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Speaker 1: I'm Peanut too, man, and this is the NFL Player's

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Speaker 1: Roman Harper, what's up wrong?

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Speaker 4: Hey, one of our guests was Fred Taylor, Dope Interview.

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Speaker 2: Give it a listen.

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Speaker 3: We got a good guess.

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Speaker 1: Reach off some of these highlights, real quick first round

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Speaker 1: pick and ninety eight draft number nine.

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Speaker 3: Overall, it's a lot of repick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one. Thirteen year NFL.

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Speaker 1: That running back seventeenth on the all time rushing list,

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Speaker 1: got eleven thousand, six hundred ninety five yards, Jaguars all

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Speaker 1: time leading rusher. He's in the Jaguars Ring of Honor.

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Speaker 1: My guy, my good friend, Fred Taylor, what's up boss?

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Speaker 3: What's up? Man? What's up? What's up? Listen?

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Speaker 1: That was?

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Speaker 3: That was That was a great open. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for reading off the only disagreement. You said

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Speaker 3: it's an oldie, but goodie. I get offended by that

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Speaker 3: word old. I'm very sensitive. Well, I apologize, you know,

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Speaker 3: because what do you do with old stuff? You threw

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Speaker 3: it out?

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Speaker 1: No, you're not necessarily you drink old wine, so you

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Speaker 3: But it's not necessarily old wine, like it's vintage maybe okay,

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Speaker 3: or seasoned.

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Speaker 4: I apologize.

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Speaker 1: When we all when this is all overdone, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: redo that intro and we got an antique over here.

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Speaker 1: It's antique.

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Speaker 3: Good antique. Well, antiques are kind of like part of

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Speaker 3: my career. You know. They called me fragile Fred for

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Speaker 3: we can get into that antiques. When I think antiques,

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Speaker 3: I think it's easily broken, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if I like that even at

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Speaker 3: that broken.

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Speaker 2: What have you broken?

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Speaker 4: I mean you were you a tell back, I mean

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Speaker 4: you are a legend uh in Jacksonville?

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Speaker 2: What what have you broke?

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Speaker 4: What was like one of the best best shots you

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Speaker 3: Oh man, there's a ton of them. But you know

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Speaker 3: what I can say, playing against our hated rival, still

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Speaker 3: to this day, I believe they might not consider it

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Speaker 4: What team is that the Titans, Tennessee Titans.

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Speaker 3: I believe it was in the year nine eleven happened

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Speaker 3: and just a simple zone left play. I did a

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Speaker 3: blame Bishop, and I tore my growing off the bone

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Speaker 3: it hurt so bad. I grabbed my leg. I tossed

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Speaker 3: before he was like, you and samorriw, y'all shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: And you had classical issues a couple of labors, like

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Speaker 1: the Tom Coughlin I would say what you would hear

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Speaker 3: Old school right right, certainly old school. They wouldn't fly today.

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Speaker 3: he tried to make sure he just carved off all

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Speaker 3: successful as an individual and as a team collectively. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: all of those stories are true. You know, even before

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Speaker 3: I got there. I arribbed in ninety eight. They had

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Speaker 3: He would take those away and just make you no naps,

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Speaker 3: a whole lot of stuff. Uh. We had a concentration

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Speaker 3: to turn around and go do it again. All the

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Speaker 3: little stuff Yeah, it's all the little stuff, right, but

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Speaker 4: Did anybody ever quit like that?

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Speaker 3: Was?

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Speaker 2: Because it's all I mean, this is a lot. It's

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Speaker 3: No, it's a lot. But I don't recall, at least

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Speaker 3: some crazy stuff. Let me say this, so it is

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Speaker 3: outrageous quick stories. I remember Marlins Leroy, he played at Georgia,

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Speaker 3: Coughlin saw that guy on the plane. Find him like

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Speaker 3: ten grands because he didn't have on our team, you know,

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Speaker 3: business type travel. He had on a bright orange suit.

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Speaker 3: So TC didn't play that. And the other story is

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Speaker 3: meeting and they were driving across this bridge in Jacksonville

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Speaker 3: so if you if it's raining and you break the

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Speaker 3: the Saint John's river glass. The windshield broke out. Those

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Speaker 2: You know, these are the legendary stories. I was. That's

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Speaker 3: These were like these guys almost lost their lives. They

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Speaker 4: Oh I think I'm gonna I'm feeling that one.

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Speaker 3: I'm taking what he learned the game is about adaptation

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Speaker 1: Fretti, you know, Peanut read off all your accolades, talked

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame semifinalists the last couple of years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how does that feel? First of all to be mentioned

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Speaker 2: At what point do you almost reached this two?

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Speaker 1: Am I just done? At this point of frustration? Let

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Speaker 2: I don't even care, but I don't.

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Speaker 3: Know how you feel. I'm appreciative right that I'm even

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Speaker 3: So then there they're able to do a deeper dive

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Speaker 3: Rookie of the Year voting, I believe there's a better

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Speaker 3: And that's what it's about, right, what my peers and

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Speaker 3: my career, I was just running off natural ability. I

436
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Speaker 3: would see the film I understand the fronts over under

437
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 3: where guys were blitzing from understood that, but it was

438
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 3: our reactionary. But after a few injuries, you know, and

439
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 3: just trying to maintain that same level of play right

440
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 3: and so there wouldn't be a drop off. I had

441
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 3: to get smarter and started to really think the game.

442
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 3: And that's the part of the game that I missed

443
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 3: the most, is the preparation for the opponent. People say

444
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 3: you missed the game. I have moments where when I

445
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 3: hear a young linebacker, oh this, oh that I wish

446
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 3: I could show himself. But more than actually going out

447
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 3: there to compete the exes and o's is what I

448
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 3: fell in love with like and if I you know,

449
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,719
Speaker 3: wasn't there to raise my four boys and you know,

450
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 3: be there for my family. I certainly would be coaching,

451
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 3: you know, because I love the exes and o's And

452
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 3: when I watch the game now, I watch it from

453
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 3: a situational standpoint. Yeah, not just that they're dropping back

454
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 3: throwing the ball. They should be doing this. I would

455
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 3: be doing this. So I'm actually scripting and running plays

456
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 3: in my mind as I would see it based on,

457
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: you know, the time of the game and down the distances.

458
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Speaker 4: I probably say my my first COPLE years were like yours.

459
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Speaker 3: I was.

460
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Speaker 1: I was just just young, raw talent, just playing the

461
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 1: game and didn't really know about third and one or

462
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: third and five or third and.

463
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Speaker 4: Ten, like I'll just play it all the time. I'm just

464
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 4: playing it all the same, right, And then one of

465
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 4: my coaches came and he sat me down and it

466
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 4: was just like, hey, here's how they're attacking you. You

467
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 4: gotta know the And once I understood the game, it

468
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 4: was like the matrix, like I could slow everything down.

469
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 4: I knew what was happening. I knew how you were

470
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 4: attacking me. Okay, I don't have to try to just

471
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 4: shoot and make it well, No, I got my d

472
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 4: n right there. So I got outside leverage.

473
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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm gonna contain and I'm gonna just you

474
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: got time. Were you like that or did you just

475
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: play or you I did just play a lot, And

476
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I had a couple of

477
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: really good VET guys and some coaches like, just teach

478
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: me the game and where it's like, all right, leverage

479
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: as a secondary player is huge. Know where your help

480
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 1: is at, understanding like you're talking about down in distance

481
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: situations in the football game after a turnover from forty

482
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: to forty shot play. Yes, it's gonna be like these

483
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: little things you never think about, right, but you know

484
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: it's coming.

485
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Speaker 3: And the evolution of the game, like I mentioned the

486
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Speaker 3: speed of today's game, and I truly believe that it's

487
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 3: gonna only get faster because where the game is even

488
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,479
Speaker 3: you look at something as simple as Madden and what

489
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Speaker 3: they're doing. When I started, you know, with video games,

490
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 3: it was like tenyard fight. I remember that back it

491
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 3: was like block moves like that. But now everything's so realistic.

492
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 3: And when you sit down and you talk talk to

493
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 3: these kids on the youth level, in the high school level,

494
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: and you see them out there in seven and seven.

495
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 3: They understand coverages inside out right, they understand you know,

496
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 3: the jargon, you know. So their knowledge for the game

497
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 3: and their IQ levels was so high, which, in my opinion,

498
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 3: when they adapt that even more, is just going to

499
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Speaker 3: continue to you know, speat this game up. Yeah.

500
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Speaker 4: So I know they called you fragile Freddie. I had

501
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 4: my fair share of injuries and elbows and ribs and

502
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 4: puncture lungs.

503
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Speaker 2: I think you toy your ACL.

504
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 4: I think my last year I ended up tearing my ACL,

505
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 4: like the eighth ninth game of the season, sat out

506
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks, played some more, tore my ACL

507
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,719
Speaker 4: literally the last regular season game in the twenty fifteen season,

508
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Speaker 4: And for me, I was like, yeah, I'm thirty four.

509
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 4: I ain't really taken on corner thirty four with with

510
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 4: torn a cls. I think it's time to call it

511
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 4: a day. Father time, Yeah, you got me. He's undefeated.

512
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 4: When did you realize it was time to retire?

513
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 3: Oh man? Uh, just touching on the fragile frad part

514
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 3: really quick. I just played a game reckless. Yeah, you know,

515
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 3: I just was reckless. Didn't necessarily I had a few

516
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: years of uh, just bad luck. And but that was

517
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 3: due to my style of play and uh, hanging out

518
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: in you know, Miami and doing certain things in the

519
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 3: off season didn't necessarily help. But you know, at some point,

520
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 3: you know, something turns on you say, all right, this

521
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 3: is what I got to do to take care of myself.

522
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 3: And so I had a stretch of really good seasons

523
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: without injury, without a single injury for that matter, for

524
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 3: about four years. Uh. And and the last thing as

525
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 3: it relates to that you know, unsolicited nickname is you know,

526
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 3: to throw it back in their faces. I played for

527
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 3: thirteen years. Yeah that was averages three. So some sort

528
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 3: of toughness and perseverance and all that good stuff in there. Uh,

529
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 3: but pin, I think the moment I realized that it

530
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 3: was time to hang it up for me. After leaving Jacksonville,

531
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 3: I went to New England, signed with the Pats, got there,

532
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 3: won the starting job both of those years. My first

533
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: year there, I had a severe high ankle sprain slowed

534
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: me down some, so I would sit back like man

535
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: and I want to play. Plus, as I mentioned earlier

536
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 3: in the show, I had an agenda. I wanted to

537
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 3: win a super Bowl, which is why I chose the Pats,

538
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: and the other part was I wanted to push those

539
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: numbers up and catch up with Jim Brown. Before I

540
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 3: got to New England, I was a thousand yards shy

541
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 3: of passing Jim Brown. None of that happened my second

542
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: year there. Uh, I had turf toe, and I used

543
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: to tease people that turf toe, right, so hey, I

544
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: remember they talked about Dion having turf toe back in

545
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 3: the day and uh, Ladanian and I was like, turf toe,

546
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 3: it's a toe, it's turn toe. So I got a

547
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 3: turf toe in one one foot on one side, and uh,

548
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: like the very next week through trying to compensate for

549
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: this one, I got tackled and I got turf toe

550
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 3: on the other one like back to back weeks, and

551
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 3: uh the second one was very extreme. So I'm in

552
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: and out, in and out. So that was my thirteenth year.

553
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 3: And as the season's going, you know, it's super cold

554
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 3: in New England and I don't mind the coal.

555
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 4: You're not used to being a Florida board on.

556
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: If you look at my stats, I break. I love

557
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 3: the like from a game. I love the cole you know,

558
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: hanging out in the col I enjoyed that. Even my

559
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 3: two years there living and down in Providence, I adapted,

560
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 3: I embraced it. I really enjoyed it because it's some

561
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 3: sort of football toughness that comes with it. Especially being

562
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: a Florida boy. You gotta show him I can do this.

563
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: So that's what I did, and I know so I

564
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: but there would be practices where you know, you're out there,

565
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 3: you gotta do the dog and pony show for the media,

566
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 3: and you're like, I know, I'm not practicing the day,

567
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 3: but that's just part of the Patriot way, right, So

568
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: they don't tip off too much, and everybody's always fifty

569
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: to fifty questionable. You don't know who's gonna play.

570
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: Brady was on the injury list for like years.

571
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 3: Right, so those moments I would just sit back there.

572
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, some of the things I used to do,

573
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if I could do him still, you know,

574
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 3: because of the injuries. At this point in my career.

575
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: Now I got a drink, you know, an energy drink

576
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 3: on a fast Friday. When before I could just go

577
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 3: out there and it's fast Friday, get excited, you're out

578
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: of there. But now when you got to rev that

579
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: engine up beforehand just to make it through. You're like, okay,

580
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: And then you know, I started saying, all right, I

581
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: want to compete on the other side. I wonder what's

582
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 3: that that's going to be like? You know, that transition,

583
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: what is that going to be like? So there's a

584
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 3: certain intrigue that set in, you know, about the statistics

585
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 3: they throw at you in terms of the fel rate

586
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 3: of guys making the transition out of the game, the

587
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 3: divorce rate of guys making a transition. I said, this

588
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: is my new competition. You know, I'm not going to

589
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 3: be one of those statistics. So I started to develop

590
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: this mindset, in this excitement, you know, in the intrigue

591
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 3: about what is that going to be like? I don't know,

592
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 3: but I want to attack it head on. So after

593
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: my thirteenth season, I was like, lucky, thirteen thirteen is

594
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 3: a good number. But then that was right along the

595
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 3: time that the CBA happened in two thousand and eleven.

596
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 3: Then that's the CBA. I was like, all right, I'm

597
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: gonna get back. I'm gonna go do another year because

598
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: I was training a lot of the great young running backs. Yeah,

599
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: so I stayed away from training I forced myself to

600
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: stay away from training down in South Florida. But we

601
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: would have Matt fort T, Jones, Drew, you know, Frank Gore,

602
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: a lot of the young great backs and I would

603
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: go there and I will try to show them up,

604
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: you know, because we would train together each and every

605
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: year prior to my retirement. So I was like, if

606
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 3: I go train, I know I'll play a fourteenth season.

607
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: I know I'll get picked up somewhere eventually and I'll play.

608
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: So I just purposely stayed away. And then they announced

609
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: the CBA. I was like, you know what, maybe I

610
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 3: shouldn't retire. Just hit for about a week on my own,

611
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: and then I was like, nah, I'm gonna give it up,

612
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: and I just shut it down.

613
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: So, I mean, you said that this was your next

614
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: goal or the next thing you were going to attack.

615
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: Maybe share with us, how was that transition for you

616
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: when you did finally hang it up. You're not training

617
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: for it so many of us, me and Peanut talk

618
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: about it all the time, and this is what this

619
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: whole podcast is about. It's about that second acting.

620
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: So how to did you have a plan.

621
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: I know you said you had a goal, but did

622
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: you have a plan to help you achieve that.

623
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: Well, the only plan I had was to not ever stop,

624
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 3: never become dormant, stay busy, stay active, keep moving, stay engaged,

625
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: take advantage of the relationships that that were created over

626
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 3: the course of my career. Just stay in the face

627
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 3: of the people in the NFL. Because for years I

628
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: would get opportunities earlier in my career to do you

629
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: autograph signings or brand opportunities that I would turn down,

630
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 3: you know, five ten thousand dollars opportunities, and that's great money,

631
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 3: but you know, I wanted to be with my family

632
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: before I had a family like my mother, brother, sister,

633
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 3: and my friends. So I turned down a lot of stuff.

634
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: Then eventually, at a certain point while I was playing,

635
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 3: I understood that it's about showing up, you know, and

636
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 3: allowing people to understand that they can call on you

637
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 3: that you're going to show up. It wasn't about the money,

638
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: It's just about being there. So that mindset from a

639
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 3: latter part of my career and then into retirement, I said,

640
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 3: I want to maintain that, you know, I want to

641
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 3: stick close to the Jaguars, you know, and take advantage

642
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: of the hard work and the name and the brand

643
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: that I built in the local market. So I wanted

644
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: to get out in front of that, the bad investments

645
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: that I had. You know, how can I speak, get

646
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: on the speaking circuit and speak to you know, the

647
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: young guys, how to steer clear of these different things.

648
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: So all the different things, the bad things that I

649
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 3: can see, the things I consider bad that happened in

650
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Speaker 3: my career. I took those and I sort of formed

651
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 3: a mindset that I wanted to use this and be

652
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 3: able to use that to help me give back, and

653
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 3: you also use that to steer clear and help me

654
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: direct myself, you know, on the right path by by

655
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: always sharing. So I wanted to get better at investing,

656
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: you know. So that was intriguing. So I started to

657
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 3: study little things, you know. I started to do the

658
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 3: opposite of what I would do when people would approach

659
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 3: me about investments. For example, I learned just a simple

660
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: terminology investment talk. I just got downloaded Investorpedia when that

661
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 3: was around, in order to communicate you outa understand you know,

662
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 3: speaking the definition of words. So if I know I'm

663
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 3: going to be in that space, I know I want

664
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: to continue to invest, you know, uh in private funds

665
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 3: and stocks and all that stuff. Go and teach yourself.

666
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 3: So that's what I did. And I also you know,

667
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 3: leverage the relationships and people uh to use them, uh

668
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 3: to help myself even more there created a company, started

669
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 3: create another minority company, uh, and really just started leveraging

670
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 3: those relationships to try to build uh from there. Uh.

671
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 3: So I've had some better investments, you know, in my

672
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 3: second career because I don't call a retirement, I just

673
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 3: called a career change. Yeah, because because this is not

674
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 3: what retirement is supposed to feel like, or at least

675
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: what we've been taught that it was supposed to feel like.

676
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: So it's a career change for me. I will never retire.

677
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: I don't think I will. But every every step, every day,

678
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: it's a different uh intrigue for me. It's a different

679
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: competition for me, and I embraced that, you know now

680
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 3: doing the pivot with Ryan and Channing. I love our grind,

681
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: I love our hustle. Just being able to continue to

682
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 3: learn from Ryan, you know, someone who actually majored in journalism,

683
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: I do.

684
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: It totally makes a lot of sense. Though he's great,

685
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: makes it.

686
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 3: He is so good at what he much if you

687
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 3: learned from him. I really really just because I never

688
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: really talked a lot.

689
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got like a low got like a little

690
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: Morgan Freeman junior voice going on.

691
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 3: You know, people do love my sexy voice.

692
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 4: You know it's a slow key Morgan Freeman.

693
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, yeah, hey, the voice over bad time.

694
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 3: I'm all for that. But no, just really, I think

695
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: what I've learned from Ryan because I still have to

696
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: be myself. I have to be my authentic self and

697
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 3: that I'm very I'm not afraid to be vulnerable age

698
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 3: and I think that's what creates the safe space on

699
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 3: our show. And I'm extremely transparent, you know, I want

700
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: to lead with that, and and I try also to

701
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 3: be as unbiased as I can. That's the part that

702
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 3: I learned from Ryan. In order to be in this space,

703
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 3: you have to be able to tap into uh and

704
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 3: be unbiased respectfully, you know, when you engage with the

705
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 3: subject our guests. UH. But I also want to make

706
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 3: sure that I give people their flowers, which is you

707
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 3: know what I do. But Ryan, just being able to study,

708
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: you know, study beforehand, not just going in there just

709
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 3: talking and slang. Like we come in there really prepared

710
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 3: and we do our homework. So learning that from Ryan

711
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 3: the hardest working I'm like, I don't know how you

712
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 3: do it. He has so many different hats that he wears,

713
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 3: not just in the media, but with his family, his

714
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: son Jordan. Back at ASU, he was coaching all the dbs,

715
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: coaching the dB so you that grind, that hustle, you know,

716
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 3: being able to sacrifice when need be. All of that

717
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: comes into play once. I actually met Ryan away from

718
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 3: the field, because on the field I wanted to tear

719
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 3: him in half when he was a Steeler. But now

720
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 3: you know, we're really good friends. We have the same

721
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 3: amount of respect for each other, and that we have

722
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: one agenda, you know, no no drama and just make

723
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 3: the pivot. You know, one of the best podcasts out there.

724
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 4: Well, it's it's kind of the blueprint though, like you

725
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 4: guys are, I mean, it's us. I want to be

726
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 4: like y'all when I grew up. I want to be

727
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 4: like y'all.

728
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: I want to I want to we try to set

729
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: that that that tone like y'all and how.

730
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Speaker 4: Y'all ask the questions? And you don't just do athletes

731
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 4: like you have everybody on musicians, athletes, artists.

732
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 3: Like we'll consider it. Uh, you know, lifestyle, Yeah, sports, entertainment,

733
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: just the just really a safe space where now you

734
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 3: have celebrities and their PR teams actually reaching reaching out

735
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 3: to us because we're trying to tell a great story,

736
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 3: but we're trying to allow to guests that space and

737
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: that leverage to tell their stories as they want and

738
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 3: not just how the media, the traditional media right wants

739
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Speaker 3: to traject their their their stories.

740
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Speaker 1: I got two questions for you. Number one, how'd you

741
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: guys come up with the name of the pivot? And

742
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: then number two, you know, the first time we talked,

743
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: you talked about this vulnerability in this safe when you

744
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: guys had your show and the first time and you

745
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: talked about the pitfalls and some of the things the

746
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: mistakes that you guys made early. Could you maybe share

747
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: with the mistakes you made and then also what you

748
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: guys have learned from that and how it's different in

749
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: the pivot.

750
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: And I think those questions will overlap because we can't

751
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 3: have the pivot without having the second part, the second question.

752
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: So I'll start with the second question and get us

753
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 3: got back to the pivot. Yeah, So we started during

754
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 3: the pandemic with another podcast and really just there we

755
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 3: just wanted to talk about We just wanted to really

756
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 3: get out of the house right during the pandemic. It

757
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 3: was during the pandemic. It was everybody was home, so

758
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 3: we were all neighbors. It started with myself, Reggie, Wayne,

759
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 3: Brandon Marshall, and Channing Crowder and we said, let's just

760
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 3: go and talk about current events, you know, and we

761
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: started there, but it took off so fast. It was

762
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: nothing to do during the pandemic, but people were trying

763
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: to find everything to do at home. So podcast was

764
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 3: like perfect, you know, time to birth the podcast, and uh,

765
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 3: it just took off.

766
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: It did really just you guys had all you had

767
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: Channing who was talking crazy Mark half the time.

768
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did not know that you know, it was

769
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 3: going to do that, but we all had some input.

770
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 3: And then you know, Reggie sort of uh got tied

771
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: up in his life, you know, and I don't want

772
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: to go into too much details there out of respect

773
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: for everybody involved. But then they inserted Cho Sinko, which

774
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 3: was another you know, uh character alongside Channing, but it

775
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 3: just made the podcast a little bit more uh entertaining,

776
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 3: you know for everyone that was watching. But again, the

777
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 3: business button up. No paperwork had necessarily been signed, and

778
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 3: there had been some discussions, but as friends who respected

779
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 3: each other, we thought we were on the same plan

780
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 3: fill playing field, and we thought it was one of

781
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 3: those things that didn't necessarily have to be communicated. But

782
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 3: then an agenda sort of took over that when the

783
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: success showed up, certain agendas kind of showed up, and

784
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 3: then there were you know, whispers and looking around like

785
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 3: all right, well this isn't fair, this isn't fair, Well

786
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 3: this should have happened. Equity ownership, revenue sharing, all this

787
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 3: stuff started to kind of take shape and the numbers

788
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: didn't add up. So Channa and I we had a conversation,

789
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 3: and I would always use the word just you know, pivot,

790
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 3: just all the time, just everyday life, you know. I

791
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 3: remember hearing the song jay Z had some lyrics. He's

792
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 3: like posting pivot, redistribute and some other stuff, and I

793
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 3: would always just naturally say, man, it's just time to pivot.

794
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 3: We gotta it's a wrap, you know, it's time to go.

795
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: We gotta pivot. So Channing and I we went to

796
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 3: had one big meeting and see if we can come

797
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 3: to an agreement for the old podcast didn't necessarily work out.

798
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 3: So Channing and I we went behind the scenes and say,

799
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 3: all right, man, what you want to do? What do

800
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 3: you want to do? It's like, I don't think it's

801
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: gonna work out for me personally, so much like the

802
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: end of my career, I kind of sat back and

803
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 3: saw some things unfolding that I necessarily wasn't too happy about.

804
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 3: So I just kind of accepted it for about three

805
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 3: or four weeks and that season three of that old podcast,

806
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 3: and I was like, Nah, this isn't going to do it.

807
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 3: So we went silent and we just went black for

808
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: a while, myself Channing while they were trying to make

809
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 3: their minds up and how they wanted to do stuff.

810
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 3: We just went dark. But during that time we were plotting,

811
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 3: so we said, all right, what are we going to do.

812
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 3: We got with Alicia Zubakowski, who's our producer on the podcast,

813
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: thirteen times Emmy Award winner. She's a monster at what

814
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 3: she does. We got on the phone with our seat,

815
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 3: he said he was down. We formed our team and

816
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 3: we said, the one thing we're going to do is

817
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 3: get the business right. First structure, from the pivot the

818
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: company to our own entity amongst the talent, and how

819
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 3: it was going to pay out, the distributions, just everything.

820
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: We shaped up, We got the account, we just shaped up,

821
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 3: and the last thing was what's the name? What are

822
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 3: we going to name it? And we just you know,

823
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 3: one day, I said, let's just call it. How about

824
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: the pivot? Because that's what Channon and I that's what

825
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: we're doing. We're about to pivot. And that's what everybody

826
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 3: in the pandemic was doing. We all had to pivot, everybody,

827
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 3: you know, and they're going to always be moments in

828
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 3: all of our lives where everybody at some point is

829
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 3: going to have to pivot and there'll be pivotal moments

830
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 3: that create good and bad time. So it just stuck

831
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 3: and we went and trademarked our stuff and you know,

832
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 3: made sure that part of it was solid and the

833
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 3: rest is history.

834
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Speaker 1: Well I'm a fan.

835
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan.

836
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. I watch it. All is good. I

837
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 3: like I like what y'all doing.

838
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 4: Y'all are y'all definitely setting the tone.

839
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: Trying to get it right.

840
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: What are you guys hoping to accomplish with it? And

841
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 1: when it's all said and done, you're like, you know what,

842
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: this was a success or do you not even have that?

843
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: You guys got over seven hundred thousand subscribers and so

844
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 1: you are at the top, well, one of the top

845
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: podcasts that the nation even has. And so when would

846
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,919
Speaker 1: you say, all right, this is what we were trying

847
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: to accomplish or do you did you guys even set

848
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: up the goal? Because you did everything else?

849
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 3: We like, we're we're we surprise ourselves a lot of

850
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: the times. We just talked about it last night, you know,

851
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 3: with the YouTube NFL Sunday ticket thing, like we were like, whoa,

852
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: that's a big partnership, you know, for us to achieve.

853
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think long term obviously, you know, we

854
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 3: want to be able to have our content you know

855
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 3: where it's license and you know now we're being paid

856
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: for it, even you know, fifteen twenty years from now.

857
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 3: But we look at models like the Breakfast Club, you know,

858
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 3: the consistency and the sustainability, and we want to achieve

859
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 3: that first. We want to maintain our consistency and as

860
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: long as we do that, everything else is going to

861
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 3: take care of itself. I think where people mess up

862
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: is when they take too many breaks and then there's

863
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 3: some uncertainty and you know, then your fans don't know

864
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 3: what you're gonna do. Uh, And we said, that's not

865
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 3: what we're gonna do. So consistency is the first thing

866
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 3: that will help create the sustainability and keep us there

867
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 3: for the years to come. We're independent now, we we

868
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 3: we've had some offers you know here and there from

869
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 3: some of the bigger you know, companies that are eventually

870
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 3: going towards you know, podcast platforms and stuff. But when

871
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 3: those numbers you know, come in the right way and

872
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 3: certain aligns with certain partnerships, then that'll be the right

873
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 3: moment where we're able to carve off, you know, a

874
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 3: piece of our ownership you know, for partnership, and then

875
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: maintain some ownership, but always really just right now controlling

876
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 3: complete ownership of the pivot and licensing our shows to

877
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 3: go forward because they're going to live on that forever.

878
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,479
Speaker 3: It's going to always be valuable information. But long term,

879
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 3: we just want to make sure that we're giving back,

880
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 3: Like we don't have a complete, I guess business agenda

881
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 3: to just dump it and run with money. We want

882
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 3: to keep servicing the people because people make podcasts, you know,

883
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, like, that's what we believe in people,

884
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 3: the viewers, you know, subscribers. However, they make podcasts. If

885
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 3: they don't sit there and tune in and listen, you're relevant.

886
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: So we want to make sure we're servicing them. That's

887
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 3: always our first mindset that we want to do good conversation,

888
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: good content. You have certain guests that going to spike

889
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: your numbers, and that's cool, but it's not always about that.

890
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 3: And I tried to explain that on the other podcast,

891
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 3: that it's about building bridges, right and just having dope,

892
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 3: super dope conversations and content. You don't always need an

893
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 3: A lister as a guest, just need great conversation with that.

894
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 4: So we're gonna pivot switch to another topic right right.

895
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 4: We're gonna ask you some quick hitter questions real quick,

896
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 4: rookie year, get that contract you sign probably, I know

897
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 4: for me, I bought me a nice little I bought

898
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 4: a nice little I had some rims, you know what

899
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 4: I'm saying. I had that speaker, I had to screens

900
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 4: falling from the ceiling, I had to screen in the river,

901
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 4: you know, single note kids. So all my money went.

902
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 2: Some tee from Florida. You know you had that.

903
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 4: So he has to tell me though, like what was

904
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 4: one of the first things he splurs though.

905
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 3: Oh, man, all right. So the first thing got splurged

906
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 3: on after I got my contract was I bought my

907
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 3: grandmother one hundred and fifty thousand dollars house because my

908
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 3: promise to her when I was around in sophomore in

909
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 3: high school. Didn't know how I was going to do it,

910
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 3: but I told I was going to buy her home

911
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 3: if we were in a two bedroom apartment she raised,

912
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 3: you know, me and my other four siblings, So I said,

913
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: maybe I'm going to buy your house. So that was

914
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 3: the first major thing that I bought. And then after

915
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 3: I got hurt secured, I blew some money on some jewelry,

916
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 3: some rims, you know, a bins or two. Stuff that

917
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 3: I look back on now and you see some dumbs.

918
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 3: It doesn't make doing, Yeah.

919
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: You know, I mean it.

920
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: I know it doesn't make sense because it's a lot

921
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: of dollars. But at the end of the day, man,

922
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: it's what young people do.

923
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 3: That's true. But that's also a part of where we

924
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 3: come in as guys that have been there, you know,

925
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 3: to try to I know, the money's different because I

926
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 3: was a ninth pick in ninety eight and I think

927
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 3: my total contract package was around sixteen million total to

928
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 3: be able to go up to around twenty with incentives,

929
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 3: and these guys getting that year in a year. But

930
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 3: they're exposed to so much more, right, But I think

931
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 3: they're also exposed to having a lot of good people

932
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 3: around them that can tell them not to make certain frivolous,

933
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 3: you know, purchases and decisions that are in you know,

934
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 3: in a in a year, two years from now, you're

935
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 3: not gonna like it won't even be around.

936
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 4: Did you have someone when you were making those purchases

937
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 4: help you out or it was just like, no, this

938
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 4: is what I'm doing.

939
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:22,479
Speaker 3: They helped me write to check. They didn't say, hey,

940
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 3: you you shouldn't do that. No, And but that's another thing,

941
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 3: you know, learning from those things. You know, they're good,

942
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 3: great financial advisors, and they're ones that are you know,

943
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 3: predatory right and and aren't great. So I believe my message,

944
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 3: whether it's the uh, the this platform, our platform, on

945
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 3: the pivot, or just speaking engagements, you're seeing these young guys,

946
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 3: like at the draft at different places, be smart with

947
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 3: your money. It's a constant reminder like, don't make certain

948
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 3: you're gonna have fun. Yes, but everything can be calculated.

949
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: Make sure you keep the main thing the main thing.

950
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 3: Learn how to take your interest or shoe deals or

951
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 3: you know, appearance moneys and stuff. And if you want

952
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 3: to go crazy with that, you can kind of, you know,

953
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 3: justify certain means by with that. But creative plan, you

954
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 3: know whatever, that plan looks like creative plan. But I

955
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 3: think it's our duty, you know, as vets guys that

956
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 3: have been around, guys that have made those mistakes, because

957
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 3: we can look back on them and say it was

958
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 3: but it was stupid, right unnecessary. I think at one

959
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 3: point I had maybe five cars in my and my driveway.

960
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 3: It's only me. But then I got buddies. Hey, take this,

961
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 3: Take this. You know.

962
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: It's funny because at some point most guys had an

963
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: extended career orth or grew up in a certain way

964
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: like that is what we wanted. Like I remember the

965
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: Trick Daddy video where I wanted a don't like that's

966
00:53:59,239 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: all I wanted.

967
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 2: That had to have rims and I wanted this on but.

968
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 3: That I went at the end of my career, towards

969
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 3: the middle of my career. I got because I always

970
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 3: wanted one. Yeah, and I mean I probably put seventy

971
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 3: five thousand in that car. Old School had the best

972
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 3: of everything in it, and the guys loved it. The

973
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 3: engine five oh two big block, the guys on the team,

974
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 3: they loved it. And I only pulled it out on

975
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 3: game day. The other days during the week, it probably

976
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 3: didn't even crank, probably didn't even start, and I smelled fumes,

977
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 3: fumes all down the street and parked of my garage.

978
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 3: My wife was like, we got to get rid of that,

979
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 3: you know. And I ended up selling it to a

980
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 3: teammate for like forty thousand. So I took a thirty

981
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 3: five thousand dollars haircut and he showed it probably four

982
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 3: months after that for like twenty five I should have

983
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 3: sold it back to me.

984
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 4: But yeah, just a lot of Do you have an

985
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 4: old school right now currently?

986
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: Of course not? Of course not. Okay, so I have.

987
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 2: Guessed that I would not have guessed it either.

988
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 3: No, I do not have an old school. It's actually

989
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 3: it's one old school in my garage and I've been

990
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 3: trying to get rid of it for years. It's a

991
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight col five point fifty. It was

992
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 3: only like five of them ever made beautiful interior. It's

993
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 3: like this deep Hunter green. I bought it for my

994
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 3: wife back then. I bought it for her. She's the

995
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 3: Saint Patrick's day baby. So her favorite color is green, green, green,

996
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 3: Mark seventeen green. Everything. She will not let me get

997
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 3: rid of that. I've been trying to get rid of

998
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 3: that coffee, like, hey, you need to get rid of it.

999
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 3: But a good thing is it's been paid off. Yep,

1000
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 3: it's eight It only has like fifty thousand miles, so

1001
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 3: it's perfect condition right from the outside, you know, Deans,

1002
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 3: it's perfect. I'm just tired of looking at it. But

1003
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 3: the blessing in disguise is our oldest son. He's twenty

1004
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 3: now and we have a seventeen year old. They can

1005
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 3: drive it and they drive it to work and this

1006
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 3: and that, so it's not as bad. And then I

1007
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 3: don't have to got to check to pay for them

1008
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 3: a car because they like driving a bend. Still. Uh

1009
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 3: So that's the one old school that's in the garage.

1010
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just glad we all can openly admit that

1011
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: we all have purchased rims and old schools.

1012
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I had had those free wheels, had

1013
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 4: those the god the spinners.

1014
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 3: If rims ain't coming on the car now, like they

1015
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 3: come standard on certain they do it. We have a

1016
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,720
Speaker 3: range Rover. If it doesn't come on, I ain't buying.

1017
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 3: I'm with you, Like I'll personally some stop from the

1018
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 3: from the dealership. Right. But if I'm not going to

1019
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 3: a person to buy twenty three twenty, I'm not doing.

1020
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 3: But if I can get some stuff, I'll even get

1021
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 3: a car. I've gotten cars over the years where I'll

1022
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 3: just take the vehicle in there and I'll get them

1023
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 3: factory coded.

1024
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's what I do now, Yeah, powder cold

1025
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: black powder, coat them like factory rim.

1026
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 3: I don't care to be seen. I prefer not to

1027
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 3: be seen. Throw some tent on my car, make them illegal,

1028
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 3: make the they kind of legal. T But I'm going

1029
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 3: to go to my dermatologist and I'll teach you that. Yeah,

1030
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 3: in Florida, you know, I got some skin condition. I

1031
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 3: gotta have dark tents. So work with me here just

1032
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 3: in case I get pulled over due to my tent.

1033
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't want to be seen in the vehicle.

1034
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 3: Like I don't care about that sort of stuff and

1035
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 3: it's just you know, all superficial stuff. So sorry, we

1036
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:29,479
Speaker 3: have a hard question.

1037
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 2: All right, Top five running backs of all time? You're list?

1038
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 3: Oh boy, this thing changes all the time.

1039
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 4: We keep pivoting.

1040
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 3: That's what it's about so much. I fell in love

1041
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 3: with the game watching Walter Payton Love Sweetness. I would say,

1042
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 3: Jim Brown totally get it. I love Marcus Allen.

1043
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 2: I wouldn't expected I wouldn't either.

1044
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 3: I love Marshall Falk, I.

1045
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: Love that one.

1046
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 3: And La Danny and town Alison my guys. But and

1047
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 3: I do this and it's no any no particular order.

1048
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 3: Those are the guys that I absolutely love. But sweetness,

1049
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 3: Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Marcus Allen, and marsh Fault those

1050
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 3: are my guys. Yeah, I love I just love La

1051
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 3: Danian's game, just his all around ability. You know, Fault

1052
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 3: I felt like in my career I was I wasn't

1053
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 3: the receiver that he was, but in terms of you

1054
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 3: know that and that I was a bigger, you know,

1055
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 3: faster that you know. But yeah, those are the guys

1056
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 3: that I admire. Uh and I believe, in my opinion,

1057
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 3: those are my favorite follow up.

1058
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,439
Speaker 1: How about in today's game. Who are like your top

1059
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: or favorite running backs to watch in today's game?

1060
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 3: All right? I just love his explosiveness. He's extremely dynamic, strong,

1061
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,919
Speaker 3: he's as probably the best jump cut in the game. Yeah.

1062
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 3: He gets from a gap to C gap like that

1063
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 3: and gets back vertical. He wastes no time lateral. I

1064
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 3: like Christian McCaffrey. He's gives that fulk version, you know,

1065
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 3: so he gets it done. I like Jonathan Taylor over Andy.

1066
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 3: You know when I see that twenty eight in the

1067
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 3: Taylor running down the field kind of bring back memories, right.

1068
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 3: I like Alvin Kamara. You know a k Is he's

1069
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 3: a dog. Uh. And I admire a lot of the young,

1070
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 3: the young running back. I like my Florida boy, Dereck Henry.

1071
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 3: You know, he's different.

1072
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 2: They don't build him like him.

1073
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 3: They don't build him like him. He's Eddie George, you joke,

1074
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 3: Eddie George three point zero.

1075
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Speaker 4: I saw him this morning when he was leaving George.

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Speaker 2: Still he looks good. He can still give you. So.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I admire so many, so many of the

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01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 3: young backs out there. Man, just uh how great they

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Speaker 3: are and how versatile they are. They can do it all,

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01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 3: you know, but it starts again with what youth sports

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01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 3: is and how that's continuing to evolved from flag you know,

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01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 3: and then seven on seven you know, and now it's

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01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 3: developing these guys how to be great receivers, you know,

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01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 3: how to have that, how to be extremely agile. Then

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01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 3: they carry it over to you know, the running back

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01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 3: position and just really being able to think the game

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01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 3: line up, the x's and o's. I think those things

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01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 3: are gonna be what separate the greats, the guys that

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01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 3: are going to be future Hall of famers at that

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01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 3: position versus the guys that are going to be really

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01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 3: good at that position, that high level i Q and

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01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 3: how they see the x'es and o's. I don't think

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01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 3: it will be too many more ten thousand yard rushers

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01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 3: because of how the game is evolved. It's more of

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01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 3: a past dominant game now.

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Speaker 2: Running back, so nobody in the.

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Speaker 3: Running back position isn't valued as great. There are some

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01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 3: that that forced the issue there, right, but those are

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01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 3: the special guys. But I think that you won't see

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01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 3: as many ten thousand yard rushers because they're splitting carries,

1101
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 3: two headed monsters and stuff like that. So those opportunities

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01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 3: won't present themselves. Doesn't mean they're not great from an

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01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,439
Speaker 3: ability standpoint, it's just from the opportunities. I don't think

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01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 3: they'll get as many opportunities.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so another pivot, another serious question. Our journeys require

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01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,959
Speaker 4: great guys, and through my journey of life, I've had

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01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 4: numerous guys that have helped me along the way. And

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01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 4: if you could have your mount rushmore of guides or

1109
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 4: people that are helped you to get to where you

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01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 4: are right now, who would those people be?

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01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 3: All Right? No, I always I would. I would definitely

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01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 3: start with my grandmother first, man, just to see what

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01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 3: she had gone through to raise us. And uh yeah,

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01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can get to the other

1115
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 3: three because I'm fighting back tears just thinking about her.

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01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, wrong for that, Yeah, my grandmother first. And

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01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 3: then my dad. You know, he came to my life later,

1118
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 3: but he was sort of forced out of my life

1119
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 3: early on, but he came back into my life later

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01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 3: and he did what dads are supposed to do and

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01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 3: he helped me become, you know, a better person from

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01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 3: a brotherly approach, and then just a you know, a

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01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 3: couple of mentors. Coach Pola you know my running backs

1124
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 3: coach who I got towards the end of my career,

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01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 3: just his fatherly approached, how he kept me on track

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01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 3: and how he you know, uh, continue to reinforce things

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01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 3: that were most important. And lastly, I would just say

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Speaker 3: my my daughter Natasha, because she was the one who

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01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 3: initially broke me from you know, all of the knuckleheaded

1130
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 3: stuff you would do and the decisions you would make

1131
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 3: without thinking. My first baby girl, she she made me

1132
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 3: man right. And just really all of those you know,

1133
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 3: people as a collective, and I've never thought of it

1134
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 3: that way, but now since y'all put me on the spot, yeah,

1135
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 3: those people that have been the most influential and helped

1136
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 3: me pivot and become the person that I am today.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, well, fred Man, I appreciate that vulnerability, bro,

1138
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: And I can attest to the last statement, your daughter,

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01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: you're firstborn.

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Speaker 2: I'll never forget.

1141
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: I was doing a lot of the same knuckleheaded stuff

1142
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: when I first met Peanut at PEO and my girlfriend

1143
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: who's now my wife at the time, was she asked

1144
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: me a really really hard question, was that would you

1145
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: want your daughter to date you? And that really hurt

1146
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: because it really makes you look at that man in

1147
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: the mirror and say, I really need to like focus

1148
01:04:58,040 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: on what I'm trying to do and who I'm trying

1149
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,919
Speaker 1: to represent. And the people you love are the ones

1150
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,919
Speaker 1: that you can hurt the most. And so it's really cool.

1151
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: I appreciate you being I wanted it vulnerable and sharing

1152
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: that too.

1153
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. I want to also really quick before I get

1154
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 3: kicked out of my own house. Man, we're gonna do

1155
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 3: a mount rushmore plus one. Let's do my wife, Let's

1156
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 3: do it, because you know, I think about in that moment.

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01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 3: You know, I really, uh, every everything that I lead

1158
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 3: with from getting out of you know, the hanging out

1159
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 3: mode in Miami and uh uh making sure I would

1160
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 3: take care of my body and not going club and

1161
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 3: all the time and stuff. It was. It was it

1162
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 3: was her. Yeah, my wife pretty much changed, you know,

1163
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 3: as a single person, changed the direction of my career

1164
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 3: because I would hang out, like I saying in the

1165
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 3: off season all the time, and you know, she was,

1166
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 3: you know, saying, look, this is what you're going to

1167
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 3: have to do in order to you know, if you

1168
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 3: want to be great, So this is what you're going

1169
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 3: to have to do. So a hard relationship. You know,

1170
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 3: we've been together for twenty plus years. But she's the

1171
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 3: one who helped me pivot and get back on the

1172
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 3: path that I thought I could be on as a player.

1173
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 3: But it also made me a better person, made me

1174
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 3: a responsible person. So yeah, so she, for lack of

1175
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 3: I guess pun intended, she took me out the streets,

1176
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 3: but from hanging out and learning structure and just really

1177
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 3: just developing, you know, sort of a a guideline for

1178
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 3: my life. And so she deserves as much credit as

1179
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 3: the other for that.

1180
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 2: That's also why you're not giving her that bends.

1181
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 3: Want to get rid of that car so bad? Man,

1182
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 3: that's crazy. Man. Hey, next time, y'all got to have

1183
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 3: some nap. I could have dabbed that away, man.

1184
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 4: That was my Oprah moment.

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01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: It was beautiful though.

1186
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 4: Man, it's beautiful.

1187
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 3: Because I think about her, man, and she's battling dementia,

1188
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 3: and to see her like that's you know, that's that's

1189
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 3: heavy on me. Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 4: He appreciate you for coming out, man, Thank you.

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01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 3: Pleasure appreciate y'all, thank you.

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01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 2: Guys for listening.

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Speaker 4: You know, with every show we do, in every guests

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Speaker 4: we have, we try to make it very authentic and

1195
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 4: just be vulnerable and open and secure and make this

1196
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 4: a safe place for these guys to talk. And you

1197
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 4: guys have been awesome for supporting us. We can't thank

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Speaker 4: you enough.

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1204
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