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Speaker 2: There are two things, and we're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: and we're gonna talk about so much stuff, guys. But

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Speaker 2: water projections, vapor projections are such a real thing now,

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Speaker 2: even after five years of recording this episode in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 3: Though, what can we also say?

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Speaker 4: I mean, this was something that came up in our

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Speaker 4: on the Virgin Voyage It's True Crime Expedition, whatever you

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Speaker 1: M Yeah, So travel with us, folks, back to twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty before the only thing we're really missing from This

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Speaker 1: explanation is the phenomenal and terrifying breakthroughs in mass drone

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Speaker 1: swarm technology. This is our question, what is Project Bluebeam

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt nol

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Speaker 2: Is on an adventure today, but we'll be returning soon.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben.

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Speaker 1: We are joined as always with our super producer Paul Michig.

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Speaker 1: Control decands most importantly, you are you, You are here,

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Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: As you know, we record these episodes in advance. They

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Speaker 1: that's literally the most, and I think that was one time.

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Speaker 1: Today's episode is a classic episode. I would call it

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Speaker 1: something that we've known about for years. We've somehow never

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Speaker 1: history is being written. We are recording this on June one,

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Speaker 2: Yes it is, and our city is certainly seeing a

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Speaker 2: today we'd like to just have maybe a moment of

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Speaker 2: So switching gears here, we got another voice message, and

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Speaker 2: His name is Wayne. Wayne, you know who you are.

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Speaker 2: You've seen the title of this episode, so I'm sure

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Speaker 2: Today we are covering something that we've talked about before,

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Speaker 2: are several other examples, but that's the one that I've

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Speaker 2: probably seen most commonly. There are others that state that

436
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: known missile tests that have been seen that were originally

437
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: reported on as UFO sightings. You may remember the spiral,

438
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,719
Speaker 2: I forget the exact name of it, but like the

439
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: portal that happened to be a couple stages of a

440
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: rocket and the way it looked in the air, that

441
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: was reportedly some kind of blue beam test, at least

442
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: again according to online forums and several researchers. I have

443
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: personally not seen anything that I would consider a full

444
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: scale project blue beam test. But again, the whole point

445
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: of it, if it were real, is that we probably

446
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: couldn't discern whether or not it was a hologram, right, right.

447
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: And this leads to this leads to the rise of

448
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: deep fakes as well, because the interesting thing about localized

449
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: ofs that are then shared online, either in video or

450
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: still photography, is that people aren't seeing it in person.

451
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: You're seeing a visual clip that purports to portray something

452
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: in an accurate manner, and you know, you just can't

453
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Speaker 1: trust it.

454
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Speaker 3: I wish I had a better answer. You can't trust it.

455
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: So if anything, people are becoming a little bit more

456
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,239
Speaker 1: skeptical about this stuff. So it's it's kind of an

457
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Speaker 1: argument against this.

458
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Speaker 3: But yeah, you're you're absolutely.

459
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Speaker 1: Right the idea that this is all kind of a

460
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: test run. But manasked to his credit, I would say

461
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: says that there is a way that people will be

462
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Speaker 1: reliably influenced by this appearance. It won't just be like

463
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Speaker 1: the Stone Mountain laser show, which is so famous here

464
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Georgia, and there are you know, there are

465
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: other examples aside from UFOs there. They're like specific, concrete,

466
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: pretty secular examples. I know, you know one, Matt, and

467
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: I've got one that actually is true, but it was

468
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: drawing board fase.

469
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, wasn't there a plan? And Ben, you'll have

470
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Speaker 2: to forgive me, I'm pulling this from when we did

471
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: our video way back in the day. But wasn't there

472
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: a plan to possibly project Allah or the prophet Mohammed

473
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Speaker 2: over Baghdad for military purposes?

474
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Speaker 1: Yes, yep, that's correct. It was drawing board phase. But

475
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: there was another plan as well, from Uncle Sam.

476
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 3: Maybe it was.

477
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: Lansdale said, hey, you guys, what if we fake the

478
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: second Coming of Jesus Christ over Cuba?

479
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 3: And they're like, why would we do that?

480
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, you know, to overthrow Castro.

481
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: Right.

482
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Speaker 1: You could tell that probably came pretty late in their

483
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: brainstorming session that day. They had gone through the heart

484
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: attack gun, which will be important later. They had gone

485
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: through the exploding cigars, weaponizing animals.

486
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 2: But but you know, we're talking eighties, nineties of seventies

487
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 2: in some cases, but it's probably closer to the eighties

488
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: and nineties when these things were being discussed.

489
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: Everybody's on cocaine, you know what I mean. They were

490
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: probably seamlessly transitioning to talking about how great their synth

491
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: albums were going to be.

492
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yes, but it's also you know, there were

493
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: military minds thinking about this back then, and you know,

494
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 2: as we're going to talk a little later in this episode,

495
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 2: the tech has only improved.

496
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Speaker 1: Right, That's correct, So there is there is an explanation,

497
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: though Manass does say that their manask does seem to

498
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:56,479
Speaker 1: acknowledge that just seeing something wouldn't be enough to swing

499
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: the needle of people's minds, and that's where you poses

500
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: the existence of psychotronic technology, which we've covered in the past.

501
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: Psychotronic technology is essentially a Russian Soviet originated phrase describing

502
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: the use of technology to amplify psychic powers. Think of

503
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: like menusteric goats would be a popular fictional thing. So

504
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: the idea was they would use certain types of technology

505
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 1: to give people esp or to give people the ability

506
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: to reach into the minds of others in manesque world.

507
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: Project Bluebeam depends upon a Soviet built computer that would

508
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: be fed with quote minute physiopsychological particulars based on studies

509
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: of anatomy and electro mechanical composition of the human body

510
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: and the studies of the electrical, chemical, and biological properties

511
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: of the human brain, and then that every I think

512
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: every single human being on the planet Earth would have

513
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: a specific radio wavelength, that this computerized system would intimately

514
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: know this biometric data of yours, and that it would

515
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: use that to affect your reaction. That these computers had

516
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: also furthermore, cut their teeth, cut their mechanical algorithmic teeth

517
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: on inducing suicide.

518
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 3: It is true.

519
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: We know that in our previous research certain frequencies can

520
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: affect people in astonishing and deeply disturbing ways.

521
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 3: But for the record, we still have.

522
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: Not proven the existence of the brown note, which I

523
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: know is a question a lot of our fellow listeners

524
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: had as soon as we mentioned that. But okay, so

525
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: there we go. That's the thing they're saying. We're gonna

526
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: show this huge thing in the sky that will merge

527
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: and become your new God, and then we're going to

528
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: make sure that you are through the use of technology.

529
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: We're going to make sure that you are in a

530
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: suggestible enough state that you believe it, that you experience

531
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: a revelation, kind of like the god helmet, which gives

532
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: one the sensation of encountering the divine. But it's weird

533
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: because if it's NASA doing this, as it's commonly proposed

534
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: in his theories, why would they work with why would

535
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: they work with the Soviets? Especially when the USSR at

536
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: the time, as far as we know, was pretty far

537
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: behind NASA. In a lot of ways, it's like saying, hey,

538
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: I'm I'm Sony or a Microsoft, and I've got this

539
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: great plan, but to do it, I need twelve hundred ataris.

540
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, or you know, yeah, I was just going to say,

541
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: working directly with Chinese technology that's competing, Yeah, I can

542
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: just imagine it. It wouldn't it wouldn't work that way,

543
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 2: but we should we should mention here. By the way,

544
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: it doesn't stop there.

545
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: You know.

546
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: You may think, oh, wait, they're gonna use psychotronics. You say,

547
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: I remember that episode, I remember that concept. Okay, that's

548
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: we're just like we're spiraling down a conspiracy rabbit hole here.

549
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: It feels like, well, we kind of are in a way,

550
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: but it's just getting a little more complicated because there's

551
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: a sub phase, a step two, like two point two,

552
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: let's say, and in this concept or in this phase,

553
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: the holograms are going to be used to overthrow the

554
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: world order by here's a quote, setting loose millions of

555
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 2: programmed religious fanatics through demonic possession on a scale never

556
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: witnessed before, never witnessed before. It's an interesting phrase to

557
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: add in there.

558
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like I like.

559
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: That framing, you know, because it's sort of anticipates people

560
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: in the audience will say, well, I've seen you know,

561
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: I've seen like three or four people possessed by demons.

562
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: That's that's that's a Tuesday or in Boise, Idaho or something.

563
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: And you know what, all of those demonic possessed religious

564
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: fanatics are going to be hearing and the rest of

565
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: us will be hearing as they're running through the streets. Oh,

566
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: we can't play the rest, but you know what that is.

567
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: You've heard that before, that's in your head already.

568
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: What is that?

569
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: That is Beethoven's Ode to Joy, the number one most

570
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: popular debut song for Antichrist as far as we know,

571
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: we did the research, so you know, obviously now we've

572
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: got we've got an important point that's introduced here. This

573
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: has gone from the appearance of the supernatural or the

574
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Speaker 1: divine in order to manipulate people to the existence of

575
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: the supernatural. And it's a quick shift. It happens, you know,

576
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: the way that a coin trick happens with a magician.

577
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be looking at a lot of sound

578
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 1: and fury from one side, and then all of a sudden,

579
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: monas hits you with boom. Demons are real, the devil

580
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: is real, the you know, the infernal powers, or after

581
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: you and your loved ones. I see that as a

582
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: plot hole because it's not introduced earlier. It's it's a twist,

583
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: and I know there are several plot holes here. But

584
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: like you said, Matt, we do have examples of We

585
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: do have examples of intelligence agencies attempting to mess with

586
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 1: people's minds in similar ways in the past. Officially, those

587
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: results are not near on this level because you know,

588
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: one of the biggest plot holds to me about this

589
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 1: is the idea that it affects every single human being

590
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: on earth at once. That there are very few things,

591
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: very few things, including pandemics, including nuclear weapons, that affect

592
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: every single human being on earth at once.

593
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Speaker 2: That is true. And I would say that if you

594
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: could effectively convince enough people, not all people, but enough

595
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: people that this kind of event is occurring, where perhaps

596
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: the rapture is happening, or perhaps the you know, the

597
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: religious figure that you worship every day has come back.

598
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 2: But that religious figure is, for some reason, not what

599
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: you thought it was, and therefore your religion and entire

600
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: basis of belief is not what you thought it was.

601
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Speaker 2: I can imagine that it could cause at least chaos

602
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 2: on some level, and you know, pretty widespread chaos if

603
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 2: you could pull that off.

604
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 3: I see.

605
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: Yes, you don't have to convince everyone. You just have

606
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: to convince a significant almost and market position. But that's

607
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: how it feels. You have to just say, swing a

608
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: significant demographic.

609
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing, though.

610
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Speaker 1: When these people see this god in the sky, they're

611
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: gonna hear ode to joy. But that's not all they're

612
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: going to hear. They're going to hear something else. Manasse proposes.

613
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Speaker 1: We'll get to that after a word from our sponsor.

614
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: We're in the thick of it, conspiracy realists. We're on

615
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: the third step of Project Bluebeam, the third phase, which

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Speaker 1: would be what Manast calls telepathic electronic two way communication.

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Speaker 1: This would be through the use of extremely low frequency

618
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: radio waves, the conveyance of a message into people's minds

619
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Speaker 1: such that this thing they're seeing in the sky appears

620
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: to be directly speaking to them in their language and

621
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Speaker 1: saying the same message, you know, and in any language

622
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: in the world, all the way from the biggest ones

623
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Speaker 1: like Mandarin to you know, very small dialects of isolated tribes.

624
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: As you can imagine, that doesn't really hold up when

625
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: you get to those smaller dialects, some of which are dying,

626
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: some of which don't have any any speakers who can

627
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: really translate other than the like three two hundred and

628
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: fifty in some cases ten people who know them. So

629
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Speaker 1: that's a plot hole and manesse explanation doesn't. It doesn't

630
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: really bear up to what we know about the technology now,

631
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: and his even if we relegate it to the realm

632
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: of speculation, his explanation of how this would work still

633
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: leaves a lot to be desired.

634
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 3: Maybe that's just my opinion.

635
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it does. Conceptually, the way I understand it,

636
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: it's that there would be small hidden microchips in a

637
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: lot of the electronics that exist in everyday life within

638
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: you know, like a city situation or a suburban situation

639
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: where there's a lot of tech around. The concept is

640
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: that all those things are numerous, you know, numerous technologies

641
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: are going to be in some way communing, communicating to

642
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 2: you through these essentially low frequency waves.

643
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Speaker 4: You know.

644
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: Maybe another thing that kind of connects back to this

645
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: one is the concept that the computer is going to

646
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: know everything about you, right, That's one of his major

647
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 2: one of man asked major things is that the government

648
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: is keeping track of everything you're doing, or some corporate

649
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: entity or entities are keeping track of all your information.

650
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: It's being stored and tracked, and then it will be

651
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 2: used to control you by talking to you in familiar

652
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 2: or about familiar things within your life. Maybe in nineteen

653
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: ninety four that's a pretty hard stretch, but if you're

654
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, the concept that a small handful of

655
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 2: corporations knows a lot about your life, very specific details

656
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: about your life, that's not much of a stretch at all.

657
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

658
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: I think that's an excellent point, absolutely. I mean that

659
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: part's one of the things as the highest likelihood of

660
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: being true, honestly, for people who live, especially in very

661
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: technologically dense parts of the world, you know, or who

662
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: have authoritarian governments, don't don't let the big don't let

663
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: big brother be out.

664
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 5: Of the game.

665
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: It's not just target that's targeting you. I could have

666
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: phrased that better, but you get you know, I could

667
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 1: have you get the drift. So there we go. Now

668
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: we're at step four. Step four is the penultimate or

669
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: second to ultimate part. Step four is more like four

670
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: A four B four C. Manasa says. The next part

671
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 1: is to say is to have this divine thing essentially

672
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: warn people that these revelations are occurring because there is

673
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: an outside enemy attacking humanity entire. An alien invasion is

674
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: going to occur at every major city concurrently somehow at

675
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: the same time, uh those who still cling to Christianity,

676
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: which he specifically mentions Christianity at this point, He says,

677
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: those who still cling to Christianity are going to be

678
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 1: made to believe that the apture is about to occur,

679
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: and then a marriage of electronic and supernatural read infernal

680
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 1: forces will will occur such that these supernatural forces demons,

681
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, creatures of ill intent, will be able to

682
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: travel through fiber optics, travel through I don't know at

683
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: this stage, like HDMI cables, Wi Fi routers, telephone lines.

684
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: Bluetooth is another one. Yeah, to penetrate all the electronic equipment,

685
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: all the appliances, even unto your smart refrigerator and your fitbit,

686
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: and that by then they will all have a special

687
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: microchip installed allowing this to happen again. If we bracket

688
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: the supernatural aspects of this. We know that for a

689
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: very long time, without the public's knowledge, various tech companies

690
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: were attempting to build dedicated chips or software based backdoors

691
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: into their technology. That's one of the reasons why Chinese

692
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 1: manufacturer Hue is having so much is taking so much

693
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: international flak because they do at backdoors that the Chinese

694
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: government can use. The thing is, they're not using those

695
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: to spread demonic messages. They're using those for industrial and

696
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: state level espionage, right. And you know it's foolish if

697
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,959
Speaker 1: you think the US and other countries aren't pressuring their

698
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: own private entities to do the same thing. That's just

699
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: that's day one stuff, buddy. That's how you run the world.

700
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 2: That's right, Ben. I have to tell you just to

701
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: jump away just slightly. We're talking about, you know, using

702
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: all of the tech within our own homes against us,

703
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: right or wherever we are using the tech against us

704
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: in some way. Just in the research of this, as

705
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 2: I was looking back through things and trying to find

706
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: examples specifically of holographic technology I found. I just stumbled

707
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: upon this thing and it really freaked me out. I'm

708
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: just going to tell you about it really fast, just

709
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 2: because I want you to imagine this as you're listening everybody.

710
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: There's an article within Business Insider from twenty seventeen, from

711
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 2: May thirtieth, so roughly three years ago. It's about research

712
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: into using a somebody's Wi Fi signal, anybody's Wi Fi

713
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: signal within a structure, and then an exterior antenna somewhere

714
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 2: on the outside of the structure, and using this antenna

715
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: to pick up the Wi Fi signal and scan the

716
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: interior of a building to where you could literally see

717
00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 2: major objects or people that are within that building. And

718
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 2: I just want to say, when we're when I'm thinking

719
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 2: about mister Manas's vision of all of these things, all

720
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 2: of these technologies fighting back against us, I just didn't

721
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 2: think I would have this picture in my mind of

722
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: my Wi Fi signal that I know is at all

723
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: times sending out you know, energy in wavelength form, throughout

724
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: my house, through me, through you know, my family's body

725
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: and everything, and it could be if you had the

726
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 2: right equipment, it could just be read like any other

727
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:40,479
Speaker 2: signal and interpreted as it bounces off of things. Sorry,

728
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: I know that has really nothing to do with this.

729
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 3: It's just.

730
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: I I would have never thought to use it in

731
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 2: that way. There are people that are paid lots and

732
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: lots of money to think of ways to use the

733
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 2: signals that are being generated, you know, on a consumer

734
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: level basis, in ways that were not intended for them

735
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: to be used for the benefit a lot of times

736
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: for military or intelligence purposes.

737
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, one hundred percent agree. You know, it's

738
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: kind of like the way you can use laser too.

739
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: You can aim a laser at a window, Paine, and

740
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: from the vibrations of the window, pain you can tell

741
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: what people are talking about inside, right.

742
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 4: You can.

743
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can generate audio essentially.

744
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: You can generate audio. Yeah, I mean all things are energy.

745
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: It's arguably at a certain level, it's just a matter

746
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: of translation of that energy from one form of expression

747
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: to another.

748
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 3: Which is.

749
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: Sounds smart enough that I'm sure someone else set that

750
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: better end earlier, But.

751
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 3: I agree with it.

752
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: This is where we Okay, so this is where we

753
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: get to the new world order. These described new world

754
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: order is a lot like saying chair, or cancer or candy.

755
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: You know, it's an umbrella term that describes a lot

756
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: of things, and sometimes people agree when they throw around

757
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: this nWo term until they find out the specifics of

758
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 1: what they're talking about. So it's important to note Monast

759
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,720
Speaker 1: is not just talking about a secular one world order

760
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: here or one world government. He's not talking about the

761
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: kind of globalist problem you might hear folks argue about

762
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: a warrant against an other conspiratorial viewpoints. He's saying that

763
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: all people will be required to take an oath to

764
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: Lucifer to the Devil Lucifer morning Star, and undergo a

765
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: ritual initiation to become members of the New World Order.

766
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: Anyone who resists will encounter the following. Christian children, he says,

767
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: will be kept for the purposes of human sacrifice, or

768
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 1: they will be or they will be abused. Prisoners will

769
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: be used in medical experiments. That's already happening.

770
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 3: Check.

771
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: Prisoners will be used as living Oregon banks. I know

772
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't be as explicit about this, but that's

773
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: already happening. Check at least in some countries. Healthy workers

774
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: used in slave labor. That's already happening, that's been happening

775
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: check and said that prisoners who seem like they're on

776
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 1: the line, who say like, well, you know, Lucifer seems cool,

777
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: but I'm only like ninety two percent on board, they'll

778
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: be sent to re education centers where they will be

779
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: have to repent on television and glorify the New World Order.

780
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: Then there will be an international execution center.

781
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 3: And then he alludes to.

782
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: A classification of other people. But he never got into

783
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: it before, or there hasn't been any published matter on

784
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: it before that. He himself wrote, so you can see

785
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: all the problems here.

786
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there are a lot of problems there, and

787
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 2: it reads a lot like visions of revelations from the

788
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 2: Bible or visions of an apocalypse right where this ritual

789
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: to worship Lucifer in this case, as he's described, it

790
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 2: could be that whole six sixty sixth thing that he's

791
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: already talked about with the Mason group that he's discussed,

792
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 2: the possible that that insignia would have to be placed

793
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 2: on the human body in some way, just that complete

794
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: and utter worship of this one person or deity or

795
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 2: whatever it ends up being in this you know, in

796
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 2: this scenario, it sounds just an awful lot like the

797
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 2: apocalypse that's been described elsewhere. But yeah, yeah, the problems

798
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: are rampant here, I think.

799
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the problems are rampant. And on one thing that,

800
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: of course you have to ask yourself about is where

801
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 1: does this all come from?

802
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 3: Right?

803
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: Where's the provenance of manass ideas?

804
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 3: Because they seem very out there.

805
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: These are extraordinary claims, and extraordinary claims typically require a

806
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: higher level of a higher burden of proof. Gotta have

807
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: more evidence, right, But there's very little in the way

808
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: of solid sources. In fact, Manass's original book that he

809
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: published with this in France, it's very difficult to get

810
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: a copy of it now. It's almost actually it's kind

811
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: of impossible. You might see a couple on eBay or

812
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: maybe Amazon or something uninflated price. But I would also

813
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: be very very cautious. I would be I would assume

814
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: that those aren't the actual books. I would assume they

815
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: might be scams or maybe something being sold under false pretenses.

816
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 3: Anyway, it's hard.

817
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: To get a lot of the sources here, but we

818
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: have found some interesting things about where his ideas may

819
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 1: have come from. We don't know, if you read The Watchman,

820
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and later encountered that in

821
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: his own thoughts. As far as we can tell, he

822
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,959
Speaker 1: never explicitly said, you know, I got this idea from

823
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: some cool fiction I read.

824
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 3: But we also know.

825
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: That right before he gave his famous lecture on Project Bluebeam,

826
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: Gene Roddenberry entered the chat in a weird way.

827
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a book that was written by Joel Engel.

828
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: It's about Gene Roddenberry. It's called Gene Roddenberry, The Myth

829
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: and the Man behind Star Trek. It came out in

830
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four, just before manass lecture on Project Bluebeam,

831
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 2: which became the book, and we've got a quote from

832
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 2: it here he goes. In May nineteen seventy five, gen

833
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 2: Roddenberry accepted an offer from Paramount to develop Star Trek

834
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: into a feature film. That's awesome. I'm glad that that

835
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 2: whole thing happened. This is Matt off Off quote back

836
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: to the quote, and moved back into his old office

837
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 2: on the Paramount lot. His proposed story told of a

838
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 2: flying saucer hovering above earth that was programmed to send

839
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 2: down people who looked like prophets. Including Jesus Christ.

840
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 3: Wow.

841
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 2: So you know, we can't sit here and tell you

842
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 2: today that Sergeman asked, like pulled anything directly from this

843
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 2: book or from you know, maybe he heard about this

844
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 2: story before the book came out. We cannot tell you

845
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: that because we do not know. But it's definitely a

846
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: pretty similar thing there from one of the great sci

847
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 2: fi writers of our time.

848
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're very similar. They're really similar. They are

849
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 3: very similar.

850
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 2: But they're not holograms, Ben, But.

851
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: They're not holograms, Matt. Yeah, you check a mate on

852
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: that one. Brow. I will say in support of that

853
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: that we know hologram technologies advanced leaps and bounds. It's

854
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: just as far as we know, it's not where it's

855
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: not where manass thought it was yet officially. Secondly, just

856
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: from the way that this is written, the acceptance of

857
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: this theory requires the acceptance of an Islamic, Judaic, or

858
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: Christian worldview, the idea that the ancient former first of

859
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: the Angels is indeed real, is super into technology and

860
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: has spent a lot of time making an extraordinarily complicated

861
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: plan with a lot of potential fail points, you know

862
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: what I mean.

863
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 3: And also for this idea.

864
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: There's a I think there's an inherent you know, it's

865
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: a tool that fascism uses a lot. The idea here

866
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: is that the enemy must be at the same time

867
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: portrayed as immensely powerful but also inherently incredibly weak.

868
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

869
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: This is surprisingly prevalent in manass idea of Project Bluebeam,

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Speaker 1: that there is this incredibly powerful, evil supernatural force, but

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Speaker 1: that it has to rely but it's so weak, it

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Speaker 1: has to rely on these various other things. Also the

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Speaker 1: implication that there is a tremendously good supernatural force that

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Speaker 1: is tremendously powerful and in most religious world views omnipotent, right,

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Speaker 1: all powerful, but that this entity itself could be laid

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Speaker 1: low by technology. It's from a folkloric perspective. It is fascinating.

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Speaker 1: But there is one thing we have to talk about

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Speaker 1: before we end the show that we can't skip over,

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Speaker 1: and it's one thing that's still still on my mind, Matt.

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Speaker 1: The death of Surge benast Right. We know that officially

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Speaker 1: he's a heart attack after a terrible night in jail,

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Speaker 1: who's aged fifty one. You know, it's not It's never

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Speaker 1: a good thing when someone gets a heart attack, but

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Speaker 1: they can happen increasingly as you age, and he's in

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Speaker 1: his fifties. Maybe he wasn't taking care of himself. But

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Speaker 1: you remember this. Going back to Castro, when we did

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Speaker 1: research on this, the CIA did significant work on a

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Speaker 1: prototype heart attack gun, a point and click.

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Speaker 3: Heart attack gun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's even a I remember a video of

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Speaker 2: a prototype showing something very similar to that. There's all

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Speaker 2: kinds of proposed intelligence agency weaponry that's been shown in public,

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Speaker 2: and way more that's never been publicly acknowledged. That is

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Speaker 2: for certain. That's a problem for anybody who dies basically

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Speaker 2: that talks about dangerous things, because there's always the possibility then,

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Speaker 2: or at least the fear that this person was killed

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Speaker 2: or assassinated by a group that has whatever that technology

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Speaker 2: could be. It's really a situation where it makes the

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Speaker 2: end user the thinker you in this case, it makes

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Speaker 2: it gives you doubt about the official story, but it

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Speaker 2: also simultaneously makes you perhaps doubt the unofficial story. It's

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Speaker 2: an odd situation. It creates a lot of uncertainty, I think,

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Speaker 2: and to my mind, this is that's what this entire

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Speaker 2: thing does. That's what Project Bluebeam does for me personally.

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Speaker 2: If aliens attack, for sure of extraterrestrials of any form

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Speaker 2: or creed, you know, attack the earth or invade the

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Speaker 2: earth tomorrow, I'm gonna think first then it's some kind

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Speaker 2: of holographic technology, just because I'm aware of this thing.

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Speaker 2: And that doesn't mean I believe that's what it is,

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Speaker 2: but that's what I'm That's my first thought. Is gonna

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Speaker 2: be oh, Seerchman asked Project Blueberry, Project bluebe right there.

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Speaker 2: I think this kind of thinking it just has that

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Speaker 2: effect on the individual, perhaps.

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Speaker 3: Right, And it is.

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Speaker 1: You know, it is our duties human beings to question everything.

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Speaker 1: It is your personal choice whether you wish to accept

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Speaker 1: certain things on faith alone. Again, that's your choice. But

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Speaker 1: when it comes to I mean, I mean you know it,

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Speaker 1: I have to say I am definitely in the former camp.

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Speaker 1: I do question most things. But also, you know, I'd

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Speaker 1: be very careful to avoid being smug about people who

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Speaker 1: make faith based decisions, because even if you think you

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Speaker 1: are tremendously skeptical, even if you think you are an

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Speaker 1: atheist and blah blah blah, I guarantee you you accept

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Speaker 1: so many ridiculous things on faith. You get in that

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Speaker 1: car you hop on the interstate. You're just kind of

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Speaker 1: taking it as an article of faith that you're not

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Speaker 1: gonna die maybe sometime, but not this time. We all,

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Speaker 1: you know, we all exercise our agency in that liminal

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Speaker 1: space between what is proven and what we wish to

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Speaker 1: be true.

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Speaker 2: This is the last thing I'm gonna say, Ben, I

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Speaker 2: think this is correct. You'll have to check me here.

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Speaker 2: That Monast's last before he died, his last prediction about

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Speaker 2: when this whole thing would go down was in the

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Speaker 2: year two thousand, the turn of the millennium. That's right, correct, Okay,

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Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna put these things together really fast.

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Speaker 2: In that year, same year that he predicted it would occur,

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Speaker 2: there was a report from Project for a New American

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Speaker 2: Century that came out that said, much like Watchmen, much

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Speaker 2: like what's described in Project Bluebeam, we needed a new

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Speaker 2: Pearl Harbor in order to unite the people in a

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Speaker 2: common in you know, at this at that point within

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Speaker 2: that report, the common goal was to unite against an

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Speaker 2: enemy of some sort. And of course the Project for

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Speaker 2: New American Century is aimed directly at the United States,

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Speaker 2: but you could imagine it being an enemy that all

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Speaker 2: humanity could fight against, ie, some kind of extraterrestrial force

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Speaker 2: or you know, it's something that's similar to what's described

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Speaker 2: by Mineste. Just putting that out there because they put

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Speaker 2: that in two thousand and we know what happened in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and one.

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Speaker 1: False flags are real. That's just that's an historical fact. Really,

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Speaker 1: The only thing worth debating in that world or in

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Speaker 1: that you know, in that area of conversation, is which

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Speaker 1: things are in fact false flags. But anyone denying the

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Speaker 1: existence of those sort of things right now is being.

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Speaker 3: Willfully ignorant.

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Speaker 2: And that is not us saying that nine to eleven

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Speaker 2: was a false flag. That is I'm just saying they exist,

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Speaker 2: and I will say it too. False flags are real. Okay,

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Speaker 2: all right, Well, I don't know, I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what to end this on. Ben that you know,

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Speaker 2: the we're talking about hologram hologram technology, and I would

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Speaker 2: just encourage everybody to go through use duck duck go

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Speaker 2: or whatever search engine. I would, you know, encourage you

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Speaker 2: to use Duck duck go because they still acknowledge our

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Speaker 2: YouTube channel. But you know, look at some of the

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Speaker 2: tech that's being developed right now that some of it

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Speaker 2: is available, some of it is just on the cusp

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Speaker 2: of being available to consumers. And at the levels that

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Speaker 2: it exists right now, you can totally imagine that a

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Speaker 2: projected hologram into cloud cover or just the moisture in

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Speaker 2: the lower atmosphere could be a real thing.

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Speaker 1: And I'd also like to hear, like to get a

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Speaker 1: gauge of the optimism the pessimism amongst our fellow listeners,

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Speaker 1: because I am convinced that due to longtime listeners you

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Speaker 1: know this, I'm convinced that, due to hardwired physiological constraints

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Speaker 1: in the human brain, there's no way we're going to

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Speaker 1: get billions of people to cooperate on anything that I like.

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Speaker 1: What would be something that would unite everybody? Because I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you this is going to make me sound like

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Speaker 1: a jerk, map, but I'll tell you if there were

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Speaker 1: an actual alien invasion, everyone knew what was coming. Everyone

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Speaker 1: knew that genocide was on the menu for every forget

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Speaker 1: Homo sapiens, for every primate on the planet. I guarantee

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Speaker 1: you right now, it is my opinion that there would

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Speaker 1: be millions of.

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Speaker 3: People who would be on board with.

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Speaker 1: The aliens, and there were you know, they would say, look, no,

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Speaker 1: it's better.

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Speaker 3: They got some great points. You know, I think really

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Speaker 3: we should roll out the red carpet.

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Speaker 1: I just I don't know, man, I'm feeling very pessimistic nowadays.

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Speaker 1: But we want to hear what you think, of course,

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Speaker 1: and we want to say, like, you know, maybe we've

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Speaker 1: been treating this. We don't mean to treat it dismissively.

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Speaker 1: It's just that there are a lot of there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of fail points for that plan, by which

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Speaker 1: I mean things that could go wrong, and there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of explanations that Manasse never really provided, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of things that seem like leaps right. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: he loves Project Bluebeam. He's had enough, so let us

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Speaker 1: let us know your thoughts. As always, we hope this

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Speaker 1: episode finds you safe when doing as well as can

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Speaker 1: be possible in these days. We can't wait to hear

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Speaker 1: from you. You can find us on Facebook, you can

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Speaker 1: find us on Twitter, you can find us on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: You can also take a page from Wayne's book or

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Speaker 1: his phone book in this case if anybody who remembers

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Speaker 1: what those are, and you can call us directly.

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Speaker 2: We are one eight three three std WYTK leave us

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Speaker 2: a message, talk to us about anything. You got three

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Speaker 2: minutes to do it. Try and limit it to like,

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Speaker 2: you know, one or two, maximum three messages in a row,

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Speaker 2: just because they're a lot. We been I haven't checked

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Speaker 2: them in a while, and we're back up to like

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Speaker 2: seventy that I have to check. So you and I

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Speaker 2: need to split that up and get on it asap.

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Speaker 2: But yes, please continue to call in. We want to

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Speaker 2: hear from you.

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Speaker 3: I'll be on it. I'll be on it too.

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Speaker 2: Awesome. And if you don't want to do that stuff,

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Speaker 2: we recommend that you write to us via email because

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Speaker 2: that is still a thing. Use Proton or your old

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Speaker 2: AOL address, whatever you gotta do, send us an email.

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