1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: This podcast is presented by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals and your one stop shop for 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: optimizing all your office technology. Visit Pacific Office dot Com. 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it punt? Is it put? Oh my goodness, 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: it's put. DeAndre Hopkins, boy put it for dockdown. You've 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: gotta be joking me. Welcome to Cardinals Underground, presented by 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: the Pacific Office Automation. Visit Pacific Office dot Com. Problem solved, 8 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: up down Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces? 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there? Rights the latest news 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: and notes from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled 11 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, Bring 12 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: it on. Slammed the ground by Fota Baker like a torpedo. 13 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: He came flying into the backfield. I scared of nobody. 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: Here's Paul calvc Y. Look, I'm just gonna tell you 15 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: guys right off the top. At sure, there are plenty 16 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: of ready made excuses at this point in the calendar year. 17 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: Here we are post Super Bowl by a good week, 18 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: plus we don't even have a league year starting for 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: another month. There's no combine, at least traditionally, So a 20 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: lot of excuses, do you guys, just I mean, ready 21 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: made for you guys to lick the stamp and mail 22 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: in this edition to Cardinals Underground, brought to you by 23 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: Pacific Office Automation, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. But 24 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: no days off as a famous head coach, one set 25 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: at his own Super Bowl victory parade. No days off, 26 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: And if you guys are boring at any point, I 27 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: do reserve the right, Darren Urban and Kyloegard, consider yourselves 28 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: notified over here at Pauly Podcast that I have a 29 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: Johnny Manzelle story I'll go with don't make me because 30 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: I'll do it. I also have a Lebron story, and 31 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: this isn't even Lebron versus MJ. This might be even 32 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: worse in terms of dead filler time sports radio game 33 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: planning this time of year. So I hope you guys 34 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: are good and ready to discuss anything and everything that 35 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: pertains to the Cardinals beyond right now, Darren Well, to 36 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: be honest, you know, DeAndre Hopkins just put out on 37 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: his Instagram a picture, a photoshop picture of him hugging 38 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: jj Watt with both of them wearing Cardinals uniforms. So 39 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: there's always that we have breaking news on Cardinals underground. 40 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: Where's the sounder? Do we have a Jim Mhandro breaking 41 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: news sounder that we can budd in here? Kyle? What 42 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: are your sources telling you? For those who can't see 43 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: Kyle right now, he's actually on his phone, poll in 44 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: a schefter trying to figure this one out. A sources 45 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 1: that are telling me the photo is photoshop, so it's 46 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: not real yet. Clearly, DeAndre Hopkins wants jj Watt as 47 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: a teammate. I don't think he's in charge of the 48 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: salary cap and fitting everybody in. But we've seen this, 49 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: We've seen this story before a star player hits the market. 50 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: All other thirty one teams feel like, hey, we could 51 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: use jj Watt. Let's grab him, and who cares about 52 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: the repercussions. So I'm sure DeAndre Hopkins won't be the 53 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: first nor the last to tweet or instagram his support 54 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: of jj Watt and his He's gonna recruit as much 55 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: as he can, but we'll have to see what happens. 56 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: It's it is funny because there does seem to be 57 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 1: that flood whether JJ Watt at this point, but we've 58 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: seen it of other players before, when they get available 59 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it's like, hey, come here, 60 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: or a guy tweets out, hey, you should come over here. 61 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: Deandre's message was let's finish what we started, and it's 62 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: like that all sounds good, but none of those guys 63 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: have to juggle a salary cap or worry about how 64 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: much the guy is gonna cost or anything like that. 65 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: And for DeAndre, God bless him, he already got his 66 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: big contracts, so you know, what does he care with 67 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: A how much the Cardinals might spend or b if 68 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: he might want JJ Watt to maybe take a little less. 69 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, and one of the Watt brothers tweeted 70 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: out a photoshop Instagram picture of all three of them 71 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: in Steelers gear. Has anyone done that yet? In the 72 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: very beginning did a gift or something like basically a 73 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: hand motion saying come to Pittsburgh. So there's there's been 74 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: plenty of that. He probably has his brother's phone number 75 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: as well, so i'd assume he's chatting's ear off a 76 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: little bit. And Steelers make a lot of sense. Probably 77 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: a little bit more so than the Cardinals. Although the Steelers, 78 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: the Steelers don't have any cap room for much of anybody. 79 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: They certainly don't have them for their quarterback right now, 80 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know how easily that would 81 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: be done. J. J. Watt's got a place to stay 82 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh at least, you know, by the way, speaking 83 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: of Houston, did I hear correctly? And don't think that 84 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: because we're talking about the weather here, we have nothing 85 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: to talk about, because we just prove that otherwise moments 86 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: at all, with the breaking that Houston, for the first 87 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: time ever has experienced a wind chill like weather, windschill 88 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: readings like they've never had to resort to that in 89 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: their weather forecast ever before that. The Governor of Texas 90 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: is called this the winter version of Hurricane Harvey. That's 91 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: how extreme this winter Arctic blast is, the polar vortex, 92 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: if that's accurate in Houston. Did you guys you're there. Yeah, 93 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: My brother lives in Houston and he has a beach house. 94 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: So they were at the beach house on Sunday morning 95 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: and they were heading back to their house in Houston 96 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: because they didn't want to get stranded at the beach house, 97 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: not knowing what was going on. We've seen the power 98 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: outages and everything. So they got back home, but he 99 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: said it was going to be I think seven degrees 100 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: or five degrees, which I didn't even know it was 101 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: possible in Houston. But it's like it's subfreezing there. He says, 102 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: it snows usually once every five years in Houston, and 103 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: they just got throttled by that storm, and so did Dallas. 104 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say that he was shoveling 105 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: snow at his beach house. That's what I thought you 106 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: were could be. Yeah, I don't know how cold he 107 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: got there, but knowing how cold Houston was, they in Galveston. 108 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: It's only an hour or an hour and a half away, 109 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: so maybe they got some down there too. Well, look, 110 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: I know there's a huge four million plus people without power, 111 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: so I mean it's serious. When I lived in Michigan 112 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: and to my second job than Kazuo, that's what the 113 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: locals call Kalamazoo, biggest mistake in my life. We won't 114 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: go there, but I do remember losing power overnight and 115 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: waking up and it was about eight degrees and the 116 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: house had zero power and zero heat. I dealt with that. 117 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: We've all dealt with Arizona summers. Two of the last 118 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: three years it's hit one fifteen, plus we lost our 119 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: AC he Gossakala VC. So let's just say I wasn't 120 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: on the good side of my wife when our AC 121 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: went out and we had to deal with that. So yeah, 122 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: the extreme winter and summer weather events all, yeah, I 123 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: guess that'll fill the time in between the events going 124 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: on right now. But look, are we gonna did you 125 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: want to start talking climate change? Is that what we're 126 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: going post? And we could just turn this into you know, 127 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: I will say I was at a U sporting event 128 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: on Saturday night where I think it reached like forty 129 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: eight forty nine degrees and the family next to us 130 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: behind home plate broke out a propane heater, and that 131 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: was embarrassing. Honestly, you can't break out a propane heater 132 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: when it's around fifty degrees and you're watching a kids 133 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: sporting event. There was a grandmother came in from South 134 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: Dakota watch her grandson and kindly let those people know 135 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: there was negative twelve when she left South Dakota the 136 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: day before to come to Arizona so let's just refrain 137 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: from the propane heaters around here. We've got our reputation 138 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: to worry about in Arizona until we get down to 139 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: wind chill, Okay, that works for me. I mean, ultimately, 140 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: our blood is all, all of our bloods have finned 141 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: thinned out. I mean we all come well, Kyle's a 142 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: native here, but I mean I spent my time in 143 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: Alaska once upon a time, and Michigan, and you've been 144 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: in Michigan. So we've all done the cold weather stuff. 145 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: And my wife grew up in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. She's 146 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: pretty much done with all that. I'd rather, you know, 147 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: worry about. Hey, I need to light jacket over at 148 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: Postino's yesterday afternoon when we're having a couple of cocktails 149 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: on the patio. Well, one of the newest cardinals, I'm sure, 150 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: is looking at the new Jersey weather right now and 151 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: laughing and h and having a good time going out 152 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: in shirt sleeves and shorts and starting to get a 153 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: sense of what he has in the receiver room, and 154 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: that's receivers coach Sean Jefferson, Kyle, how about a few 155 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: takeaway scepter? He met the media here this week. Yeah, 156 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: I mean kind of some of the obvious stuff where 157 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: he's excited about DeAndre Hopkins, and I think he didn't 158 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: say too much about the young receivers. I think a 159 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: lot of people are looking at that and seeing what 160 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: he can do for an Andy Isabella, a Keyshawn Johnson, 161 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: a Christian Kirk. Those guys are pretty important to this 162 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: team next season. And we'll see if they add a 163 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: wide receiver in freedency in the draft and what the 164 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: depth chart looks like. But if Andy Isabella can somehow 165 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: blossom in his third season, that would be a big 166 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: move for this offense and for this team and his career. 167 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: And maybe Sean Jefferson can give him some input. I'm 168 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: a little bit wary from saying a different wide receiver 169 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: coach can have this humongous impact on a player. At 170 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: the end, I think it's very much about a player's talent. 171 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: Because Andy Isabella has the work ethic, He's in great shape, 172 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: he does everything at practice. I mean, he works hard. 173 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: It just hasn't totally clicked. But maybe Sean Jefferson can 174 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: give him a few little hints, and I think that's 175 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: the guy's gonna be watching this offseason is where can 176 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: Andy Isabella go? And also Christian Kirk kind of plateaued 177 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: this season can he reach that next height in his career? 178 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: How would you prioritize his job tasks right now? Darren? 179 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: Role play for us? All right? A little dramatic reenactment 180 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: of perhaps his meeting with Steve Come and Cliff Kingsbury 181 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: and they sit him down and they say, coach, here's 182 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: your receiver room. We're ranking your priorities as such, one, two, three. 183 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: What would you say their response was to him? What 184 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: do you think his directive is? Well, I would be 185 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: at this point stunt and we don't again, we don't 186 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: know what kind of direction they might be willing to 187 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: go in in terms of free agency and or draft. 188 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: But with the lineup that we're talking about right now, 189 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: I mean, how is your number one priority? Not Andy 190 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: Isabella at this point and potentially Christian Kirk maybe a 191 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: distant second. I mean, you're talking about two second round 192 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: draft picks over your past number of years that when 193 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: you're spending that higher picks, you you're really hoping for 194 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: the production. And again, Christian Kirk has flashed at times 195 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: to the point where it feels like he's got that ability. 196 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: It just hasn't completely come together, whether it's injuries or whatever. 197 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,599 Speaker 1: And Andy Isabella obviously hasn't done much of anything. I 198 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: think it's got to start there. I mean, I don't 199 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,599 Speaker 1: know if there's much that Sean Jefferson really brings to 200 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: the table with DeAndre Hopkins. It doesn't mean that DeAndre 201 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: Hopkins doesn't need coaching, but he's pretty much hit that level. 202 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: And so now it's a question of what can you 203 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: do with some of these younger guys. And it really 204 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: fills in if they do decide to draft the guy, 205 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: because then whether or not Andy Isabella, for instance, ever 206 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: comes around, you are bringing in another young receiver or 207 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: you probably will. And then the question beyond that is, 208 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: you know, does he have any influence maybe over a 209 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: free agent receiver they might want to have. He he 210 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: did say that when he's just starting the process of 211 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: evaluating the guys they had over here already, like Andy Isabella. 212 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: That's why he couldn't say much on him. And the 213 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: reason for that is because he's spending been spending all 214 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 1: this time evaluating the potential free agent receivers, which I 215 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: think all coaches are going to do that. But I 216 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: do think there's something to that because I think there's 217 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: going to be some decent receivers on the market. I 218 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: do think that's an area where the Cardinals might look 219 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: to in free agency. Well, the latest mock draft says 220 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 1: the Cardinals are growing. Oh line, so Daniel Jeremiah two 221 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 1: point zero says the top three receivers will all be 222 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: gone by the Cardinal time. The Cardinals picked number sixteen, 223 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: so they go line, the top three corners will be gone. 224 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, there Look, there's a lot of availability in 225 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: terms of free agent receivers, a lot more names than 226 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: I realized when you take a look at the group 227 00:11:55,840 --> 00:12:01,599 Speaker 1: that could possibly be had come March seventeen. I just 228 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: when you look at Sean Jefferson, he's coached generational talent 229 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: and Calvin Johnson, so he's checked that box. With DeAndre Hopkins, 230 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: he was asked about de hop in his practice. Habits 231 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: said he wasn't aware that de hop wasn't a regular 232 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: at Cardinals practices throughout the year. We'll see what that 233 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: means and how that develops. I would say, though, as 234 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: important as Andy Isabella is and the fact that Andy 235 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: Isabella essentially was a healthy scratch at times this past season. 236 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: That development of a number two receiver and Christian Kirk, 237 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: to me is right up there with Andy Isabella and 238 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: trying to get Christian Kirk to that level where he 239 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: can be considered a number two receiver because if not 240 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: going into his contract year, you don't take a guy 241 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: at that point in the second round Kyle a few 242 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: years ago, and then a him penciled in to be 243 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: a number three receiver on a contract extension. You just don't. 244 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: And so I think the future every bit as much 245 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: of Christian Kirk as a Cardinal hangs in the balance 246 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: as Andy Isabel. Hell yeah, I think obviously Christian Kirk 247 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: has done much more for the Cardinals production wise and 248 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: Andy Isabella, and at this point he's a much more 249 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: refined receiver, a better receiver. But you're right, it seemed 250 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: like he was tracking toward high end number two status, 251 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: especially in training camp this year. I remember saying I 252 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: thought Christian Kirk and DeAndre Hopkins would both get one 253 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: thousand yards receiving. And Christian Kirk, for you know, about 254 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: the first half of the season or so, had some 255 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: pretty big games, was maybe not totally on track, but 256 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: still eight nine hundred yards and he really fell off late. 257 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: So I don't know if there were certain things going on, 258 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: if he's just not a perfect outside receiver because of 259 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: his height, because he doesn't have that truly elite speed 260 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: to get behind people. So we could see what happens 261 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: if he does go into the slot or if he 262 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: mixes and matches. I think he's a valuable piece, whether 263 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: it's with the Cardinals next season or somebody else. And 264 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: already talking two years down the line and this hypothetical, 265 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: but I still think he's a starting wide receiver who 266 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,599 Speaker 1: you can use in a variety of ways. So I 267 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 1: think he's important. But you're right, Paul, is he a 268 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: number two receiver? And if he is, he's going to 269 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 1: get a pretty nice contract and free agency if he's 270 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: more of your number three slot guy, kind of the 271 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: Tavon Austin jack of all trades type player. That's not 272 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: a ten million a year type contract. So it's obviously 273 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: a big, big year for Christian Kirk individually, and just 274 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: to help the passing game, where we've talked so much 275 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: about what the Cardinals have to do offensively, they need 276 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: to get more efficient in the passing game. And I 277 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: think Christian Kirk is a big part of that. And 278 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: somewhere around the time of playing at the Phoenix Open 279 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: and then Pebble Beach, Sean Jefferson heard from Larry Fitzgerald 280 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: Darren do tell what do we know? We don't really 281 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: know much of anything at this point as usual. Jefferson 282 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: did say he shot him a text and to say 283 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: basically congratulations on the job. And Seanjefferson said that he's 284 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: hoping to be able to talk to Larry at some point, 285 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: but he is not into bothering players at this point 286 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: in the offseason because this is their downtime And the 287 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: vibe I got from Sean Jefferson when he was talking 288 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: about it was, Yeah, that conversation could very well take place. 289 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: But my guess is Sean Jefferson's probably going to find 290 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: out about retirement about the same maybe not as the 291 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: same time as us, but after a few other people 292 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: in this organization. I'm guessing that you know, Michael Bidwell 293 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: and Steve Kim and Cliff Kingsbury will be the first 294 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: ones to know Larry Fitzgerald's decision of whether he's going 295 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: to come back or not, and then that information will 296 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: be disseminated to the rest of us in some way, 297 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: shape or form, but we still don't know. And to 298 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: be honest, guys, I mean, I feel like the longer 299 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: we go, it feels like that improves the chances of 300 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: Larry trying to play at least one more season, because 301 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: this is this is late for him. I mean, this 302 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: is the latest I think now at this point, or 303 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: pretty close to the latest that we've heard anything. I agree. 304 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: I was just about to pose a question, the true 305 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: or false. The longer we wait, the better the odds 306 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: are that the answer is Larry's coming back for an 307 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: eighteen season? True or false? Kyle, I'd say somewhere in between. 308 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if it matters, because, like 309 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: Darren said, it's been longer than it has the last 310 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: four years or whatever. But what happened to every single 311 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: other time he decided to come back, So I don't 312 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: think this is a barometer meaning he's more likely to 313 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: come back because it's taking longer. He decided to come 314 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: back quickly in some years, a little bit longer than 315 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: some others, But every single time it's been earlier than this, 316 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: and he did come back. So maybe he's just making 317 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: sure he wants to retire and not making a rash decision. 318 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that is the truth, but I could 319 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: definitely see it going either way still, and I don't 320 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: think it improves the chances of him coming back, just 321 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: because we're into mid February. Now, maybe he's waiting on 322 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: JJ Watt, you know, I don't know. Maybe you know, 323 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: maybe he's waiting to see if there's there's some sort 324 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: of news um or ad hop Instagram post exactly, you know, 325 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: So I just, uh, I don't know. I get the sense, 326 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: did he meet the media? By the way at Pebble? 327 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: Did he ever do a media session? Did you guys 328 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: see did he did he anybody love him? The proverbial 329 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: question where he's standing there with Bill Murray, I did 330 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: not see anything. And again, everything that he seems to 331 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: have answered at this point was he just didn't have 332 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: a decision. So, I mean, I think we're again. I 333 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: don't know if he knows at this point, which is why, um, 334 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: which is why we haven't heard anything. And to be honest, 335 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: I see where Kyle's coming from, and he's not wrong. 336 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Larry knows that once he says he's retiring, 337 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: he's done, and so you absolutely want to be sure. Now, 338 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: I will say this, I think the reason it's maybe 339 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: maybe it's not improving the chances he's coming back necessarily, 340 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: But I do think that I think the length of 341 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: time does underscore the fact that he is seriously thinking 342 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 1: about hanging it up at this point, and he does 343 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: want to give heavier thought to it. And if you 344 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: continue to think, do I really want to do this, 345 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: then within that prism, I think you could say, well, 346 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: maybe it does. It does improve, however, incrementally the chances 347 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: that he comes back, because I do think it feels 348 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: like and Paul, we've talked about this before. It feels 349 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: like the vibe at the end of the season was 350 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: he was probably done, and so it makes sense that 351 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: he's going to want to really give it a lot 352 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: of thought. And either way, I understand where he might 353 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: go with it. But there's there's a lot involved here. 354 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: I mean, if he decides, Okay, I'm coming back, does 355 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 1: that legitimately change what this team might do it wide receiver, 356 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: do they say, well, you're you're close enough to the end, 357 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: we've got to be looking forward to the future. And 358 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: if so, and they get a whether a free agency 359 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: or the draft that is high up enough. Does that 360 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: push Larry Fitzgerald's role into a more diminished part where 361 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: he even wants to be there in the first place. 362 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: I mean, there's all these things he's got to start 363 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: juggling at this point. Two thoughts. One, could he possibly 364 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: be waiting along with a team on the official salary 365 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: cap figure a guy who's made his jersey number the 366 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: last number of years. That's not feasible, doable, or plausible. 367 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: But what sort of haircut is Larry going to take 368 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: in terms of his eleven million dollars salary? And is 369 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: that predicated on what that official final number is? And 370 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: is that contingent upon these media deals that are hanging 371 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: in the balance to some degree, even though they don't 372 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: kick in later, teams might be willing to spend a 373 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: little more or make certain accommodations down the line and 374 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: restructure things accordingly that they'll have to account for later 375 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: if they know these media right deals are in place. 376 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: So I wonder, if it's purely the business of football 377 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: right now, if I'm gonna play, how much am I 378 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: gonna make number two? I would say this much as 379 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: as far as Larry goes as, I totally lost my thought, Kyle. 380 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: So if you had something to throw in at the 381 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: very moment, what exactly I'll say here? I got the 382 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: lifestab right here. I think the fit business idea would 383 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: be totally fits. Where he's gonna tell you, Hey, if 384 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: it's one hundred and eighty five million, I'll play for 385 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: x amount, but if it goes up, I get a 386 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: percentage of the cap after that. That would be a 387 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: definite fits business move And that would be fantastic if true. 388 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: And but you're right, I mean, can he still get 389 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: eleven million dollars at this point? Probably not, But we 390 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: all know how much he means to this franchise and 391 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: he's gonna get more than the production would say. So 392 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: where is that? Where do you meet between team and player? 393 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: And I mean, Fitz has a lot of leverage because 394 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: of who he is, because of what he means to 395 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: this team in this state, And it's an interesting negotiation 396 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: for sure. Hey, I mean the guys on the board 397 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: of directors for Dick Sporting Goods and he's a part 398 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: owner of an NBA team. Okay, So he's been his way, 399 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: he's been around the business table and dealings before. Here's 400 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: what I was going to offer earlier, and it slipped 401 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: my mind. It goes back to two weeks ago on 402 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage. Antoine Bethet was our guests, former 403 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: cardinal fourteen years in the NFL, just recently filed his 404 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: papers and made it official he retired. Wolf asked him, 405 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: why what made you decide? What was the catalyst to say, 406 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: you know what I'm done? And he said, it wasn't 407 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: the season itself. He said, when you get to September, 408 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: that's great. You can make it week to week. You 409 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: got games to prepare for. The adrenaline is flowing, you 410 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: enjoy playing in the games. It's February through August. It's 411 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: do I want to put in all the commitment to 412 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: staying in shape and all the OTAs Now obviously that's 413 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: going to be reduced and different. It looks like another 414 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: pandemic affected offseason. But it's training and stay in shape 415 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: and then training camp. He said, that's how you know 416 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: when you don't have the willingness to do the off season, 417 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,479 Speaker 1: that tells you that you don't have another playing season 418 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: in you. That's what it came down to for him, 419 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: That's what he's told by a number of guys, and 420 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: I wonder if Larry's still trying to make that decision. 421 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: Do I have it in me? Do I really want 422 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: to start training again and go through all the off 423 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: season prep? And I think that's a fair question, especially 424 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: when you start talking about let's put the money aside 425 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: for a minute. If you're going to do all this 426 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: work and then you feel like maybe you aren't targeted 427 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: quite as much as you should be, you know, is 428 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: it worth that trade off? I will I will say that. 429 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: I mean Kurt Warner said the same thing, and it 430 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: wasn't the physical part of the training, but the mental 431 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: part that really drove Kurt out, saying I just mentally 432 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: I was burned out having to do it. So that's 433 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: also part of it. It's funny. I love Antoine Pathety, 434 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 1: he's a great guy. But the other thing too, which 435 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: kind of rings back of my head. I mean, antoinathey 436 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: didn't play in twenty twenty. He retired now and I'm 437 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: sure he didn't want to. I'm sure he was looking 438 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: for a job this past year and team said, yeah, 439 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: we don't want you anymore. It's past your time. That's 440 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: one reason why he probably retired is because nobody wanted him. 441 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: And it makes me think, and I love antoin Bathey. 442 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't take that as a rep like 443 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: he'd ever hear it. But I think with Larry, here's 444 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 1: a guy who I've heard say to me multiple times, 445 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: you want to be able to retire before they retire you. 446 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: And he's in a position right now where he can 447 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: still make that call. And you don't want to be 448 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: in a position where you're Jerry I mean Jerry Rice, 449 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: greatest fativer of all time. He was retired by the NFL. 450 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: His last game, The last time he ever appeared in 451 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: a uniform was with the Denver Broncos in a preseason 452 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: game in the fourth preseason game at Sun Devil Stadium, 453 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: and he was playing in the fourth quarter. And after 454 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: that game was over, I think the writing was on 455 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: the wall and he said, Okay, I'm done. You don't 456 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: want Larry Fitzgerald to be, you know, in a position 457 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 1: where and this team would never do that to him. 458 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: And Jerry Rice was in a different spot where he 459 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: had already played for three other teams beyond the forty 460 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: nine ers, and and that's that's the deal. Is he 461 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: meant different to those that the forty nine ers than 462 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: he did to the other teams, and fits means something different, 463 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: So that would never happen here the preseason part of it. 464 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: But you know, you don't want to get to the 465 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: point where again they're retiring you rather than the other 466 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: way around, and that can make for difficult decisions too. 467 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: So I think all of these things gets stuffed and 468 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: fits his head when he's thinking about this. Was that 469 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: two thousand and five? Was that preseason game two thousand 470 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: and five? Do you happen to remember if you know 471 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: what I remember about the Broncos preseason sun Devil Stadium 472 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: Worth game? The one and only time I've ever been 473 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: drilled on the sideline. It was back before I did 474 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,239 Speaker 1: the pregame show, and I was standing there an hour 475 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: before kickoff, and I'm talking to someone on the sideline 476 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: and I'm off the sideline and some backup quarterback who 477 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 1: didn't make the team for the Broncos skipped an outpassed 478 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: and it went off the turf at one hundred miles 479 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: an hour and hit me square in the side of 480 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: the head. I got earhold without a helmet on and 481 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: you have to maintain your composure like no, I didn't hurt, 482 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: and you're just and I'm gritting my teeth and I'm 483 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: talking to a few people on the side like no worries, 484 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: I'm good, and I'm walking. In the back of my head, 485 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: I'm thinking I need concussion protocol. Oh boy, okay, So 486 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: two things off of that one put check. You're right. 487 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: That was two thousand and five. So Jerry Rice's last 488 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: game and your fourthday happened on the same day. Jerry 489 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: Rice probably missed that ball and that's what he knew 490 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: he had to retire. I will say I did briefly 491 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 1: look up. Jerry Rice could have been on that les roster, 492 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: but they were going to make him the fourth or 493 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: fifth receiver and he didn't want to do that. And 494 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: again that's something like I'm not saying that's what the 495 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: Cardinals would do with fits, but it's something that's got 496 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: to play in his head. But going back to your story, 497 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: I can't help but think training camp twenty ten, twenty eleven. 498 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: Somewhere in there, the Cardinals had a we're still in 499 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: Flagstaff and the Cardinals had a equipment in turn and 500 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: there was a break in the action, and the quarterbacks 501 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: were down on the lower field. You remember the lower field, 502 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: Paul at Nyu and huge crowd. They were ringing the 503 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: field and on that the goalposts on the far end 504 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: of the lower field, like nearest the sky dome. The 505 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: quarterback decided they were going to play a game where 506 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: which I don't really understand the point of it, but 507 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: they were trying to hit the one of the goal posts. Okay, 508 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: so it's training camp. Their quarterbacks, they're bored, they don't point, 509 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: they'll do whatever they want. Go ahead. So if you 510 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: recall also that the fence that held the fans back 511 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: wasn't that far back of the end zone there, and 512 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: they had this equipment manager behind the goal post to 513 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: catch the ball in case it didn't hit the goal post. 514 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: So you know, fans weren't going to get hit. But 515 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks were going a little faster than he was ready. 516 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: Somebody threw one and he was turning to pick it up, 517 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: and as he turned back around, John Skelton took his 518 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: turn threw it about one hundred miles an hour, like 519 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: a stone skipping off the grass. And I don't he 520 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: couldn't have aimed at any better than into this guy's groin, 521 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: and so in front of one hundred and fifty people, 522 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: two hundred people that were watching this thing, he just 523 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: he caught this thing square point right where you don't 524 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: want it and just doubled over in pain. It was 525 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: the worst down the fan. That's uh, yeah, he's lucky. 526 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: That's pre where everything was on video that would have 527 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: gone viral in an instant. Yeah, I did get a 528 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: photo of it. I think I was taking pictures and 529 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: I hadn't. Interviewing him later for like a blog post. 530 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: He was quite proud of it. I think he said 531 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: Rex Chapman would have got two million views off that's 532 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: what it would have happened on that one. Oh my gosh. Yeah, 533 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: well all right, I didn't mean to derail all this, 534 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: but that was a story that needed to be told, Paul. 535 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: That probably makes it feel better, Paul. At least years 536 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: was just in the face. It's true. Well, okay, and 537 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: you know, once it's it's it's like that stone off 538 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: the lake or the river. You know, it skips it 539 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: seems to pick up all of us. Yeah, you know, 540 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: sometimes you're better off. This didn't taking it on the fly, 541 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: So I don't know what the physics are behind that. 542 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: That's just what it seems like. But you know what 543 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: that story actually is our segue, Thank you, Darren. Speaking 544 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: of fans, did you guys see what Kenyan Drake tweeted out? Kyle, 545 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: what's the year? I have it in front of me. 546 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: This is Kenyan Drake tweeting about missing crowds and how 547 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: maybe it made a difference, a big difference quote. And 548 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: this is Kenyan Drake now thinking about something random. But 549 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: the best game we had as a team last year 550 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: was on the road against the Cowboys with fans in 551 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,719 Speaker 1: the stadium wasn't full, but the atmosphere was infectious. Hopefully 552 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: we can bring back fans in this safe capacity next season. 553 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: Football missed you, guys. So the question here on the 554 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground brought to you by Pacific Office Automation prop 555 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals and the words of Stephen Colbert, 556 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: or the great American philosopher. You know what that means? 557 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: Probably something? What exactly does that mean? Kyle? Yeah? I 558 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean it's I think that obviously believe 559 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: in anything but numbers. Yeah, there's something I mean, playing 560 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: in front of a full stadium is obviously more exciting 561 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: and more fun, But does one team benefit more than 562 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: the other. It's to me it's happenstance that the Cardinals 563 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: played their best game in the season in front of fans. 564 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: I think if Dak Prescott was in that game, even 565 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: though fans are there, do you still dominate? I mean, 566 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: you played a backup quarterback. So to me, that's a 567 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: bigger deal than having fans there. I mean, I think 568 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: the atmosphere of having fans is obviously great, and anymore 569 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 1: we can get next season will be better. The biggest 570 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: takeaway I took from it was the lack of home 571 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: field advantage in twenty twenty because there was no crowd, 572 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: because the officials didn't tend to favor the home team 573 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: because of the crowd. And there's there are definitely data 574 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: points that say not having fans was a big deal 575 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: for this season. I'm just not sure that it benefits 576 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: the road team or the home team, or or you know, 577 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: vice versa, because there are fans in the stands. So 578 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: I guess I'll just take an incomplete on trying to 579 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: have a hot take on that one. So I gotta 580 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: I have to go here though. I'm not saying advantage 581 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: or not. I mean I feel like and I know 582 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: Ron Wolfley would have a coronarya just considering this, But 583 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: there are guys who are influenced and or motivated by 584 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I mean, you are, and I 585 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: just I feel like guys. I think some guys do 586 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: play harder in those instances. I can't quantify it, I suppose, 587 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: but I do think there are guys that it benefits 588 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: from the standpoint of their energy level isn't where it 589 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: should be. And we can talk all day about them 590 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: being pros and that shouldn't matter, but I mean, they're 591 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: human beings. But did this season end up? I mean, 592 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: if we entered the season and you said the Chiefs 593 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: and the Bucks were in the Super Bowl and Patrick 594 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: Mahomes was going to be an MVP candidate and Aaron Rodgers, like, 595 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: to me, this wasn't an outlier season. Like the best 596 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: teams in the beginning of the year that we projected 597 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: were pretty much there at the end. I didn't see 598 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: a lot of crazy outlier things happening, Like Derrick Henry 599 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: was still a great running back, and your star receivers 600 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: are still your star receivers. So I didn't. I didn't 601 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: notice anything out of the ordinary because of this big change, 602 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: which it was. But I think it basically affected every 603 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: team the same. Well if Kenyan Drake saying it though, 604 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: and we can argue whether Kenyan Drake had I mean, 605 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: I even Kenyan Drake said he wished we had a 606 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: better season. I mean, is it possible that that impacted him? 607 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: So now I'm not sitting here and saying the blocking 608 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: up front wasn't more important or whatever it might be. 609 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: But and some of this too for me, is it 610 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: goes back to the person. You might be right, Kyle, 611 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: there might be nothing that actually changes, But if the 612 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: perception of Kenyan Drake or other players is that it 613 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: makes it difference, then to me it makes a difference. 614 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: Well that's their perception, at least to them. All right, 615 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: So two points, and I'll try and remember both of 616 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: my points this time without failing. Epic if you forget 617 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: halfway through. Yeah, number one note to self, I should 618 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: have learned by now if I ever have one of 619 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: these fan or intensity urgency or these ethereal questions, never 620 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: go to Kyle. Always go to number two. Maybe it's 621 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: a case by case, player by player, team by team bassis, 622 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: if you're talking about Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady, guys 623 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: who have been there and done that and are going 624 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: to prepare the same way for every single game. A 625 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is coming off as Super Bowl and as 626 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: they're just incredibly talented, they can play in third gear 627 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: and still win games and blow out fashion. But if 628 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: you're talking about a young Cardinals team for the most part, 629 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: that's trying to get back to the tradition of winning 630 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: coming off seasons where they've won three and five games 631 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: and they're still trying to figure that out. And once again, 632 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: to me, it's not only is it Kenyan Drake, but 633 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury said it a number of times through the season. 634 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: I just looked it up because I wanted to confirm 635 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: my recollection. But if you remember after the Week four 636 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: loss of Carolina, and we all were prone to blame 637 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 1: it it on no Buddha Baker, but afterwards Clip Kingsbury 638 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: said flat out and I quote, we didn't match their intensity. 639 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,720 Speaker 1: And if you guys remember right here in Cardinals Underground 640 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: in between Week four and Week five, we all feared 641 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: the worst, thinking, oh no, they're going to play the 642 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: New York Jets, and the Jets are desper because they're 643 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: winless and they're gonna be in a MetLife stadium with 644 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: eighty thousand empty seats. Was zero urgency and intensity and 645 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: atmosphere and the dreaded ten am kickoff, and we all 646 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: feared that. Now, the Cardinals obviously got to win there, 647 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: and they got on a bit of a winning streak, 648 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: but it was very real at multiple moments during this 649 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 1: past season where we kicked it around and it wasn't 650 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: some media creation or fabrication. It was players in the 651 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: head coach who cited it. We're gonna have to rewind 652 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: time and listen to those because I think it is 653 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: a media creation. Like in the season opener in San Francisco, 654 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: there's fans, you're going against the reigning NFC champions. That 655 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: wasn't an issue. Like there have been plenty of times 656 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: in the season where the Cardinals looked fantastic when they 657 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: were not fans, and there are plenty of games where 658 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 1: they didn't. But that's the ebbs and flows of a 659 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: season that happened in twenty nineteen and twenty eighteen and 660 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen and twenty sixteen, like that just happens in 661 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,919 Speaker 1: the NFL. Is there a certain team you can point 662 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: to that tremendously benefited from not having fans or was 663 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: tremendously hurt if you look at their record, or is 664 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: it more tied to how their quarterback played in injuries. 665 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: To me, it's just it just felt like a standard season, 666 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: like the teams that did well had really good quarterback 667 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 1: play or really good defenses, and it didn't tie to 668 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: this energy and urgency type theme. I mean, if you 669 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: want a media creation and media fabrication, I'll give you 670 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: one right now. There we go. How about Week sixteen? 671 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,919 Speaker 1: The Cardinals come out like they did against the nine 672 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: Ers and they're underwhelming. Obviously, if the house is full 673 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: and they're getting booed, is that a kick in the rear? 674 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: Is that the kick in the tailpad that gets them 675 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: going and gets them into gear. Because I'll tell you 676 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: what there have been There's been more than one instance 677 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: over the years, and there's one in particular, and I 678 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 1: can't remember what game it was, but I do remember 679 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: the Cardinals came out and they were underperforming, and they 680 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: started booing, and Ken Wizzenant reacted he ripped off his 681 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: headset to make sure he was hearing it right, and 682 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: that cheesed him off. He went up and down the 683 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: sideline and use that, Hey, your home fans are booing you. 684 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: And he was screaming at guys, do you hear that? 685 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: And guys are of like, okay, you know, sort of 686 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: that urgency thing kind of kicked in and they had 687 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,919 Speaker 1: a much better second half. So I'm just I throw 688 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: that out there once again. We get back to this 689 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: wall that we always hit on Cardinals underground. You know, 690 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: to me, players are human. You can't go ahead and 691 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: grate everyone just based on numbers. None of us does. 692 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: Our absolute bad or brings are absolute utmost on the job. 693 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: Every single day. Football is their job. There's gonna be 694 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: better days than others, better moments than others. Over the 695 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: course of a game. The NBA and the fourth quartering 696 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 1: teams turn it on. And Lebron got down twenty two 697 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,320 Speaker 1: to two the other night and then they figured it 698 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: out and they won by twenty. So these things happen. 699 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: They're human beings, So I tend to err on that side. 700 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: And honestly, if there were fans in the stands of 701 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: some of these games. I'd love to see how the 702 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: Cardinals would have reacted. For example, in Seattle, They've done 703 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: it more than once, beating off those fans. They didn't 704 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: have that this year. Now, was that a factor in 705 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: the loss? I can just tell you it was a 706 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: factor in the wins over the last few years, and 707 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,959 Speaker 1: when they did win at Seattle. I mean, I don't 708 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: you know again, I see, I see where Kyle is 709 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: coming from. I see where you're coming from, Paul, I 710 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: tend to lean a little bit more towards you. I 711 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 1: do think that has an issue, But I understand where 712 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: comes from them, and it is it's hard to quantify, 713 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: and you know, so I kind of get that. But 714 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: I think we'll all agree that whether it makes a 715 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: big difference or not, it sucks not having them there. 716 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: I think it does take away from the aesthetic of 717 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: the game for sure. By the way, remember earlier I 718 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: threatened if we had a bad moment that I transition 719 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 1: to one of my stories. Well, that was my fault 720 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: right there. I left you guys hanging with nothing to 721 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: respond to. So I'm gonna put it on myself. I'm 722 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,359 Speaker 1: now going to bring up the lebron headline that news 723 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: this week. What you do in sports talk radio in 724 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: a February and you've got Jack to the squad to 725 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: talk about you bust out Lebron versus MJ. How about this? 726 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: How about the Lebron would have played in the NFL 727 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: during the NBA lockout twenty eleven. Do you see where 728 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: he was quoted so you can start have made the 729 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: team and that he had offers to work out and 730 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: try out by both the Cowboys and the Seahawks. Mina 731 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: Kimes once tweeted, if you had to have a whole 732 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: team of the same player, who would it be? And 733 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: I think her answer was Cam Newton, which is a 734 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: pretty good answer, because you need lineman and quarterback and receivers. 735 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,360 Speaker 1: Maybe Patrick Peterson would be an option. But I replied 736 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: to her and I said, Lebron. I feel like, even 737 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: though he's a basketball player, you give me eleven Lebrons 738 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: on the field. Like he's six seven or whatever. He's 739 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: a great offensive lineman, he can run. I don't know 740 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: if he can throw, but you can just run the 741 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: triple option. But I for one would have loved to 742 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: see Lebron in the NFL. Or I mean, he would 743 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: have been an All Pro that athletic skill set. You 744 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 1: gave him an off season. I guarantee you whether tight 745 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: end or where do you want to play him, linebacker, 746 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: edge rusher, whatever you want to do with him. That 747 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,959 Speaker 1: dude was gonna be an All Pro NFL player. What's 748 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: funny is you talk about whether he can throw. One 749 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: of the embedded videos in that story for The Athletic 750 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: included a shot at him throwing a pass, and he 751 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 1: looked like he had a better arm than whoever they 752 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 1: had playing quarterback. I'd love to see Lebron in the 753 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: NFL because for once and for all, nobody in that 754 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: locker room could say they're the best basketball player on 755 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: the team. You know, it was sort of like it 756 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: was so like when MJ went to play minor league baseball. 757 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: None of those guys could walk around and say I'll 758 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: take anyone in hoops because I was a star in 759 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: high school hoops. And then, no, there's none of that, 760 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 1: there's none of that conjecture, there's none of that trash 761 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: doc because guess what over in locker number eighteen over 762 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,800 Speaker 1: there is Lebron James. And so you know we're not 763 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: gonna have that. We by the way, I gotta get 764 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: in the mandatory. Manzell. Come on now, Johnny Manzell played 765 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: in his first football game since he was what the 766 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: Memphis Express of the AF or whatever twenty nineteen. I 767 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: have no idea what this is. The fan controlled Football 768 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: League and Johnny Manzel at seven on seven. It's indoors. 769 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 1: It's like an arena field. And he went one of 770 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: five passing for eleven yards, none at all, sixty seven 771 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 1: yards at a touchdown. Wait, wait, who who was he 772 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 1: playing for and who they play against? Okay, so he 773 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: was playing for he was playing for the Zapps. Okay, 774 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,800 Speaker 1: Zappers lost to the Beasts. Well let me stop you 775 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,479 Speaker 1: right there, Paul, because I think we've talked about this before. 776 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,439 Speaker 1: The defense to the Beasts is really good. So yeah, 777 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: good secondary one for fun. Well, the reason I was 778 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: alerted to this is because he stole my quote. Every Friday, 779 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: I used to use the quote win or lose, we 780 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: still booze, and then I go into the weekend. Well, 781 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: his postgame quote after the game was because somebody sent 782 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 1: this to me. Hey, good start, even with the loss, 783 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 1: you know, win or lose, we booze. I'm the Zappers. Oh, 784 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 1: Johnny man's own. Oh that's awesome. That's called hitting rock 785 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: bottom right there. No, that's called accepting, uh, accepting who 786 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: you are at this point and enjoying it. I'm proud 787 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 1: of him for saying that, doing that. That's awesome. Yeah. 788 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: Well so there was that, and then there was the 789 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,919 Speaker 1: moment where I looked at the headline and I said 790 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 1: to myself, wait a minute. Do you see the headline 791 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,879 Speaker 1: where they said all pro Sanders accepts twenty two million 792 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 1: dollars contract extension with the Dolphins. And I sat there 793 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 1: racking my brain at the headline, there's an All Pro 794 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:09,760 Speaker 1: player on the Dolphins, Sanders Sanders. I'm like, what, Colonel Sanders, Sanders, 795 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 1: what who? And turns out it's Jason Sanders, the kicker. Hey, 796 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know it was an All Pro And b 797 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: they gave him twenty two million dollars ten million on 798 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: a four year deal. To the kicker, he looked like 799 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 1: an All Pro when he kicked against the Cardinals this year. 800 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: Yeah he did. You're right, you're absolutely didn't he kick 801 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 1: the fifty five year old or eight before the end 802 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: of the half or something like that, right, Yeah, So 803 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: there you go. I hate to do it. I threatened 804 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: to bring out those stories, so you know we had 805 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 1: to bust him out. By the way, what did you 806 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: guys think of the Daniel Jeremiah mock draft that has 807 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: them take us. I've seen this before. Have we not 808 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: taken the USCO lineman Elijah Vera Tucker if I'm pronouncing 809 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: that correctly, usc kid, And he played a guard and tackle, 810 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,240 Speaker 1: which always reminds me of the old Arnell Deckt docket 811 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 1: rip job on the Big Red Rage when he said, yeah, 812 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: Paul played football guard and tackle, guard the gatorade bucket 813 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: and tackle anyone who gets near it. So Doc had 814 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: written me with that phrase back in the day, so 815 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 1: that's not always think of. When I see a prospect 816 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,840 Speaker 1: who plays both guard and tackle, it brings back the 817 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,279 Speaker 1: pain I experienced on my radio. Yeah, I think this 818 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,720 Speaker 1: guy might be a little bit more legit than you. Football. 819 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 1: We'll have to maybe do a little combine and see 820 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: how you guys match up. You can you can mention 821 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: your face can handle getting hit with a football. I 822 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 1: can take a hit. I can definitely take a hit. 823 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,319 Speaker 1: You don't want my measurables though, I'll tell you that much. 824 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not stepping on the scale nor the height, 825 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 1: and there'll be no vertical I will not participate. I 826 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: did think interior offensive line would make sense. I mean, 827 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: it seems like wide receiver or if Kyle Pitts the 828 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,800 Speaker 1: tight end somehow was there, that makes a lot of 829 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 1: sense to me too. Obviously we've talked about cornerback, edge 830 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 1: rusher I think would be in the mix, but interior 831 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 1: o line. You look at what they have and the 832 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: possibility of possibly upgrading in one of those three positions, 833 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: or if you need a right tackle. We don't really 834 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 1: know what Josh Jones is gonna look like moving forward. 835 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense to address the offensive line in 836 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 1: the draft. I'd probably be a little bit more surprised 837 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 1: if it came in the first round, but I don't 838 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 1: think it's out of the question, and they obviously we're 839 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: trying to get a sense of what they had the 840 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,360 Speaker 1: interioral line. I think the second half of the season 841 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,320 Speaker 1: when j R. Sweezy had his playing time alternated with 842 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 1: other players, including Max Garcias, sort of like we saw 843 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: the year before where Mason Cole was getting inserted both 844 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: center and guard at different times. By the way, there 845 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 1: was also the headline in the past week. The Cardinals 846 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: hired an assistant special teams coach, Devin Fitzsimmons from Vanderbilt 847 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:46,120 Speaker 1: obviously had a critical role. And Sarah Fuller and all 848 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,440 Speaker 1: those headlines there the first woman to play in a 849 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: Power five conference football game last year. But getting back 850 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 1: to Jason Sanders and kickers in general, Zane Gonzalez, Mike Nugent, 851 00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: and Andy Lee are all unrestricted free agents. Anyone got 852 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,360 Speaker 1: a gutfield, Darren, what's your expectation Will there be change 853 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to the Cardinals specialist this offseason? I 854 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 1: think that's a great question. Uh, you know, I think 855 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,400 Speaker 1: with Andy Lee it's something where you know, or does 856 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 1: he want to continue to play? Do they try and 857 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 1: find somebody else? I mean, I thought Andy Lee was 858 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,760 Speaker 1: relatively solid last year and it might be a position 859 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,200 Speaker 1: where they don't want to have to think about it 860 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 1: too much. Kickers a whole different ball of ax. I mean, 861 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,960 Speaker 1: I don't expect Mike Nugent around, But what do they 862 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: do as ing Gonzalez? Obviously he gets struggled on some 863 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,800 Speaker 1: big kicks, especially right before he got hurt. Then he 864 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,240 Speaker 1: got hurt. He's shown he can do it in this league, 865 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 1: but you know, can he do it as consistently as 866 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,800 Speaker 1: they want? It's it's a great question, and finding that 867 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,080 Speaker 1: guy is important. And if you decide not to go 868 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: as Ingnzoz, then exactly who are you going to go with? 869 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: What do you think, Kyle? I mean, at the very least, 870 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: does zing Gonzalez come back and he's on double secret 871 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: probation and they bring in a legitimate contender for the 872 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 1: job and training camp and they try and ratchet up 873 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,400 Speaker 1: the pressure for no other reason, then that's the closest 874 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,239 Speaker 1: you can get to replicating a real life game type 875 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,440 Speaker 1: situation and see how he reacts. Yeah, that's that's the 876 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 1: big question, right, Like I think we would all agree 877 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: that watching him, compared to Mike Nugent, zen Gonzal has 878 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 1: had the stronger leg he has more actual talent kicking 879 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,839 Speaker 1: the ball, But yeah, is there a mental block at 880 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 1: this point? Did having all those issues in clutch situations 881 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,880 Speaker 1: mess him up mentally? And are you going to know 882 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,600 Speaker 1: that in the offseason? So yeah, I mean, I feel 883 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 1: like you could get zen Gonzalez back at a pretty 884 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,719 Speaker 1: cheap price, and for his upside, it does make sense 885 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: to roll with him because he has a strong leg. 886 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: He's shown he can be accurate, and if he's in 887 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: a good mental space, he can be a good player 888 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,399 Speaker 1: for you. On the flip side, what happens if if 889 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 1: the mental issues remain and he's nervous on those clutch kicks, 890 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,440 Speaker 1: you can't have that. I think we've seen special teams. 891 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,640 Speaker 1: Um the long snapper I'm trying to remember named Cam 892 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,440 Speaker 1: Holiday or candidate. Yeah, I mean he kind of had 893 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 1: some mental blocks a couple of years ago and couldn't 894 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: snap very well. I think it's a it's a type 895 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 1: of position where mentally you can get a little bit 896 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 1: messed up. So I think Zan Gonzalez has to prove 897 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,280 Speaker 1: to them that he's he's right and he's doing well mentally, 898 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 1: And if so, then I think he still makes sense. 899 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: But I agree with you maybe maybe having a kicker 900 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,879 Speaker 1: competition or or looking elsewhere as well, that also makes 901 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,360 Speaker 1: sense to me where you want to have another option 902 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,480 Speaker 1: if you think that's the best way to go. Although 903 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,160 Speaker 1: it's funny you bring up Cam Canada who left here 904 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 1: and he's been in Pittsburgh for a few years now 905 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,120 Speaker 1: and he does a great job, and yeah, has he 906 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,399 Speaker 1: made a Pro Bowl if he hasn't made I think 907 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,759 Speaker 1: so so. I mean that's the thing I did not 908 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 1: know that. I that's some good knowledge right there, A 909 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 1: long snapper knowledge. See that. That's that's what you get 910 00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: here on Cardinal's underground. And he was the guy Week three, 911 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,680 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen at Buffalo that you could argue cost him 912 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:09,200 Speaker 1: that game. Yeah, and missed long is right. I mean 913 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,680 Speaker 1: there were several issues. One ended up in a turnover, 914 00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,080 Speaker 1: I believe. Yeah, And there was talk in the New 915 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,880 Speaker 1: England game when they lost on the last second field 916 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 1: goal that the snap wasn't perfect and then Captain Zero 917 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 1: missed that field goal to win the game they lost 918 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,560 Speaker 1: to the Patriots. And then the Bills game was Yeah, 919 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 1: it was pretty ugly. They had a bad snap, maybe 920 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,000 Speaker 1: return for a touchdown or something pretty bad. But Darren 921 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,440 Speaker 1: makes a great point. He rebounded and I think he's 922 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,560 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl long snapper. Now. So where is that 923 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,960 Speaker 1: line where you give somebody a second chance knowing he 924 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,560 Speaker 1: has talent, versus being worried about the bad case scenario 925 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,920 Speaker 1: of something going horribly wrong in a game, maybe costing 926 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,240 Speaker 1: you an outcome. So a very interesting discussion this offseason. 927 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 1: Maybe Jeff Rogers takes the lead on that because he 928 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 1: knows Zen Gonzalez really well, and they lean on him 929 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,240 Speaker 1: and say, what do you think, how is his mind frame? 930 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 1: And where do we go from here? In the audacity 931 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,239 Speaker 1: of former long time Cardinals long snapper Mike Leech to 932 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,759 Speaker 1: retire and then lose about fifty pounds. So even when 933 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:09,600 Speaker 1: they called him a month into the season to see 934 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,880 Speaker 1: if he was still available and interested, he weighed like 935 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,960 Speaker 1: a buck eighty and they're like, wait a minute, we 936 00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,319 Speaker 1: can't put you out in an NFL field. You're gonna 937 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 1: get dismembered. And so, you know, I mean, come on, Mike, 938 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,680 Speaker 1: you know, stay in game shape. What's going on? You 939 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 1: go to the East Coast and you actually start running 940 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,359 Speaker 1: marathons And he pulled like an Alan Fannaker or something 941 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,879 Speaker 1: and lost all these pounds. Like what's he doing? Who 942 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,560 Speaker 1: thought we were going to be talking so much long 943 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,879 Speaker 1: snapper today? That's right, you know, I mean, Brewer, where 944 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,759 Speaker 1: are you? All of Mike Leach's time is consumed by 945 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,480 Speaker 1: responding to people who erroneously think he's Mike Leach the 946 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,720 Speaker 1: football coach. Oh football coach. That's how you know? Anyway, 947 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, Well there you go. We got 948 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,440 Speaker 1: in the weather, we got in long Snapper talk, Johnny 949 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,920 Speaker 1: manziel lebron to the NFL, and then some actual Cardinals 950 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,960 Speaker 1: talk all in between. So I'm getting a nod from 951 00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,960 Speaker 1: Kyle and and of course we manage on a weekly base. 952 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,160 Speaker 1: This is where I get absolutely shot down for anything 953 00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,280 Speaker 1: that has to do with human condition around here, because 954 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,959 Speaker 1: Kyle isn't buying it. So no matter how often I try, 955 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,040 Speaker 1: I get faced. So there are robots are coming. Yep. 956 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 1: It was a complete and robust edition a Cardinals Underground, 957 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,840 Speaker 1: brought to you by a Pacific Office Automation proud partner 958 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,640 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. Where's the propane heater?