Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed. It's spooky.
Speaker 1: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I'm go said Hi, ras Dress.
Speaker 1: Hey boo, it's me Roz. I'm so happy to hear
Speaker 1: of all the people that enjoyed my conversation last week
Speaker 1: with Jink's mom. Soon and today we are going to
Speaker 1: be finishing out that conversation. And there are more topics
Speaker 1: to cover, and there are EVPs and a fun little
Speaker 1: U game. But you know, just like with EVPs, not
Speaker 1: really a game, but what I'm gonna call a game
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna be doing for the first time today,
Speaker 1: And if you have a fun title for it, maybe
Speaker 1: I'll use that title and give you credit. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I want to do another long little intro here
Speaker 1: and talk about some different things that have been going
Speaker 1: on in the news, and let's just get right into
Speaker 1: it here. I go, being the j Leno of the
Speaker 1: paranormal once again. Hey you hear you hear about this
Speaker 1: thing that happened. I'm not good at impressions. Hear about
Speaker 1: this thing that whizzed by the earth that they think
Speaker 1: is an alien. This was posted on CBS News the
Speaker 1: other day. So there is a Harvard University professor named
Speaker 1: Abby Loeb, and he's got a new book called Extraterrestrial,
Speaker 1: and he's talking about how this thing. In twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: you might remember, there was an object in space that
Speaker 1: people thought or believe is.
Speaker 3: Alien.
Speaker 1: It was a cigar shaped object, and it was ten
Speaker 1: times as long as it was wide, okay, and was
Speaker 1: traveling at speeds of one hundred and ninety six thousand
Speaker 1: miles per hour. Is what researchers at the time said.
Speaker 1: It didn't look like a comet, but it behaves some
Speaker 1: like something that has an extra push, said Lobe. Now
Speaker 1: NASA confirmed that's the first object there's ever been seen
Speaker 1: in our Solar system that is known to have originated elsewhere,
Speaker 1: but the origins are still unknown. It also says that
Speaker 1: he argues in his book that the object was probably
Speaker 1: debris from advanced alien technologies, so it's space junk that
Speaker 1: is from many light years away. He says that it's
Speaker 1: time for researchers to start looking at potential messages and
Speaker 1: a bottle from other civilizations. We should be open minded
Speaker 1: in search for evidence, rather than assume that everything we
Speaker 1: see in the sky must be rocks, he said. But then, oh,
Speaker 1: I really like this, he said, to consider the odds.
Speaker 1: If you're somebody that doubts the existence of aliens, he
Speaker 1: says that we know that half of the sun like
Speaker 1: stars have a planet the size of the Earth roughly
Speaker 1: the same distance from the star, so they can have
Speaker 1: liquid water on the surface. That is just the chemistry
Speaker 1: of life. That means that if you roll the dice
Speaker 1: billions of times in the Milky Way galaxy. I miss
Speaker 1: Milky Ways. I'm trying to eat better, we're probably not alone.
Speaker 1: And moreover, we're probably not the sharpest cookie in the jar.
Speaker 1: Oh I miss cookies too, the smartest kid on the block.
Speaker 1: That is always what I think. I mean, I really
Speaker 1: think that when you see a UFO, it is probably
Speaker 1: like teenager aliens. Their parents are out of town. They
Speaker 1: took their parents' UFO. They're like, let's go cruise around
Speaker 1: and laugh at the people on Earth. Ha ha ha.
Speaker 1: You guys will never be us, and then they drive away.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I think. I think that we
Speaker 1: are so much not even near as advanced as they are,
Speaker 1: and that's why they can come look at us, but
Speaker 1: we can't look at them. That's just my thought. But
Speaker 1: I'm still developing thoughts about UFOs. I'm still kind of
Speaker 1: new to UFOs. But I like that we talk about that.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about ghosts because there was a story
Speaker 1: that I found really fun. It was posted by King
Speaker 1: five dot com, which is local news in Washington, and
Speaker 1: this is in God, this is a hard word for
Speaker 1: me to say. Pali up Washington pool poolap poolay up,
Speaker 1: p u la lup Washington. Okay, Washington. People are like
Speaker 1: cringing at me right now. I'm so sorry. But that's
Speaker 1: where this place is. It's the Daffodil Bowling Alley. It's
Speaker 1: just called Daffodil Bowl. It's been around since the fifties. Okay. Now,
Speaker 1: the owner has been owning it for three years now,
Speaker 1: and he recently learned that it's haunted. He says, the
Speaker 1: previous owners of twenty two years, Yeah, never thought to
Speaker 1: mention it to him. But they've got a ghost. So
Speaker 1: this article, which also has a news story in it,
Speaker 1: they interview some people that work there and turns out
Speaker 1: there's a ghost now bowling Alleys. That's about as far
Speaker 1: into cis heteroculture as I'm willing to go. I like
Speaker 1: bowling alleys. I mean, I think I'm at a point
Speaker 1: in the pandemic where I'm like missing things that I
Speaker 1: never thought I would. At this point, I would stick
Speaker 1: my fingers in a dirty bowling bowl ball hole, in
Speaker 1: a dirty, dirty bowling ball hole and throw it down
Speaker 1: a lane. I would do that at this point. I
Speaker 1: like mini golf. That's more my thing. It's kind of
Speaker 1: the same same in my mind, same kind of grouping
Speaker 1: of sports. Like, it's not too it's not too hard
Speaker 1: for me. I could get into some bowling alley, put
Speaker 1: my feet in some of the someone else's shoes, and
Speaker 1: throw a bowling ball down and down the lane. I
Speaker 1: guess it's called. Yeah, I can get into that. So
Speaker 1: maybe I'll go up to Washington and check out this place. Now.
Speaker 1: It's so here's what they had to say about it.
Speaker 1: They're another one of these people, you know, businesses or
Speaker 1: homeowners that are spending more time at home. Or maybe
Speaker 1: it's because there's just not as many people around. It's
Speaker 1: more quiet that they're realizing. Oh it actually, yeah, it
Speaker 1: seems like it's haunted. They said that they confirm the
Speaker 1: rumors it's haunted. Who's the daughter of the owner. She
Speaker 1: said that as often as every fifteen minutes they hear
Speaker 1: distinct sounds of a bowling ball being thrown down the lane.
Speaker 1: They said that every single employee has a story or two,
Speaker 1: and that there's occasional sightings like bowling ball shoes flying
Speaker 1: off of the shelves and cooking utensils dropping from the
Speaker 1: walls in the kitchen. An employee name Corey says that
Speaker 1: a ghost comes up behind him and says his name Cary,
Speaker 1: but they're kind of still disputing who is the ghost.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that think that it's a
Speaker 1: former loyal customer who died of a heart attack on
Speaker 1: lane number one, which is apparently where they usually hear
Speaker 1: the ball rolling on lane number one. But then there's
Speaker 1: also a mechanic named Larry who said that he's seen
Speaker 1: a figure hunched over the machines and it's a dark
Speaker 1: figure walking to the back of the lanes when he's
Speaker 1: the only one there at night and the doors are locked,
Speaker 1: and he believes that it's actually a former mechanic that
Speaker 1: had the same job as him that passed, So it
Speaker 1: could Here's what I say, why can't it be both.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a fun place. I'd like to hang
Speaker 1: out there. And then they also said it hasn't been
Speaker 1: closed for more than a day in decades, so it's
Speaker 1: possible that the ghost has always been there, but it's
Speaker 1: never been common enough to notice exactly. I am due
Speaker 1: for a trip to Washington and I love Seattle, and
Speaker 1: maybe I'll travel on over there and check out the ghosts.
Speaker 1: It's like a fun story, you know, It's like lighthearted, cute,
Speaker 1: and I hope that they do well once the pandemic
Speaker 1: is over. Now, one more story that pops up in
Speaker 1: the news is that the famous Lizzie Borden House is
Speaker 1: up for sale. If you're looking for real estate in Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: only one of the most famous axe murders in history
Speaker 1: has occurred there. Two million dollars that seems like a
Speaker 1: lot of money. Three story home in Fall River clapboard
Speaker 1: House was converted into a museum and bed and breakfast.
Speaker 1: The potential buyer would own the home, the bed and
Speaker 1: Breakfast website, intellectual property and merchandise sold at the museum.
Speaker 1: That was posted by the Virginian Pilot and also posted
Speaker 1: by Stephanie in the official Facebook group ghosted by Roz Dresfales.
Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing that, Stephanie. That's one of those places
Speaker 1: that has been in so many paranormal TV shows. It
Speaker 1: seems to be very haunted these days. I also recently
Speaker 1: listened to an EVP with my friend mister Malone. On
Speaker 1: that Patreon episode that I posted on New Year's Eve,
Speaker 1: there was an EVP from that house and Amy Bruney
Speaker 1: of the TV show Kindred Spirits, they've been to that
Speaker 1: house and she's my guest next week. Okay, let's read
Speaker 1: a ghost story from a listener. Could it be you? Well,
Speaker 1: it could be if your name is Justin. Justin, thanks
Speaker 1: for sending me this. The subject line is a portal
Speaker 1: and demons and the warrens oh my, Justin writes. I'm
Speaker 1: from a small town on the Connecticut shoreline. When I
Speaker 1: was five years old, we moved to a uniquely constructed
Speaker 1: house that was called an underground home. Very boxy concrete construction.
Speaker 1: The builders cut a lot of corners and left my
Speaker 1: parents with a money pit, although it had sliding glass
Speaker 1: doors all across the front face of the house, very chic.
Speaker 1: Our house was the first on the cul de Sac,
Speaker 1: and later we learned that the whole hillside was dynamited
Speaker 1: a way to create the street, blasting away whatever was
Speaker 1: there before. My mother recalled while gardening that she would
Speaker 1: find arrowheads and broken bits of things while digging around.
Speaker 1: My first experience was the night we moved in. I
Speaker 1: had my bed set up under an air vent in
Speaker 1: the ceiling. I felt the sense of being watched. As
Speaker 1: I was trying to sleep. I heard a sound of
Speaker 1: small things dropping onto the sheets, only to realize to
Speaker 1: my horror that bugs were falling off of my bed
Speaker 1: from the air vent. As a five year old gay boy,
Speaker 1: I of course ran screaming, waking everyone up. My parents
Speaker 1: came into the room with me to find my bed
Speaker 1: totally clean, no bugs, nothing except me losing my shit.
Speaker 1: I didn't sleep in my room for a couple of nights,
Speaker 1: but eventually was able to sleep there without incident. Now,
Speaker 1: those could be really just fast bugs, but I have
Speaker 1: a feeling it's something more than that. After moving in,
Speaker 1: my mom gave birth to my little sister, and eleven
Speaker 1: months later, my little brother. They each had their own
Speaker 1: experiences of stuffed animals talking to them, saying quote scary things,
Speaker 1: pictures on the wall would appear to have their faces
Speaker 1: distorted during illness. Once my mother came into my bedroom
Speaker 1: to find me hanging over the side of my bunk bed,
Speaker 1: vomiting and unconscious. She, being a nurse, dragged me to
Speaker 1: the bathroom, finally able to wake me up, and hosed
Speaker 1: me down in the shower. I had no memory of
Speaker 1: what happened, only remembering hanging over the sink with my
Speaker 1: mother screaming at me to wake up. My mother's own
Speaker 1: experiences including waking up with an intense pressure on her
Speaker 1: chest and difficulty breathing, like someone sitting on her. Another time,
Speaker 1: she saw a man in colonial garb walking along the
Speaker 1: front glass doors, looking perplexed and confused. When she went
Speaker 1: outside to ask him why he was in our yard,
Speaker 1: no one was there. My mother's mother, a Boston Irish Catholic,
Speaker 1: moved in with us when I was nine after the
Speaker 1: death of her husband, my grandfather. She was a loving
Speaker 1: and caring woman who was very smart and beyond her
Speaker 1: years wise. She knew the Warrens ed in Lorraine Warren
Speaker 1: and had a signed copy of their book, and after
Speaker 1: describing our experiences, we got a visit. I met the
Speaker 1: fabulous Loraine Warren when I was about ten. Wish it
Speaker 1: could have been under better circumstances. She gave us the
Speaker 1: skinny on our home. She told us that our house
Speaker 1: had a freaking portal and it was likely that my
Speaker 1: father was being oppressed by something malevolent. We had a
Speaker 1: priest come and bless our whole family and the house.
Speaker 1: We did this a number of times by the time
Speaker 1: we were able to move in when I was seventeen,
Speaker 1: twelve years after moving in. This is one of the
Speaker 1: few times I've actually told the story, and I've always
Speaker 1: felt that our time there had a lot of tropes
Speaker 1: one hears from paranormal stories. I know that your podcast
Speaker 1: and the listeners like me would love the tale. I
Speaker 1: think having touched the paranormal can leave one isolated fear
Speaker 1: of being judged or labeled as spooky, But when I
Speaker 1: meet someone else who has had experiences, I get a
Speaker 1: rush of excitement, like seeing an old friend. Well, thanks
Speaker 1: for sharing that justin. That is so cool that you
Speaker 1: got to meet Lorraine Warren. And if you would like
Speaker 1: me to read your story on the show, please send
Speaker 1: it to ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com. Leave
Speaker 1: it in a five star review on Apple podcasts or
Speaker 1: in our Facebook group Ghosted by Razdres Flees Oh, which
Speaker 1: reminds me another story in the Facebook group. Okay, this
Speaker 1: one came from Anna and it was just posted this week,
Speaker 1: and okay, Anna writes, hey ros and Ghosted listeners. I've
Speaker 1: been an avid listener of Ghosted since it first came out,
Speaker 1: but I've always enjoyed listening about ghost stories without actually
Speaker 1: having experienced anything dot dot dot until last night. I
Speaker 1: recently moved to a cute beach town on Vancouver Island
Speaker 1: in Canada for work, and I moved in with a
Speaker 1: really nice lady who owns the house. She told me
Speaker 1: that she had experienced some paranormal stuff here a few
Speaker 1: years ago. She said that she felt like something was
Speaker 1: angry at her. Her cat was always on alert and
Speaker 1: would freak out randomly, and she would feel the hairs
Speaker 1: on the back of her neck stand up and cool
Speaker 1: air pass by her. She said she firmly asked it
Speaker 1: to leave and hasn't had issues since.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I moved in a week ago, and I noticed her
Speaker 1: cat doesn't like coming into my room, even though he
Speaker 1: enjoys cuddling me in other areas of the house. He
Speaker 1: seems really on guard near my room, and he's curious
Speaker 1: about coming in, but usually stays near the door. Last night,
Speaker 1: I woke up to a huge crash in my room
Speaker 1: and I saw that my very heavy and sturdy floor
Speaker 1: lamp had fallen to the ground. I was in the
Speaker 1: middle of a really deep sleep, but saw a bright
Speaker 1: white flash behind my eyes as I heard the crash.
Speaker 1: I checked the time and it was three thirty am.
Speaker 1: I don't really flail around in my sleep or anything,
Speaker 1: so I really don't know if there's any explanation for this.
Speaker 1: My door was closed, so the cat couldn't have come
Speaker 1: in and knocked it over, and it was securely on
Speaker 1: the ground. Nothing underneath the lamp or anything when I
Speaker 1: went to bed. What do I do to try to
Speaker 1: cleanse the room?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Okay, Anna, thanks for sharing that. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of different ways of cleansing a room, and people, it
Speaker 1: looks like have commented different ways that they know. So
Speaker 1: if you guys would like to also contribute a different
Speaker 1: way that Anna could clear that out, go to the
Speaker 1: Facebook group. I personally have gotten into Palo Santo, but
Speaker 1: I know that there's other things I've never had to
Speaker 1: actually like try to clear something that I think is
Speaker 1: actually paranormal. But somebody that might know more than me,
Speaker 1: head to the Facebook group. So have you heard about
Speaker 1: this app called Stereo? I just got into it. It
Speaker 1: is super fun. I know I'm always trying to like
Speaker 1: tell you about new things and how you can get
Speaker 1: more of me. But I just started using it and
Speaker 1: it's so basically what it is is it's it's like
Speaker 1: a type of social media, but it's also kind of
Speaker 1: like podcast ye at the same time. So the way
Speaker 1: it works is a person goes live and they kind
Speaker 1: of like do these shows and then people listening can
Speaker 1: record themselves saying things or they can join the conversation
Speaker 1: and then it gets played. And I've been doing it
Speaker 1: and just on the app. I've done it in the past
Speaker 1: few nights, and I really enjoy it. I really do.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's just it's a fun you know,
Speaker 1: more laid But it's like going live on like Instagram
Speaker 1: or Facebook, but you're you don't look the same, like
Speaker 1: you make a little avatar. It's like a little cartoon
Speaker 1: version of yourself. And I'm gonna just like do it,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna keep doing it. So if you want,
Speaker 1: download the app Stereo and follow me at Rose Dress
Speaker 1: Falles And just to kick things off on there, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go live tonight. If you're listening to this Thursday,
Speaker 1: which is the fourteenth of January, I'm gonna be on
Speaker 1: there at seven pm Pacific Standard time, and I want
Speaker 1: to talk about ghosts. We can talk about whatever. You
Speaker 1: just send me like a little message on the stream
Speaker 1: and hopefully I can chat with you. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just it's fun. I like it. It's like a
Speaker 1: different it's a new thing, and you know, we're all
Speaker 1: being hipsters being like, oh, this is a new thing,
Speaker 1: and we're like, you know, doing it before. It's the
Speaker 1: biggest thing in the world. I remember when TikTok came out,
Speaker 1: people were like, you got to get on TikTok and
Speaker 1: I was like, what which again, I'm like, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on TikTok. I got a TikTok. You
Speaker 1: can follow me at rest Joseflast. I haven't posted anything yet,
Speaker 1: but I'm definitely working on some spooky content on there
Speaker 1: as well. So check out Stereo tonight seven pm Pacific
Speaker 1: Standard time. I will be going live and of course Patreon.
Speaker 1: This week, my video is me going through some of
Speaker 1: my vintage spooky paranormal books and this paranormal magazine that
Speaker 1: I bought on eBay from nineteen sixty eight. And it's
Speaker 1: fun to look at, you know, the pictures, and I
Speaker 1: like the fonts, like the way that you know UFOs
Speaker 1: like in the sixties. It's just so fun to look at.
Speaker 1: But that's a little video I did this week. And
Speaker 1: then we've got a bonus clip from Jinks and I
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about it last week, but I
Speaker 1: really really enjoyed the story that Jink shared about getting
Speaker 1: to know Joan Rivers and then the theater that they
Speaker 1: worked at together, how people have said they've seen the
Speaker 1: spirit of Joan and it's just a fun little clip.
Speaker 1: So that's on my second tier of Patreon, Patreon dot com,
Speaker 1: slash roz dres false. Okay, here is part two of
Speaker 1: my conversation with Jinks Monsoon, winner of season five of
Speaker 1: RuPaul's Drag Race On with the show.
Speaker 3: I will say the most ghost experiences that I have
Speaker 3: in my adult life is I was extremely close to
Speaker 3: my grandmother and there have been significant, most significant moments
Speaker 3: in my adult life that I've been visited by my
Speaker 3: grandmother when I've really needed to just like check in
Speaker 3: with her. And sometimes it's dreaming. It's difficult with narcolepsy,
Speaker 3: like I dream all night long. I never fall into
Speaker 3: the deepest cycle of sleep where your brain completely shuts down.
Speaker 3: So I'm very used to just having really active, really
Speaker 3: vivid dreams, which you know, if it's all, if it's
Speaker 3: all a figment of my subconscious then so be it.
Speaker 3: But my grandma has visited me many times when I've
Speaker 3: needed her most in my dreams or during sleep paralysis,
Speaker 3: or you know, in lucid dreaming. And it was really
Speaker 3: difficult because my grandmother had a stroke about a year
Speaker 3: before she passed away, so for a year she was
Speaker 3: just completely incapacitated. And my grandma was a warrior, you know,
Speaker 3: like she was one of the strongest, fiercest women I know.
Speaker 3: She didn't let any bullshit happen on her watch. She
Speaker 3: was very protective of her family, extremely protective of me.
Speaker 3: And then you know, she had her stroke and she
Speaker 3: couldn't move and she couldn't talk, and it was really
Speaker 3: hard to see this like really powerful, fierce woman that
Speaker 3: I knew my whole life be so frail and helpless
Speaker 3: for the last year of her life. And what's interesting
Speaker 3: is when she's visited me in my dreams, it's this
Speaker 3: weird in between state between the warrior I knew her
Speaker 3: to be and who she was in her last year,
Speaker 3: where she's able to walk, she's able to move, and
Speaker 3: she's able to communicate with me, but she still can't talk.
Speaker 3: And that's the creepiest aspect of it, is like feeling
Speaker 3: like she's talking to me with her eyes but not
Speaker 3: saying any words. But it has been very helpful at
Speaker 3: times to be able to check in with my grandma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you guys are connected, I think, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that she's probably definitely visits you in those dreams.
Speaker 1: I mean with narcolepsy, is sleep paralysis is it common?
Speaker 3: You know, no more common than with anyone who experiences,
Speaker 3: you know, sleeping difficulties. It can be a symptom of narcolepsy.
Speaker 3: Seepsy is affects a lot of people different ways. You know,
Speaker 3: it's all about a chemicals imbalance in your brain. You know,
Speaker 3: it's oftentimes misdiagnosed as depression because the symptoms can look
Speaker 3: a lot like symptoms of depression. So like when you
Speaker 3: think of narcolepsy and you think of how it's depicted
Speaker 3: in the media, like someone just like falling asleep, like
Speaker 3: turning out a light. Like. There are people with narcolepsy
Speaker 3: who experience it that way, but it's a very It's
Speaker 3: a much smaller group in the narcoleptic population, and many
Speaker 3: more narcoleptic people are in the more like moderate category,
Speaker 3: where they experience some of the symptoms but not all
Speaker 3: of the symptoms. For me, my narcolepsy feels like from
Speaker 3: the moment I wake up till the moment I go
Speaker 3: to sleep, it feels like I had a zequill or
Speaker 3: a a sleep aid, and I still have to like
Speaker 3: get up and and do my day with the constant
Speaker 3: weighted feeling of being tired and then the dreaming, which
Speaker 3: is why I'm still even though I'm sober from booze,
Speaker 3: I still actively use marijuana to suppress dreams at night
Speaker 3: so I can have a little bit more of a
Speaker 3: chance of sleeping soundly.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, oh god, that is so funny. Well, you know
Speaker 1: what I want to do one more thing. I have
Speaker 1: this new segment. I'm gonna try this is the first
Speaker 1: time ever doing this.
Speaker 3: I just remembered another ghost experience. You know.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, let's hear it.
Speaker 3: I believe, I do believe heavily in ghosts. Like it
Speaker 3: was actually a very important conversation I had to have
Speaker 3: with my partner before our relationship could go to the
Speaker 3: next level.
Speaker 1: Really was do you believe in ghosts? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And not even that he needed to believe in them,
Speaker 3: but that like we, like I needed to know what
Speaker 3: he felt about ghosts. I needed him to know what
Speaker 3: I felt about ghosts, and they needed to make sure
Speaker 3: like we had a mutual respect for each other's beliefs.
Speaker 1: And I've done the same things and.
Speaker 3: We came to a good understanding where we don't believe
Speaker 3: the exact same things, but we both believe in the
Speaker 3: possibility of things. But what really like affected him was
Speaker 3: meeting my aunt. So I've talked about my aunt a
Speaker 3: few times. My aunt Mimi. Her real name is Missy,
Speaker 3: but I've called her Mimi since I was a kid.
Speaker 3: But uh so, the the interesting thing about my aunt
Speaker 3: is that she was born with multiple birth defects. They
Speaker 3: found a brain tumor when she was really young. Don't
Speaker 3: worry she's she's healthy and she's well now, but basically,
Speaker 3: multiple times throughout her life she's been very near death.
Speaker 3: She's had a lot of near death experiences. So when
Speaker 3: it comes to like authority on ghost interactions and angels
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, I do tend to take her word,
Speaker 3: you know, because she has a lot more experience it
Speaker 3: with it than anyone else I know. And when she
Speaker 3: and my partner were getting to know each other, she
Speaker 3: talks openly about ghosts. She talks openly about having conversations
Speaker 3: with ghosts in her day to day activity. You know,
Speaker 3: she fully fully leans into talking about, like, you know,
Speaker 3: having a conversation with my grandma that morning and stuff,
Speaker 3: and she doesn't hide it. She's unapologetic, and I love
Speaker 3: that about her. And Michael, my partner, said something to
Speaker 3: the effect of, like, I don't know if I I
Speaker 3: believe in all of that, but hearing her talk about it,
Speaker 3: I one hundred percent believe that it's true for her,
Speaker 3: whether it's true in the real world or whether it's
Speaker 3: just you know, something in her life. She doesn't talk
Speaker 3: about it like someone who's making something up or who's
Speaker 3: just deluded. She talks about it like a very intelligent,
Speaker 3: mindful person who this happens to be true for So
Speaker 3: I've always let my aunt be the authority on ghosts
Speaker 3: for me when I was in college. This is the
Speaker 3: actual story I meant to tell. I just went on
Speaker 3: a tangent just now. But when I was in college,
Speaker 3: I was a janitor at my college all four years
Speaker 3: that I went there. So I would wake up really
Speaker 3: early and go clean the school and certain buildings for
Speaker 3: the school, and then go to my classes. And it
Speaker 3: meant that I spent a lot of time alone early
Speaker 3: in the morning, completely alone in our performance space, which
Speaker 3: is known famously in Seattle as Raisbeck Hall, And they
Speaker 3: used to be the Sons and Daughters of Norway Building
Speaker 3: and it was a gay square dancing bar for a while.
Speaker 3: It's at a lot of lives amazing. It's famously known
Speaker 3: as a haunted building in Seattle, and I spent a
Speaker 3: lot of time alone there. And it's just like there
Speaker 3: was never any way of knowing when I was hearing
Speaker 3: footsteps if it was someone who also happened to be
Speaker 3: at the school early, or if it was you know, some.
Speaker 1: Most line dancing. Yeah, a gay ghost line dancing down
Speaker 1: the hallway.
Speaker 3: It was just constant, like because you know, there would
Speaker 3: be people getting there early and setting up something, or
Speaker 3: like they left something there the night before so they
Speaker 3: had to go before class or whatever. But I'd be
Speaker 3: there at like six in the morning, and I'd hear
Speaker 3: movement all throughout the building. And it's a very acoustically
Speaker 3: sound building, so it's like I could be down in
Speaker 3: the basement and could hear things up in two floors
Speaker 3: up in the building, and it was I never had
Speaker 3: any like spooks. I never had any scares in that building.
Speaker 3: I just constantly felt and heard the sounds of people
Speaker 3: walking around me all the time, and it was like
Speaker 3: I just never really thought to pay it much mind.
Speaker 3: What I did is that I would just say at
Speaker 3: the top of my lungs, so that if it was
Speaker 3: a person, they'd like know that there was someone else
Speaker 3: in the building with this smart or if it was
Speaker 3: a ghost, you know, I was like, I've always thought that,
Speaker 3: like my my Broadway belting would keep any harmful ghosts
Speaker 3: at bay because it would just be too annoying for
Speaker 3: them to handle.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's do this quick little segment that I just created.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm gonna rapid fire throw out some
Speaker 1: unexplained phenomena and then give me like one or two
Speaker 1: sentences what you think, is it real? Is it not real?
Speaker 1: How do we explain it? Do you believe in it?
Speaker 1: And then if we want to, we can go back
Speaker 1: and discuss a little bit more. Okay, Yeah, sounds first
Speaker 1: up UFO's thoughts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think why not? You know, I think, uh,
Speaker 3: I truly believe that with all that we don't understand
Speaker 3: about the universe, that there's got to be something else
Speaker 3: out there, you know, and whether we can comprehend it
Speaker 3: or not, you know, there's no reason to believe that
Speaker 3: we're alone in this universe. But I'm not sure that
Speaker 3: any like true alien crafts have touched down on this planet.
Speaker 3: But also, you know, like the governments have fucked up
Speaker 3: group of people. They could keep anything they want from
Speaker 3: us if they try hard enough. So who knows, right,
Speaker 3: especially twenty twenty, like there has been so many headlines
Speaker 3: about like UFOs trying to make contacts, trying to make contacts.
Speaker 3: They're trying to get some contacts over here. They're trying
Speaker 3: to get a gig.
Speaker 1: The worst venue in the galaxy Okay, let's move on
Speaker 1: to unexplained phenomena. How about haunted dolls.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like if there was, I
Speaker 3: feel like, yes, there there can definitely be dolls or
Speaker 3: other such artifacts stained with traumatic energy that like radiate
Speaker 3: negative energy that gives the impression of being haunted. But
Speaker 3: the way we've been told about haunted dolls through through
Speaker 3: the movies and through media, that's not what it really
Speaker 3: is in real life. I'm sure it's more just like
Speaker 3: feeling jinxed. I had a haunted doll when I was
Speaker 3: a child, and I forgot you really, I can't believe
Speaker 3: I didn't start this podcast with tales of scratch Baby.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's better believe it vague.
Speaker 1: No, I need to hear about this.
Speaker 3: Okay, So my mom had a doll she had chewed
Speaker 3: on the you know, when she was a little girl.
Speaker 3: She had chewed on the fingers of this plastic doll
Speaker 3: so that the fingers were like pointy and scratchy, and
Speaker 3: she had also like cut off its hair and it
Speaker 3: had lost all its clothing. It was a terrifying looking
Speaker 3: doll and it freaked me out as a kid. And
Speaker 3: I called it scratch Baby because of its little like fingers,
Speaker 3: it's little chewed up fingers, and I would have nightmares
Speaker 3: of scratch Baby attacking me, and then I'd wake up
Speaker 3: with scratches on my face. Now, of course I could
Speaker 3: have scratched my own face, and my brain created the
Speaker 3: dream about scratch Baby. One specific dream I still remember
Speaker 3: to this day was that I entered my room, turned
Speaker 3: on the light, and the ceiling fans started spinning, and
Speaker 3: scratch Baby was on one of the blades of the
Speaker 3: ceiling fan and I could see her whipping around over
Speaker 3: and over and over until she finally, like at the
Speaker 3: right moment, left off the fan down on to me
Speaker 3: and just started clawing up my face. Now that's all whatever,
Speaker 3: But what happened was it was one of those freaky things.
Speaker 3: Multiple times, my mom, because of how much it terrified me,
Speaker 3: tried to get scratch Baby out of the house and
Speaker 3: would either throw it away or give it away to someone,
Speaker 3: And somehow scratch Baby kept coming back, Like, we kept
Speaker 3: finding scratch Baby in the house, and what normally would
Speaker 3: happen is my mom would like throw it away or
Speaker 3: give it to someone to take out of the house,
Speaker 3: and I'd stop having the dreams and then one night
Speaker 3: I'd have a dream again, and then my mom would
Speaker 3: search throughout the house and she'd end up finding scratch
Speaker 3: Baby again. And still we couldn't explain it, you know,
Speaker 3: like we don't know how it kept coming back. But
Speaker 3: then finally my mom put scratch Baby in the trunk
Speaker 3: of her friend's car that was being compacted. You know,
Speaker 3: it was a total car and it was being compacted
Speaker 3: at the Junkyard. So she put scratch Baby in the
Speaker 3: trunk of that car. The car got smashed down to
Speaker 3: a cube, and I never had the dreams again, and
Speaker 3: she never came back.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I have this theory that the toy
Speaker 1: story movies are about haunted dolls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or demons.
Speaker 1: You know what, back to my game. What do you
Speaker 1: think about demons?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I you know, I really do think
Speaker 3: like I don't know. This is gonna sound so like
Speaker 3: my own ass, but I wrote, like my my thesis
Speaker 3: in my I was taking a college English clash clash
Speaker 3: a college English class, Oh my god, college English class
Speaker 3: my senior year of high school. And my thesis was
Speaker 3: on God being real because we created God like that,
Speaker 3: we as mankind, have created the concept of God so
Speaker 3: thoroughly that now we can't consider God to be a
Speaker 3: fake idea because we've created the reality of God so
Speaker 3: much so that our brains have a place in our
Speaker 3: brain and this is true. There's a place in our brain,
Speaker 3: I think, connected to or near the limbic system that
Speaker 3: like stores our concept of God. Whether you believe in
Speaker 3: God or not, there's a chunk of your brain that
Speaker 3: is dedicated to storing what you know about God and
Speaker 3: can be triggered through the limbic system when you have
Speaker 3: an epileptic seizure, which is why a lot of people
Speaker 3: who have epileptic seizures come out of it thinking that
Speaker 3: they saw God and that they had a near death experience.
Speaker 3: So so anyway, blah blah, blah, blah blah. I think
Speaker 3: the same thing applies to demons, you know, like whether
Speaker 3: or not demons are the way they're described in the Bible,
Speaker 3: or demons are just our darkest parts of ourselves personified.
Speaker 3: You know, when you think about the lengths at which
Speaker 3: mental illness can affect a person, and you know, you
Speaker 3: think out how how many things in our life we
Speaker 3: we can't explain for ourselves or something inside of us
Speaker 3: that we feel to be true, but we can't necessarily,
Speaker 3: like logically explain it for other people. All of that
Speaker 3: has to go somewhere, and I think sometimes it gets
Speaker 3: its own persona, and that's what demons are. So whether
Speaker 3: demons are like spirits that inhabit humans, or demons are
Speaker 3: our darkest parts of ourself that manifest over time. I
Speaker 3: believe demons exist in one form or another. Did that
Speaker 3: get really? Did that get really?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 3: Hippy? Woo woo slash?
Speaker 1: Now it's sellectual asshole, It's good. No, I like, like,
Speaker 1: I like hearing that, And uh, yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: a lot of times religion has a lot to do
Speaker 1: with it. The way you're raised of what a demon is,
Speaker 1: what it looks like, how it manifests. I think that
Speaker 1: that also contributes to how a demon's going to appear
Speaker 1: to you or what that means. I think it's just
Speaker 1: it's a lot of it can be taught or you know,
Speaker 1: learned from outside sources.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think there's a lot of like a
Speaker 3: lot of influences that can bring our demons out. And
Speaker 3: I do believe that there's like there's pain, and there's trauma,
Speaker 3: and there's sadness that becomes so strong within us that
Speaker 3: there's no other way to refer to them than like
Speaker 3: a demon.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've suffered. I've suffered with alcoholism in my life,
Speaker 3: both like my own alcoholism and then also you know,
Speaker 3: being present for a lot of my mom's alcoholism. And
Speaker 3: I'm telling you there were nights where it wasn't just
Speaker 3: that my mom was too drunk. There were nights when
Speaker 3: I saw something inside of her that wasn't her, something
Speaker 3: inside of her that was a manifestation of trauma expressing
Speaker 3: itself in her body but not her.
Speaker 1: And so whether.
Speaker 3: It was like a supernatural demon from hell, or if
Speaker 3: it was just the personification of my mother's pain and
Speaker 3: trauma that she had experienced in her life, of which
Speaker 3: there was much pain and trauma one way or another,
Speaker 3: that's what I would call a demon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Well, another thing that I was thinking. So
Speaker 1: one time I had Jack Osborne on the show, and
Speaker 1: he hosts a show called Portals to Hell, and I
Speaker 1: asked him about his belief in demons, and he pointed
Speaker 1: out to me, which I'm like, what do I never
Speaker 1: even think about this that there's so many people in
Speaker 1: this world that think that just drag queens are demons
Speaker 1: or evil or you know what I mean, or heavy
Speaker 1: metal or whatever, dungeons and dragons, and so it's like
Speaker 1: to different people, it means different things.
Speaker 3: And in different states of mind. I mean, I was
Speaker 3: on the first time I ever did mushrooms. I looked
Speaker 3: at myself in the mirror, and I realized for the
Speaker 3: first time ever that Jinx was not just something I created,
Speaker 3: She was something inside of me. At that moment in time,
Speaker 3: I believed her to be a demon that like took
Speaker 3: hold of my body when she needed it. I don't
Speaker 3: feel that way anymore. I feel like Jinks is just, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, it's an extension of myself. But yeah, there
Speaker 3: are times where Jinks has definitely been a demon. There's
Speaker 3: been times where Jinks isn't control and and Jerrek's just
Speaker 3: a passenger.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me give you a couple more little things
Speaker 1: unexplained phenomena. Why I'm not famous? No, how about Bigfoot?
Speaker 3: You know, uh, yeah, I guess I don't really, you know,
Speaker 3: this is just a personal preference. I just don't get
Speaker 3: into Bigfoot theories because the people who like have dedicated
Speaker 3: themselves to finding Bigfoot are generally the most obnoxious people.
Speaker 3: So it's it's a personal choice that I do not
Speaker 3: want to like even like tread the waters of Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: So next, I love how you say personal preference because
Speaker 1: dating app or something with no bigot enthusiasts.
Speaker 3: Now, listen, I'm very open minded. It's just a personal
Speaker 3: preference that now. And you know, it's I'm sure lots
Speaker 3: of people will tease me as being someone who has, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, talked openly on stage and in my work
Speaker 3: about having a foot fetish, and I have zero interest
Speaker 3: in Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, last one unexplained phenomenon the liquid
Speaker 1: dripping from Rudy Giuliani's head.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, I've seen so many great theories. I
Speaker 3: would say, you know, in the Fifth Element, have you
Speaker 3: seen that movie?
Speaker 1: Of course you have, it's been a minute, but yes.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you haven't seen the movie, you've at
Speaker 3: least seen the scene of the Blue Lady singing. Anyway,
Speaker 3: in the movie, the main villain, like the Big Boss
Speaker 3: at the end, is like a planet that is actually
Speaker 3: the manifestation of all darkness and evil in the universe.
Speaker 3: So there's like this human villain who's working for this
Speaker 3: evil villain. And when the human villain gets phone calls
Speaker 3: from the big Boss and the big Boss is mad
Speaker 3: with him, he uses his evil energy to affect the
Speaker 3: human like talking to him on the phone, and this
Speaker 3: weird like black tar goo just starts dripping down his
Speaker 3: head like evil is manifesting and he's melting. It looks
Speaker 3: exactly like what was coming off of Rudy Giuliani to
Speaker 3: him anything, I would say he was getting orders from
Speaker 3: the ancient evil that resides in space, and all poalesced
Speaker 3: in that moment.
Speaker 1: Well, you want to hear some ghost voices?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yes, please.
Speaker 1: I didn't even tell you we do this segment here
Speaker 1: it's told me EVP or ev please do you what
Speaker 1: ton EVP is? Yes, yes, yeah, electronic voice phenomenon, So
Speaker 1: ghost voices that are captured. And so what I do, Jens,
Speaker 1: is I go to YouTube and I look up some
Speaker 1: EVPs and I like to have my guests guess what
Speaker 1: they hear or have any thoughts, comments, concerns and uh,
Speaker 1: and then I'll tell you what the real answer, at
Speaker 1: least what the investigator believes the ghost is saying. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this first one came from Spirit Gales on YouTube
Speaker 1: and it's at the Eastern State Penitentiary. Is it penitentiary
Speaker 1: or penitentiary?
Speaker 3: I just in there say it with an accent, and
Speaker 3: then everyone will just think you're doing a bit penitentiary.
Speaker 1: Yes, there we go.
Speaker 2: Uh and uh.
Speaker 1: This is which is in Philadelphia and it's like this,
Speaker 1: that's one of those places that's like the ghost Hunting
Speaker 1: shows love it. It's like completely spooky. What is this
Speaker 1: ghost saying? Did you hear anything? There's a lot of
Speaker 1: background noise, but yeah.
Speaker 3: Saying do you believe in love?
Speaker 2: Do you love?
Speaker 1: I kinda hear that.
Speaker 2: Do you believe in love?
Speaker 1: You make it sound like.
Speaker 3: This ghost before doing a yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: exactly that's what That's what it is. That was their
Speaker 3: favorite song. What song is that? Isn't it Madonna?
Speaker 2: Do you Believe in Love? It's express?
Speaker 3: Yeah, express yourself?
Speaker 1: Not to be my version Panda, express yourself. Okay, Well
Speaker 1: here I'll give you some options. One of these is
Speaker 1: what Spirit Girls on YouTube believes. It says, is it
Speaker 1: a okay? Fears? B who can hear us? See look
Speaker 1: at this? Or d let's go girls twain.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say who can hear us.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what they believe. He'll played again.
Speaker 3: I can hear us.
Speaker 1: I think it could be that, or it could be
Speaker 1: like you can hear us, like I don't know. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's one more. This one is from Greg Seekly on
Speaker 1: YouTube and it's at the tunnels at Fairview Training Center
Speaker 1: in Salem, Oregon. And uh, what do you hear here?
Speaker 1: You play it again? Do the splits? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: these are like the best guesses I think I've ever had,
Speaker 1: because it really does kind of sound like that. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: it's one of these options. It's not that the splits
Speaker 1: I love. It's like a drag queen's conscience as for
Speaker 1: their life, like girl, it's not going well. Do the splits, girl,
Speaker 1: Do the.
Speaker 3: Splits, or it's a it's a critical drag queen in
Speaker 3: the audience, like girl, the numbers is failing. Do the
Speaker 3: split fucking wirw girl.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well here's uh, here's some options. Is it a
Speaker 1: eat sandwich? Is it be she's a witch? C don't
Speaker 1: be a snitch? Or d easy bitch? I'll play it again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna say she's a witch.
Speaker 1: It is that's what they think she's a witch.
Speaker 3: Which is what's funny to me is you said this
Speaker 3: comes from Salem, Oregon, Like just all Salem's a witch, hubs,
Speaker 3: you know, I know we only hear about Salem, Massachusetts.
Speaker 3: But trust me, which is just love places named Salem?
Speaker 1: I know it. Okay, Well, you know what, Jakes, You've
Speaker 1: been so generous with your time. I think I think
Speaker 1: that's about it.
Speaker 3: But thank you, Ross. I really enjoy this. I normally
Speaker 3: feel like really anxious when I go when I go
Speaker 3: dark and share, share dark theories or or like really
Speaker 3: out there, pretty out there concepts, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the place to do it. Like
Speaker 1: everyone listening to this is either open to hearing different
Speaker 1: ideas or they're just like fully on board, like so
Speaker 1: like it's it's a safe space.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Are you What's I mean? What do you got coming
Speaker 1: on and coming up in the new year? Where can
Speaker 1: people find you?
Speaker 3: The big things are? Everyone should go watch the Jinx
Speaker 3: and Dala holiday special. You can watch it on Jinxondala
Speaker 3: dot com.
Speaker 1: Wait, I do have to warn you. I think I'm
Speaker 1: a humbercent sure, but this might be like the first
Speaker 1: week of the new year. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: That's fine, that's fine, keep all of this in there.
Speaker 3: It'll still be there, it'll still be available. And even
Speaker 3: though we will be past Christmas, I mean, I used
Speaker 3: to watch them up at Christmas Carol year round, you know.
Speaker 1: And I know that there's Christmas year round, bitches.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I think these days, now that
Speaker 3: we live in an era of binge watching television, you
Speaker 3: get used to watching out of season Christmas episodes anyway,
Speaker 3: So totally, I want to encourage everyone, even post Christmas,
Speaker 3: to give our show a watch, because I'm so proud
Speaker 3: of it. I'm normally the most critical of my own work,
Speaker 3: and I have nothing critical to say about this because
Speaker 3: because Dayla poured so much time and effort into perfecting this,
Speaker 3: this film we created together. She spent countless hours working
Speaker 3: with editors and and making sure that what we filmed
Speaker 3: became the movie that we envisioned when we wrote it.
Speaker 3: So I can't recommend this highly enough. If you like Christmas,
Speaker 3: if you hate Christmas, if you like drag queens, if
Speaker 3: you hate drag queens, none of that matters. It's a
Speaker 3: good film, period, So go watch it. Chinksondala dot com
Speaker 3: just the visuals alone, I'm fucking sold.
Speaker 1: It's gorgeous.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm so excited for you to see it. And
Speaker 3: you can also purchase or listen to the soundtrack, which
Speaker 3: is I mean, maybe the music is a little less
Speaker 3: exciting post Christmas, but you know it'll be there waiting
Speaker 3: for you next year. I have a Patreon page that
Speaker 3: I'm running now, so I'm working weekly with my partner,
Speaker 3: my best friend Kenny, and my videographer Liam Krug and
Speaker 3: my comedy partner, Nick Sajoya. And my partner name is Michael.
Speaker 3: I just realized I named everyone except for my partner.
Speaker 3: But me and my partner Michael do music. Our band
Speaker 3: name is Dink and Deedle, and so I'm doing sketches.
Speaker 3: I have a podcast that's up there. You know, it's
Speaker 3: just basically if you want to watch me do all
Speaker 3: the crazy things I do to keep myself staying through
Speaker 3: the pandemic, It's all on my Patreon and besides that,
Speaker 3: you know, just follow me on my social medias and
Speaker 3: just keep informed on all the fun and wacky ways
Speaker 3: I spend my time.
Speaker 1: Thank you to Jinks Monsoon. I love drinks so much,
Speaker 1: and you know, we just had Christmas Time and Jinks
Speaker 1: and Benda La Crem made an appearance in the holiday
Speaker 1: movie Happiest Season, which I loved, which was on Hulu.
Speaker 1: They also had their own holiday special and I really
Speaker 1: think that it's going to become a tradition to watch
Speaker 1: those every single year because they have just completely created
Speaker 1: something totally new in the world of drag for the holidays.
Speaker 1: And just go check out Jinks. I mean, Jinx is
Speaker 1: so cool and I'm so grateful that she took the
Speaker 1: time to chat with me. She's not someone I get
Speaker 1: to see that much or talk to, and I just
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed getting to get to know her a
Speaker 1: little bit more So, if you want to hear even more,
Speaker 1: go to patreon dot com. We've got a bonus clip
Speaker 1: from last week where she's talking about drag during a pandemic,
Speaker 1: and this week she is talking about her relationship getting
Speaker 1: to know Joan Rivers a bit, and we talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about the ghost of Joan Rivers that some
Speaker 1: people have reported seeing at a theater in New York.
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Speaker 1: the show if you've never seen it, because Amy knows
Speaker 1: exactly what she's talking about, and she's going to be
Speaker 1: talking about her new book, which is called Life with
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Speaker 1: So it's part of the Robs Jrosephelets Book Club. Add
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Speaker 1: So I will talk to you next week tonight on stereo,
Speaker 1: but also next week. I love you all, both living
Speaker 1: and dead. But if I didn't ask you to haunt me,
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