WEBVTT - Veep v. “Mamala” | MiniPod

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<v Speaker 1>Recent Choice Media. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome home. Everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>It is Angela Ride, Tiffany Cross, and Andrew Gillim. We

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<v Speaker 3>are here today to talk about something very important. Drew

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<v Speaker 3>Barrymore had Kamala Harris on her show this week or no,

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<v Speaker 3>it'll be last week by the time this airs, and

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to roll the clip.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's roll the clip.

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<v Speaker 4>I keep thinking in my head that we all need

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<v Speaker 4>a mom. I've been thinking that we really all need

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<v Speaker 4>a tremendous hug in the world right now. But in

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<v Speaker 4>our country, we need you to be Mamla of the country.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, no, I we need a great protector.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Well, you know part of it is I think

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<v Speaker 5>that sadly, over the last many years, there's been this

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<v Speaker 5>kind of perverse approach to what strength looks like, which

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<v Speaker 5>is to suggest that the measure of one's strength is

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<v Speaker 5>based on who you beat down instead of what we

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<v Speaker 5>know the true measure of your strength is based on

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<v Speaker 5>who you lift up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, right, yes, okay, So I just want to say

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<v Speaker 3>this was the first time did any of us have

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<v Speaker 3>heard the clip beyond we need you to be mama

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<v Speaker 3>of this country, and then Kamma's like, you know, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like there's this very uncommon no yeah right, there's.

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<v Speaker 2>No no, no, no, no no.

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<v Speaker 3>So I actually want to give her some props because

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<v Speaker 3>how she pivoted. Of course, let me show you what

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<v Speaker 3>strength looks like, because I'm not gonna knock you down

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<v Speaker 3>and be like no, but I'm not gonna be the

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<v Speaker 3>country's mammy. She did say, I am, I'm gonna tell

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<v Speaker 3>you that I don't have to beat you down to

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<v Speaker 3>be strong. And I do think that is the strength

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<v Speaker 3>of a woman, and like it could be a delicate touch,

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<v Speaker 3>but it also could be fierce.

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<v Speaker 2>Bows come on out of your bows.

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<v Speaker 3>And I will just say sometimes that's what a mom

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<v Speaker 3>does too. Now I had a couple of issues with this.

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<v Speaker 3>The first is as someone who really really wants to

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<v Speaker 3>be a mom at forty four and knowing the journey

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<v Speaker 3>that it takes to get there. I don't know, I've

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<v Speaker 3>never actually talked to Kamala about this, but like, like,

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<v Speaker 3>did you want kids and did your career prevent you

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<v Speaker 3>from getting there? Like did you look up and the

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<v Speaker 3>clock had like run out or you know whatever, and

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<v Speaker 3>now as a bonus mom, she's got step kids who

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<v Speaker 3>call her mamla, which is how this segment started. She

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<v Speaker 3>was telling dre Yo, my stepkids call me mamala. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a human moment, but she wasn't trying to get Drew

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<v Speaker 3>to call her mommy.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably right.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just am curious to know if that's at

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<v Speaker 3>all triggering when somebody's asking you to step into a

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<v Speaker 3>role that you don't actually play and maybe you never

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<v Speaker 3>had the privilege of playing. I know she loves her

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<v Speaker 3>her great nieces, and she loves men as her niece,

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<v Speaker 3>and she's you've definitely definitely been a mom figure and

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<v Speaker 3>a big sister to many of us. But like, how

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<v Speaker 3>does that feel like? I don't know how I would

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<v Speaker 3>feel about that. I think I would have like a

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<v Speaker 3>lump in my throat and been uncomfortable about that. And

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<v Speaker 3>as a white, a grown ass white woman looking at

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<v Speaker 3>me saying we need you to be the mom of

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<v Speaker 3>this country, I feel like I would have been like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I wish that Jo Mama would have told y'all not

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<v Speaker 3>to vote for Donald Trump, because then we would have

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<v Speaker 3>been here to begin with.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how I feel.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a whole lot of things to say about this,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm be quiet because Andrew already crying, and Tiffa's

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<v Speaker 3>looking like she want I don't think that.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me go.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I want to be clear. We're not suggesting that

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<v Speaker 1>Drew Barrymore voted for Trump. You know who she voted for.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm saying her friends and therem I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 3>killing talking.

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<v Speaker 2>About Andrew the voting block of white women.

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<v Speaker 1>That'scus conservative, which I agree, But I think to your

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<v Speaker 1>larger point, Angela, this like mammification of black women in

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<v Speaker 1>the country that still persists. I mean, I remember being

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<v Speaker 1>on cable news sets and you know years ago where

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<v Speaker 1>people would say, oh, black women are going to save us,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, like we're so thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>like all the black women. And I always say this,

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<v Speaker 1>black women are not trying to save you. We are

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<v Speaker 1>not your blood sacrifice. We are saving ourselves and you

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<v Speaker 1>benefit from it. And so I think this when we

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<v Speaker 1>hear that. I don't think this was Drew Barrymore's intention.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was well intentioned and a heartfelt moment

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<v Speaker 1>that she was trying to have with the Vice president.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the viewers took it as such. I

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<v Speaker 1>think all of us black women collectively, we were probably

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<v Speaker 1>in the audience giving each other that look where you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to say anything, but you have a whole

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with just your eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was happening.

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<v Speaker 6>When everybody say girl, girl, girl, girl, girl, girl, girl,

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<v Speaker 6>exact we are having a whole conversation that nobody I

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<v Speaker 6>was about, and I felt like that.

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<v Speaker 7>Was which girl is that?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No, no, no, no, no, no, no so.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do think there is a magic to our

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<v Speaker 1>humanity as black women, you know, there is something about

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<v Speaker 1>us that is loving. I think when we have when

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<v Speaker 1>we create spaces for black women to come together and

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<v Speaker 1>have those conversations, it's kind of like the young lady

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<v Speaker 1>who like, I love when you call me baby. When

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<v Speaker 1>a black woman calls me baby, I get that, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I get that understanding. We do have that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>love to give. It is not in a self sacrificial way.

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<v Speaker 1>And sitting across a woman who is multiple degreed, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>graduated from Howard, a law school graduate and is the

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<v Speaker 1>first Black woman to ascend to this level, does not

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<v Speaker 1>have biological children, and the expectation that she should be

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<v Speaker 1>yo Mama in that moment. Even though it was well intentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>it is it is not well received.

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<v Speaker 7>So and how we stop it?

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<v Speaker 2>Stop it.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, shall We're going to take a quick break,

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<v Speaker 3>but after that, more on MAMAA.

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<v Speaker 7>I think Drew was identifying more over a need for

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<v Speaker 7>the country rather than a desire for Kamala, because she's

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<v Speaker 7>so ripe with affection and mommy energy that she should

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<v Speaker 7>play that role. I think I think the need. I

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<v Speaker 7>think we've looked at it so far one way, and

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<v Speaker 7>I would just challenge us to look at it another way,

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<v Speaker 7>which is to say, there's a lot of pain right

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<v Speaker 7>now in the country. There's a lot of division right

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<v Speaker 7>now in the country. There's a lot of uncertainty right

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<v Speaker 7>now in the country. There's death. There's just the a

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<v Speaker 7>discomfort that sits at our core for everybody. And what

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<v Speaker 7>we need is someone who could put us at ease,

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<v Speaker 7>who could make it, help make us feel okay. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>Reagan was often, you know, referred to as the grandfather.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, then you know he sort of gives these

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<v Speaker 7>grandfather energies. Now I hate that because it totally papers over,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, the the hateful agenda that that he pushed

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<v Speaker 7>but but, but but sometimes people the country has a

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<v Speaker 7>need and I and I don't think she's wrong in

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<v Speaker 7>diagnosing that there is for a good portion of the

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<v Speaker 7>country a need to feel safe, secure and held. And

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<v Speaker 7>and so she didn't have Joe Biden there. She probably

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<v Speaker 7>if if he would have been there, she said, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>we need a we need our grandpa Joe to show up.

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<v Speaker 2>And people don't have that.

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<v Speaker 7>They do and and I've seen and by the way,

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<v Speaker 7>it kind of fits. He has a very emotive way

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<v Speaker 7>with people when he's one on one with folks right

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<v Speaker 7>as you know you you they call him a sympathizer

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<v Speaker 7>in chief. He doesn't have to make it up, right,

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<v Speaker 7>there's something intuitive about it. I didn't get that. It

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<v Speaker 7>was like, oh, you're Kamala Harris. You're a woman, be

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<v Speaker 7>mamager you know to us, because because I actually in

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<v Speaker 7>all my interactions with I've never sort of gotten that energy.

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<v Speaker 7>I've always experienced her as a very uh, sort of

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<v Speaker 7>about the business, you know, kind of person, and I

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<v Speaker 7>wouldn't read her as the overwhelmingly affectionate type. I just

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<v Speaker 7>think what was being identified here was the need. Was

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<v Speaker 7>Drew identifying good a need that the country has right now,

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<v Speaker 7>I think.

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<v Speaker 3>But the only thing is, like, let me ask you

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<v Speaker 3>all this. Do you think that if Michelle Obama were

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<v Speaker 3>sitting there and she said that that we would feel differently.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Michelle Obama wasn't an elected official. She was the

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<v Speaker 1>first lady, so I think that is a different thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Michelle Obama quite frankly, was disrespected when she

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<v Speaker 1>was referred to as President Obama's baby mama. And sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>people don't like it when we you know, some people

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<v Speaker 1>may say Kamala, I just want to point out that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we we know her.

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<v Speaker 2>I still say vice President Harris, but I'm working on it.

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<v Speaker 1>But but but we do know her personally before she

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<v Speaker 1>was vice president, so you know, we may mix it up.

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<v Speaker 1>But some people do have this no, but we all

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<v Speaker 1>we all have a relation, so it's a little different

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<v Speaker 1>when we do it. But there's no disrespect intended. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there is this presumed familiarity with black women because

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<v Speaker 1>we had have We are ambidextrous that way, like we

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<v Speaker 1>can go in and be the multi degree like about

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<v Speaker 1>business person but also extremely loving, kind, soft people who

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<v Speaker 1>are open to loving you. We decide when we want

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<v Speaker 1>to show up that way. We don't like other people

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<v Speaker 1>putting that expectation on us. So yes, I think people

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<v Speaker 1>would have still been offended had she said that to

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<v Speaker 1>first Lady Michelle Obama. And I think even among our

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<v Speaker 1>community sometimes there's this this this desire to link these two,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like first it was Michelle Obama, then we

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<v Speaker 1>have Vice President Harris, and you have to remind people, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle Obama.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally was the first lady.

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<v Speaker 1>Vice President Harris is the vice President of the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>And these are very different roles exactly.

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<v Speaker 7>And I should, I frankly wish somebody would have referred

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<v Speaker 7>to Michelle and in that way missus Obama a first

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<v Speaker 7>Sadi Obama, because they never tried to humanize her, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>the other side, never tried to make her appear as

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<v Speaker 7>a human. She was a evil, you know, evil first

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<v Speaker 7>time they tried to make her appear as something other

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<v Speaker 7>than human.

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<v Speaker 3>But I brought up the point, Andrew, sorry, but I

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<v Speaker 3>just just to fine point, fine point that she was

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<v Speaker 3>planting gardens with local elementary students in reced She constantly

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<v Speaker 3>referenced her kids and Sasha and Malia and making sure that.

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<v Speaker 2>They remember their human.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not even qualifying like how she mommed. I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>saying she was actually a mom, you know, and and

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<v Speaker 3>and tried to bring mother mothering, tender, compassionate, empathetic energy

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<v Speaker 3>to what was happening in the country. To tips point,

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<v Speaker 3>she was not elected, but she was the first black

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<v Speaker 3>woman to ascend to that role too. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>for that reason some people do draw these parallels that

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<v Speaker 3>may not be fair to our MVP because she has.

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<v Speaker 2>A completely different job description.

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<v Speaker 3>So I wonder if Drew would have said the same

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<v Speaker 3>thing to Joe Biden. You know, this whole idea about

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<v Speaker 3>a mammy is something that has it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 3>trope that has followed us since slavery. And we had

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<v Speaker 3>to nurse your kids and make sure your kids were

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<v Speaker 3>good and that they were taken care of and they

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<v Speaker 3>were well.

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<v Speaker 1>You sold our children and beat our children and murdered

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<v Speaker 1>our children and raped our children.

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<v Speaker 2>Separate us from our families.

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<v Speaker 3>But we got a mammy and mommy.

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<v Speaker 2>We had to deepen our humanity and and and then.

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<v Speaker 3>Still So I'm not I'm not saying Drew knows this.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want her to be aware of the history,

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<v Speaker 3>the historic trauma associated with the sentiment.

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<v Speaker 7>It could also be operating in her self conscious right

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<v Speaker 7>that that as you interact with black, there's this thing

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<v Speaker 7>like the woman she was like, this's this this thing

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<v Speaker 7>that comes over me when I hear you say d

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<v Speaker 7>d d da da da. I believe with every fiber

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<v Speaker 7>of my being the woman was being sincerely and know

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<v Speaker 7>that it was and didn't know that it was loaded

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<v Speaker 7>with all the other stuff. But so so there's no

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<v Speaker 7>doubt that there's something operating in the subconscious that gives

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<v Speaker 7>folks that. But you know, in truth, Kamala, if she

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<v Speaker 7>the vice president Harrison, she didn't, you know, like you

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<v Speaker 7>could have been like, who is that? Gael King and Oprah,

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<v Speaker 7>don't untie me, my pet Peeves, I'm not your auntie. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, you know they they they drew the line.

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<v Speaker 7>Don't do it to me. I don't find it respectful.

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<v Speaker 7>And I'm not your your auntie, Oprah, And I'm not

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<v Speaker 7>Auntie Yale. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I just feel like that's our kids. I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>our kids.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah. No, I think they were talking to us. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>I think they were talking.

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<v Speaker 2>A definitely different issue.

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<v Speaker 1>But when in our community, I think it's something different

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<v Speaker 1>versus someone outside our community having that familiarity, it can

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<v Speaker 1>be unintentionally misplaced.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, in addition to you running the full portfolio on

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<v Speaker 3>the border and immigration and voting rights and reproductive justice.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you please just be her mom? I ain't got

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<v Speaker 2>no more time left.

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<v Speaker 3>For y'all kidsactly, badass kids won't follow the rules, all right.

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<v Speaker 7>I think we're I think it's multi dimensional. I think

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<v Speaker 7>y'all are right to call it out. I just put

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<v Speaker 7>the emphasis on the need of the country, and she

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<v Speaker 7>rightly found. Hey, you're the vice president. You're in a

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<v Speaker 7>position to do this. Can you do it?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Papa Andrew, Andrew wants to be the dad of

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<v Speaker 3>the country.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, oh, okay. Well, on that note, Welcome home, y'all,

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<v Speaker 2>wee out.

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<v Speaker 7>I want to be the dad to my three kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome home everybody.

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