1 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: Andrea Goveno. She is number six of ten children. She's 2 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: the author of Divorced from the Mob. She's a podcaster, 3 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: a mother, a friend. But y'all, there's more, there's a 4 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: lot more. Her life reads like a movie. She committed 5 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: her first crime when she was five years old. Tonight, 6 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: she's here to tell us her story. Y'all, please help me. 7 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: Welcome Andrea Gioveno to Zone seven. Andrea, welcome, and thank 8 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: you so much. 9 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you for having me. 10 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: This is something I have just been giddy almost knowing 11 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: that I was going to be able to talk to 12 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: you here, and folks are going to be able to 13 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: hear your story. So I've already gave them a little 14 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: bit of a tease. But why don't you go ahead 15 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:05,919 Speaker 1: and tell us about that first crown. 16 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: So, yeah, I came from a lot of poverty, ten children, 17 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: grew up in Brooklyn. My dad was a truck driver 18 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: and my mom was to stay at home mom. And 19 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: you know, to have ten children, you know, they couldn't 20 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: make ends meet, and you know, so she taught us 21 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: at a very young age, Like you said, at five, 22 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: I was getting up like four or five o'clock in 23 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: the morning with my other siblings and running out to 24 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: steal like doughnuts or milk or you know, they used 25 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: to leave the carts back then in the sixties in 26 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: front of the store, so just to have breakfast. 27 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: Sure, and people had milk delivered to their house and 28 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: left on the stoop. Yeah. So you know, with ten children, 29 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: y'all do had to make do. 30 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: You had to make do. So it was so that 31 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: was very comfortable. You know, when you learn things and 32 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: you're a product of your environment at a very young age, 33 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: you become comfortable with that because that's all you know. 34 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: And in life, you take your lead from your parents. 35 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: So normal parents would like not allow a child to steal. 36 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 2: But so I think that you know, when you tell 37 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: you child that that's what you're supposed to do, then 38 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 2: the child does it. No, they follow their lead. 39 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: Sure, and you know, it almost seems like it was 40 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: an instinct for you to keep your mouth shut, like 41 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: you just kind of knew that, Oh my god. 42 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: Yes, it's it's well in that background in the Italian culture, 43 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: in Italian even organized crime where I came from, because 44 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: basically that whole area was like that. Everything is about loyalty, 45 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: everything is about you know, no outsiders could come in. No, 46 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: you don't make new friends with new people. It's all 47 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: about that little clique of Italians that are in that 48 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: criminal world. 49 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: Sure. And you know I've always said this to friends 50 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:22,399 Speaker 1: of mine, their Italian Southerners and Italians are very similar 51 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: to me. That culture of family comes first. Everything is 52 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: centered around food, doesn't matter what the event is. And 53 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: then that loyalty. There's no question that you are loyal 54 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: to your people. 55 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you have to be loyal and know 56 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: your place. You know, it's about that too, And you're 57 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: so right. It's about food and family and friends, but 58 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: friends that are part. 59 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: Of that life, correct, yep, you know. And you know 60 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: it's funny because all of us grew up, of course, 61 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: downside and Georgia and I had one sister only that 62 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: moved away to the north and she married a man 63 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: that was a pilot and they moved to Connecticut. And 64 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: I had a great uncle that said, y'all, don't worry 65 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: about it, we're just infiltrating because it was just going 66 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: to be such a different world for her. Of course 67 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: it is. 68 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 2: I mean, I live in a different world today, you know, 69 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: after everything happened to me in nineteen ninety two with 70 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: my arrest. You know, facing I was charged with a RICO. 71 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: And if people that people that don't understand what a 72 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: RICO is, the best way I could explain it is 73 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: if that I got arrested with twenty two organized crime guys, 74 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 2: if they were charged with murder or trafficking or pornography, 75 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: whatever I was, I was being charged, they were being 76 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: charged with. 77 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: And let me just say for the record, the Feds 78 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: don't come at you with a RICO that ain't solid. 79 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: Exactly if the Feds I always say this, if the 80 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: Feds knock on your door, like I refer that on 81 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: my own podcast when I did a show about p Diddy, 82 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: when the Feds come, they have a solid case. 83 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: It's already done. It's already done. 84 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 2: Well everything they need to know that you are going 85 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 2: to jail. 86 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: And this is something I want you to really talk 87 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: about because when I spoke to you, even on the phone, 88 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: and honey, I could have talked to you for five hours. 89 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: But that loyalty, that thread is something that in my 90 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: world I also understand. And you know, in law enforcement, 91 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: there's that brotherhood, there's that commitment, there's that loyalty. And 92 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: I'll tell you one story because I think you'll think 93 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: it's funny. But we had one officer in our department 94 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: that had a horrible wreck and one of the female 95 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: officers was tending to him, waiting for the ambulance to 96 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: come another car that he hit. The woman was yelling 97 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: and screaming, you don't even care anything about me. You're 98 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: just working on him. You're not even asking if you know, 99 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: if I'm okay. And the female officer turned and she 100 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: very in a colorful way, told her to shut her mouth, 101 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: that that was a police officer and she was absolutely 102 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: going to take gary him first. And she said, and 103 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: I don't even like this guy, so well, you know, and. 104 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 2: That is so I appreciate that because that's exactly how 105 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 2: it was in my world. That the way you have 106 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: to watch each other's back because you're out in the streets, 107 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 2: you know, and you know you can get shot. It's 108 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: just as dangerous you're dealing with, you know, hardcore criminals. 109 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 2: That's how the loyalty is and the circle is in 110 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: the world that I come from. So it's very much intertwined. 111 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: And you know a lot of people say, well, you know, 112 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: she was probably connected because she was somebody's girlfriend or 113 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: somebody's wife. Honey, you were a straight up loan shark, 114 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: you know exactly. 115 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: When I recently when I did the show, I've done 116 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: a lot of documentaries, so the viewers could understand I've 117 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: been doing this for over thirty years. Like a little 118 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: bit of my background. I was on sixty Minutes. Sixty 119 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: Minutes doesn't put you on their show. They're one of 120 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: the most recognized news teams in this country that's got 121 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: such a reputable background. You know, they vet you, and 122 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: so I did sixty Minutes. I was, you know, did 123 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: Barbara Walters on the view. I've done many, many documentaries, 124 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: and the most recent documentary that I did was Get 125 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: Gotti on Netflix, which was number one in forty four 126 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: countries for like eight weeks. 127 00:07:58,320 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: Forty four countries. 128 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: Come on many full country. 129 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: I tell you something, Diovino, let's just vet you real quick. 130 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: You're in a freaking Rico indictment exactly. 131 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: So another thing what I'm getting at is that you 132 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: don't get on a show like Netflix, which have some 133 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: of the best attorneys in the world, because it's all 134 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: over the world that they don't vet you and see 135 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: what you're back. They go back, they talk to you, 136 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: the prosecutors, they get the court records, the attorneys. It's 137 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: like a whole vetting process. So when people say, well, no, 138 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: she was somebody's girlfriend of somebody's wife, No I wasn't 139 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: arrested for that. I was arrested because I was in 140 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: the streets. Not to brag about that or not to 141 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: make that the highlight of it, because that's all I 142 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: knew was how to make money in the streets. And 143 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: that's what my story was so unique, because here she 144 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 2: is running with all these heavy hitters of high level 145 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 2: organized crime guys, and she's holding her own. 146 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And as a criminologist, you have information 147 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: that I need. I need to be able to understand 148 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: your world if I'm going to stop the next person. 149 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: Right, And I always say, when law enforcement of any 150 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: type of law enforcement, whether it would be DEA, ATF, 151 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 2: whatever it is, whatever agency it is, and they come 152 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: in and make an arrest, you bet that criminal has 153 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 2: done that crime a thousand times. Yeah, you know, that's 154 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: the first arrest, But that criminal has been on the 155 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 2: street a long time. 156 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, no question, it's a situation for me, 157 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: the way you lay everything out, your honesty, like you've 158 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: told me several times, ask me anything, you have no 159 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: reason to lie. That reminds me of John Gotti. He 160 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: flat said, I don't ever lie because I don't fear 161 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,479 Speaker 1: anybody exactly. 162 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 2: I don't have to lie. You know, that was that 163 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: was my background. That was who I was. That is 164 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: not who I am today. And you know I've said 165 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: I've changed my life totally. That was my downfall in 166 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two with four kids, and you know, woke 167 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 2: me up that I lost custody of one of my 168 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 2: children because of it. And then you know, facing like 169 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: ten years in prison, so you know, I was just like, wow, 170 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 2: how did this all happen to me? And then I 171 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 2: got like a lot of therapy and I had to 172 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 2: dig deep down, like emotional surgery to understand who who 173 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 2: I was and why I chose the men I chose, 174 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: and why I chose the things I had chosen because 175 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: you know, not having an education, you know, I have 176 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: a seventh grade education, and then always feeling inferior to 177 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: people that did have an education, and I felt like 178 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: I couldn't fit in. I didn't know their language. I 179 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: didn't know how to speak on the level that they 180 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: were speaking about kids that went to college and you know, 181 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: educated themselves. I was a street kid. I was a 182 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: tough street kid, and that's who I was comfortable with. 183 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 2: So those were the guys I was picking to be around. 184 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: But you weren't encouraged to get an education. You were 185 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: encouraged to learn how to cook and clean and a 186 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: big wife. 187 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. You know, they didn't believe in that. 188 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: They didn't believe in education. 189 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: Sure, and if you are, you know, in a family 190 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: where your mom's like, hey, strive for this, try to 191 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: you know, get you a man that's in organized crime 192 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: because he's going to make a good living. Yes, I 193 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: understand that you're going to make him. You're not probably 194 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: going to meet the guy from Wall Street. That's not 195 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: where you're hanging out. 196 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: No, that's not where I'm hanging out. That's not where 197 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 2: I'm comfortable. That's not like what I want to be around. 198 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: And let's be honest, I mean, just woman to woman, 199 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: you're around good looking men that have money in their pocket, 200 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: that know how to protect you, that want to show 201 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: you off. That ain't a bad life either. 202 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 2: No, it's very at the time, it's a very glamorous, 203 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 2: glamorous lifestyle. And street guys because the money comes in 204 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: very fast and they spend a lot. They're big spenders. Now, 205 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 2: the guy that goes to work, he's not going to 206 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: blow his money like that because he's working hard for it. 207 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: So the street guy is going to blow his money 208 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 2: because he knows he's going to go on the street 209 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: and make more. 210 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: Especially in the nineteen eighties, Baby come Home. 211 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you didn't have all of the technology that 212 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: they have today to make arrests, you know. And then 213 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: once you know, in New York one Sammy Gravano, you know, 214 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: which was the undervorce in the Gambiano crime family, informed 215 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 2: became an informer that opened up the doors. I always 216 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: say that opened up the gates heaven that everybody after that, 217 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: everybody started being a government witness, Like everybody would get 218 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: arrested in like you arrest six guys, four out of 219 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: the six are gonna flip. 220 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: And until Sammy the Bull, I mean, he was the 221 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: highest ranking person that started to swim as they say, yes, well, 222 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: you know, I gotta say this to you because when 223 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: you said a little while ago that you transformed your life. 224 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to just gloss over that, because not 225 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: only did you do that, but you've been able to 226 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: maintain that. And in my head sometimes I think about 227 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: you and you went from loan sharken to raising money 228 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: for your church. 229 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 2: And I'm you know, very very involved in the Catholic Church. 230 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 2: I give back a lot. 231 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: But think about that. I mean, that's an snl skit. 232 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: Do you understand what I'm saying? 233 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: Like not like, yes, I believe me, Am I priest, 234 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: show me sure, Like you know, they know my background, 235 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: they know who I am, and you know it's I 236 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: guess today, I am the person that God intended me 237 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 2: to be. This is who I'm supposed to be. I 238 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: help a lot of struggling women. I help a lot 239 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: of abused women. I had somebody here last night that 240 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 2: came to talk to me to my home that's been 241 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: getting you know, emotionally, verbally abused, just to you know, 242 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: he's an addict. And long story short, I try to 243 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: give my time back from the knowledge that I've acquired 244 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: through the years of what's sick and what healthy is. 245 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 2: And you know, a sick relationship, you know, if you 246 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: hang out with sick people, you're going to get sick. 247 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: If you hang out with healthy people, your brain will 248 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 2: get healthier. And that's the best way I could put it. 249 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: And with red flags, you know, like I explained to 250 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 2: this young woman that here you are a beautiful, educated woman, 251 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 2: you're a teacher, and you're putting up with this low 252 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: life talking down to you. The first time. You should 253 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: have done done. I'm done with you. And women a 254 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: lot of women think that, you know, they stay in 255 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: these types of relationships, and it could be any culture, 256 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 2: any background, it doesn't matter. You have that type of 257 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,359 Speaker 2: abuse that goes on everywhere. 258 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: I was going to say, every culture does put up 259 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: with it, yes. 260 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: And you know, and then that like the guys that 261 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: I hung out with murderers, I mean, after they get 262 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: what they want. The cheaters, they cheat on their wife. 263 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: They'll cheat on their girlfriend when a man commits a murder, 264 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: like I'll never forget. One of the guys said to 265 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 2: me one time, if you're gonna compare a murder to cheating, 266 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: he goes, look at the comparison to us. Cheating is 267 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 2: making love. That's normal, Like it's no big deal. It's 268 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 2: like playing tennis. That's how they look at it. It's 269 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 2: not a big deal to them. 270 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: You sad, And as a young girl watched Crazy Joe Gallo, 271 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: you understood, Hey, this is a powerful guy. He's a 272 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: rich guy. He's a mover, he's a shaker. You felt 273 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: more comfortable in that world, even knowing what they were 274 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: capable of. 275 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 2: Yes, because that's what I was taught. 276 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: Of course, of course. 277 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: That's basically what I was taught. That's all I knew. 278 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: And there's women that are taught to stay. 279 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: Right, there's women that are taught to stay and to 280 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 2: give these types of men the respect and power and 281 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 2: praise and cater to them. 282 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: So growing up, I heard that the Mafia guys would 283 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 1: take their girlfriends out Friday night and Saturday night, they 284 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: would take their wives out. 285 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 2: That's right. 286 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: One of the interviews I heard you say is that 287 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: y'all all went out as groups on Tuesday and Thursdays. 288 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: Because I was standing on my own, I wasn't a 289 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: girlfriend at the correct. I was a businesswoman. 290 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: Yep. So Sunday I figured everybody goes to church. So 291 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: my question for you is what does the Mafia do 292 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: on Mondays? 293 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: They go right back to do this same get up 294 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: get dressed and go out and get it in the 295 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: streets and do their crimes. Okay, that's basically what they do. 296 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: Love it because you know you've been on Get Gottie, 297 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: Gotdi and Son Mafia Killer. But you never change who 298 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: you are. You never change how you talk about the 299 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: people in your life. You still have great affection for 300 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: many of them, as you should. You talk about it 301 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: as like anybody would talk about their senior prom It's 302 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: part of you. 303 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 2: It's part of my life. It's so many years of 304 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:15,959 Speaker 2: what I've experienced. 305 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: You know, were you hesitant at all to do these shows? 306 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: Thinking I don't want to give any of the secrets. 307 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to break the code entirely. I don't 308 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: want to do anything that they would think is disrespectful. 309 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 2: No, because at the time, well, when when I got arrested, 310 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 2: that was my bottom and I had had like I 311 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 2: had had enough with the whole life and all, and 312 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 2: I felt like I needed to be true to myself. 313 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 2: I needed to heal within myself. I needed to tell 314 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: my story, not everybody else but me. I think that 315 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 2: with that it was working on me, working on myself. 316 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 2: So it wasn't like I was telling any of their business. 317 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 2: I was telling my story of what happened to me. 318 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: And see, I thought, even listening to you too, you 319 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: had an opportunity to talk about your friend. They had 320 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: a lot of people on those shows that never worked 321 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: with Gotti. What and his friend was involved in another family. 322 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: They were just a mafioso telling what they knew about 323 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: the general understanding. But you talked about a man that 324 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: you met at a bar with your sister. 325 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 2: You know when I'm when I and it's it's funny 326 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 2: because just this past summer, well actually I think it 327 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 2: was this September that just passed. The person that I met, 328 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: John Gotti through Mock Ryder just passed away. And I 329 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 2: was friends with him through the years. He had gotten 330 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 2: life in prison. He was up in alan Wood Federal Prison, 331 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: not too far from where I lived, about two hours, 332 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: so I made it a point I used to go 333 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,959 Speaker 2: visit him a couple of times a year. You realize, 334 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 2: like they live such a fast life, and then is 335 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 2: it all worth it? Because he lost his whole life 336 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: living in prison like he was there thirty seven years. 337 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about Mark Ryder a minute, because he 338 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: also validated you. I mean I think that's one of 339 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: the greatest acts of friendship that I've heard, is that 340 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: he called publicly to say, of course she knew John 341 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: Gotti and John Gotty knew her. Are you crazy? 342 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 2: And you know you know you're in law enforcement. It's 343 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 2: that even he didn't care he was incarcerated. He could 344 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 2: have gotten in trouble for even being on a video 345 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 2: that I'm doing an interview right now and I was 346 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 2: on a podcast and I get a call from an inmate. 347 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: They're not allowed to do that. So he went on 348 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 2: a limb. He went out on a limb to do that, 349 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 2: to say, what, of course you knew John Gotti. You 350 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 2: were with me, you met him with me, you were 351 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: out with us all the time, you knew everybody. 352 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:07,239 Speaker 1: He was gonna have your back. Yes, yes, because and 353 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: he's that old school, old school Mark Rider and Jean 354 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: Gotti and John Gottie. 355 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 2: Anthony Rappino, John, all of them them. 356 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: Yes, they never cooperated. And people forget John Gotti went 357 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: to prison for a couple of years on a murder 358 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: charge in the seventies. Never said a. 359 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 2: Word, no, no, never said a word. But then you 360 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 2: have these other ones. Now, if you know all these. 361 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 2: I'm right now the only female podcaster my podcast, Andrew 362 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: Giudino podcast. I am the only female podcaster from organized 363 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 2: crime that's out there that the other podcasters that do 364 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 2: the stuff that I talk about Italian organized crime all 365 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 2: government informers. You don't have anybody out there that's talking 366 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 2: about this stuff that isn't a government informer. 367 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: And you didn't just get a reco charge. You got 368 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: a RICO charge. You kept your mouth shut. They offered 369 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: you witness protection. 370 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 2: I didn't go. 371 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: You didn't go. 372 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: I didn't go. You know why I didn't go because 373 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 2: I had so much faith. Even back then, I was 374 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,479 Speaker 2: always connected to church always. I might not have followed it, 375 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: but I was connected to it. And I just said, 376 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 2: we said, the guy upstairs knows when I'm gonna die. 377 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 2: I'm not going to be afraid. I'm just not afraid. 378 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 2: I'm not that kind of person to be afraid. 379 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: And I won't be able to understand though, Andrea, there 380 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: was a contract out on. 381 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, legitimate contract. 382 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: No, no, legit absolutely contract. 383 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: They said she We're going to kill her. People went 384 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: to prison for it. They went to prison for that. 385 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 2: And here I am five six one hundred and twenty 386 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 2: five pounds back. Not afraid of anyone, no one. And 387 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 2: people would say when I've done these shows, are you No, 388 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 2: I'm not afraid. Why. I don't know. I'm just not. 389 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: You've never been afraid. I've never been afraid. 390 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 2: I'm not going to have someone take that much of me. 391 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna have just because he's a man and 392 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 2: I'm a woman who he's going to take that much 393 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 2: of me to make me be afraid. I'm not that 394 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 2: kind of person. I'll fight to the end. I'll fight 395 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 2: to the end. 396 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: And before you were a member of the PTA, honey, 397 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: you did just that. You got into a bar fight 398 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: because somebody crossed one of your people. 399 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, straight. 400 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: Up bar fight, y'all. I'm not talking about pushing and shoven. 401 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: No talk about with John Gotty sitting there. 402 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: With John Gotti sitting there. 403 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 2: Yes, with John Gotty sitting there. 404 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: Andrea, I gotta ask you. I gotta ask you this question. 405 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: Is there times where maybe you're driving to church, or 406 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: you're shopping, or you're with your grandchildren, do you ever 407 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: say how did I get here from there? 408 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 2: I do, and I have thought that I have like 409 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 2: very strong faith. I just think that I follow that 410 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: inner voice of what I'm supposed to do. And I 411 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 2: live alone, and I am as much as I'm so outgoing, 412 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 2: I have a very close circle. I don't get close 413 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 2: to people. I'm just close to my family, my kids, 414 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 2: my grandkids. That's it. I'm not really I don't let 415 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 2: anybody in my circle, you know, and my church, the 416 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 2: people from my church that you know, I feel I 417 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 2: feel safe with. I don't trust many people. You know, 418 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 2: when they say you're blessed if you get one good 419 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 2: friend in a lifetime, that is very true, because people 420 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: turn on you. People get envious, people get jealous. I mean, 421 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 2: even within my own family, the more successful I had become, 422 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 2: the more jealous they become. You know. 423 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: That's why this podcast is called Zone seven. Atlanta has 424 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: six police owns. So when we would get together after 425 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: shifts and things like that, we couldn't come over the radio. 426 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: This was before cell phones and pagers, and we couldn't say, Hey, everybody, 427 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: we're going to go to the bar tonight. So we 428 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: would say we're going to five nine at Zone seven, 429 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: and then that kind of bled into this. There's only 430 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: a few people that I can truly count on truly trust, 431 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: actually want the best for me, are going to help 432 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: me be successful, going to kind of keep me out 433 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 1: of trouble, that kind of thing. And you're right, it's 434 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: a small circle. 435 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 2: It's a small circle, and you have to keep your 436 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: circle small. 437 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,719 Speaker 1: Yep, yep. So when you decided to write your book 438 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: so that you can inspire other peoplearticularly women, to transform 439 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: their life, what was the first thing you thought about 440 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: putting on paper? 441 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: How I got inspired to write my book. I was 442 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 2: in therapy and my therapist had said to me, write 443 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 2: down everything of your feelings from A to Z, from 444 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 2: what you can remember from your childhood and where you're 445 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 2: at now. So I started writing down things and I 446 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 2: couldn't believe when I was writing down so much trauma 447 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 2: I had experienced and went through as a child, like, 448 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 2: just so much trauma. And I decided, then when I 449 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 2: started writing all these notes down, I should write a book. 450 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 2: And then when I would say that, people very close 451 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 2: to me, even family members, oh, you're never going to 452 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: get a book out there. You have no education, you're 453 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 2: not a writer. Like the more you tell me I'm 454 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 2: not going to do it, the more I'll do it. 455 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 2: And then I had a big pause. Publisher picked me up. 456 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 2: So I think I wanted to write. I wanted to 457 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 2: write a book more so, believe it or not, for 458 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 2: women to understand, to maybe not go through what I 459 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 2: went through by choosing the bad boy, by choosing the 460 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 2: guy because he has money, you know, that lures you 461 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 2: in with the love bombing and all of that, and 462 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 2: then they change and then they're not the person they are, 463 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 2: Like stay away from the criminal, like try to stay 464 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 2: with the good guy. I wanted women to understand, because, 465 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 2: like I said, it's all cultures, not just the Italian 466 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 2: culture that there's crime in and and women don't realize 467 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: it until it's too late that you could lose your children, 468 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 2: you know, custody like which I did. I was custody 469 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 2: of one of my children and have the heartache of 470 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 2: you know, going to prison and you know, losing your 471 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 2: children that way, just by being associated with someone that 472 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 2: like that. So that's basically really why I wanted to 473 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 2: write a book. 474 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: Now, you mentioned a term love bomb that was new 475 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: to me. I have only recently heard that, and my 476 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: friend doctor Angie Arnold used it just in a sentence 477 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: like you just did, and I said, ooh, that sounds fabulous, right, Well, because. 478 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 2: What they do, it's very common. Like most of these 479 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: men are sociopath narcissistic men that have no conscience. So 480 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 2: you know they'll fall in love with you because of 481 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 2: what you look like. I was very you know. You know, 482 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 2: you look back on my pictures or whatever, young beautiful girl, 483 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 2: and what happens is that the love bombing stage. Every 484 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,479 Speaker 2: woman wants that because they're showering you with gifts, You're 485 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 2: going on a vacation. You know, they're telling you how 486 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 2: much they love you. And for me, because I didn't 487 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: get that love as a child, I never had anyone 488 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 2: hold me and tell me, oh, I love you, because 489 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 2: we would just pushed aside. I craved that. I wanted that. 490 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: I was like like, oh my god, you know he 491 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 2: loves me, Like that's what I wanted, which I never had. 492 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: So you just get caught up in that. But like now, 493 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: like with all the knowledge I've acquired and worked on 494 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 2: myself and all I could see the red flags a 495 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 2: mile away, you know, like the bullshit and all. 496 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: That sure and the line and the cheating in the 497 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: Canalvin and the colony. 498 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because when a guy comes in whether he 499 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: could be a criminal or like a legit guy. And 500 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 2: he starts doing that with the you know, love bombing 501 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 2: stage where the gifts to this, to that. That's not 502 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 2: a good guy because he he shouldn't be doing that. 503 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 2: He should be courting you in a normal manner, not 504 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: buying you like a possession. 505 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: Right. Well, it was such a powerful thing that you 506 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: said earlier. If you're with sick people, you're gonna get sick. 507 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it's the same thing if you're married to 508 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: somebody who is conting you, deceiving you, mistreating you. The 509 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: flowers in the jewelry, they don't mean anything. 510 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 2: They don't mean nothing. Every time I used to get gifts, 511 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 2: I used to call them guilt gifts because my husband 512 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 2: probably did something really bad. That's basically why he was 513 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 2: giving them. And even now my brother, one of my brothers, 514 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 2: lives like maybe two three miles away. I haven't talked 515 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 2: to him in years. This he was, you know, did 516 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 2: about nine murders, pleaded out to nine murders. The government 517 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 2: let him out, but came out of prison after cooperating 518 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 2: nine murders, and him and my ex husband and they're 519 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 2: still two sick people together. They might like make society 520 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 2: think that they're different, but they're not. That mindset, the 521 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 2: mindset of I was just saying this to somebody. If 522 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: the audience could understand when someone commits a murder, this 523 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 2: is not normal, and then they can go out and 524 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 2: eat a steak and go out and live their life 525 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 2: and they have no remorse over it. 526 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: That's associopath and you have to protect yourself from that 527 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: person mentally for your own health. 528 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 2: So I sit exactly so I stay away from them. 529 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: I don't engage, I don't go to anything. I don't 530 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 2: see him. I haven't seen him in years, and he 531 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: lives a couple of miles away. I haven't bothered with 532 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 2: him in years. I want no part of him, nothing, 533 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 2: not him or my ex. 534 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: So let's do this. Let's talk specifically about John Gottie. 535 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: Tell us about the person you knew. 536 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 2: You know a lot of people like say, oh, you 537 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 2: know what John was really about, and they made movies 538 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 2: about him and stuff like that. The John I knew 539 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: because I knew him in a setting of fun of 540 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 2: being out in the club's restaurants having a drink music. 541 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 2: I didn't see that vicious side of him. I did 542 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 2: not see that because I saw the fun part of John. Gentlemen. 543 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 2: I always say, you know, if men cursed, John would 544 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 2: be the first one to say, Hey, you got a 545 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 2: lady sitting here, mean while my mouth was worse than theirs. 546 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 2: So that but that's the best way I could explain it. 547 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 2: So if I was in a restaurant with girlfriends in 548 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: Manhattan and John walked in with a couple of guys, 549 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 2: or any of these guys like this, if you know them, 550 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 2: they'll say to the way to give me the check, 551 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 2: I'm paying the check. That's how they are. 552 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: And you know, again, growing up hearing about I was 553 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: in high school and college, and all I understood was 554 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: everybody in the neighborhood loved him. There wasn't a sex 555 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: offender in that neighborhood. There wasn't a rapist in that neighborhood. 556 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 2: They take care of the neighborhood. They take care of their. 557 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: Own exactly and too exactly right. And I think again, 558 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: like law enforcement, I understand that you know, when a 559 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: police officer shot, everybody in the surrounding counties and agencies 560 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: are coming for the funeral. Everybody around the United States 561 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: is coming, and it's the same. 562 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,719 Speaker 2: I'll tell you a story. What happened. I was in 563 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 2: my twenties. I was twenty five at the time. I'll 564 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 2: never forget. I was buying back then. If you remember, 565 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 2: you could buy a house with cash. They didn't have 566 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 2: They didn't check where your cash came from. I was 567 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 2: buying a house in Queens and the house was two 568 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty thousand, and I went to contract and 569 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 2: I put sixty thousand down a contract of cash. I 570 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 2: decided then about a month later, I didn't want that 571 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 2: house because I didn't want to stay in Queen's. I 572 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 2: wanted to move back to Brooklyn. And this is a 573 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 2: tough Irish guy that I was buying the house from. 574 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 2: He owned a couple of bars in Manhattan along Seventh Avenue. 575 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 2: His name was Patty and Patrick Marin. I'll never forget. 576 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 2: I tell him I want to get out of it. Really. 577 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 2: He says, well, you're not getting the money back. I said, 578 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 2: what do you mean, I'm not getting the money back. 579 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 2: You're not getting the money back. He wouldn't give me 580 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 2: the money back. Long story short, I said, you're really 581 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 2: sure you want to go down that road? Yeah, you're 582 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 2: not getting the money back. Okay. I go to the 583 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 2: club where all the guys I know hang out, and 584 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,919 Speaker 2: they go like this, and I don't want to mention 585 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 2: too many names, but some people are still alive. I 586 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 2: tell them the story. They said, tell me everything about 587 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,439 Speaker 2: the guy. I said, Well, he owns this bar. He's 588 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 2: got a son that works at the bar. Well, the 589 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 2: bar's in New York. At four eight four am. They wait, 590 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 2: They get the son. His name is the son name 591 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 2: was named Patty. Four guys get him coming out of 592 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 2: the bar. They said, are you Patty Mary? Yeah, your 593 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 2: father's Patrick Marrin. They get him in the car. They 594 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 2: put a gun to his head. Take me to your 595 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 2: father's house. Knock on the father's door. You don't give 596 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 2: me f and money right now, a bag of sixty thousand. 597 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 2: I don't want a scent missed. I'm gonna put a 598 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 2: bullet in your son's head right here, right now. I 599 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 2: got every cent back the next morning, I guarantee you 600 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 2: did every cent. Wait, I say, go to the club. 601 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 2: What do I owe you? You owe us nothing. We 602 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 2: take care of our own nothing. They didn't take a cent. 603 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: There you go, because Patty thought he was, you know, 604 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 1: a real tough guy. 605 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 2: Hey, didn't know anything about me, of where I came from, 606 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 2: who I was. I was buying his house. He just 607 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 2: went to He just tried to shake down the wrong person. 608 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 2: That's what happened. He shook down the royal figure. Oh 609 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 2: she's a kid whatever, you know. No, it didn't happen 610 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 2: like that. I kept saying, are you sure you want 611 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 2: to do this? You're not. He was a tough old 612 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 2: Irish guy. You're not getting a sent back. But buh, 613 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,919 Speaker 2: buh buh, I got it back. They got it back 614 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 2: to right the way that they know how to fight. 615 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: Honey. They ain't nothing to add to that story. It's perfection. 616 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: To me. That's how the real world should work. You 617 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: don't wrong somebody, and if you do, their people should 618 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: knock on your door. Listen. I have heard your podcast, 619 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: tell everybody about it. 620 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 2: So my podcast is basically about crime, all the crimes 621 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 2: that and about people. And I have guests on that 622 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 2: have done a lot of prison time, some of them 623 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 2: thirty years or more and have really true, you know, 624 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 2: hardcore stories and all facts. So if you love crime, 625 00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 2: the podcast is basically all about that. It's about people 626 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 2: that are getting out of prison that I try to 627 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 2: bring on the show. I've had correctional offices that I've 628 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 2: met up at prisons that have retired that come on 629 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:15,399 Speaker 2: my show. So the podcast is growing. I wasn't How 630 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 2: I got to do the podcast was after the Get Godie. 631 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 2: People were asking me and you know, you should do 632 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 2: a podcast, and that's how it got started. And it's 633 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 2: really been doing very well. So the podcast is just 634 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 2: my name Andrea giavino one on YouTube and if you 635 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 2: want to hear anything about crime, just tune in. And 636 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 2: I always answer when people leave me messages. I always 637 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 2: for the subscribers, I always answer them back. 638 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: Always unbelievable. Well, it is an outstanding podcast, I'm telling you. 639 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: And to get the stories that you're getting on tape, 640 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: I think is just part of American history and it's 641 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: an important part. I've always said and I'm going to 642 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: say it again. I think the Smithsonian should have an 643 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: entire building to true crime and the way it tells 644 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: the story of America. 645 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, and what it is also women like 646 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 2: that that genre. Even when I started my podcast, I 647 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 2: got a lot of I still had to fight. I 648 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 2: got a lot of negative feedback from the men because 649 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 2: they just can't handle a woman like me, you know, 650 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 2: coming into their world now doing a podcast from big podcasters, 651 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 2: you know, you know which I'll put out this, Sammy Gravano, 652 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 2: Michael Francis. You know, they all wanted to knock me 653 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 2: because they were a little bit threatened. Oh she's coming 654 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,720 Speaker 2: into this world now. And I just kept going and going, 655 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 2: and I continue to go, and I'm not going to 656 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 2: have them stop me. My stories are real. The people 657 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 2: I have on a vouch for me. I had a guy, 658 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,280 Speaker 2: George Mortorano did thirty three years, he did two years 659 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,720 Speaker 2: incarcerated with John Gotti, and just so happened, John Gotty 660 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 2: had talked about me when he was incarcerated, about just 661 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 2: when we were on the streets. So people vouched for me, 662 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 2: validated me, and these other guys try to knock me. 663 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,280 Speaker 1: Well, I will say this. I heard one person saying 664 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: I never heard of her. Okay, Well let me just 665 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: respond to that the only way that I know how. 666 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: In my world, I can tell you the top drug 667 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: dealers in Atlanta. I can also tell you the street 668 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: level folks. That's my job to know who you are. 669 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 1: There is no way a beautiful, blondheaded Bombshelle is running 670 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 1: any kind of loan, sharken that he didn't hear about. 671 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 2: That exactly exactly? How do you not know that? 672 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: Ain't no way you don't know it. So but listen, 673 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. I have enjoyed all of your stories, 674 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: all of your information. I appreciate your honesty and your 675 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: willingness to come and talk to us. 676 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I'm honored that you, 677 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 2: in the background that you come from, want to interview 678 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 2: me because I love it. I think it's great. I 679 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 2: think it's a growth for you to understand who we are. 680 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: Listen, you said something that not only did I agree 681 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: with it, but I thought, Lord, everybody needs to hear it. 682 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: When people were saying, oh John God, he got took 683 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 1: down because he was on Time magazine, you said that 684 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,359 Speaker 1: didn't happen that way. You said, law enforcement brought him 685 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: down and credit should be given. They took their time. 686 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,399 Speaker 1: It's the same reason we know who you are. They 687 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,399 Speaker 1: took their time and got you, and. 688 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 2: I feel that way in the bottom that's what they did. 689 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 2: They did that job, I said, and they did it 690 00:40:58,719 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 2: damn well. 691 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 1: And you know, there's no reason to be disrespectful on 692 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 1: either side. You have gifts and you have things you 693 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: can teach law enforcement and they need to hear it, 694 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: just like you know the movie like Catch Me if 695 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: you can, you need to hear from Avang Gale you do. 696 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,760 Speaker 1: There's things we don't know. We are always behind. 697 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 2: You are always behind. You don't know because you don't 698 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 2: know the criminal mind, and they wait for people to 699 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 2: cooperate to tell them. But if you have a step 700 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 2: ahead of that and understand how the criminal mind works, 701 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 2: you'd be ten steps ahead. 702 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 1: That's right. There's only a couple of things where this 703 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: is not the case, and like child molesters would be one. 704 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: But the way I try to do my job is 705 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: you remember the old cartoon with the sheep dog and 706 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: the fox trying to get the chickens or sheep or whatever. Okay, 707 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 1: And at the end of the day they would clock 708 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 1: out and say, okay, see tomorrow. I feel like you know, 709 00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 1: that drug dealer's got a job, that prostitute's got a job, awhile, 710 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,240 Speaker 1: and you know I'm not gonna be disrespectful to theirs, 711 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,359 Speaker 1: and you know see tomorrow. You know That's the way 712 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 1: I see it. 713 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 2: You have to put yourself into that criminal mind of 714 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 2: what's gonna happen next, what are they gonna do next, 715 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 2: so you don't have to wait to get an arrest 716 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 2: that they might beat the case. You want to win 717 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 2: your case. 718 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Well, I appreciate you, and this 719 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: was fabulous and I hope we get to talk again, 720 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 1: of course. 721 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 2: And anything you ever need to ask or whatever, you 722 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 2: have my number to call me. It was a pleasure 723 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 2: talking to you. 724 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. 725 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 2: Hey, and if you're ever in New York, contact me. 726 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 2: You could come on the show. 727 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,840 Speaker 1: Oh, count on that you That would be fantastic. Thank you, 728 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, y'all. I'm going to end Zone 729 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,760 Speaker 1: seven the way that I always do with a quote, 730 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: everybody's a gangster until a gangster walks in the room, 731 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: John Gottie. I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is Own seven.