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Speaker 1: What happened inside that home? And how does cannibalism or

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Speaker 1: Mitigation dot com. Tim Kaine a renowned trial lawyer joining

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Speaker 1: served five years behind bars, and in twenty seventeen he

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Speaker 1: had not been out of prison very long and his

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Speaker 1: aunt and uncle were nice enough to allow him to

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Speaker 1: stay with them. He violated his probation when he Wait

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Speaker 1: a minute, Wait a minute, hold on, right, there is

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Speaker 1: that I assume you're referring to the Pies. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: his murror victims of his answer. So he had been

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Speaker 1: in the home before before this incident. Yes, he was

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Speaker 1: staying there on probation, and he violated the probation by

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Speaker 1: using drugs. And he was found in jail with PCP

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Speaker 1: in his underwear, and he got out January eighteen after

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Speaker 1: the Oklahoma Pardon and Parole Board recommended commutation three one.

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Speaker 1: So it was a long history with drug use and

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Speaker 1: drug dealing. Yes, he certainly does. And I'm extremely interested

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Speaker 1: in the fact that he was living with the Pies

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Speaker 1: and had the opportunity to observe and become obsessed with

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00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: the victim whose heart he took out, cut out and

442
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: ate Angia Lynn Blanketship. For those of you just joining us,

443
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Speaker 1: modern day cannibalism, we discover yet another case of it,

444
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Speaker 1: but it's by far the first time. We were just

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Speaker 1: talking about a very recent cannibal I know you recall

446
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Speaker 1: the frat boy who stabbed a couple dead then literally

447
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: ate their faces. He allegedly was high on a so

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00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: called Chinese zombie drug that was in recent history. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at w LK y Over.

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00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: Hansley admitted to officers that he stabbed girlfriend Tammy Joe

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Speaker 1: Blanton to death then mutilated her. After being a prosecutor

452
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: for so long, you think you've seen everything, and this

453
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Speaker 1: is one of those cases where I've never seen this.

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Speaker 1: Police responded to a welfare check at Blanton's local street

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Speaker 1: home Thursday and found her dead in the bathtub covered

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Speaker 1: by a tarp. Detective say o'bra. Ansley had a knife

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Speaker 1: with blood on it in his back pocket and confessed

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Speaker 1: to cutting out parts of Blanton's brain, heart, and lung.

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Speaker 1: There was evidence in the kitchen he cooked the organs

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Speaker 1: and eat them. The similarity in this case that the

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Speaker 1: victim's heart was cut out and he actually cooked it

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Speaker 1: with potatoes. To doctor Banerjee, medical examiner assistant there in

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Speaker 1: Rhode Island, certified forensic pathologist. To doctor Banerjee, I've often

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Speaker 1: referred to the program Dexter. I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: ever saw that or not. Dexter is a serial killer.

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Speaker 1: He worked in a crime lab and he ended up

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Speaker 1: being the hero in this series because he only killed

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Speaker 1: bad guys that slipped through the cracks of justice. But

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Speaker 1: when he did it, it seems so sterile and easy,

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Speaker 1: and it was all said and done in a one

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Speaker 1: hour program. To dismember, to perform an autopsy, much less

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Speaker 1: dismember a body is very difficult to do, is that right,

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Speaker 1: doctor Bannergy Yes, I mean the violence employed in this case.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's the stab wound, which are incredibly physical,

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Speaker 1: they were numerous. And then after that, to have the

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Speaker 1: energy and ability to then dismember a body, it's it's

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Speaker 1: a whole another process. It's you know, very difficult to

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Speaker 1: cut through human bones. We use heavy mechanical saws to

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Speaker 1: do it. And then to then cut out the heart,

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Speaker 1: I mean that is to be gruesome. I do that

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Speaker 1: in an autopsy, but in a very controlled setting, which

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Speaker 1: is not this case. Just the brute force it would

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Speaker 1: take to, let's say, dismember a body, it is nothing

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Speaker 1: like what you would see on TV or in a movie.

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Speaker 1: To remove someone's heart in a non clinical setting would be,

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Speaker 1: I think, very difficult to do, doctor Bannerjee. I agree.

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Speaker 1: I mean you don't have the setting the equipment. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're cutting through heavy bones to access the internal organs.

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Speaker 1: If you think about it, our whole chest is there

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Speaker 1: to protect the heart, right, the heart and lungs. That's

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Speaker 1: what keeps us alive. It's there to be a shield

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Speaker 1: of protection and hard to get through. To Jeff Cortes,

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Speaker 1: e former FBI special agent. You can find him a

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Speaker 1: Jeff Cortes dot com. Jeff, give me your profile on

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Speaker 1: this guy. I mean, nobody, Yes, he had a criminal history,

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Speaker 1: but nobody saw this coming. Well, you know, maybe they

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Speaker 1: didn't see this specifically coming, but there was certainly sufficient

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Speaker 1: information history to say that something bad was going to happen. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's got a rich history of violent drug

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Speaker 1: abuse and you you pecker in the hallucinogen in the PCP,

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Speaker 1: and you know, candidly, the sky is the limit as

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Speaker 1: to what potential could come from that U. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's already has a very violent history. Coupled with a

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Speaker 1: potentially long term use of hallucin ugen and drugs creates

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Speaker 1: you know, nothing short of a potentially catastrophic situation. I

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Speaker 1: think this is the manifestation of that a killing machine, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: a killing machine, but of course, Jeff Cortesi, you and

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Speaker 1: I both know voluntary use of drugs or alcohol, whether

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Speaker 1: it's PCP, meth and phetamine Angel desk, that is not

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Speaker 1: a defense under the law. So Tim Kaine family lawyer,

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Speaker 1: I can see him team up for an insanity defense

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Speaker 1: R now, but what is this going to boil down

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Speaker 1: to its voluntary years? Who? Drugs are? Alcohol hauled at guys?

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Speaker 1: Not the first, not the last time this has happened

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Speaker 1: on US soil. Take a listen to our friends at KLFY.

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Speaker 1: Con Federal Grande Jury in Lafayette has indicted a nineteen

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Speaker 1: year old who allegedly tortured a gay teenager on six counts.

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Speaker 1: Chase A. Seneca is also facing charges of kidnapping and

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Speaker 1: obstruction after his alleged attempted murder of a gay man

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Speaker 1: and his scheme to kidnap and murder gay men whom

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Speaker 1: he met online. An indictment all Seneca attempted to murder

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Speaker 1: one of these men because of his gender and a

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Speaker 1: sexual orientation, and then he intended to dismember and keep

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Speaker 1: parts of the victim's body as trophies, mementos, and even food.

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Speaker 1: Keeping the body parts as food and of course, here

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Speaker 1: in the US, one of the first known cannibal killers

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Speaker 1: is the gray Man. Listen. In November nineteen thirty four,

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Speaker 1: these still grieving parents of Grace Budd received an excrew.

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Speaker 1: Sheatingly grewsome letter, which police later confirmed was from Albert Fish.

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Speaker 1: It read impass. I grabbed her and she said she

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Speaker 1: would tell her mama. First, I scribbed it. How she did,

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Speaker 1: kick by it and scratch. I choked her to death,

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Speaker 1: then cut her in small pieces so I could take

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Speaker 1: my meat to my rooms, cook and eat it. How

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Speaker 1: sweet and tender her little ass was roasted in the oven.

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Speaker 1: It took me nine days to eat her entire body.

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Speaker 1: The fact that that was dramatically read and there was

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Speaker 1: music about being played in the background just exemplifies the

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Speaker 1: way that cannibal killers are viewed. Helly Blanketship, This is

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Speaker 1: angel In Blanketship's daughter. You know, I remember when A

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Speaker 1: Silence of the Lambs came out and it was a

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Speaker 1: huge hit, but in ways it glamorized cannibal killers. They're

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Speaker 1: anything but glamorous, Helly. A lot of people have made

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Speaker 1: light of the situation and comments on the news articles

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00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, But I just realized that they

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00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: don't take it personally because it hasn't happened to them

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Speaker 1: personally and it probably never will. But for me, it

548
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: is very personal and very real, and it feels like

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Speaker 1: a living nightmare to doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensic pathologist, Doctor Sherry,

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you look at these cannibal killers walking

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Speaker 1: amongst us, they seem so normal. The guy I just

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Speaker 1: told you about, the fret boy hair off, his dad

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Speaker 1: was a dentist, he was in a college fraternity. He

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00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: seemed like every other typical college student walking around campus,

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00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: but he turned cannibal killer. I don't see that there's

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Speaker 1: really a way to identify these people because you don't

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00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: know what they are until it's too late. You're absolutely right, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: It's nearly impossible to identify in advance this level of brutality.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't happen very often, as Hayley pointed out, as

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Speaker 1: you have pointed out, but when it does, it's it's

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Speaker 1: so shocking that it gets a lot of attention. But

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00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: you're right, there's really no way to look at somebody

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Speaker 1: walking down the street and know that they have the

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Speaker 1: potential to be somebody who's going to perpetrate homicide and

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Speaker 1: especially a cannibal killing. But there are usually indicators in

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Speaker 1: someone's behavior that there's a potential for violence. Not always,

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Speaker 1: but in this particular case, there were indicators in mister

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Speaker 1: Anderson's history that showed that he had a potential for violence.

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Speaker 1: If somebody is using hallucinogenic drugs, even if they are

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Speaker 1: not normally, they could be the most mild mannered person

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Speaker 1: on the planet. But if they are using hallucinogenic drugs,

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00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: this raises the risk their risk for were violence, to

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Speaker 1: perpetrate violence against themselves against other people. And that's just

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Speaker 1: the point here that Tim Kaine was making doctor Sherry

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Speaker 1: Schwartz that this guy had a huge rap sheet, yet

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00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: he kept getting out. Now, of course, the name most

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Speaker 1: common on the tip of most people's tongues is Jeffrey Dahmer.

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Speaker 1: Listen to our Friends and Inside Edition, Jeffrey Dahmer, an

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Speaker 1: unassuming chocolate factory worker, would eventually confess that he had seduced, murdered,

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Speaker 1: and dismembered seventeen young men. He even ate some of

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Speaker 1: his victim's body parts. To Hilly Blankenship as the district attorney,

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Speaker 1: spoken to your family about the death penalty. Honestly, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure, but I know that my family don't support

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Speaker 1: the des penalty, especially for this man. Not just your mom,

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Speaker 1: but this four year old little girl. Dad, the aunt,

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Speaker 1: the uncle. We wait as justice unfolds for an American

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Speaker 1: cannibal killer, Lawrence Anderson Nancy Grace Crimes Story, signing off,

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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,