WEBVTT - Fred Taylor talks Being Called "Fragile," Girl Dad Power, his Podcast Pivot 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.320 I'm Peanut too, man, and this is the NFL Player's 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:18.279 Second Acts podcast. And I got my pastor with me, 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:20.239 Roman Harper, what's up wrong? 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:21.000 What's up? 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:21.360 Baby? 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:23.480 And I want to tell all of our listeners out there, 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:27.560 m viewers, please give us click that button like, give 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.800 us a five star rating, hit subscription, tell a friend 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.120 to tell a friend to tell a friend. 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He's in the Jaguars Ring of Honor. 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:15.399 My guy, my good friend, Fred Taylor, what's up boss? 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:17.600 What's up? Man? What's up? What's up? Listen? 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:19.000 That was? 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.000 That was That was a great open. I appreciate it. 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.680 Thank you for reading off the only disagreement. You said 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:28.760 it's an oldie, but goodie. I get offended by that 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:32.680 word old. I'm very sensitive. Well, I apologize, you know, 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:34.680 because what do you do with old stuff? You threw 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:35.000 it out? 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.880 No, you're not necessarily you drink old wine, so you 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:38.760 should call him anti. 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:43.679 But it's not necessarily old wine, like it's vintage maybe okay, 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:44.920 or seasoned. 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:49.280 I apologize. 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.720 When we all when this is all overdone, I'm gonna 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:56.760 redo that intro and we got an antique over here. 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:57.560 It's antique. 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:03.920 Good antique. Well, antiques are kind of like part of 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:07.240 my career. You know. They called me fragile Fred for 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:10.680 we can get into that antiques. When I think antiques, 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:14.640 I think it's easily broken, you know what I'm saying. 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:16.760 So I don't know if I like that even at 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:18.600 that broken. 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:19.800 What have you broken? 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:21.600 I mean you were you a tell back, I mean 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:25.840 you are a legend uh in Jacksonville? 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:27.520 What what have you broke? 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:31.000 What was like one of the best best shots you 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:32.839 took or best shot you dished out? 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:37.920 Oh man, there's a ton of them. But you know 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:43.080 what I can say, playing against our hated rival, still 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.079 to this day, I believe they might not consider it 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.680 so much as a rival because we're on the way 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:52.760 on the bottom end in terms of UH wins against them. 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:54.919 In order to be a rival has to be. 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.960 What team is that the Titans, Tennessee Titans. 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:04.880 I believe it was in the year nine eleven happened 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:09.720 and just a simple zone left play. I did a 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:14.399 crazy jump cut back to the right in traffic. I'm 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:19.239 blame Bishop, and I tore my growing off the bone 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:22.520 right right there on the spot in that play, and 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.079 it hurt so bad. I grabbed my leg. I tossed 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:28.200 the ball and I grabbed my growing. So I threw 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.120 the ball to my close friend Tomorrow Roll. So my 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:33.799 coach thought I was probably point shaving because the night 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.680 before he was like, you and samorriw, y'all shouldn't be 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:38.840 playing those video games. We were at SA Mari's. I 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.960 was playing Madden and Coach Coughlin gave me a warning 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:46.200 for fratnizing with the opponent that he didn't play that. 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:51.200 But that was my friend from childhood. So I tossed 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:55.120 Samri the ball and I just was, you know, down 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:58.000 on the ground and agonizing pain. The worst pain I 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.920 ever felt, you know, my tire career because usually if 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.840 you have chronic growing, procedure is they go in there 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.240 and they snip it, no doubt, right, and then they 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.080 let a scar and heal and all of that. But 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.720 I did that on the field with no anesthesia, so 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.760 I never broke anything, per se. I had a ton 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:17.640 of injuries, but that was the worst. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.479 And you had classical issues a couple of labors, like 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.640 you've done a lot to your body. I want to 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.000 talk less about the injuries and more because I remember 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.200 playing against you, But I want to talk more about 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:32.520 the Tom Coughlin I would say what you would hear 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:34.520 about outside of the building. I was never in the 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.560 building with him, had you had to be there a 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:40.320 couple of minutes early, like these are real hardcore rules 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:42.440 that I've heard are legendary. 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:47.159 Old school right right, certainly old school. They wouldn't fly today. 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:51.719 For example, they didn't necessarily fly with Jalen Ramsey and 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.440 a few other the younger guys that were in the 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:58.719 building when Tison came back around. But I can say 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.520 this before I get into a few stories. In terms 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:05.479 of developing you know, boys to men right and being 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:10.719 appreciative of that, I think players would appreciate that more, 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:15.480 you know, as they get older, right, because that's all 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.080 he wanted. He wanted you to come in and understand 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.560 and learn how to be a man and approach his 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:25.160 game as a business, which is what it is. And 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.440 when you carved the fat off, he wanted to make 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:32.840 sure you were extremely focused on your job. And so 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:35.279 he tried to make sure he just carved off all 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.760 the distractions and anythings that was going to hinder your 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.839 you know, your push, you know, to try and be 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:46.560 successful as an individual and as a team collectively. But yeah, 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.559 all of those stories are true. You know, even before 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:51.840 I got there. I arribbed in ninety eight. They had 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.680 a few camps a few years before I got there, 0:05:55.160 --> 0:06:01.279 so they started in ninety six. TC. They spoke about 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:05.040 the three of days, you know, spoke about double padded practices, 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:10.360 spoke about uh, the breaks that you were supposed to have. 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.520 He would take those away and just make you no naps, 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.680 a whole lot of stuff. Uh. We had a concentration 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:21.000 line where you entered the field, you couldn't step on 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:24.120 the on the on the white line. Uh, you have 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:28.279 to turn around and go do it again. All the 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.920 little stuff Yeah, it's all the little stuff, right, but 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:34.279 he really tried to create this sense of awareness and 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:35.200 extreme focus. 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.320 Did anybody ever quit like that? 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:38.600 Was? 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.520 Because it's all I mean, this is a lot. It's 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:42.240 a whole lot. 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.640 No, it's a lot. But I don't recall, at least 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:50.200 not in my time. We we he coached. He coached 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.400 me for five years. So in my time, I never 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.000 had anybody that quit. Had a few guys close on 0:06:56.040 --> 0:07:01.640 the brink. Hell I was one of them, but just 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:05.000 some crazy stuff. Let me say this, so it is 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:07.919 true being punctual. He didn't mess around. He had his 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:11.560 own TC time meetings was at eight. You had to 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:14.760 be there seven fifty. Yeah, so or you were, you 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:19.280 would get fined and he find you for everything. Two 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:24.120 outrageous quick stories. I remember Marlins Leroy, he played at Georgia, 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:28.920 young defensive lineman. He placed the bet with Keenan mccardeal 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:32.480 back in the day. Keenan was an older vet, always clean. Yeah, 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.840 the nicest suits on the teams, great, great wide receiver 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:41.600 and great coach now as well. Keenan bet Marlows that 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:46.600 Florida would beat Georgia, and the Florida Georgia game and 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.440 if Florida won, he would have to let Keenan pick 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.480 out a suit for Keenan would pick out a suit 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.640 for at Marlos. So Keenan picked out the brightest orange 0:07:55.640 --> 0:08:00.360 suit for Marlows to travel with for game day. Coach 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.000 Coughlin saw that guy on the plane. Find him like 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:07.000 ten grands because he didn't have on our team, you know, 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.000 business type travel. He had on a bright orange suit. 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:12.800 So TC didn't play that. And the other story is 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:19.360 Tavian Banks and Cordell Taylor. We had a Saturday nightteen 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:23.880 meeting and they were driving across this bridge in Jacksonville 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:28.520 Main Street bridge. There's a slip regrading on the bridge, 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.600 so if you if it's raining and you break the 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:35.840 wrong way or too fast, your cars lose control. Those 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:38.560 guys lost control. The front of the car was on 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.400 top of the bridge, almost was going to go into 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:44.840 the Saint John's river glass. The windshield broke out. Those 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.600 guys are all cut up. They got fined for being 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.120 late to the team meeting. 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.079 You know, these are the legendary stories. I was. That's 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:54.600 why I had that. I've heard a couple of I've 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:55.040 heard them. 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.040 These were like these guys almost lost their lives. They 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.680 didn't show up. They didn't make the eight o'clock Saturday 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.720 night the day before the game team meeting. They both 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:07.959 were fine. Conduct detrimental because they just were rushing. They 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:09.800 were going to be laid anyway, is what he said. 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:11.720 Oh I think I'm gonna I'm feeling that one. 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.600 I'm taking what he learned the game is about adaptation 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:18.280 of adjusting. He leaves Jackson Mill goes to New York. 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.240 A lot of savvy vets in that lockdown, starting with 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.240 Stray and those guys, he learned that he needed to 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.520 pipe down a little bit. He changed his approach and 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:30.160 he was able to really get the attention those guys 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:31.720 and went on and went to Super Bowl. 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:34.560 Fretti, you know, Peanut read off all your accolades, talked 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.240 about all the yards, seventeenth all time, You've been a 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.840 Hall of Fame semifinalists the last couple of years. Yeah, 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.160 how does that feel? First of all to be mentioned 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.320 with all of the greats, but then also coming up short? 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:47.320 How does that? 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:49.720 At what point do you almost reached this two? 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:50.120 Like? 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:53.000 Am I just done? At this point of frustration? Let 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:54.679 me know, Like, how does that feel? I haven't got 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:54.959 my name. 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:56.840 I don't even care, but I don't. 0:09:56.720 --> 0:10:00.000 Know how you feel. I'm appreciative right that I'm even 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:04.160 considered and just starting right there. It's a lot of 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:06.360 great players, man, a lot of guys that have done 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:11.320 amazing things. So each each year let them back up. 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.240 I'm like, all right, this is an opportunity, you know, 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.800 if nothing else, it is an opportunity. I would love 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.920 that moment when we're able to get in the finalist room. 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:26.880 So then there they're able to do a deeper dive 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:31.000 into you know, my achievements, the things I've done, and 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.280 really being able to compare those two the other guys 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.160 that are already in the Hall of Fame, whatever those 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:42.360 criterias are, being able to stack them up. You know. Unfortunately, 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.400 I never had the best timing throughout my career in 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:53.800 terms of putting together back to back yearly campaigns which 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:58.960 would have got my name consider and more Pro Bowl talks. 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.920 You know, I had, you know, but they weren't back 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.600 to back to back like some of these guys. But 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:09.680 I had years while I outrushed the best backs from 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:13.400 the previous year, so forth and so on, even starting 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:16.920 with my with my rookie year more than the Hall 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:22.600 of Fame talks. I think in the class of ninety eight, myself, 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:28.600 Peyton Manning, marsh I mean not Marshall or Randy Moss. 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.200 And when you look at the final tally of the 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:36.679 Rookie of the Year voting, I believe there's a better 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:40.080 argument for my case for Rookie of the Year then 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:45.079 Randy wonted than my argument for the Hall of Fame. 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:49.120 But I was trapped in a smaller market, correct. You know, 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:54.679 Randy had certain attentions on him coming in, right, and 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:58.200 he had two great games the rookie year Green Bay 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:00.760 in Dallas. And if you have a made in games 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:04.600 against the typically the media is gonna tilt or that 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.640 way a bit more as opposed to looking at my 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.959 body of work, my rookie year in terms of touchdowns 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.200 overall numbers. So I go back. They're probably a little 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.520 bit more disappointed about that than the Hall of Fame 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:19.560 because a lot of those young guys they come in 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:21.520 with the mindset, Hey, I want to be a Hall 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.920 of Famer, you know. And I think that if I 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:28.400 had thought that way coming in, as opposed to just 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:32.240 being excited to be drafted, to the NFL and just 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.080 being able to compete each Sunday. I think if I 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.120 had that mindset, I would have done things a bit differently. 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:41.720 It would have created a certain structure, you know. But 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:42.600 I never thought that. 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:44.200 Tell me two things that you think you would have 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:44.800 done differently. 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:47.880 I love just preparation because I was like you, I 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:49.560 was just happy to get my name right right. 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.679 But more for me, just looking back, preparation, you know, 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.960 taking care of my body a bit more understanding that 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:01.960 my body is the one thing that's gonna make break me. Beforehand, 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.000 I never I never considered taking care of my body. 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.080 I didn't think about nutrition, you know, I didn't put 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:11.400 health first. You know. If I felt, you know, a 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.280 toe or something that was hurting, I'm still gonna go 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.840 to Miami and hang out, you know, and go in 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:18.839 the offseason, go with my you know, go hang out 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.480 with my people and my buddies and just ready to 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.840 get away from the season, as opposed to doing the 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:29.240 little things, you know, to achieve the end goal. So 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:31.600 I never had an end goal. Yeah, I wanted to win. 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.000 I wanted to win the super Bowl, but in terms 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:38.720 of the big the highest achievement from an individual standpoint, 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.880 although team success is at but from an individual standpoint 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.760 would be you know, can, And I just never had 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:49.080 that thought process in place until later in my career. 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.360 I was like, oh, this is attainable. Yeah, you know, 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.640 when they started talking about the ten thousand yard Russian Club, 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:58.280 when I became the twenty first running back to do 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.080 it in the history of the league, I was all right, 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:05.960 this is let's go. This is attainable. And then Jim Brown, 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:09.200 Jim Brown, you know, putting his numbers, you know, in 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.520 my sight, said this is the guy idolized the most 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:16.200 in this game. I want to outdo his numbers. You know. 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.840 Unfortunately my last two years didn't go the way I 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.560 wanted them to in New England, but I thought it 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:26.080 would have helped. But again, if you set your bar high, 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.840 you know, even if you fall just under it, you 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.600 know you've you've gotten really close. And I just never 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.520 set my bar high enough. So yeah, so those talks, man, 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:42.200 I'm appreciative of them. God's timing is the best. You know, 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.720 when it happens, you know it'll be a good moment. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.360 And I think it can happen, you know, I think 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:53.720 it will happen. My teammate Tony Boselli just conducted after 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:59.520 so many years. But the guys I've played against, the 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.440 old school guys that have played my position, that have 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.640 mentioned certain things about my career and my style of 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.280 play while I was playing, even now that I'm done, 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:14.880 those guys that are Hall of famers. The fact that 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.680 when I retired and even now, my numbers are better 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:20.840 than half of the backs that are in all the 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:24.040 fame still, so I think I have some argument there. 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.400 So when it happens, it'll be a good moment. 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:30.880 But your former teammate, though, Tony Basili, he spoke about 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:32.840 that though, he was like, I think Fred is probably 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:36.080 one of the most underrated backs out there, and I 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.640 don't think that people I personally, I don't think that 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:41.360 people talk enough about you and your stats, Like does 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:43.440 that do you feel underappreciated? 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:51.000 Like, like, not underappreciated, No, not underappreciated, because the numbers 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.040 are what they are. You know, you can line them 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.680 up against some of the best Again, of the one 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.480 hundred you know, years or so that you know, this 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:05.520 league has been around, there have been thousands of running backs, 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.400 guys that have played the running back position, And when 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.080 I was done. I was fifteenth all time. Yeah, you 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.480 know I'm somewhere. I mean we're talking about one percent 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.640 or h half that, So, I mean, I know I 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:22.960 had a very good career. I missed out on those things. 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.120 I missed out on some of the hardware, you know, 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:28.720 that sticky Lombardi, maybe a few other Pro Bowls due 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:32.720 to you know, certain marketing. And I know, I know 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:34.520 I deal with this with Ryan. 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:38.280 Klass Yeah, but trust me, I deal with it all 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.320 the time. Wrong, he's always throwing shade my way because 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.080 I lost to Super Bowls and he won one, Like 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.640 he's always he's constantly just throwing it. 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.360 Well, I mean I get it. So yeah, we certainly 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.400 get it. So it's a prestigious class, you know, to 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:58.080 be a part of man and congrats, right, don't do that. 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:02.520 So yeah, but it was great to hear Tony take 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.639 away from or to add that to his Hall of 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.919 Fame speech. It just shows what he thinks of me. 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.679 And that's what it's about, right, what my peers and 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:15.560 the guys I lined up against every Sunday you talk 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.960 to Ray Lewis, very those guys who led the Ravens defense, 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.760 that old AFC Central they know what I brought to 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:25.119 the table. I brought him work. Pittsburgh Steelers, they know 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:27.879 what I brought to the table. Work. I mean. So, 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.720 it's so many other guys that are in the Hall 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:34.760 of Fame, defensive grats, Derrick Brooks, Warrens, just Troy Pomalu. 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.080 So when they go out and they say we wanted 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.959 to stop him first, that's how we stopped Jacksonville, you know, 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.520 and then their moments where they would consider me the 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.520 first or second best player in team history behind it's 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:50.920 either me or Tony that speaks volumes. 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.080 I kind of feel like, once you make the Hall 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:55.879 of Fame, you should get a Hall of you should 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.080 you the Hall of Famer, should get a vote. 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:02.200 I don't necessarily like to say that. It's always left 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.600 up to the media to vote the player in. 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.600 It's almost considered like like the Heisman, Yeah, because they. 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:08.160 All get a vote. 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:10.399 I was talking to Robert griff RG three. I was 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:12.000 talking to Robert about that and he was like, oh, yeah, 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.080 I still get my vote, And me personally, I think 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:19.320 it's dope because no disrespect to people in the media, 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:22.560 but they you haven't played that game. You don't really 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:25.119 know all of what these players go through or what 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.680 it takes to get to that level. And then if 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:31.760 you look at recent years, I feel like certain players, 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:33.800 like Hall of famers, get mad when some Hall of 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.000 Famers is like, well what did he do? You know 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.040 what I'm saying, So I kind of, you know, leave it, 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:42.240 leave it to the greats, the yellow jackets to see. 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:43.399 Who you want or see who. 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:44.480 They want in their club. 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.080 Like the hard part is, you know, how do you 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:50.840 identify what the criterias are? You know, if there were 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:54.040 a certain set of guidelines, then it would probably make 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:57.480 it a little bit easier because if it's Pro Bowls, 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.600 then what do you do now in this era, right 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:04.840 when the Pro Bowl game is you know, let touching. 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:08.240 Yeah, it's all yeah. 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:12.080 And even then, you know, even back then, you know, 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:15.159 guys don't attend to Pro Bowl, but it's still in 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.159 their book. Then you got alternates that come in and 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:20.920 then now that's considered a Pro Bowl and all these 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:24.240 different things. But what's the high criteria? And it's so 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:30.720 so much inconsistency, and it becomes opinionated by these guys 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:34.639 who consider themselves historians of the game or teachers or 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:37.600 is it statistics? Like, so what is it? 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.359 It's their bias though too, though, because I honestly, I 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:44.440 personally think that to should have made it should have 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:46.960 been a first ballot guy, or second at least second ballot. 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:48.960 So it's all the politics behind it, for sure, and 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:51.879 it shouldn't It shouldn't be though. That's the frustrating. 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:56.880 Politics are only involved if you're not a first ballot, correct, 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:59.960 But t O should have been a first ballot then, 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:03.159 and he doesn't have to do the campaign trail and 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:05.760 the letters of recommendation and all that. 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:07.240 It was a lot that went into it. 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:10.520 Fred t Man, you talked about your peers how much 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:13.760 they respected you, and I'll just flat out be honest. 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:18.159 You were the first Jacksonville Jaguars. My second year of 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:20.359 the league was the first time I went into a 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:26.160 game with a quote unquote tackle plan. All right, you guys, Yeah, 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:28.600 because they had two different running backs. You had Fred Taylor, 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:31.399 who if I went against Fred Taylor, I had to 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:33.200 make sure I tackled him low. He had a knee 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.719 brace on. He didn't like people going at his legs. 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:38.320 He was trying to sweep the leg like well that 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:41.280 was the best way he was Yeah, anything's ness. I 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:43.119 had to go at his legs and like that was 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.879 the plan. Anytime Fredd Taylor has ball, go with his legs. 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:48.600 When you have Maurice Jones Drew get the ball, you 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:51.480 better tackle him up high, kiss him almost, and so 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.879 try to because he was so short, you tried to 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:57.000 go low. You not, that's where his power is. So 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:00.439 number one, all right, that was the respect that I 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:02.120 had for you. It was the first time I ever 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:05.000 had to implement this into my game. Is a tackling plan. 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:08.920 So would your running style how would you think it 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:11.480 would go or how would it bode well in today's 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:15.080 game where it's more space, it's not so much power downhill, 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:18.840 maybe more shotgun runs. How would you think your style 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:21.200 of play would transition in today's game. 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.520 I think I'll do numbers in today's game. We all 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:28.000 got to think that, right, I think. 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:30.000 Overall though, and why would you do numbers? 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:32.520 It's a lot of space. You know, I'm gonna give 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:36.720 you the business in space. I mean I understand tempo, 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:40.720 you know, I understand bursts, I understand how to make 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:44.280 guys miss options. And I can run you over, I 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:47.600