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Speaker 1: First question, Hi, Jason, love your analysis that's helped me

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Speaker 1: Again Jimmy. Jimmy has two high level traits that make him,

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Speaker 1: solid player who did not make mistakes and allowed a

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Speaker 1: team to hang onto the rope longer than his peers.

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Speaker 1: And guess what the Celtics they decomposed and made mistakes.

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Speaker 1: Their young players fell apart and made mistakes. Remember when

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Speaker 1: Tatum and Brown like straight up couldn't get the ball

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Speaker 1: across half court without turning the ball over numerous stretches

436
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Speaker 1: during that playoff run, that, especially in years surrounding that

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Speaker 1: with like the Miami Heat when they would pick him

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Speaker 1: up full court. Like these young Celtics were mistake prone.

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Speaker 1: They didn't reach their ceiling in that finals. It's not

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Speaker 1: like the Warriors reached some crazy high level. They hung

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Speaker 1: onto the rope and played disciplined, mistake free basketball. That

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Speaker 1: is why I leaned towards Vets in big spots. They

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Speaker 1: tend to be less prone to the mistakes that can

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Speaker 1: cost you basketball games. And yes, I do believe that

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two Currier really that whole phase from the

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Speaker 1: end of the twenty twenty one regular season to the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two finals to be the best version of

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry that I ever watched. All Right, we have

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Speaker 1: three more. There's just no way that any of these

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Speaker 1: guys should be ahead of Cad and whatever criteria you

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Speaker 1: use last season stats looking ahead, Kate is a number

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Speaker 1: one option on the playoff team at twenty three years

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Speaker 1: old averaging twenty six and nine. You always say you

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Speaker 1: gravitate towards an offensive engine type of player and then

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Speaker 1: put three people who are second options slash non offensive engines.

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Speaker 1: Even if you want to say Book is a first option,

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Speaker 1: which he never did. What Caid did as a first

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Speaker 1: option as an offensive engine. In my opinion, book was

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Speaker 1: not the offensive engine in twenty twenty one. Either way,

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Speaker 1: you put too much into playoff performance slash experience, or

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Speaker 1: you're penalizing too much for being young. Essentially, what I'm

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Speaker 1: saying is Kate is being a number one option on

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Speaker 1: the playoff team with stats at his age only seen

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Speaker 1: since since seen since Oscar Robertson, seen only since Oscar Robertson.

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Speaker 1: That should automatically disqualify most number two options from being

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Speaker 1: ahead of him. Unrelated, these lists get way too cloudy

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Speaker 1: when you do past season plus looking ahead. In my opinion,

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Speaker 1: the list only based on the previous season are better. Nevertheless,

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Speaker 1: love the show. Kaid's just my guy. Lol. I get it,

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Speaker 1: you're defending your players, fan. I totally understand that. I

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Speaker 1: am a big believer in my criteria, but look, there's

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Speaker 1: a million ways to do this, and I don't blame

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Speaker 1: you for disagreeing, and it kind of just you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the things with looking backwards is it doesn't

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Speaker 1: take into account surrounding circumstances, and that can be tough,

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Speaker 1: and like, I really try to look at this more

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Speaker 1: in a vacuum as best as I can. But again,

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Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in kid. But it kind of

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Speaker 1: comes down to what I was just talking about. Cad

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Speaker 1: was mistake prone. The Pistons lost a lot of games

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Speaker 1: at the end. Cad in the clutch in this postseason

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Speaker 1: run four for twelve with three turnovers overall and fourth

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Speaker 1: quarters kde twelve for thirty two with fifteen assists and

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Speaker 1: ten turnovers. Counteracting those fifteen assists, he was mistake prone

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Speaker 1: at the end of those games, and it stopped the

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Speaker 1: Pistons from winning a lot of games that they should

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Speaker 1: have won against the Knicks team that was pretty underwhelming

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Speaker 1: all year outside of a small handful of those games.

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Speaker 1: So again, for guy like Kate, he just has to

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Speaker 1: learn to cut out the mistakes. If he does, he'll

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Speaker 1: benefit more from his upside. Next question, can you give

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Speaker 1: me a single reason why my friend might have any

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Speaker 1: argument that Dame's full body of talent should be ranked

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Speaker 1: higher than Steph's. Is there any semblance of an argument

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Speaker 1: that Steph would have had largely the same career that

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Speaker 1: Dame did if you were to been the one in

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Speaker 1: Portland in place of Day. This is one of the

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Speaker 1: biggest things that I fundamentally disagree with is this this

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Speaker 1: take that Dame is kind of in the same group

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Speaker 1: as a guy like Steph. I actually do think that

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Speaker 1: Dame is in the same territory as Steph as an

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Speaker 1: on ballplayer. Only as an on ballplayer, Dame was a

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Speaker 1: ridiculous off the dribble, pull up three point shooter who

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Speaker 1: brought real downhill burst and who was a very good

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Speaker 1: passer out of those high ball screens. But there were

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Speaker 1: two things that Steph did that completely separated him from Dame,

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Speaker 1: like just completely put him in an entirely different tier,

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Speaker 1: meaning like I have Steph as one of the ten

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Speaker 1: best basketball players ever and Dame's not even close to that.

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Speaker 1: When you start to evaluate a guy, and it's a

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Speaker 1: reason why if you would have switched them, I would

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Speaker 1: actually have viewed the Portland Trailblazers probably as a team

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Speaker 1: that would have accomplished more than the Golden State Warriors.

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Speaker 1: The simple reason why those two things. One the commitment

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Speaker 1: to defense. Steph was bigger and stronger than Dame, a

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Speaker 1: few inches taller, a lot more in terms of the

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Speaker 1: amount of muscle that he brought to the table. And

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Speaker 1: Steph committed to becoming a useful defender. Steph did the job.

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Speaker 1: He was never great, he was always the target, but

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Speaker 1: he always did the job within the scheme and competed

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Speaker 1: well enough that he could still have an elite defense

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Speaker 1: with him on the floor. That was something that Dame

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Speaker 1: was never able to accomplish. Dame just didn't quite have

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Speaker 1: the same physical tools and he never put in the

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Speaker 1: requisite amount of work. Dame was literally one of the

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Speaker 1: worst defensive guards I watched in this era. And then

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Speaker 1: the second piece of it, and this is something that

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Speaker 1: Dame just left meat on the bone because has nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with physical tools, so to speak. Steph embraced

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Speaker 1: off ball movement. Steph is one of the best offensive

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Speaker 1: engines in the NBA. It's a big reason why he

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Speaker 1: ranks so high on the list this year, and one

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Speaker 1: of the main reasons why is because when he just

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Speaker 1: runs around in circles with his off ball movement, he

535
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: attracts so much attention that it generates the advantages, the

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Speaker 1: advantages that grease the wheels for any NBA offense. Steph

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Speaker 1: running off a screen, two guys run with him, they

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00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: leave a guy open. It generates advantages of Steph comes

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00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: up a high ball screen, he passes it over top

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00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: to the guy rolling in the four and three. It

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Speaker 1: generates advantages. Steph has an offensive engine element to him

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Speaker 1: that a guy like Damian Lillard never had. Those two

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Speaker 1: things completely separated Steph from Dame, even though Dame was

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Speaker 1: close in terms of an on ball talent to what

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry did. And then last question, I'm surprised that

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Speaker 1: you didn't even consider chet Holmgren as a top twenty

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Speaker 1: five player for next season. He was arguably the Thunder's

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Speaker 1: best player before he got injured last year. Yes, his

549
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: offense is infuriating to watch some times, but he didn't

550
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: get a lot of time to gel with the team

551
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Speaker 1: once he came back. I think that'll improve dramatically next

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Speaker 1: season when he plays a full season and has more

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Speaker 1: reps playing with Shay and Jada. He's also a top

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Speaker 1: two rim protector in one of the best defenders in

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Speaker 1: the league in my opinion. Hard to see how he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have top twenty five level impact. So the thing

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Speaker 1: with Chet is, I don't think he really brings other

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00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: than vertical spacing. I don't think he brings really any

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Speaker 1: reliable offensive trade at this point, I don't view him

560
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Speaker 1: as a high level passer. He had more turnovers than

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Speaker 1: assists in this postseason run. I think that he struggles

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Speaker 1: as a post defender. He's a little too thin. He

563
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: can get pushed around. I think on the offensive end

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00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: of the floor, he can get pushed around a little

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Speaker 1: bit on the glass. Excuse me, on the defense end

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Speaker 1: the floor, he can get push around a little bit

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Speaker 1: on the glass. On the offense end of the floor,

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Speaker 1: he can't knock down spot up jump shots. He's not

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Speaker 1: a good decision maker driving closeouts. It's really just like,

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Speaker 1: can he catch and finish wide open dunks around the basket? Yes,

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Speaker 1: he can, But everything else he's a little bit inefficient

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Speaker 1: and a little bit too pro to mistakes. When you

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Speaker 1: look at the guys that are above him on this list,

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Speaker 1: they bring like real offensive utility. Bam, as frustrating as

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00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: a player as he can be, he brings real offensive utility.

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Speaker 1: And I just think BAM's a flat out better defensive

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Speaker 1: player than Chet Holmgren. You look at a guy like

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Speaker 1: Evan Mobley, I think Chet's a better defender than Evan Mobley.

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Speaker 1: But Evan Mobley is a substantially better offensive player right

580
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: now than Chet Holmgren is. He's a reliable catch and

581
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: shoot guy and a guy who can run some action.

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Speaker 1: To me, Chet will absolutely be very high on this

583
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: list one day. I believe in him as an offensive talent.

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Speaker 1: I think he'll figure all of this stuff out, But

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Speaker 1: in this particular phase of his career, he's just way

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00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: too limited offensively and has a couple of big weaknesses

587
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Speaker 1: on defense that I think prevent him from getting higher

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Speaker 1: on this list. All right, guys, this is all I

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Speaker 1: have for today is always sincerely appreciate you guys for

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Speaker 1: supporting me and supporting the show. We will be back

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Speaker 1: on Monday with our top ten. I will see you

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Speaker 1: guys now. Yeah,