1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Samantha in the Spanning and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: Mom never told you a production of I Heart Radios? 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: How Stuff work? An? Yes, you know what time? It is? Three? Oh, 4 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: it's time for another feminist movie Friday from and It's 5 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: Mulan Editions. Is Mulan Edition, which is one of my 6 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: favorite Disney movies, especially when we talk about animated like 7 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: the classic cartoons. I love it. UM semi appropriate because 8 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: it's lunar New Year right now and as um. I 9 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: actually when I was in China, I was staying in Wuhan, China, 10 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: which is now the center of a lot of concern 11 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: about the coronavirus UM. But I remember when I was 12 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: there and I got to experienced lunar New Year, and 13 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: it was just this amazing, amazing thing. Um. And we 14 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about this movie for a while because 15 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: it does have a lot of layers to it when 16 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: it comes to gender performance and just gender stereotypes in general. 17 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: Speaking of I'll Make a Man out of You, one 18 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: of the songs from that movie is a very popular 19 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: song at our karaoke nights, usually paired with Shania Twains 20 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: man I Feel like a woman. We like to do 21 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: a double feature of those two songs. Okay, I've never 22 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: realized that it came as a double feature. I definitely 23 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: know when that song from that comes up, it brings 24 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: down most of our mill counterparts will stand up, everyone 25 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: list to start singing the song. There's this jet like 26 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: a fist gesture and the kind of get like on 27 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: your knees and you do it. I mean, it's excellent. 28 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: It's surprising, surprising as a word for it. I remember 29 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: seeing this maybe for the first time. I saw it 30 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: at a theater and Dothan alab am A and just 31 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: immediately falling in love with it and trying to see 32 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: it again and again again, right, and I remember watching 33 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: it and it is I don't love animated movies, so 34 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: for me, this is probably one of my top two 35 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: three that I actually will watch and really do enjoy. 36 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: I think for me, having representation even though I'm not Chinese, 37 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: but seeing a woman that is of Asian persuasion and 38 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry um on screen was phenomenal. And not 39 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: only that she was not caricaturized in any way, neither 40 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: were the men, so it wasn't an overly stereotypical statement 41 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: of Asian people of Chinese, people of any of that culture, 42 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: and it was nice to see and it made me 43 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: feel a little more included in the story, as well 44 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: as the fact that she's a strong woman who is 45 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: not necessarily trying to get the approval of any man 46 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: or husband, but trying to defend her family, which I 47 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: I'm all about that. Yeah, And I think it's really 48 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: good as we go into this episode to just remember 49 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: at the time when this came out, it was on 50 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: the heels of beating the Beast, Little Mermaids and Lion King, 51 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: and so people hadn't really seen Disney had this kind 52 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: of one set and Pocahontas was a little bit of 53 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 1: an outlier as well. But until then, you had your princess, 54 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: and she looked a certain way and behaved a certain 55 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: way and wanted ultimately to find a man. Right is 56 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: the disney ification disneyfication of tails. Yeah. Yeah, And and 57 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: as we're gonna get into in a minute, we're really 58 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: lucky that we have worded that with me one. Um, 59 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: but okay, let's talk about what it is we're talking about. 60 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: We kind of chose this also because there is an 61 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: upcoming live action remake coming out March, which, yes, there 62 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: has already been some controversy around because the lead actress 63 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,839 Speaker 1: came out against the protesters in Hong Kong. Right, Yes, 64 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: so again we're talking about the animated version directed by 65 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: Barry Cook and Tony Bancroft is starring ming Now when 66 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy and Beatty Wong if follows father Mulan sort 67 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: of an outcast in her family community as she's trying 68 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: to figure out her place and who she is. The 69 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: sanctioned path is for her to bring honor quote unquote 70 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: to her family by marrying someone respectable. But when her 71 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: elderly ill father, the only man in the family, is 72 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: conscripted as a soldier to fight against the invasion of 73 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: the Huns, Mulan cuts off her hair and ties it up. 74 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: Of course, puts on her father's old armor and takes 75 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: his place by impersonating a man named Ping, and ultimately 76 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: saves the day, or the battle, or the war or 77 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: China in general. Yes, she saves a lot of things, 78 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: a lot of the things. The movie was a critical 79 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: and financial success and spawned a direct to video se 80 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: equal which neither of us have a video game, which 81 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: neither of us had played but I have played Kingdom Hearts, 82 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: which she made an appearance in, and which is interesting 83 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: because she's actually not a princess. That's one of the 84 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: things that's relatable about her. But she's a part of 85 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: the Disney Princess franchise, which is a part of this 86 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: whole Kingdom Hearts game, which if you haven't played, I'm 87 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: not going to try to explain because it's very very 88 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: very very very confusing. Yeah, apparently she has a Deadpool 89 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: came ye what's and of course a sauce tie in 90 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: with McDonald's that was later revived thanks to Rick and Morty. 91 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: And I never knew this. I yeah, I had to 92 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: include this. The ads for the sauce definitely skewed racist 93 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: things like China might run, don't walk, okay, which is 94 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,559 Speaker 1: why the sauce was discontinued to have a very short 95 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: livespan Rick and Morty. Fans brought it back after Rick 96 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: mentioned it on the show and it kind of became 97 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: a running joke on the show. Um and the Ends 98 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:06,679 Speaker 1: had this seen petition that got it back. There was rioting. 99 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: We've talked about it before on this show. The whole 100 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: thing UM a couple of years ago. When I was 101 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: at Dragon Con, it was like the big costume at 102 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: dra convers to dresses the Sechuan sauce. Yeah, so there 103 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: was that at the time. Mulan was yeah, quite different 104 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: than a lot of previous Disney stuff, especially when it 105 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: came to the main character. She wasn't waiting around for 106 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: the day to be saved. Her primary motivation was not romance. 107 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: She fights and she uses her brain to outsmart the enemy. 108 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: She was the first Asian main character in these Disney movies. 109 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: A lot of the animators described her as quote, not 110 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: a Barbie doll, making her more accessible. I still maintain 111 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: she is quite thin, but y yeah, perhaps not a 112 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: Barbie doll. I mean she's definitely animated. Then you see 113 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: them dressing her up. Yea. They away and they say 114 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: the line tiny waist, it looks painful. It definitely does 115 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: are painful. And This story is based on the song 116 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 1: of Fa Mulan, which tells the story of Hua Mulan. 117 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: It was combined with a straight to video short called 118 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: The China Doll, about a miserable Chinese woman who is 119 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: rescued from oppression by a British prince. According to one 120 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: of the story editors. The first draft of this story 121 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: was much more focused on Mulan's drive to find a guy. 122 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: Other versions had her running away from a forced marriage 123 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: or bad family situation. The story they decided on was 124 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: one motivated by love, but love of father and country. Basically, 125 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: the reason it didn't turn out that way of like 126 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: the romantic comedy or is just trying to find a guy, 127 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: it is because the higher ups at Disney weren't really 128 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: paying attention to this. They thought Hercules was coming out 129 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: the same time, Hunchback of Notre Dame was coming out 130 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: the same time, so they thought those were going to 131 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: be their hits. Those are the ones they were focusing on. 132 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: So Mulan was able to fly under the radar a 133 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: little bit. The team had a little bit more creative 134 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: freedom than Goodness, Thank goodness. So taking it to a 135 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: historical context, fall Mulan. The first transcript of Mulan was 136 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: dated around sixth century with the Ballad of Mulan, which 137 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: was a folk song originated during the north Way dynasty, 138 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: and we see it coming around again as a dramatized 139 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: to act play called the Female Milan or the heroine 140 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: Mulan goes to war in her father's place very aptly 141 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: name in Fife and then was incorporated in the seventeenth 142 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: century historical novel written by Chew Rain Hoh called Sweet 143 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: Tang Romance, and there was also an opera based on Mulan. 144 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: Whether this warrior was real seems debatable, as is a 145 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: lot of these stories that we talked about, hard to 146 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: kneel down historical context and historical sources, but a source 147 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: of great inspiration nonetheless, Hua Mulan Hua literally translated as 148 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: flower and Mulan translated as wood, orchid or magnolia would 149 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: have existed around four under twenty ninety during the north 150 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: Way dynasty. There is also a variation of the story 151 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: that places Mulan in the Tank dynasty around six. In 152 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: this version, there is another female warrior, Mulan's bonded sister 153 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: or Lao Tonon Young, the daughter of the king, that 154 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: was also part of the legend. The two bonded over 155 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: their knowledge of military and ability to fight, and she 156 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: has a fairly interesting legend behind her as well. You're 157 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: interested in reading more, yes, And as with the final 158 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: product of the ninety animation, most of the folklore centered 159 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: around the idea of loyalty and family, with a little 160 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: splash of possible love on the side, of course, because 161 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: you've got to have that. All the variations do incorporate 162 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: that Mulan felt she needed to protect her elderly father 163 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: by taking his place in battle. But it's something to 164 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: note that during that time it wasn't against the law 165 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: for women to serve, and sometimes would be drafted in 166 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: specific circumstances, So the whole put to death thing may 167 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: not have happened, or may not need to. But you know, 168 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: we need that drama, right, We need that drama. Also, 169 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: there seems to be a character missing from the animation, 170 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: but may have been replaced by the dog, which you said, 171 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: this doesn't make sense. When we were watching it, we 172 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: know him as quote unquote little brother when she know 173 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: he chases around the phone to feed the chickens. But 174 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: in some renditions there as a younger brother who was 175 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: too young to serve, and it is part of the 176 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: story of why she also went into war four both 177 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: of them, right, and in these stories. There are several 178 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 1: variations of the ending, but a couple include with her 179 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: revealing that she is female and walking to battle, and 180 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: female clothing which inspires the rest of the soldiers to 181 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: fight and win battles. Very inspiring. Also, some include her 182 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: being promoted to general and being a part of the 183 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: military for either ten or twelve years. It does end 184 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: up with her being honored by the emperor, very moving scenes. 185 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: A few of the versions of the story lead her 186 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: to asking simply for a horse and being able to 187 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: return home, or asking for money for her family. As 188 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: with most good folklore, several end with tragedy, whether she 189 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: kills herself due to being broken hearted because of her 190 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: father's death before her return home him. Also a version 191 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: in which she killed herself rather than being a concubine, 192 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: or because of being haunted by all the things she 193 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: had seen in battle. No matter the ending, she did 194 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: and does inspire. I mean, we're definitely getting another rendition 195 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: of the tale, and apparently big enough to get a 196 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: crater on Venus named after her, which is my that's 197 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: my dream. I mean, I told you what you need 198 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: to do. Just up as a man, go into battle, die, 199 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 1: end of story. Okay, cool, perfect, perfect. So that's sort 200 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: of the historical best way we could find historical. It's 201 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: obviously a big debate about what exists, what doesn't because 202 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: it came from a poem, right, yeah, And I would 203 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 1: love to hear from any listeners from China because from 204 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: what I read, at least at one time, it was 205 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: the thing that was just recited and well known and 206 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: it was a really important part of of kind of 207 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: a story you learned growing up, right, And according to 208 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: some of the context, there was a woman who was 209 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: a warrior during the Tame dynasty who they think may 210 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: have been a part of the legend as well, and 211 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: she technically existed from what I gather, it's hard to 212 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: say who mysteries of history, but we tried our best, 213 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: and well, I was gonna say so to Disney, but 214 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: I don't know that they did, but they definitely took 215 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: this story to a successful maybe. So we're gonna get 216 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: into that. But first we're going to get into a 217 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: quick break for a word from our sponsor, and we're back. 218 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsors. So let's yeah, let's get into a 219 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: slightly more detailed plot. Right about this animation. If you 220 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: haven't watched it, you haven't, I would recommend you do 221 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: so because it's fun. The movie follows Milan makes surprise 222 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: when you're first to introduced to her. She's trying to 223 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: memorize the traits of being a good woman quote quiet, demure, graceful, polite, delicate, refined, poised, 224 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: and punctual. Oh god, she's struggling. Oh lord, already. I 225 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,599 Speaker 1: love how as she's saying it, she's like staffing her face, yes, 226 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: and typing and not typing and writing on her wrist. 227 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: So she is, yeah, she writes on her arm, and 228 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: she's slobbily eating rise adjusta position to her words. She's late, 229 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: of course, and she has a creative system for doing 230 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: her chores. Thanks, little brother. Right, So you've already established 231 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: he's not your quote traditional lady. That she's creative and 232 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: a bit clumsy, she's brave and smart, all those things 233 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: that could be an emo song. Yeah, that's true. That's true. 234 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: It is a really good introduction to your character because 235 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: it immediately sets the tone for she's being told she 236 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: needs to be this, but she's clearly not that thing. 237 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: But she's trying to make it work. And when she 238 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: her father is praying to the ancestors to help move 239 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: on as she rushes into town to meet her mother 240 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: and grandfather, and that also sets up she immediately is 241 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: like I'm going to bring honor to us all, Dad like, 242 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: I will do it, and he's like, oh please, hell 243 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: and decides to play a lot longer. Yes. Yes, So 244 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: Mulan rushes into town to meet her mother and grandmother 245 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: to get ready to meet the matchmaker. So Mulan is 246 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: then washed, her face is painted with makeup, her hair 247 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: is pinned up, which she tries to make her own 248 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: by curling a little front piece. Um. And she's dressed 249 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: in a in a dress. Yeah, they tie the thing 250 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: around um. And as this is happening, we get this song, 251 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: our first song, bring Honor to us. All is playing, 252 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: espousing the qualities that make a woman desirable as a 253 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: wife and yes, a tiny waist this one, and that 254 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: bringing honor for a woman means getting married. That's quickly established. 255 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: Mulan's grandmother gives her a lucky cricket, and one of 256 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: my favorite random facts out this movie is that most 257 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: of the creators hated the cricket. They hated him because 258 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: they always had to ask, well, what is the cricket 259 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: doing during this scene, But one of the other creators 260 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: kept sliding images of the cricket creekie under under their 261 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: doors and so that's how we got him. Anyway, Mulan 262 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: meets the Matchmaker played by Miry Margoyles a k a. 263 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: Professor sprout from Harry Potter. Now the message is clear, 264 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: to fit in as a woman in the society, to succeed, 265 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: you have to look and act a certain way. For 266 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: the tea a certain way, and Mulan does not fit in. 267 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: The matchmaker says too skinney, not good for bearing boys. 268 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: So we also get that kind of established that, yes, 269 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: having children is also a part of this being a 270 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: good woman. The way the scene plays out makes it 271 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: obvious that Mulan shapes against the system, even if she 272 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: is doing her best to to fit into it. Her 273 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: cheat notes get smudged and have done the Matchmaker's face, 274 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: and through a series of events, the matchmakers ask catches 275 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: on fire, of course obviously, and Mulan put that fire 276 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: out with her pot of tea becomes one of the 277 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: best costumes I've seen. Yes, ever, have you ever seen 278 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: people cosplaying this? The matchmaker after the fact, it's fantastic. Oh, 279 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: I want to see that so badly. The Matchmaker is 280 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: happy about it, though, and she really assures in front 281 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: of everyone Mulan will never bring honor to her family. 282 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: She has failed both as a woman and a daughter. Yes, 283 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: her head hung glow, she walks out, yes, and yeah, 284 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: I mean we get kind of an emo moment. Yes, 285 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: then we get to our second song. Yes, a metal 286 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: maybe emo song. Yeah, for sure, about not recognizing yourself 287 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: in the mirror, not knowing who you are. Mulan's father 288 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: tips to comfort her, but they're interrupted by soldiers coming 289 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: into town. The leader reads that one man from every 290 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: family must join the army the fight against the Huns, 291 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: and when they call Mulan's family name, her elderly ill father, 292 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: the only male in the family steps forward to accept 293 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: that notice. Mulan rushes forward, asking that they give her 294 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: father reprieve, but the conscriptor chief Fu ties Mulan's father 295 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: for not teaching her to hold her tongue quote unquote, 296 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: and Mulan's dad says, she brings this honor to him. Awkward, 297 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: it's a really After fighting with her dad and another 298 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 1: emo music cue called scene six, I believe um, Mulan 299 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: cuts off her hair, dons her father's armor, rides off 300 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: on their horse to the soldier encampment. Her family cannot 301 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: reveal her or she'll be executed. Her grandmother calls on 302 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: the family's ancestors to protect Mulan, and this is when 303 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: we get introduced to Disgrace family ancestor Mushu played by 304 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy, a small dragon who doesn't have a great 305 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: track record when it comes to protection. It's the Disgrace. 306 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: The ancestors agreed to say and out their most fierce protector, 307 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: but Mushoe accidentally destroys his statue, so pretends to be him, 308 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: of course, and goes in his place along with Cricky 309 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: Lucky Cricket. When we cut back to Milan, she's trying 310 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: to master her man voice her man walk to a 311 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: little success. Mushoe appears promising to help her. He does 312 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: this whole like a big fire and brimstone thing, and 313 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: then it's revealed, Oh he's this little dragon. Um. Then 314 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: we see a series of gender stereotypes play out. I 315 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: guess those also with Muan trying to be a man 316 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,959 Speaker 1: fit in um with Mushoe. He's trying to like coat here, 317 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: but he's doing a terrible job, just off all and 318 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: he says things like punch it men like that or 319 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: slap them in the butt. They love that too. Yeah, 320 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: that's what I've been told. I you know, well, it's 321 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: a fight certainly broke out. So here we meet Shane, 322 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: who was eager to also get his father's approval. What 323 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: follows is a training montage set to I'll make him 324 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: in out of you, and hopefully we've got a clip 325 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: for you to watch as well of this, I'm gonna 326 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: make this happen, where we see Mulan struggle through training, 327 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: but she perseveres. Then, not only that, she figures out 328 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: how to retrieve the arrow shame shot into the top 329 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: of the wooden pole, something no one else was able 330 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: to do, by the way, and by doing this she 331 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: earns the respect of the other soldiers. Thank god. This 332 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: all with the lyrics playing out reinforcing the gender stereotypes 333 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: that Mulan is breaking. Quote did they send me daughters 334 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: when I asked for sons? Yes? Maybe they did. The 335 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: whole implication that quote being a man is the only 336 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: acceptable way of strength in warfare. We see her unique 337 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: set of skills play out again after they discovered that 338 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: the soldiers of steering his father was massacred along with 339 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: his father, and they are attacked by the huns in 340 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: a mountain path down to one firecracker. Mulan shoots it 341 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: to the top of the mountain, causing an avalanche that 342 00:19:54,880 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: swamps the Huns. Yeah. And then and then Mulan on 343 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: It's wounded in the process, and it's revealed that she 344 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: is oh woman, what treacherous snake. Instead of executing her, 345 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: Shane spares her, saying a life for a life. Yeah. 346 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: And then Mulan is left on the mountain with her horse, 347 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: Creaky and Mushoe. She laments that when she looks at 348 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: her reflection she still sees nothing by a girl. No, 349 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: but she does see the Hans rise out of the 350 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: snow and head to the city. She heads down to 351 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: warn them, but of course they refused to listen now 352 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: that she's a woman. Yeah, shame as she said, you 353 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: said you trusted ping. Why is Mulan any different? And 354 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: they're like, who? This is so fun. Samantha and I 355 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: of course did her thing where we watched this in preparation. 356 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: We had our date night and Samantha was making fun 357 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: of me because I was so interest even though I've 358 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: seen it a million times. I was like, you know, 359 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: my favorite will be like, oh my god, are you 360 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: really shocked by this. Have you not seen this? What's happening? 361 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: I just get invested. You surely do, and I love 362 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: watching just for that. I get really into it. Okay, 363 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: So the Huns appear and they kidnapped the Emperor. Mulan 364 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: was felling the truth. Turns out, Mulan comes up with 365 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: a plan that involves the men addressing as concubines, using 366 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: her earlier technique of climbing the wooden pole that she 367 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: she perfected at the soldier encampment, and then they attack 368 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: the hunt soldiers. Using her brain, her strength, and her 369 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: newfound skills, she's able to free the Emperor, save Shang, 370 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: and save China. Not bad. The Emperor gives her a job. 371 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: She foo'sh job after he says, sho An, she'll never 372 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: obey a way with anything. He's terrible. Uh. The Emperor 373 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: gives Mulan his crest and the sword of Sean, you 374 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: the leader of the Huns, for all that she's done, 375 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: which Mulan, after everyone bows to her in a very 376 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: moving scene, promptly gives to her father. He drops these items, 377 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: hugging her instead and saying the greatest honor is having 378 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: you for a daughter. Then Shang shows up, who did 379 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: a terrible job flirting earlier, telling her you fight good uh, 380 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,719 Speaker 1: and he also does a terrible job now. So Mulan 381 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: takes charge and invites him to dinner. Her honor is restored, 382 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: moves shoes, honor is restored, He's made in a family 383 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: ancestral guardian once again, and Shanks is restored. I guess 384 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: found Yeah anyway, um, Happily ever after, cut to ninety 385 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,479 Speaker 1: degrees plus the Wonder plus Stevie Wonder and for for 386 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: younger folks listening, ninety degrees was a band in the 387 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: vein of Backstreet boys and didn't sink and maybe handsome brand. Yeah, 388 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 1: no offense ninety eight degrees, but they were kind of like, 389 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: you know, your second tier you tried, Oh well you 390 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: got at the end of Mulan. So they did something 391 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: we haven't done. Give me a minute, I don't put 392 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: down your sparkling water, and here we go. Okay, So 393 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: that's that's the basic plot. But obviously we want to 394 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: we want to get into some of the tropes in 395 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: this movie that we can we can really talk about. 396 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: But first we're gonna get into one more quick break 397 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor and we're back, Thank 398 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: you sponsor. And yeah, there there are a lot of 399 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: things in this movie when it comes to gender stereotypes 400 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: that we can talk about, and one of them that 401 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: we we wanted to touch on was this whole idea 402 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: of the matchmaker. Right, so I was very curious after 403 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: watching the scene with the musical number bring honor to 404 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 1: us all and of course with all the implications that 405 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: a matchmaker would define whether honor could be brought to 406 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: the family with feminine ability to find her match a man. Yeah, 407 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: and after researching, there was quite a bit of information 408 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: on old traditions, including a tea ceremony, which would involve 409 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: the female serving tea to our possible mate and his 410 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: family and if it went well, the man would put 411 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: an broadered red bag on a saucer and then she 412 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: wanted she could accept it, much like a rose, I 413 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: would think. And but again this would be set up 414 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: by a matchmaker. And though the practice was common, it 415 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: was not necessarily due to forcing women to marry, but 416 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: as an assistant slash service for the family. And with 417 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: that it wasn't necessary to match a man to a woman, 418 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: but it was about finding family with family, so bringing 419 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 1: in a unit rather than just man woman. It was 420 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: a social arrangement. Also, at one point in history, matchmaker 421 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: slash match brokers were so important they are appointed by 422 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: the government and given certificates of authority. Yeah, and I 423 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: think this is always a good reminder that our current 424 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: understanding of marriage and the romantic senses actually relatively new, right, 425 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: and we have to say they're still matchmakers. Just because 426 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: it may be automated online doesn't mean they're not. That's true, 427 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: we see you dating apps. It should also be noted 428 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,719 Speaker 1: that though there were some extreme policies in in ancient 429 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: Chinese periods, it was rare and extreme meant that they 430 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: were women were not being married by seventeen. If the 431 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: girls were not married by choice, they would be forced to. However, 432 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: it seemed matchmakers weren't always necessary, but traditions could involve 433 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: festivals and get togethers for singles, some sort of bixer maybe. 434 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: For example, there was an annual mid spring meeting on 435 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: the third day of Lunar March which involved wine, so 436 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: definitely in and a lantern festivals which are still celebrated 437 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: as the Spring Lantern Festival, which happens the fifteenth day 438 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: of the first lunar month. Yes, and by the way, 439 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: it is also informally known as Chinese Fountains Day. I 440 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: like that idea, right, Yeah, So that's what we found 441 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: with the matchmaking, and I know there's a lot more 442 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: information and it goes into traditional marriage today. But we 443 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: also want to talk about girl worth fighting for, which 444 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: is one of the musical numbers. And definitely this implies 445 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: that women are prizes to be one that men go 446 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: to are with intent of winning. Someone that looks a 447 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: certain way, cooks a certain way. I definitely don't cook 448 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: a certain way. When Mulan says she's like a woman 449 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: with a brain who can also speak her mind, they're like, 450 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: uh nah, all the good, We're good. Were good? Right, 451 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: so there, Yeah, but pretty much subjectifying women, painting women 452 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: of I want this woman to be able to meet 453 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: these needs for me, and it's mostly looks and gender stereotypes, 454 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: like she has to look a certain way, cook a 455 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: certain way. Because the audience is meant to side with Mulan, however, 456 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: and view her actions as correct, we're meant to infer 457 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: that Mulan it was right and these men are wrong. 458 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: And we can also talk about fragile masculinity moves you, 459 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: taking credit for successes and causing and denying most of 460 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: her failures. And when he implies he can see through 461 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: her armor and she slaps him, he threatens her with dishonor, 462 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: which is one of my favorite lines. I will say, 463 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: it's funny to see him this coercing hard to apologize 464 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: to him, though he implies that by teaching her about 465 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: masculinity is the only thing keeping her alive. He's the 466 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: one who outcasts her. What I mean, honestly, he caused 467 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 1: the fights and it's constantly making message that she has 468 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: the effects every time. Y'all. Um, Yeah, he's really sexist, 469 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: slash stupid girly cappitts. He says, with her wanting to clean, 470 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: you got to be clean, Yeah, I mean to be fair. 471 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: That's probably one of the moments that he did predict 472 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: something bad, what's going to happen which all the men 473 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: and unfortunately she had to get all of the man parts. 474 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: But he was supposed to be watching out. She assigned 475 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: him with being a lookout and he failed. He did. 476 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: And another thing we can talk about when it comes 477 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: to gender stereotypes is the binary um because it is 478 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: very you are this masculine trait or you are this 479 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: feminine trait. And some have argued at Munlan only succeeds 480 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: because she pretends to be a man, But I think 481 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: she succeeds by embracing both her feminine and masculine side, 482 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,479 Speaker 1: by embracing all parts of herself. She uses the fan um, 483 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 1: a traditional signifier of femininity, and the sword, a traditional 484 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: sign of masculinity, to fight shown you all while wearing 485 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: a feminine but not super skimpy tight dress. So and 486 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: even in the scene where she figures out how to 487 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: get that arrow that everyone else has failed, that she 488 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,239 Speaker 1: does that by kind of embracing these dual parts of 489 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: her that honestly, we don't even have to necessarily label 490 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: masculine feminine. It's just traditionally they have been seen that way. 491 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: But that's just my view of it. I feel like 492 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: she she embraces both the things, and that's why she 493 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: she goes beyond the limits. Yes. Another another theme that 494 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: is pretty relevant throughout the this movie is fatherhood, family, 495 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: the idea of being a perfect daughter. Um. And and 496 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: I when I was watching this, I you know, I 497 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: came in with my like I'm going to dissect all 498 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: of these interactions. And one thing I noticed was the 499 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: interaction with the mother who is mostly silent um, kind 500 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: of always watching and like feeling firm lan but knowing 501 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: that she has to this is her way of success 502 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: and even if Mulan she knows it's not going to 503 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: be happy with it, like this is how it is. 504 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: That was just the vibe I got. And then Mulan 505 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: having this kind of like spine we call the spine 506 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: and acting or it's your whole thing, like your whole 507 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: motivation is I have got to bring honor to my father. 508 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: That is my whole thing. And even in her first song, 509 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: reflection Um, she's singing about like I'll never be the 510 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: perfect daughter, and that's something we've talked about a lot 511 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: on the show, the whole dutiful daughter idea and sort 512 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: of this dynamic between fathers and daughters. I mean, there 513 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: seems to be an absence of mothers when it comes 514 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: to Disney movies. If we get the true Yeah, if 515 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: we look at things like Lion King in itself and 516 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: you're like, what, Mama don't care, MoMA don't in the corner, 517 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: I guess okay, okay, but it does it kind of 518 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: plays up the fatherly man of the house. Yes, and 519 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: you and I have joked, even though I'm semi serious, 520 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: that we could do a whole like side show called 521 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: Daddy Issues where we would just pick out a movie 522 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: and talk about the daddy issues in it. So many 523 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: daddy issues, so many I just want to put in here. 524 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: I found an entire seventy two page paper. Did you 525 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: read it all? Oh? Yes, I did, Uh, comparing Mulan 526 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: to Mowanna, and there are so many similarities. They're practically 527 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: the same movie in a lot of ways. Oh really, 528 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: I haven't seen Mohanna, so I don't know. It's good. 529 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: People love it. That's very good. Yeah, it's definitely a 530 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: lot of sellaries. So Mulan's motivations are generally selfless, but 531 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: we do see the dynamic of trying to please men, 532 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: her father, Shane, patriarchal society, and at the end of 533 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: the movie, she would turns home to what we assume 534 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: to be the obedient daughter. Her grandmother even says, oh, great, 535 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: she brought home a sword. If you asked me, she 536 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: should have brought home a man. After all, she's done 537 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: literally saving the country. They still are more concerned about 538 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,959 Speaker 1: her ability to get a man. Yeah, the emperors, as 539 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: in the beginning, a single grain of rice can tip 540 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: the scale. One man may be the difference between victory 541 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: and defeat. So women are not even considered a part 542 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: of that equation. And then at the end he says, 543 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: you don't meet a girl like that every dynasty, implying 544 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: she's a rare specimen in some ways, kind of mothering 545 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: her that she is not like other women. Therefore she's 546 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: more likable. Right, she's better, she's superior. Um, And you're 547 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: not really going to go into this that much. But 548 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: she is also trying to please his father. So this 549 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: is I actually had never really appreciated that before until 550 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: we did this research, that they have sort of a 551 00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:00,479 Speaker 1: parallel storyline of of trying to to please their fathers honor, 552 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: bring honor. Yes, um, And I do think I remember 553 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: the first time I saw Frozen, and at the end 554 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: I was like, finally, finally, finally, finally somebody touched on. 555 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: There are other types of love then romantic love, but 556 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: I forgot Mulan did it first? Maybe not first, but 557 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: did it before Frozen? Um, it was just between a 558 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: father and a daughter, whereas Frozen was two sisters, so 559 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: a little different, but it is really really refreshing, and 560 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that helped this 561 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: movie work or feel like it was something different than 562 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: a lot of other Disney things we've seen before, and 563 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: to be real, a lot of other just media in 564 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: general you've seen before, um and something else we wanted 565 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: to touch on, or some of the queer undertones in 566 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: this movie. Some articles argue that in some ways Mulan 567 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: is a great examination of gender performance, that a certain 568 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: set of traits can be adopted and performed. For jen 569 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: Nerve when the men dressed as women, the song I'll 570 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: Make a Man out of You plays again, and you 571 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: can be one gender while adopting traits of another. Gender 572 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: roles can change what you already talked about before. And 573 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: at the same time, the movie shows that gender roles 574 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: are not an easy thing to break out of, which 575 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: is unfortunately, very obviously true. It's true. It's one of 576 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: those things where sometimes when I watch media like that 577 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: that depicts something that I know is true, there's just 578 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: something about it that gives me an anxiety, Like I 579 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: know it's true, right, but sometimes I just want to 580 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: see something different, different, right right? Um? I get I 581 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: get that way a lot with sexual assault, like I know, 582 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: but I don't know that we need to see this 583 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: because I feel like it's perpetuating it in some ways, right, Okay? 584 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: And this I want to talk about this question. Did 585 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: Shang love ping a k A. Mulan's masculine the identity 586 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: she adopted? Right? Okay? So I've always wondered this, and 587 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: I'm not the only one. Apparently Shang isn't going to 588 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: be in this new live action remake of Mulan, instead 589 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: replaced by a rifle character who wants to best her 590 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: as always trying to to beat Mulan. And some people 591 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: are angry that a bisexual character, someone they viewed as 592 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: a bisexual character, is being removed to make way for 593 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: what sounds like, at least at the outset, a misogynistic one. 594 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: Maybe he probably definitely changes, but sounds that way. Um. 595 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: There are a lot of articles that you can find 596 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: where people right that they consider Shang a bisexual icon. 597 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: And when I was watching it with those sort of 598 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: eyes this time, I had a bunch of moments like 599 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: oh yeah, coming that, and then Mulan appears on the 600 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: show Once Upon a Time, which is a TV series 601 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: with ABC. She's actually depicted bisexual. She falls in love 602 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 1: with Aurora, and when she comes to confess her love, 603 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: she finds that Aurora is pregnant with the child with 604 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: her Prince Charming, and then after that heartbroken moment, she 605 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: leaves to go be a merry man with Robin Hood. Yes, 606 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: but she was one of the first characters on that 607 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: show to be portrayed in that manner. Later on, I 608 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: want to say a little red riding Hood is depicted 609 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: as bisexual. Who pretty cool. Um, Yeah, it's definitely. As 610 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: I said, I've read a lot of fan fiction and 611 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: it has changed our view a lot of movies. But 612 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: seeing it with those eyes, I yeah, I understand now 613 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: that you say that. I feel like Once Upon a 614 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: Time the show that I really like it, and I 615 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: think you would like it. You really could be like 616 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: a layered fan fiction throughout. Yeah. Yeah, because it takes 617 00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: different takes on things. I'm like, uh okay, And we 618 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: did want to end on racism just because like it's 619 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: worth mentioning. Obviously, there's definitely some racism in this movie. 620 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: Some of the the slights worse than others, particularly Mushu, 621 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: who I would say is the greatest offender in most 622 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: categories sexism and racism. Um, as we touched on with 623 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: that McDonald's campaign. Uh yeah, and also we didn't really 624 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 1: talk about this, but um, because this movie wasn't as 625 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: formulaic a i e. Not a white princess in the 626 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: front of it, they didn't think it was going to 627 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: be successful, so they didn't put money into it, so 628 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: that McDonald's campaign was one of the only campaigns they did, 629 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: and it was pretty racist, racist, And I did appreciate 630 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: the fact that they did have a large cast of 631 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: Asian identifying actors, which I did actually appreciate because the 632 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 1: majority of the time you see everything being whitewashed and 633 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: having these main characters actually be Asian people when you 634 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: look at it, like what I mean, now, when is 635 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: it I loved her enjoy Luck Club and she's actually 636 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: representing an Asian Chinese character. This is phenomenal and I 637 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: love it. So it did do well in that respect. 638 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: I think at that point in time, surprising that they 639 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: went that far. Yeah, especially considering like even now, right 640 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: even now, that is a continued conversation and I also 641 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: appreciate that they didn't bring in a white savior. Oh 642 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,879 Speaker 1: my god, yes, which, like we said, that was part 643 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 1: of the original script. We really Yeah, it could have 644 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: been way worse. Also, I've seen me no win a 645 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 1: dragon cop before and she was great. It's amazing. Um. 646 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, and watching it, like the Huns, I get 647 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: that they're villains, but in some of the pictured it, 648 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: I it makes me uncomfortable. Yeah, so there's that that layer. 649 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: And then also like this is perhaps obvious, but there's 650 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: a lot of historical inaccuracies. Um, Like I believe the palace, 651 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,720 Speaker 1: the Forbidden Palace wouldn't have been built at that time. 652 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: And then I read somewhere I didn't really get to 653 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 1: follow up on it, but I read like fam mulan 654 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 1: one is Cantonese and one is Mandarin. Like just things 655 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 1: like that. Um, So, always be mindful of the entertainment 656 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,839 Speaker 1: you consume. It's totally cool to like something, but just 657 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: be aware of the messages you get in the context. Yeah, 658 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,479 Speaker 1: and especially for children when we whenever we talk about 659 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: something that children consume. I I don't have kids, so 660 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 1: I always feel weird saying this, but I do. I 661 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: think that it's important to just before you show your 662 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 1: kids something, watch it and then decide, like, what is 663 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: there a conversation I need to have? Is the context 664 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: I need to provide? What are they going to take 665 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: from this? Because I think it's totally cool to show them, 666 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 1: but it would be helpful, um, if you had that 667 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: kind of conversation before you went in. So that is 668 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: what we had to say about Mulan. And honestly, we 669 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: could have kept going there. I'm sure there's so much. 670 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, every time I would come back, it would 671 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: come up with a new article. I'm like, son of uh, 672 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: thank you for writing so many detailed papers about Mulan, 673 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: but I don't have time to read the mall. Unfortunately, 674 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: if we missed anything, please let us know if we 675 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: misinterpreted anything, if you read the wrong paper, yeah, let 676 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: us know, yeah, or if you just had any different takeaways. Um, 677 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: and also let us know what our next movie. I 678 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: know we've had many a conversation we have. We should 679 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: do a poll. You should do a poll. We've got 680 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: a couple of questions we could put them, post them 681 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 1: and see so look out for the poll, look out 682 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 1: for the pole, and you can email us any suggestions 683 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: at Stuff Media, mom Stuff at iHeart media dot com. 684 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast 685 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: or on Instagram at Stuff I've Never Told You. Thanks 686 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: as always to our super producer Andrew Howard, you did it, 687 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 1: and thanks to you for listening. Stuff Never Told You 688 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: the protection of I Heart Radio's How Stuff Works. 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