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Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang. On today's show, Can this team please

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Speaker 1: win a home game? It's been much, much too long.

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Speaker 1: It's been even longer since the Cardinals ended a regular

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Speaker 1: season at home. Sunday won't be easy. Despite how the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks have played this season, they still have Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode five twenty two, and it

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Speaker 1: starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with Craig Grigolou

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Speaker 1: and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyunday,

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Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Visit Easy Cardinals dot com Slash podcasts. Going for Hopkins

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Speaker 1: one hand to catch in a touchdown? DeAndre Hopkins. Here's

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Speaker 1: Craig Griolou and Mike Jarecki. So quick question for you, MJ.

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Speaker 1: Was it warm enough for you at practice this today?

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Speaker 1: It was? I mean, I've been wearing a Cardinal's jacket

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Speaker 1: over the last week or so. It wasn't as cold

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Speaker 1: sun because I got some trees over there and they

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Speaker 1: It was nice to see James Connor out there and

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Speaker 1: Rondel Moore in the entire offensive line. It was nice

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Speaker 1: to see. And we'll get into some of the details

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure we'll wait for the injury report, but

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Speaker 1: it wasn't as long as yesterday when it came to

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Morning, you know, Benjamin. Yeah, four players did not

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Speaker 1: practice on Wednesday, but because of rest, and they were

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Speaker 1: all back on Thursday. Now full disclosure, Bird Gang. We

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Speaker 1: are entering new protocols with respects to practice as far

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Speaker 1: as the number of media members that are allowed to watch.

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Speaker 1: That's why MJ was out there earlier. I was not,

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Speaker 1: and that's going to happen because hey, this team is

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Speaker 1: winning and you'd expect higher attendance from the media once

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Speaker 1: this team gets into the postseason. But already this is

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Speaker 1: a big week. It's week eighteen. We've never had a

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Speaker 1: Week eighteen. Yeah, well, you're nice enough to let me

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Speaker 1: go so we can flip next week. I think it's

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Speaker 1: going to be a zoo next week. First playoff appearance

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Speaker 1: for the Cardinals since twenty fifteen. But getting back to

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Speaker 1: what we saw, what you saw on Thursday again, no

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Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds and we know now that it's a rib

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Speaker 1: Zach Allen, Jordan Phillips, according to Darren Urban seen working

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Speaker 1: this up, Allan is two days of practice last week,

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Speaker 1: So that doesn't worry me too much about Zack Allen,

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Speaker 1: Thursday practicing, so that trends well. But again getting back

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Speaker 1: You could see his football IQ. Now. I was told

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Speaker 1: And I think the whole idea of signing Brilon was

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Speaker 1: will get to the matchup and Russell Wilson in a moment.

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Speaker 1: But Week eighteen allows the Arizona Cardinals another opportunity to

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Speaker 1: I looked it up. They have not won at State Farm,

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Speaker 1: stating we know about the four game losing streak, but

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Speaker 1: Kyler missed two of those road games, so not that.

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Speaker 1: They deserve to see this team win with their own eyes.

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Speaker 1: For those that are going to be at State Farm Stadium. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and normally you would always have a pro Seahawks crowding.

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Speaker 1: Normally they've played them on Thursday night or a Sunday

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Speaker 1: again points a lout as number one, but is there

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Speaker 1: a correlation and how well a team does as far

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Speaker 1: as scoring points if they're running the ball effectively. Maybe

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Speaker 1: not so much the yards but yards per carry, which

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Speaker 1: we always point to here on Cardinals Cover two presented

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Speaker 1: by Hounday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, because if

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Speaker 1: you do have a team that is running four or

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Speaker 1: five yards a pop, that moves the ball down field

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Speaker 1: and then ultimately hopefully scoring points touchdowns or field goals.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's again, I don't know if there's an

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Speaker 1: exact answer. But and the other thing is when this

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Speaker 1: team is playing well as it has, you know, you're

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Speaker 1: praising them and you're alloy where can we get better?

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Speaker 1: And then that's when you start looking at some of

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Speaker 1: the numbers and well, this number is good and that's gummer. Well, hey,

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Speaker 1: this right here, this is an isore rush defense. So

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Speaker 1: let's talk about that. Just like Kylin Murray when you know, hey,

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Speaker 1: you guys played cleanball. You didn't turn it over. But

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Speaker 1: he said, listen, we went two for four in the

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Speaker 1: red zone, and we looked at Andy I'm sorry, we

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Speaker 1: looked at Matt Prador's kicks and are like extra points

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Speaker 1: and that that's got to change. When you get to

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Speaker 1: the post. You got to take advantage when you get

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Speaker 1: down there. And obviously getting Connor back hopefully and chasing

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Speaker 1: the postseason Kyler, and we know that there's some matchups

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Speaker 1: he likes when he gets down to the five yard line.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, but I just the way I look at

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Speaker 1: this is, I mean, I'm looking at rashot Penny's last

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Speaker 1: or three of his last four games. He's he's been

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Speaker 1: on a roll and when he's been healthy and he's

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Speaker 1: finally healthy, but he's rushed for at least one hundred

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Speaker 1: and thirty five yards and three of the last four games,

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Speaker 1: averaging nearly seven yards a carry, with five touchdowns. That's

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Speaker 1: incredible and now all of a sudden, Yeah, I do

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Speaker 1: think he's priority number one as far as one. Let's

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Speaker 1: keep Russell Wilson in the pocket because he's more dangerous out.

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Speaker 1: But you want to be able to limit the effectiveness

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Speaker 1: of a Rashad Penny and take away the run and

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Speaker 1: force a Russell Wilson to throw the football more than

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Speaker 1: maybe he would prefer to. Yeah, going back to the

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Speaker 1: Bears game, Wilson was sixteen for twenty seven hundred and

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Speaker 1: eighty one. He had two touchdowns. Penny was seventeen for

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Speaker 1: one thirty five average close to eight yards of pop.

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Speaker 1: Had a thirty two yard running He had a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just looking at a couple of games. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem like they target him a lot in the

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Speaker 1: receiving game. I know his all purpose chards put him

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Speaker 1: over at the top last week would based on his rushing,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean what he did last week was remarkable.

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Speaker 1: And you know they paid a lot of money to

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Speaker 1: Chris Carson and shot Penny is a former first round

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Speaker 1: pick just hasn't been able to stay healthy. Well, you

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Speaker 1: go back to that first Penny, he only had two

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Speaker 1: carries from nineteen yards ended up getting hurts. Alex Collins

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Speaker 1: was the starter that game. He's now on injured reserve,

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Speaker 1: and Penny, with Adrian Peterson not available, is getting the

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Speaker 1: opportunity once again. Maybe he's getting a second opportunity with

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks to show what he can do, and all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, the talk in Seattle is, well, maybe

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Speaker 1: Penny is the answer at running back for next season

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Speaker 1: and maybe for several seasons beyond. Because last week a

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Speaker 1: career high one hundred and seventy yards one hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty four in the first half. So he's been playing very,

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Speaker 1: very well. And now if you're the Cardinals defense and

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Speaker 1: those defensive players, especially on the defensive line, yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: showing up on the film and you're not worried about it,

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Speaker 1: but you're thinking, Okay, this is the guy that we

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Speaker 1: need to focus on to make this Seahawks team one dimensional. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: twenty five for one seventy six point eight. He got

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Speaker 1: a thirty seven yard run, two touched on, but he

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Speaker 1: was only targeted three times in the past game two

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Speaker 1: catches for fifteen yards, so over the last couple of games,

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Speaker 1: not real dual threat because they got other guys that

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Speaker 1: got the two tight ends, and then they got Locket

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Speaker 1: and they got Metcalf, and you know, and they have

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Speaker 1: this Escridge guy. He was a draft pick kind of

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Speaker 1: like we were looking at when Rondale Moore was coming out.

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Speaker 1: But he's only catching one or two balls a game.

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Speaker 1: And right now he's unavailable because he's on injured reserve.

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Speaker 1: So that's excuse me. You know, he is, he is healthy.

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Speaker 1: He was hurt earlier in the season and I think

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Speaker 1: that's why his numbers aren't where maybe it was expected

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Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, he and another guy, Swan. He had

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Speaker 1: two catches for sixty five yards last fifty eight, so

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Speaker 1: that must be there. Down to field threat even though

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Speaker 1: Metcalf can take a top off the defense, but he's

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Speaker 1: really good find the sticks and then you know, try

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Speaker 1: to get in the middle of the field because a

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Speaker 1: lot of these dbs don't want to tackle him. And

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Speaker 1: we know Buddha Baker when it comes to the Seattle Seahawks,

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Speaker 1: whether it's in Seattle or at State Farm Stadium, this

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Speaker 1: is a game that he always points to because it's

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Speaker 1: going back home, it's playing in front of a lot

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Speaker 1: of friends and family, that'll be watching this game, whether

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Speaker 1: at home or when they're on the road. Same with Beemer.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully this is a game where he can get a

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Speaker 1: pick six. And you know, because obviously he's had some

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Speaker 1: passes defense against Russell Wilson preserved a victory for the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals in other games too. You know, it's interesting Pete

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Speaker 1: Carroll's is going to be seventy years old, or he's

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Speaker 1: seventy years old right now, and he doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: hit the reboot button. I'm just gonna want what's happening.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Russell Wilson's first game was September ninth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twelve against the Arizona Cardinals. The Cardinals beat him twenty

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Speaker 1: to sixteen. John Skelton and Kevin Cobbin that game, Wilson,

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Speaker 1: that was his first game, and you could see how

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Speaker 1: dynamic he was going to be. And here we are,

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Speaker 1: fast forward to week eighteen. This could be his final

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Speaker 1: game with the Seattle Seahawks, depending on what happens in

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Speaker 1: the offseason. I mean, John Snyder and I'm glad we're

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Speaker 1: not in this boat because they don't have anybody behind him.

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Speaker 1: You know. That's so what do they do is Pete Carroll.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a lot of energy. I think

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Speaker 1: he's earned the right to be the coach there. But

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Speaker 1: what if another team calls Pete Carroll and they wanted

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Speaker 1: to start all over again, and Russell Wilson, there'll be

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Speaker 1: a market out there for him. You got feeling one

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Speaker 1: way or the other. I think it's his last game

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Speaker 1: on Carroll. I don't know. I mean because now all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, what is John Snyder here? They don't

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Speaker 1: have any first round picks, I don't think. See the

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Speaker 1: problem is Paul Allen passed away, and so it went

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Speaker 1: to the daughter, and you know somebody's got to convince her.

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Speaker 1: From a football side, should we hit the reset button

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Speaker 1: or should we just reboot and bring everyone back again

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Speaker 1: next year. I mean, they got some tough decisions. But

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Speaker 1: last week, Russell Wilson, he stayed. He was the last

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Speaker 1: guy off the field. He had his family on the

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Speaker 1: field before the game. He was taking pictures, signing autographs.

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Speaker 1: So again I'm speculating. I don't really don't like to

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Speaker 1: do that, but it wouldn't surprise me if this is

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Speaker 1: his last game as a Seahawk. Wilson asked about the

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Speaker 1: potential of last week being his final home game wearing

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Speaker 1: a Seahawks uniform. Quote, or as far as being back

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Speaker 1: next year in Seattle, quote, I hope, So, I hope

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Speaker 1: that's the case. End quote. And then he turned around

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Speaker 1: level it's just focus on what we did here today.

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Speaker 1: So he's saying all the right things. Yet you remember

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Speaker 1: in the off season it was, hey, you know, we're

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Speaker 1: not asking for a trade, but here are given more

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Speaker 1: teams that we would accept a trade too. And so

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Speaker 1: that's in the back of everyone's mind. And you're right,

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Speaker 1: it's a difficult position to be in as a team

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Speaker 1: and as a fan base, and you're sitting there going, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what do you do because there is no air apparent,

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Speaker 1: there is no one waiting in the wings. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: we can make the same claim with Pittsburgh. They drafted

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Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph, they thought he had some upside, that took

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Speaker 1: a shot on Dwayne Askins high pick with the Washington

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Speaker 1: football team. Where are the Bears do next year? I mean,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppol's not going to be the starting quarterback, so

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Speaker 1: you're gonna see some of these guys, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think Pittsburgh's going to be open, and then they'll probably

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Speaker 1: draft a guy and try to groom him. I think

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Speaker 1: Cleveland's going to be open if they're I mean, even

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Speaker 1: though Baker's eighteen point nine million, where's the Shawn Watson

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Speaker 1: and all this stuff? You know? And then is Davis

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Speaker 1: Mills is starting quarterback for the Texans next year? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna see some veteran Aaron Rodgers, he's a big wildcard.

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Speaker 1: Does he stay there? Does he go to Pittsburgh because

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Speaker 1: him and Toma have a relationship. Does he go to

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Speaker 1: Denver because of that defense? Even though Fangio may not

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Speaker 1: be there. But I do think Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: and Jimmy Garoppolo will probably be the top three Dogs.

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Speaker 1: And Baker mayfields. So he played injured, so maybe another

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Speaker 1: team thinks he can come in here and then we'll

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Speaker 1: straighten him out. But it just I was impressed the

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Speaker 1: first year with Stefanski. This year wasn't the same, and

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Speaker 1: he played through a lot of injuries and it didn't

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Speaker 1: run the football that they should have, you know, so

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Speaker 1: and they got a lot of talent in Cleveland. It

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Speaker 1: was a big deal, a big story when Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: left New England and went to Tampa Bay. It dominated

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Speaker 1: a lot of the talk and it was wow, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's one player and no one's on the stature of

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Speaker 1: a Tom Brady. But can you imagine Aaron Rodgers and

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and the same offseason potentially playing for different teams,

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Speaker 1: leaving Green Bay and Seattle respectively. I mean, that's again

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Speaker 1: the things to see bias. I don't know if that's

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Speaker 1: ever happened in the National Football League when you have

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Speaker 1: two faces of the Franchi all of famers in there,

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Speaker 1: in there, in their certain careers, in their certain cities,

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Speaker 1: leave in the offseason. Yeah, all three of those guys. Brady,

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson may not be a first ballot in Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be in there. And the thing with Seattle is,

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Speaker 1: what do you do that. I mean, they're gonna try

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Speaker 1: to get one of these guys. I'm just glad we're

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Speaker 1: not in that boat because next year, I mean, Stafford's

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Speaker 1: going to be in Los Angeles, Trey Lance is going

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Speaker 1: to be a starter, Kyle is going to be here,

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Speaker 1: and then likely a new quarterback possibly in Seattle. I

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Speaker 1: really think so that's gonna be interesting, and fortunately for

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Speaker 1: us Bird Gang, we don't have to worry about that

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Speaker 1: because we've got Kyler Murray, Cardinals and Seahawks coming up.

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Speaker 1: On Sunday to twenty five is the kickoff nine thirty am.

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Speaker 1: Pregame coverage begins on the Arizona Cardinals Radio Network. Cardinals

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Speaker 1: eleven and five, Seahawks six and ten. One or the

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Speaker 1: topic we wanted to discuss here on Cardinals covered two

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Speaker 1: that is Isaiah Simmons. I'm sure you saw this. NFL

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Speaker 1: Networks Brian Baldinger, who I think does a tremendous job

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Speaker 1: breaking down Film, posted a two minute clip of Simmons

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. Showed him covering Amari Cooper and the slot,

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Speaker 1: dropping into coverage on Dalton Schultz, rushing from the edge,

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Speaker 1: blitzing up the middle. I mean, Simmons is doing a

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Speaker 1: lot of different things. Bansh Joseph mentioned earlier in the

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Speaker 1: day that he was playing a lot nickel corner because

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Speaker 1: of the injuries in the secondary. But Isaiah Simmons does

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Speaker 1: a lot of things. The question is does he do

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Speaker 1: a lot of things well, and that is where we're

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Speaker 1: is just year two, but he's able to do different things.

641
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: And then I understand the other side is like, well,

642
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: just concentrate on one thing, do that one thing well,

643
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: and then move on. Well, I think what we saw

644
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: on Sunday was a necessity for Isaiah Simmons to be

645
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons. As far as that Swiss army knife where

646
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: you can play a number of different positions on a defense, yeah,

647
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: I mean I definitely think he's made strides and I

648
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: was bullish about him, you know, just having an entire offseason.

649
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: I thought when he got that number, he swag was back.

650
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: He could see. You know, he's got personality, he gets

651
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: along with every single teammate. But there's sometimes where he

652
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: just overpursues and he's got to lower his pad level

653
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: when it comes to tackling. So there's little things. But

654
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: I mean we know in this day and age, Craig

655
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: position flexibility will keep you in the league. And I mean, yes,

656
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: a perfect world, he just plays inside linebacker next to

657
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: Hicks and then all of a sudden, who's in the slot.

658
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: When you don't you know, you don't have a healthy

659
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: corners right now. So, but I think that the sailings

660
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: high for him. It's just he's got to fine tune

661
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: in his game. I mean, you're not gonna make every

662
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: single play, but he does put himself in position to

663
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: make plays. But there's there's little things far from a

664
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: finished product, but I'm never going to question the effort

665
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: or or the toughness. Plays a little bit too fast, yes,

666
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: that goes back to what you said as far as

667
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: over pursuing. He's there, but sometimes he gets there too quick,

668
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 1: or he gets there and he's past the play because

669
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: the ball carrier made a move or whatever. He's so

670
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: fast that sometimes he's too fast. Yeah, And I think

671
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: that the prime example would be when he had a

672
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: chance to get in the backfill on Dak Prescott and

673
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: then eventually he was able to push that punch that

674
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: ball out. But that's instincts there, But that's a prime example.

675
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: You know, to slow down a little bit, you know,

676
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: wrap up and tackle. Now you get the sack, you know.

677
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: So again, like I said, I love his toughness, but

678
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to lower his pad level a little

679
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: bit when he comes to his open field tackling and

680
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: that play, and many people believe the play of the

681
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: game defensively knocking that ball out of Dak Prescott's hands

682
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: showed the good and the bad one play, because it

683
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: was you're there, but the bad was you got there

684
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: too quickly, didn't finish it. The good is, well, you

685
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: didn't give up on the play and you finished ultimately,

686
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: but it was downfield versus in the backfield. And just

687
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 1: to have the wherewithal And then this is Pina Tillman stuff.

688
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,479
Speaker 1: I mean to have the wearwithal and we're talking within

689
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: five or six seconds, right, I mean boom boom. Yeah,

690
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: Like I said, I I like the way he's even played.

691
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: I like the Victor Now. Vans did say he blew

692
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: an assignment early in the game because he's like, I

693
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: don't want anybody to know this about us. In here

694
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: twice he referenced it. I mean, Vance was on his

695
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: game on Thursday, asked about Victor d Mukage. He played

696
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: solid after blowing a coverage on his first assignment. Then

697
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: he's talking about how powerful he is, very very smart

698
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: except for that one play. It was like we expecting

699
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: Victor to like hear this later or is it's becoming

700
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: a running joke in the in the film room. But um,

701
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: but that's what you like to see, is like, Okay,

702
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna make mistakes because you haven't played a lot,

703
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: but you're you're supposed you're where you're supposed to be.

704
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: But that's half the battle. He did say he's mentioned

705
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: his multiple times. I mean, Jeff Rogers has found a

706
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: spot on him and special teams and so when you're

707
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: that fourth fifth linebacker, whether it's inside or outside, you're

708
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: gonna dress on game day. So he's become one of

709
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: the core special teams player and I think it's because

710
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: of his physicality. And he did get a lot chance

711
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: to play in those two preseason games. He played a

712
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: ton of snaps. And if you're able to get on

713
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: the football field on special teams, that means you're dressing

714
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 1: on game day and you're one or two plays away,

715
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: or you're maybe you're in certain packages. So no, and

716
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: when Steve drafted him, the comp was Marcus Golden so

717
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: and and Marcus is under contract next year, so you

718
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: know you start looking at that tandem. Uh, you know,

719
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: Dennis Gardic will see what happens. Erra Chandler's a free agent,

720
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: so um, those are offseason talks. But I just like

721
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 1: where his his demeanor is and he's a four year

722
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: starter at Duke. Very smart guy. Um, but I just

723
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: like his physicality and I was hoping he number ninety

724
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: two though yeah he's wearing or he's playing like he

725
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: would fit that number. Yes, and that's that cur Now

726
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 1: yeah he's wearing fifty two. So yeah, no, I just

727
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: but he's an outside linebacker, so that makes sense. When

728
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: you look at Chandler's number, you look at you know,

729
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: Guardi's number, you look at Marcus Golden's number, you look

730
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: at Canard's number, usually in the forties. It's look, it's

731
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: it's early. And I don't want to project too much

732
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: on Victor, but based off of what coach Joseph was

733
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: talking about, here's someone that might not be spectacular, might

734
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: not be an All Pro or a Pro bowler, but

735
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: he might be in this league ten twelve years if

736
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: he keeps doing what he's doing here. This is again,

737
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: this is year one, but solid on special teams that

738
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: will always extend your career and then give you the

739
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: opportunity to play more on defense or offense, depending on

740
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: what your specialty is. But it certainly sounds like, yeah,

741
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: Victor is someone that they can count on. And Van

742
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: Steven brought it up as far as can be a

743
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: very good cardinal for a long period of time. Yeah,

744
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: and hopefully he's got the same same development as Zach Allen,

745
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: because Zach, as long as he can stay healthy, he's

746
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: definitely may strikes every single year. And you know, because

747
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: of JJ's not out there, he's kind of taken that role.

748
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: But so you could see that if he stays where

749
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: he's at, and again, he's strong. Zach Allen had to

750
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: get stronger than the last couple off seasons, So there's

751
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: some of these offensive line but he's got the body

752
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: to withstand playing fifty year snaps. But again those are

753
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: good problems to have in the future. And on Zaven Collins,

754
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: according to Vance, Joseph made some plays off the ball,

755
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: which is not what he was drafted for as far

756
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: as being an outside linebacker. And then but quote, his

757
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: natural ability did show on Sunday. So I don't know

758
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: what the breakdown was outside linebacker versus inside, but you

759
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: could tell just by watching it that he was playing

760
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: both and at least according to the coaching staff, was

761
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: where he needed to be. Yeah, it looked like he

762
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: was playing Sam versus Mike. And that's why I really

763
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: they were playing a true four or three. They had

764
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: four lineman. He had Hickson's side, he had Channa run

765
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: to the the left, and he had Collins on the right,

766
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: and then Isaiah was in the slot, and then you

767
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: had Buddha Baker and Jalen Thompson. So I kind of

768
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: liked that package right there. We'll have to see though,

769
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,959
Speaker 1: with Marcus Golden, Devon Kannar back how things Yeah, shake

770
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: up now, but at least in a pinch, it's no

771
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: different than Hey, Kyler Murray's down, Next man up. Colt

772
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: McCoy performed well. Now it's a little different. It's not

773
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 1: as highlighted. It's not spotlighted as much on the defensive

774
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: end when you lose somebody. But it does bode well

775
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: for this week, into the postseason and next season. Yeah,

776
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 1: I think he's probably gonna get regularly back to special teams,

777
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: which again it's important. Somebody gets hurt. He's you know,

778
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: one play away. Yeah, and that's again, you can play

779
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: special teams. Now all of a sudden, you're a dressing. Man.

780
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: If if you're not on special teams and you're just

781
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: an offense or defensive player, unless you're DeAndre Hopkins or

782
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: the quarterback, then sorry, you're someone else is going to

783
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: take that spot because those are value Bowl spots as

784
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: far as that you're allowed on Sunday to be on

785
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: the football field. Hey, um um, I don't know if

786
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: we're getting ready to close up here, but I want

787
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: to mention, uh, the most recent day pad pod podcast

788
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: with Adrian Wilson, who so, um they only beat two

789
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: Um he had two beeps in there. I don't know

790
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: how many he had normally there. I think it's the

791
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: second time on the day of past podcast that they've

792
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: had to beat out against Walton. No Someway, it was

793
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: someone else, but it was it was. This was the

794
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: first multiple And so now I want to go back

795
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: to that Bears game when the Cardinals lost to the

796
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: Bears on Monday night. Oh Bunday night meltdown. Yeah, Okay,

797
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: So at the time I was doing we had a

798
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: radio show with Adrian Wilson, so I know this story story.

799
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: I love Bird Gang. You're on Cardinals Cover two presented

800
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 1: by Hounday Proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. It's always

801
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: fun when we have story time with Mike Jarecki. All right,

802
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: let a rip. Okay. So I was trying to get

803
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: ahold in that morning. So I'm texting him and I'm

804
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: not getting anything back, and you know, I'm figuring, all right,

805
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: it's been a rough night. So I get a hold

806
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: of him and he said, I'm ready to go now,

807
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: and so we put him on and I can tell

808
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: I said, how are you doing his I haven't slept

809
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: all night. It's just I'm upset and we should never

810
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: lost that game. So mind you when you when you

811
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: work in radio, you have a producer that answers the

812
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: phone and he puts him on the air or the

813
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: host will And it was Bickley at the time, and

814
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: my producer decided to go use the restaurant. I don't

815
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: know what he was doing, and there we have a

816
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: dump button where you hit the dump button and it

817
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: goes back eight seconds. He literally threw out three to

818
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: five six s F bombs and we could not get

819
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: it off the air. So we get called in. Of course,

820
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: we get suspended. It's like a two fifty thousand dollars

821
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: fine and I'm like, I was gonna lose my job

822
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: over this, you know, And luckily, you know Senator John McCain.

823
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: We were hoping that he would help us out with

824
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: the FCC. We never got fined, but I was suspend it,

825
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: and so I I told Adrian, you know, you go

826
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: on this podcasting and you only drop a couple I mean,

827
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: you were dropping. I know your role is different now,

828
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: but I couldn't. I'm sitting there looking at Dan like

829
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: is this really happening? It was so honestly, Craig, it

830
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: was raw. Everything went in slow motion and your life

831
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: is flashing before your eyes. Yeah, it was my career. Yeah,

832
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: but from a radio standpoint for the listener, it was raw.

833
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: He he was tim on. His wife was up all

834
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: night with him. You know. He said, I can't believe

835
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: we lost. I mean, it was so raw. So we

836
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: love you, Adam. And now he's just a lovable, huggable

837
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: guy that when you see in the hallways, says, hey,

838
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: how you doing it right? Yeah? Yeah? Sometimes we get

839
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: the Heisman salute. You do remember that though? Oh? I do? Yeah,

840
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: I remember the story. Yeah, I would think he owes

841
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: you like, well, I was gonna say if I get fired,

842
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to put me on your payroll

843
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: or something like. I don't know what I would do.

844
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna have to hire me. Maybe i'd

845
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: be at the time did they have social media? But

846
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: like a dub, he just cost me possibly my job.

847
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: Well now you look your co workers. Yeah right. And

848
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: another time was when he retired, when Steve and him

849
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: had that conversation and it was a really tough day

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Speaker 1: and they both were emotional, and we were doing a

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Speaker 1: remote and I got him on and he was very

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Speaker 1: emotional when he got let go. His boss now is

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Speaker 1: the guy who he was best friends with him, and

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Speaker 1: it was had a chance to meet each other at

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Speaker 1: NC State. So so I'll say this, he played the

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Speaker 1: game that the way it was supposed to be played.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he would be able to play like

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Speaker 1: that now. But I there were times when I would

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Speaker 1: be in the locker room and if they won or lost,

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Speaker 1: you know, Wednesday twenty four hour role, I would look

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Speaker 1: over there and he would go not today. So the

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Speaker 1: next day I'd look over there. Finally he would call

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Speaker 1: me over. But this guy, he wears his emotions on

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Speaker 1: his sleeves, and I think that's what made him a

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Speaker 1: great football player. And now he always tells it, this

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00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: is not a hobby. This ain't a hobby when I'm

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Speaker 1: doing he likes to grind, tape and get good football

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Speaker 1: players for this organization. So and he said, when Bruce

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Speaker 1: and Steve were here, they offered him to be a coach,

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Speaker 1: but he figured out long hours and then he told

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Speaker 1: a great story about it. He has authority to go

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Speaker 1: talk to players in the locker room from Michael Bitwell

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Speaker 1: because the years he's played here and now he's been

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Speaker 1: in the front office. So if you see a dub

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Speaker 1: coming down to your locker, it's probably not a good day.

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Speaker 1: Adrian Wilson, the vice president of Pro would I say, oh,

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Speaker 1: you're the I'm trying to let everyone out. The vice

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Speaker 1: president of Pro Personnel, Adrian Wilson on the Day Pass

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00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: podcast listen to it, must listen, and how much you

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00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: know he learned from Pat Tillman and Kwamie Lasseter and

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Speaker 1: and how he looks at Kyla Murray and he mentioned

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Speaker 1: he's young, he's still learning, but they feel like they

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Speaker 1: hit a home run right there. So I definitely recommend it.

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Speaker 1: I recommend a lot of day pass podcasts. But that

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00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: was really it's only thirty five minutes. I'm surprised you

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Speaker 1: did thirty five minutes. By the way, that look that

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Speaker 1: he used to give you in the locker room is

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Speaker 1: a look that I get now every single day in

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Speaker 1: the office. Yeah, you got you gotta home games. You

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Speaker 1: gotta see it. It's right before kickoff. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he dub gets kicked out of the suite, because

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00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's usually it's Steve and Mike and their

893
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: family's in there. So he's rumming around, but we don't

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Speaker 1: see him during the game. But he comes over and

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Speaker 1: you know, I would saying how's it going today, and

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Speaker 1: you don't never know what he's gonna say, and he

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Speaker 1: gives you this look like you better not say anything

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Speaker 1: to me, stairs right through me. That's that's the look

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Speaker 1: I had for years covering that guy. Yeah, well, I'm

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Speaker 1: glad I was able to tell that story because I

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Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for him and I really

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Speaker 1: have a good relationship with him too much. Adrian Wilson

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Speaker 1: discussion here. It was at the end of the show.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, but it's again with kid because

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Speaker 1: with care and he is he does work and it's

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Speaker 1: not just him, it's Quentin Harris, Drew Grigson. I would

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Speaker 1: I'd like to mention all these guys and they got

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Speaker 1: a great scout in department. They're grinding, but you know

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00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: Quentin's in charge of college Drew Grigson, but a dub

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Speaker 1: is kind of the right hand man. And he mentioned

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00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: when they go on vacation, Steve will call him. I

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00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: need some I need some tape on this guy. And

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Speaker 1: that's why they have a ready list where they signed

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Speaker 1: these guys in the offseason because everyone else is on vacation.

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Speaker 1: A lot goes on behind the scenes, but it's why

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Speaker 1: this Cardinals team right now eleven wins with the opportunity

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Speaker 1: before them to win the NFC West, which will dive

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Speaker 1: into more coming up on Friday, because Mike Drecki has

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Speaker 1: some homework to do as far as we get ready

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Speaker 1: for Week eighteen, and on that note, we will put

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Speaker 1: a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented

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Speaker 1: by Hunday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always,

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Speaker 1: special banks to our executive producer Jim Alma hundred for

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Speaker 1: Mike Jarecki. I'm Craig Riel Loup. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: next time you're on Cardinals cover two.