Speaker 1: Oh, folks, friends and neighbors, fellow conspiracy realist, the time
Speaker 1: has come. You've heard us mention this concept often because
Speaker 1: we've been obsessed with it for years. In these divisive
Speaker 1: times of recent modern history. What could unite the eight
Speaker 1: plus billion people living on Earth, species that famously can't
Speaker 1: agree on anything up to an including condiments for different
Speaker 1: hot dogs. What on Earth or off Earth could unite
Speaker 1: this disparate ragtag group of what we call humans.
Speaker 2: There are two things, and we're going to talk about
Speaker 2: them in this episode. Hell yeah, there are two things,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna talk about so much stuff, guys. But
Speaker 2: water projections, vapor projections are such a real thing now,
Speaker 2: even after five years of recording this episode in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: it feels like it could absolutely happen.
Speaker 3: Though, what can we also say?
Speaker 4: I mean, this was something that came up in our
Speaker 4: Q and A for the live show that we did
Speaker 4: on the Virgin Voyage It's True Crime Expedition, whatever you
Speaker 4: want to call it. This is something that is very
Speaker 4: much still on people's minds and relevant today.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt nol
Speaker 2: Is on an adventure today, but we'll be returning soon.
Speaker 3: They call me Ben.
Speaker 1: We are joined as always with our super producer Paul Michig.
Speaker 1: Control decands most importantly, you are you, You are here,
Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 1: As you know, we record these episodes in advance. They
Speaker 1: publish anywhere from what would you say, Matt, a week
Speaker 1: to maybe two weeks later?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say maximum two weeks. We can't really
Speaker 2: get that far ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the most we've ever had it together. Actually,
Speaker 1: that's literally the most, and I think that was one time.
Speaker 1: Today's episode is a classic episode. I would call it
Speaker 1: something that we've known about for years. We've somehow never
Speaker 1: done a podcast on but we are like the rest
Speaker 1: of the world. We are living in a time where
Speaker 1: history is being written. We are recording this on June one,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. We are based, as we say all the time,
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Georgia, and as we record this, the nation
Speaker 1: is a wash in protests against ongoing police brutality.
Speaker 2: Yes it is, and our city is certainly seeing a
Speaker 2: lot of the protests and it's all in reaction to
Speaker 2: the killing of a man named George Floyd. And we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about that at a later date, but
Speaker 2: today we'd like to just have maybe a moment of
Speaker 2: reflection within this podcast and then we'll start the show. Okay,
Speaker 2: So switching gears here, we got another voice message, and
Speaker 2: I say another because this person calls in all the time.
Speaker 2: His name is Wayne. Wayne, you know who you are.
Speaker 2: You've seen the title of this episode, so I'm sure
Speaker 2: you are quite excited, as are Ben and I and Paul.
Speaker 2: Today we are covering something that we've talked about before,
Speaker 2: as been mentioned at the top here. But it's something
Speaker 2: near and dear to your heart, Wayne, and it's something
Speaker 2: that I have cited several times as my favorite conspiracy.
Speaker 2: I believe Ben and today we are asking the question
Speaker 2: what is Project bluebem?
Speaker 1: So here are the facts. Let's start this way a
Speaker 1: bit differently. I was thinking about this the best way
Speaker 1: to start it. It's odd to get into. We're going
Speaker 1: to start with the actual conspiracy theory at hand when
Speaker 1: we ask what is Project Bluebeam?
Speaker 3: I'd like to give you.
Speaker 1: The origin story first. Most people know about Project Bluebeam
Speaker 1: because back in nineteen ninety four, a Chebaquah author named
Speaker 1: Serge manast went you know, achieved to some notoriety and
Speaker 1: some public attention in fringe circles with claims that NASA, Yes,
Speaker 1: that NASA either plans to or already has begun implementing
Speaker 1: a new Age religion with the Antichrist or some version
Speaker 1: thereof as its leader, in hopes of starting a new
Speaker 1: world order through the use of high end communications technology.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it's not just NASA, by the way, the
Speaker 2: North American Space Agency, It's also the United Nations. So
Speaker 2: everybody was gonna get involved with this whole thing, at
Speaker 2: least according to this conspiracy, and the basic idea is
Speaker 2: pretty much the scenario that played out in Watchmen. If
Speaker 2: you've ever read the comic or watched the movie that
Speaker 2: came out back in the day, or the scenario that
Speaker 2: was alluded to very much so in the new HBO
Speaker 2: series of The Watchmen, where oh that's my son, where
Speaker 2: the only thing that could really bring all of humanity
Speaker 2: together is some kind of outside invading force of a
Speaker 2: power more powerful than the biggest nuclear weapon that's ever existed, Right,
Speaker 2: some kind of large scale global event that threatened all
Speaker 2: of humanity, so we would all ban together.
Speaker 1: And there's an interesting point in chronology I want to
Speaker 1: propose here. First, let me step back and say, you're right, Math,
Speaker 1: that's a good point. It wasn't just the United Nations.
Speaker 1: It's not just NASA. It's also the Freemasons. It's also
Speaker 1: you know, what's vaguely referred to as the Illuminati. At times,
Speaker 1: multiple mad libs of organizations come into play or under
Speaker 1: accusation here. But Watchman the comic was created by a
Speaker 1: fantastic writer, notoriously cantankerous human being named Alan Moore. It
Speaker 1: first appeared in nineteen eighty five, So keep that time
Speaker 1: in your mind, keep it at the front of your head.
Speaker 3: So we'll give you a spoiler alert.
Speaker 1: Because of the age of Watchmen, we're going to count
Speaker 1: this down. Spoilers, you know, turn back now or have
Speaker 1: Watchmen spoiled for you? Three to one spoilers and Watchmen,
Speaker 1: one of the characters attempts to create create this global
Speaker 1: unification you mentioned Matt by genetically engineering a gigantic squid
Speaker 1: like thing that also has psychic powers, and it creates
Speaker 1: a tremendous tragedy.
Speaker 3: Millions of people die. It's it's it's very bad. In short.
Speaker 1: In Project Bluebeam again, according to Serge Manask, all the
Speaker 1: world's governments conspire to create the Messiah that they wish
Speaker 1: to see in the world, and to create.
Speaker 3: It not as a.
Speaker 1: It's difficult to say what Manasse conclusively believed toward the end,
Speaker 1: but at times he it described it as simply a
Speaker 1: means of secular control by taking advantage of people's credulous nature,
Speaker 1: but then in other other times is very explicitly saying
Speaker 1: this is actual supernatural stuff. We'll get into the specifics
Speaker 1: a bit, but for the timeline, it's interesting because in
Speaker 1: a lot of conspiratorial claims, we see that their achilles
Speaker 1: heel can be timeline right, like the end of the
Speaker 1: world millenary and cults and so on. They always seem
Speaker 1: to have some challenges when they say the end of
Speaker 1: the world will be in eighteen fifty eight. Wait, scratch that,
Speaker 1: I misread the you know, Holy tiles, it'll be nineteen seventeen,
Speaker 1: but definitely nineteen seventeen. Manasta has explained that by saying
Speaker 1: that the world's government's true masters, you know insert down here,
Speaker 1: whoever you think they might be, wanted to do this
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty three, two years before Watchmen publishes, but
Speaker 1: they weren't able to do it for one reason or another,
Speaker 1: call it technical difficulties. And then later in his nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four comments he said it would happen in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five, he said, what happened in nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 1: That's the same year that a widely mistranslated Nostradamis quote
Speaker 1: also was said to foretell the end of the world.
Speaker 1: Around the time of his death in nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 1: Manaske claimed that Project Blue Beam would occur in two thousand.
Speaker 1: It's twenty twenty now, a horrible year. But as far
Speaker 1: as we know, the mainstream of the world has not
Speaker 1: said Manast was right, has not said Project Blue Beam
Speaker 1: has occurred, but we'll see that not everybody on the
Speaker 1: fringes agrees.
Speaker 2: And again we are going to get into the specifics
Speaker 2: of what Serge Manask believed was going to happen or
Speaker 2: was supposed to happen, and all of those times, you
Speaker 2: know where the date kind of kept getting pushed back
Speaker 2: and pushed back. But let's jump backwards to nineteen forty five,
Speaker 2: to the year that Serge Manast was born. That's just
Speaker 2: that's just the time he was born. We're not actually
Speaker 2: going to spend a lot of hanging around in nineteen
Speaker 2: forty five. We kind of remember World War Two and
Speaker 2: it ending and everything. And then moving on up to
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties, Surge or mister Manast,
Speaker 2: he was a journalist. I mean, he was pretty legit.
Speaker 2: He was at times pretty controversial, but he was a
Speaker 2: member of the Social Credit Party back in those times.
Speaker 2: Again we said he was from Quebec, Canada. That's where
Speaker 2: he spent a lot of his life. And then in
Speaker 2: the nineteen nineties he started shifting his focus away from
Speaker 2: you know, journalism with the capital J and started writing
Speaker 2: books and books about his beliefs, books about conspiracies, essentially
Speaker 2: the New World Order was one of the main topics
Speaker 2: that he focused on, and he talks about his inspirations
Speaker 2: being one person, specifically William guy Carr. That's C. A. R. R.
Speaker 2: Who was also a Canadian.
Speaker 3: Right, William James guy Carr.
Speaker 1: He's a former Navy officer, author, noted conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 3: He is.
Speaker 1: He's kind of a lynchpin in the folklore of North
Speaker 1: American based illuminati thought. And he is also I should
Speaker 1: note he is also definitely an anti semi. I would
Speaker 1: not consider him necessarily I'm saying this very carefully. I
Speaker 1: would not consider him necessarily a rational source. But that
Speaker 1: is someone that thematically we seem an ass drawing a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of tropes from so when as
Speaker 1: founded the International Free Press Agency, and that's that would
Speaker 1: come to be where he published the.
Speaker 3: Bulk of his work in this field.
Speaker 1: He had an interview on the on a television show
Speaker 1: hosted by ufologist Richard Glynn. It may be familiar to
Speaker 1: some people. I want to apologize in advance for my
Speaker 1: butchering of the fine French language. Here Esoteri's experimental esoteric
Speaker 1: experiments in there. He is quite emphatic warning people about
Speaker 1: the rise of a one world government, and in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five he publishes what is largely considered to be
Speaker 1: his you know, his mag mopis.
Speaker 2: It's called the protocol Mmm. This is me trying to
Speaker 2: do French again, the Protocols of Toronto six. And inside
Speaker 2: this work he reveals that the Masons, there's a very
Speaker 2: specific group of them called six sixty six, and these people,
Speaker 2: for twenty years have been getting together with all the
Speaker 2: movers and shakers of the world, the most powerful people,
Speaker 2: to establish essentially the Illuminati or you know, in this case,
Speaker 2: it's referred to as the New World Order, and it's
Speaker 2: their entire goal is to control the minds of humanity,
Speaker 2: of all the people, mass mind control essentially. And for
Speaker 2: someone who truly believes this, that you know, there's some
Speaker 2: group out there that's secretly trying to put everyone under
Speaker 2: some kind of spell or mind control, you can imagine
Speaker 2: that there's there's a feeling of, you know, of fear
Speaker 2: that maybe these people know that you know, and you're
Speaker 2: talking about it publicly, so you know, whether it was
Speaker 2: true or not. Manass believed and he claimed that he
Speaker 2: was being hunted by police by other authorities for distributing
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff. What he called for his involvement
Speaker 2: in quote, networks of prohibited information, right, the stuff they
Speaker 2: don't want you to know. You can imagine that he
Speaker 2: probably felt that, whether it's true or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that is a quote from him, networks of
Speaker 1: prohibited information. That's something else. That that's something else you
Speaker 1: should keep in the front of your mind as we
Speaker 1: continue here. Think of this part as the you know,
Speaker 1: the roller coaster slowly.
Speaker 3: Up the hill.
Speaker 1: So he homeschooled his children, his son and his daughter,
Speaker 1: and then eventually, in September of nineteen ninety six, the
Speaker 1: year of his death, they were removed from his care
Speaker 1: and made wards of the state, the idea being that
Speaker 1: they had a right to receive education. Manasked himself was
Speaker 1: arrested just a few months later, December of nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 1: He spent the night incarcerated, he was released, he returned
Speaker 1: to his home, and he passed away. And the official
Speaker 1: cause is listed as a heart attack, and today that
Speaker 1: official conclusion remains that the death of surgemon Est came
Speaker 1: as a result of a combination of poor health and stress.
Speaker 1: But his supporters will argue that he was assassinated through
Speaker 1: the use of high tech intelligence agency or world order
Speaker 1: connected weapons, and that his death was either framed as
Speaker 1: a heart attack or that the heart attack itself was
Speaker 1: caused by some sort of suppressed technology, all with the
Speaker 1: ultimate end of silencing his voice and preventing him from
Speaker 1: disseminating all or part of the truth of this grand scheme.
Speaker 2: I would say, there's a tough thing to deal with
Speaker 2: right here, and it's the concept that there could be
Speaker 2: a strategy. Let's say, if you're an organized group of people,
Speaker 2: whether an intelligence agency or not, and you wanted to
Speaker 2: discredit somebody, one way to do that is to attack
Speaker 2: the home structure. That would be a smart play at least.
Speaker 2: And another thing to do is to make it look
Speaker 2: like someone dies of natural causes if you want to
Speaker 2: remove them. So, as we're saying, the rumors float around
Speaker 2: on the internet about all kinds of things with regards
Speaker 2: to mister Manass's home life and his death, and really,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a ton of background right there. But
Speaker 2: what we want to do now is take a deep
Speaker 2: dive into that which is Project Bluebeam. What was it,
Speaker 2: how did it work or how was it supposed to work?
Speaker 2: And why do some people think it's already happened or
Speaker 2: is about to happen. And we'll talk about that right
Speaker 2: after a word from our sponsor.
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. So there's a plan, right,
Speaker 1: there's always a plan. Let's walk through what Serge Manas outlines.
Speaker 1: He breaks it down into a series of phases or steps.
Speaker 1: And interestingly enough, you know, I think we've both spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time thinking about timeline here. Interestingly enough,
Speaker 1: these steps are not necessarily delineated with you know, concrete
Speaker 1: phases of time, like step one is not necessarily three years,
Speaker 1: ten years, two months, or anything like that. So the
Speaker 1: first is to discredit and or demolish the majority of
Speaker 1: what we would consider religious based archaeological knowledge. This would
Speaker 1: be accomplished again, this is this one person's argument. This
Speaker 1: would be accomplished by faking, manufacturing, or faking earthquakes at
Speaker 1: targeted points around the world. And then those earthquakes would
Speaker 1: destroy some things, but they would more importantly appear to
Speaker 1: reveal things faked discoveries at these locations. And that's monos
Speaker 1: phrase there. He says, they would be faked, fake discoveries
Speaker 1: at these locations that would fundamentally disprove existing religious doctrine.
Speaker 1: We've heard about this stuff before, you know, about maybe
Speaker 1: the early days of the Catholic Church, various documents or
Speaker 1: records being found that were considered heretical to the orthodoxy
Speaker 1: that was agreed upon at Nice or at the Council
Speaker 1: of Verms. So we know that we know that, especially
Speaker 1: older religions, find things that don't jibe with what they
Speaker 1: want the truth to be all the time. This is
Speaker 1: Surgeon monast Is just saying here, this would be weaponized.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a lot of imagery that's been associated
Speaker 2: with this concept that Manasse puts forward in Project Bluebeam.
Speaker 2: You know, everything from kind of been what you're describing,
Speaker 2: like finding numerous dead sea scrolls in various parts of
Speaker 2: the world that disprove the existing doctrines of Islam and
Speaker 2: Christianity and Catholicism and all these things. There's another version
Speaker 2: of it that's a little more sci fi that's like
Speaker 2: a two thousand and one Space Odyssey thing, where you know,
Speaker 2: a cube of some sort or a rectangle or a
Speaker 2: pylon or something as discovered that appears to you know,
Speaker 2: state somehow represent truths that go back beyond the established
Speaker 2: religious doctrines. It's just really interesting there, and it no
Speaker 2: matter what version of it you choose to go with
Speaker 2: for this, for this, for this instance, let's go with
Speaker 2: just the numerous Dead Sea scrolls version. The goal here,
Speaker 2: at least in manassview, is to discredit all of the
Speaker 2: existing religions so that we can create a new one, right,
Speaker 2: and this would be a way to do that. You'd
Speaker 2: want to get rid of the old before bringing in
Speaker 2: the new, or at least get people to doubt just
Speaker 2: enough in their current belief system so that they'd be
Speaker 2: ready or more easily swayed to pick up a new one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I propose that as we go through
Speaker 1: this we talk about some of the arguments for and
Speaker 1: against this plan, just trying to be fair, so first
Speaker 1: not to be you know, negative Nathan about this or whatever.
Speaker 1: But first, innumerable examples throughout the span of human history
Speaker 1: show that people are a not easily swayed in matters
Speaker 1: of faith. Changing your faith is such a big deal,
Speaker 1: in fact, that many religious figures are primarily famous for
Speaker 1: making that switch. Second, we know that people, even with
Speaker 1: relatively mundane opinions, people tend to dig in and double
Speaker 1: down when they're presented with something that feels like an
Speaker 1: attack or a contradiction of something we already believe. It
Speaker 1: could be anything from like which store has the best
Speaker 1: cheese steak in Philadelphia? To which is the one true God?
Speaker 1: Like people do not like changing our minds.
Speaker 3: We're wired not to do that.
Speaker 1: And second, even if you could get some people to
Speaker 1: change their opinion or their belief about something so very
Speaker 1: profound and personal, it would be virtually impossible to make
Speaker 1: every single member of any large religious movement abandoned their faith.
Speaker 1: That is something that has literally never happened in the
Speaker 1: history of the world.
Speaker 2: You know what's something that has happened. Humans have caused earthquakes.
Speaker 2: You know, Nikola Teslo tried it. He wanted it to
Speaker 2: be real. Whether or not he was fully successful, we'll
Speaker 2: never know. But we do know that man made earthquakes
Speaker 2: do happen, So you know that part of the theory
Speaker 2: here could stand up. The problem is the only, at
Speaker 2: least you know, in acknowledged or proven versions of man
Speaker 2: made earthquakes, we've only really seen it kind of happen
Speaker 2: as an accident or as a as a side effect
Speaker 2: of something else.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Like the most easily proven cases of manufactured
Speaker 1: earthquakes in the past, I would say past several years
Speaker 1: at least, have all been the unforeseen consequences of fracking.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, the if you want, if you wanted
Speaker 1: to target a specific earthquake, officially, the technology to do
Speaker 1: that doesn't exist. What suppressed technology is a whole other,
Speaker 1: a whole other badger in the bag here.
Speaker 2: Well, and the other thing is you'd have to have
Speaker 2: an earthquake occur that's so targeted to then have something open,
Speaker 2: you know, be revealed let's say whatever is going to
Speaker 2: be and then it have to be discovered too, So
Speaker 2: you'd have to do it in you know, a somewhat
Speaker 2: populated area to reveal this seing. There's just there are
Speaker 2: a lot of issues with that concept of an earthquake
Speaker 2: then disprove religion with some artifact.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's not the most straightforward plan, I'll admit, but you're right.
Speaker 1: So that is one big takeaway. Human beings are proven
Speaker 1: to be capable of creating earthquakes, just maybe not to
Speaker 1: this degree of sophistication. But second, and I'll defer to
Speaker 1: you here, Matt, because I think this is maybe.
Speaker 3: Your favorite part.
Speaker 1: Favorite's a weird term, but this is the part where
Speaker 1: almost ten years ago now you and I spent a
Speaker 1: couple hours just like just shooting the breeze about this
Speaker 1: one the first time I learned about it. And that
Speaker 1: is what has been called by Manass supporters as well
Speaker 1: as his critics, step two or phase two of Project
Speaker 1: Bluebeam the space show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the real show. This is the big deal.
Speaker 2: This is the turning point in the plot. This is
Speaker 2: the thing that makes everybody go, oh no. The concept
Speaker 2: here is that holographic technology, some kind of holograms, three
Speaker 2: dimensional images would be projected across the planet, not just
Speaker 2: in one you know city center, not just in New
Speaker 2: York or you know, Dubai. It would be everywhere, and
Speaker 2: these images would represent whatever the let's say, the primary
Speaker 2: religious figure is in a region. That's what shape this projection,
Speaker 2: this hologram would take, and they would there would be
Speaker 2: audio associated with it. So from somewhere either projected from
Speaker 2: a satellite that's generally where man Ask believed it would
Speaker 2: come from space based satellites with laser technology that's shy
Speaker 2: down essentially onto cloud cover, or just into the moisture
Speaker 2: in the air where the audio coming through would be
Speaker 2: speaking in every language depending on the region, depending on
Speaker 2: the dialect. It would be an all encompassing thing, and
Speaker 2: they would essentially say, you know, the same kind of
Speaker 2: things that were being set up in Phase one, which
Speaker 2: is the old way of thinking, is done. And then
Speaker 2: all of these various you know, prophets, God's sons of gods,
Speaker 2: whatever it is that's being worshiped in that region, it
Speaker 2: would merge down into one being, essentially one God, and
Speaker 2: this image that would be created then across the world,
Speaker 2: the same image would be the Antichrist, essentially the one
Speaker 2: symbol that would herald in the new world orders Plans.
Speaker 3: Mhm.
Speaker 1: That's correct, and it's important to note that the Antichrist
Speaker 1: here the term is what Surge is using surgemon asks.
Speaker 1: But the Antichrist that will appear to these people and
Speaker 1: this theory is not an antagonistic force. It's a force
Speaker 1: of illumination and salvation.
Speaker 3: And this is interesting.
Speaker 1: So let's go back through pros and cons right, Sokun.
Speaker 1: There's a big assumption here. We have to remember that
Speaker 1: this is being proposed, This is being sort of like
Speaker 1: ideated and then proposed in the nineties, but now in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, secularism is on the rise. Also, you know,
Speaker 1: would this thing alone, this physical light show alone, be
Speaker 1: enough to persuade someone that this is actually their God
Speaker 1: instead of some sort of mental issue of their own,
Speaker 1: some sort of even whether or not or hallucination. There
Speaker 1: are other things like what about religious figures that cannot
Speaker 1: have their form expressed.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like one of the great
Speaker 3: one of the.
Speaker 1: Great examples of that is if Project Bluebeam was attempting
Speaker 1: to sway Muslim communities, you know, what, are you going
Speaker 1: to project the face of Allah? Like do you think
Speaker 1: that's gonna work? Because that's pretty explicitly not something that
Speaker 1: any holy force would do in that belief system. But
Speaker 1: you'll also see people I think we should stop hearing
Speaker 1: mat we should say. You'll also see people claiming that
Speaker 1: there have been various tests or demonstrations of this technology already,
Speaker 1: like anything that involves light or a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: that you just see in the sky that appears anomalous,
Speaker 1: or even real world events.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah. You'll find things online that state that
Speaker 2: the attacks of September eleventh, two thousand and one were
Speaker 2: either a the Project bluebeam in action or a test
Speaker 2: run of projection technology. And while you know, we don't
Speaker 2: necessarily believe this, the concept here is that September eleven,
Speaker 2: two thousand and one was one of those events that
Speaker 2: really did change the course of history and change, you know,
Speaker 2: the way the United States and other countries viewed a
Speaker 2: lot of other countries, and it just it had a
Speaker 2: large effect. And you'll see online people saying that the
Speaker 2: planes going into the two towers were actually projections. You
Speaker 2: can find that all over the internet. You know, there
Speaker 2: are several other examples, but that's the one that I've
Speaker 2: probably seen most commonly. There are others that state that
Speaker 2: known missile tests that have been seen that were originally
Speaker 2: reported on as UFO sightings. You may remember the spiral,
Speaker 2: I forget the exact name of it, but like the
Speaker 2: portal that happened to be a couple stages of a
Speaker 2: rocket and the way it looked in the air, that
Speaker 2: was reportedly some kind of blue beam test, at least
Speaker 2: again according to online forums and several researchers. I have
Speaker 2: personally not seen anything that I would consider a full
Speaker 2: scale project blue beam test. But again, the whole point
Speaker 2: of it, if it were real, is that we probably
Speaker 2: couldn't discern whether or not it was a hologram, right, right.
Speaker 1: And this leads to this leads to the rise of
Speaker 1: deep fakes as well, because the interesting thing about localized
Speaker 1: ofs that are then shared online, either in video or
Speaker 1: still photography, is that people aren't seeing it in person.
Speaker 1: You're seeing a visual clip that purports to portray something
Speaker 1: in an accurate manner, and you know, you just can't
Speaker 1: trust it.
Speaker 3: I wish I had a better answer. You can't trust it.
Speaker 1: So if anything, people are becoming a little bit more
Speaker 1: skeptical about this stuff. So it's it's kind of an
Speaker 1: argument against this.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you're you're absolutely.
Speaker 1: Right the idea that this is all kind of a
Speaker 1: test run. But manasked to his credit, I would say
Speaker 1: says that there is a way that people will be
Speaker 1: reliably influenced by this appearance. It won't just be like
Speaker 1: the Stone Mountain laser show, which is so famous here
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Georgia, and there are you know, there are
Speaker 1: other examples aside from UFOs there. They're like specific, concrete,
Speaker 1: pretty secular examples. I know, you know one, Matt, and
Speaker 1: I've got one that actually is true, but it was
Speaker 1: drawing board fase.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, wasn't there a plan? And Ben, you'll have
Speaker 2: to forgive me, I'm pulling this from when we did
Speaker 2: our video way back in the day. But wasn't there
Speaker 2: a plan to possibly project Allah or the prophet Mohammed
Speaker 2: over Baghdad for military purposes?
Speaker 1: Yes, yep, that's correct. It was drawing board phase. But
Speaker 1: there was another plan as well, from Uncle Sam.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was.
Speaker 1: Lansdale said, hey, you guys, what if we fake the
Speaker 1: second Coming of Jesus Christ over Cuba?
Speaker 3: And they're like, why would we do that?
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, you know, to overthrow Castro.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: You could tell that probably came pretty late in their
Speaker 1: brainstorming session that day. They had gone through the heart
Speaker 1: attack gun, which will be important later. They had gone
Speaker 1: through the exploding cigars, weaponizing animals.
Speaker 2: But but you know, we're talking eighties, nineties of seventies
Speaker 2: in some cases, but it's probably closer to the eighties
Speaker 2: and nineties when these things were being discussed.
Speaker 1: Everybody's on cocaine, you know what I mean. They were
Speaker 1: probably seamlessly transitioning to talking about how great their synth
Speaker 1: albums were going to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yes, but it's also you know, there were
Speaker 2: military minds thinking about this back then, and you know,
Speaker 2: as we're going to talk a little later in this episode,
Speaker 2: the tech has only improved.
Speaker 1: Right, That's correct, So there is there is an explanation,
Speaker 1: though Manass does say that their manask does seem to
Speaker 1: acknowledge that just seeing something wouldn't be enough to swing
Speaker 1: the needle of people's minds, and that's where you poses
Speaker 1: the existence of psychotronic technology, which we've covered in the past.
Speaker 1: Psychotronic technology is essentially a Russian Soviet originated phrase describing
Speaker 1: the use of technology to amplify psychic powers. Think of
Speaker 1: like menusteric goats would be a popular fictional thing. So
Speaker 1: the idea was they would use certain types of technology
Speaker 1: to give people esp or to give people the ability
Speaker 1: to reach into the minds of others in manesque world.
Speaker 1: Project Bluebeam depends upon a Soviet built computer that would
Speaker 1: be fed with quote minute physiopsychological particulars based on studies
Speaker 1: of anatomy and electro mechanical composition of the human body
Speaker 1: and the studies of the electrical, chemical, and biological properties
Speaker 1: of the human brain, and then that every I think
Speaker 1: every single human being on the planet Earth would have
Speaker 1: a specific radio wavelength, that this computerized system would intimately
Speaker 1: know this biometric data of yours, and that it would
Speaker 1: use that to affect your reaction. That these computers had
Speaker 1: also furthermore, cut their teeth, cut their mechanical algorithmic teeth
Speaker 1: on inducing suicide.
Speaker 3: It is true.
Speaker 1: We know that in our previous research certain frequencies can
Speaker 1: affect people in astonishing and deeply disturbing ways.
Speaker 3: But for the record, we still have.
Speaker 1: Not proven the existence of the brown note, which I
Speaker 1: know is a question a lot of our fellow listeners
Speaker 1: had as soon as we mentioned that. But okay, so
Speaker 1: there we go. That's the thing they're saying. We're gonna
Speaker 1: show this huge thing in the sky that will merge
Speaker 1: and become your new God, and then we're going to
Speaker 1: make sure that you are through the use of technology.
Speaker 1: We're going to make sure that you are in a
Speaker 1: suggestible enough state that you believe it, that you experience
Speaker 1: a revelation, kind of like the god helmet, which gives
Speaker 1: one the sensation of encountering the divine. But it's weird
Speaker 1: because if it's NASA doing this, as it's commonly proposed
Speaker 1: in his theories, why would they work with why would
Speaker 1: they work with the Soviets? Especially when the USSR at
Speaker 1: the time, as far as we know, was pretty far
Speaker 1: behind NASA. In a lot of ways, it's like saying, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm Sony or a Microsoft, and I've got this
Speaker 1: great plan, but to do it, I need twelve hundred ataris.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or you know, yeah, I was just going to say,
Speaker 2: working directly with Chinese technology that's competing, Yeah, I can
Speaker 2: just imagine it. It wouldn't it wouldn't work that way,
Speaker 2: but we should we should mention here. By the way,
Speaker 2: it doesn't stop there.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: You may think, oh, wait, they're gonna use psychotronics. You say,
Speaker 2: I remember that episode, I remember that concept. Okay, that's
Speaker 2: we're just like we're spiraling down a conspiracy rabbit hole here.
Speaker 2: It feels like, well, we kind of are in a way,
Speaker 2: but it's just getting a little more complicated because there's
Speaker 2: a sub phase, a step two, like two point two,
Speaker 2: let's say, and in this concept or in this phase,
Speaker 2: the holograms are going to be used to overthrow the
Speaker 2: world order by here's a quote, setting loose millions of
Speaker 2: programmed religious fanatics through demonic possession on a scale never
Speaker 2: witnessed before, never witnessed before. It's an interesting phrase to
Speaker 2: add in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like I like.
Speaker 1: That framing, you know, because it's sort of anticipates people
Speaker 1: in the audience will say, well, I've seen you know,
Speaker 1: I've seen like three or four people possessed by demons.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's a Tuesday or in Boise, Idaho or something.
Speaker 2: And you know what, all of those demonic possessed religious
Speaker 2: fanatics are going to be hearing and the rest of
Speaker 2: us will be hearing as they're running through the streets. Oh,
Speaker 2: we can't play the rest, but you know what that is.
Speaker 2: You've heard that before, that's in your head already.
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 1: That is Beethoven's Ode to Joy, the number one most
Speaker 1: popular debut song for Antichrist as far as we know,
Speaker 1: we did the research, so you know, obviously now we've
Speaker 1: got we've got an important point that's introduced here. This
Speaker 1: has gone from the appearance of the supernatural or the
Speaker 1: divine in order to manipulate people to the existence of
Speaker 1: the supernatural. And it's a quick shift. It happens, you know,
Speaker 1: the way that a coin trick happens with a magician.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be looking at a lot of sound
Speaker 1: and fury from one side, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: monas hits you with boom. Demons are real, the devil
Speaker 1: is real, the you know, the infernal powers, or after
Speaker 1: you and your loved ones. I see that as a
Speaker 1: plot hole because it's not introduced earlier. It's it's a twist,
Speaker 1: and I know there are several plot holes here. But
Speaker 1: like you said, Matt, we do have examples of We
Speaker 1: do have examples of intelligence agencies attempting to mess with
Speaker 1: people's minds in similar ways in the past. Officially, those
Speaker 1: results are not near on this level because you know,
Speaker 1: one of the biggest plot holds to me about this
Speaker 1: is the idea that it affects every single human being
Speaker 1: on earth at once. That there are very few things,
Speaker 1: very few things, including pandemics, including nuclear weapons, that affect
Speaker 1: every single human being on earth at once.
Speaker 2: That is true. And I would say that if you
Speaker 2: could effectively convince enough people, not all people, but enough
Speaker 2: people that this kind of event is occurring, where perhaps
Speaker 2: the rapture is happening, or perhaps the you know, the
Speaker 2: religious figure that you worship every day has come back.
Speaker 2: But that religious figure is, for some reason, not what
Speaker 2: you thought it was, and therefore your religion and entire
Speaker 2: basis of belief is not what you thought it was.
Speaker 2: I can imagine that it could cause at least chaos
Speaker 2: on some level, and you know, pretty widespread chaos if
Speaker 2: you could pull that off.
Speaker 3: I see.
Speaker 1: Yes, you don't have to convince everyone. You just have
Speaker 1: to convince a significant almost and market position. But that's
Speaker 1: how it feels. You have to just say, swing a
Speaker 1: significant demographic.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing, though.
Speaker 1: When these people see this god in the sky, they're
Speaker 1: gonna hear ode to joy. But that's not all they're
Speaker 1: going to hear. They're going to hear something else. Manasse proposes.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that after a word from our sponsor.
Speaker 1: We're in the thick of it, conspiracy realists. We're on
Speaker 1: the third step of Project Bluebeam, the third phase, which
Speaker 1: would be what Manast calls telepathic electronic two way communication.
Speaker 1: This would be through the use of extremely low frequency
Speaker 1: radio waves, the conveyance of a message into people's minds
Speaker 1: such that this thing they're seeing in the sky appears
Speaker 1: to be directly speaking to them in their language and
Speaker 1: saying the same message, you know, and in any language
Speaker 1: in the world, all the way from the biggest ones
Speaker 1: like Mandarin to you know, very small dialects of isolated tribes.
Speaker 1: As you can imagine, that doesn't really hold up when
Speaker 1: you get to those smaller dialects, some of which are dying,
Speaker 1: some of which don't have any any speakers who can
Speaker 1: really translate other than the like three two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty in some cases ten people who know them. So
Speaker 1: that's a plot hole and manesse explanation doesn't. It doesn't
Speaker 1: really bear up to what we know about the technology now,
Speaker 1: and his even if we relegate it to the realm
Speaker 1: of speculation, his explanation of how this would work still
Speaker 1: leaves a lot to be desired.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's just my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it does. Conceptually, the way I understand it,
Speaker 2: it's that there would be small hidden microchips in a
Speaker 2: lot of the electronics that exist in everyday life within
Speaker 2: you know, like a city situation or a suburban situation
Speaker 2: where there's a lot of tech around. The concept is
Speaker 2: that all those things are numerous, you know, numerous technologies
Speaker 2: are going to be in some way communing, communicating to
Speaker 2: you through these essentially low frequency waves.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Maybe another thing that kind of connects back to this
Speaker 2: one is the concept that the computer is going to
Speaker 2: know everything about you, right, That's one of his major
Speaker 2: one of man asked major things is that the government
Speaker 2: is keeping track of everything you're doing, or some corporate
Speaker 2: entity or entities are keeping track of all your information.
Speaker 2: It's being stored and tracked, and then it will be
Speaker 2: used to control you by talking to you in familiar
Speaker 2: or about familiar things within your life. Maybe in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety four that's a pretty hard stretch, but if you're
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, the concept that a small handful of
Speaker 2: corporations knows a lot about your life, very specific details
Speaker 2: about your life, that's not much of a stretch at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's an excellent point, absolutely. I mean that
Speaker 1: part's one of the things as the highest likelihood of
Speaker 1: being true, honestly, for people who live, especially in very
Speaker 1: technologically dense parts of the world, you know, or who
Speaker 1: have authoritarian governments, don't don't let the big don't let
Speaker 1: big brother be out.
Speaker 5: Of the game.
Speaker 1: It's not just target that's targeting you. I could have
Speaker 1: phrased that better, but you get you know, I could
Speaker 1: have you get the drift. So there we go. Now
Speaker 1: we're at step four. Step four is the penultimate or
Speaker 1: second to ultimate part. Step four is more like four
Speaker 1: A four B four C. Manasa says. The next part
Speaker 1: is to say is to have this divine thing essentially
Speaker 1: warn people that these revelations are occurring because there is
Speaker 1: an outside enemy attacking humanity entire. An alien invasion is
Speaker 1: going to occur at every major city concurrently somehow at
Speaker 1: the same time, uh those who still cling to Christianity,
Speaker 1: which he specifically mentions Christianity at this point, He says,
Speaker 1: those who still cling to Christianity are going to be
Speaker 1: made to believe that the apture is about to occur,
Speaker 1: and then a marriage of electronic and supernatural read infernal
Speaker 1: forces will will occur such that these supernatural forces demons,
Speaker 1: you know, creatures of ill intent, will be able to
Speaker 1: travel through fiber optics, travel through I don't know at
Speaker 1: this stage, like HDMI cables, Wi Fi routers, telephone lines.
Speaker 1: Bluetooth is another one. Yeah, to penetrate all the electronic equipment,
Speaker 1: all the appliances, even unto your smart refrigerator and your fitbit,
Speaker 1: and that by then they will all have a special
Speaker 1: microchip installed allowing this to happen again. If we bracket
Speaker 1: the supernatural aspects of this. We know that for a
Speaker 1: very long time, without the public's knowledge, various tech companies
Speaker 1: were attempting to build dedicated chips or software based backdoors
Speaker 1: into their technology. That's one of the reasons why Chinese
Speaker 1: manufacturer Hue is having so much is taking so much
Speaker 1: international flak because they do at backdoors that the Chinese
Speaker 1: government can use. The thing is, they're not using those
Speaker 1: to spread demonic messages. They're using those for industrial and
Speaker 1: state level espionage, right. And you know it's foolish if
Speaker 1: you think the US and other countries aren't pressuring their
Speaker 1: own private entities to do the same thing. That's just
Speaker 1: that's day one stuff, buddy. That's how you run the world.
Speaker 2: That's right, Ben. I have to tell you just to
Speaker 2: jump away just slightly. We're talking about, you know, using
Speaker 2: all of the tech within our own homes against us,
Speaker 2: right or wherever we are using the tech against us
Speaker 2: in some way. Just in the research of this, as
Speaker 2: I was looking back through things and trying to find
Speaker 2: examples specifically of holographic technology I found. I just stumbled
Speaker 2: upon this thing and it really freaked me out. I'm
Speaker 2: just going to tell you about it really fast, just
Speaker 2: because I want you to imagine this as you're listening everybody.
Speaker 2: There's an article within Business Insider from twenty seventeen, from
Speaker 2: May thirtieth, so roughly three years ago. It's about research
Speaker 2: into using a somebody's Wi Fi signal, anybody's Wi Fi
Speaker 2: signal within a structure, and then an exterior antenna somewhere
Speaker 2: on the outside of the structure, and using this antenna
Speaker 2: to pick up the Wi Fi signal and scan the
Speaker 2: interior of a building to where you could literally see
Speaker 2: major objects or people that are within that building. And
Speaker 2: I just want to say, when we're when I'm thinking
Speaker 2: about mister Manas's vision of all of these things, all
Speaker 2: of these technologies fighting back against us, I just didn't
Speaker 2: think I would have this picture in my mind of
Speaker 2: my Wi Fi signal that I know is at all
Speaker 2: times sending out you know, energy in wavelength form, throughout
Speaker 2: my house, through me, through you know, my family's body
Speaker 2: and everything, and it could be if you had the
Speaker 2: right equipment, it could just be read like any other
Speaker 2: signal and interpreted as it bounces off of things. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I know that has really nothing to do with this.
Speaker 3: It's just.
Speaker 2: I I would have never thought to use it in
Speaker 2: that way. There are people that are paid lots and
Speaker 2: lots of money to think of ways to use the
Speaker 2: signals that are being generated, you know, on a consumer
Speaker 2: level basis, in ways that were not intended for them
Speaker 2: to be used for the benefit a lot of times
Speaker 2: for military or intelligence purposes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, one hundred percent agree. You know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like the way you can use laser too.
Speaker 1: You can aim a laser at a window, Paine, and
Speaker 1: from the vibrations of the window, pain you can tell
Speaker 1: what people are talking about inside, right.
Speaker 4: You can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can generate audio essentially.
Speaker 1: You can generate audio. Yeah, I mean all things are energy.
Speaker 1: It's arguably at a certain level, it's just a matter
Speaker 1: of translation of that energy from one form of expression
Speaker 1: to another.
Speaker 3: Which is.
Speaker 1: Sounds smart enough that I'm sure someone else set that
Speaker 1: better end earlier, But.
Speaker 3: I agree with it.
Speaker 1: This is where we Okay, so this is where we
Speaker 1: get to the new world order. These described new world
Speaker 1: order is a lot like saying chair, or cancer or candy.
Speaker 1: You know, it's an umbrella term that describes a lot
Speaker 1: of things, and sometimes people agree when they throw around
Speaker 1: this nWo term until they find out the specifics of
Speaker 1: what they're talking about. So it's important to note Monast
Speaker 1: is not just talking about a secular one world order
Speaker 1: here or one world government. He's not talking about the
Speaker 1: kind of globalist problem you might hear folks argue about
Speaker 1: a warrant against an other conspiratorial viewpoints. He's saying that
Speaker 1: all people will be required to take an oath to
Speaker 1: Lucifer to the Devil Lucifer morning Star, and undergo a
Speaker 1: ritual initiation to become members of the New World Order.
Speaker 1: Anyone who resists will encounter the following. Christian children, he says,
Speaker 1: will be kept for the purposes of human sacrifice, or
Speaker 1: they will be or they will be abused. Prisoners will
Speaker 1: be used in medical experiments. That's already happening.
Speaker 3: Check.
Speaker 1: Prisoners will be used as living Oregon banks. I know
Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't be as explicit about this, but that's
Speaker 1: already happening. Check at least in some countries. Healthy workers
Speaker 1: used in slave labor. That's already happening, that's been happening
Speaker 1: check and said that prisoners who seem like they're on
Speaker 1: the line, who say like, well, you know, Lucifer seems cool,
Speaker 1: but I'm only like ninety two percent on board, they'll
Speaker 1: be sent to re education centers where they will be
Speaker 1: have to repent on television and glorify the New World Order.
Speaker 1: Then there will be an international execution center.
Speaker 3: And then he alludes to.
Speaker 1: A classification of other people. But he never got into
Speaker 1: it before, or there hasn't been any published matter on
Speaker 1: it before that. He himself wrote, so you can see
Speaker 1: all the problems here.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there are a lot of problems there, and
Speaker 2: it reads a lot like visions of revelations from the
Speaker 2: Bible or visions of an apocalypse right where this ritual
Speaker 2: to worship Lucifer in this case, as he's described, it
Speaker 2: could be that whole six sixty sixth thing that he's
Speaker 2: already talked about with the Mason group that he's discussed,
Speaker 2: the possible that that insignia would have to be placed
Speaker 2: on the human body in some way, just that complete
Speaker 2: and utter worship of this one person or deity or
Speaker 2: whatever it ends up being in this you know, in
Speaker 2: this scenario, it sounds just an awful lot like the
Speaker 2: apocalypse that's been described elsewhere. But yeah, yeah, the problems
Speaker 2: are rampant here, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the problems are rampant. And on one thing that,
Speaker 1: of course you have to ask yourself about is where
Speaker 1: does this all come from?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Where's the provenance of manass ideas?
Speaker 3: Because they seem very out there.
Speaker 1: These are extraordinary claims, and extraordinary claims typically require a
Speaker 1: higher level of a higher burden of proof. Gotta have
Speaker 1: more evidence, right, But there's very little in the way
Speaker 1: of solid sources. In fact, Manass's original book that he
Speaker 1: published with this in France, it's very difficult to get
Speaker 1: a copy of it now. It's almost actually it's kind
Speaker 1: of impossible. You might see a couple on eBay or
Speaker 1: maybe Amazon or something uninflated price. But I would also
Speaker 1: be very very cautious. I would be I would assume
Speaker 1: that those aren't the actual books. I would assume they
Speaker 1: might be scams or maybe something being sold under false pretenses.
Speaker 3: Anyway, it's hard.
Speaker 1: To get a lot of the sources here, but we
Speaker 1: have found some interesting things about where his ideas may
Speaker 1: have come from. We don't know, if you read The Watchman,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and later encountered that in
Speaker 1: his own thoughts. As far as we can tell, he
Speaker 1: never explicitly said, you know, I got this idea from
Speaker 1: some cool fiction I read.
Speaker 3: But we also know.
Speaker 1: That right before he gave his famous lecture on Project Bluebeam,
Speaker 1: Gene Roddenberry entered the chat in a weird way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a book that was written by Joel Engel.
Speaker 2: It's about Gene Roddenberry. It's called Gene Roddenberry, The Myth
Speaker 2: and the Man behind Star Trek. It came out in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four, just before manass lecture on Project Bluebeam,
Speaker 2: which became the book, and we've got a quote from
Speaker 2: it here he goes. In May nineteen seventy five, gen
Speaker 2: Roddenberry accepted an offer from Paramount to develop Star Trek
Speaker 2: into a feature film. That's awesome. I'm glad that that
Speaker 2: whole thing happened. This is Matt off Off quote back
Speaker 2: to the quote, and moved back into his old office
Speaker 2: on the Paramount lot. His proposed story told of a
Speaker 2: flying saucer hovering above earth that was programmed to send
Speaker 2: down people who looked like prophets. Including Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So you know, we can't sit here and tell you
Speaker 2: today that Sergeman asked, like pulled anything directly from this
Speaker 2: book or from you know, maybe he heard about this
Speaker 2: story before the book came out. We cannot tell you
Speaker 2: that because we do not know. But it's definitely a
Speaker 2: pretty similar thing there from one of the great sci
Speaker 2: fi writers of our time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're very similar. They're really similar. They are
Speaker 3: very similar.
Speaker 2: But they're not holograms, Ben, But.
Speaker 1: They're not holograms, Matt. Yeah, you check a mate on
Speaker 1: that one. Brow. I will say in support of that
Speaker 1: that we know hologram technologies advanced leaps and bounds. It's
Speaker 1: just as far as we know, it's not where it's
Speaker 1: not where manass thought it was yet officially. Secondly, just
Speaker 1: from the way that this is written, the acceptance of
Speaker 1: this theory requires the acceptance of an Islamic, Judaic, or
Speaker 1: Christian worldview, the idea that the ancient former first of
Speaker 1: the Angels is indeed real, is super into technology and
Speaker 1: has spent a lot of time making an extraordinarily complicated
Speaker 1: plan with a lot of potential fail points, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 3: And also for this idea.
Speaker 1: There's a I think there's an inherent you know, it's
Speaker 1: a tool that fascism uses a lot. The idea here
Speaker 1: is that the enemy must be at the same time
Speaker 1: portrayed as immensely powerful but also inherently incredibly weak.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: This is surprisingly prevalent in manass idea of Project Bluebeam,
Speaker 1: that there is this incredibly powerful, evil supernatural force, but
Speaker 1: that it has to rely but it's so weak, it
Speaker 1: has to rely on these various other things. Also the
Speaker 1: implication that there is a tremendously good supernatural force that
Speaker 1: is tremendously powerful and in most religious world views omnipotent, right,
Speaker 1: all powerful, but that this entity itself could be laid
Speaker 1: low by technology. It's from a folkloric perspective. It is fascinating.
Speaker 1: But there is one thing we have to talk about
Speaker 1: before we end the show that we can't skip over,
Speaker 1: and it's one thing that's still still on my mind, Matt.
Speaker 1: The death of Surge benast Right. We know that officially
Speaker 1: he's a heart attack after a terrible night in jail,
Speaker 1: who's aged fifty one. You know, it's not It's never
Speaker 1: a good thing when someone gets a heart attack, but
Speaker 1: they can happen increasingly as you age, and he's in
Speaker 1: his fifties. Maybe he wasn't taking care of himself. But
Speaker 1: you remember this. Going back to Castro, when we did
Speaker 1: research on this, the CIA did significant work on a
Speaker 1: prototype heart attack gun, a point and click.
Speaker 3: Heart attack gun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's even a I remember a video of
Speaker 2: a prototype showing something very similar to that. There's all
Speaker 2: kinds of proposed intelligence agency weaponry that's been shown in public,
Speaker 2: and way more that's never been publicly acknowledged. That is
Speaker 2: for certain. That's a problem for anybody who dies basically
Speaker 2: that talks about dangerous things, because there's always the possibility then,
Speaker 2: or at least the fear that this person was killed
Speaker 2: or assassinated by a group that has whatever that technology
Speaker 2: could be. It's really a situation where it makes the
Speaker 2: end user the thinker you in this case, it makes
Speaker 2: it gives you doubt about the official story, but it
Speaker 2: also simultaneously makes you perhaps doubt the unofficial story. It's
Speaker 2: an odd situation. It creates a lot of uncertainty, I think,
Speaker 2: and to my mind, this is that's what this entire
Speaker 2: thing does. That's what Project Bluebeam does for me personally.
Speaker 2: If aliens attack, for sure of extraterrestrials of any form
Speaker 2: or creed, you know, attack the earth or invade the
Speaker 2: earth tomorrow, I'm gonna think first then it's some kind
Speaker 2: of holographic technology, just because I'm aware of this thing.
Speaker 2: And that doesn't mean I believe that's what it is,
Speaker 2: but that's what I'm That's my first thought. Is gonna
Speaker 2: be oh, Seerchman asked Project Blueberry, Project bluebe right there.
Speaker 2: I think this kind of thinking it just has that
Speaker 2: effect on the individual, perhaps.
Speaker 3: Right, And it is.
Speaker 1: You know, it is our duties human beings to question everything.
Speaker 1: It is your personal choice whether you wish to accept
Speaker 1: certain things on faith alone. Again, that's your choice. But
Speaker 1: when it comes to I mean, I mean you know it,
Speaker 1: I have to say I am definitely in the former camp.
Speaker 1: I do question most things. But also, you know, I'd
Speaker 1: be very careful to avoid being smug about people who
Speaker 1: make faith based decisions, because even if you think you
Speaker 1: are tremendously skeptical, even if you think you are an
Speaker 1: atheist and blah blah blah, I guarantee you you accept
Speaker 1: so many ridiculous things on faith. You get in that
Speaker 1: car you hop on the interstate. You're just kind of
Speaker 1: taking it as an article of faith that you're not
Speaker 1: gonna die maybe sometime, but not this time. We all,
Speaker 1: you know, we all exercise our agency in that liminal
Speaker 1: space between what is proven and what we wish to
Speaker 1: be true.
Speaker 2: This is the last thing I'm gonna say, Ben, I
Speaker 2: think this is correct. You'll have to check me here.
Speaker 2: That Monast's last before he died, his last prediction about
Speaker 2: when this whole thing would go down was in the
Speaker 2: year two thousand, the turn of the millennium. That's right, correct, Okay,
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna put these things together really fast.
Speaker 2: In that year, same year that he predicted it would occur,
Speaker 2: there was a report from Project for a New American
Speaker 2: Century that came out that said, much like Watchmen, much
Speaker 2: like what's described in Project Bluebeam, we needed a new
Speaker 2: Pearl Harbor in order to unite the people in a
Speaker 2: common in you know, at this at that point within
Speaker 2: that report, the common goal was to unite against an
Speaker 2: enemy of some sort. And of course the Project for
Speaker 2: New American Century is aimed directly at the United States,
Speaker 2: but you could imagine it being an enemy that all
Speaker 2: humanity could fight against, ie, some kind of extraterrestrial force
Speaker 2: or you know, it's something that's similar to what's described
Speaker 2: by Mineste. Just putting that out there because they put
Speaker 2: that in two thousand and we know what happened in
Speaker 2: two thousand and one.
Speaker 1: False flags are real. That's just that's an historical fact. Really,
Speaker 1: The only thing worth debating in that world or in
Speaker 1: that you know, in that area of conversation, is which
Speaker 1: things are in fact false flags. But anyone denying the
Speaker 1: existence of those sort of things right now is being.
Speaker 3: Willfully ignorant.
Speaker 2: And that is not us saying that nine to eleven
Speaker 2: was a false flag. That is I'm just saying they exist,
Speaker 2: and I will say it too. False flags are real. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, Well, I don't know, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know what to end this on. Ben that you know,
Speaker 2: the we're talking about hologram hologram technology, and I would
Speaker 2: just encourage everybody to go through use duck duck go
Speaker 2: or whatever search engine. I would, you know, encourage you
Speaker 2: to use Duck duck go because they still acknowledge our
Speaker 2: YouTube channel. But you know, look at some of the
Speaker 2: tech that's being developed right now that some of it
Speaker 2: is available, some of it is just on the cusp
Speaker 2: of being available to consumers. And at the levels that
Speaker 2: it exists right now, you can totally imagine that a
Speaker 2: projected hologram into cloud cover or just the moisture in
Speaker 2: the lower atmosphere could be a real thing.
Speaker 1: And I'd also like to hear, like to get a
Speaker 1: gauge of the optimism the pessimism amongst our fellow listeners,
Speaker 1: because I am convinced that due to longtime listeners you
Speaker 1: know this, I'm convinced that, due to hardwired physiological constraints
Speaker 1: in the human brain, there's no way we're going to
Speaker 1: get billions of people to cooperate on anything that I like.
Speaker 1: What would be something that would unite everybody? Because I'll
Speaker 1: tell you this is going to make me sound like
Speaker 1: a jerk, map, but I'll tell you if there were
Speaker 1: an actual alien invasion, everyone knew what was coming. Everyone
Speaker 1: knew that genocide was on the menu for every forget
Speaker 1: Homo sapiens, for every primate on the planet. I guarantee
Speaker 1: you right now, it is my opinion that there would
Speaker 1: be millions of.
Speaker 3: People who would be on board with.
Speaker 1: The aliens, and there were you know, they would say, look, no,
Speaker 1: it's better.
Speaker 3: They got some great points. You know, I think really
Speaker 3: we should roll out the red carpet.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know, man, I'm feeling very pessimistic nowadays.
Speaker 1: But we want to hear what you think, of course,
Speaker 1: and we want to say, like, you know, maybe we've
Speaker 1: been treating this. We don't mean to treat it dismissively.
Speaker 1: It's just that there are a lot of there are
Speaker 1: a lot of fail points for that plan, by which
Speaker 1: I mean things that could go wrong, and there are
Speaker 1: a lot of explanations that Manasse never really provided, and
Speaker 1: a lot of things that seem like leaps right. Sorry,
Speaker 1: he loves Project Bluebeam. He's had enough, so let us
Speaker 1: let us know your thoughts. As always, we hope this
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