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Speaker 3: It is Angela Ride, Tiffany Cross, and Andrew Gillim. We
Speaker 3: are here today to talk about something very important. Drew
Speaker 3: Barrymore had Kamala Harris on her show this week or no,
Speaker 3: it'll be last week by the time this airs, and
Speaker 3: I just want to roll the clip.
Speaker 2: Let's roll the clip.
Speaker 4: I keep thinking in my head that we all need
Speaker 4: a mom. I've been thinking that we really all need
Speaker 4: a tremendous hug in the world right now. But in
Speaker 4: our country, we need you to be Mamla of the country.
Speaker 1: I mean, no, I we need a great protector.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, you know part of it is I think
Speaker 5: that sadly, over the last many years, there's been this
Speaker 5: kind of perverse approach to what strength looks like, which
Speaker 5: is to suggest that the measure of one's strength is
Speaker 5: based on who you beat down instead of what we
Speaker 5: know the true measure of your strength is based on
Speaker 5: who you lift up.
Speaker 3: Yes, right, yes, okay, So I just want to say
Speaker 3: this was the first time did any of us have
Speaker 3: heard the clip beyond we need you to be mama
Speaker 3: of this country, and then Kamma's like, you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: like there's this very uncommon no yeah right, there's.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3: So I actually want to give her some props because
Speaker 3: how she pivoted. Of course, let me show you what
Speaker 3: strength looks like, because I'm not gonna knock you down
Speaker 3: and be like no, but I'm not gonna be the
Speaker 3: country's mammy. She did say, I am, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 3: you that I don't have to beat you down to
Speaker 3: be strong. And I do think that is the strength
Speaker 3: of a woman, and like it could be a delicate touch,
Speaker 3: but it also could be fierce.
Speaker 2: Bows come on out of your bows.
Speaker 3: And I will just say sometimes that's what a mom
Speaker 3: does too. Now I had a couple of issues with this.
Speaker 3: The first is as someone who really really wants to
Speaker 3: be a mom at forty four and knowing the journey
Speaker 3: that it takes to get there. I don't know, I've
Speaker 3: never actually talked to Kamala about this, but like, like,
Speaker 3: did you want kids and did your career prevent you
Speaker 3: from getting there? Like did you look up and the
Speaker 3: clock had like run out or you know whatever, and
Speaker 3: now as a bonus mom, she's got step kids who
Speaker 3: call her mamla, which is how this segment started. She
Speaker 3: was telling dre Yo, my stepkids call me mamala. It's
Speaker 3: a human moment, but she wasn't trying to get Drew
Speaker 3: to call her mommy.
Speaker 2: Probably right.
Speaker 3: So I just am curious to know if that's at
Speaker 3: all triggering when somebody's asking you to step into a
Speaker 3: role that you don't actually play and maybe you never
Speaker 3: had the privilege of playing. I know she loves her
Speaker 3: her great nieces, and she loves men as her niece,
Speaker 3: and she's you've definitely definitely been a mom figure and
Speaker 3: a big sister to many of us. But like, how
Speaker 3: does that feel like? I don't know how I would
Speaker 3: feel about that. I think I would have like a
Speaker 3: lump in my throat and been uncomfortable about that. And
Speaker 3: as a white, a grown ass white woman looking at
Speaker 3: me saying we need you to be the mom of
Speaker 3: this country, I feel like I would have been like, well,
Speaker 3: I wish that Jo Mama would have told y'all not
Speaker 3: to vote for Donald Trump, because then we would have
Speaker 3: been here to begin with.
Speaker 2: That's how I feel.
Speaker 3: I got a whole lot of things to say about this,
Speaker 3: but I'm be quiet because Andrew already crying, and Tiffa's
Speaker 3: looking like she want I don't think that.
Speaker 5: Let me go.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to be clear. We're not suggesting that
Speaker 1: Drew Barrymore voted for Trump. You know who she voted for.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying her friends and therem I'm talking about
Speaker 3: killing talking.
Speaker 2: About Andrew the voting block of white women.
Speaker 1: That'scus conservative, which I agree, But I think to your
Speaker 1: larger point, Angela, this like mammification of black women in
Speaker 1: the country that still persists. I mean, I remember being
Speaker 1: on cable news sets and you know years ago where
Speaker 1: people would say, oh, black women are going to save us,
Speaker 1: or you know, like we're so thank you so much
Speaker 1: like all the black women. And I always say this,
Speaker 1: black women are not trying to save you. We are
Speaker 1: not your blood sacrifice. We are saving ourselves and you
Speaker 1: benefit from it. And so I think this when we
Speaker 1: hear that. I don't think this was Drew Barrymore's intention.
Speaker 1: I think it was well intentioned and a heartfelt moment
Speaker 1: that she was trying to have with the Vice president.
Speaker 1: And I think the viewers took it as such. I
Speaker 1: think all of us black women collectively, we were probably
Speaker 1: in the audience giving each other that look where you
Speaker 1: don't have to say anything, but you have a whole
Speaker 1: conversation with just your eyes.
Speaker 2: I think that was happening.
Speaker 6: When everybody say girl, girl, girl, girl, girl, girl, girl,
Speaker 6: exact we are having a whole conversation that nobody I
Speaker 6: was about, and I felt like that.
Speaker 7: Was which girl is that?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, no, no, no, no, no so.
Speaker 1: And I do think there is a magic to our
Speaker 1: humanity as black women, you know, there is something about
Speaker 1: us that is loving. I think when we have when
Speaker 1: we create spaces for black women to come together and
Speaker 1: have those conversations, it's kind of like the young lady
Speaker 1: who like, I love when you call me baby. When
Speaker 1: a black woman calls me baby, I get that, like,
Speaker 1: I get that understanding. We do have that kind of
Speaker 1: love to give. It is not in a self sacrificial way.
Speaker 1: And sitting across a woman who is multiple degreed, you know,
Speaker 1: graduated from Howard, a law school graduate and is the
Speaker 1: first Black woman to ascend to this level, does not
Speaker 1: have biological children, and the expectation that she should be
Speaker 1: yo Mama in that moment. Even though it was well intentioned,
Speaker 1: it is it is not well received.
Speaker 7: So and how we stop it?
Speaker 2: Stop it.
Speaker 3: All right, shall We're going to take a quick break,
Speaker 3: but after that, more on MAMAA.
Speaker 7: I think Drew was identifying more over a need for
Speaker 7: the country rather than a desire for Kamala, because she's
Speaker 7: so ripe with affection and mommy energy that she should
Speaker 7: play that role. I think I think the need. I
Speaker 7: think we've looked at it so far one way, and
Speaker 7: I would just challenge us to look at it another way,
Speaker 7: which is to say, there's a lot of pain right
Speaker 7: now in the country. There's a lot of division right
Speaker 7: now in the country. There's a lot of uncertainty right
Speaker 7: now in the country. There's death. There's just the a
Speaker 7: discomfort that sits at our core for everybody. And what
Speaker 7: we need is someone who could put us at ease,
Speaker 7: who could make it, help make us feel okay. You know,
Speaker 7: Reagan was often, you know, referred to as the grandfather.
Speaker 7: You know, then you know he sort of gives these
Speaker 7: grandfather energies. Now I hate that because it totally papers over,
Speaker 7: you know, the the hateful agenda that that he pushed
Speaker 7: but but, but but sometimes people the country has a
Speaker 7: need and I and I don't think she's wrong in
Speaker 7: diagnosing that there is for a good portion of the
Speaker 7: country a need to feel safe, secure and held. And
Speaker 7: and so she didn't have Joe Biden there. She probably
Speaker 7: if if he would have been there, she said, you know,
Speaker 7: we need a we need our grandpa Joe to show up.
Speaker 2: And people don't have that.
Speaker 7: They do and and I've seen and by the way,
Speaker 7: it kind of fits. He has a very emotive way
Speaker 7: with people when he's one on one with folks right
Speaker 7: as you know you you they call him a sympathizer
Speaker 7: in chief. He doesn't have to make it up, right,
Speaker 7: there's something intuitive about it. I didn't get that. It
Speaker 7: was like, oh, you're Kamala Harris. You're a woman, be
Speaker 7: mamager you know to us, because because I actually in
Speaker 7: all my interactions with I've never sort of gotten that energy.
Speaker 7: I've always experienced her as a very uh, sort of
Speaker 7: about the business, you know, kind of person, and I
Speaker 7: wouldn't read her as the overwhelmingly affectionate type. I just
Speaker 7: think what was being identified here was the need. Was
Speaker 7: Drew identifying good a need that the country has right now,
Speaker 7: I think.
Speaker 3: But the only thing is, like, let me ask you
Speaker 3: all this. Do you think that if Michelle Obama were
Speaker 3: sitting there and she said that that we would feel differently.
Speaker 1: Well, Michelle Obama wasn't an elected official. She was the
Speaker 1: first lady, so I think that is a different thing.
Speaker 1: And then Michelle Obama quite frankly, was disrespected when she
Speaker 1: was referred to as President Obama's baby mama. And sometimes
Speaker 1: people don't like it when we you know, some people
Speaker 1: may say Kamala, I just want to point out that
Speaker 1: you know, we we know her.
Speaker 2: I still say vice President Harris, but I'm working on it.
Speaker 1: But but but we do know her personally before she
Speaker 1: was vice president, so you know, we may mix it up.
Speaker 1: But some people do have this no, but we all
Speaker 1: we all have a relation, so it's a little different
Speaker 1: when we do it. But there's no disrespect intended. I
Speaker 1: think there is this presumed familiarity with black women because
Speaker 1: we had have We are ambidextrous that way, like we
Speaker 1: can go in and be the multi degree like about
Speaker 1: business person but also extremely loving, kind, soft people who
Speaker 1: are open to loving you. We decide when we want
Speaker 1: to show up that way. We don't like other people
Speaker 1: putting that expectation on us. So yes, I think people
Speaker 1: would have still been offended had she said that to
Speaker 1: first Lady Michelle Obama. And I think even among our
Speaker 1: community sometimes there's this this this desire to link these two,
Speaker 1: you know, like first it was Michelle Obama, then we
Speaker 1: have Vice President Harris, and you have to remind people, well,
Speaker 1: Michelle Obama.
Speaker 2: Literally was the first lady.
Speaker 1: Vice President Harris is the vice President of the United States,
Speaker 1: And these are very different roles exactly.
Speaker 7: And I should, I frankly wish somebody would have referred
Speaker 7: to Michelle and in that way missus Obama a first
Speaker 7: Sadi Obama, because they never tried to humanize her, you know,
Speaker 7: the other side, never tried to make her appear as
Speaker 7: a human. She was a evil, you know, evil first
Speaker 7: time they tried to make her appear as something other
Speaker 7: than human.
Speaker 3: But I brought up the point, Andrew, sorry, but I
Speaker 3: just just to fine point, fine point that she was
Speaker 3: planting gardens with local elementary students in reced She constantly
Speaker 3: referenced her kids and Sasha and Malia and making sure that.
Speaker 2: They remember their human.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not even qualifying like how she mommed. I'm just
Speaker 3: saying she was actually a mom, you know, and and
Speaker 3: and tried to bring mother mothering, tender, compassionate, empathetic energy
Speaker 3: to what was happening in the country. To tips point,
Speaker 3: she was not elected, but she was the first black
Speaker 3: woman to ascend to that role too. And I think
Speaker 3: for that reason some people do draw these parallels that
Speaker 3: may not be fair to our MVP because she has.
Speaker 2: A completely different job description.
Speaker 3: So I wonder if Drew would have said the same
Speaker 3: thing to Joe Biden. You know, this whole idea about
Speaker 3: a mammy is something that has it's a it's a
Speaker 3: trope that has followed us since slavery. And we had
Speaker 3: to nurse your kids and make sure your kids were
Speaker 3: good and that they were taken care of and they
Speaker 3: were well.
Speaker 1: You sold our children and beat our children and murdered
Speaker 1: our children and raped our children.
Speaker 2: Separate us from our families.
Speaker 3: But we got a mammy and mommy.
Speaker 2: We had to deepen our humanity and and and then.
Speaker 3: Still So I'm not I'm not saying Drew knows this.
Speaker 3: I just want her to be aware of the history,
Speaker 3: the historic trauma associated with the sentiment.
Speaker 7: It could also be operating in her self conscious right
Speaker 7: that that as you interact with black, there's this thing
Speaker 7: like the woman she was like, this's this this thing
Speaker 7: that comes over me when I hear you say d
Speaker 7: d d da da da. I believe with every fiber
Speaker 7: of my being the woman was being sincerely and know
Speaker 7: that it was and didn't know that it was loaded
Speaker 7: with all the other stuff. But so so there's no
Speaker 7: doubt that there's something operating in the subconscious that gives
Speaker 7: folks that. But you know, in truth, Kamala, if she
Speaker 7: the vice president Harrison, she didn't, you know, like you
Speaker 7: could have been like, who is that? Gael King and Oprah,
Speaker 7: don't untie me, my pet Peeves, I'm not your auntie. Yeah,
Speaker 7: you know, you know they they they drew the line.
Speaker 7: Don't do it to me. I don't find it respectful.
Speaker 7: And I'm not your your auntie, Oprah, And I'm not
Speaker 7: Auntie Yale. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just feel like that's our kids. I think that's
Speaker 2: our kids.
Speaker 7: Yeah. No, I think they were talking to us. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I think they were talking.
Speaker 2: A definitely different issue.
Speaker 1: But when in our community, I think it's something different
Speaker 1: versus someone outside our community having that familiarity, it can
Speaker 1: be unintentionally misplaced.
Speaker 2: I'll say that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like, in addition to you running the full portfolio on
Speaker 3: the border and immigration and voting rights and reproductive justice.
Speaker 2: Can you please just be her mom? I ain't got
Speaker 2: no more time left.
Speaker 3: For y'all kidsactly, badass kids won't follow the rules, all right.
Speaker 7: I think we're I think it's multi dimensional. I think
Speaker 7: y'all are right to call it out. I just put
Speaker 7: the emphasis on the need of the country, and she
Speaker 7: rightly found. Hey, you're the vice president. You're in a
Speaker 7: position to do this. Can you do it?
Speaker 3: Okay, Papa Andrew, Andrew wants to be the dad of
Speaker 3: the country.
Speaker 7: I don't.
Speaker 2: Oh, oh, okay. Well, on that note, Welcome home, y'all,
Speaker 2: wee out.
Speaker 7: I want to be the dad to my three kids.
Speaker 2: Welcome home everybody.
Speaker 3: Welcome home, y'all, to everybody but everyone who want to
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