1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the Last Days of Bombshell. 2 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: In the case of a gorgeous Missing Mom, Anna Walsh. 3 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: When I say gorgeous, I mean glamorous, elegant, could speak 4 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: several languages, had traveled abroad. Just a beautiful woman and 5 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: a loving mother. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 6 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation 7 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: and series XM one eleven friends and family were stunned 8 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: when Anna disappears after a New Year's Eve party. Listen 9 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: new tonight. Police are asking the public to help them 10 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: find a Cohassett, Massachusetts mother of three who vanished without 11 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: a trace on New Year's Day. Thirty nine year old 12 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: Anna Walsh left her home early Sunday morning. She was 13 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: supposed to take a flight from Logan to DC, where 14 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: she works during the week, but there's no record of 15 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: her ever boarding a flight. Police say there's been reports 16 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: that she took a ride share, but investigators haven't been 17 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: able to confirm that. Three days after she was seen 18 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: leaving her home with bags in hand, Walsh was reported missing. 19 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: We cannot confirm that she actually got into a ride 20 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: share in Cohasset. We can further we have confirmed with 21 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: THEO lines and that's been a challenge that she did 22 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: not board a plane this week. Police say her phone 23 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: has been off and there has been no activity on 24 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: her credit or debit cards. Just a loving wife and mother. 25 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: She always says, three beautiful boys, three boutiful boys. So 26 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: she loves so much. So the little boys wondering where 27 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: is mommy? You were hearing our friends at wp R 28 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: I NWUSA, So where's Anna Now? I had to take 29 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: that exact flight very often, and between New York and 30 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: Boston and DC, it's almost a triangle of hourly flights 31 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: with me in all star panel to make sense of 32 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: what we know right now, But first I want to 33 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: go to Bob Ward, reporter for Boston twenty five News. 34 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: You can find him at Twitter at b Ward three. Bob, 35 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Could you just verbalize 36 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: that a little bit better than I did? I mean, 37 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: I know in New York, I would very often have 38 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: to race from Court TV to get to the Marine 39 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: Air terminal at LaGuardia, a different terminal than the main 40 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: LaGuardia terminal, because they had hourly flights not only to 41 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: Atlanta but to DC, where I would go to shoot 42 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: Larry King. And believe it or not, they were so regular, 43 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: almost like a bus. For Pete's sake. I could be 44 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: there within two hours of leaving the studios in Manhattan. 45 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: It was amazing. But there's so many flights out of 46 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: Blogan to New York. And see, that's a lot of 47 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: investigation to find out if she really did get on 48 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: a plane. Right. But you know, Nancy, right from the 49 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: very beginning, this sounded odd because you're talking. This was 50 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: New Year's Day. This was first thing in the morning 51 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: on New Year's Day. She had a party at her 52 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: house that went until about one o'clock in the morning 53 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: New Year's Eve into New Year's Day. A mother of 54 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: three who claimed there was an emergency at her realty 55 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: firm in Washington, DC. Okay, whoa, whoa wait wait, let 56 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: me let me let stuch Right there, Bob ward is 57 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: joining me from Boston twenty five News. I'm drinking out 58 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: of the fire. Hija from you, Bob Warden. You give 59 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: me so much information so quickly. So with the three children. 60 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: She was actually working in DC, living in the Boston area. 61 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: And what was her job in DC? Was it a 62 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: new job? It was a fairly new job. You know, 63 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: we're still trying to unpack some of this stuff. But 64 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: she had she had a job with an apartment own 65 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: in DC. Okay, what was her job in DC? I'm 66 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: not clear on what her job was. She was not 67 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: a realtor, but she was some kind of property manager. 68 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: That's it. That's what it was. Property manager. And hold on, 69 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: just a moment we all know. About getting a new job, 70 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: you feel like you've got to do whatever they want 71 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: to make that great impression so they don't say, Wow, 72 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: we've got her on six months probation. We're gonna can her. 73 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: She's not doing a very good job. I mean, David 74 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,559 Speaker 1: Stutter is with me right now. Guys. Now I think 75 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 1: of David Stutter as a motorman, as an APD Atlanta 76 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: Police Department officer, but now he is a very well 77 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: known lawyer. David Stutter. Do you remember your first day 78 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: on the job as a cop? Absolutely? I do. And 79 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: it was a law long time ago, nineteen to eighty eight. 80 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: And I do remember my first day, and I was 81 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: super excited, super enthusiastic and just wanting to get out 82 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: and stay of the world and didn't want to screw 83 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: anything up. In Land some desk assignment. That's right. We 84 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: were on a very strict six months probationary period when 85 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: we first started there, and any infraction would cause you 86 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: some difficulty right quick. So after your point, absolutely I would. 87 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: I was willing to do whatever I needed to do 88 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: to get in that probationary period. And then you put 89 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: yourself through law school. Can you remember your first day 90 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: working as a lawyer. You're like, yeah, man, but I'll 91 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: screw this up. This is nothing like being a cop. 92 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: That's absolutely right, the same sort of feeling. I mean, 93 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: Karen Stark, you remember you would be with me on 94 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: the set at Court TV. Karen Stark is with me, 95 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: renowned psychologists joining us out of the Manhattan jurisdiction. She's 96 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: at Karen Stark dot com. Karen with the See Karen, 97 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: you'd be with me on the set at Court TV, 98 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: and my stomach will be churney to figure out if 99 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: I can make that flight to get to Larry King's 100 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: studios in Washington to get on the air, you know, 101 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: and I would make it. I don't think I ever 102 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: did not make it. But when you've got a new gig, 103 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: you'll do anything. And if they told me, Hey, you 104 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: got to fly to DC to be on tonight. I 105 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: got sure, I can't wait. Just like this woman, they go, hey, 106 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: you got to fly down to DC. We got an emergency. 107 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: I don't care if it's New Year's Day. And she 108 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: would that plane. Would you agree with that? I would 109 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: agree with it, Nancy. And I remember those days like 110 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: it was yesterday, and you were always doing above and 111 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: beyond what you needed to do. I used to watch 112 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: you and Larry King because I couldn't believe that you 113 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: would make it, and you always made it. But what pressure. Yeah, 114 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: there were a lot of white knuckles in a cab 115 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: trying to get to LaGuardia Marina. So we're hearing from 116 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: Bob Ward that something wasn't right. But yet it was 117 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: a new job, so people chalked it off. Well, you know, 118 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: she's proving herself. But them things even went more sideways. 119 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: Take a list of our friends at Boston twenty five. 120 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: A Cohesset police log is shedding new light on how 121 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: the investigation first got started. It says a call requesting 122 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: a well being check was made on January fourth by 123 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: a man who identified himself as the head of security 124 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: at Honor Walsh's employer in DC, Tishman Speyer. The log 125 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: says Tishman Speyer contacted husband Brian Walsh before he reported 126 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: his wife missing. It explains that he told police on 127 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: a left for DC and he hadn't heard from her since. 128 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: According to the log on his phone, last pig on 129 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: January second at three to fourteen am Incohasset and hit 130 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: the tower on Reservoir Road Incohasset, less than a mile 131 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: from the family's home. Okay with me. Very well known 132 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: PI private investigator Tom Ruskin is with us. Ruskin is 133 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: president of CMP Protective and Investigative Group, Inc. Former NYPD investigator, 134 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: and you can find him at CMP dashgroup dot com. 135 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: Tom Ruskin, I don't like it when it's your job 136 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: calling to report you missing, not your family. Correct. I 137 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: mean it distincts to the high head. It really does 138 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: not to mention that it is a lot easier now 139 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: than when I joined the force before my colleague in 140 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two, to check flight records, to check TSA records, 141 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: to check different airlines. There's only a certain number of 142 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: airlines that would fly between her home and Washington, DC, 143 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: and it's very easy for the TSA and holy insecurity 144 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: to go into those records now and search for her name, 145 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: her data, birth and see if she had a plane reservation, b, 146 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: did she clear security with all the cameras that are 147 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: in airports, and did she actually get on the flight? 148 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: Can I tell you something, Tom Ruskin, That's an excellent point. 149 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: I hadn't even thought of, because I remember going and 150 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: you'll laugh at this, start going to the Greyhouse bus 151 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: station in inner city Atlanta trying to find out if 152 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: a particular woman who always into this day is still 153 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: a Jane Day by the way, who was murdered, if 154 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: she had gotten off of a Greyhound bus before she 155 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 1: was murdered by whom I believe to be a serial killer. 156 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: Don't worry, I got him on one one. He's still 157 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 1: in jail right now, prison prison, not jail. But it 158 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: was so hard to do, Tom Nancy. You'll also remember 159 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: when you ran from Court TV to the Marine Air 160 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: terminal at La Guidi Airport. You used to be able 161 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: to run through no madneatometers. You'd run onto Delta flight 162 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: or People's Express flight or Eastern back then, and you 163 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: just jump on the flight with a random ticket that 164 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: you could play any hour. Nowadays, you can't do that. 165 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: Oh no, tsa man. They got to justify their existence 166 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: and so they will do a full body cavity search 167 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: if they feel like it. It doesn't matter who you are, 168 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: you know who you get searched the most. My mother, 169 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: she's ninety two and going in with a chair when 170 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: we pushed her around the airport even though she can walk. 171 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, they love to hone in on my mom. 172 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: Elizabeth that said, you're right, Tom Ruskin. There's only a 173 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: couple of air of carriers they go between Boston and DC, 174 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: even though they go very often. Time stories with Nancy Grace, 175 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: Bob Bard. You're right, something is not right here. And 176 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: those are the famous words of doctor Henry Lee when 177 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: he was testifying for O. J. Simpsons. Something is wrong, 178 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: and boy was there There were two dead people in 179 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: the driveway. But the employer is reporting on a missing 180 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: not her family. But listen to this WBZ. WBZ is 181 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left by mister 182 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: Walsh for one of honest friends. It's the same day 183 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: Anna was reported missing to police. As I said Brian Walsh, 184 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: hootball is going well. I was just reaching out to 185 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: basically everybody I could. Anna hasn't been in touch for 186 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: a few days. Do you know anyone that might have 187 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: that contact with her? Just you know, calling everyone? So 188 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: I heard of bother you through everything. Fine, So we 189 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: do see the husband reaching out to her friends and 190 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: leaving voicemails for all of them trying to find out 191 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: if they had heard from Anna. Joining right now. Julie 192 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: lewis President and CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc. At Digital 193 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: Mountain dot com. Julie, thank you for being with us, 194 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: Tom Ruskin. The PI points out how much easier it 195 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: is to check flight records through TSA and even getting 196 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: subpoenas very quickly, or asking the carrier you know, like 197 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: Delta to check their records to find out if somebody 198 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: mate a flight. So, according to police, she didn't make 199 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: that fly. But what Julie lewis about Ryde Share, Lift, 200 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: Uber and all the others digitally, wouldn't that leave a 201 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: trail if she had taken a Ryde chair to the airport. 202 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: So you can certainly contact the custodian of records at 203 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: the ubers the lists and types of companies that she 204 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: would have taken a ride share and find out that 205 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: information with legal due process and see what you know, 206 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: what the actual fact pattern is there? Well, what about 207 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: her phone? I mean most people get their Rye chair 208 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: through their phone app. If you have access to her yes, 209 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: if you have access to her phone, you knew the 210 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: whereabouts of that phone, you would have access to the app. 211 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: But most that data would be stored in the cloud 212 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: and pointing up to the Uber application, it might not 213 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: be stored on the local phone. So that's something to consider. 214 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: Got a question for you, Julie Lewis, if we don't 215 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: have her phone, but we do have her code, say, 216 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 1: it's like everybody else in America their birthday or their 217 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: children's birthday, and we have the code for her phone. 218 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: Can we get into the iCloud that way? Typically you 219 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: would need the user name, you would need a password 220 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: for the accounts, and you would also if they have 221 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: a multifactor authentication turned on the code from the text message. 222 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: It's a little harder than I thought. But you know 223 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: what we're talking about, her phone and where is she? 224 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: Where is the husband during all of this? Takeulous our 225 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: cut thirty five Lynn Bland talking you indicate our January 226 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: first three piano did Smarons and which was not his 227 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: house and swamps but gloss because he didn't have his phone. 228 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: He said he knew he was lost when he saw 229 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: a pirate ship on Route one. Defends say fifteen minutes, 230 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 1: then went to Whole Forwards and CBS Savanals was checked 231 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: and he did not enter either with those stores. Okay. 232 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: Bob Ward, Boston, twenty five on this the disappearance of 233 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: Ana Walsh since the beginning, saw a pirate ship on 234 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: Route one? What okay, no, wait a minute, wait, wait 235 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: wait wait, So he says a husband says he's going 236 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: to visit his mother and he gets lost all the 237 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: way to his mom's home, and when he sees a 238 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: pirate ship, he knows he's lost, but then goes into 239 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: Whole Foods the CBS even though he's lost. What the 240 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: pirate ship is a landmark on the Route one area. 241 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: There's a you know that area of swampskip where his 242 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: mother lives. There are some old landmarks, miniature golf places, restaurants, 243 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And I think that's what it 244 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: was that he's talking about, was a landmark that he 245 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: saw that told him where he was. And he said 246 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: he got lost because he didn't have the GPS on 247 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: his phone with him, because he's left it at home. 248 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: Karen Starry, I find that very unusual. I've told that 249 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: my twins is like the wizards and their wands and 250 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: Harry Potter, you don't go anywhere without it. Well, doesn't 251 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: make sense to me he didn't have a cell phone, 252 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: especially if he hasn't heard from his wife. Wouldn't you 253 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: keep your cell phone with you at that time in 254 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: case she called? Well, let's think about this, Nancy. How 255 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: many people really leave home these days without their phone. 256 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: It's improbable. I have trouble believing that he accidentally left 257 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: at home and he knows that he's being watched. It 258 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: seems to me so he intentionally left that phone home. 259 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: I have no doubt about it. He's the necesarious character. 260 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: He knows exactly what he's doing. The search for on 261 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: a waltch local authorities fine something very unusual, take a 262 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: less an hour cut forty. Data from his phone also 263 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: tracked his whereaboats on January three. Locations were traveled at 264 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: four twenty seven on January third to an impartment complex 265 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: in Habington. So veillance shows the dependents Volvo as well 266 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: as a male fitting the dependent's appearance Exeter car near 267 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: the dumpster. He walks to the dumpster carrying a garbage 268 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: bb he's leaning and it appears to be heavy as 269 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: he has toift it pift it into the dumpster. He 270 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: walks to the dumpster with the garbage bab and leaves 271 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: it on full. Forty eight. He hit another complex in 272 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: Abington and at five ten pm, cell phone shows records 273 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: at another apartment. A broad tim video shows a party 274 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: consistent with his appearance and his vovo again he discided 275 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: items in the dumpster. I'm Warren joining us from Boston 276 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: twenty five on his disappearance from the very beginning, I 277 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: don't have a problem with my husband throwing trash out 278 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: there in the dumpster outside our house, but when he 279 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: starts going from one dumpster to the next dumpster, to 280 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: the next dumpster to the next dumpster, all in within 281 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: a one hour period, that concerns me. And you know 282 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: who reminds me of mean You're gonna know this name 283 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: very well. Jennifer Dulos, the missing Connecticut mom of five. 284 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: Remember her husband, Fetus Dulos and his mistress. They're going 285 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: all around town dropping off items and they're caught on 286 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: surveillance video. Why is it, Bob Ward, maybe you can 287 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: shuss some light on this. Why is it that when 288 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: a woman goes missing, her husband suddenly turns into a 289 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: neat nick and he has to throw out the trash. 290 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: Good question, Nancy. I think we on the answer to that, 291 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: and that's the allegation here that the sadly that January 292 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: third incident you just played the cut from the dumpsters 293 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: in the South Shore and Avington and Brockton. What we're 294 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: going to find out in court that is, when the 295 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: remains of Ona Walsh are being discarded in those dumpsters, 296 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: those dumpsters eventually are brought to an incinerator in the 297 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: South Shore of Massachusetts, and within an hour of those 298 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: dumpsters being brought to that incinerator, they're destroyed. Ana Walsh's 299 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: remains have never been located, and the thought is that 300 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: they never will be because that's where those bags were brought. 301 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: The other trash bags that were recovered in this case 302 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: were brought to the north Shore near that pirate ship 303 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: that we just talked about, and they were not brought 304 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: to an incinerator but to a landfill. They were found 305 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: and it's inside. I don't know from getting ahead of us, 306 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: but inside those trash bags is where the evidence, the 307 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: incriminating evidence has been located in this case, Bob Ward, 308 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: could you tell me everything you just said? One more 309 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: and very slowly. I think the gist is that very 310 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: quickly after husband Brian Walsh visited these various dumpsters, the 311 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: dumpsters were cleaned out where the trash was picked up 312 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: and taken some to an incinerator and some to the 313 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: pirate ship. Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, wait 314 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: a minute, Wait a minute, Karen Stark, have you ever 315 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 1: noticed how defendants weave in a tiny bit of truth 316 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: into their big fat lie the pirate ship? I mean, 317 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: that's what makes pathological liar so interesting, Nancy, is because 318 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: it's usually based on a hint of truth, right, like 319 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: no smoke without fire. There's a little bit of smoke, 320 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: but the rest of it they conjure up. And they're 321 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: very AdPT at being able to tell a lie that 322 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 1: has a little bit of truth in it, but a 323 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: lot of faulthood. I like the verbis conjure like a 324 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: magician or a wizard. Because one moment on a Walsh 325 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: is there with witnesses at a New Year's Eve party 326 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: and the next moment she's gone, Okay, Bob Ward joining me. 327 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: Investigative Report of Boston twenty five, tell me again what 328 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: you just said. So on January third, Brian Walsh, according 329 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: to the prosecutors, is recorded on surveillance trying to dump 330 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: trash bags into dumpsters in the south Shore of Boston, 331 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: in the towns of Abington and Brockton. The prosecution believes 332 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: that those trash bags that he was struggling with to 333 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: get into the dumpsters contained the dismembered remains of his wife, 334 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: on A Walsh. Shortly after he did that, those dumpsters 335 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: were brought to an incinerator in the south Shore. Within 336 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: an hour of those trash bags arriving at that incinerator, 337 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: they were incinerated and converted into electricity and Anna's Walsh's 338 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: remains have never been found. It's an absolutely horrific and 339 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: gruesome part of this case. The other half of it 340 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: is that Brian Walsh did not, allegedly did not discard 341 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: of all the evidence in the case on the south Shore. 342 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: The allegation is that he took his tools, the instruments 343 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: that he used to dismember his wife's body along with 344 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: some of her clothes and belongings, and put them in 345 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: other trash bags and discarded those things in dumpsters on 346 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: the north shore of Boston near his mother's house, near 347 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: that pirate ship. Those trash bags have been recovered and 348 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: those items are going to be an important part of 349 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: this case in this trial when it takes place. And 350 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: what do you believe Bob Ward were in those trash 351 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: bags in January? What we've been told was that they 352 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: found a hatchet, a hack saw, They found a bloody rug, 353 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: they found as product purse, they found the boots that 354 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: she was seen wearing at that New Year's Eve party, 355 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: and Nancy, they found her COVID nineteen card. It's absolutely 356 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: stunning what they found. Joining me former APD Atlanta Police 357 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: Department officer and now lawyer, what rank did you get 358 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: to stuttered? Unless there's an investigator, Nante's a homicide detective 359 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: when I left. Okay, David, have you ever had a 360 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: case without a body, a homicide without a body, Yes, 361 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: I had. Can I just say that's a tough pill 362 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: to swallow? It is, but fortunately even in those cases 363 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: and this guy, look, you know, as a homicide detective. 364 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: I would have been looking at this guy immediately simply 365 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: based on the fact that his wife gets on an airplane. 366 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: She's apparently overdue. He hasn't heard from her in three days. 367 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: Only after he is contacted by her employer does he 368 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: make an outcry about his wife. Don't. I mean, my 369 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: wife gets on their plane. She travels frequently. If I 370 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: haven't heard from her a few minutes after she's supposed 371 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: to touch down, I get Frank. I mean, I'm calling 372 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: every you know, trying to call her, call her. This 373 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: guy has done nothing, but he's like a magnet for suspicion. 374 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: I mean, he's going out, he's talking about this pirate ship, 375 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: you know, and not to mention all of this physical 376 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: evidence that's located, which to my point is, you know, 377 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: even the most careful criminals, when they commit these kinds 378 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: of crimes, it's almost impossible to do it without leaving 379 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: some sort of forensic physical evidence behind him. This guy 380 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: has left a mountain of it. I mean, it could you. 381 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: Here's another thing, Julie Lewis, I want to circle back 382 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: to you just a moment about possible nav systems on 383 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: his car. But Tom Ruskin joining me, and they don't 384 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 1: want Karen start to weigh in on this as well. 385 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: Tom Ruskin guy's private investigator Extraordinari President of CMP Protective 386 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: and Investigative, Tom Listen. I don't like jewelry. I really 387 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: don't like fancy clothes. I don't like fancy cars. But 388 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: if you were to take let's just say, this little 389 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: ring right here, this is made of my mother in 390 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: law's jewelry. Okay, it's very thin, let's not be jeweled. 391 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: But if you were to take that, I would come 392 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: after you, all right much. That's my COVID ID card. 393 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: I gotta have that if I ever want to travel 394 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: anywhere with the twins for Pete's sake. I mean, you know, 395 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: your vaccination card. There are just some things that would 396 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: matter to me. And I've got a funny feeling this 397 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: woman would not want her to fancy boots and her 398 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: product hers thrown out. No, and it would be weird 399 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: if she had left and left for a business trip 400 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: if she didn't take those with her, that they wouldn't 401 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: be behind in the house and be scrubable. This guy 402 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: is definitely the prime suspect and probably will be convicted 403 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: at trial. The fact that the matter is to the 404 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: other gentleman's point, you don't need a body anymore to 405 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: prove a case. It sure helps, though, man, come on, Ruskin, 406 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you don't need a body. I'm not 407 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: going to give him a gold star for getting rid 408 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: of the body. And again, he hasn't been proven guilty. 409 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: We're just hypothesizing on the evidence that we have. But 410 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: as sure as heck helps if you do have a 411 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: dead body to prove a murder case. But it also 412 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: goes against him because we know that he was in 413 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: these yards, he was dumping stuff. What is he doing 414 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: dumping or garbage? What's the matter? His pickups not working 415 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: at his house? Karen start, He's so right, And Karen, again, 416 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: I threw this to Stuttern earlier. I think, but why 417 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: do you guys turn into nat Nicks as soon as 418 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: their wives disappear? And again, like Stuttered said, and like 419 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: Ruskin is saying about the trash, it defies the course 420 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: of normal human conduct. He doesn't check on his wife 421 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: to see if she landed. Her employer has to call 422 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: looking for her, and then he wants to take out 423 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: the trash. Fine, do it at the corner at the 424 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: end of the driveway, or the trash in your apartment 425 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: in Manhattan. But why do you go to five or 426 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: six different dumpsters? And because somebody just surprised me. He 427 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: wants and not throw bloody rags and towels and a dumpster. 428 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 1: Do something different what always happens, Nancy. He believes he's 429 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: not going to get caught, and this looks suspicious. So suspicious. 430 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: I mean he gets lost going to his mother. He 431 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: didn't get lost. He's trying to explain his circuitous route 432 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: from one dump to the next, and also saying that 433 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: he went to places where they could check and he 434 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: did not go. So, Nancy, can I jump in for 435 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: one sec? Yes, I just want to brit welso bring 436 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: up the fact this is a woman. Let's assume that 437 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: the husband has nothing to do with her murder. This 438 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: is a woman who's going to take a flight, supposedly 439 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: from Boston to Washington on a business trip. Why is 440 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: her phone off? No one that travels, myself, my loved ones, 441 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: my family. Well, we go to the airport, you show 442 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: off your phone once you're on the flight, and you 443 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: turn it on to this to Stardard's point, once you land. 444 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: Why is she becoming all of a sudden septitious or 445 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: becoming covert in her actions? Right, which sort of defies 446 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: the logic of the husband Tom Ruskin, private an investigator. 447 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. I mean, I don't guess any of 448 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: you people on this panel. I read Don't be a 449 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: victim written by Oh what's that girl's name? Oh Nancy Grace. 450 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: You're supposed to take a picture of when you're in 451 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: the parking deck, which I do and sent to my family, 452 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: and then when I get on the plane, I take 453 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: a picture I'm on the plane and send to them. 454 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: You don't even have to write a text or write words, 455 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: but just let people know where you're going. And Jack 456 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: get think I've even sent them to you before. Yeah, 457 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: so I have Okay, guys, that's not the end of it. 458 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: But I want to ask Julie Lewis something, President and 459 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc. Julie, what about I want 460 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 1: to just say on Star as a blanket nav description, 461 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't his car show everywhere he had been if it were, 462 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: you know, anything older than twenty ten? So before I 463 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: jumped into that, I just you were talking about pictures 464 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: and there were supposedly a picture she photographed of herself 465 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: with her wedding ring off in some of her final photos, 466 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: and so within that picture there's things called xcess data 467 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: that you can look for that potentially could have geolocation 468 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: information about where she was when the picture was taken. 469 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: See that is why you're the expert. I didn't even 470 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: catch that, Julie Lewis so switching gears to the car. 471 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: You know, the car is a moving computer these days. 472 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: On most cars with wife by has GPS, it has 473 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: a cell network, all these things that you can use 474 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: for tracking. So if Brian's cars has that in it, um, 475 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: law enforcement could have certainly used that information. The other 476 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: thing that happens in cars is a lot of people 477 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: think their phones um, and so text messages, contacts, you know, 478 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: browser history, all these things may be on that on 479 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: the car. Now. You know, for example, if you rent 480 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: a car, even that information can be on that. So UM, 481 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: that's something that's really important to note. You may when 482 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: you charge your phone in a car, the car contract 483 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: everything that you have written on your phone during that time. 484 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: It could be thinking like when you when you are 485 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: in an uber your playlist, um. Depending on a configuration. 486 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: It could actually down on that. So you don't want 487 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: to go in some stranger's car rental car um and 488 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: and plug it in because the car and phone TAM 489 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: system could be grabbing and capturing some information from your phone. 490 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: Get to know they I don't want anybody else to 491 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: get all the recipes I download time stories with Meancy Grace. Guys, 492 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: it really cracked wide open when we learned about Google searches. 493 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: I mean, what an idiot. I just can't stress this enough. 494 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut thirty six. This is 495 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: Land Balan talking on January first googled using the son's iPad. 496 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: Some of the searches are as follows. Keep in mind 497 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: that the tenant said he left at sixteen six pm 498 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: four fifty five am on Jerry and first he searched 499 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: how long before a body starts to smell? How long 500 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: before a body starts to smell? Okay, keep going a am, 501 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: how to stop a body from decomposing? And five twenty 502 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: am he searched how to bound the body. At five 503 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: forty seven am, ten ways to dispose dispose of a 504 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: dead body if you really need to. At six twenty 505 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: five am on the First, how long for someone to 506 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: be missing to inherit? At six thirty four am on 507 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: the first, can you go away body pots? Okay, I 508 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: think we need Doctor Kendall Crowns, Chief Medical Examiner, Tarrant 509 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: County Lecturer, University, Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School. 510 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us. Let 511 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: me just ask you a couple of ways, and I'd 512 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: like to point out also this is food for thought 513 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: for you. Karen Stark, psychologist on his son's iPad, like 514 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: they don't know how to read the search history and 515 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: there's daddy searching. How long before a body starts to smell? 516 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: How do you stop a body from decomposing? How to 517 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: get rid of a body? Ten ways to dispose of 518 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: a dead body if you really need to. I'm glad 519 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: he added take that on at the end, how long before? 520 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: How long for someone to be missing to inherit? That's 521 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: not for you, Crowns. Can you throw away body parts? Okay? 522 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: I'm starting to agree with Tom Ruskin and David Stutter 523 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: that you don't really need the dead body to prove 524 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: that someone is dead. Doctor Kendall Crowns. Can you give 525 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: me some quick answers to those This is a lightning 526 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: round for you. How long before a body starts to smell? 527 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns. That just rolled off the tip of your tongue. 528 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask why how do you stop 529 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: a body from decomposing? Ray? I mean, you look at 530 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: it's that guy they found in the iceberg ot see 531 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: the iceman. He was missing for a thousand years and 532 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: he's stuck in the icebergs. A really, refrigeration is the 533 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: best way to prevent a body from decomposing. Ten ways 534 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: to dispose of a dead body if you really need to. 535 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: That's not a medical question. Let me go to the 536 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: next medical question. Can you throw a white body parts? 537 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: You have to, you know, if you don't want the 538 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: trash man to notice them, put them in dumpsters like 539 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: which was possibly done in this case, and then mp 540 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: A dismember the individual into small enough parts that they 541 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: aren't recognizable as human and then mix them in with 542 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: other trash. And another good way is to put them 543 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: in I think it's like these pool chemicals that can 544 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: melt the body parts down into kind of a sludge, 545 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: you know, Doctor Kendall, Crowns. You're actually Nancy scaring many 546 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: people that are listening to you right now putting it 547 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: in pool Karen start, I know you've got something. Dad, 548 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: Hold on, what did you say about pool cleaner, Doctor 549 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: Kendall Crowns. There's there's a certain chemical to use. I 550 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,919 Speaker 1: believe it's in pool cleaning or something else. I can't 551 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: think of it off the top of my head. But 552 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: it'll actually dissolve the dismembered body parts down relatively and 553 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: will dissolve the bone as well, and it'll just kind 554 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: of make this kind of ooze. But then you have 555 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: to dispose of that. I'm glad you're on the right 556 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: side of the law, doctor Kendall Crowns. I really am. 557 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: But guess what, guys, there's more. Take a listen again 558 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: to Lend Bland at nine twenty nine am. What does 559 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: for meal to Hi do? At nine three four am? 560 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: One first? How long does DNA last? At nine nine am? 561 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: Can identification be made on passionate mads? At eleven thirty 562 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: four am. Dismemberment and the Best Ways to dispose of 563 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: the flood at eleven forty four Hydercleaning blood from wooden 564 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: fluid at eleven fifty on the first moment of to 565 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 1: detect flood at one and I'll eight What happens when 566 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: you put body parts in peumonia? But one twenty one pms? 567 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:17,240 Speaker 1: Better full crime scene clothes away or wash them those one? Okay, guys, 568 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: just know that while some of these questions are so rudimentary, 569 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: they are cruel and horrible. And three little boys are 570 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: left without their mother while this guy is googling what 571 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: does from malde hide do? How long does DNA last? 572 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: Can an ID be made on partial remains? Dismemberment? Best 573 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: ways to dispose of a body? What happens when you 574 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: put body parts in ammonia? Should you throw away crime 575 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,760 Speaker 1: scene clothes or wash them? So to doctor Kennel Crown's 576 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: lightning round, Doctor crowns, how long does DNA last? You 577 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: can find dnams on surfaces for years? What does fromaldehyde do? 578 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: Fromaldehyde is a fixative. Also, that's what you use to 579 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: kind of pickle the organs to keep them preserved for 580 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,399 Speaker 1: long periods of time. What happens when you put body 581 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: parts at ammonia? Doctor Kendall Crowns That one, I don't know. 582 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: That's a new one to me, as far as I know, 583 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: I stopped. You're out, No, don't go, I've got more. 584 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: Well one more quickie from land Bilan to listen bonding 585 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,879 Speaker 1: right through that same day at one or two pm, 586 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: do did some more Google searches? What happens to hear 587 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: on a dead body at one thirteen pm? What is 588 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 1: the rate of decomposition of the body found in a 589 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: plastic beag compared to on a surface in the woods 590 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: at one twenty pm? Can baking soda mask or made 591 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: a body smell good? Ken baking soda make a body? 592 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: A dead body smell good? These Google searches have led 593 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: to a bombshell development in the search for Anna Walsh 594 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 1: Bob We're joining me, Boston twenty five News. An indictment 595 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: explained he was indicted on three counts. There was murder, 596 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: misleading investigators and improper disposal of a body. So his 597 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 1: case is being moved up from district court to Superior court. 598 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: And for what I understand now, the two sides are 599 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: working out a date for his Superior court arrayment. And 600 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: the significant of course is that Superior court has the 601 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,879 Speaker 1: authority if he is when he has tried and he's 602 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: found guilty, on first, agree murder to hold him if 603 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: he has convicted on first, agree murder for life no 604 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 1: par all, which is the maximum sentence here in Massachusetts. 605 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: There is no death penalty in Massachusetts. Nancy, Can I 606 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 1: just say one thing about the internet searches and it's 607 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: one thing that has just absolutely haunted me when I 608 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,879 Speaker 1: go back over this timeline and you realize that there 609 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: was a New Year's Eve party, that there were three 610 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: people at this party. It was Brian, and they had 611 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 1: one guest in the house, and that guest left the 612 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,760 Speaker 1: house somewhere between twelve thirty and one o'clock in the morning. 613 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 1: That first search how long before a body starts to 614 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: smell is at four fifty five am. On A Walsh 615 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: was alive at one o'clock in the morning, and at 616 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 1: four fifty five am she's gone, and that search is done, 617 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 1: and I just think about that, and I think that 618 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: she's in the house. They also found we haven't talked 619 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: about this in the distrecord arrangement. They said that they 620 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: found blood in the basement and they found I think 621 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: it was two bloody knives, one broken bloody knife in 622 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 1: the basement and a heavy smell of ammonia in the 623 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: basement of the house. So you know, I'm picturing in 624 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: my mind that her body is there in the basement. 625 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: He's killed her, and he goes and he finds his 626 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: kid's iPad, and he's doing these searches within a couple 627 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: of hours of his wife being there, someone that he loved, 628 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,760 Speaker 1: And this is what he is doing. I had a story, 629 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 1: I broke a story about how he threatened to kill 630 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: her back in twenty fourteen. And here he is, in 631 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,839 Speaker 1: the first day of twenty twenty three, in the house 632 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: with her dead body, and this is she isn't even cold, 633 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: and he is already coming up with this plan on 634 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: what to do with her remains. You know, the depravity 635 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: of this case. I've been doing this for forty years, 636 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 1: and the depravity of this case to me is really 637 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: just off the charts. The three children, the three little boys, 638 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: now no mom and potentially no dad at home either. 639 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: Not that it matters, motive never has to be proven 640 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: in court, But Bob, why why did he do this? 641 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,800 Speaker 1: There's another There's another detail here too, And from talking 642 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: to investigators, the New York Post had this picture you 643 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: all may have seen, and I talked to an investigator 644 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:03,240 Speaker 1: about this. There was a champagne, a box of champagne 645 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: from the party that the New York Post got a 646 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,320 Speaker 1: picture of. That was that was on the dining room table. 647 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: I went knocked on the door when before all this 648 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,399 Speaker 1: blew up, before everything happened, I was trying to talk 649 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,720 Speaker 1: to Brian. I didn't you know when she was missing, 650 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,399 Speaker 1: and we didn't know what we were getting ourselves into, 651 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: really really early on, and I could see inside and 652 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 1: the Christmas tree was still set up and it was 653 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: still lit. You could see inside. I didn't see what 654 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: I'm about to describe to you because the police hadn't 655 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: done their search yet. So they found a bottle of 656 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: champagne and I was still in its box, and the 657 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: New York Post got a picture of this. And on 658 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 1: the side of the box on a Walsh had written 659 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,439 Speaker 1: a note to Brian on New Year's Eve that said 660 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: to Brian, we made it through twenty twenty two. It 661 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,839 Speaker 1: was a tough year, but twenty twenty three is going 662 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 1: to be a great year. Love you on a and 663 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: had had hearts written on it. And the investigator that 664 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,919 Speaker 1: I spoke to said they believed that that was her. 665 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 1: Those are her last words to the world. And when 666 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: I look at there's another Internet search here from December 667 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: twenty seventh. They did not describe where the Internet search 668 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 1: was found, so they didn't say if it was on 669 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 1: the kid's iPad or was on a phone or a computer, 670 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: but all it said was best state for a divorce 671 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,359 Speaker 1: for a man. So that's from December twenty seventh, when 672 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 1: honestill alive before the New Year's Eve party. And it 673 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: makes me wonder if, if, if whatever happened, whatever whatever 674 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: happened New Year's Eve, if Anna never saw this coming, 675 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,320 Speaker 1: just came out of the blue. I think because the 676 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: story that I broke about the threat that she complained 677 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: back in twenty fourteen, before they were engaged, they were 678 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: just dating. She complained to DC police that he threatened 679 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 1: to kill her in twenty fourteen, I think, and I 680 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 1: know investigators think that this is a domestic violence case 681 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: and there's an escalation that started. Then in twenty eighteen, 682 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: there's a selfie picture of her where she's pointing at 683 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,240 Speaker 1: a bruise on her face and she said that she walked, 684 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,400 Speaker 1: she fell at work or something. It's on one of 685 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: her Instagram accounts and I think there was an escalation 686 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: of domestic violence. I don't think the police were ever called, 687 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,800 Speaker 1: but something happened was going on behind the scenes. And 688 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: this is going to be one of the things that 689 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to be watching for to try to understand 690 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: what happened here and how this exploded, because you don't 691 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: you don't get to this kind of and this hatred 692 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: to you know, I can understand a moment of passion 693 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,280 Speaker 1: of murder of um, you know, a moment of anger, 694 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 1: But this dismemberment and this depravity that we see here 695 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 1: in these messages that are called out on the iPad 696 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 1: and then what we've been talking about with the disposal 697 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:10,320 Speaker 1: of the body. It's almost too much. And this is 698 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 1: going to be really interesting to see how this all 699 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:17,240 Speaker 1: unfolds into court. And right now the case file is sealed, 700 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,279 Speaker 1: and we're hoping to get some more information once the 701 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 1: seal is open and we find out some more information 702 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 1: now that he's been indicted, and we get some more 703 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 1: information out of the Grand Jurity Bob Board. Thank you, 704 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,840 Speaker 1: we wait as justice and false goodbye. Thanks