1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: You're listening to Seahawks Stories, teaking you behind the scenes 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: with your favorite Seahawks. 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 2: Set back to Bey and Zorn, who's back to pass 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 2: as time looks for the left sideline, throws a bomb 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: down there he's got. 6 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 3: A man in front. 7 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 2: He makes to grab a travel at a thirty down 8 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: of the twenty. 9 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 4: Don't ever get him. He scores touched down. 10 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: Seahawks powered by Seahawks Dot Com. 11 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 2: And Zorn later in perfectly a Rabel who goes in 12 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 2: to score on an eighty yard pass and run play. Now, 13 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: here's your host, the voice of the Seahawks, Steve Raeball 14 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: and Seahawks legend Jim Zorn. 15 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 5: Once again, what a great honor today here on Seahawks 16 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 5: Stories to be sitting across from one of the earliest 17 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 5: Ring of Honor members and one of the newest Ring 18 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 5: of Honor members joins us today Matt Hasselbeck, the great 19 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 5: quarterback for the Seahawks during those terrific Mike Holmgren years. 20 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 6: Matthew, how you doing, Bud? 21 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 4: Oh, it's so guys, how are you? 22 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 5: We're We're all. I don't know about you. I'm trying 23 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 5: to survive a cold for the last couple of weeks. 24 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 5: I think you meant when we were talking a minute ago, 25 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 5: your voice is a little bit shaky, but yours is 26 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 5: not from a cold, right. 27 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think it's a combination of things. 28 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 4: It's cold up here. I live in Boston's but uh. 29 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I'm coaching high school football. We just 30 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 3: finished our season. We just uh uh had. 31 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 4: A great year. 32 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 3: But like, there's all these things in coaching I wasn't 33 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 3: aware of. Like, you know, you don't sleep as much, 34 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 3: you lose your voice, you're standing around all the time. Uh, 35 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 3: there's your your eyesight goes. 36 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 4: I mean, all kinds of things. So I'm learning the 37 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 4: hard way, but I'm loving it. 38 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: Matthew. Uh you you said that you got a great season. 39 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: I know where you ended. Uh just tell everybody how 40 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: you ended your season this year. 41 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 4: Well, we ended, We finished strong. 42 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 3: We ended up winning the state championship at the Division 43 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 3: one level here, which is the top level. And uh 44 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: we also won our conference championship, which was great six 45 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 3: days earlier. So we played the same team in the 46 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: conference championship on Thanksgiving morning, and then six days later 47 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 3: we played that same exact team for the state championship. 48 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 3: And they're the defending state champs, so it was, uh, 49 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 3: you know, it was not a given that we were 50 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 3: gonna do it. 51 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 4: It was. It was great. 52 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 3: The kids were awesome and we uh we knocked off 53 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: the top team and the head coach of the other 54 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: team was a guy that, uh that went to Boston 55 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 3: College like I did and played in the NFL like 56 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 3: I did. 57 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 4: So it was uh, it was. It was fun. It 58 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 4: was a good matchup, but uh, I was psyched to 59 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 4: be a part of it. 60 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: Matthew, did you have a decent qb? 61 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: Uh we got a good quarterback, my son Henry who 62 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 3: if you guys remember little little Henry in my last 63 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: home game with the Seahawks, he was on my shoulders. Yeah, 64 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 3: he's a senior and he played great. He played absolutely 65 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 3: fantastic for us this year and last year. 66 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 4: But uh, I'm really proud of him. 67 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 3: I got to be his quarterback coach, and uh it 68 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 3: was it was a dream come true. And and quite honestly, Jim, 69 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 3: like you. 70 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 4: Know, I was a lot of I was stealing. 71 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 3: I mean I was stealing all kinds of gyms orn 72 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: coaching points and uh pretending like they were my own. 73 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 4: And it was pretty fun. 74 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: Well, that is good. That's uh, you honor me by 75 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: saying that, But your son really had to perform, and 76 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: I know that that he did. In fact, I just 77 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: showed Raves the picture of Henry with the bloody, buody 78 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: nose that he was sporting at the end of your 79 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: semi final game. 80 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, so he broke his nose. 81 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 3: And you know, like if you if you were to 82 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: watch Henry play, he's a great player, but he doesn't 83 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: play anything like me really, like I try to get 84 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 3: him to play time a little bit. 85 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 4: But he's a great runner. He's fast. Like he won't 86 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 4: remind you of me, but but. 87 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: I think what he probably the part that does remind 88 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: uh that I see myself in a little bit is 89 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 3: just like a little bit of like I don't even 90 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 3: know you want to call it, but uh, the broken nose, 91 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 3: I've reminded me of something silly and stupid that I 92 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 3: would have done. You know, Like he's bleeding everywhere, like everywhere, 93 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 3: like for an hour after the game, like it just 94 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: it was was kind of fun, but his mom didn't 95 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 3: like the blood. 96 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 4: It was great. He was so bloody though that when 97 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 4: we got to. 98 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: The emergency room, we didn't break stride. They were like, 99 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: oh my gosh, were you shot. We're like, no, he 100 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 3: wasn't shot. Were you in a car accident. No, not 101 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 3: in a car accident, just got a fist to the 102 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 3: face through the face mask. 103 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 104 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 5: That's one of those things that for those of us 105 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 5: who've had those broken noses and you play through them 106 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 5: and and you know, the opponents at first they think 107 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 5: that's great, and then you keep lining up across from 108 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 5: and there's more blood running out of your face and 109 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 5: down your jersey, and they look across the line and. 110 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 6: They think, this guy's insane, this guy's nuts. 111 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 5: And by the way, So so what you're saying is 112 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,679 Speaker 5: Henry got Sarah's athletic ability. 113 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 6: That's what you're saying, right, you. 114 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: Know, I don't know where he came from. I mean, 115 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: she's a great athlete, my wife. But his speed is 116 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 3: what really perplexes us, because he's like really really fast, 117 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 3: like indoor track nationals kind of fast. So I don't know, 118 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 3: I don't know where it came from. I'm not I'm 119 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 3: not complaining, though. I did have to coach him a 120 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 3: little bit different though, and so I'm glad I was 121 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 3: paying attention when Jim Zorn was coaching Seneca Wallace all 122 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: those years, because I remember things that Jim would say 123 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 3: to Seneca, and I was like, oh, yeah, you know, 124 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: like this would be a good thing because it you know, 125 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: and I worked next to Steve Young for a long 126 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 3: time too. 127 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 4: And and you know. 128 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 3: Your athleticism as a quarterback can be a little bit 129 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 3: of a you know, it's a blessing obviously, but it 130 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: can be a little bit of a curse because you 131 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 3: can rely on that and at times it doesn't work 132 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 3: out and you put your offense in second and seventeen 133 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 3: or something like that. 134 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 4: So it was it was. 135 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: A fun challenge coaching someone so athletic. 136 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 4: Though. 137 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 5: Let me ask you a couple of questions. First of all, 138 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 5: why did you decide to get into coaching. Was it 139 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 5: strictly because of Henry or because you you really enjoyed 140 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 5: the thought of doing it. That's the first question. Second one, 141 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 5: tell me about Jim Zorn as you were coach. I've 142 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 5: known Zee since we were kids as players. As you 143 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 5: heard on that by the way, that highlight when you 144 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 5: have when you only have one play it over and 145 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 5: over and over again. 146 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 6: Which I do. 147 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 5: But tell me about that tell me about the decision 148 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 5: to get into coaching and then and then z Man 149 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 5: as your coach. 150 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, first off, I had no intention of getting 151 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 3: into coaching because I know. 152 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 4: How hard it is, or at least I thought I did. 153 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 3: And there was a clinic in my high school and 154 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 3: the head coach of my high school was there when 155 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 3: I was there as a coach. 156 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 4: So he said, hey, do. 157 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 3: You know anybody that can coach offensive line for the 158 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 3: like three day clinic? And I said, I'll ask around 159 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: and if I don't find anybody, you know, I'll. 160 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 4: Coach a O line for three days. 161 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 3: And he said, well, you know what, our our offensive 162 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 3: coordinator is actually kind of an O line guy by trade. 163 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 4: Why don't I see. 164 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 3: If he'll coach the O line and he usually coaches 165 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: the quarterbacks, and then you can take the quarterbacks instead. 166 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: And that's kind of how it all started. And then 167 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 3: it was so much fun. My dad ended up coaching 168 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 3: tight ends with us for that clinic and then we 169 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 3: just stayed on for the year and and so that's 170 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 3: that's kind of. 171 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 4: What went into it. But I do. 172 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 3: I do coach very similar to how I was coached 173 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 3: by Jim and and Jim Zorn like when he was coaching, 174 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 3: like you. 175 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 4: Know and Steve. 176 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: You know this, like Jim can't run very well, like 177 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 3: he's got a uh. 178 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 4: What do you have, Jim? You got like a rod 179 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 4: in your ankle? What do you have you? 180 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: Well, now I've got a fake ankle. But when I 181 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: coached you, yeah, my I was hobbling around a little 182 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: bit because I had arthritis in my ankle. Football is 183 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: such a great game, and so yeah, I hobbled around. 184 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: Uh but I you know when you watched me, when 185 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: you watch me, when I played, I was I was explosive, 186 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: much like Henry's explosive. 187 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah. 188 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: I can't run. 189 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: So when you played, you were like, you know, Fran 190 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 3: Tarkington out there, you know, you were running around okay, 191 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 3: But but when you coached me, you couldn't run, Like 192 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 3: you could barely jog from drill to drill. 193 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 4: But what Jim did do is he would outthrow all 194 00:07:58,760 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 4: of us. 195 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: I mean when we were having throwing competitions, like Jim 196 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 3: was throwing every bit as well as we were, Like 197 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 3: he was just humming it, just chucking it, like his 198 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 3: arm never went away. You know, if there was a 199 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: seven on seven tournament, he could still compete in. 200 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 4: That, like maybe even now. 201 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 3: So that is something that I also do, like I 202 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 3: can't like I can't run with these kids. I don't 203 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: even try, Like I just I'm like a peloton type 204 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 3: workout person now, you know, Like I don't even try 205 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 3: to run. 206 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 4: But I do throw patent go I do throw routes. 207 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 4: I do throw one on ones. 208 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 3: I do try to outrun them, I outthrow them. I 209 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 3: try to outcompete them the way that Jim sort of 210 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 3: tried to outcompete us with throws. And it's fun, you know, 211 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: it's fun. And Jim, like I don't know if he 212 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 3: did this on purpose, but he made it look so effortless, 213 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 3: like oh. 214 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, here you go. 215 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 3: Zing was just like wow, you know, like you know, 216 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 3: I don't know, he kind of raised the bar for 217 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 3: us a little bit. So my coaching style is a 218 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 3: little bit like that. And and so that's just like 219 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 3: one of many many things I could tell you about 220 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 3: gyms aren't as a position. 221 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: Do you still use any or do you see yourself 222 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: using drills that that makes sense because I always tried 223 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: to use drills that would actually relate to the game 224 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: so that when the game, the game actually was videoed. 225 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: I could run it back and say, you know what, 226 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: look at this, this is exactly this is the drill 227 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: that we worked on two weeks ago or last week 228 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: or yesterday or whatever. That's the drill right there. But 229 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: it would be live in a game. 230 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt. 231 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 3: I think the difference, Like for you, like we always 232 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 3: had you know, maybe one or two equipment managers there 233 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 3: with us, and like four quarterbacks and you. 234 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 4: Know, helpers. 235 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 3: When you're coaching high school football, you know, half it's 236 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 3: like you're you're the guy, like you're. 237 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 4: The person doing it. 238 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: You're the you're the coach, you're the equipment person. Sometimes 239 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 3: you're the athletic trainer. Sometimes you're the you know, you know, 240 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 3: you got to make sure the pylons are on the field, 241 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 3: like you do everything. And that's another reason, like I 242 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: have a tremendous amount of respect for coaches, but especially 243 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 3: high school coaches, and a lot of them are you know, 244 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 3: like high school teachers also, so it's I don't have 245 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 3: that luxury. 246 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 4: But for sure, like Jim, there's a. 247 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 3: Play, you know, we used to call it, uh doubling 248 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 3: right X short seventy two x shell across and you 249 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: know we've run that at a zebra and we run 250 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 3: that play all the time at my high school that 251 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 3: you know that I'm coaching at. And there's one throw 252 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 3: in that progression. It's like the fifth read in the 253 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 3: progression that I remember missing one time. And sure enough, 254 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 3: last year, junior year, my son Henry misses the same 255 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 3: exact throw and I said, we're going to make this 256 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: a drill and it was. It was it was something 257 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 3: that you had done for me one off season. 258 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 4: It was super helpful. And at the. 259 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 3: Time I was like, well, it wasn't my fault that 260 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 3: this ball wasn't completed. It was because I was thrown 261 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 3: it to Max Strong and he's just he's stiff. 262 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 4: That's why I missed. But but that's not true. 263 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 3: But the truth of it was is I needed uh, 264 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 3: I say, KYP. And that's like my term for the quarterbacks. 265 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 4: Know your personnel. 266 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 3: If you're throwing to a full back that body type 267 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 3: is built to like he wants that football between the 268 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 3: three and the eight, you got to make it super 269 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 3: super convenient for him to catch that pass. You're not 270 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 3: throwing to Daryl Jackson on that kind of a throw, JYP. 271 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 3: Know your personnel and Jim, you use the analogy for 272 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 3: me with Steve Largin about a baseball pitcher and a catcher. 273 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 3: Do you remember, do you know what I'm talking about? 274 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: Can you explain that? 275 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, So Largent was a catcher in high school and 276 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: he told me, he said, when he threw the ball, 277 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: his coach told him, when he threw the ball back 278 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: to the pitcher, all he wanted was the pitcher just 279 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: to lift his glove and it had to be on 280 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: the side of his glove, so if it was right handed, 281 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: he would throw it to his left shoulder, and so 282 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: that the pitcher could only just lift his glove, catch 283 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: the ball, and he could make the next pitch. So 284 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: that's how accurate I wanted the quarterbacks. I wanted them 285 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: to make sure that they knew exactly where they were throwing, 286 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: you know, and if went in doubt, I'm going to 287 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: hit you in the face. But in this particular play 288 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: seventy two x shallow cross, Max Strong would run a 289 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: wide route or a swing if you will. Some teams 290 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: call it swing. It's a wide route. And I always say, 291 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: you know, you have to throw it to his front shoulder, 292 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: and it's got to be like Matt said, between the 293 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 1: three and the eight. As he as he turns up, 294 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: keep it in the core. Don't make him reach don't 295 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: make him reach up, don't make him reach down because 296 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: he's likely not max strong, but he's likely to drop 297 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: it well. 298 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 5: And what's interesting here is we had Mike, your old boss, 299 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 5: Matthew on last week with us Homegrown. And I remember 300 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 5: NFL films going into like meetings and talking to Bill 301 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 5: Walsh when Bill was coaching those guys, and that's where 302 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 5: Mike came from obviously, and he talked about the need 303 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 5: for absolute precision on throwing the football, throwing it out 304 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 5: in front, you know, more than like six inches from 305 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 5: the body, No, and it's got to be right in 306 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 5: this certain spot and not on that certain spot. And 307 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 5: and a foot in any direction can make it, you know, 308 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 5: the not the throw that you want. And it's amazing 309 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 5: to me the demand needed and the skill needed by you, 310 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 5: Matt quarterbacks and that now you are teaching and Jim 311 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 5: Todd about where to put that ball so precisely, because man, 312 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 5: that's a that's that's tough to do. 313 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, I think I think to Jim's point, 314 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 3: you know, the other part he said, he's you know, 315 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 3: with the Steve Largent stories. He said, you know, respect 316 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 3: and understand the job that that pitcher has to do, 317 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 3: Like that picture has a job to do. One of 318 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 3: his jobs that we don't want him to have to 319 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 3: do is worry about catching at all, catching about the 320 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 3: throw from the catcher. And you know, so like that 321 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 3: that really hit me when Jim said it. You know, 322 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 3: we might have even been talking about a running play. 323 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 4: At the time when it first came up. 324 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 3: But like, understand and respect the job of the of 325 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 3: the person who's about to. 326 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 4: Catch the ball. 327 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 3: Once they catch it, now the play starts for them 328 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 3: in a way, like they have to go make people 329 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 3: miss run, someone over read blocks, like all that kind 330 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 3: of stuff. So do everything that you can do as 331 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 3: a quarterback in your power to help that person succeed, 332 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 3: much like the catcher and the Steve Largent story. But 333 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 3: for sure, like you know, Jim like was such an 334 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 3: amazing position coach and between you know, kind of the 335 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 3: teamwork of Mike Holmren with Jim as my position coach, 336 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 3: there were so many things that you know, I don't 337 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 3: even know if I understood them or really thought it 338 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 3: was possible the first time around. Like I remember Mike 339 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 3: Hongren just screaming, just screaming at us, like the ball 340 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 3: the football a practice, the football is not allowed to 341 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 3: touch the ground. 342 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 4: It's not a lot to touch the ground. 343 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 3: And it was like, you know, there were certain moments 344 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 3: it was like, what do you mean it's not allowed 345 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: touch the ground? Like this is football, it's kind of 346 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 3: touch the ground, you know. And he was just he 347 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 3: would like he would lose his mind on us a 348 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 3: little bit if the football ever touched the ground. But 349 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 3: what he did is he said a standard that was 350 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 3: so high, and it was like this is what we're 351 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 3: going for. And and I and I promise you there 352 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 3: there were probably numerous practices where the. 353 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 4: Ball did not touch the ground. Now the defense. 354 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 3: Probably wasn't allowed to break it up at times, but 355 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 3: but still like the for an offensive period, the ball 356 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 3: wouldn't touch the ground. 357 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 4: And and you know that. 358 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 3: That is something that I don't know, Like I think 359 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 3: as a coach, part of what your job is to 360 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 3: do is to you know, make take players and help 361 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 3: them become better than they even thought they could be. 362 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 3: Then they could even even imagine that they could be. 363 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 3: And and Mike and Jim certainly help help help me 364 00:15:59,160 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 3: do that. 365 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: Matthew. You know, I think that that was one of 366 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: the attitudes that you brought you obviously brought with you. 367 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: It was competitive because you came out with goals in mind. 368 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: You know, the ball's not going to hit the you know, 369 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: think about that, the ball's not going to hit the ground, 370 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: and you made you so you had to put in 371 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: more concentration. It was really a concentration type of situation 372 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: that you couldn't let go because if you just and 373 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: I used to really get bugged, if you just threw 374 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: vicinity passes, passes that were yeah I hit him, Yeah 375 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: it was close. That does not cut it, not not 376 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: at the NFL level, really not even at the college level. 377 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: But there's an acceptance, if you will, by by some 378 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: coaches thinking because they don't know, if you just concentrate 379 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: a little bit more, you can hit it. You can 380 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: throw the ball right where you want it to be, 381 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: and you can kind of came in with that. Tell 382 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: us the question that I have for you when you 383 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: got selected, you got traded to the Seahawks, how did 384 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: you because it amazed me, how did you come in 385 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: with such a great attitude of team, of knowing what 386 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: what just had, Like you were the one quarterback I coached. 387 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,479 Speaker 1: I think in my whole life who knew exactly why 388 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: you got traded, exactly what you wanted to accomplish, and 389 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: you just brought that whole aura with you when you 390 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: came to the Seahawks. How did you was that in 391 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: you or did you did you study. 392 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 4: Or you know? Yeah? 393 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I would say I had a lot 394 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 3: to learn when I got to Seattle. 395 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 4: I had a lot. 396 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 3: To learn, But I at that point I had learned 397 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 3: a lot of lessons. 398 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 4: I mean I I you know, grew up in a 399 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 4: football family. 400 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 3: My dad played nine years in the NFL, played for 401 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 3: the Patriots, the LA Raiders, the Minnesota Vikings, the New 402 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 3: York Giants. I was around it. I was around you know. 403 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 3: I was around the Bill parcels Is. I was around 404 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 3: you know, some great some great players, some great coaches. 405 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 3: I chose to go to Boston College. Tom Coughlin was 406 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 3: my coach. That was my coach my first year. I 407 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 3: learned a ton from him. I had great position coaches 408 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 3: in college. Uh, you know, I learned a little bit 409 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 3: from everybody, from Dirk Cutter to Steve Kragthorpe to Gary 410 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 3: Croton to I mean. 411 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 4: Just all kinds of guys and so. 412 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 3: And then I get to Green Bay and I'm there 413 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 3: for three years and I'm learning behind Brett Farr of 414 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 3: Our quarterback room included Doug Peterson, Rick Meyer, Andy Reid 415 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 3: was my position coach. Mike McCarthy came in year two, 416 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 3: Mike Sherman year three. Darryl Bevill was there, like Danny 417 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 3: Werfol was a backup, like like there was a There 418 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 3: were a lot of people that I think like planted 419 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 3: seeds or watered seeds in terms of like who I 420 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 3: was as a teammate, who I was as a leader 421 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 3: like some of those things. But but uh, but now 422 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 3: I I think, you know, truly, I think I think 423 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 3: I was young and still growing and learning, and Jim 424 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 3: you ran the quarterback room a certain way. Brock Heward 425 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 3: was was one of the guys in the room. I 426 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 3: thought he was a great teammate and he was a 427 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 3: great leader. Trent Dilfer came in, he was he was 428 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 3: a great leader. So I just I think I was 429 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 3: a work in progress there, but we had we were 430 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 3: building something special, and I know I was a part 431 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 3: of it, but like I kind of feel like I 432 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 3: was a small part of it, especially early on, and 433 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 3: and and I don't know, I don't I don't know 434 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 3: if I have an answer for you, but I'm really 435 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 3: appreciative for the opportunity. 436 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, what I hear you say in your answer is 437 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: that you had a lot of influences that molded and 438 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: shaped you before you got there. But when you came in, 439 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: I noticed just how you wanted to function on the 440 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: team and that made a huge impact on me from 441 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: you a player, and I wanted to give you the 442 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: best I could. I always felt like I was one 443 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: maybe braves, I was one day ahead of these guys 444 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: because they were very quick and they would love to 445 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: waste time, and I had to keep I had to 446 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: stay focused because they knew they knew their stuff, but 447 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: I still wanted to bring them further than what they knew, 448 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: and that was a challenge in itself. 449 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 5: Hey man, Mike, Mike, I know, and he said this before. 450 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 5: He was tough on you as he is on you 451 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 5: know a lot of people, but especially his quarterbacks, because 452 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 5: he was one and he knows how to play the position, 453 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 5: he knows how to coach it. He learned from Bill 454 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 5: Walsh and all that stuff. Did the dynamic end up 455 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 5: being because Mike, I mean, he speaks in such glowing 456 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 5: terms of you, but I know you guys had gotten 457 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 5: sideways a few times. And in fact, he told us 458 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 5: the last time we talked to him here that Kathy, 459 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 5: after one of your discussions, said you've got to go 460 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 5: back and apologize to Matt, which I guess you guys 461 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 5: both did. You said, Okay, we both lost our heads 462 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 5: a little bit. But did z Man have to play 463 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 5: kind of that that middleman between you guys. Was Mike 464 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 5: maybe a little tougher on you than he was on 465 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 5: other guys, And was z Man the guy who was 466 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 5: kind of talking you down at times or two? 467 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 3: I mean, there's so much, There's so much to the relationship. 468 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 3: But like I say, you know, I got to Seattle 469 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 3: kind of like Jim saying. I came from Green Bay 470 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 3: and we were running the same Mike Holmgrend offense, so 471 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 3: to speak, but we were running the Brett var version 472 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 3: of it. And when I was in Green Bay, it 473 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 3: was my job to run the green Bay version of it. 474 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 3: And there were so many tools and there was so 475 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 3: much freedom at the line of scrimmage and there was 476 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 3: all that's like, I don't know, it just felt like 477 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 3: a grown up offense. And when I first got to Seattle, 478 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 3: you know, I just felt like I was on. 479 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 4: Training wheels, you know what I mean. 480 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 3: It's like I was like, no, I have my driver's license. 481 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 4: I don't need training wheels. 482 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 3: And that was my first Like I literally remember we're 483 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 3: playing a game that year oh one down in Oakland. 484 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 3: We're playing the Raiders, and uh, I would call a 485 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 3: play and I audible and it's like a simple audible. 486 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 3: I was basically like same play other way, you know, 487 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 3: like opposite and and like I we snapped the ball 488 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 3: and I'm literally the only person who does the what 489 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 3: I thought. 490 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 4: Everyone was going to do. And I get. 491 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 3: Sacked like right around second base in the dirt, and 492 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 3: like Mike Clongrin. 493 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 4: Loses his mind on me, and I'm like. 494 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 3: But then I'm like, no, I'm right, everyone else is wrong. 495 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 3: Kind of like mindset. And Jim was like mind blown 496 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 3: because you know, he. 497 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 4: Was like, who do you think you are? 498 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 3: I mean, so I don't know, I yes, yes, but 499 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 3: I do remember one time, one time, it was kind 500 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 3: of a pivotal moment in my relationship with Mike Hongren 501 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 3: is like Mike was always hard on me, hard on everybody, 502 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 3: and Jim was sort of like, I don't know, like 503 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 3: the person I could trust the most, you know, Like 504 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 3: he was like he was my guy and I was 505 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 3: his guy. And there was a moment one time when 506 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 3: when Jim got mad at me at practice and I remember, 507 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 3: like Mike, we weren't like super like Buddy. Buddy was 508 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 3: like he was the head coach and I was a quarterback. 509 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 3: And Mike came over to me and was like, Hey, 510 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 3: if you have Jim like mad at. 511 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 4: You, you're the problem. Like you're the problem. 512 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: Oh well, that's great, you know I remember I don't 513 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: necessarily remember that one play you audible to, But Mike 514 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: used to always say, what you don't like my play? 515 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: You don't like what I called? Uh do you have 516 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: a problem with what I called? And uh so, I 517 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: think that's probably what he would come up and tell 518 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: Matt what you didn't like what I called. But Matt 519 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: had a lot of influence as well, and maybe it 520 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: was after a few years, but he we had this 521 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: one play was called Past three twelve Double Quick Hitch, 522 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: and it was really designed a play to run versus 523 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: a three deep coverage. Well, when you had a two 524 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: deep pre snap or Matt would know, hey, it's going 525 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: to be cover two. He wanted audible out of it 526 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 1: because he wasn't going to have either side. They were 527 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: going to take both wide receivers away. So he would say, 528 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: I wanted just audible to a run and we had 529 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, Steve Hutchison and Walter Jones on the left side. 530 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: Let me just audible to run, Max Strong leading the way. 531 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: Let me audible to that play versus a too deep shell. 532 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: And Mike would not budge for a while. And then 533 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: finally he trusted Matt Moore and more. And that was 534 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: really probably the key for the relationship between QB and coach. 535 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: For Mike Hongrin is, I want to be able to 536 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: trust you. And I think he began to trust Matt 537 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: with much more if like Matt put it the driver's 538 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: license instead of training wheels h and he allowed him 539 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: to be audibling to certain things, but no quarterback really 540 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: just just audibles because he wants to Really, you've planned 541 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: these things out, so they had to be planned for 542 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: Mike to agree to be able to do it. 543 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 5: Matt the trust factor obviously took you guys ultimately to 544 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 5: the Super Bowl. That team just continued to get better 545 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 5: and better and better. 546 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 6: So let's go to. 547 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 5: That season, the Super Bowl year, actually maybe even the 548 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 5: year before that when you were inducted in the Ring 549 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 5: of Honor. In fact, let me go back to that 550 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 5: last last year, right or last season? And was it 551 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 5: last season two years ago? 552 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 3: Last year? 553 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 6: Well if it does for me too, And wait, are 554 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 6: my age? 555 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 4: Money? 556 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 5: Everything runs together when you're my age. And I remember 557 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 5: when we put together kind of the thing that I 558 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 5: was that I needed to say about you, and I said, 559 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 5: I've got to add this one thing. And we talked 560 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 5: about it that night on the great run by Marshawn, 561 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 5: which is still talked about, you know, the seismic activity 562 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 5: and all that stuff, how you were sprinting down the 563 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 5: field to make a block, and I just I always 564 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 5: thought about that that here's the quarterback who's there to 565 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 5: make help get this guy into the end z on 566 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 5: a really terrific run, maybe one of the most memorable 567 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 5: plays in Seayawk's history. But that team that you led 568 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 5: goes all the way to the Super Bowl game. 569 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 6: Talk to me about. 570 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 5: What that team had what it was that you found 571 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 5: in yourself and in your teammates that got you to 572 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 5: that moment in Detroit. 573 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 3: Well, for starters, I think we had no idea like oh, 574 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 3: five training camp. I see footage of that sometimes in 575 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 3: NFL films and it's like that that was the year. 576 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 3: Like that, we had no idea, Like was it wasn't 577 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 3: like we showed up to camp that year and said, oh, 578 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 3: this is definitely our year. It wasn't that it was 579 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 3: just stacking one practice on top of another. That year 580 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 3: was not without adversity. We had adversity. We lost I 581 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 3: think all our starting wide receivers going into a game 582 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 3: in Saint Louis and Jim gave me this coaching point. 583 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 3: He said, Hey, I know we're playing with a bunch 584 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 3: of receivers that are like not starters and you know 585 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 3: all this stuff. 586 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 4: Here's the coaching point I went for you. 587 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 3: And like I had a pen out. I'm like, okay, 588 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 3: I can't wait. 589 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 4: What is it? 590 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 3: And he says and he goes throw it to where 591 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 3: the receivers are, not to where you know they should be. 592 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 3: You know, He's like, I'm not writing that down, Like 593 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 3: what I'm not writing I'm not even writing that down, 594 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 3: but by game time, I took the advice throw it 595 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 3: to where they are, not to where you know they 596 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 3: should be, and literally threw a touchdown pass to Joe Jaravishis. 597 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 4: Should have been looking for him, like twenty. 598 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 3: Five yards downfield, and I'm like, I don't see him anywhere, 599 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 3: and so I just kind of look everywhere and he's 600 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 3: way shallower than that. 601 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 4: And I'm like, all right, we'll do what Jim said. 602 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 4: Threw it to him and he scored a touchdown. 603 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 3: But but it's like it was stuff like that the 604 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 3: game when Mike Holmgren and I had our biggest flare 605 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 3: up and we really didn't have flare ups, but like 606 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 3: the one we did it, we had a major, major 607 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 3: like Kathy Holmgren needs to get. 608 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 4: Involved flare up. That was That was five. That was five. 609 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 3: You know, like there's a lot of stuff that happened 610 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 3: in five that It was like this team overcame adversity. 611 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 3: We went down to Jacksonville first first game, I think, 612 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 3: got spanked, got absolutely spanked, and then I hurt my 613 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 3: shoulder pretty bad throwing a hail mary down two scores 614 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 3: like a hail mary like further than I could throw 615 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 3: a hail Mary. Like I remember he calls, like we 616 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 3: called a two jet rebound path and I'm like, I 617 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 3: can't even reach from right here. 618 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 4: This is a frustration call. 619 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 3: And I'm like, all right, whatever, you know, someone's gonna 620 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 3: get hurt. I didn't think it was going to be me, 621 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 3: and it was me, and like so like that, that 622 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 3: year started out really tough, and uh, I think one 623 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 3: of the lessons in it is like, you know, just 624 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 3: just keep going, just keep going, one foot after another, 625 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 3: one step at a time, one. 626 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 4: Play at a time. 627 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 3: There's a Bill Watshs quote that we used in Seattle 628 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 3: quite a bit, you know, is, uh, you know, just 629 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 3: do everything right and the score will take care of 630 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 3: itself kind of thing. And and I don't know, I 631 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 3: think looking back, I don't remember ever saying that at 632 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 3: the time, but looking back, I think that's just what 633 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 3: we did. 634 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 4: We we may. 635 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 3: Be sacrificed on on talent and and probably valued professionalism 636 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 3: a little bit more of that year in terms of 637 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 3: like just being accountable to each other as players. 638 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 4: And stuff like that. 639 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 3: But no, it was a super special year and I 640 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 3: wish we would have finished it. 641 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 4: But but starting out it was. It really just felt 642 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 4: like every other year. 643 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: I remember so many things about that about that season, 644 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: and one of them, uh was how well we did 645 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: have some seasoned veterans and the relationships between you are 646 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: O Line, Sean Alexander, Darryl Jackson, Bobby Ingram, all these 647 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: guys that were involved, they were so valuable. As we 648 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: got further into the season. As a coach, we coached hard, 649 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: but we didn't say to ourselves, oh my gosh, I 650 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: think we have a chance to go to the playoffs. 651 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: We coached the same, But then towards the end when 652 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: you're winning, you almost coach less because the players, they 653 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: are much more accountable to themselves and they kind of 654 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,479 Speaker 1: take over. And I think that's what happened during that season. 655 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: They just they believed in them in themselves and the maturity. 656 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: They still cracked jokes, and they still were, you know, 657 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: playing a little bit of you know, they were playing 658 00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: loose and free. But once they were concentrating on what 659 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: the job that they had to do was going to 660 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: be accomplished, how it was going to be accomplished, they 661 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: just went right to it and worked really hard to 662 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: get that done. They deserved all the accolades that they 663 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: got after that season for what the work that they 664 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: put in during the season, for sure. 665 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 6: And you should have gotten the ring. I mean that's 666 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 6: just me. 667 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 668 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 3: Can I say one o the things that I think 669 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 3: is like somewhat relevant is like we lost on the 670 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 3: last play of the game and the three playoffs, and 671 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 3: then we lost on the last play of. 672 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 4: The game and the four playoffs. 673 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 3: And and I think like five, it was kind of 674 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 3: like we all just kind of knew we all had 675 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 3: to do a little bit more, a little bit different, 676 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 3: a little bit better, you know, like we couldn't just 677 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 3: do the same thing we do every year. And and 678 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 3: I don't know, I almost think like the losses in 679 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 3: three and o four, like even though they weren't like 680 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 3: Super Bowl losses or NFC Championship losses, like they they 681 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 3: mattered so much to the motivation going into five and 682 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 3: and just you know, I just think I think that was. 683 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 4: Like a major factor. Remember, my disappointment. 684 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 3: Would lose into the Rams for the third time, I'm 685 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 3: literally like pounding the turf as hard as I can, like, 686 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 3: you know, and just that disappointment just kind of turning 687 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 3: that into not gonna let this happen again. Not gonna, 688 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 3: not gonna lose to that team again. And you know 689 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 3: it was it was you know, I guess in those losses. 690 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 3: There's there's something good about the losses, I guess because 691 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 3: it propelled us to the you know, the kind of 692 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 3: team that we were in O five. 693 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 5: Well, and the same thing happened a few years later 694 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 5: when we go down to Atlanta and lose a playoff 695 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 5: game there and literally Russ is talking to Pete on 696 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 5: the way back into the locker room and said, you know, 697 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 5: we're gonna We're gonna go to the super Bowl next year. 698 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 5: This is the team to do it. And in fact 699 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 5: it did happen. So playing days kind of passed. Matthew, 700 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 5: you go into television. That's something I know about little 701 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 5: something about after spending almost. 702 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 6: Four decades in it. Do you is it now? 703 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 5: I got to tell you, I've been around a lot 704 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 5: of you know, when they've had reduction in forced riffs 705 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 5: we call it in the business, and they say, oh, 706 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 5: we got to kind of cut the budget and all 707 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 5: that stuff, so they. 708 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 6: Let people go. 709 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 5: And I was so sorry to see that happen to you, 710 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 5: because you worked hard and you did such a terrific job, 711 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 5: and I'm not you know, I don't want you to 712 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 5: to speak bad, speak ill of people, even though I will, 713 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 5: but I thought they made a mistake. So do you 714 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 5: want to get back to that. What did you enjoy 715 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 5: about that opportunity. 716 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 6: That you had? 717 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I I absolutely loved it. 718 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 3: I wasn't that really my intention to go into TV 719 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 3: or anything like that. I got offered an opportunity to 720 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 3: work with Chris Berman on the show that I grew 721 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 3: up watching, some NFL Countdown, and I was like, are 722 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 3: you kidding me? Chris Berman like yeah, I'm like yeah, 723 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 3: it's awesome. 724 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:52,239 Speaker 4: Let's let's go. 725 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 3: And I started with Randy Moss and Charles Woodson and 726 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 3: it was awesome. It was it was a great experience, 727 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 3: great seven years. I was super bummed, like super disappointed 728 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 3: when when I got the call this summer saying hey, 729 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 3: we're gonna we're gonna lay you off. 730 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 4: You're part of the ESPN layoffs. 731 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 3: And they were like, you know, I don't know, like 732 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 3: you know, spitting it positively, like hey, you know you 733 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,240 Speaker 3: have two years left on your deal. You'll still get paid, 734 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 3: and you know you just can't work anywhere else for 735 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 3: two years and all this stuff. 736 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 4: But I was devastated. I was like really upset. But 737 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 4: looking back, all that all. 738 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 3: That has happened is like it freed me up to 739 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 3: coach Henry in the senior year of high school. And 740 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 3: quite honestly, I just told my wife this the other day, 741 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 3: I said, you know, ESPN laying me off like they 742 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 3: did for me what I never would have had the 743 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 3: courage to do myself, Like I would not have had 744 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 3: the courage to quit my job, invest in family time, 745 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 3: invest in this year my son's senior year, going back 746 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 3: to my own high school, and just pour everything I 747 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 3: have out for the kids that are at my school now, and. 748 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 4: You know, and have missed. 749 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 3: I would have missed out on like this state championship 750 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 3: and like all this stuff with my son, and I 751 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 3: don't think I would have had the courage to do it. 752 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 3: And you hear stories about people who quit their jobs 753 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 3: and choose family or whatever. 754 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 4: And and it's it's it's. 755 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,439 Speaker 3: Unbelievable because you know, I know how tough that would 756 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 3: have been for me to do, and I didn't have 757 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 3: the courage to do it. 758 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 4: So they did it for me. 759 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 3: And you know, this is like a you know, like 760 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 3: an unanswered prayer in a sense that I've had the 761 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 3: opportunity to do it. So looking back, I wouldn't change 762 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 3: a thing, and I don't. 763 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 4: I don't honestly. 764 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 3: I didn't miss it one time this year, maybe the 765 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 3: first week, but I think I was just so into 766 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 3: what I was doing at the high school level and 767 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 3: just loving it that it's all it's all good, and 768 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 3: it worked out better than I could have ever planned myself. 769 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: Hey, Matthew, so you talked about being able to coach 770 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: Henry in high school. A lot of dads want to 771 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: do that and maybe and you with all the knowledge 772 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: that you were bringing in, how did Henry respond to 773 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 1: you as a dad and now you're going to try 774 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: to be his coach and hey, you're the big time player. 775 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: You're going to a big time Did you get a 776 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: lot of eye rolling or did he you know? What 777 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: was that relationship? 778 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 4: Like? 779 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: And matt do you still have a relationship with Henry? 780 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 3: So it's funny, like I put into practice a lot 781 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 3: of the things that sort of Taffy Homegren had recommended 782 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 3: that Mike and I do, And because it is a 783 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 3: thing like dad's coaching their sons and stuff like that, 784 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 3: and so in fifth grade, I did. I kind of 785 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 3: sort of coached a little. 786 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:42,479 Speaker 4: Bit, like during the week. 787 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 3: I was never able to go to games, but I 788 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,479 Speaker 3: coached during the week. When Henry was in fifth grade, 789 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 3: that was the first year that I was done playing 790 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 3: with a teammate of mine that played in the NFL. 791 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 3: I'm a high school teamate of mine that played in 792 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 3: the NFL. We coached our sons, and it was just funny, 793 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 3: like he was hardest on his son and I was 794 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 3: hardest on my son, and so we kind of made 795 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 3: an agreement. I'm like, hey, listen, I'll coach your son. 796 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 3: You coach my son, you know, like like specifically, and 797 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 3: but they're on the same team. So I kind of 798 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 3: understood that I was going to be a thing. But no, 799 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 3: I basically to your question, I was intentional about how 800 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 3: I would coach him, Like if when he would come 801 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 3: off the sideline after a play, I would give him space. 802 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 3: I would let him talk to his teammates. I would 803 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 3: let him talk to other coaches. I would let him 804 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 3: get a drink. I would not be there even if 805 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 3: I had something to say, I would I would I 806 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,919 Speaker 3: would move move. And then this year for his senior year, 807 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 3: maybe like two games into the season, I decided to 808 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 3: go up to the booth and be on the headset 809 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 3: up in the booth too. Again, I think just sort 810 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 3: of let his leadership style kind of fleurus a little 811 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 3: bit and let him not have me on the sideline, like, hey, 812 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 3: I'm not there. Like, you know, he grew up playing hockey, 813 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 3: and I just remember and the goalie equipments a lot, 814 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 3: and I remember there was a time in the goalie 815 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 3: hockey life where it was like tie your own skates, 816 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 3: put are on your own leg pads, like you're old enough, 817 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 3: now it's your turn. And I sort of did something 818 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,479 Speaker 3: similar this year with him as a quarterback, like hey, 819 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 3: you go break the team down. You got the offense, 820 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 3: you know, like let let him have Let him have that, 821 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 3: you know, Mike, Mike and Jim there was a saying 822 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 3: that we said in our quarterback room. Think Mike started it, 823 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 3: and it was they would say to the quarterbacks, you're 824 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 3: an artist, not a blacksmith. You're an artist, not a mathematician. 825 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 3: You know, there's an art to playing quarterback, and you know, 826 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 3: and then Jim would say like, hey, you know, go 827 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 3: ahead and paint your canvas. 828 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 4: You're an artist, and. 829 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 3: That's something those guys said, and I repeat that to him, 830 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 3: you know, like, hey, what should the cadence be here? 831 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, you got it. 832 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 3: Like there are things that are like non negotiables, and 833 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,280 Speaker 3: I'll let you know what those are, but other. 834 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 4: Than that, you got it. 835 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 3: And so I tried to give him the free them 836 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 3: that I would have wanted if I was the player. 837 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 6: Do you want to continue? Do you want to keep coaching? 838 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 6: You want to move up? Do more? 839 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 3: I really do want to keep coaching. I don't know 840 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 3: if I need to move up in a weird way. 841 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 3: I think like if I was in a weird way, 842 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 3: coaching an NFL quarterback would be easier for me. 843 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 4: That's like I don't know a. 844 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 3: Lot, because that's the one thing I feel like I 845 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:28,320 Speaker 3: really do know. Well, you know, high school is it's different, 846 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 3: you know, and it's a lot of work and you 847 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 3: don't have to support, you know, you're trying to scout 848 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 3: an opponent. 849 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 4: You're looking at the film. You're like, I can't this 850 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 4: film is so bad? Are there ten people out on 851 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 4: this film? I have no idea, you know, Like I 852 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:41,399 Speaker 4: don't even know. 853 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 3: The rules all the way like the hash marks are 854 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 3: you know, befuddling to me. 855 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 4: I don't the thing I would say about it. 856 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 3: And I was telling one of my friends this the 857 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,399 Speaker 3: other day, like, like, one of the things I love 858 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 3: about coaching these kids is that, you know, a lot 859 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 3: of them are going to go on to play college football, 860 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 3: and I really, I know I can help them, but 861 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 3: there's there's a lot of them that aren't gonna go 862 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 3: play college football. 863 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 4: You know, the majority ei they're not. But they're all 864 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 4: going to grow up to be adults. 865 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 3: You know, They're all going to grow up to be 866 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 3: probably husbands and dads. 867 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 4: And leaders somewhere. 868 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 3: And I think that's probably the most rewarding part about this. 869 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, we're. 870 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 4: Using football like to you know, as a tool to 871 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 4: kind of be around them and teach them and all 872 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:26,720 Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. 873 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 3: But you know, it's it's it's so much bigger than that, 874 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 3: so much bigger than seventy two X shallo across. Now, 875 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 3: seventy two x shall Across teaches you how to be 876 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 3: like precise, imperfect and like and like you strive to 877 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 3: be the best, et cetera. But it's not about that. 878 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 3: It's about things much much bigger than that. 879 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think with Matt, you can You and 880 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,800 Speaker 1: I are sitting here listening to him, and we're nodding 881 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,919 Speaker 1: our heads. This is right on, and you can see 882 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 1: that Matt is built for more about life through football, 883 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: but football is just a small part of things in 884 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: the bigger picture for him, right well. 885 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 5: And I think any of us, or many of us, 886 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 5: let me put it that way, who played this game 887 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 5: to the level that we played. Certainly me, not to 888 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 5: the level of you guys, but we all played at 889 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 5: this at the NFL level. But we had to come 890 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 5: up through the ranks, and we had to come up somewhere, 891 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 5: and high school was in my estimation. And I just 892 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,760 Speaker 5: saw my high school coach I went back to Louisville, 893 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 5: Kentucky when we played in Cincinnati, where I'm from. He's 894 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 5: ninety seven, Oh my god, and he's still sharp as attack. 895 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 5: He's smarter than I'll ever be, and he's forgotten more 896 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 5: football than I'll ever know. And we sat and talked 897 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,240 Speaker 5: to me myself in a former teammate, high school teammate 898 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 5: and my coach. And every time I do that, and 899 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 5: it's been like five or six years since I saw him. 900 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 5: I just remember that, aside from my father, he was 901 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,240 Speaker 5: the man who had the most influence on my life 902 00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:01,240 Speaker 5: growing up because he taught me things about discipline, achieving things, 903 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 5: and about pride, but not a false pride, but a 904 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 5: pride in doing the right thing the right way. And 905 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 5: so I always remember that. And you're right, matt You 906 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,439 Speaker 5: can have a bigger impact on a young man at 907 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 5: that point in his life than ever in any other 908 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 5: point in a young man's life. So I applaud you, 909 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 5: and I hope that that continues. 910 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, Matthew, let me say one more thing to 911 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,399 Speaker 1: the audience, to you too, Steve, about matt because one 912 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 1: of the things that I remember as we were building, 913 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,839 Speaker 1: he talked about the three season, four season, and then 914 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,319 Speaker 1: in five we end up being able to win it 915 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: and go to the Super Bowl. But one of the 916 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 1: things that I always remember about Matthew is his tempo. 917 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 1: We always talked about tempo, creating tempo on the football field, 918 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,840 Speaker 1: and we did not have an everybody was talking about 919 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: no huddle offenses and oh Peyton Manning. Watch him on 920 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, and when you look at his 921 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,479 Speaker 1: on the line of scrimam antics, he'd snap the ball 922 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: with less than ten seconds to go on the clock. 923 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,359 Speaker 1: But Matt. I say all that to say Matt had 924 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 1: this ability to get in and out of the huddle 925 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: so fast with the play he'd call it, he'd get 926 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: up on the line of scrimmage and then we would go. 927 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 1: He would not sit there and let's study the line 928 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: of scrimmage and slow things down. He just went fast, 929 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:32,280 Speaker 1: so fast that the defensive coordinators and the head coaches 930 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: were all complaining all year long. That's one of the 931 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,320 Speaker 1: things that we would hear from them is we were cheating, 932 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 1: especially because when you see it on video, you can't 933 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: tell when you're preparing for. When you were preparing for 934 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck on the field, you could not tell how 935 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,279 Speaker 1: fast we were really going because the video starts when 936 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 1: he gets up to the line of scrimmage, and man, 937 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 1: it was fast. And those tea teams, I think, just 938 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 1: were always on their heels with what we were doing 939 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: because it was in and out, audible here, quick pass here, 940 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 1: and he had a great rhythm and timing to how 941 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: he played. And I try to coach that into players 942 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: today because the tempo is an offensive weapon and I'm 943 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,720 Speaker 1: not talking about no huddle. I'm just because we huddled, 944 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,800 Speaker 1: we called every play and we got a fillin of 945 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: scrimmage and went Matthew did it as good as anybody 946 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 1: I've said. I don't think anybody has done it as 947 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,360 Speaker 1: well as he's done. 948 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,239 Speaker 6: It, matt Is it a weapon that you choose that 949 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,240 Speaker 6: you teach today. 950 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,239 Speaker 4: It's funny you say that. 951 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 3: I was doing a Matthew Stafford interview down with Sean 952 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 3: McVay last summer and I just showed up at practice 953 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 3: or whatever, and Sean McVay was like, no way, so cool. 954 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 4: That you're here today. 955 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 3: Takes me into the quarterback room and he's like, this 956 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 3: is a video we showed of your first drive against 957 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,839 Speaker 3: Caroline in the NFC Championship game, talking about tempo, how 958 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,760 Speaker 3: you guys just go fast and like don't give the 959 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 3: defense a chance to breathe and you know you're snapping 960 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,160 Speaker 3: it with like, however many seconds on the play clock, 961 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 3: Like a lot of time left on the play clock. 962 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,480 Speaker 3: The funny thing about it, and I told Sean mcvaythis 963 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 3: how that kind of started is I was sick and 964 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 3: tired of getting minus grades on my quarterback Grete sheet 965 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 3: from Jim's orn, and I determined because I had to decide, Okay, 966 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 3: is the safety down or is the safety back? And 967 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 3: I just I kind of watched Trent Tilford do this. 968 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 3: If you just go really really fast, you don't give 969 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 3: the safety a chance to come down or even make 970 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 3: a decision, so you can't be wrong. 971 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 4: So it was really just born out. 972 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 3: Of like, all right, you know, I'm tired of getting minuses. 973 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,799 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna go as fast as I can here. 974 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you did a good job. And I remember talking 975 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,759 Speaker 1: to you a couple of games about how did you 976 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: know he was going to come down? Because I you know, 977 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: you either had to go opposite rotation or you knew 978 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 1: the guy was going to come down. You even changed 979 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: the protection, uh, based we would change protections based on 980 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,319 Speaker 1: a safety coming down to cover the back while the 981 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,719 Speaker 1: linebacker blitzed, And you would change the protection to get 982 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,799 Speaker 1: that taken care of and the guy and and what 983 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,080 Speaker 1: Matthew said, this is what he said to me, as 984 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,720 Speaker 1: I remember he just I saw him take a step. 985 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 1: I said, one step. You did it because of one step? Yes, 986 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: as we were watching video, I could tell if that 987 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 1: guy took one step forward he was coming up. 988 00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,359 Speaker 6: And more times than that he was right. 989 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh he was right. 990 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 4: All you know, I learned to believe it or not. 991 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 3: I mean, Walter Jones did not talk when we were 992 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,840 Speaker 3: talks all the time. I used to change my cadence 993 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,360 Speaker 3: up a lot and acts like I was going to 994 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:46,879 Speaker 3: snap the. 995 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,279 Speaker 4: Ball and or go on a quick count or all 996 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:49,920 Speaker 4: this stuff. 997 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 3: And I remember talking to Walt one time and I said, Hey, 998 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:55,880 Speaker 3: I'm going to try to get that guy a jump, 999 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 3: and Walt was like, it don't matter. What do you mean. 1000 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm trying to a job. He goes na, 1001 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,760 Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if he jumps. 1002 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,719 Speaker 3: All I need to do is see him lean, just 1003 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 3: his flinch, and I know which way he was going. 1004 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,880 Speaker 3: And I got him, and I thought like, dang, that's crazy, 1005 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 3: like and I wonder if that's true for me, and 1006 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,920 Speaker 3: so the same thing. If I could just get the 1007 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,319 Speaker 3: safety to like just just lean, then I know what 1008 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,719 Speaker 3: he was gonna do if I had snapped snapped the ball, 1009 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,520 Speaker 3: and you know, it's it was a nice little, nice 1010 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,120 Speaker 3: little tool weapon whatever. 1011 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,359 Speaker 4: You know. Trick I learned from uh from Wall and. 1012 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,520 Speaker 3: Again, I think most of it is just I didn't 1013 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,800 Speaker 3: want to mind us onims on. 1014 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 1: One of the main one of the main things I 1015 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,400 Speaker 1: had to do with Matthew when we first were together, 1016 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,759 Speaker 1: you know, I was. I would watch him. He was 1017 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,279 Speaker 1: and you could tell probably still is an excitable boy 1018 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 1: and pregame he would just be wired up. So what 1019 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: is it was different? You know, you think about, okay, 1020 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,560 Speaker 1: he's on some kind of drug. Matthew, how many cups 1021 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,200 Speaker 1: of coffee did you drink today? I only drank six 1022 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 1: six cups of coffee. Yeah, So I said, okay, here's 1023 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,759 Speaker 1: the new rule. This is a Matthew Hasselbeck rule. There 1024 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: is no caffeine at all. You're already high enough. I mean, 1025 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:25,480 Speaker 1: you're already excited about playing. You're the excitable boy. No caffeine. 1026 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,840 Speaker 1: And so that was that was a rule. Now I 1027 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,839 Speaker 1: don't know if he obeyed that or not. He'll tell 1028 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,240 Speaker 1: us here in just a second. 1029 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 4: But newborns oh, I know. 1030 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:42,080 Speaker 1: But what he did is I would always remember he 1031 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,440 Speaker 1: needed to eat at halftime. So at halftime, you know, 1032 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 1: we're going to talk, and now he'd beaten a hot dog, 1033 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,640 Speaker 1: or we're going to talk and he's eating a pizza, 1034 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,959 Speaker 1: pizza or we're going to talk, and now he's got 1035 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:55,920 Speaker 1: a Deli sandwich. 1036 00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,799 Speaker 4: You know, he ate hey for the record. For the record, I. 1037 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,360 Speaker 3: Would have eaten something, but like so in the NFL. 1038 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:07,759 Speaker 3: In the NFL, you eat four hours before kickoff, right, okay, and. 1039 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 4: So there's no food and everyone's like, oh, you know, 1040 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,440 Speaker 4: I'm just hungry. But so there was nothing. 1041 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,080 Speaker 3: So I would get people to go into the concession 1042 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,920 Speaker 3: stand and get me something because. 1043 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:19,360 Speaker 2: There was nothing. 1044 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,400 Speaker 4: Now we got that fixed. Eventually it went from a 1045 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,320 Speaker 4: hot dog to a piece of pizza to it. 1046 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,320 Speaker 3: Literally, you're right, it went to it like a turkey sandwich, 1047 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,919 Speaker 3: and you know, we improved it. 1048 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,319 Speaker 4: But other than that, the only thing that. 1049 00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,960 Speaker 3: They were serving at halftime was orange slice. Like you 1050 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,080 Speaker 3: did you know, you played soccer as a kid, and 1051 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,800 Speaker 3: you can only have so many orange slices. 1052 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,920 Speaker 6: So yeah, what a difference. 1053 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,560 Speaker 5: Because I remember the halftime when we were playing, like 1054 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,360 Speaker 5: my rookie was guys going in the bathroom and smoking, 1055 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,759 Speaker 5: you know, have a couple of cigarettes and then come 1056 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,799 Speaker 5: back out into the locker room. And I remember you 1057 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 5: talk about coffee. I one of the games we played, 1058 00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,719 Speaker 5: Mike Curtis was one of our linebackers, our rookie year, 1059 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,200 Speaker 5: the great outside linebacker, and he used to eat no 1060 00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,640 Speaker 5: pregame meal and he just drink coffee, drink like a 1061 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,960 Speaker 5: pot of coffee before the game. So I said, if 1062 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,759 Speaker 5: it's good enough for him and he's playing like in 1063 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 5: his thirteenth year at linebacker, I said, I'm gonna try this. 1064 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,839 Speaker 5: So I tried it, and all it did was make 1065 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,600 Speaker 5: me have to pee like ten times during the game. 1066 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,280 Speaker 5: I had to, and Jack wouldn't let us run inside, 1067 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,319 Speaker 5: so you know, you're kind of back there by the 1068 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,480 Speaker 5: garbage can and hoping that nobody sees you. 1069 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,880 Speaker 6: But that was the dumbest thing I ever did. 1070 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,560 Speaker 5: You know, you have the jitters, you can't hold your 1071 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,359 Speaker 5: hands in front of your face, and now you've got 1072 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,280 Speaker 5: to go to the bathroom about fifteen times. 1073 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:38,920 Speaker 6: So I learned a lot. 1074 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,440 Speaker 5: I learned a lot there before we go and we 1075 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,600 Speaker 5: were getting gonna be wrapping up here, Matt, I know 1076 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,480 Speaker 5: you got things to do, like rest your voice. 1077 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:45,600 Speaker 6: For one. 1078 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,919 Speaker 5: We have both Jim and I have done this now 1079 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,240 Speaker 5: this entire interview, we've gone back and forth between Matt 1080 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:53,160 Speaker 5: and Matthew. 1081 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,000 Speaker 6: When you were playing. 1082 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,920 Speaker 5: I can't tell you how many people would either write 1083 00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,919 Speaker 5: me a note or say something to meal. 1084 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,399 Speaker 6: Why do you call him Matthew? His name is Matt, 1085 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:04,360 Speaker 6: It's Matt Hasselbeck. 1086 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,839 Speaker 5: And I always remember saying, because I heard that his 1087 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,839 Speaker 5: mom called him Matthew, and I just thought it sounded great, 1088 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,320 Speaker 5: And so I called you Matthew. 1089 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,360 Speaker 6: I know you know this. I called you Matthew for 1090 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:16,120 Speaker 6: your entire. 1091 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,719 Speaker 5: Career, and I just felt like that was I felt 1092 00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 5: like it was a little piece of the family. And 1093 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,880 Speaker 5: I got to meet your mom and dad one day 1094 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,920 Speaker 5: after a game, and I knew I think Don and 1095 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,640 Speaker 5: I actually played against each other at time. 1096 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,440 Speaker 6: Or two, sure, but U and they were they said that, 1097 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,719 Speaker 6: you know, they like that. They thought that was really 1098 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,400 Speaker 6: nice that we called you Matthew. 1099 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,880 Speaker 5: So anyway, for those of you out there who are listening, 1100 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,080 Speaker 5: who remember back in the good old days, that's why 1101 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:38,680 Speaker 5: we called him. 1102 00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 6: That's why we call Matt Matthew. 1103 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:44,200 Speaker 4: All Steve, and I'll tell you, like I say, Matt, I. 1104 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,840 Speaker 3: Signed Matt like you know, I introduced myself as Matt. 1105 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,040 Speaker 3: But like there's never been a time in my life 1106 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,839 Speaker 3: ever or anyone in my family, my mom, my dad, 1107 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,120 Speaker 3: my brothers, my wife, my kids, my you know, cousins. 1108 00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:02,400 Speaker 3: Anybody has ever called me matt ever, really it's always 1109 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:07,200 Speaker 3: Matthew always, But yeah, it's both. I guess I don't 1110 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,520 Speaker 3: really care either way, but I will say this, I 1111 00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,399 Speaker 3: know my mom appreciates it. And when someone doesn't call 1112 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,279 Speaker 3: me Matthew and they call me matt she will correct them. 1113 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,640 Speaker 4: So she's a big Steve Rabel fan for that reason. 1114 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:28,120 Speaker 5: Right now, well, listen, Matthew, this has been just a slice. 1115 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:28,279 Speaker 6: Of heaven here. 1116 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,960 Speaker 5: We have enjoyed talking to you. We've been zee and I, 1117 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,040 Speaker 5: you know, kind of put a list together of all 1118 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,040 Speaker 5: the people we wanted to have on and you're right 1119 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 5: there at the top of the list for many, many reasons, 1120 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,839 Speaker 5: and a lot of it doesn't have to. 1121 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:40,360 Speaker 6: Do with football. 1122 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:41,960 Speaker 5: A lot of it has to do with just the 1123 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,719 Speaker 5: person that you are and the person that you kind 1124 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,359 Speaker 5: of grew into here in Seattle, and we watched you 1125 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,600 Speaker 5: grow up in front of our eyes, and now you're 1126 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,600 Speaker 5: doing all these great things. Really many thanks to you. 1127 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,560 Speaker 5: I hope what you decide to do in the future 1128 00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,160 Speaker 5: continues to help those young people that you helped the 1129 00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,480 Speaker 5: last couple of years, because you're the kind of guy 1130 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,719 Speaker 5: that can do just that. Matt Thank you very much, 1131 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,840 Speaker 5: hate us, Sarah and the family. Hey to the folks, 1132 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,719 Speaker 5: and we can't wait till you come out here and 1133 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:08,600 Speaker 5: visit with us again. 1134 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,920 Speaker 3: All Right, I'm coming out for a cracking game, I 1135 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,040 Speaker 3: think New Year's Day and that's kind of my goal. 1136 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,680 Speaker 4: So we'll see if it happens. Busy, busy kid. 1137 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,239 Speaker 1: We'll see see you later, man, all right, buddy, that's 1138 00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,520 Speaker 1: thanks guys, enjoying it, okay, man. 1139 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,239 Speaker 6: Thank you so much. 1140 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,200 Speaker 5: Matthew Hasselbeck joining us here on Seahawks Stories along with 1141 00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,239 Speaker 5: Jim z Ord and yours truly, Steve Rabel. That was 1142 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,040 Speaker 5: That was a treat I enjoyed. That can't wait till 1143 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,919 Speaker 5: we find out who we're going to talk to next 1144 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,160 Speaker 5: week with us, as it's always somebody great from this organization. 1145 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,480 Speaker 5: Thanks for being with us, Thanks for listening in everybody 1146 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:40,040 Speaker 5: till next time. 1147 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:40,640 Speaker 6: We'll see you then.