WEBVTT - Divorcing From The Mob | Andrea Giovino Leaves Nothing Unsaid 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:15.400 Andrea Goveno. She is number six of ten children. She's 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:19.800 the author of Divorced from the Mob. She's a podcaster, 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:25.040 a mother, a friend. But y'all, there's more, there's a 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:31.560 lot more. Her life reads like a movie. She committed 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:36.320 her first crime when she was five years old. Tonight, 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:40.920 she's here to tell us her story. Y'all, please help me. 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:47.440 Welcome Andrea Gioveno to Zone seven. Andrea, welcome, and thank 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:48.240 you so much. 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:50.640 Oh my god, thank you for having me. 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:55.680 This is something I have just been giddy almost knowing 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:57.080 that I was going to be able to talk to 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.480 you here, and folks are going to be able to 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.400 hear your story. So I've already gave them a little 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:04.320 bit of a tease. But why don't you go ahead 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:05.919 and tell us about that first crown. 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:11.160 So, yeah, I came from a lot of poverty, ten children, 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:16.920 grew up in Brooklyn. My dad was a truck driver 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:20.000 and my mom was to stay at home mom. And 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:24.840 you know, to have ten children, you know, they couldn't 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:29.840 make ends meet, and you know, so she taught us 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:32.800 at a very young age, Like you said, at five, 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.200 I was getting up like four or five o'clock in 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:39.160 the morning with my other siblings and running out to 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:44.520 steal like doughnuts or milk or you know, they used 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:48.120 to leave the carts back then in the sixties in 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:52.560 front of the store, so just to have breakfast. 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.640 Sure, and people had milk delivered to their house and 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:59.440 left on the stoop. Yeah. So you know, with ten children, 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:00.720 y'all do had to make do. 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:03.640 You had to make do. So it was so that 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:07.640 was very comfortable. You know, when you learn things and 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:11.000 you're a product of your environment at a very young age, 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.280 you become comfortable with that because that's all you know. 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.760 And in life, you take your lead from your parents. 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:24.320 So normal parents would like not allow a child to steal. 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:28.519 But so I think that you know, when you tell 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.440 you child that that's what you're supposed to do, then 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:33.960 the child does it. No, they follow their lead. 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:37.840 Sure, and you know, it almost seems like it was 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.520 an instinct for you to keep your mouth shut, like 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:44.920 you just kind of knew that, Oh my god. 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:49.880 Yes, it's it's well in that background in the Italian culture, 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:54.040 in Italian even organized crime where I came from, because 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:58.840 basically that whole area was like that. Everything is about loyalty, 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:04.680 everything is about you know, no outsiders could come in. No, 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.680 you don't make new friends with new people. It's all 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:11.360 about that little clique of Italians that are in that 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:12.600 criminal world. 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.639 Sure. And you know I've always said this to friends 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:22.399 of mine, their Italian Southerners and Italians are very similar 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:27.520 to me. That culture of family comes first. Everything is 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:31.480 centered around food, doesn't matter what the event is. And 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:36.280 then that loyalty. There's no question that you are loyal 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:37.040 to your people. 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:41.840 Oh my god, you have to be loyal and know 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.800 your place. You know, it's about that too, And you're 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:50.400 so right. It's about food and family and friends, but 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.800 friends that are part. 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.840 Of that life, correct, yep, you know. And you know 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:59.040 it's funny because all of us grew up, of course, 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:03.600 downside and Georgia and I had one sister only that 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:08.080 moved away to the north and she married a man 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:11.400 that was a pilot and they moved to Connecticut. And 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.080 I had a great uncle that said, y'all, don't worry 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:19.919 about it, we're just infiltrating because it was just going 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.039 to be such a different world for her. Of course 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:23.320 it is. 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:26.360 I mean, I live in a different world today, you know, 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:30.520 after everything happened to me in nineteen ninety two with 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.960 my arrest. You know, facing I was charged with a RICO. 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:39.760 And if people that people that don't understand what a 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:42.680 RICO is, the best way I could explain it is 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:47.320 if that I got arrested with twenty two organized crime guys, 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:53.360 if they were charged with murder or trafficking or pornography, 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:57.000 whatever I was, I was being charged, they were being 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:57.680 charged with. 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.839 And let me just say for the record, the Feds 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.200 don't come at you with a RICO that ain't solid. 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:08.000 Exactly if the Feds I always say this, if the 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:12.400 Feds knock on your door, like I refer that on 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:17.200 my own podcast when I did a show about p Diddy, 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.640 when the Feds come, they have a solid case. 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.200 It's already done. It's already done. 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.719 Well everything they need to know that you are going 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:26.279 to jail. 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:28.760 And this is something I want you to really talk 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.840 about because when I spoke to you, even on the phone, 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.440 and honey, I could have talked to you for five hours. 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.680 But that loyalty, that thread is something that in my 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:43.080 world I also understand. And you know, in law enforcement, 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:47.039 there's that brotherhood, there's that commitment, there's that loyalty. And 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.160 I'll tell you one story because I think you'll think 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.640 it's funny. But we had one officer in our department 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.880 that had a horrible wreck and one of the female 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:58.760 officers was tending to him, waiting for the ambulance to 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:03.200 come another car that he hit. The woman was yelling 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.360 and screaming, you don't even care anything about me. You're 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:08.159 just working on him. You're not even asking if you know, 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.880 if I'm okay. And the female officer turned and she 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:16.880 very in a colorful way, told her to shut her mouth, 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.840 that that was a police officer and she was absolutely 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:22.400 going to take gary him first. And she said, and 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:27.920 I don't even like this guy, so well, you know, and. 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:33.600 That is so I appreciate that because that's exactly how 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:38.160 it was in my world. That the way you have 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:42.520 to watch each other's back because you're out in the streets, 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.600 you know, and you know you can get shot. It's 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:49.920 just as dangerous you're dealing with, you know, hardcore criminals. 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:54.719 That's how the loyalty is and the circle is in 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:58.320 the world that I come from. So it's very much intertwined. 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:01.479 And you know a lot of people say, well, you know, 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.320 she was probably connected because she was somebody's girlfriend or 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.800 somebody's wife. Honey, you were a straight up loan shark, 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:10.720 you know exactly. 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:16.680 When I recently when I did the show, I've done 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:20.200 a lot of documentaries, so the viewers could understand I've 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:24.480 been doing this for over thirty years. Like a little 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.760 bit of my background. I was on sixty Minutes. Sixty 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.240 Minutes doesn't put you on their show. They're one of 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:35.120 the most recognized news teams in this country that's got 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:39.840 such a reputable background. You know, they vet you, and 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:43.840 so I did sixty Minutes. I was, you know, did 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:47.200 Barbara Walters on the view. I've done many, many documentaries, 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:52.640 and the most recent documentary that I did was Get 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:56.000 Gotti on Netflix, which was number one in forty four 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:58.600 countries for like eight weeks. 0:07:58.320 --> 0:07:59.480 Forty four countries. 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:00.880 Come on many full country. 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:05.560 I tell you something, Diovino, let's just vet you real quick. 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:09.680 You're in a freaking Rico indictment exactly. 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:13.400 So another thing what I'm getting at is that you 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:17.080 don't get on a show like Netflix, which have some 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.280 of the best attorneys in the world, because it's all 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:22.200 over the world that they don't vet you and see 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.040 what you're back. They go back, they talk to you, 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:28.000 the prosecutors, they get the court records, the attorneys. It's 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:34.520 like a whole vetting process. So when people say, well, no, 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.400 she was somebody's girlfriend of somebody's wife, No I wasn't 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.040 arrested for that. I was arrested because I was in 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.400 the streets. Not to brag about that or not to 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:47.280 make that the highlight of it, because that's all I 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.880 knew was how to make money in the streets. And 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:56.800 that's what my story was so unique, because here she 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:00.439 is running with all these heavy hitters of high level 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.319 organized crime guys, and she's holding her own. 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:07.959 One hundred percent. And as a criminologist, you have information 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.400 that I need. I need to be able to understand 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.200 your world if I'm going to stop the next person. 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:18.480 Right, And I always say, when law enforcement of any 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:24.240 type of law enforcement, whether it would be DEA, ATF, 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.720 whatever it is, whatever agency it is, and they come 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:33.520 in and make an arrest, you bet that criminal has 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:39.640 done that crime a thousand times. Yeah, you know, that's 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.120 the first arrest, But that criminal has been on the 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:43.320 street a long time. 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:49.360 That's right, that's right, no question, it's a situation for me, 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:54.440 the way you lay everything out, your honesty, like you've 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:58.280 told me several times, ask me anything, you have no 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:02.320 reason to lie. That reminds me of John Gotti. He 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:04.960 flat said, I don't ever lie because I don't fear 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:06.479 anybody exactly. 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.720 I don't have to lie. You know, that was that 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:13.240 was my background. That was who I was. That is 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:17.520 not who I am today. And you know I've said 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.880 I've changed my life totally. That was my downfall in 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:24.800 nineteen ninety two with four kids, and you know, woke 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:28.560 me up that I lost custody of one of my 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:33.400 children because of it. And then you know, facing like 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:38.720 ten years in prison, so you know, I was just like, wow, 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.080 how did this all happen to me? And then I 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.480 got like a lot of therapy and I had to 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:49.680 dig deep down, like emotional surgery to understand who who 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.000 I was and why I chose the men I chose, 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.400 and why I chose the things I had chosen because 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.280 you know, not having an education, you know, I have 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:05.400 a seventh grade education, and then always feeling inferior to 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:11.280 people that did have an education, and I felt like 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.200 I couldn't fit in. I didn't know their language. I 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:18.800 didn't know how to speak on the level that they 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:22.400 were speaking about kids that went to college and you know, 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.280 educated themselves. I was a street kid. I was a 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.600 tough street kid, and that's who I was comfortable with. 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.480 So those were the guys I was picking to be around. 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.280 But you weren't encouraged to get an education. You were 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.800 encouraged to learn how to cook and clean and a 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:38.480 big wife. 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.679 Yeah, that's it. You know, they didn't believe in that. 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:43.160 They didn't believe in education. 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:47.040 Sure, and if you are, you know, in a family 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:52.160 where your mom's like, hey, strive for this, try to 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:56.480 you know, get you a man that's in organized crime 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.480 because he's going to make a good living. Yes, I 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.880 understand that you're going to make him. You're not probably 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:03.720 going to meet the guy from Wall Street. That's not 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:04.600 where you're hanging out. 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.280 No, that's not where I'm hanging out. That's not where 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:11.200 I'm comfortable. That's not like what I want to be around. 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.240 And let's be honest, I mean, just woman to woman, 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:17.600 you're around good looking men that have money in their pocket, 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.360 that know how to protect you, that want to show 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.480 you off. That ain't a bad life either. 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:27.440 No, it's very at the time, it's a very glamorous, 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:31.680 glamorous lifestyle. And street guys because the money comes in 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:36.120 very fast and they spend a lot. They're big spenders. Now, 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.480 the guy that goes to work, he's not going to 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.160 blow his money like that because he's working hard for it. 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.880 So the street guy is going to blow his money 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:47.720 because he knows he's going to go on the street 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:48.400 and make more. 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.720 Especially in the nineteen eighties, Baby come Home. 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:56.079 Yes, yes, you didn't have all of the technology that 0:12:56.120 --> 0:13:01.480 they have today to make arrests, you know. And then 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:08.640 once you know, in New York one Sammy Gravano, you know, 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:13.920 which was the undervorce in the Gambiano crime family, informed 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.679 became an informer that opened up the doors. I always 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:20.040 say that opened up the gates heaven that everybody after that, 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:24.920 everybody started being a government witness, Like everybody would get 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.880 arrested in like you arrest six guys, four out of 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:28.920 the six are gonna flip. 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.080 And until Sammy the Bull, I mean, he was the 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:37.600 highest ranking person that started to swim as they say, yes, well, 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:41.400 you know, I gotta say this to you because when 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:45.480 you said a little while ago that you transformed your life. 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.240 I don't want to just gloss over that, because not 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:52.760 only did you do that, but you've been able to 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:57.680 maintain that. And in my head sometimes I think about 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:02.040 you and you went from loan sharken to raising money 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:02.760 for your church. 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:07.839 And I'm you know, very very involved in the Catholic Church. 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:09.280 I give back a lot. 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.600 But think about that. I mean, that's an snl skit. 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:14.200 Do you understand what I'm saying? 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:19.240 Like not like, yes, I believe me, Am I priest, 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:23.760 show me sure, Like you know, they know my background, 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:29.600 they know who I am, and you know it's I 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:34.440 guess today, I am the person that God intended me 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.200 to be. This is who I'm supposed to be. I 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.080 help a lot of struggling women. I help a lot 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.800 of abused women. I had somebody here last night that 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:46.080 came to talk to me to my home that's been 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:51.000 getting you know, emotionally, verbally abused, just to you know, 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.560 he's an addict. And long story short, I try to 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:58.760 give my time back from the knowledge that I've acquired 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:02.560 through the years of what's sick and what healthy is. 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:08.000 And you know, a sick relationship, you know, if you 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.080 hang out with sick people, you're going to get sick. 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.200 If you hang out with healthy people, your brain will 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.520 get healthier. And that's the best way I could put it. 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.640 And with red flags, you know, like I explained to 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:22.840 this young woman that here you are a beautiful, educated woman, 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:26.160 you're a teacher, and you're putting up with this low 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.920 life talking down to you. The first time. You should 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:33.560 have done done. I'm done with you. And women a 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:37.920 lot of women think that, you know, they stay in 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.400 these types of relationships, and it could be any culture, 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:44.640 any background, it doesn't matter. You have that type of 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:46.359 abuse that goes on everywhere. 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:48.680 I was going to say, every culture does put up 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:49.640 with it, yes. 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:53.680 And you know, and then that like the guys that 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:58.120 I hung out with murderers, I mean, after they get 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:01.720 what they want. The cheaters, they cheat on their wife. 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:05.240 They'll cheat on their girlfriend when a man commits a murder, 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.920 like I'll never forget. One of the guys said to 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:12.120 me one time, if you're gonna compare a murder to cheating, 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.680 he goes, look at the comparison to us. Cheating is 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.240 making love. That's normal, Like it's no big deal. It's 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.960 like playing tennis. That's how they look at it. It's 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:27.680 not a big deal to them. 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:32.120 You sad, And as a young girl watched Crazy Joe Gallo, 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.920 you understood, Hey, this is a powerful guy. He's a 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:39.640 rich guy. He's a mover, he's a shaker. You felt 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:43.280 more comfortable in that world, even knowing what they were 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:43.920 capable of. 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:46.160 Yes, because that's what I was taught. 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.600 Of course, of course. 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.360 That's basically what I was taught. That's all I knew. 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:53.840 And there's women that are taught to stay. 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.520 Right, there's women that are taught to stay and to 0:16:56.600 --> 0:17:02.840 give these types of men the respect and power and 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.280 praise and cater to them. 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:09.040 So growing up, I heard that the Mafia guys would 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.919 take their girlfriends out Friday night and Saturday night, they 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:14.600 would take their wives out. 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:15.400 That's right. 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:18.760 One of the interviews I heard you say is that 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:22.800 y'all all went out as groups on Tuesday and Thursdays. 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.840 Because I was standing on my own, I wasn't a 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.840 girlfriend at the correct. I was a businesswoman. 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:33.560 Yep. So Sunday I figured everybody goes to church. So 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.119 my question for you is what does the Mafia do 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:37.120 on Mondays? 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:40.040 They go right back to do this same get up 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.040 get dressed and go out and get it in the 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:47.200 streets and do their crimes. Okay, that's basically what they do. 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.760 Love it because you know you've been on Get Gottie, 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:54.520 Gotdi and Son Mafia Killer. But you never change who 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:58.040 you are. You never change how you talk about the 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:02.800 people in your life. You still have great affection for 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:06.280 many of them, as you should. You talk about it 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.160 as like anybody would talk about their senior prom It's 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:10.960 part of you. 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.960 It's part of my life. It's so many years of 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:15.959 what I've experienced. 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:20.320 You know, were you hesitant at all to do these shows? 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:24.000 Thinking I don't want to give any of the secrets. 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.200 I don't want to break the code entirely. I don't 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.760 want to do anything that they would think is disrespectful. 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:34.160 No, because at the time, well, when when I got arrested, 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.399 that was my bottom and I had had like I 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:40.159 had had enough with the whole life and all, and 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:43.440 I felt like I needed to be true to myself. 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.280 I needed to heal within myself. I needed to tell 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:51.080 my story, not everybody else but me. I think that 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:55.320 with that it was working on me, working on myself. 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:59.240 So it wasn't like I was telling any of their business. 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.679 I was telling my story of what happened to me. 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:06.000 And see, I thought, even listening to you too, you 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:09.280 had an opportunity to talk about your friend. They had 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.679 a lot of people on those shows that never worked 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:16.040 with Gotti. What and his friend was involved in another family. 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.080 They were just a mafioso telling what they knew about 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.520 the general understanding. But you talked about a man that 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:24.679 you met at a bar with your sister. 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:27.119 You know when I'm when I and it's it's funny 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.639 because just this past summer, well actually I think it 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:35.840 was this September that just passed. The person that I met, 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:40.760 John Gotti through Mock Ryder just passed away. And I 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.439 was friends with him through the years. He had gotten 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:49.199 life in prison. He was up in alan Wood Federal Prison, 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:51.840 not too far from where I lived, about two hours, 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.080 so I made it a point I used to go 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:58.959 visit him a couple of times a year. You realize, 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:03.119 like they live such a fast life, and then is 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:07.359 it all worth it? Because he lost his whole life 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:10.720 living in prison like he was there thirty seven years. 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:14.080 Well, let's talk about Mark Ryder a minute, because he 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:17.159 also validated you. I mean I think that's one of 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.480 the greatest acts of friendship that I've heard, is that 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:25.240 he called publicly to say, of course she knew John 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:28.000 Gotti and John Gotty knew her. Are you crazy? 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:31.120 And you know you know you're in law enforcement. It's 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:35.720 that even he didn't care he was incarcerated. He could 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:40.040 have gotten in trouble for even being on a video 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.199 that I'm doing an interview right now and I was 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:45.880 on a podcast and I get a call from an inmate. 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:50.280 They're not allowed to do that. So he went on 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:53.120 a limb. He went out on a limb to do that, 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:57.000 to say, what, of course you knew John Gotti. You 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.399 were with me, you met him with me, you were 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:01.840 out with us all the time, you knew everybody. 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:07.239 He was gonna have your back. Yes, yes, because and 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:11.960 he's that old school, old school Mark Rider and Jean 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:14.159 Gotti and John Gottie. 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:20.600 Anthony Rappino, John, all of them them. 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:26.400 Yes, they never cooperated. And people forget John Gotti went 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:28.359 to prison for a couple of years on a murder 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.400 charge in the seventies. Never said a. 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:36.040 Word, no, no, never said a word. But then you 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.120 have these other ones. Now, if you know all these. 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:46.439 I'm right now the only female podcaster my podcast, Andrew 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:52.080 Giudino podcast. I am the only female podcaster from organized 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:57.679 crime that's out there that the other podcasters that do 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:00.920 the stuff that I talk about Italian organized crime all 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:05.760 government informers. You don't have anybody out there that's talking 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:08.720 about this stuff that isn't a government informer. 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:13.320 And you didn't just get a reco charge. You got 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:17.240 a RICO charge. You kept your mouth shut. They offered 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:18.400 you witness protection. 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:19.359 I didn't go. 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:20.800 You didn't go. 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:26.280 I didn't go. You know why I didn't go because 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:29.399 I had so much faith. Even back then, I was 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:33.479 always connected to church always. I might not have followed it, 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:37.600 but I was connected to it. And I just said, 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:40.440 we said, the guy upstairs knows when I'm gonna die. 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:43.199 I'm not going to be afraid. I'm just not afraid. 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:45.200 I'm not that kind of person to be afraid. 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:48.760 And I won't be able to understand though, Andrea, there 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:50.520 was a contract out on. 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:52.440 Oh yeah, legitimate contract. 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:55.440 No, no, legit absolutely contract. 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:57.800 They said she We're going to kill her. People went 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:01.600 to prison for it. They went to prison for that. 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:05.480 And here I am five six one hundred and twenty 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:10.119 five pounds back. Not afraid of anyone, no one. And 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:14.120 people would say when I've done these shows, are you No, 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:16.639 I'm not afraid. Why. I don't know. I'm just not. 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:20.640 You've never been afraid. I've never been afraid. 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:22.919 I'm not going to have someone take that much of me. 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:25.520 I'm not gonna have just because he's a man and 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:27.360 I'm a woman who he's going to take that much 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:29.879 of me to make me be afraid. I'm not that 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:33.359 kind of person. I'll fight to the end. I'll fight 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:34.080 to the end. 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:37.040 And before you were a member of the PTA, honey, 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:39.920 you did just that. You got into a bar fight 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:42.000 because somebody crossed one of your people. 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:45.080 Yes, absolutely, straight. 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:47.720 Up bar fight, y'all. I'm not talking about pushing and shoven. 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:51.280