WEBVTT - Second Chances in Paradise 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.800 This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:04.640 with iHeartRadio. 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:08.920 Hey guys, welcome back to the Almost Famous podcast. It 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:12.600 is Ashley and today I am joined by Jared. 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:13.920 Hi. 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:16.279 Oh, are you so excited to be here? 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:18.200 No, I'm very excited to be here. But it's just 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:20.920 like my overall nature. I know, I'll talk about things 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:21.320 here we go. 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:23.400 Actually, let's start with that. Do you know how I 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:28.520 get comments on Instagram being like Jared doesn't look very well, 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.840 I'm I'm I'm happy, but I just have a I'm 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:36.240 very people hold on, sorry, people would say that about 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:38.000 my entire life, so you know what I mean. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.160 When I was on people would always say that's true. 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.879 Like even on Bachelor, you were always like having that 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.200 look off. Yeah, you were just looking stressed. 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:47.720 I'm just very Henry cavill and Man of Steel, Like, 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.640 you know, it's very neutral. 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:54.560 So guys, if you see Jared on Instagram and he 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:56.279 doesn't look like thrilled to be on my can't run, 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:58.120 don't worry. That's just his arresting Jared face. 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:00.280 Also, I feel like the majority of the pop relation 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.480 to the human races like this, it's probably you know, 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.840 It's like I get it. You're very you're authentic, and 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:08.920 you're like very smiley, happy, go lucky type of personality. 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:10.160 But I'm sure a lot of people just fake it 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:11.720 on podcast. At least I'm not faking it. 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:16.240 It's true. Okay, So, hi, Jared's here. We were thinking 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:19.560 that we would talk about some stuff that you know, 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.039 we have going on, and then we also are going 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.480 to talk Bachelor headlines and a little bit of Jared's 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:30.160 opinion on the new style of Bachelor and Paradise. He's 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:32.399 really thrilled by it, actually, baby, I wish you had seen. 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.840 So he doesn't follow follow listen. Jared only watches one 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:39.039 show and that is Seinfeld. So and you guys, you 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:43.120 don't even understand. He watches NERD movie Reviewers on YouTube, 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.399 many hours of that and Seinfeld and that is it. 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.320 I could never get him to watch five hours of 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.880 Paradise every week. So but he watches in the background 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.480 like as I'll have it on. And Jared's really good 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:58.600 at watching things in the background. He picks up on 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.520 stuff because you know, he is a movie analyst, so 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:05.280 like anything that has to do with the screen he 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.640 has an opinion on, even if it doesn't watch it 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:12.200 like too intently, So I guess, like, let's start there. 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:16.440 When you were watching in bed the other night with me, 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:22.000 like you were taken aback by the stylized at it. 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.720 I think my overall perspective on Paradise is that it's 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:30.200 not it's not it's not Paradise anymore. It's not the 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:34.400 same show, and that's done intentionally, and maybe that is 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:35.160 for the best. 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:37.840 I don't why would it be for the best. Most 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.400 of the audience does not like this, according to polls 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.959 that we've conducted that other fan accounts haven't conducted, and 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:45.239 Tanner Delbert. 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:50.359 I saw Tanner's pose because I also don't watch Love Island. 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:52.080 I also don't watch a lot of these new dating 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:56.280 shows that are crushing it. So perhaps Paradise and the 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:59.639 Bachelor franchise does need to really change things up to 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.079 try to move into this new wave and be more 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.680 like these other dating shows. I don't know. All I 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:06.640 can tell you is when I was watching Paradise with 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:11.120 you the other night, it's very clearly not the same show, 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:15.440 and it's done very intentionally that way. In terms of 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.480 the way the cast is talking to the camera now 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:22.680 straight on, it's much more it feels like they're trying 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:25.920 to make it much cooler now with everybody, you know. 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:30.959 Everybody's supposed to be so sexy, there's nothing clumsy about them. 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:34.160 With the music Jill Jill brings a lot of realness 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:34.520 to it. 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:40.360 I miss just in terms of the the visuals, the 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:45.840 slow motion, the camera work, the music. The show is 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.640 not I hate saying this, the show is not very funny. 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.000 No, actually, this is what I wish you saw. I 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.880 was episode three because this is when the Goldens came in, 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:55.520 and you and I were both not super keen on 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.680 the Goldens coming in. They brought the old school Bachelor 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.760 in Paradise humor and a big It was just so 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.920 much more of a lighthearted episode. I told Ben, I 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:07.840 was like, I don't know if like they slowed it 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:11.200 down intentionally the edit or it just felt slower with 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:15.800 the older people there, But it definitely Episode three felt 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:17.520 more familiar to me. 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:24.960 Yeah, I think listen, as cast members of Paradise, we're 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.560 all very lucky to be there, and as much like 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:31.120 insecurities as I have, as everybody else does have, Like 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.680 in terms of the general landscape of the world, we 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:37.800 should be made fun of, you know, we've had. We 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.000 had this opportunity to go on this beach and to 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:44.800 date other people, and like nobody gets to do this. 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:47.760 My point in saying that is like the show should 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.679 make fun of us, Like they should show Ashley talking 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.080 to a crab or whatever you were talking to. 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.919 Like, oh raccoon. Oh no, I had the parrot, Claire 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:56.520 had the recoon. 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.560 That's right, and then like or like making me look 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.560 stupid because I say something dumb or things of that nature, 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:04.640 because it's funny, because we should be made fun of, 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.320 because it's all in lightheartedness, because at the end of 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.279 the day, we're so lucky, and I think a lot 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.280 of the cast members know that, so I guess we'll 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.279 watching it. They just try to make everybody look so cool, 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:16.760 and I was like, I get it, They're already cool, 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:18.680 Like I don't need you to try to emphasize that 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:19.600 they're cooler than they. 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:23.640 Already aready like in the ninety nine percentile of attractiveness. 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:25.000 That's what I mean. Like I kind of missed the 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.000 days even when we were on the show and the 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.640 show was making fun of us, it was I liked 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:31.600 it because it's just kind of like brings everybody back 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.160 down to earth a little bit, and it's it's just 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.159 funny and self deprecating, and there was a style to 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:40.440 Old Paradise. Now, granted, perhaps there needs to be a change. 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.880 Maybe this show is not made for us, and that's 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.839 totally fine. It's really whatever's best for Paradise. And so 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.960 my opinion is just that it's my opinion. It doesn't 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.760 mean that it's the best or worst thing for the 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:54.679 future of the franchise. 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.920 Okay, So I want to just fill you in on 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:00.400 what happened that you didn't see, which is when I 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:05.560 started to be able to ignore the style and focus 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:11.520 on the content. Was when Susie and Justin. You know, 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:13.560 I've rooted on for Susy and Justin. They've had a 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.920 very similar storyline to you and me. They'd be started 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.760 out as friends, two wonderful people, and we both liked 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:23.360 them very much, and then they came to Paradise as 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:27.680 a broken up couple. There was a lot of feelings 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:29.480 there and there was like a lot of love still 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.600 there and it was fun to watch. Now what happened 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.320 was I just I don't know, do you know what happened? Okay, 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.360 So it's really making the internet buzz right now because 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.080 Lexi was like kind of like she'd gone on a 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:46.360 date with Justin. They definitely had shown interesting each other. 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.159 They barely made it. I don't even know that they 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.400 made out. Remember that scene that you saw where they 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.760 were making out, because there was that game that made 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.640 them make out. That was like their only kiss. So 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.720 that shows you how serious they actually were. Not very 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:04.080 in my opinion, not very. She had a lot of 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.000 reservations about him because she thought he was too fresh 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:10.960 out of a relationship to be there. So what happens 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:16.720 is he feels so bad about Susie not getting picked, 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:19.480 like Susie didn't get a rose that week, that he 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.280 ends up, of course having the last rose to give out, 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.760 and he gives the rose to Susie so she can 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:28.880 continue there and he lives and she you know, he 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.600 had the rose, and then Lexi had to go home, 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.640 except for he was like, I'm going to give this to, 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.600 you know, Susie, and then I'm going to excuse myself. 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:38.880 That's yeah exactly. 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:43.320 He leaves. Yeah, people are angry. Lots of people are angry 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.880 at him for doing this, thinking that he led Lexi on. 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:47.600 And I was like, I think it was clear that 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:49.160 Lexi didn't want to be with him. 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.800 Dude. I saw one scene with kissing booth and she 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:54.160 said you didn't want to kiss. 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:55.320 Her and she was like, this is so awkward, so 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:55.600 not me. 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.080 Yeah, very clear that Lexi was not into Justin yah, 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:01.280 which again totally fine. Don't give Justin. 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.000 She's given him so much crap online, like. 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:05.920 I could, I'm team Justin, I know. 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:07.920 I was like, maybe it's just because like I know 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:09.520 him more, I know him personally. 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.400 Also, it's what's wrong with that move? There's nothing I 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.840 don't think because maybe if Lexi was into. 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:17.800 Justin, then he would have probably given it to her. 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.840 Or why can't they just try to develop something off 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.600 the show? Did he maybe talk to her about that, saying, hey, listen, 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.560 I'm leaving as well. You know, I'd love to like 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.800 see if this could happen away from Paradise. 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:43.520 Do you think that that was so you in this 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:45.719 situation that we can bring this back to Arcie's in 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.840 a Paradise you were in not really a similar predicament. 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:51.760 I wouldn't call that you were in a predicament at all. 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:53.280 You were like, get the fuck out of here. Actually 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.120 this is like, that's how I felt because I come in, 0:08:56.600 --> 0:09:00.000 you don't give me that rose though, way yeah right, okay, 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.319 I know it's some sort of it's very similar. It's similar. 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:07.280 I'm leading somewhere. Okay, so when I come in and 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.880 Bachelor of Paradise three, I don't get a rose that 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:14.640 first rose ceremony, and because you chose to give your 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:16.240 rose to Kayla, it's okay, we don't have to talk 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:21.720 about that. What happens is it was kind of a 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:25.320 produced moment in which I was allowed to go down 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:29.240 there and be like, hey, I uh, I really like, 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:35.000 I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving. Basically it is exactly 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:40.080 an it, and I was like, can you guys please 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:44.440 like forgive me for being a hooligan. Well also like 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:46.480 they had no options for me. They had like literally 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.640 one single guy and that was what's the same from Canada, 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.640 Daniel Daniel. Yeah, And then everybody was like, yeah, sure, 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.440 that's fine. So basically Bette and I were being hypocrites 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:57.360 yesterday because we're always like, oh, we don't want to 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.920 see like produced moves, we don't want to see production 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:05.520 and you know, fingerprints. But then when justin and Susie 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:09.880 both get eliminated within and Susie's only on one episode. 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:14.400 Susie Evans, the winner of Clayton season only gets one 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:18.559 episode fan favorite. We were like, uh, we would like 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.360 some production here. Can she please stay? How can we 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:22.840 get her to stay? I thought she was saying, oh, 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.800 I'm sorry, I didn't clarify this too. She she said, 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:28.000 I can't accept. 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.160 This, so she leaves, and she left. Dude. That's when, yeah, 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.880 producers to be like, yo, you're going to accept it. Relax, 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.480 you're staying. Sus I'm thinking that they did it. She 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:41.160 seemed shocked when he offered her that rose. I think 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.760 she wasn't prepared and that was just herse She wasn't prepared. 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:49.360 But I bet no producer that now gonna think that 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:52.240 she Yeah, she would be, she'd say no, especially after 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:55.520 Justin said, hey, I'm going to leave. Why would she 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.400 leave too? Justin's gone. 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:01.400 Well, the thing is, Justin didn't at the podium say 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:04.040 that he was going to leave. It was when she 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.960 rejected the rose that he said I'm going to leave. 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.040 Because he had a milk down with Jesse in the room. 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.559 So you're saying that's his biggest flaw. 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.800 Well, this is it's kind of all stupid. Not the 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.360 people involved obviously understand that there's a lot of motions, 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:22.520 so they're going to make brass decisions. 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:26.720 The problem is Justin was like, I'm going to eliminate you, Lexi, 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:28.959 but I'm going to continue to stay here while giving 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:29.960 a rose to my exe. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:35.560 I understand with one with one rose, with one rose 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:40.559 not given out Lexi, Justin and Susie all we're allowed 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.880 to go home? Yes, okay, so that seems a bit 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.200 It's like, we don't want producers involved unless it's like 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.959 extenuating circumstances, and this feels like an extenuating circumstance. Not 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:51.840 all three of you guys can go home. We need, 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.079 you know, either Susie or Justin to stay one of. 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.120 You two one of the two of them for sure. Now, 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:00.560 how much do we want to see the two of 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:04.680 them interact more? Because their conversations in the episode were 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.640 the ones that we were so drawn into. Of course, 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:09.680 there's so much history they actually did, and Joe and 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.320 Kendall were there, and you and I loved watching Joe. 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.640 And Kendall there. Who didn't That's I mean, we watched 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:16.680 the show for very real moments like that, and it 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:18.920 doesn't get more real than that. Yeah, you know, the 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:22.400 idea that Justin Susie were back together in Paradise after 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.439 a lot of history together being best friends and then 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:28.120 dating and then breaking up and then, you know, because 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.920 as we both know, experiencing breakups, like when you break 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:32.600 up with somebody, you're not just breaking up with them, 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.720 but you're breaking up with everybody that you know, you 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.720 became friends with. It's it's an awkward situation. So the 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.200 idea of reuniting those two after so much history on 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:44.480 the beach is very compelling. But I understand why one 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:45.920 of them would have to go home. I think it 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:49.079 was the healthiest thing for both of them. One of 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.319 them goes home, and I think that one would have 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:56.240 been Justin. Yeah, so I'm shocked that Susie is gone. 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.040 Well, so, I mean, it's kind of funny. This podcast 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:02.520 isn't meant to recap for somebody who hasn't seen it. 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.000 But what's really interesting is I thought, oh, here comes 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:10.240 the production move because Jeremy went on a date with Susie, 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:13.120 but he ended up giving his rose to Bailey a 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:17.360 day later. Bailey says yes to a date with Andrew Spencer, 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:22.480 and you love Andrew Andrew and now when he when 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:27.440 she does this, Jeremy calls. He calls Susie in the 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.600 interview room and says, hey, I made a mistake. I 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.480 want you to come back. And I was like, oh, 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:35.240 this is the way in, this is the way to 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.840 get Susie back, in to which she said, I'm at 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:39.640 the airport. I don't I don't think it's good for 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:40.360 me to come back. 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:43.920 Well, I understand why Susie wouldn't come back. Yeah, why 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:45.160 can't Andrew be the bachelor? 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.960 He could be? Put it out there, yeah, and this 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:51.040 so wonderful. 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:53.640 It's like Dale is fine. 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.959 You know who would make you happy to watch every week? 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.000 Andrew with his jolly smile. It's adorable. 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.600 He's just so endearing, so sweet. Yeah, why can't Andrew 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:04.199 be the bachelor? 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.160 You keep putting it out there. I think Dale doesn't 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.880 seem like an option at all. All Dale has to me, 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.680 it's a really pretty face. And he still to me 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:18.160 comes across as like am I wrong? And say, I 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.640 don't think he's a villain, but I think he's regarded 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:25.880 as a bachelor villain. Yeah right, I mean I don't 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:28.320 think he's a villain this person. I just think that 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.520 he's not regarded as like somebody that like people would 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:32.400 necessarily like. 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.320 I think he's just very straight laced, which is not 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:35.400 a batchel lace. 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:37.000 No, I think I think about him. 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:38.680 I've been watching I'm just seeing like. 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.120 No, Jared, I'm just thinking about his history with Claire, 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:42.280 Like I just feel like. 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:44.600 Yeah, and he's like what is he he's a model 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:45.600 now model. 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:46.360 I don't know what he does. 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:50.480 I see him sometimes I'll like be perusing Amazon for 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:54.920 like sports, and I'm like, is that Dale modeling this 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:56.000 shirt on Amazon? 0:14:56.080 --> 0:15:00.960 Right now? It's not me having a It's just like 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:04.760 I felt that Claire was played, I guess, And I'm 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.160 always going to be a defender of Claire. Yeah, because 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.480 he proposed her, right, Jared, they were together and they 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:10.200 were talking bait. 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.360 No, I remember that. But they didn't leave boyfriend girlfriend, 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:15.600 they left engage. H Yeah, there's no shot Dale knew. 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.800 There's no shot that Dale proposed that moment thinking like, oh, 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:22.920 this is my wife. Okay, so that doesn't Claire is 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:24.760 the best, you know what I mean? So I agree. 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.400 I'm team Claire on that one, because it's like, bro, 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:29.960 you knew, like there's no shot, no shot. Sorry, I 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:30.480 don't believe you. 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.640 So that's why I feel like Dale couldn't be Bachelor 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:40.320 because there's just too much suspicion about there, you know, 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:41.840 just too much suspicion around him. 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.520 For me, well, it's for honestly, it's also whoever's gonna 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.480 make the best TV? I mean, at the end of 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:48.680 the day, of course, you want this to work. We 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.680 all want this to work. But like you know, the 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.040 most important thing is an entertaining product for the show, 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.480 for your guy, for you guys, for everybody. 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:01.160 So are we saying in this conversation that sometimes we 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.840 feel like production does need to make moves to make 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:04.400 great TV? 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.440 Of course, I mean, who's naive enough to think that, 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:14.600 like there'd be very little drama because it's one thing. 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:20.360 Here's the thing, and it's it's natural. It's very natural 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:23.440 for human beings when faced with conflict, to try to 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.080 avoid it, just avoid it. Yeah, exactly, like we would 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.960 walk away from scenarios if we face with that right now. 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.800 But it's like, so if what we want to see 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:34.920 just people walk away from each other and then like 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.320 cooler heads prevail later on. I mean that doesn't sound 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.720 very entertaining or do you want them? It's not like 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:44.040 producers like tell people to say, but it's like, if 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:48.880 you're forced to face that conflict, that is compelling stuff. Yeah, 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.760 and if you're not forced to face it, then I mean, 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:52.560 what do we watching. 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.680 The way that I always describe Bachelor, especially Bachelor in Paradise, 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.200 is that it's very much hunger games. Ask like you 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:01.400 are you have your free will in the arena, but 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.040 like there are people on the outside of the arena like. 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.880 Yeah, they're sending jaguars exactly, sending. 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.760 Things in Yeah, okay, well you know what, You're gonna 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:11.240 be so jealous of that. I just want to like 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:17.679 touch on you. They had this big ad integration for 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:19.080 I know what you did last summer? 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.080 I saw that do it and jessin Palmer do something together. 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.160 Oh no, this is like was like integrated into Paradise. 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:25.960 Oh that's cool. 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.760 Yeah, I know, like in the mirror. And then like 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:30.239 he went up to Welles and he was like, what 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.560 did I do last summer? And then like he was 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:33.600 like we weren't here. 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.199 Did somebody say, what are you waiting? 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.680 For No, I have to watch the original again before. 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:41.040 I haven't. I've only seen it once and it was 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:47.320 your nineties Ryan Philippi face yeah, great face, great face, 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.800 great face, great face, and great face. 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:51.720 Philipp is the man I know he did last summer 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.720 cruel intentions. I wanted to name one of our sons Sebastian, 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:55.080 I know. 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:56.600 And I hate the name of Sebastian. 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:57.680 Love the name Sebastian. 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:00.920 You only love it the because of his role. 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:05.159 Why do you love Dawson? No, I love the. 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:06.280 Sound of Dawson. 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:07.639 I love the sound of Sebastian. 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:09.680 Yeah you do. I know only the sound of Sebastian. 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:11.320 I think of the crab. That's like, you wouldn't let 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.080 me name it. Well you didn't. You thought Dominic the donkey, 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:17.080 and I think a Sebash and the crab. Okay, So 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:21.639 did you hear about the money being involved. Yeah, we 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.560 don't really know the money thing yet. There was teas 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.360 at the end of episode one, but it hasn't been 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:31.800 directly brought up again yet. So my thoughts is that 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:35.400 it won't be brought up again until the end when 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.160 it's time, you know, how like the week where it's 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.919 like you either break up or you get engaged. I 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.800 think now it's going to be you either break up, 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:46.959 get engaged, or get half a million dollars. And we 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.520 were joking and this is maybe like forget half million 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:53.399 dollars if you break up. Yeah, I think that you 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:57.840 have to. Yeah, I think you money. That's just with 0:18:57.880 --> 0:18:59.720 the speculation, Jared. It's the speculation. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.800 Use money every day and then you leave and then 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:06.200 you get to the person like, hey, let's go out 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:08.879 to a really nice dinner, dude. 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.680 That's what I said. That's why this isn't even gonna 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:13.840 make any sense. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. So 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:15.640 maybe it won't turn out to be that way. 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:19.680 Yeah, I mean, I just I don't like. My gut 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:21.800 reaction is I don't like the introduction of any type 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:23.720 of financial prize in this show. 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:27.480 It could be a big tease. There's so many false cheeses. 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:31.040 There was like in my season of Bachelor, there was 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.000 a pregnancy test that was in the cheezer that never 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:34.600 got address. 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.879 Yeah, but that's different than alluding to some sort of 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.600 cash prize at the end of this. Yeah, it would 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:44.480 be weird if they introduce that and never do anything 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:50.080 with it. I'd be it would be weird. So I'm 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.399