1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, you're welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Barton. 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: There's Charles Chuck Bryant over there. Yea, hear it Haunted 4 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: Hotel and this is stuff you should know. Yeah we can. 5 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: Can we do a couple of quick announcements? Yeah? Sure, 6 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: without singing that announcement song. Did we have an announcement 7 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: song ever? Know? Not us? But it's like summer Camp? Okay, 8 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: you never did that? No, yeah, well I'm not gonna 9 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: sing it now. Then I kind of want to hear 10 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: it now. No, no, no, no no, was it like 11 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: announcements announcements? It's announcements time. It's sort of almost Yeah, 12 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: that's close enough. Trigger warning for this one first announcement 13 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: because there's some grizzly stuff in here. Uh, I guess 14 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: that's all we need to say. And then also we've 15 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: been remissing that we haven't mentioned the fact that there's 16 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: a stuff you should know board Game out. Yeah, it's 17 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: it's not grizzly at all. No, it's it's very family friendly. 18 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: In fact, it's one of the highest honors that's ever 19 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: been bestowed upon us. And stuff you should know Chuck 20 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: because out of the blue, out of nowhere, about a 21 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: year and a half ago, maybe yeah, Trivial Pursuit. The 22 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: makers of Trivial Pursuit got in touch with us and said, 23 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: we want to do a stuff you should know trivial 24 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: pursuit game, and they did. It wasn't a practical joke. 25 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: The fine people it has Bro, who I gotta say. 26 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: I mean, we've worked with a lot of outside companies 27 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: for various projects, and boy, Hasbro is about as tight 28 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: and buttoned up and awesome as any company we've ever 29 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: worked with, right, but also like super friendly, super fun, 30 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: super narmazing and not in like that creepy everybody's trying 31 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: to be nice way like they're all just like a 32 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: genuinely pleasant group to work with. But yes they are 33 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: super buttoned up as well, very rare games games. They 34 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: all seem like they make games for a living, which 35 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: would mean you that you have a pretty cool job. 36 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: And developing the game with him was fun and the 37 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: questions are based on real stuff you should know episodes 38 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: and it is not just Trivial Pursuit. It is co branded, 39 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: so it is not Do not expect to get the 40 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: Trivial pursuit game with the little pieces of pie. No, no, 41 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: I just want They said, we want to make up 42 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: a brand new game for it, and they did. They 43 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: they made up a game. And this is the stuff 44 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: you should know. Trivial pursuit game. That's right, and you 45 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: can get it wherever you get games. I recommend your 46 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: local little indie toy gaming store if they have it, 47 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: but otherwise we would love the sport. You got a 48 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: weirdo in your town who dresses up in wizard clothes 49 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: and goes to work, go buy your game there. Yeah, 50 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: great Christmas gift by the way, Yeah for sure. Also, 51 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: why why just stop there? It's great for dad's, grads, moms, proms, everything. 52 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: I think it's like twenty bucks, right, yeah, it's like 53 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: it's really really reasonably priced. If you ask me, twenty dollars. 54 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: You got two twenties in your wallet. You could buy 55 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: a book and the game at we did, We did 56 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: the TV show, We did, uh a book, we do 57 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: a podcast. Don't forget our YouTube series. Sure you can. 58 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: And now now Chuck and now the game. It's amazing, 59 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: and now the hotel cecil. Yes, onto the show. Um, 60 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: so I'm glad you did that little trigger warning, because 61 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: there is some grizzly stuff in here, but there's also 62 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: I think some like fact settings, some facts straightening that, um, 63 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: you know, we should do from the outset. Because one 64 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: of the things that people who get into the Elisa 65 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: Lamb story, which we'll talk about in a little bit, 66 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: um quickly find that they are all manner of internet 67 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: urban legends and myths and conspiracy theories surrounding it, and 68 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: none of those seemed to be true, um, and which 69 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: is pretty annoying. Actually, yeah, it is very annoying. It's 70 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: just so internet e too, you know what I mean? Yeah, 71 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: I mean this, This goes on a lot these days, 72 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: but it seems like this one, maybe more so than 73 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: even others, because the bizarre nature of one part of 74 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: this story. And uh, I don't know, I found myself 75 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: slightly annoyed. I I am too, in the exact same 76 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: way that I'm annoyed by people who believe that the 77 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: couple from the Conjuring were like, you know, legit in 78 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: real life, you know what I mean. But at the 79 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: same time, it goes even further than that. I think 80 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: I ran across a couple of articles that I really 81 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: think struck home. What's genuinely annoying and even disrespect full 82 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: about that is that like Alisa Lamb died because she 83 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: had serious mental illness. I had been diagnosed and she 84 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: wasn't managing properly with the medications that she was on, 85 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: and that happens a lot, and she died because of it. 86 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: And so to say that she was you know, possessed 87 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: by evil spirits um or that there were you know, 88 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: ghosts at the Cecil, or even though she was murdered 89 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: by an unknown suspect, it's really really um well, it 90 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: really disrespects the reality of the situation, which is you know, 91 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: sad enough as it is. But at the same time, checked, 92 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: there's one more thing I have to caveat all this with. 93 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: It's understandable the impulse to to bring in you know, 94 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: restless spirits and you know, you know, the just conspiracy theories. 95 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: It's understandable in this particular situation because of the setting. 96 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: Yeah uh, and I guess you know, the first part 97 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: of the show will be about the setting, which is 98 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: the hotel Cecil in downtown Los Angeles, which is not 99 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: open right now. Um it may be open in the future. 100 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: I think they were doing a. Uh. This thing was 101 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: open in the nineteen twenties during the height of the depression, 102 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: and it's a very large hotel, nineteen flour or seven 103 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: hundred rooms. And in the nineteen twenties it was sort 104 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: of like a UM, a big deal for downtown Los Angeles. 105 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: It was near a major rail station and it was 106 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: kind of just what l A needed and it was 107 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: kind of Nancy schmancy for the time. UM. And over 108 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: the years, you know, we'll talk a little bit about 109 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: the downfall. But at the time of Elisa Lambs Stay, 110 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: they had carved out three floors and built a separate 111 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: lobby entrance to try and UH in an effort to 112 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: rebrand this hotel as something called Stay on Maine. UH, 113 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: and that they had three kind of floors that were 114 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: a little bit redone cosmetically, UH, a little bit of 115 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: a nicer lobby that was, you know, sort of away 116 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: from UM. You know, some of the situations that work 117 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: at a detail here in a second, But they did 118 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: all share a common elevator and UM at least Lamb 119 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: was staying in the State on Maine, Stay on Main 120 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: section State on Main. But that's just to point out 121 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: the fact that the hotel was gonna eventually supposedly undergo 122 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: a massive renovation and that it was all sort of 123 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: put on hold because of COVID. And I think now 124 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: it's just being sat on with some of the long 125 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: term tenants that are protected to stay there. Yeah, I 126 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: think it's like thirty but there's like you said, seven rooms, 127 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: but you said it um that the Cecil Hotel UM, 128 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: which is very much down at the heels now UM 129 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: started life in a much different way where it was 130 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: meant to be like a pretty nice hotel designed for 131 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: middle class travelers to l A and that situation next 132 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: to the rail station was a big draw for it. 133 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: It was it was definitely a feather in its cap 134 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: um and I saw it's in the Bozard style. UM. 135 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: It's not incredibly pretty from the outside, but the inside 136 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: lobby is still pretty neat looking. Lots of torrazzo tile 137 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: and uh columns, and there's fake um Roman statutory and 138 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: a big clock and like the at the over the 139 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: check in desk, it's really pretty and I really like, 140 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: you know, nineteen twenties original UM original style still, although 141 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: it's just kind of got this drab air that's kind 142 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: of fallen over it over the years. Yeah, and that 143 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: is in large part because, um, like you said, there 144 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: are a lot of unknowned people there today a lot 145 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: back then. The area called skid Row of downtown Los 146 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: Angeles is kind of right there. I used to drive 147 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: through that area sometimes when I lived in l A, 148 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: when we would go downtown to eat sushi or if 149 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: we you know, back then when I lived there, downtown 150 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: was not as much of a destination unless you were 151 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: going to Staples Center or something. But it's made a 152 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: real resurgence since I've left and kind of trying to 153 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: build downtown back up. Um, but skid Row is still 154 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: uh an issue. And there you know, like you said 155 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: that that there are people there that work with unhomed 156 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: folks that are really trying their best two take care 157 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: of them. And the fact that that hotel is right 158 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: there just sort of looming large is a bit of 159 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: a thumb in the eye. Yeah. And I get the 160 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: impression that skid the area that's now skid Row in 161 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: Los Angeles had had, at least since the eighties, kind 162 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: of had a an unusual reputation. It wasn't always you know, 163 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: for people down on their luck or anything like that. 164 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: But um, you know, it was a little more low 165 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: rent than other parts of Los Angeles, like there were 166 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: there was just a mishmash of all sorts of different people. 167 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: It seemed like really alive. UM. And the SESA was 168 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: kind of built at the outskirts of that between what 169 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: would become skid Row and then one of the nicest 170 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: parts of l A at the time, Bunker Hill. UM. 171 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: And everything was hunky dory for the Cecil when it 172 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: first opened in either seven depending on who you ask, 173 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: I could not confirm one way or the other because 174 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: both dates have kind of taken off so much. UM. 175 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: But when the stock market crashed, that area that was 176 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: just kind of colorful and a little bit low rent 177 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: that it quickly became uh skid Row as we understand it, 178 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: beginning around the Great Depression. UH. And not only UM 179 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: did the proximity to skid Row kind of like lower 180 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: the Cecil star rating. UM. When the tenants started the 181 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: hotel guests started to dry up, they had to lower 182 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: their rights and start catering to um people who are 183 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: people have less means, and so the hotel just kind 184 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: of stopped taking care of itself little by little starting 185 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: around the Great Depression and continuing on through World War Two. Yeah, 186 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: and you know it kind of became a last resort 187 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: kind of destination for people with addiction problems, um, people 188 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: in the in the sex working industry, and you know 189 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: it got that reputation and pretty soon got a reputation 190 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: for all kinds of bad things happening there. Um. There 191 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: have been no less than fifteen or sixteen um what's 192 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: classified I guess as an unnatural death at the Cecil. 193 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: Many people took their own lives there, Um, quite a few. 194 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: I mean, if you read down the laundry list, it's 195 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: like quite a few people in ingested poison. Quite a 196 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: few people jumped or maybe we're pushed out windows. Uh. 197 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: There have been some murders by gun. There have been 198 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: murders by strangulation. There have been sexual assaults. Uh. This 199 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: one sad case of a woman who gave birth to 200 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: a baby and was um suffering from some sort of 201 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: mental illness. Evidently thought her baby was was born not alive, 202 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: and went to throw the baby out the window. And 203 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: it turns out the baby was a I've been then died. 204 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: She was found um not guilty. I think temporary insanity 205 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: was the plea there and just weird kind of tragic 206 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: awful things happening over the years, time and time again 207 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: at the hotel cecil Yeah. Like another UM frequently referred 208 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: to incident was where a woman named Pauline oughten Um 209 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: she jumped from I think like the ninth or tenth 210 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: floor to take her own life and um landed on 211 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: a guy who was a passerby who happened to just 212 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: be walking unluckily beneath the cecil at that moment on 213 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: the sidewalk and was struck by Pauline. Uh, and they 214 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: were both killed and UM like that that doesn't usually 215 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: happen very often. Like that's a pretty remarkable thing, and 216 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: I know that that. Like the most I could find 217 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: was I think eighteen incidents, but it seems like those 218 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: are just ones that have been documented. There seems to 219 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: be quite a bit more. UM. There was a Netflix 220 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: UM series I think of four part series on this 221 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: recently and they interviewed UM a woman who had spent 222 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: ten years managing the cecil Um and she said that 223 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: her name is Amy Price. She said that under her 224 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: ten year tenure, at least eighty people died, that she 225 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: knows of, and you can kind of imagine like like 226 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 1: you know, you could find newspaper right ups from like 227 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: the twenties and thirties and fourties when somebody jumps out 228 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: of window, and definitely when somebody jumps out of window 229 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: and lands on a hapless pedestrian, like, it's definitely going 230 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: to be documented to make news. But if somebody on 231 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: skid row overdoses and dies in this hotel, you know, 232 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: is that going to be documented. So it's possible that 233 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: there are a lot more people who have died at 234 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: the cecil Um Under from unnatural causes UM over the 235 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: years than than just those seventeen or eighteen Did you 236 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: watch all of that documentary? No, I haven't seen it actually, Okay, yeah, 237 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: you know, I feel terrible because um the director was 238 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: is the great Joe Burlinger, who actually had on movie 239 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: Crush Um and one of my favorite episodes where we 240 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: kind of just talked about documentary filmmaking. He's a legend. 241 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: He did the Paradise Law series, he did that documentary 242 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: on Metallica when they're all in therapy. Yeah, uh yeah, 243 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he's just he's just sort of the a 244 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: legend in the genre. And he's had the Ted Bundy 245 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: tapes recently. That's like, yeah, he did that. And then 246 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: he directed the movie version with what's his face Zack 247 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: Fron with who I said, Ryan Gosling? Oh close, another 248 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: super handsome hunk. Uh. And that was a good movie. 249 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: But this wasn't so great. I didn't love it. It 250 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: felt kind of over long and a little salacious, and like, yeah, 251 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: that's the impression I had from reading about it. Yeah, 252 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: so I was disappointed. But Joe was a great filmmaker 253 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: and a good guy. So I feel kind of bad. 254 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: I think that's a fair caveat a great filmmaker and 255 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: a good guy can still make a hunko poop? What 256 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: unko poop? That was all right? Uh, but maybe let's 257 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: take a break and I'll email Joe and tell him 258 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I had a time, all right, and we'll 259 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: be right back. So uh, okay, we're we're so we're. 260 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: The Cecil hotel starts to get a pretty pretty not 261 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: a great reputation even around town. I read a article 262 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: on ksey et dot org, which I guess is a 263 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: PBS station in so Cow, and they said that local 264 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: residents started to refer to the Um the Cecil as 265 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: the suicide. That was the name of the hotel for 266 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: people around there. Um, and it just it just kind 267 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: of like it just kept going like every time, you know, 268 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: maybe a couple of years of pass without some high 269 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: profile death in the hotel, and then it would happen again, 270 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: and and it would just reaffirm everybody's ideas that there 271 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: was that place just wasn't quite right, there was something 272 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: wrong with it, almost like it was a magnet for 273 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: that kind of tragedy. You know. Yeah, I mean I 274 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: think most major cities have had at least one of 275 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: these hotels that just sort of is inexpensive, maybe in 276 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: the wrong part of town, and has the reputation sometimes 277 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: for luring activities and checking in and not checking out. Uh. 278 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: And this was l A's and l A for sure 279 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: had more than one. Um it did not help their 280 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: reputation in the nineteen eighties when Richard Ramirez a k a. 281 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: The night Stalker and one of the more sensational serial 282 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: killers in American history. Uh, he stayed there for a 283 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: while and um lived there and apparently brought body parts 284 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: back to the Cecil hotel. Said Cecil like I'm British 285 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: uh Cecil Hotel from some of his victims to Ingest there, 286 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: Uh and that's certainly like super creepy. Ingest. I hadn't 287 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: come across that he eat that victim's eyeballs. I think, 288 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: so wow, we and other he wasn't like I don't 289 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: think he was Dahmer level, but he was known to 290 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: eat some body parts. He has a there's a great 291 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: documentary on his his case too. It's super disturbing. Yeah, 292 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: that's on Netflix as well. I think, um, if I'm 293 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: not mistaken, But um, one thing I hadn't realized before 294 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: that I ran across when I was researching some of 295 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: his stuff was how he was caught. It's just absolutely triumphant. 296 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: It was a mob of people in the neighborhood in 297 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: East l A. He he was spotted. He saw himself 298 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: on the front page of the newspaper and just instinctively 299 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: started running trying to car jack aman hit her was 300 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: seen hitting her an older man. UM basically ran over 301 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: and helped the help. The woman pulled Richard Ramirez out 302 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: of his car, and Um, the woman whose car was 303 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: husband came over and started beating him. Uh. And he 304 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: tried to get away, and just an increasingly large mob 305 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: chased him and would beat him, and he'd get away 306 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: some more, and they chase him down and catch him again, 307 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: and they finally pinned him down and waited for the 308 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: cops to come. That's how he was the best. Yeah, 309 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: caveat that. I'm not down with a mob justice, but 310 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,479 Speaker 1: a group of people finding a serial killer on the 311 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: street and like subduing him. Way okay with that now, 312 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: I totally am in this particular instance, like I'm all 313 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: fine with that that kind of justice for sure. Yeah. 314 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: It was and about a badge of honor for East 315 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: l A. Because the the entire city of Los Angeles 316 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: was I mean, it was a scary situation there. Yeah, 317 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: I can imagine that's where cheech Marin was born, according 318 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: to that one song of it. That's right. So the 319 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: Ninth Stalker he was not the only serial killer that 320 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: checked in there. He actually inspired just a few years 321 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: after he was convicted in I think, uh, I think 322 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: like in ninety two, maybe ninety three, there was another 323 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: serial killer named Jack Unterweger, who was Austrian um who 324 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: had already been convicted I think when he was like 325 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: nineteen or early twenties of killing a woman by strangling 326 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: her with her own braw um and went to prison. 327 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: He was very, very smart, very charming. He used this 328 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: to basically get early parole. He convinced the public that 329 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: he was actually reformed and apparently was held up as 330 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: like a great example of how, you know, the the 331 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: prison system could rehabilitate someone, and it was just a 332 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: complete false fabrication. He was basically posed as a true 333 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: crime journal list like he reinvented himself as that went 334 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: to l a and other parts. He went to Europe, 335 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: traveled through Europe a little bit too, but also ended 336 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: up in l a Um to do research on his 337 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: true crime novels. Went along on ride along with the 338 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: l A. P. D Um and ended up using that 339 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: to scout Um victims. He killed three sex workers and 340 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: the whole time he was staying at the Cecil hotel. 341 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: And they think probably as an homage to Um, to 342 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: Richard Ramirez or at least a connection to him, you know. Yeah, 343 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: so that I mean at this point, like the reputation 344 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: for the hotel, it's not the kind of thing that 345 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: is gonna appear online. You know. Fifteen years ago, when 346 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: young people like a Lisa lam Are searching for an 347 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: inexpensive place to stay. Uh, And sadly that's exactly what happened. 348 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: Was a Canadian traveler, she was twenty years old, was 349 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: on her way kind of up the West coast, traveling 350 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: by herself. Her parents were a little unnerved by her 351 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: traveling by herself, so she was you know, asked to 352 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 1: check in every day what she was doing. Uh. And 353 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: at the time, it was you know, they had kind 354 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: of dorm style rooms, kind of youth hostile style rooms 355 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: where you had bunk beds in a shared bathroom and 356 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: so you could stay there. It was a travelers hotel. 357 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: And if you uh, you know, I hate to say it, 358 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: but if you if you didn't know much about l a, 359 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: you may end up at the hotel Cecil because you 360 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,239 Speaker 1: could stay there for like seventy five bucks a night 361 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, from what I could tell, 362 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: Stay On Maine did a really good job of making 363 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: their you know, using their website to their advantage and 364 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: making it seem like this is a really hip happening spot. 365 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: And I mean in some ways they were. They were 366 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: kind of like just a little ahead of their time 367 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: because apparently the area around skid Row in downtown l 368 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: A is like the hippiest spot to live in now again. Um, 369 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: But at the time it was still really really um 370 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: skid rowe basically yum. And it could be it could 371 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: be you know, it could be dangerous. Yeah, and I 372 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 1: think it still is. But I think it's just becoming 373 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: more and more gentrified and it's becoming I guess, less 374 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: dangerous in that sense. Um. But at the time when 375 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: Alisa Lamb showed up in two thousand and thirteen, it was, 376 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: you know, it was it was a dangerous place to be. 377 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:21,479 Speaker 1: But um, this particular spot was just full of you know, 378 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: especially European kids on basically budget holidays, uh, staying in 379 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: l A basically in hostiles. And I know originally she 380 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: was put into a room with a couple of other 381 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: girls that I think we're traveling together, but she was 382 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: traveling alone. So it was very hostile. Um. And not 383 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: hostile with an eight Well yeah, there's an E, but 384 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: it's in a different place than you'd expect. Um, youth hostily. 385 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: It was very youth hostily, like she was put in 386 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: a room with other people at first. Yeah, l A 387 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of that. I remember there was 388 00:22:55,359 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: a youth hostile in Venice that for some reason, and 389 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: I always wanted to stay there. When I lived in 390 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: l A. I was like, I didn't go down stay 391 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: in the hostel one night because the beach was so 392 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: the beach was really far when you lived on the 393 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: east side and you kind of never went over there 394 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: much unless someone came to town and wanted to go 395 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: to the beach. That makes sense, sure, so, and you 396 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: know I was broke back then, so it could have 397 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: been like a little staycation. Did you ever do it? Yeah, 398 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: It's one of the things you think about late night 399 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: and then you wake up the next day and you're like, yeah, 400 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: you blew all your money on taco balance day. Oh man, 401 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: I missed Taco Bell, do you? I don't, Uh. I 402 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: mean I didn't need it that much, but like I 403 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: haven't had it in years. I've had too much, I 404 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: think was my problem. Okay, what's that the deal? By 405 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: the way, side note, speaking of weird late night foods, um, 406 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: we had a guy on our front door camera the 407 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: other day come in the middle of the night and 408 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: leave a package and we're like, what is this. We 409 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: went out the next day and it was a bag 410 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: full of crystals. Wow. And I think it was creepy delivery, 411 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: like a door dash or something. Crystals. I thought you 412 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: meant like amethysts or no, no, no, I mean tiny 413 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: square sliders. He had the wrong I think so either 414 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: that or your daughter is has mastered the telephone by now. 415 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: It was really weird. And the course, the first thing 416 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: I did was I feel terrible that someone's late night 417 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: mun cheese didn't get satisfied. Did you eat him the 418 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: next morning? Just says you don't like crystals, or it 419 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: was it because it was sitting there overnight. Both. I 420 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: never was into crystal for some reason. Man, I like crystals. 421 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: It was the thing I just was. I don't know why. 422 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: I think I was just a waffle house guy. I 423 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: don't I'm fine with waffle house. To the big problem 424 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: with crystals, Chuck, I'll tell you is there fries or 425 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: probably the worst fries of any fast, the most bland somehow, 426 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: if you just bit into raw potato, it would be 427 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: less bland and tasteless than if you ate a crystal spry. Yeah. 428 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: And if you're from the other places in the country, 429 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: you might white Castle sort of an analog to Crystal. Yeah, anyway, 430 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: this is not an episode of The Doughboys. This is 431 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: stuff you should know. And back to Alisa Lamb. She 432 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: was supposed to be there for about I think four 433 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: days and check out on February one, and did not 434 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: get in touch with their parents like she had been 435 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: doing each day. Um, she had been seen shopping for 436 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: books at a nearby bookstore and then bought some books. 437 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: And this is one of the things in the documentary. 438 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: Like you know, they didn't really have any footage of 439 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: her with any other people inside the hotel before her disappearance. Well, 440 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: she was also reported to be constantly by herself too 441 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: by people who saw her. Yeah, I mean she was 442 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: traveling alone, so that that makes sense. But um, she 443 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: she did get handed off. There were two gentlemen that 444 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: handed off a kind of the largest largish box to 445 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: her on camera in front of the hotel. And of 446 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: course the internet sluice or like, who are these guys? 447 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: What was in the box? And apparently in the box 448 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: were these books that she got because she had spoken 449 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: with the book read um seller about like the size 450 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: of them, and boy, I don't even know if I 451 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: can carry these and I think had them delivered to 452 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 1: the hotel or whatever. So kind of nothing to see here, 453 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: and another example of how annoying this case can be 454 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: with people online speculating like wrong stuff. Yeah, I can 455 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,479 Speaker 1: be a little annoying for sure. But yes, so she was. 456 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: She was alone, traveling alone. I think she had started 457 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: out in San Diego, or at least her last stop 458 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: had been San Diego. Her next stop was going to 459 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: be Santa Cruz. Um. And Yeah, her parents have been like, okay, 460 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: you need to call this every single day um and 461 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: she had been pretty faithfully until that February one came 462 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: and went with no call, and I believe they pretty 463 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: much immediately contacted the hotel and the l a p 464 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: D and said, hey, you know, our daughter hasn't checked in. 465 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,719 Speaker 1: Can you see what's going on. I don't know if 466 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: they did it on February first or not, but in 467 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: pretty short order, the l a p D determined that 468 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: she she was just gone, she wasn't she was nowhere 469 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: to be found, and that there was some suspiciousness going 470 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: on for sure. Yeah, I mean they did a thorough inspection. 471 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: They went to her room. Uh, they had found that 472 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: the hotel had gathered all her stuff and bagged it 473 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: and was holding it in storage, which was UM regular 474 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: protocol when someone UM doesn't check out and just leave stuff. 475 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: Nothing shady going on there. They checked around the hotel, uh, 476 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: in the alleyways and sidewalks, They checked up on the roof. 477 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: They didn't find anything, and UH, things got really strange. 478 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: And I guess we should take another ad break here. 479 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: But things got really strange when the hotel sent them 480 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: footage from inside the elevator of the still hotel. And 481 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: we'll get to that right after this, all right, Chuck, 482 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: So Alsa Lamb is now known to be missing. She 483 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: left her stuff behind at the Cecil Hotel, and she 484 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: didn't check out, She didn't call her parents as she 485 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: usually did, UM, and she's officially a missing person. UM. 486 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: Within a couple of days, I think maybe February six, 487 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: the police held a press conference and explained what was 488 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: going on to the public. UM and UH basically asked 489 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: for everybody's help and and if anyone had any info, 490 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, where did she go? Where is she? How 491 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: she doing? Is she okay? UM? And I guess I don't. 492 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: I didn't see anything about any getting any crazy leads 493 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: or anything. Like at um it doesn't seem to have 494 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: really kind of captured the public's interest at first. And 495 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: I saw there's this guy named Josh Dean who's written 496 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,959 Speaker 1: written several articles on on the Elisa Lamb disappearance, and um, 497 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: I believe one of the one of the ones that 498 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: he wrote kind of pinpoints why there wasn't a huge 499 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: public interest in the first like week or even two 500 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: of her case. Um, it was because Christopher Dorner had 501 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: gone on his rampage against the l A p D, 502 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,959 Speaker 1: basically declared war on the l A p D and 503 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: was killed. And I think the Mountains of San Bernardino 504 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: in a standoff like right when Elisa Lamb went missing. 505 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: So not only were was the public's attention on this, 506 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: especially in l A, the l A p d S 507 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: attention was definitely on that as well. Um So Elisa 508 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: Lamb was kind of like this faint little chirp in 509 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: this huge mailstrom at the time, faint chirp in a mailstrom. 510 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: It's the US that could come up with on shorts. Amazing, 511 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? You just made that up? Yeah? Yeah, 512 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: I did you like it? Yeah? But I just have 513 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: a feeling that next time I meant your house, it's 514 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: gonna be like that's gonna be carved into your desk 515 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: or something. It's on a T shirt and right, did 516 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: you put you make Momo wear that T shirt every 517 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: Day's right? Uh? Yeah. And you know the other big 518 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: reason was until this footage actually came out of the elevator. 519 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: Uh car, then you know that's when, Um, that's when 520 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: the public's attention really caught hold. Yeah. I mean, there's 521 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: no way around it. It's it's a very sort of unsettling. 522 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: And I remember when this happened, before any of the 523 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: facts of the case we're kind of out. I remember 524 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: looking at this video and it is very unsettling, and 525 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: it does appear to be very creepy, and that a 526 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: young woman gets on an elevator, um, very kind of 527 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: casually presses all the center buttons on all the floors. 528 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: I think they determined she was on the fourteenth floor 529 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: and sort of pressed all the floors on the way down. Uh. 530 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: Elevator doesn't do anything. The doors don't shut. She moves 531 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: to the back corner and sort of standing there, she 532 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: goes and she's she looks outside of the elevator both 533 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: ways a couple of times in the hallway and then 534 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: kind of retreats back quickly. Um. At one point she 535 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: steps out into the hallway and appears to be gesturing 536 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: towards somebody, or she's at least making hand gestures to 537 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: the right down the hallway. Yeah, they're unusual hand gestures. 538 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: They're not like the normal hand gestures you might make. 539 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: They're not at all subtle or casual or almost even 540 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: like um, like you know, you might not even realize 541 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: you're using your hands when you're talking sometimes, Like these 542 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: are are more gesticulations than your gestures, you know what 543 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, And you know, there's there's no doubt. 544 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: And eventually she kind of leaves around to the left 545 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: and exits to the left, and the door stays open 546 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,239 Speaker 1: for a while, but for it shuts. Um. But there 547 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: there's no getting around the fact that having known nothing 548 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,479 Speaker 1: and knowing that this person disappeared, this young woman, and 549 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: then you see this, it seems very suspicious. Um, I 550 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: don't think creepy. I think it looks I don't even 551 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: even think it looks that creepy. It looks to me 552 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: like that she is trying to get away from someone 553 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: and is afraid someone has followed her, or is gesturing 554 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: at a person who she feels threatened by. It's what 555 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: it looks like to me. I know other people online 556 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: there talk about other worldly spirits, and she's kind like 557 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: you said earlier, she's conjuring spirits with her hands, Like 558 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: I just, uh, that never occurred to me. It just 559 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: looked like she might be in some kind of peril 560 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: and was trying to get away from someone. Right. Um, 561 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: but that's creepy in and of itself, you know, Yeah, 562 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: I just mean not creepy and like a supernatural like 563 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: what's going on here? Way now? I think the thing 564 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: that really when it really turns creepy to me is 565 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: when she turns around and hides in the corner of 566 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: the elevator her like she's she's hiding. And then the 567 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: second part that's that's genuinely creepy is when she like 568 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: leans out and like looks both ways and then kind 569 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: of jumps back into the elevator. It's just I mean, 570 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: it's really hard not to kind of put yourself in 571 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: her shoes, and she's clearly frightened at that time. To 572 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: see somebody frightened like that, Uh, it's that's creepy, and 573 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: you're and you're waiting on someone to enter the elevator, 574 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: but that never happens. Um And with the internet sleuthing, 575 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: you couldn't really make out the time code very well. 576 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: And so all the people online are like, well, why 577 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: can't you make out the time code and the time stamps, 578 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: like what would degrade that? And not the rest of it? 579 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: And and then they think they're right, and then they 580 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,479 Speaker 1: think they decoded it and there's almost a full minute missing, 581 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: and the hotel cecil edited out a portion clearly, and 582 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: before they send it to the cops, and and they 583 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: interviewed the woman and that you're talking about the manager, 584 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,719 Speaker 1: and she was like, no, of course we didn't edit 585 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: anything out, like we were horrified by this disappearance, and 586 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: just send him everything we had, right. Plus I'm sure 587 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: also that most of the employees that stay on main 588 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: know exactly how to edit video out before handing things 589 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: over to the cops. Anyway, that's true. That is a 590 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 1: good point, actually, but I don't buy it. I think 591 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: it was it is what it was, which was a 592 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: person in an elevator who had some uh was having 593 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: some mental issues, and you know, we'll get to that 594 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 1: in a second. UM. And I think you know, it's 595 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: sort of like the easiest explanation of the video, at 596 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: least to me, seems to be the most accurate. Um 597 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,879 Speaker 1: that that's what I buy. That's how I buy it too. UM. 598 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: That was so that video was released on February and 599 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, the public is taking notice. Um, 600 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: she becomes an Internet meme, like almost overnight, Um, with 601 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: people like watching and analyzing that video, like you were saying, 602 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: and yet they still can't find No one has any 603 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: idea where she hasn't been two weeks now since she 604 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 1: went missing. This videos out there, that whole the entire 605 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: internet is on the case now. And UM, it wasn't 606 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: until a couple of days I think two days after 607 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,240 Speaker 1: the video came out. Chuck that. Um. One of the guys, 608 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: one of the custodians of the Cecil Hotel of stay 609 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: on me and I should say, Um, I was asked 610 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: to go check on the water supply on the roof 611 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: because the Cecil Hotel used uh, gravity fed water. They 612 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: had four one thousand gallon tanks on the top of 613 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: the roof. Uh and when you open the tap, the 614 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: water would come pouring down from those tanks into your 615 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: room and out the faucet, and some of the tenants 616 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: don't I don't know if it was just the hotel 617 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: or some long term tenants, but they were complaining that 618 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: the water pressure had suddenly gotten really low and that um, 619 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: the water that was coming out had a strange odor 620 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: and taste and weird kind of color to it. And 621 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: so they dispatched the custodian to the roof UM and 622 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: he went and checked, and I think as he was 623 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: approaching the main water tank, I think tank number one, 624 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: he noticed that the hatch was open, and uh, in 625 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: very short order, made the grizzly discovery of Alicia Lam's body. Yeah, 626 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: he was. He was kind of like the super He 627 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: was a maintenance guy. His name is Santiago Lopez and 628 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: he's in the documentary to UM. I don't think he 629 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: saw the hatch because the hatches on top of the tank, 630 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: but he went to go and he said it was 631 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: a routine thing if there was any kind of water issue, 632 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: was to climb the ladder to the tanks and go 633 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: look and see what was going on because there's probably 634 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: a clog or something. And uh, he saw her body, um, 635 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: naked about a foot below the water, just sort of 636 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: suspended there. And you know, when they interviewed this guy 637 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: in the documentary, it's really sad. You know, he was 638 00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: sort of at the center of a lot of the 639 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: US with interviews and he uh, he was speaking through it, um, 640 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: I guess, not through a translator but through US subtitles, 641 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: but he was clearly, you know, still very upset about 642 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: this and it it it scarred him to see this 643 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,399 Speaker 1: woman floating in the tank and he knew immediately who 644 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: it was and called down to the hotel manager who 645 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: we've been talking about and said, you know, she's she's 646 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: up here in the tank, and uh, you know, the 647 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: cops came. They found her clothes, which were determined to 648 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 1: be the same clothes she was wearing in the elevator video. Um, 649 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: kind of at the bottom of the tank they had sunk. 650 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: And you know, immediately the new mystery is not what's 651 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: going on in this video, although you know that played 652 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,919 Speaker 1: apart because they were still trying to figure that out 653 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: as far as foul play goes, but was how she 654 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: made it in here and and why she made it 655 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: in there? Yeah, because she she she it was like, 656 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: the hatch is not easy to get in or out of. 657 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: They had to like cut her out of the They 658 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: did cut a hole in the bottom of the tank 659 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: so they could access it, right, They couldn't just pull 660 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: her back out of that hatch. So that's kind of 661 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: weird in and of itself. She's also nude. UM. That 662 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: also kind of added to the mystery of the whole thing. Um. 663 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 1: And then also the you know the coroner, uh when 664 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,760 Speaker 1: when he made his his toxicology report available, he basically 665 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,399 Speaker 1: said it was he wasn't able to make any conclusive, 666 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: um find any conclusive results because there wasn't enough blood 667 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,359 Speaker 1: to take a sample from. You know, she just kind 668 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: of permeated the water and that her blood had uh, 669 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: and it wasn't you just couldn't like take a water 670 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: sample and be like, oh, yeah, there's no you know, 671 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: there's no drugs in here anything like that. So all 672 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: of that combined really kind of um just just took 673 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: that mystery. Um. You know that people have been primed 674 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: to start thinking about with that video and then just 675 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: blew it through the roof. You know, I mean, the 676 00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: the the water being you know, going to are people's 677 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: taps in the hotel, and you know, Lisa Land basically 678 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,760 Speaker 1: being a part of that water really kind of solidified 679 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: her legendary status or the legendary status of her mystery. 680 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: I think in people's imagination, anybody who comes across that 681 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 1: case can't help, but like let the mind wander in 682 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: that respect. Oh for sure. I mean the idea of 683 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: drinking water and bathing in water with a decomposing body. 684 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: I mean the body had was in a pretty pretty 685 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: rough state of decomposition at that point. Uh. They did 686 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: do obviously in the autopsy, they didn't find any signs 687 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: of foul play. There were no obviously no uh like 688 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: obvious wounds, There were no internal wounds, there was no strangulation. Um. 689 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: They they pretty much said, this doesn't look like foul 690 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,240 Speaker 1: play at all. Um. The one one of the mysteries 691 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: was how she got up there, because you, um, if 692 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: you want to go just through the regular staircase to 693 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 1: the rooftop, and this is not a rooftop that you 694 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, doesn't have like a rooftop hangout area or what. 695 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: Although people you know, there was plenty of graffiti and 696 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: beer bottles and drug needles, and some people would make 697 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: their way up there. But UH, if you go through 698 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: the regular door, it's one of the alarm doors which 699 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: would trigger downstairs and all throughout the lobby. UM that 700 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: never came on and you have to have a key 701 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 1: to disable it. But there is a fire escape entry 702 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: with the ladder basically for the last like for the 703 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: last story, it's a little precarious, but she could have 704 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: just simply gone out the window to the fire escape 705 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,760 Speaker 1: and climbed up the ladder and then up the ladder 706 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: to the tanks. It's not you know, it's a little UM. 707 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,320 Speaker 1: It would be a little bit of a scary trip 708 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: up that ladder, I think. But considering what happened, she 709 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: she clearly was was not in a good place mentally. 710 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: So I think that's completely believable that journalist Josh Dean 711 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: Um went and I think two thousand fifteen to see 712 00:40:54,680 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: this himself. He had gotten obsessed with the case, so 713 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: he went and kind of investigated it in person, and 714 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 1: UM he quickly found that open window was still open, UH, 715 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: and the fire escape was easily accessible and UM in 716 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: the UH. I think one of his articles is called 717 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 1: American Horror Story, which is a reference to UM. What 718 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 1: I think the Hotel season of American Horror Story was 719 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: based on or inspired by Elsa Lamb's disappearance. Um. But 720 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: there's a picture that he took of that ladder leading 721 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: from the fire escape on the fifth or fourteenth floor 722 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: up to the roof, and all you see is up, 723 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: like you just see the ladder and then above it 724 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: is sky. But after reading about it, your imagination just 725 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 1: thinks of like the fifteen stories behind you, like as 726 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: you're you know, as you're looking up this ladder. It's 727 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: one of the most unsettling pictures I've ever seen. If 728 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 1: you read the text, uh, you know that surround it. Um. 729 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: But he said, by his judgment, an average person could 730 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,839 Speaker 1: easily make it up that ladder, especially if you don't 731 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: look down. He said, if you're carrying a body or 732 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: another person, you could not do it. He said, it 733 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: just would be too difficult. And you know, it's one 734 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: of those straight up vertical ladders on the side of 735 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: the building. Yeah, but if you were in a manic state, 736 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: as a lot of people believe Alsa Lamb was, um, 737 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: you could probably make it up that ladder pretty quickly. 738 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 1: You wouldn't even necessarily consider looking down and all of 739 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 1: a sudden, you'd be on the roof, and after you 740 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 1: were on the roof, it would be a fairly easy 741 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: proposition to get into one of those tanks, especially I 742 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: think she weighed about a hundred and fifteen pounds and 743 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: was about five ft four inches, so it was possible 744 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,319 Speaker 1: for her to get into one of those tanks through 745 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 1: that hatch. But um, either she was too scared to 746 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 1: come out conceivably, or she couldn't get out when she 747 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 1: wanted to get out and tired of treading water because 748 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: the water would have been about eight feet deep and 749 00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: drowned after a while. Yeah, I mean they did. I 750 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: think the police dogs did pick up her scent near 751 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,280 Speaker 1: that window, so that seems to be what happened. And uh, 752 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, this is one of those cases where the 753 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: more I read, like all I could feel was despair 754 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 1: about this poor woman having what looked to be some 755 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:24,400 Speaker 1: sort of medication related manic episode, maybe scared, maybe thinking 756 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 1: someone was following her and trying to get away and 757 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: and going at great links, going to great links to 758 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 1: maybe hide somewhere like inside of a water tank. Um, 759 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, like why her clothes were off or 760 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 1: why her clothes ended up in the tank. I'm not 761 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,839 Speaker 1: saying any of this makes sense, but it is something 762 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: that could happen. And all I can think about is 763 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,880 Speaker 1: what an awful place that she must have been for 764 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,359 Speaker 1: something like this to have happened. Yeah, and I mean 765 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:57,040 Speaker 1: to kind of back up the mental break UM theory, 766 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 1: which is what I buy. That's that's that's where I 767 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: put my stock. UM. She remember, I said she was 768 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 1: originally put in a room with a couple of other 769 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 1: girls she didn't know at the stay on Maine. They 770 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,359 Speaker 1: complained about her behaving strangely, so she was moved to 771 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: her own private room. UM. Apparently she went to a 772 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 1: taping of the Conan O'Brien show and was escorted out 773 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,359 Speaker 1: because she was behaving strangely. And then UM detectives also 774 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: found she was on four different medications for bipolar one 775 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 1: disorder and depression, and UM the l a p D 776 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:40,320 Speaker 1: based on the the the prescription dates on the bottles, 777 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,600 Speaker 1: and then the number of pills that were left and 778 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: the instructions on the bottles, UM the l A p 779 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: D were able to determine that she hadn't been following 780 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 1: UM the dosage recommendations or taking her pills or medications. 781 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 1: So if you put all of that together, and then 782 00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: also that, um, people taking their clothes off as part 783 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:05,719 Speaker 1: of a psychotic episode happens. It's been documented. Um you like, 784 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: there's no there's no pieces missing on the table, like 785 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,600 Speaker 1: she could have gone out on that fire escape, gone 786 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 1: up the ladder, like there's nothing that is well yeah, 787 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,839 Speaker 1: but then there's this really big thing that remains unexplained, 788 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,399 Speaker 1: like it explains absolutely everything, and then suddenly it kind 789 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,840 Speaker 1: of makes all the other stuff like government mind control 790 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 1: or ghosts or whatever seemed just kind of gross. You know, 791 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,400 Speaker 1: totally agree. I believe her parents brought a lawsuit against 792 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,360 Speaker 1: the hotel that was eventually dismissed. If I'm not mistaken, 793 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,480 Speaker 1: and um, it just remains a very very sad situation 794 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 1: in a sad case. And and it is very annoying 795 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,400 Speaker 1: when you get online and everyone thinks that they're spirits 796 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 1: being conjured and in all this wacky stuff. It's just 797 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 1: not the case, not the case. Indeed, you got anything else? 798 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 1: I got nothing else. Well that's it for the Cecil 799 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: Hotel and Na Lisa lamb r I p uh And 800 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 1: since I said our, I p that means it's time 801 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 1: for a listener mail. I'm gonna call this follow up 802 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 1: to Y two k. Uh. And this is something that 803 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,800 Speaker 1: we actually had in our notes that we I guess 804 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 1: just kind of failed to bring up, right, Yeah, I 805 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 1: mean you had it in your notes as well. Yeah, yeah, 806 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,720 Speaker 1: the problem. Um, and we got a lot of emails 807 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,240 Speaker 1: about this, and and we're not gonna fully probably explain 808 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,719 Speaker 1: to everyone's satisfaction how it works. But um, hey, guys, 809 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,040 Speaker 1: just got done listening to the Y to K podcasts, 810 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 1: which brought back an interesting range of memories of living 811 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,279 Speaker 1: through that time. In case you weren't aware, there's something 812 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,960 Speaker 1: called the Unix y two K problem that still exists 813 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 1: but is slowly being fixed by smart people behind the scenes. 814 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,800 Speaker 1: The majority of computers in the world run Unix based 815 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: operating systems, not Windows or mac os, and unless these 816 00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:02,520 Speaker 1: systems are patched at three fourteen on January nineteen uh, 817 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 1: their clocks will roll over to think it's midnight January first, 818 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy. Yes. Uh. The cause is basically the same. 819 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,360 Speaker 1: In the early versions of the OS only had so 820 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,680 Speaker 1: much memory allocated to time representations, but more modern versions 821 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,359 Speaker 1: now have this fixed and hence computers aren't susceptible once 822 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,839 Speaker 1: they're updated or upgraded, although not all systems can be 823 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,520 Speaker 1: easily updated. Uh. And that is from a bunch of people, 824 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:32,720 Speaker 1: but specifically from PhD Allen Chalker. That's great, Thanks Alan 825 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,120 Speaker 1: and everybody who wrote in. I was like, oh me, 826 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,240 Speaker 1: and I'm meant to include that. But apparently unix um 827 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,799 Speaker 1: represents time as the number of seconds from the epoch date, 828 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 1: which is some date in nineteen seventy and then eventually 829 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,080 Speaker 1: it's going to have more seconds than it can represent 830 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,440 Speaker 1: in the number of digits, so it will just roll 831 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 1: back over, like he was saying, which it's pretty neat 832 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,520 Speaker 1: unix pretty cool. But also I'm glad to hear that 833 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,439 Speaker 1: they're smart people working on that because we got seventeen years. Man, 834 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,520 Speaker 1: you guys, take it easy, take a weekend, you know, sure, 835 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,800 Speaker 1: go go send in your house and social distance from everybody. 836 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,240 Speaker 1: That's right. Well, we also got a lot of emails 837 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,400 Speaker 1: just from people that some people whose parents helped rewrite 838 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,120 Speaker 1: code or we're heading up projects rewriting code, and it 839 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:20,400 Speaker 1: was it was pretty cool. We got a lot of 840 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:21,920 Speaker 1: a lot of emails about that. When he struck a 841 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,959 Speaker 1: chord Yeah, it was a good idea, Chuck um. 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