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Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff you missed in History class A production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V.

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Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Molly Fry. Why is that funny? UM,

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Speaker 1: it sounded like you were like on ramping hello and

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Speaker 1: welcome to them. Then you got you. That's great. I

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Speaker 1: feel like we're just incredibly punchy at this point in

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Speaker 1: our lives and the pandemic recording recording podcasts. We recorded

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Speaker 1: our Unearthed episodes for January February in March of twenty one.

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Speaker 1: I was pleased to find that there was enough interesting

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Speaker 1: stuff to have two parts, and as is always a case,

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Speaker 1: I also had other stuff that um I did not

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Speaker 1: include for one reason or another along the way. UM,

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Speaker 1: they had something in the first part that you particularly

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Speaker 1: responded to that you said we were going to say

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Speaker 1: for the behind the scenes. I think I have said

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Speaker 1: this before when we've talked about similar things happening on

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Speaker 1: on Earth. But in my head, because there are so

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Speaker 1: many instances of those Sulawesi wardy pigs that show up,

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Speaker 1: uh in very very very ancient art, I just presumed

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Speaker 1: that was like a trend like people had, like you know,

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Speaker 1: kitchen pigs, and it's just that like we through the

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Speaker 1: lens of history and trying to interpret it or like,

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Speaker 1: is this is important to their culture and we're going

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Speaker 1: to find out it was like the kitch of their era. Yeah. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they're definitely a lot of pigs in that general area. UM.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me a little what you just said. It

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Speaker 1: reminds me of some of the discussion of um, the

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Speaker 1: cave art, that is, people making handprints by you know,

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Speaker 1: putting the paint around their hands, so their handprint is

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Speaker 1: like the negative space, and how in some places that

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Speaker 1: is there's just a lot of that and it's sort

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Speaker 1: of similar of like what what specifically was prompting folks

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Speaker 1: to want to do this with their art? Over and over?

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Speaker 1: Was this an ancient preschool Yet I was really tickled.

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Speaker 1: I was simultaneously chagrined but also tickled by this. Um

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Speaker 1: this horse step that turned out to be an artifact. UM.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously ideally it would not. It would have

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Speaker 1: been better had there just not been this trend of

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Speaker 1: people taking artifacts back with them when they went on

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Speaker 1: their grand tours of the continent. That's not ideal. But

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Speaker 1: also there are so many times when I see something

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Speaker 1: around my house and I'm like, has that always been

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Speaker 1: that way? That? You know? I'm kind of glad that

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Speaker 1: some person stepped on this horse block for a decade

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Speaker 1: before being like, there's a laurel wreath on here, I've

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Speaker 1: never noticed that before. There's also part of me I've

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Speaker 1: see I don't love that it was probably taken from

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Speaker 1: where it originally came from, almost certainly without permission, But

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Speaker 1: there is part of me that loves just the the

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Speaker 1: interconnectivity of it that's evidenced across time and place right that, like,

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Speaker 1: there could be a thing in your life today that

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Speaker 1: you prize, and in two hundred years somebody could be

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Speaker 1: using it to like do something very mundane, and I

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Speaker 1: kind of love that idea that it would just be

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Speaker 1: reappropriated as a different I don't mean that in the

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Speaker 1: sense of like taking things, but just like re envisioned

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Speaker 1: as having a completely different use than it originally had,

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Speaker 1: and that being important in its own way. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that's I probably have an overly romantic view of

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Speaker 1: things in that regard. Yeah, I have a an antique

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Speaker 1: loom shuttle sitting on my desk as like a decoration

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Speaker 1: in a podcasting corner here in my little home office.

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Speaker 1: Uh and it Uh. I had not really thought about

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Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, somebody was using that loom,

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Speaker 1: that shuttle to make their living on a loom and

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Speaker 1: now it's a decoration in my home office with a computer. Yes, um,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think about that all the time with

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Speaker 1: various objects, both the objects that I have now that

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Speaker 1: are contemporary and what they will be perceived as one day.

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Speaker 1: You know, I always joke that, like there's going to

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Speaker 1: be a civilization one day that unearths my house and

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Speaker 1: comes to believe that, like there was a religion based

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Speaker 1: around a strange green alien creature because I have so

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Speaker 1: much grito stuff in my house, and like just the

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Speaker 1: way that it will be misinterpreted one day. It's like

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Speaker 1: this was clearly culturally very important. It's culturally very important.

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Speaker 1: It certainly is to me. But you know there are

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Speaker 1: things like that that I always wonder what we're getting

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Speaker 1: wrong when we look at these things, and and it

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Speaker 1: reaches back to the suluaisi pig thing, right, like what

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Speaker 1: we're interpreting incorrectly that might be mundane or like I said,

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Speaker 1: like kitch. While it's often associated with the modern era,

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Speaker 1: like everyone has as human beings, and I think even

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Speaker 1: many animals have this capacity for just like delight in

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Speaker 1: the simple or absurd or ornamental, And so I feel

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Speaker 1: like we forget that sometimes and presume everything has meaning

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Speaker 1: when really maybe they really all did have kitchen pigs

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Speaker 1: and it was just a funny thing that they all Yeah,

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Speaker 1: which is not too in any way downplay the importance

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Speaker 1: of interpretation and analysis, but I always wonder, like, are

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Speaker 1: you thinking about the fact that these were just people

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Speaker 1: living day to day and trying to figure their lives

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Speaker 1: out and get their needs met and maybe it's just

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Speaker 1: something funny to them. Yeah. I think it was the

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Speaker 1: most recent unearthed before this one that we talked about, uh,

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Speaker 1: interpreting grave goods and how, um, you know, even if

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Speaker 1: you're trying to be really objective, still your your understanding

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Speaker 1: of why a person might bury specific goods in a grave,

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Speaker 1: Like there's a filter through your own understanding and experience.

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Speaker 1: It's like coming through that. And one of the things

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Speaker 1: that um that I had bookmarked for this to potentially

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Speaker 1: be part of this on Earth that we didn't actually

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Speaker 1: wind up putting in the episode was a study of

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Speaker 1: of graves in Europe that previously had been people had

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Speaker 1: been buried with a lot of grave goods, and then

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Speaker 1: almost at the same time, all across these different burial

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Speaker 1: sites all across Europe, it was like people stopped burying

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Speaker 1: people with so many grave goods. Um And how that

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Speaker 1: suggested a lot of interconnectivity among these different cultures and

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Speaker 1: how people were approaching burying the dead, And that was

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Speaker 1: one of the things that I was like, asked, these

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Speaker 1: seems really interesting to me, um, But I also like

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Speaker 1: didn't find a great place to put it into into

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Speaker 1: the episode. Some of the other things that I left

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Speaker 1: out were things that were just really tragic that didn't

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Speaker 1: feel like there was a reason to talk about them. Um. Like,

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Speaker 1: I feel like we had a particularly distressing group of

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Speaker 1: exhumations this time around, because a lot of them were

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Speaker 1: like people who were the victims of a horrifying massacre.

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Speaker 1: To try to identify their bodies, like that was really

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Speaker 1: and you know, these are a lot of these are

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Speaker 1: people who have descendants and family we are still living today,

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Speaker 1: so it feels like somebody's really important to talk about.

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Speaker 1: But some of the things that I found h were

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Speaker 1: these conclusions that were just incredibly tragic, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: this doesn't feel like it has a connection to life

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Speaker 1: that we need to really get into. And we all

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Speaker 1: collectively as a planet have been living through a year

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Speaker 1: of pandemic. So maybe let's not have the needlessly really

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Speaker 1: upsetting ones that don't feel like they have a reason

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Speaker 1: to be included in this particular installment. Yeah, uh, less harrowing.

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Speaker 1: But one of the things that came up in this

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Speaker 1: this set of unearthed UM that is a reminder to

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Speaker 1: me of why I have started and abandoned this one

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Speaker 1: topic a dozen times is um the research around the

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Speaker 1: common origin of dogs in Siberia. UM. Similarly, we did

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Speaker 1: a history of of house cats a while back and

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Speaker 1: that got outdated pretty quickly. But similarly, I feel like

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Speaker 1: dogs because many people I don't know, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to generalize, and so many people have a more vested

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Speaker 1: interest in dogs and culture. But dogs are not quite

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Speaker 1: the same level of independent as cats often, right, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we talked about how cats would like kind of get

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Speaker 1: out of the things, but they're not so much considered

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Speaker 1: like and you will love this cat and it will

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Speaker 1: sleep on your bed, and it will. But the dog

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Speaker 1: it's like one of those things where there's always more

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Speaker 1: things like this where I'm like, I don't even know

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Speaker 1: how I would begin to sort out all of the

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Speaker 1: information that we have about dogs. There's a lot because

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Speaker 1: it gets outdated like month to month in some cases.

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Speaker 1: That also makes it tricky. But perhaps one day I'll

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Speaker 1: get very brave about it. Maybe. So that seems like

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Speaker 1: a good place to wrap this little behind the scenes. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Happy Friday again everyone. I hope folks have a good weekend,

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Speaker 1: whatever is on on your plate, whenever is in store

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Speaker 1: for you. We'll be back tomorrow with a classic out

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Speaker 1: of the archive, and then Monday with another new episode.

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