Speaker 1: It's twelve thirty two am in an abandoned asylum in
Speaker 1: Dover Plains, New York, and you're listening to night Come hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Night Call, a podcast for your strange
Speaker 1: days and lonely nights. I'm Teslint here in l A.
Speaker 1: With me is Molly Lambert and joining us in New
Speaker 1: York as always Emily Oshida. Hi, Hey, guys, Hello, are
Speaker 1: we ready to take on a hot topic? Hot pot topic?
Speaker 1: We're ready to be the voice of descent? Are we
Speaker 1: ready to be the voice of the millennial generation? Are
Speaker 1: we ready to be old old? As we're in time
Speaker 1: with the thank you next video? The Ariana ground Day video.
Speaker 1: Very popular, I've heard, very popular, very internet bait. E
Speaker 1: um not my favorite. Why well, you guys know, I
Speaker 1: don't like two thousand's nostalgia. It's too soon. It's not
Speaker 1: that it's too soon, it's that it sucked at the time,
Speaker 1: and why would you be nostalgic for it? That's all
Speaker 1: nostalgia though, it's like editing people that were like into
Speaker 1: the whole, like like the Brittany Lindsay Paris years, like
Speaker 1: just even at the time, I was like this is garbage,
Speaker 1: like who cares about I don't know, like none of
Speaker 1: I don't know. I like Mean Girls. Everybody likes me
Speaker 1: and girls. I like that she made herself for Gina
Speaker 1: George instead of Katie. I thought that showed some self awareness.
Speaker 1: I thought it was like, you know, Ariana can do
Speaker 1: this is like maybe like her her heel turn a
Speaker 1: little bit. Maybe, um, because she can started like she
Speaker 1: cast herself as the bitch, which is funny to do. Um,
Speaker 1: it shows kind of I mean, it made more sense
Speaker 1: than like when Taylor Swift did it, like she was
Speaker 1: better at it, being like I'm the bitch and the
Speaker 1: group of girls not. I actually don't mind the odds
Speaker 1: nostalgia and I understand it especially for like maybe Arianna's
Speaker 1: core fan base who didn't actually live through it as
Speaker 1: like adults and uh and maybe you know, have more
Speaker 1: of a rose colored view on it or like, oh,
Speaker 1: I wish I would have been an actual teen when
Speaker 1: Mean Girls came out, which is just like hard to
Speaker 1: fathom I think for us, but um, because I was
Speaker 1: probably not even a teenager anymore when Girls came out.
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I was in for free and it
Speaker 1: was great, but but so my main issue with it
Speaker 1: is twofold one, the song which I think is a
Speaker 1: move off book for Ariana that I think is bad. Uh.
Speaker 1: It is of Taylor Swift like like self mythologizing, like
Speaker 1: work out who I'm talking about stuff, which I think
Speaker 1: is just like petty and not something she usually does.
Speaker 1: She makes it so easy though she actually says that, ye,
Speaker 1: well that's what Taylor does a little bit too. But
Speaker 1: there's that, and then also I just cannot stand and
Speaker 1: Taylor has been doing this for a while now. Everybody
Speaker 1: does this, but Taylor's maybe done it the most egregiously.
Speaker 1: But I hate the movie reenactment music video. I think
Speaker 1: it's so stupid done. Well, I'm trying to think if
Speaker 1: there's a counter example of like a movie. So that's
Speaker 1: the most most recent famous one again like kind of
Speaker 1: what this teen movie nostalgia was, the fancy video, the
Speaker 1: clueless fancy video. There's a not as seen oh man,
Speaker 1: and now I'm trying to remember, Oh, it's like an
Speaker 1: E d M video for like a song that I
Speaker 1: happened to Like, that's like a Thelma and Louise re
Speaker 1: enactment that I stumbled upon because I was trying to
Speaker 1: find I think I've seen that video that's a video.
Speaker 1: It's beyond music video. It it's a yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: just like a beat by beat, like just not Theelma Louise,
Speaker 1: but just let's do Thelma and Louise. And it just
Speaker 1: feels like kind of I mean, sometimes it works in moments,
Speaker 1: but I just think in general it feels like kind
Speaker 1: of an empty gesture in most cases, like I don't
Speaker 1: know what what's new being brought to the table other
Speaker 1: than like get this, like you know what this is.
Speaker 1: Somebody on Twitter was like family Guy ruined culture because
Speaker 1: this is just the thing where it's like, hey, remember
Speaker 1: this thing, Yeah, here's the thing. Remember to referential or
Speaker 1: just like without adding anything to it. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you can be referential. I think that right now we're
Speaker 1: kind of in a weird nostalgic impression because we're still
Speaker 1: getting a lot of eighties nostalgia stuff, um with stuff
Speaker 1: like Stranger Things and that kind of thing, and then
Speaker 1: still kind of lingering on the nineties and now the
Speaker 1: odds stuff is really kind of I mean, I'm mad
Speaker 1: because we skipped over the turn of the millennial millennium entirely.
Speaker 1: We never really did the late nineties, we're going straight
Speaker 1: into mean girls, and I feel like that's the best stuff.
Speaker 1: Did you want, like, I can't wait, I know, no,
Speaker 1: I wanted like, um, I don't know, I I maybe
Speaker 1: maybe because I have no idea, I wanted more like
Speaker 1: white two K stuff. I wanted more like well, I
Speaker 1: want to say that the other videos from this Ariana
Speaker 1: Grande era have actually been really great and original and
Speaker 1: some of the best music videos for a million years.
Speaker 1: So I thought, especially the No Tears Left to Cry
Speaker 1: video kind of was like a amazing why two K
Speaker 1: video almost in that sense where you're like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: like you're trying to recreate anime in music video form um.
Speaker 1: And I liked the God as a Woman video, but
Speaker 1: those are both like, you know, I feel like she's
Speaker 1: both earned the right to do this and also it's tackey.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's I just feel Peter
Speaker 1: Kid ship. It's just like YouTube ship, you know, like
Speaker 1: when somebody breaks up with somebody and then they're like
Speaker 1: extremely performative about how over it they are, Like nobody
Speaker 1: who's really over it is like this performatively like over it,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's all that that song and video
Speaker 1: is and it stresses me out. Well, it's weird too,
Speaker 1: because it's like it is like, hey, I'm taking all
Speaker 1: the advice everyone's giving me about like not jumping from
Speaker 1: relationship to relationship and like learning to love myself. But
Speaker 1: I also, I said this on Twitter, I pleased with Ari.
Speaker 1: Now I predict she'll be dating Geezy by New Year's Really,
Speaker 1: that's my prediction. She can't resist pull out a tall,
Speaker 1: tall bag. Yeah yeah, I hate the thank you next video.
Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and say it. I'm a Miranda Sings fan. Wait,
Speaker 1: is it bringing bring it on late nineties? Is it? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah it is, Yeah it is? Yeah Yeah. And thirteen
Speaker 1: going on I guess thirteen going on thirty was when
Speaker 1: two thousand nobody nobody's nostalgic for that movie except Ariana
Speaker 1: gon Day. I guess look me too a little bit. Really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I watched thirteen going on thirty and how feelings I've
Speaker 1: ever seen was lost on me because Mark Ruffalo is
Speaker 1: the boyfriend. It's not a movie without a heartache. Mark
Speaker 1: Ruffalo is like the mumbly boyfriend, which is what he
Speaker 1: does best and what he does only Mark about in
Speaker 1: the cut. Sometimes yes, Oh my god, I was actually
Speaker 1: going to try to rewatch that. It has its moments
Speaker 1: and they all involved Mark Ruffalo, Yeah, Hotel, Echo, Alpha Delta.
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Speaker 1: apply uniform, Papa, I didn't hate it. There's something about
Speaker 1: hating it. They may as me feel old, and so
Speaker 1: I refused to let myself hate it. And honestly, like
Speaker 1: I went into a really deep spiral about YouTube stars
Speaker 1: at a couple of years ago. I know a couple
Speaker 1: of them, and I find their worlds like very fascinating,
Speaker 1: and I think the way that people respond to them
Speaker 1: is a lot like people responded to bloggers back when
Speaker 1: we all were bloggers. So I try to be a
Speaker 1: little bit like, you know, to refrain from being a
Speaker 1: hater to hater back again, I don't think we do
Speaker 1: hate Ariana in general. We like her. We just felt like,
Speaker 1: I don't know something about the video in the way
Speaker 1: it was candory. It's just like made to be h
Speaker 1: it's made to be a YouTube. Well, that's the thing
Speaker 1: is that anytime anything is so clearly manufactured for popularity,
Speaker 1: it's really hard to have a you know, kind of
Speaker 1: organic response to it. I think, um and especially like
Speaker 1: the the anticipation of this video was so intense that
Speaker 1: you were already like bored of it by the time
Speaker 1: I drop. I think that's just what happens now. It's
Speaker 1: like this cycle is so much faster, and it used
Speaker 1: to be like, if you were a huge pop star,
Speaker 1: you could build anticipation for something like that over like
Speaker 1: months or like a month. But personal anticipation is so
Speaker 1: different from collective anticipation, Like personal anticipation is a real thing,
Speaker 1: whereas collective anticipation is something that even if you have
Speaker 1: no interest in a music video, but you watch everyone
Speaker 1: anticipating it, you become swept along. And then you also
Speaker 1: sometimes are like, why am I not being swept along with?
Speaker 1: This particular tide makes you angry? I just I hold
Speaker 1: Arianna at a high standard, love her, UM, and I
Speaker 1: want the I want the best for her. She's a
Speaker 1: good pop star, she's a great pop star. She's the
Speaker 1: last pop star. Well, she can't dance. That's the thing
Speaker 1: that stops her from you know what. Neither neither is
Speaker 1: the greatest. UM. I have to say, I breathed a
Speaker 1: sigh of relief when she broke up with Pete Davidson,
Speaker 1: and I'm just really I'm really hopeful for her. Future,
Speaker 1: I was you shipped it? Well, yeah, but it's okay.
Speaker 1: We can talk about it's some other time. We just
Speaker 1: we should move on about. Emily pointed us to this
Speaker 1: really great article in The New York Times by Jenny
Speaker 1: O'Dell um that probably everyone has read by now. Came
Speaker 1: out about a week ago at time of recording, and
Speaker 1: so you know, hopefully people have read it by the
Speaker 1: time you're hearing this. It's called a Business with No End,
Speaker 1: and it's hard to even say what it's about. Would
Speaker 1: either of you like to take a stab it? It's
Speaker 1: one of the densest things that I've ever enjoyed reading.
Speaker 1: I think, guys, I'm gonna be honest with you. I
Speaker 1: forgot to read it. Oh, I'll explain it to you.
Speaker 1: The graphic made me be like, what is this about?
Speaker 1: I have to say some of these, some of the
Speaker 1: like long reads graphics are really not working for me
Speaker 1: in general. Wasn't this it's like the Amazon story? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 1: The way that the long reads are being presented now
Speaker 1: is like you have to have this interruption of like
Speaker 1: a blinking, like a little mini web page. I find
Speaker 1: it very like somehow ancient looking. It's not it's it's
Speaker 1: not working for me. So so basically this is just
Speaker 1: like a very long Internet rabbit hole that begins with
Speaker 1: the writer hearing from I think a student of hers
Speaker 1: or something that their parents or their family had been
Speaker 1: getting these packages delivered to uh some LLC that they
Speaker 1: had never heard of, like what was it called like
Speaker 1: Valley Valley Fountain Valley Fountain LLC and um and this
Speaker 1: you know kind of weird um like kind of predictive
Speaker 1: marketing and uh like you know the thing where there
Speaker 1: for a while there were um all these Amazon stores
Speaker 1: that would just uh do sort of s e O
Speaker 1: products that were just predictively created. But then you ended
Speaker 1: up with all these bizarre things like an iPhone case
Speaker 1: that had like medical images on yeah, like like I
Speaker 1: don't know, like this acted legs and stuff on a
Speaker 1: on an iPhone case just because like somebody just found
Speaker 1: that people have been searching for that and they decided
Speaker 1: to put it on an iPhone or nobody decided to
Speaker 1: yea yeah. But so she she found that this this
Speaker 1: company one of many that was owned by this um guy,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Park, who was associated with this Christian university called
Speaker 1: All of That University that was in the news recently
Speaker 1: for being a part of the whole sort of weird
Speaker 1: thing that brought down Newsweek. It's like such a it's
Speaker 1: like it's hard to say this this in like distinct
Speaker 1: sentences because it's just like and then, and then and
Speaker 1: then they wrote the story. Yeah, yeah, it's it involves
Speaker 1: the Ivy Times by because because all of that university
Speaker 1: was basically the scam where they would bring like students
Speaker 1: over on student visas to the United States to study
Speaker 1: quotes at all of that universe, but really they would
Speaker 1: just be working in a content farm, like doing clickbait
Speaker 1: for Times. And it was kind of presented as like
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, it's an incubator for young entrepreneurs.
Speaker 1: We're teaching them to be entrepreneurs. Yeah, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're like Stanford, which like we have a revenue generator
Speaker 1: that's not we're not fully dependent on tuition, like we
Speaker 1: do research, but their research is just like creating clickbait.
Speaker 1: And then I guess also creating these stores and and
Speaker 1: I learned the term drop shipping from from this, which
Speaker 1: is like sometimes have you ever been on Amazon and
Speaker 1: you've been looking for something and you see all these
Speaker 1: different retailers that will sell the space cream to you,
Speaker 1: and then one of them is like, for some reason,
Speaker 1: fifty dollars. One of the rest of them are thirteen, um.
Speaker 1: And that's basically what this is. So drop shipping retailers
Speaker 1: don't keep any inventory. They just when they get an
Speaker 1: order for something, order it from overseas and have it
Speaker 1: shipped to you. So it costs like three times as
Speaker 1: much and takes you know, a zillion weeks. But they're
Speaker 1: I guess they're just praying on the one percent of
Speaker 1: people who are you know, don't realize probably old, yeah, probably, yea. Honestly,
Speaker 1: is there like an advantage to it? Well, no, they
Speaker 1: make make the money, you know, they make the you know,
Speaker 1: difference between how much they paid for it and how
Speaker 1: much you get it for. And they're just kind of
Speaker 1: playing the odds with Amazon. Yeah. But these companies that
Speaker 1: are registered and like associated with these Amazon stores. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is like the stuff where I start to get
Speaker 1: like feel creepy, like you start to have a weird
Speaker 1: feeling in your stomach like you do for the entire article.
Speaker 1: Because the companies are named like I wrote some of
Speaker 1: them down bro Pastures yeah, bro Pastures was the best one.
Speaker 1: Dreamless your friend bart lls um and then the creepiest
Speaker 1: one is Giggling I. It's like it's like but it's
Speaker 1: all like upper upper caps, lower caps, upper caps, lower caps. Like.
Speaker 1: The weirdest part of the article though, is that then
Speaker 1: there are like brick and mortar stores that are worn
Speaker 1: out of this whole enterprise that started as like an
Speaker 1: online kind of scam. And so there's one called Steven's
Speaker 1: Books that was you know, and it's all the same
Speaker 1: group of I think it's Steven's Book though. That was
Speaker 1: the weird Steven's bookshop. Steven's Books, dot Com and Steven's
Speaker 1: Book were all the like registered, Yeah, they just registered
Speaker 1: every single domain. And then there's the actual Crisco where
Speaker 1: they said the writer Genio Odel was like, I walked
Speaker 1: in and it just looked like a set for a bookstore,
Speaker 1: and like the sales clerk was like, oh, would you
Speaker 1: like to check out a book? Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot.
Speaker 1: We're not a library if no one comes in, because
Speaker 1: it's just this weird front. And did you watch the
Speaker 1: video of the so so the guy who apparently owns
Speaker 1: this who's like registered as the owner of that LLC.
Speaker 1: Is this like Eastern European guy who's in this video
Speaker 1: do we like talking about the legacy of Steven's Book
Speaker 1: And he's Joseph Blanski, it's his name, and he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: people call me Stevens or Joseph Stevens as my nickname,
Speaker 1: but it's it's he just bought the company, like Steven's
Speaker 1: Books as existed. Why do they establish a brick and
Speaker 1: mortar to make the name legitimate? I guess just to
Speaker 1: have like a toe hold in reality. But then it's
Speaker 1: just becomes this weird independent bookstars profitable. Well, what happened
Speaker 1: was they buy an existing business, like Steven's Books is
Speaker 1: like an existing business or something, especially like an older business.
Speaker 1: They fill it with their merchandise and then it's like, oh, look,
Speaker 1: it's not fake because it's existed for a hundred years.
Speaker 1: Because then they're filling around. They're selling like finger puppets
Speaker 1: or something at the register at Steven's Book, like that
Speaker 1: are also sold by and like retinal cream. They're like
Speaker 1: bot creame and like baby fingernail clippers and like a
Speaker 1: scary horsehad. One of their most successful stories is called
Speaker 1: the name starts off, it's like a little more so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everything they choose is like so off that it must
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Speaker 1: My favorite thing one of my favorite things about the
Speaker 1: Dystopia hell world. I feel like I've said this on
Speaker 1: the pot before, but it's like when you go to
Speaker 1: William Gibson's Twitter, it's just like, what the funk is happening? Yeah, yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: so this is like one of these things that totally
Speaker 1: and this is a subject that we I remember being
Speaker 1: on a short list of south we wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about when we before we even started the podcast, which
Speaker 1: was those like um kind of SEO generated YouTube videos
Speaker 1: for children that are made to automatically all the Johnny
Speaker 1: Johnny videos and stuff like that, which is now weirdly
Speaker 1: gotten to the point where it's like a mainstream meme
Speaker 1: that Johnny Johnny thing, but but all these horrifying things.
Speaker 1: So it's like spider Man elsa kill blood like you
Speaker 1: know what whatever, Like a four year old is trying
Speaker 1: to type into into the YouTube search bar, and then
Speaker 1: all the auto plane ones that would come up after that,
Speaker 1: and that being a weird thing of like what happens
Speaker 1: when we just let the internet take the steering wheel
Speaker 1: and uh, and it always ends up being like this.
Speaker 1: But but it's but it's like the people who end
Speaker 1: up being burying witness to this stuff and actually encountering
Speaker 1: it are either going to be very small children or
Speaker 1: old people who don't know how to do the Internet,
Speaker 1: which is very interesting. I with my older kid, um,
Speaker 1: he was really into like, you know, a bunch of
Speaker 1: YouTube videos. Say didn't you encounter this firsthand? Yeah? So
Speaker 1: I mean with with my son, you know, this was
Speaker 1: like six years ago, like five years ago. I just
Speaker 1: had no idea these things existed. So we would be
Speaker 1: looking at you know, I didn't really like the like
Speaker 1: unboxing videos, but there were some informative like truck vehicle
Speaker 1: whatever videos. So it was like, how does a like
Speaker 1: hydraulic ram or and so it's hard to find a
Speaker 1: movie like featuring these things. So I was like, sure,
Speaker 1: let's watch YouTube. But then everyone else whose kids are
Speaker 1: into like weird niche subjects eventually lands in the kind
Speaker 1: of like diabolical YouTube zone. And so I remember when
Speaker 1: I first saw them, and also there was one called
Speaker 1: I think Insane Gas, which was um, these like it
Speaker 1: looked like video game cars and it was just car crashes,
Speaker 1: but they weren't real, so it wasn't like obviously as
Speaker 1: horrifying as if they had been, but there was this
Speaker 1: we can't really tell the difference when you're I mean,
Speaker 1: like that means the same thing. Yeah, So I think
Speaker 1: in a way, other than people who don't know how
Speaker 1: to use the Internet and children, I think there's this
Speaker 1: interesting thing of like mostly I think children watch them
Speaker 1: and then their parents discover them, and like the parents
Speaker 1: are so horrified and the kids are kind of like
Speaker 1: they don't know to be horrified yet. I guess um,
Speaker 1: which is in a way like its own narrative of
Speaker 1: about it the other day because he is a kid
Speaker 1: who started watching the truck videos, and I was like,
Speaker 1: don't just let the algorithm pick. It's like you should
Speaker 1: keep an eye on it because they're these weird videos. Well,
Speaker 1: it's also strange how something that's kind of just not
Speaker 1: piece together in a thoughtful way can be so disturbing
Speaker 1: but also the most disturbing, but in a way it
Speaker 1: also makes it somehow just it confuses you. You it's
Speaker 1: hard to know exactly how to react. It's not the
Speaker 1: normal feeling of being like horrified by something because you
Speaker 1: can't think about it as like having any intentions exactly.
Speaker 1: It's the lack of intent that's really kind of breaks
Speaker 1: your brain. And I think that's like in this article,
Speaker 1: is the intent to break your brain? I mean, the
Speaker 1: article does break your brain as your brain hearing you
Speaker 1: explain it, because it's like it's all logical, but it
Speaker 1: sounds like such insane nightmare field. I mean, it just
Speaker 1: feels like one one decision is made after another that
Speaker 1: is like made without having thought about any of the
Speaker 1: decisions that came before. Like it's like, oh, well, we
Speaker 1: bought this bookstore because we had to, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: for whatever. We know what though, It's like it sounds
Speaker 1: just as insane as like any tech companies like yeah,
Speaker 1: Strategy Strat, Yeah, we explain it when they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we bought this VR company that's unprofitable because we're going
Speaker 1: to turn it into a teddy bear company that watches
Speaker 1: your children and sings them lullaby um. But Molly, can
Speaker 1: I read you like a little piece of this really
Speaker 1: kind that's legal, but yeah, standing inside it's to read
Speaker 1: from a newspaper. Standing inside Steven's Books was like being
Speaker 1: on a stage set for Steven's Books, Steven's book, Steven's Bookshop,
Speaker 1: and Steven's book all at the same time. It wasn't
Speaker 1: that the bookstore wasn't real, but rather that it felt
Speaker 1: reverse engineered by an online business or a series of them.
Speaker 1: Being a human who resides in physical space, my perceptual
Speaker 1: abilities were overwhelmed. But in some way, even if it
Speaker 1: was impossible to articulate, I knew that some kind of
Speaker 1: intersection of all of that university, Gradia, community, community church,
Speaker 1: ib Port, the Newsweek media group, and someone named Stevens
Speaker 1: was right there with me among the fidget spinners in
Speaker 1: an otherwise unremarkable store in San Francisco. It's so mind bending.
Speaker 1: The space is really uncanny because it is it kind
Speaker 1: of just feels like actually feels like a thrift store,
Speaker 1: like from what it sounds like, like a pawn shop
Speaker 1: or something. But it's like the whoever put together. The
Speaker 1: shop doesn't even know enough about a book sort of
Speaker 1: know how you stacked books on a shelf, because they're
Speaker 1: all stacked up and down. It's so crazy, it's so creepy,
Speaker 1: like it's just off by that much. It's like right,
Speaker 1: It's like, no production designer in the world would actually
Speaker 1: like make a fake book story. It's like only like
Speaker 1: Tommy Wise, oh I shop, it would look in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: It would be like that. So they have a department story. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is my This is like one of my favorite
Speaker 1: parts of it. But Trinity Place appeared suddenly down in
Speaker 1: downtown Manhattan in twelve, the same year that Ibport incorporated.
Speaker 1: That year, Racked wrote about how the department store had
Speaker 1: popped up to sell brands including Sylvia, Lee, Trollie, Dolly,
Speaker 1: Rock and Royalty, and Birkenaby Tour. The Racked journalists wrote,
Speaker 1: if none of these names mean anything to you, you're
Speaker 1: not alone. But Trinity Place is quite real. It's now
Speaker 1: called Lee's Department Store on a recent and that's l
Speaker 1: e easy. Obviously. On a recent visit to Lee's, recognizable
Speaker 1: brands were mixed in with disconcerting objects like a fifty
Speaker 1: nine dollar hat that said oslo Iceland on it and
Speaker 1: something called Granny Attic bubble foam. Both both items appeared
Speaker 1: to be made by j n G Korea Co. Limited.
Speaker 1: Products from Little Martin's Drawer and assa Va were prominently displayed.
Speaker 1: A sorry assortment of wooden furniture haunted the second floor,
Speaker 1: while the third floor remained dark, empty and forbidding. Visitors
Speaker 1: were informed that it is now an event rental space.
Speaker 1: Where is this located? It's downtown and then in the
Speaker 1: financial district in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: just gonna go. Like, So that's the cool thing about
Speaker 1: the article if you look at on On on the
Speaker 1: desktop is that they do like they kind of show
Speaker 1: the process of like clicking one name and going to
Speaker 1: the next and doing like a fine and like, you know,
Speaker 1: the action what it looks like to go through this
Speaker 1: rabbit hole of like one corporation after another. Um. And
Speaker 1: so they do like the thing of looking up uh
Speaker 1: leaves and doing the Google map street view and everything
Speaker 1: and trying to figure out what all the stuff is.
Speaker 1: Just that weird thing of the the Internet like leaking
Speaker 1: into real life kind of cans the question. One of
Speaker 1: the things that I found like most disturbing about this
Speaker 1: is that everybody involved, for the most part, is part
Speaker 1: of like this evangelical organization, and I think without that,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be It wouldn't have this like weird, sinister thing,
Speaker 1: not because they're evangelical, but because they're all members of
Speaker 1: the same religion and they're all working together. If there
Speaker 1: weren't any kind of like ideological glue going on, then
Speaker 1: it might just seem more like that it would just
Speaker 1: be like capitalism than just it's I think the idea
Speaker 1: that that's kind of like creepy about it is that
Speaker 1: everyone's kind of denying their involvement in this and at
Speaker 1: the same time running and a university that espouses evangelical
Speaker 1: I feel like there are other like MLM type things
Speaker 1: that are connected to churches, right, well, yes, and it
Speaker 1: makes sense why. I mean, like anyone who a lot
Speaker 1: of people who are deeply religious, obviously there there's a
Speaker 1: lot of times sended home with lots of kids. To generalize,
Speaker 1: not generalized. Shout out also to our friend Jane Murray
Speaker 1: and her podcast with the dreamt is really great all
Speaker 1: about multi level marketing. Yeah, the thing we're all interested in.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what I thought this was going to be,
Speaker 1: was like that the university was a front for multi
Speaker 1: level marketing. But it's like weirder because it's like than
Speaker 1: that and shallower than that at the same time, I
Speaker 1: think slightly adding to the creep factors the fact that
Speaker 1: they were like operating out of a former sanitarium. Yeah,
Speaker 1: state New York, which got us talking about that for
Speaker 1: a while. Um, that was the one in Duchess County,
Speaker 1: upstate or like state in New York. I think we've
Speaker 1: talked about this before. Upstate New York is like the
Speaker 1: cult zone for the Easterns. Yeah, for people go to
Speaker 1: form their cults. When we were discussing this article, um,
Speaker 1: all three of us thought we were talking about the
Speaker 1: same deserted asylum that all of that university was trying
Speaker 1: to buy. And we were all so we had been
Speaker 1: different ones. We had been to one. We're like, I
Speaker 1: open to the mental hospital, and all the pictures we
Speaker 1: shared it looked like they were the same, but they were.
Speaker 1: Did you guys were talking about to East Coast asylums?
Speaker 1: Let's clarify which ones those were? So mine is in
Speaker 1: my asylum? Is that is in I believe it's Dover
Speaker 1: Plains on the Harlem Valley Metro North line. It's the
Speaker 1: one that you passed. I think it's um it's around
Speaker 1: Dover North so it's Harlem Valley Psychiatric. I think what
Speaker 1: was your psychiatric hospital that's abandoned. Mine is outside Beacon,
Speaker 1: New York. Uh. It is called the Craig House, that
Speaker 1: Craighouse Institute. UM it is. It's beautiful. I I did
Speaker 1: a little bit of like sneaking around it, uh because
Speaker 1: it's like abandoned, but there's still furniture and stuff and
Speaker 1: little yeah, a little herbic's. Um. It was known for
Speaker 1: being a place at both Zelda Fitzgerald and Treatman Campodi.
Speaker 1: Uh spent some time. Yeah when when I only mentioned that,
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think this is the same Asyle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful bill. It looks like it looks like
Speaker 1: the Xavier Institute or something. It's really Yeah, it's like,
Speaker 1: all bricky, how long has it been abandoned? You know
Speaker 1: things on the East Coast that just stay abandoned for
Speaker 1: a hundred years. Baff on me, because well, dude, we
Speaker 1: have a target in the middle of all sitting a
Speaker 1: million years. That's true. They're gonna start building it again
Speaker 1: next year. Well, I was going to say the asylum.
Speaker 1: I was talking about the West Coast Asylum in Downey
Speaker 1: that I've actually never been to, but that is abandoned,
Speaker 1: and I feel like somebody must have used that for
Speaker 1: a haunt or something for no it means it seems
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe I saw that, like Marilyn Monroe
Speaker 1: was there as a kid or something. Those buildings are
Speaker 1: obviously super super creepy. Yea yeah. I feel like of
Speaker 1: all institutions, the ones that shut down if they're it's
Speaker 1: a mental hospital, they just tended to sit there unused
Speaker 1: way more than other things, right, they sit there in
Speaker 1: use And then you're like, oh, remember when and we
Speaker 1: got rid of all the nationalized mental healthcare. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: stems to remind us that it wasn't good, but that
Speaker 1: didn't mean we should get it right. There's a way
Speaker 1: to repurpose that in a good way. But apparently nobody
Speaker 1: really feels like it's another just like, oh, scary place.
Speaker 1: There's um this. I think it was a hospital and
Speaker 1: New Yorkers can maybe correct me on this. I just
Speaker 1: always notice it and think about it and feel spooky.
Speaker 1: There's like a former hospital that's empty that's right before
Speaker 1: you turn into go to JFK, and I always want
Speaker 1: to go in there and wander around. Sometimes you can
Speaker 1: see a light on inside. You're like, that's where I
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Speaker 1: of places where it's hard to go, we've all been
Speaker 1: talking about a Russian fisherman who goes who he pops
Speaker 1: in and out of the conversation. He posts Twitter pictures
Speaker 1: of creepy deep sea fish that he finds. Yes, he's
Speaker 1: a Russian fisherman who trawls the deep sea. I think
Speaker 1: is it where does he trall? We said it last week,
Speaker 1: but we didn't actually talk about it. Oh yeah, did
Speaker 1: we not even talk about it? We never talked about
Speaker 1: it was the gray the gray waters, the White Sea,
Speaker 1: the White Sea, I believe so. Yeah. He he trawls
Speaker 1: the deep deep sea and finds all kinds of sea
Speaker 1: creatures that you've definitely never seen in your life that
Speaker 1: all looked like aliens. Is roman fed Nort's off and
Speaker 1: it's unclear if the if some of the creatures are
Speaker 1: perhaps a little like radiation affected or something. I think
Speaker 1: that I don't know, that was my thought. I was like,
Speaker 1: what's up with some of these guys story. What's amazing
Speaker 1: about some of these is they look like um, the
Speaker 1: images from those uh traffic what are they called? Like
Speaker 1: the like the junk links at the bottom of articles,
Speaker 1: or it's like check to lose weight, yea with holes
Speaker 1: in it or something this food or this is so
Speaker 1: funny you said, the finger with holes in it. I
Speaker 1: saw a lotus pod yesterday and I was, yeah, lotus
Speaker 1: pod phenomenon of the internet where somebody photoshopped a lotus
Speaker 1: pod on into a breast. Yeah, we think we talked
Speaker 1: about that very very early in this podcast. I think
Speaker 1: we talked about that. Then I saw the pot and
Speaker 1: I just like, it's so cool that that exists nature,
Speaker 1: just a thing full of holes just to give you nightmares.
Speaker 1: Well that's what's cool about this Twitter feed also as
Speaker 1: you're just like, wow, nature is so much cooler than
Speaker 1: human beings. Yeah, a lot of these fish just have
Speaker 1: like a lot of teeth. Fish just look silly. They
Speaker 1: just look like like rejected prop department. Yeah, that's too silly,
Speaker 1: really looks like. I'm looking at this fish from uh
Speaker 1: November nineteen. But it's the black scabbard fish. So I
Speaker 1: think a lot of these fish are really deep sea
Speaker 1: dwelling ones. And so when they are brought up, the
Speaker 1: pressure makes their eyes pop out or like there any
Speaker 1: fish swim bladder. It like me to sort them. When
Speaker 1: they're brought to the surface, eyes pop out and they
Speaker 1: look all like funky. Yeah they look so weird. So
Speaker 1: they already look weird. The translation in this tweet says,
Speaker 1: if you think you're not in good condition, this is
Speaker 1: what happens with the red fish during a quick rise
Speaker 1: from the depth. And then you've got this guy with
Speaker 1: like it looks like a giant like inflated water balloon
Speaker 1: balloon tongue coming out of his mouth. Oh yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's so it's the god um Yeah, like part of
Speaker 1: me is like, let them be, let them be in
Speaker 1: the deep sea. Well, it's also they look weird because
Speaker 1: in the deep sea, apparently they can't like in this
Speaker 1: popular science article from a couple of years ago. I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, it's like I never knew any of this,
Speaker 1: and it just seems like something where you keep seeing
Speaker 1: these weird creatures and it never really occurs to be
Speaker 1: like why are they this way? But apparently they like
Speaker 1: food is really scarce, so they're really really thin. They
Speaker 1: have giant eyes so that they can catch any legs
Speaker 1: there's like no light, and then their legs are all
Speaker 1: spindle because otherwise they like sink into the mud at
Speaker 1: the bottom of the floor, like walking in heels on
Speaker 1: the sand. Exactly the one that made me so unhappy
Speaker 1: that I hope good. Yeah on our social Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just like nature is so cool and nightmarish. Human being suck.
Speaker 1: But sometimes, you know, you just when you're a Russian fisherman,
Speaker 1: you just find what you find. I mean, yes, and
Speaker 1: how many of you guys, including me, had the being
Speaker 1: a Russian fisherman fantasy for like an hour after looking
Speaker 1: at this No way, no, you know, I just live
Speaker 1: on a boat. I want to I want to live
Speaker 1: in the Arctic Circle for like a brief period of time.
Speaker 1: But I don't necessarily need to find things in the water.
Speaker 1: I'm cool, just like I'm more fishing. I used to
Speaker 1: fish when I was a kid, but then I kept
Speaker 1: um I would either like try and toss them back,
Speaker 1: but then be concerned that they would die. And then
Speaker 1: eventually I had like a bunch of rainbow perch living
Speaker 1: in aquariums like outside, and then they would fling themselves
Speaker 1: out of the aquariums and oh my god, oh my god,
Speaker 1: me real quick? Another half another another testa in animal story. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm at one point I was like I should eat
Speaker 1: when I guess to try and eat in we like
Speaker 1: deboned this teeny tiny green book trout and ate him
Speaker 1: on a cracker and it was like the worst situation.
Speaker 1: It was terrible. Um. I saw a really cool lizard
Speaker 1: at a used bookstore the other day that kind of
Speaker 1: felt like it was a set, even though it was
Speaker 1: a real used bookstore used bookstore. It was in Pasadena
Speaker 1: and I had never been in it before maybe, but
Speaker 1: it had to sing like orange bearded dragon. I think
Speaker 1: it was called Ali Books. I think the front that
Speaker 1: was like the best bookstore three blocks from a bus stop.
Speaker 1: It's useful. Why were you in Pasadena just hanging out
Speaker 1: doing my thing? The little young lady from Pasadena. Go
Speaker 1: Molly go, Molly go, Molly go. We've been listening. We've
Speaker 1: talked about jan and Dean like five times on this podcast.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to say that I drove dead Man's
Speaker 1: Curve the other day, and Richard Rushfield was right. It
Speaker 1: is a very woosy dead Man's Curve. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like a little scary because other people drive back,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's still not don't do it in the rain.
Speaker 1: It wasn't in the rain, alright. And I drove around
Speaker 1: a bunch on Thanksgiving when nobody is around and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of good driving, and I saw people straight
Speaker 1: up like drag racing on sunset. It was, oh my god,
Speaker 1: don't do that. We do not condone drag racing. Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: I think we should take a night Let's take a
Speaker 1: night call. Night Call. Are you guys? My name is Kent.
Speaker 1: I'm a new listener to the podcast, which is fantastically awesome.
Speaker 1: By the way, Um, I wanted to call I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys are still interested in creepy stories
Speaker 1: are mysterious stories. So this happened to me when I
Speaker 1: was in probably middle school in about nineteen eighty I
Speaker 1: think I was twelve years old. Anyway, there was a
Speaker 1: guy who lived in the neighborhood who was a couple
Speaker 1: of years older, and he claimed to have magical powers.
Speaker 1: This guy's name was Darryl, and he would tell us
Speaker 1: that he is going to teach us how to enchant
Speaker 1: objects and produce an incantation that would put a spell
Speaker 1: on somebody, or a bunch of other stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And we got to be pretty naturally skeptical of him.
Speaker 1: And so he said, all right, I'm going to prove
Speaker 1: to you my powers. And he said, come on, we're
Speaker 1: gonna walk down the street. And as we walked under
Speaker 1: this this um street light, the street light is going
Speaker 1: to turn off. I'm going to use my power. So
Speaker 1: we did. We walked down under the street light, and
Speaker 1: the street light went off right as we walked under it.
Speaker 1: We walked probably like a half a mile to the
Speaker 1: Indus Street and when we came back and said, now
Speaker 1: the street light will turn on. And when we walked
Speaker 1: underneath it, the street light turned on. The curious thing
Speaker 1: is I've noticed that many times um since then, UM
Speaker 1: happening to me. As you pass by a street light,
Speaker 1: it turns off. Sometimes the opposite is true. A street
Speaker 1: light this are already off as you pass by, it
Speaker 1: will turn on. I was wondered if this had some
Speaker 1: some type of brain wave electricity metaphysical explanation that was
Speaker 1: just beyond the ability to detect it with our own senses,
Speaker 1: but that maybe there was a there's an actual explanation
Speaker 1: for why it happens, or who knows, maybe it's just
Speaker 1: creepy mind powers. So I did some Internet searching and
Speaker 1: I saw a few sites kind of devoted to it,
Speaker 1: and most of them really who proved the idea of
Speaker 1: something supernatural happening and said, well, it's just coincidence that
Speaker 1: it happens. But my experience has always been as I'm
Speaker 1: driving right as a freetlight is coming over me being
Speaker 1: that's when you like us out anyway, interested to know
Speaker 1: if you guys know anything further about this, And thanks
Speaker 1: for a great podcast. I'm going to go back and
Speaker 1: listen to the next episode. Thank you so much for listening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a great night call. Yeah, and I've been.
Speaker 1: I mean, I absolutely, I'm so glad that you did
Speaker 1: a spooky one because I feel like we haven't had
Speaker 1: any spooky stories for a while. And I love this
Speaker 1: because I had never heard of it, but it totally
Speaker 1: makes sense to me in some weird way and makes
Speaker 1: me think of the Twin Peaks opening credits obviously. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: there's something spooky about street lights to me, maybe anyway,
Speaker 1: because they signal that it's night. UM test, you did
Speaker 1: a bunch of research. Well, I loved to do it
Speaker 1: a little bit. So this is a thing that's called
Speaker 1: street light interference. There's a Wikipedia for it. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of Reddit threads about it. UM. People who believe
Speaker 1: in this being a kind of paranormal or like based
Speaker 1: on human energy output. UM are really really really firm believers,
Speaker 1: and they will not be swayed. Uh. They've they've done
Speaker 1: like some kind of experiments to see if they can
Speaker 1: recreate this, and people who say that it happens when
Speaker 1: they pass under street lights or whatever, that it's like
Speaker 1: particular to them, they can't recreate it. So, you know,
Speaker 1: scientists are very skeptical of this. UM. I think somebody
Speaker 1: somewhere said that that it's possible that the connection between
Speaker 1: the lamp and its sock it gets looser over time,
Speaker 1: and so if the connection is interrupted, then the street
Speaker 1: light will go off, and then because of what kind
Speaker 1: of bulbs are used or whatever, it takes a minute
Speaker 1: for them to go back on. So I think theoretically,
Speaker 1: when you drive or pass under a street light, you
Speaker 1: could even just that kind of vibration might disrupt the connection.
Speaker 1: But then psychic insights dot WordPress or whatever says they
Speaker 1: say personally, I make street lights go down, make TVs
Speaker 1: go statistic statically nuts. I also can't hold a credit
Speaker 1: card or I'll destroy the magnetic strip and it won't work.
Speaker 1: So do I believe people when they tell me these
Speaker 1: things happen to them? You bet? I do. This reminds
Speaker 1: me I need to watch Poultergeists for a future podcast,
Speaker 1: What We Got What We'll be talking about that in
Speaker 1: the following. I had a friend or a former coworker who, um,
Speaker 1: she had a magnetic implant. Um just a teeny tiny
Speaker 1: I mean like intentionally, it wasn't a medical thing. It
Speaker 1: planted into her finger basically just to be able to
Speaker 1: uh say, that she's a cyborg. Um, she got elective
Speaker 1: surgery for this or this was yeah, yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: a tattoo, but it's a magnet in her finger. Cool
Speaker 1: she did. But but so I had to room with her. Um.
Speaker 1: I think it was at south By Southwest or something
Speaker 1: when we were working there, and her key card for
Speaker 1: the hotel room would always get deactivated every single day
Speaker 1: because she would, you know, brush your hand against it
Speaker 1: and deactivate it. So there's pluses and minuses to being
Speaker 1: a human magnet. Do you think she could turn a
Speaker 1: street left? I don't know, I wonder, Um, I mean
Speaker 1: I've noticed I I feel like I noticed this more
Speaker 1: in l A maybe, but like street lights going on
Speaker 1: and off, and I always thought it was like to
Speaker 1: just cycle through or save energy or something, um, because
Speaker 1: it felt it felt like they went on and often shifts.
Speaker 1: But some of them metio. I mean, I think that
Speaker 1: some of them do have motion sensor. I always I'm
Speaker 1: a slider sl lighter. My dad used to claim that
Speaker 1: he could like change them, and then I realized he
Speaker 1: just was had figured out how did time it? You know,
Speaker 1: off the yellow on the other side. But that works
Speaker 1: for a very long time. Child street lights, no traffic lights,
Speaker 1: but that's what I think we also are talking about, right, No, no,
Speaker 1: this is like the straight lights. Yeah, because traffic lights
Speaker 1: are predetermined, they're on a timer. That's why I brought
Speaker 1: up twin peaks at the video. We're talking about traffic lights,
Speaker 1: the asylums all over it. Um If if anybody who
Speaker 1: has any experience with this or themselves can turn traffic
Speaker 1: lights on off, this is a slider in our life.
Speaker 1: Please give us a night Call one to four oh
Speaker 1: four six night or night email at night Call Podcast
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. But yeah, thank you Kent for
Speaker 1: your call, Umtally. I love I love learning of a
Speaker 1: new phenomenon me too, and I want to know if
Speaker 1: anyone thinks they can turn traffic lights on and off. No, Molly, no,
Speaker 1: it's not that crazy. Street lights as normal, but street
Speaker 1: lights don't control traffic. Also, please follow us on social
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Speaker 1: not going anymore. I I thought that I had mortal
Speaker 1: engines after this morty And when did you call it more?
Speaker 1: It took it more to my steampunk. It took me
Speaker 1: so long you to code that treet and then when
Speaker 1: I did, I was like so mad at you. I
Speaker 1: can't wait to talk about the steampunk movie next time.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, See you next week. Bye okay