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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I'm go said Hi, ras Dress.

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Speaker 1: Hey boo, it's me Roz. I'm so happy to hear

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Speaker 1: of all the people that enjoyed my conversation last week

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Speaker 1: with Jink's mom. Soon and today we are going to

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Speaker 1: be finishing out that conversation. And there are more topics

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Speaker 1: to cover, and there are EVPs and a fun little

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Speaker 1: U game. But you know, just like with EVPs, not

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Speaker 1: really a game, but what I'm gonna call a game

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Speaker 1: that I'm gonna be doing for the first time today,

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Speaker 1: And if you have a fun title for it, maybe

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Speaker 1: I'll use that title and give you credit. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but I want to do another long little intro here

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Speaker 1: and talk about some different things that have been going

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Speaker 1: it here. I go, being the j Leno of the

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Speaker 1: paranormal once again. Hey you hear you hear about this

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Speaker 1: thing that happened. I'm not good at impressions. Hear about

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Speaker 1: this thing that whizzed by the earth that they think

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Speaker 1: Abby Loeb, and he's got a new book called Extraterrestrial,

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Speaker 1: and he's talking about how this thing. In twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 1: you might remember, there was an object in space that

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Speaker 1: It was a cigar shaped object, and it was ten

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Speaker 1: It didn't look like a comet, but it behaves some

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Speaker 1: like something that has an extra push, said Lobe. Now

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Speaker 1: NASA confirmed that's the first object there's ever been seen

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Speaker 1: in our Solar system that is known to have originated elsewhere,

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Speaker 1: but the origins are still unknown. It also says that

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Speaker 1: he argues in his book that the object was probably

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Speaker 1: is from many light years away. He says that it's

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Speaker 1: time for researchers to start looking at potential messages and

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Speaker 1: a bottle from other civilizations. We should be open minded

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Speaker 1: in search for evidence, rather than assume that everything we

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Speaker 1: see in the sky must be rocks, he said. But then, oh,

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Speaker 1: I really like this, he said, to consider the odds.

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Speaker 1: If you're somebody that doubts the existence of aliens, he

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Speaker 1: says that we know that half of the sun like

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Speaker 1: liquid water on the surface. That is just the chemistry

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Speaker 1: of life. That means that if you roll the dice

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Speaker 1: billions of times in the Milky Way galaxy. I miss

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Speaker 1: Milky Ways. I'm trying to eat better, we're probably not alone.

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Speaker 1: And moreover, we're probably not the sharpest cookie in the jar.

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Speaker 1: Oh I miss cookies too, the smartest kid on the block.

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Speaker 1: That is always what I think. I mean, I really

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Speaker 1: think that when you see a UFO, it is probably

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Speaker 1: like teenager aliens. Their parents are out of town. They

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about ghosts because there was a story

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Speaker 1: that I found really fun. It was posted by King

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Speaker 1: where this place is. It's the Daffodil Bowling Alley. It's

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Speaker 1: just called Daffodil Bowl. It's been around since the fifties. Okay. Now,

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that think that it's a

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Speaker 1: by Stephanie in the official Facebook group ghosted by Roz Dresfales.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing that, Stephanie. That's one of those places

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Speaker 1: a ghost story from a listener. Could it be you? Well,

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Speaker 1: it could be if your name is Justin. Justin, thanks

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Speaker 1: for sending me this. The subject line is a portal

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Speaker 1: and demons and the warrens oh my, Justin writes. I'm

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Speaker 1: The builders cut a lot of corners and left my

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Speaker 1: Our house was the first on the cul de Sac,

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Speaker 1: and later we learned that the whole hillside was dynamited

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Speaker 1: could have been under better circumstances. She gave us the

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Speaker 1: father was being oppressed by something malevolent. We had a

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Speaker 3: that about her. And Michael, my partner, said something to

431
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 3: the effect of, like, I don't know if I I

432
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 3: believe in all of that, but hearing her talk about it,

433
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 3: I one hundred percent believe that it's true for her,

434
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 3: whether it's true in the real world or whether it's

435
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: just you know, something in her life. She doesn't talk

436
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: about it like someone who's making something up or who's

437
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 3: just deluded. She talks about it like a very intelligent,

438
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 3: mindful person who this happens to be true for So

439
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: I've always let my aunt be the authority on ghosts

440
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 3: for me when I was in college. This is the

441
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 3: actual story I meant to tell. I just went on

442
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 3: a tangent just now. But when I was in college,

443
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 3: I was a janitor at my college all four years

444
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 3: that I went there. So I would wake up really

445
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 3: early and go clean the school and certain buildings for

446
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 3: the school, and then go to my classes. And it

447
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 3: meant that I spent a lot of time alone early

448
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 3: in the morning, completely alone in our performance space, which

449
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 3: is known famously in Seattle as Raisbeck Hall, And they

450
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 3: used to be the Sons and Daughters of Norway Building

451
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 3: and it was a gay square dancing bar for a while.

452
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 3: It's at a lot of lives amazing. It's famously known

453
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 3: as a haunted building in Seattle, and I spent a

454
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 3: lot of time alone there. And it's just like there

455
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: was never any way of knowing when I was hearing

456
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 3: footsteps if it was someone who also happened to be

457
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: at the school early, or if it was you know, some.

458
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: Most line dancing. Yeah, a gay ghost line dancing down

459
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: the hallway.

460
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 3: It was just constant, like because you know, there would

461
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 3: be people getting there early and setting up something, or

462
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: like they left something there the night before so they

463
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: had to go before class or whatever. But I'd be

464
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: there at like six in the morning, and I'd hear

465
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 3: movement all throughout the building. And it's a very acoustically

466
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 3: sound building, so it's like I could be down in

467
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: the basement and could hear things up in two floors

468
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 3: up in the building, and it was I never had

469
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 3: any like spooks. I never had any scares in that building.

470
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 3: I just constantly felt and heard the sounds of people

471
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 3: walking around me all the time, and it was like

472
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 3: I just never really thought to pay it much mind.

473
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 3: What I did is that I would just say at

474
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: the top of my lungs, so that if it was

475
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 3: a person, they'd like know that there was someone else

476
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 3: in the building with this smart or if it was

477
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 3: a ghost, you know, I was like, I've always thought that,

478
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 3: like my my Broadway belting would keep any harmful ghosts

479
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: at bay because it would just be too annoying for

480
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: them to handle.

481
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: Okay, let's do this quick little segment that I just created.

482
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm gonna rapid fire throw out some

483
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: unexplained phenomena and then give me like one or two

484
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: sentences what you think, is it real? Is it not real?

485
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: How do we explain it? Do you believe in it?

486
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: And then if we want to, we can go back

487
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: and discuss a little bit more. Okay, Yeah, sounds first

488
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: up UFO's thoughts.

489
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think why not? You know, I think, uh,

490
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: I truly believe that with all that we don't understand

491
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: about the universe, that there's got to be something else

492
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 3: out there, you know, and whether we can comprehend it

493
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 3: or not, you know, there's no reason to believe that

494
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 3: we're alone in this universe. But I'm not sure that

495
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 3: any like true alien crafts have touched down on this planet.

496
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 3: But also, you know, like the governments have fucked up

497
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: group of people. They could keep anything they want from

498
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 3: us if they try hard enough. So who knows, right,

499
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: especially twenty twenty, like there has been so many headlines

500
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: about like UFOs trying to make contacts, trying to make contacts.

501
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: They're trying to get some contacts over here. They're trying

502
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 3: to get a gig.

503
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: The worst venue in the galaxy Okay, let's move on

504
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: to unexplained phenomena. How about haunted dolls.

505
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like if there was, I

506
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 3: feel like, yes, there there can definitely be dolls or

507
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 3: other such artifacts stained with traumatic energy that like radiate

508
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: negative energy that gives the impression of being haunted. But

509
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: the way we've been told about haunted dolls through through

510
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 3: the movies and through media, that's not what it really

511
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: is in real life. I'm sure it's more just like

512
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 3: feeling jinxed. I had a haunted doll when I was

513
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: a child, and I forgot you really, I can't believe

514
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 3: I didn't start this podcast with tales of scratch Baby.

515
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: Maybe it's better believe it vague.

516
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: No, I need to hear about this.

517
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: Okay, So my mom had a doll she had chewed

518
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: on the you know, when she was a little girl.

519
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: She had chewed on the fingers of this plastic doll

520
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 3: so that the fingers were like pointy and scratchy, and

521
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: she had also like cut off its hair and it

522
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: had lost all its clothing. It was a terrifying looking

523
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 3: doll and it freaked me out as a kid. And

524
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: I called it scratch Baby because of its little like fingers,

525
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: it's little chewed up fingers, and I would have nightmares

526
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: of scratch Baby attacking me, and then I'd wake up

527
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 3: with scratches on my face. Now, of course I could

528
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: have scratched my own face, and my brain created the

529
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 3: dream about scratch Baby. One specific dream I still remember

530
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: to this day was that I entered my room, turned

531
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 3: on the light, and the ceiling fans started spinning, and

532
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: scratch Baby was on one of the blades of the

533
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 3: ceiling fan and I could see her whipping around over

534
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: and over and over until she finally, like at the

535
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: right moment, left off the fan down on to me

536
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 3: and just started clawing up my face. Now that's all whatever,

537
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 3: But what happened was it was one of those freaky things.

538
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 3: Multiple times, my mom, because of how much it terrified me,

539
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 3: tried to get scratch Baby out of the house and

540
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 3: would either throw it away or give it away to someone,

541
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 3: And somehow scratch Baby kept coming back, Like, we kept

542
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 3: finding scratch Baby in the house, and what normally would

543
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: happen is my mom would like throw it away or

544
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 3: give it to someone to take out of the house,

545
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 3: and I'd stop having the dreams and then one night

546
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: I'd have a dream again, and then my mom would

547
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 3: search throughout the house and she'd end up finding scratch

548
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: Baby again. And still we couldn't explain it, you know,

549
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 3: like we don't know how it kept coming back. But

550
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: then finally my mom put scratch Baby in the trunk

551
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 3: of her friend's car that was being compacted. You know,

552
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: it was a total car and it was being compacted

553
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: at the Junkyard. So she put scratch Baby in the

554
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: trunk of that car. The car got smashed down to

555
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 3: a cube, and I never had the dreams again, and

556
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 3: she never came back.

557
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I have this theory that the toy

558
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: story movies are about haunted dolls.

559
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, or demons.

560
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: You know what, back to my game. What do you

561
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: think about demons?

562
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I you know, I really do think

563
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: like I don't know. This is gonna sound so like

564
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: my own ass, but I wrote, like my my thesis

565
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 3: in my I was taking a college English clash clash

566
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 3: a college English class, Oh my god, college English class

567
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 3: my senior year of high school. And my thesis was

568
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: on God being real because we created God like that,

569
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 3: we as mankind, have created the concept of God so

570
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 3: thoroughly that now we can't consider God to be a

571
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 3: fake idea because we've created the reality of God so

572
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 3: much so that our brains have a place in our

573
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 3: brain and this is true. There's a place in our brain,

574
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: I think, connected to or near the limbic system that

575
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 3: like stores our concept of God. Whether you believe in

576
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 3: God or not, there's a chunk of your brain that

577
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: is dedicated to storing what you know about God and

578
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 3: can be triggered through the limbic system when you have

579
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,479
Speaker 3: an epileptic seizure, which is why a lot of people

580
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 3: who have epileptic seizures come out of it thinking that

581
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 3: they saw God and that they had a near death experience.

582
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 3: So so anyway, blah blah, blah, blah blah. I think

583
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: the same thing applies to demons, you know, like whether

584
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 3: or not demons are the way they're described in the Bible,

585
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 3: or demons are just our darkest parts of ourselves personified.

586
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 3: You know, when you think about the lengths at which

587
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: mental illness can affect a person, and you know, you

588
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: think out how how many things in our life we

589
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 3: we can't explain for ourselves or something inside of us

590
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 3: that we feel to be true, but we can't necessarily,

591
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: like logically explain it for other people. All of that

592
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: has to go somewhere, and I think sometimes it gets

593
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: its own persona, and that's what demons are. So whether

594
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 3: demons are like spirits that inhabit humans, or demons are

595
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 3: our darkest parts of ourself that manifest over time. I

596
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: believe demons exist in one form or another. Did that

597
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: get really? Did that get really?

598
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: Really?

599
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 3: Hippy? Woo woo slash?

600
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: Now it's sellectual asshole, It's good. No, I like, like,

601
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: I like hearing that, And uh, yeah, I think that

602
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: a lot of times religion has a lot to do

603
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: with it. The way you're raised of what a demon is,

604
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: what it looks like, how it manifests. I think that

605
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: that also contributes to how a demon's going to appear

606
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: to you or what that means. I think it's just

607
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: it's a lot of it can be taught or you know,

608
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: learned from outside sources.

609
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think there's a lot of like a

610
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 3: lot of influences that can bring our demons out. And

611
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 3: I do believe that there's like there's pain, and there's trauma,

612
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 3: and there's sadness that becomes so strong within us that

613
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 3: there's no other way to refer to them than like

614
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: a demon.

615
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: You know.

616
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I've suffered. I've suffered with alcoholism in my life,

617
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: both like my own alcoholism and then also you know,

618
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 3: being present for a lot of my mom's alcoholism. And

619
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 3: I'm telling you there were nights where it wasn't just

620
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 3: that my mom was too drunk. There were nights when

621
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 3: I saw something inside of her that wasn't her, something

622
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 3: inside of her that was a manifestation of trauma expressing

623
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 3: itself in her body but not her.

624
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: And so whether.

625
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 3: It was like a supernatural demon from hell, or if

626
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 3: it was just the personification of my mother's pain and

627
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: trauma that she had experienced in her life, of which

628
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: there was much pain and trauma one way or another,

629
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 3: that's what I would call a demon.

630
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Well, another thing that I was thinking. So

631
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: one time I had Jack Osborne on the show, and

632
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: he hosts a show called Portals to Hell, and I

633
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: asked him about his belief in demons, and he pointed

634
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: out to me, which I'm like, what do I never

635
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: even think about this that there's so many people in

636
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: this world that think that just drag queens are demons

637
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 1: or evil or you know what I mean, or heavy

638
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: metal or whatever, dungeons and dragons, and so it's like

639
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: to different people, it means different things.

640
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: And in different states of mind. I mean, I was

641
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 3: on the first time I ever did mushrooms. I looked

642
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 3: at myself in the mirror, and I realized for the

643
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 3: first time ever that Jinx was not just something I created,

644
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: She was something inside of me. At that moment in time,

645
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 3: I believed her to be a demon that like took

646
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 3: hold of my body when she needed it. I don't

647
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: feel that way anymore. I feel like Jinks is just, uh,

648
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Speaker 3: you know, it's an extension of myself. But yeah, there

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Speaker 3: are times where Jinks has definitely been a demon. There's

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Speaker 3: been times where Jinks isn't control and and Jerrek's just

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Speaker 3: a passenger.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me give you a couple more little things

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Speaker 1: unexplained phenomena. Why I'm not famous? No, how about Bigfoot?

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Speaker 3: You know, uh, yeah, I guess I don't really, you know,

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Speaker 3: this is just a personal preference. I just don't get

656
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Speaker 3: into Bigfoot theories because the people who like have dedicated

657
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Speaker 3: themselves to finding Bigfoot are generally the most obnoxious people.

658
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Speaker 3: So it's it's a personal choice that I do not

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Speaker 3: want to like even like tread the waters of Bigfoot.

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Speaker 1: So next, I love how you say personal preference because

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Speaker 1: dating app or something with no bigot enthusiasts.

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Speaker 3: Now, listen, I'm very open minded. It's just a personal

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Speaker 3: preference that now. And you know, it's I'm sure lots

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Speaker 3: of people will tease me as being someone who has, uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, talked openly on stage and in my work

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Speaker 3: about having a foot fetish, and I have zero interest

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Speaker 3: in Bigfoot.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, last one unexplained phenomenon the liquid

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Speaker 1: dripping from Rudy Giuliani's head.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, I've seen so many great theories. I

671
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Speaker 3: would say, you know, in the Fifth Element, have you

672
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Speaker 3: seen that movie?

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Speaker 1: Of course you have, it's been a minute, but yes.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you haven't seen the movie, you've at

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Speaker 3: least seen the scene of the Blue Lady singing. Anyway,

676
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Speaker 3: in the movie, the main villain, like the Big Boss

677
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Speaker 3: at the end, is like a planet that is actually

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Speaker 3: the manifestation of all darkness and evil in the universe.

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Speaker 3: So there's like this human villain who's working for this

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Speaker 3: evil villain. And when the human villain gets phone calls

681
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Speaker 3: from the big Boss and the big Boss is mad

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Speaker 3: with him, he uses his evil energy to affect the

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Speaker 3: human like talking to him on the phone, and this

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Speaker 3: weird like black tar goo just starts dripping down his

685
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Speaker 3: head like evil is manifesting and he's melting. It looks

686
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Speaker 3: exactly like what was coming off of Rudy Giuliani to

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Speaker 3: him anything, I would say he was getting orders from

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Speaker 3: the ancient evil that resides in space, and all poalesced

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Speaker 3: in that moment.

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Speaker 1: Well, you want to hear some ghost voices?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yes, please.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even tell you we do this segment here

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Speaker 1: it's told me EVP or ev please do you what

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Speaker 1: ton EVP is? Yes, yes, yeah, electronic voice phenomenon, So

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Speaker 1: ghost voices that are captured. And so what I do, Jens,

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Speaker 1: is I go to YouTube and I look up some

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Speaker 1: EVPs and I like to have my guests guess what

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Speaker 1: they hear or have any thoughts, comments, concerns and uh,

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Speaker 1: and then I'll tell you what the real answer, at

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Speaker 1: least what the investigator believes the ghost is saying. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so this first one came from Spirit Gales on YouTube

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Speaker 1: and it's at the Eastern State Penitentiary. Is it penitentiary

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Speaker 1: or penitentiary?

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Speaker 3: I just in there say it with an accent, and

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Speaker 3: then everyone will just think you're doing a bit penitentiary.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there we go.

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Speaker 2: Uh and uh.

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Speaker 1: This is which is in Philadelphia and it's like this,

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Speaker 1: that's one of those places that's like the ghost Hunting

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Speaker 1: shows love it. It's like completely spooky. What is this

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Speaker 1: ghost saying? Did you hear anything? There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: background noise, but yeah.

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Speaker 3: Saying do you believe in love?

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Speaker 2: Do you love?

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Speaker 1: I kinda hear that.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe in love?

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Speaker 1: You make it sound like.

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Speaker 3: This ghost before doing a yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: exactly that's what That's what it is. That was their

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Speaker 3: favorite song. What song is that? Isn't it Madonna?

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Speaker 2: Do you Believe in Love? It's express?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, express yourself?

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Speaker 1: Not to be my version Panda, express yourself. Okay, Well

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Speaker 1: here I'll give you some options. One of these is

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Speaker 1: what Spirit Girls on YouTube believes. It says, is it

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Speaker 1: a okay? Fears? B who can hear us? See look

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Speaker 1: at this? Or d let's go girls twain.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say who can hear us.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's what they believe. He'll played again.

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Speaker 3: I can hear us.

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Speaker 1: I think it could be that, or it could be

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Speaker 1: like you can hear us, like I don't know. Okay,

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Speaker 1: here's one more. This one is from Greg Seekly on

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Speaker 1: YouTube and it's at the tunnels at Fairview Training Center

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Speaker 1: in Salem, Oregon. And uh, what do you hear here?

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Speaker 1: You play it again? Do the splits? Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: these are like the best guesses I think I've ever had,

738
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Speaker 1: because it really does kind of sound like that. Okay, well,

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00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: it's one of these options. It's not that the splits

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Speaker 1: I love. It's like a drag queen's conscience as for

741
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Speaker 1: their life, like girl, it's not going well. Do the splits, girl,

742
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Speaker 1: Do the.

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Speaker 3: Splits, or it's a it's a critical drag queen in

744
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 3: the audience, like girl, the numbers is failing. Do the

745
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Speaker 3: split fucking wirw girl.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well here's uh, here's some options. Is it a

747
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: eat sandwich? Is it be she's a witch? C don't

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Speaker 1: be a snitch? Or d easy bitch? I'll play it again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna say she's a witch.

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Speaker 1: It is that's what they think she's a witch.

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Speaker 3: Which is what's funny to me is you said this

752
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Speaker 3: comes from Salem, Oregon, Like just all Salem's a witch, hubs,

753
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 3: you know, I know we only hear about Salem, Massachusetts.

754
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Speaker 3: But trust me, which is just love places named Salem?

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Speaker 1: I know it. Okay, Well, you know what, Jakes, You've

756
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: been so generous with your time. I think I think

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Speaker 1: that's about it.

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Speaker 3: But thank you, Ross. I really enjoy this. I normally

759
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 3: feel like really anxious when I go when I go

760
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: dark and share, share dark theories or or like really

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Speaker 3: out there, pretty out there concepts, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the place to do it. Like

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Speaker 1: everyone listening to this is either open to hearing different

764
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: ideas or they're just like fully on board, like so

765
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: like it's it's a safe space.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Are you What's I mean? What do you got coming

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00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: on and coming up in the new year? Where can

769
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: people find you?

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Speaker 3: The big things are? Everyone should go watch the Jinx

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00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 3: and Dala holiday special. You can watch it on Jinxondala

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Speaker 3: dot com.

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Speaker 1: Wait, I do have to warn you. I think I'm

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Speaker 1: a humbercent sure, but this might be like the first

775
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Speaker 1: week of the new year. I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 3: That's fine, that's fine, keep all of this in there.

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00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 3: It'll still be there, it'll still be available. And even

778
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 3: though we will be past Christmas, I mean, I used

779
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Speaker 3: to watch them up at Christmas Carol year round, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I know that there's Christmas year round, bitches.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I think these days, now that

782
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Speaker 3: we live in an era of binge watching television, you

783
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 3: get used to watching out of season Christmas episodes anyway,

784
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 3: So totally, I want to encourage everyone, even post Christmas,

785
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 3: to give our show a watch, because I'm so proud

786
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Speaker 3: of it. I'm normally the most critical of my own work,

787
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 3: and I have nothing critical to say about this because

788
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: because Dayla poured so much time and effort into perfecting this,

789
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 3: this film we created together. She spent countless hours working

790
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 3: with editors and and making sure that what we filmed

791
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 3: became the movie that we envisioned when we wrote it.

792
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Speaker 3: So I can't recommend this highly enough. If you like Christmas,

793
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Speaker 3: if you hate Christmas, if you like drag queens, if

794
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: you hate drag queens, none of that matters. It's a

795
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: good film, period, So go watch it. Chinksondala dot com

796
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: just the visuals alone, I'm fucking sold.

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Speaker 1: It's gorgeous.

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Speaker 3: Oh I'm so excited for you to see it. And

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Speaker 3: you can also purchase or listen to the soundtrack, which

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00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 3: is I mean, maybe the music is a little less

801
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 3: exciting post Christmas, but you know it'll be there waiting

802
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 3: for you next year. I have a Patreon page that

803
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 3: I'm running now, so I'm working weekly with my partner,

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Speaker 3: my best friend Kenny, and my videographer Liam Krug and

805
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 3: my comedy partner, Nick Sajoya. And my partner name is Michael.

806
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 3: I just realized I named everyone except for my partner.

807
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 3: But me and my partner Michael do music. Our band

808
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 3: name is Dink and Deedle, and so I'm doing sketches.

809
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 3: I have a podcast that's up there. You know, it's

810
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 3: just basically if you want to watch me do all

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Speaker 3: the crazy things I do to keep myself staying through

812
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Speaker 3: the pandemic, It's all on my Patreon and besides that,

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00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 3: you know, just follow me on my social medias and

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00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 3: just keep informed on all the fun and wacky ways

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Speaker 3: I spend my time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to Jinks Monsoon. I love drinks so much,

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00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: and you know, we just had Christmas Time and Jinks

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Speaker 1: and Benda La Crem made an appearance in the holiday

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Speaker 1: movie Happiest Season, which I loved, which was on Hulu.

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00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 1: They also had their own holiday special and I really

821
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Speaker 1: think that it's going to become a tradition to watch

822
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Speaker 1: those every single year because they have just completely created

823
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Speaker 1: something totally new in the world of drag for the holidays.

824
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: And just go check out Jinks. I mean, Jinx is

825
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: so cool and I'm so grateful that she took the

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Speaker 1: time to chat with me. She's not someone I get

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Speaker 1: to see that much or talk to, and I just

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed getting to get to know her a

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Speaker 1: little bit more So, if you want to hear even more,

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00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 1: go to patreon dot com. We've got a bonus clip

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Speaker 1: from last week where she's talking about drag during a pandemic,

832
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Speaker 1: and this week she is talking about her relationship getting

833
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Speaker 1: to know Joan Rivers a bit, and we talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about the ghost of Joan Rivers that some

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Speaker 1: people have reported seeing at a theater in New York.

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Speaker 1: Another reminder, I will be on the app called Stereo

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Speaker 1: Download he wherever you get app, and I will be

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Speaker 1: going live tonight at seven pm Pacific Standard time. Just

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Speaker 1: follow me at Roz dress Fales and you can join

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Speaker 1: a conversation with me. We can talk about spooky things,

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00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: or you can ask me things, or just share things

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Speaker 1: with me. Whatever. I'll be doing that for probably about

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Speaker 1: an hour, and then you know, we'll take it from there.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'll do it more, maybe I'll do it every

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Speaker 1: single night this week. I don't know. I got a

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Speaker 1: little bit of time. I enjoyed doing it, so we'll

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Speaker 1: start there and all the other things. Please rate the

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Speaker 1: that starts at just five dollars a month, and it

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Speaker 1: helps me so much in these wild times. We've got

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Speaker 1: our Facebook group ghosted by Roz dress Fales. I'm on TikTok, Instagram,

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Speaker 1: all the places at rozdress Fales. I will be back

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Speaker 1: next week with television paranormal star Amy Bruney of the

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Speaker 1: TV show Kindred Spirits on the Travel Channel. Go watch

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Speaker 1: the show if you've never seen it, because Amy knows

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Speaker 1: exactly what she's talking about, and she's going to be

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Speaker 1: talking about her new book, which is called Life with

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Speaker 1: the Afterlife Thirteen Truths I learned about ghosts and I

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Speaker 1: loved that book and I really get into it with her.

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Speaker 1: So it's part of the Robs Jrosephelets Book Club. Add

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Speaker 1: that one to it, and I hope you enjoy that.

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Speaker 1: So I will talk to you next week tonight on stereo,

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Speaker 1: but also next week. I love you all, both living

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Speaker 1: and dead. But if I didn't ask you to haunt me,

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Speaker 1: don't haunt me.

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Speaker 2: Came back st

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Speaker 3: A podcast network