WEBVTT - How Werewolves Work 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.519 Brought to you by the all New Toyota Corolla. Welcome 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:14.040 to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:16.840 and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:19.920 w Chuck Bryant, and Jerry's over there, so it's stuff 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:24.920 you should have. Okay, I'm not gonna sing that song 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:28.720 what Werewolves in London? Oh that's not what I was doing. 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:34.360 What was up? Woman? No, it's an American werewolf in 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:38.159 London Werewolves of Londman by Warren z Evon. I never 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:42.520 get it into him me, neither or that song. Um. 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:43.839 I thought when I was young, I was like, oh, 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:45.800 that's for old people. And now I'm an old person, 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.559 I'm like, no, not for me. For you, You're like, 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:54.080 give me the band. Oh yeah, any day. So you 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:55.760 want to talk werewolves, You've got a good intro. You 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:58.960 got some spicy No. Um, I was bored, just gonna 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.680 talk about some of my face evorite werewolf movies. Well 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.120 we just talked about my favorite American werewolf in London. 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:07.720 It's pretty tough to top that one. It's great and 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.760 I watched the transformation scene again today and it still 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.840 holds up pretty well. In the day of c g U. 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:18.240 I think this looks pretty good. It was direct that's 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:21.800 John Landis joint, right, Yeah, and the legendary Rick Baker 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.600 did all the effects, you know. And that's the same team, 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:28.560 by the way, who worked on Michael Jackson's thriller video. Yeah, 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:32.120 his transformation was pretty good too. It was good, and 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:38.360 I think Rick Baker won. Rick Baker won the inaugural 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:42.520 Makeup Award Oscar Award that year, the very first one, 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:45.160 and some say they might have even created that award 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:49.680 because of that movie. It's like the Grammy for the disco. Alright, 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:51.640 remember the one year, the one and only year they 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.840 had it. Yeah, yeah, they only had one year. Yeah, 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.920 I don't remember that. That's pretty funny. Um. There's also 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.000 did you have you ever seen that Mystery Science Feeders 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:07.720 three thousand Werewolf starring um Joe Estaves, who's Martin Sheen's brother. 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:13.200 Really good stuff. That one's definitely worth seeing. It's it's 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:16.760 really there's people. I don't think anything's in Arizona, but 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:20.040 a lot of people in the movie have weird, like 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:24.080 Eastern European accents for no good reason. It's almost like 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:28.200 if Tommy Wasao had directed a werewolf movie. It's a 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:32.200 lot like that. Um, And then there's another MST three 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.240 K that was good. It was I was a teenage 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:38.560 werewolf Michael Landon. So these aren't your favorite worwolf movies? 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:42.200 So your favorite, right? Yeah? Because if I saw him 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:46.200 without the mister side of theater applied, it would stink. 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.399 Who can forget teen Wolf? That was a good one too. Yeah, 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:51.720 that's a TV show, didn't it? Or was for a while. 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:53.640 There's a cartoon and then now I think it's like 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:57.680 a drama on MTV. Oh, it's not like the silly 0:02:57.720 --> 0:02:59.959 hidjinks of a Michael J. Fox type. No. I think 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:01.840 it's like supposed to be kind of like true Blood, 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:06.200 but it's like teenagers. Yeah. Have you seen that Michael J. 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:11.640 Fox show? Now? Is it anygain? No? No, No, I 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:13.480 watched some of it just out of curiosity. I'm not 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:18.240 that much into the network sitcoms, but I love Michael J. Fox, 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.800 and I thought, let me check it out. It just no, 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.000 it wasn't that good. That's cool? Yeah, I mean, hey, 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.560 you gotta take a shot at doing some TV. Can 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:32.120 all be family Ties or Team Wolf things? Is right? 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.960 Team off? The cartoon that's right. Uh, but yeah, that 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.240 was a good movie too. Are there any other werewolf movies? 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:42.200 What about The wolf Man? Uh? Sure? Or or uh 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.320 like the Howling. Wouldn't that a werewolf movie? Oh? Yeah, 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:48.200 the Howling Silver Bullet. Yeah, that was a good one 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.080 with the poor Corey uh one of the Corey Corey 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.160 Haymond uh and Gary Busey. I think, oh my god, 0:03:54.560 --> 0:04:00.480 that was a doomed cast. Wow jeez. Anyway, so those 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.440 are some of our favorite warrewolf movies. Everybody, thanks for listening. 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.400 But anyway, the Wolfman not the Jack Nicholson version, the 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:11.760 classic old version, right. Uh? He did wolf? Yeah, that 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.160 was called wolf. Yeah, that wasn't very good. It wasn't. 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.280 Benicio del Toro in one called the Wolfman. I think so, 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:19.040 but I have not seen that one, So I wonder 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:23.160 if it's based on this this movie. Yeah, I think 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:27.720 it's a take on the classic wolf Man Cheney. Yes, 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.560 I think it is Laon Cheney. That's right. And he 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:34.160 was the Wolfman Long Janey Jr. Okay, so um in 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:36.680 this movie you said it was ninety one. I think right? 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:44.240 Uh Ln Cheney. Um. Basically they set the rules for werewolves. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:48.520 It was to were wolves. What bram Stoker's Dracula was 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:52.240 two vampires or nine of the Living Dead was too zombies. Like, 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.880 it's set the rules and um. One of the big 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.400 rules that it's set was that the if you were 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.760 a werewolf, you were up the creek for the rest 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.640 of your life until somebody put a silver bullet in you. 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:09.440 You were doomed to Uh. Well, I think in the 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.560 sequel is when the full moon part right man, before 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.440 it was seasonal like the fall, you would turn into 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:18.599 a wolf, which isn't so bad because I mean, like 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:20.680 you turn into a werewolf twelve times a year. The 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.719 other way this is just like once a year. It's like, 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:28.200 who can't handle that? That's true? The only cure is death. Um. 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.200 And then of course this is just the wolfman there 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.720 were there were It was based on folklore, which we'll 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:37.520 get into now that had all kinds of different rules. Right. 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:41.080 But the many many years before people have been writing 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.640 about werewolves. But this is the movie Werewolf yet, right. 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:45.719 But I mean when you think of where wolves, you 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:49.680 think of being killed by a silver bullet, transforming in 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.239 a full moon, um, being warded off by wolf's bane, 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:55.400 which I didn't know about until I read this article. 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:57.719 But it's kind of like two werewolves. What garlic is 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:02.480 the vampires? Um, and Uh, the fact that it's incurable 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.920 that once you're a werewolf bitten by a werewolf, you 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.120 become a werewolf, and you're going to be a werewolf 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:11.880 until you die. All of those are since the nineteen forties. Yeah, 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.839 and and not every movie since then has follows that path, 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:20.240 but that's definitely the most iconic, like werewolf a template. Right, 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.359 this is a good word. But but you're right, for 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:29.080 werewolves have been present in folklore for many, many millennia. UM. 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.239 It turns out the first mention of werewolves it comes 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.520 from the epic of Gilgamesh, which that to me is 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.400 a clue to what werewolves are really supposed to be. 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:43.719 But in Gilgamesh, the goddess Ishtar who doomed Um, Warren 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:48.440 Beatty and Dustin Hoffman originally, Um is trying to get 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.800 with Gilgamesh, and Gilgamesh is like, hey, lady, I've heard 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:55.080 about your past with other guys. You turned one of 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.520 them into a wolf, and just to make matters worse, 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:02.240 in an ironic twist, the guy was a shepherd, so 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.120 he's attacking his own flock. He's at odds with his 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:08.240 own dogs. That was a mean thing to do. That's cruel. Well, 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.360 you and I have no no future, that's right, And 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:16.920 she said, fine, outright wolf. So uh that was Gilgama 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:21.240 and that's from eighteen eighteenth century BC. Yeah, I thought 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:26.400 you're gonna say like eighteen forty something. Another story Ovid's 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:32.400 the Metamorphosis UM. A traveler visits King Lion of Acadia 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:34.560 and he says, you know what, I think you may 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:36.400 be immortal. So I'm gonna have a little test and 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.640 if you do human meat, which I guess is a 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:42.440 a good test back then to see if someone's immortal um. 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.200 And the guest turned out to be Jupiter, the god Jupiter, 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.119 and she said, wait, this is human meat. I'm gonna 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.560 I'm piste off. Now, I'm gonna transform you into a wolf, 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:56.640 like canos exactly. And that's where the word comes from, 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.320 like oos, the Greek word meaning wolf. And then like 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:03.800 anthropy is as well, it's either turning into a wolf 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:08.360 or in our modern times, thinking you're a wolf. It's 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:14.200 like cancerpy is actually a medical a diagnosis of mental illness, 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:18.920 like it's a real delusion a self identity disorder. Wow, 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.840 where you think you're a wolf or you think you're 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:27.360 a warewolf or a beast. That's pretty crazy. So, um, 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:31.120 this was not unique to like shape shifting wasn't unique 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.640 to a time period or a place, like depending on 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.000 where you were from, if you were from a place 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.400 at wolves, it might be wolves. But no, Tracy is 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.160 making the point. This is Tracy Wilson jam by the way. 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.440 Um she makes the point that like it's so ingrained 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:50.120 into folklore that if you are if a culture is 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:54.080 from an area that had wolves, like there's werewolf folklore, 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.800 that's right, it's almost a given. But in Africa you 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:00.000 might turn into a hyena or in Japan you might 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:06.439 turn into a fox, which is nice. Like shape shifting. Yeah, 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:10.920 shape shifting inspires spear for three main reasons. I thought this. 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:12.839 I thought it was kind of funny. This is one 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:16.360 of the funniest bullet lists and the whole site. Reason 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:20.760 Number one shape shifting inspire Spear is you become a 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:25.600 powerful carnivores, So that's scary. That wouldn't still fear. Number two, 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:30.520 you are actually transforming into something that you fear already, right, 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.880 So that's even scarier. Yeah, and you have no way 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:37.720 of escaping yourself. So everybody is scared at this point, 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:43.080 including the werewolf and number three, Um, you are going 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:44.920 to have to perpetually deal with this over and over 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:47.560 and over until somebody puts a silver bullet in you. 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.560 So those are the three reasons that shape shifting inspires fear. 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.439 So that was so weird, Like everybody like this. This 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.320 is that's reason enough to go onto the site and 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.920 look at this article. Yeah, just check out this bullet list. Agreed, 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:04.480 it's not even bulleted, it's numbered. Yeah, some quality work. 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.760 So uh. A lot of times in these in this 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:12.040 folklore and literature, um like anthropy is more of a 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:16.120 punishment dolled out oftentimes for being some sort of sexual 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.599 deviant and almost always a dude. Yeah. Yeah, that's a 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:23.599 big point. Like vampire ism, it goes both ways. It 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:28.479 can be men women. They're usually clean and they're very sophisticated. 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:33.360 Typically vampires are um, at least from bram Stoker onward, 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.840 but with where well, it's it's very much supposed to 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:47.319 be a like the the epitome of masculinity gone feral. Yeah, brutish, yeah, violent, hairy, Yeah, muscular, 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:52.559 um strong, sound like they want to add right exactly 0:10:52.640 --> 0:11:00.120 seeking same right right for some crazy stuff cosplay there 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:05.200 you go dress up like vampires. H. So when it's 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.920 a punishment, um, it varies. Sometimes it's a permanent thing, 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:12.959 you're transformed to a wolf forever. Um. Sometimes it's a 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.480 number of years, usually seven or nine that comes into 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.319 play over and over again. Yeah, And um race is 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.080 making a good point here, like this is their distinctions 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:25.200 among like our modern understanding of werewolves and the folklore 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:28.679 which was you know, like it wasn't always a punishment. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.760 Sometimes it was a positive thing. As we'll see, it 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.840 wasn't always permanent. Sometimes it just lasted for a very 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:41.400 brief time. But there are folklore, Um, there is folklore 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:46.520 what's plural of folklore? There are folklore's I don't know, 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:52.040 folklore stumbled upon a huge gaping hole in the language, um. 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:55.800 But the in in German folklore in particular, there's um 0:11:56.400 --> 0:12:01.760 stories of the stories of folk stories of people turning 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:06.240 into where wolves on purpose, under their own volition, voluntarily, um, 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:13.240 in order to basically become wolf, like to go hunt better, um, 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.679 because they're balding. Who knows there's all sorts of reasons 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.520 to become a wolf, and it's temporary too, So it's 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.080 voluntary and temporary. Yeah, and a lot of times if 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:25.640 that's the case, there's like a like a belt made 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:27.800 from wolf skin or something that that will put on 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:33.280 that will transform them something like that. Um. In Northern Europe, 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:37.120 like Germany and Belgium and the Netherlands, this is pretty 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:43.360 common and wolf stories are like big in Northern Europe. Huge. Uh. 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:48.440 Well remember our our Vikings episode, Yeah, the berserkers. Yeah, 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:52.720 so they would put on bear skins, eat mushrooms and 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:56.120 then just go crazy battle. Yeah, they were berserk, they 0:12:56.120 --> 0:13:01.120 went berserk. Um. There's an Icelandic tradition also a type 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:05.320 of a warrior who would put on wolf skins and 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.000 think he was transformed into a wolf and would fright 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:12.839 viciously like that too. Again probably on mushrooms, right wolf 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:18.040 versus bear. Yeah, mushrooms. Yeah, that sounds crazy. Mushrooms when 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:23.280 no mushrooms like the ref okay, like fight, Yeah, that's 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:28.760 the equalizer. Um. And some of these tales, clothing has 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:30.040 a lot to do with it, Like some of them, 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:34.080 you have to remove your clothes um in order to 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:36.959 become a werewolf. Yeah, are you're seeing like the dichotomy here, 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:38.600 like and some you have to put on a wolf 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:40.640 pelt to become a werewolf, and some you have to 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.400 take your human clothes off. And do you remember I 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.880 was saying, like I feel like the epic of Gilgamesh 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:51.160 is aclude what werewolves represent. So you know the epic 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:54.560 of gils we've talked before is like it's the it 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:58.160 was written at a time when civilization is emerging, and 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.240 like the whole thing of Gilgamesh is basically like, hey, everybody, 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.960 get on board with society and we'll live in cities 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.680 and be civilized. And if not, then you're a wild man. 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.720 I think that's the same thing with the with werewolf 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:14.360 flor Like if you were um, if you acted outside 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:19.640 of society's prescribed norms, you would go so far that 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:23.520 you would become an actual beast and you would be 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:25.960 cursed in this way. And it was basically like a 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:30.320 cautionary tale, or it was also a way to kind of, 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:33.760 um take a dig at a miscreant, somebody who wasn't 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.160 living up to society, Like you're nothing but a werewolf, 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:39.120 You're a beast? Get it? Together. Man, it became kind 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.760 of a catchphrase in certain societies. Sure, not a catchphrase, 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:43.800 but like you said something, you would call it that person. 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.640 But I think that's what the metaphor of the werewolf 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.360 is supposed to be, although Tracy goes to great links 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:52.920 to point out just how sexually based it is. Yeah, 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.840 like it also ties into puberty and menstruation. I never 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.920 really considered that. So we're talking about the clothing having 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.160 a lot to do with it. Sometimes, of course, you 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:02.880 would turn into the werewolf and you would wake up 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.160 naked and have to put your clothes back on. Sometimes 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.080 you well, you have to take your clothes off to 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.680 become the werewolf. Yeah, that's another that's another indication that 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:17.600 you're leaving society. You're taking off your clothes and becoming wild. Dude, 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:20.560 do you see am I making my point? Okay? Because 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:22.360 I feel like I'm all over the place. No, you're 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.280 making your point. Um. In one tail, a man removed 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.960 his clothes pete and a circle around them and calls 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.680 the clothes to turn into stone, meaning no one could 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:32.280 take the clothes anywhere, and when he got back and 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:34.240 turned back into a person, he would have his clothes 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.720 there but it didn't say, and I didn't find the 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:42.600 tail how he turned the stone clothes back into cloth. Yeah, 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.240 maybe it happened after the transformation or something, or maybe 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.440 he had to poop on him. No, to transform back 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:50.600 into a human, he had to put his clothes back on, 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:53.680 so he had to figure out as a wolf how 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:57.800 to put on stone clothes. Yeah. I think some of 0:15:58.000 --> 0:15:59.600 all these stories are so old they don't get into 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.000 like this pacifics like that. That's just stupid, Like they 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.360 didn't think a podcast four hundred years later was gonna 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:11.440 nitpick stupid peasant. Um. In one that tale called biz Cleverett, 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:16.520 an adulter's wife steals the werewolve's clothes, which keeps them 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:20.200 in wolf Modever, he gets her back, he bites her 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:24.880 nose off like a good wolf. Um. And in doing so, 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:29.000 I don't think in Briton Um they necessarily said that, 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:33.160 like canterpy was transmitted, which is another good point about 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:39.440 whether the metaphor of it could be disease like transmitted disease. Right, Um, 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:43.040 But the she would have, under certain traditions, become a 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:46.760 werewolf her self for being bitten by a werewolf. That's right, 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:50.200 But you mentioned that in some lore and stories and movies, 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:54.160 it is totally voluntary. As werewolves are a race like 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:59.680 a dwarf or a troll like Twilight, they're like wolf people. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:06.080 Then they can transform at will from h hunky, long necked, 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:13.040 long torso dudes into long neck long torso. Yeah that 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:17.159 guy who the guy in Twilight the wolf. Yeah, I 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.440 can't think of his name, but the dude's neck and 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:22.320 torso are like eight ft long. Really, he's kind of 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.520 funny looking, but he can. They can transform Willy Nilly 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.080 into wolf, bad CG looking wolf right back out, and 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:32.240 like an instant. There's no like transformation, just like rent, 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.760 I'm a wolf. Oh gotcha? Yeah, you've never seen that stuff? 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:39.120 At you? You shouldn't. Well, the transformation is very important. 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.280 Well not in Twilight. Well it's True Blood. It's the 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.359 same thing. In True Blood, they just like boom their werewolves, right, Okay, 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:49.399 Well that actually follows the tradition. It's um fairly recent, 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:53.600 like basically Rick Baker era where the transformation became really 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.320 important and like just kind of like a hey, everybody 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.760 check this out. Yeah, I think let's get into that 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:10.960 after a message break. Okay, mm hmm Okay, so we're 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.720 talking about transformation. It's like one of the biggest deals 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:17.919 in movies now unless it's Twilight, like I said, and 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.119 you're just it's really strange. I would have thought that 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:23.080 they I can see what you're saying. Yeah, and Twilight, 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.719 like they'll it's so fast that they can he'll be 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:27.800 like running through the woods and and jump up in 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.320 the air and come down as a wolf to keep running. 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.199 It really takes all the and they look so crappy 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:36.240 and the cg so bad. Yeah, it's just terrible and 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:40.320 they're huge. It's just it's really very poor Werewolf NG 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.640 So I could but I can see skipping past that. 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.840 If you are describing a race of people, Yeah, more 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:51.000 than one person, get it, and like they need to 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:53.280 come in and out a lot. With a movie like 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.320 an American Werewolf in London, it just follows the story 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.520 of one hapless like Ententrope. Yeah, where the transformation is 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:01.720 the biggest part of the story, very important, and they 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:03.840 show every bit of it. But if you go back 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:07.120 and read the literature, the werewolf literature, you're not gonna 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:11.400 find too many descriptions of the transformation. It's mostly like 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:15.040 a recent film thing. Yeah, and in most of those movies, 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.480 like if if you are fighting a werewolf and you 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:21.280 cut off his arm, it'll instantly be like a human arm. Yeah, 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:23.760 it's pretty cool. It's very cool. Yeah. And the same 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:27.199 thing goes for when you kill a werewolf. In some traditions, 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:31.120 if you kill the werewolf while it's a wolf, he's 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:33.560 going to stay a wolf forever. I don't like that. No, 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.000 he's got to turn back into the human. And I 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:39.920 think it was in it was part of the lower 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.560 in American Werewolf in London, Like doesn't he get hurt? 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.840 And like that's how somebody knows he's the werewolf because 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:48.400 he sustained an injury as a wolf and now he's 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:51.119 wearing that injury as a person again. Wit, how do 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:52.560 you become a wolf? Is that what we're talking about? 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:54.479 You know? How they knew he was a werewolf? Like, 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:58.119 didn't somebody doesn't like the girl he's involved with, No, 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:02.120 that he's a werewolf because he's he comes back injured, 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:04.919 Like doesn't he get his eyes stabbed out or something? No? 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:07.199 I think he? I mean he and Griffin Donne go 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.320 off into the moors after being in a pub and 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:12.560 get attacked by a werewolf. Griffin Dunn dies. He goes 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:16.720 to the hospital and I think the nurses becomes his girlfriend. Okay, 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:19.919 so later on somebody stabs the werewolf in the eye, 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.720 and when he becomes a man again, he's his eyes missing. 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.760 I think either that I'm just completely making this up, 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:30.719 but I feel like I can see it. Well, if 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:32.919 it's not that movie, it's another similar one. But the 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:35.480 point is, if you sustain an injury as a werewolf 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:39.720 in most traditions, especially modern werewolflor, you will have that 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:43.000 same injury as a person actually transformed back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:45.000 that's what you mean. I couldn't remember too until I 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:47.359 rewatch it today how he was, Like, how did he 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:49.520 get out of his clothes? Because I don't remember busting 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.480 out of the clothes. He looks up at the window 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:55.480 and sees the full moon and just gets up and 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:57.840 starts screaming and rips his shirt off and takes his 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:01.639 pants off. Does think, yeah, and remember that naked, and 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:04.080 that's where he starts the transformation once he's like naked 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:07.160 in his apartment. That was a really good movie. Yeah, 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:10.639 I enjoyed it. Funny and apparently the studio executives had 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:12.000 a big problem with it, you know, because they were 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:15.200 like it was genre bending. They're like, wait, this is funny, 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.639 but it's horror. Like, we don't get it. It's not 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:20.320 funny enough and it's not scary enough, and ended up 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.000 being a big hit. I didn't see the other one though, 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:27.480 the American World in Paris. I didn't either. Liked Nathan 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:31.399 Hawk and Julie Delpy and that's before Sunrise, but um, 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:35.159 Julie Delpy was in it. I think, Okay, that's why 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:38.800 I'm thinking that. Yeah, but no Ethan Hawk. Um, so chuck. 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:42.480 There's been uh, you know, remember the witchcraft trials that 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:44.719 were so famous over here in Salem, mass and the 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:48.879 other colonies. Yeah, so they were actually, um, you know, 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:52.320 there were witchcraft trials and witch hunts in Europe before 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:54.400 then and at the same time, but there was also 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:57.920 werewolf hunts. Yeah. I never knew. This makes total sense though. 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:02.480 So apparently between fifteen twenty in sixteen thirty, there were 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:09.840 thirty thousand recorded cases of werewolves, reports were reported werewolves, werewolves, 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:13.440 people executed for being werewolves. And some of these things 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:18.760 were not just neighbor you know, turning in neighbor, so neighbor, 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:22.760 a can get neighbors bees land or wife for children 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:26.159 or whatever. Right, Um, there there were some cases of 0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:32.560 people who were executed because they were self confessed werewolves. Specifically, 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:36.480 there's this guy named Gio Garnier. What's his story. He 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:38.680 was a kind of a hermit. He and his wife 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:40.400 lived out in the woods, like you had to kind 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:41.800 of walk through a lot of woods to get to 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:46.199 their place in a village um in uh, France. I 0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:50.960 can't remember where exactly, but um Geal fancied himself awarewolf. 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:52.919 He thought he really was a werewolf, and he was 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:56.520 attacking children, like tearing him to pieces with his hands 0:22:56.520 --> 0:23:00.560 and teeth and then eating them. And he would eat 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:02.720 them on the spot and would apparently get pretty far 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:05.280 just as a human. He wouldn't like dress up, no, 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:09.240 he but he thought he was transforming. And so finally 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:12.639 he was caught in the actor right, well, he was 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:14.919 calling act once by some people who confirmed that he 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:16.840 wasn't a werewolf. He was in the form of a man, 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:20.080 but he was still acting like a werewolf. So um 0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:22.240 they figured out that he wasn't really a werewolf. But 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:26.760 the fact was he still ate a bunch of children 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:29.840 that he killed and torn to pieces. So he was 0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:32.640 burned alive at the steak for just being a murderous 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:38.480 schoon exactly. But another guy, UM, who was named Jean Grenier. Uh, 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:42.199 a few years later, he was actually hold up in 0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:46.760 a monastery for the same crime. But um, they found 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:49.880 him insane. Yeah, these were just cannibals, right, but they 0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:54.359