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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast. Today Ben

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Speaker 2: and I are joined by someone creating a little bit

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Speaker 2: of drama, especially last week in Paradise.

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Speaker 3: It is Sean McLaughlin. Welcome Sean.

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Speaker 4: Hi guys, thanks for having me on again.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Oh my gosh, so happy to have you.

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Speaker 2: Before we get into the interview with Sean, I do

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Speaker 2: want to say that this interview is will be two

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Speaker 2: parts because he is such a big player in this season,

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Speaker 2: a bachelor in Paradise, and we have a lot we

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Speaker 2: want to cover with him. So last episode watching you back, like,

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Speaker 2: do you think that you made some mistakes?

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Speaker 3: I'm just jumping right in, right into it.

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Speaker 2: Holy yeah, you guys, I'm like not, I'm not the

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Speaker 2: best when it comes to justlike small talk. You know.

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Speaker 4: Well, first off, Hi, Ben, good to talk to you too.

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Speaker 4: We can we go into it, Sean.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to the fun stuff later. Let's just like

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Speaker 3: get the hard stuff over.

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Speaker 5: With, all right.

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Speaker 4: It sounds good.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, watching it back, and it's weird watching yourself on TV, obviously,

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Speaker 6: but I think watching it back, one thing that was

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Speaker 6: it was just a confusing night, so watching it back gave.

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Speaker 4: Me a little bit more clarity.

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Speaker 6: I didn't really Yeah, I had no idea what Brayden

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Speaker 6: had said to Rachel for the I don't think I

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Speaker 6: knew until I watched it back, truly, until I kind

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Speaker 6: of got some perspective into it. So I thought Rachel

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Speaker 6: was initially mad at me for talking to Jess that night,

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Speaker 6: but we had talked previously. I was going, I told

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Speaker 6: her I was going to do that. So when came

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Speaker 6: back from that conversation, and for those of you who

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Speaker 6: don't know, like you get pulled for interviews after stuff

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Speaker 6: like this happened. So I came back, did an interview.

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Speaker 6: I come back and she's upset with me, like very

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Speaker 6: upset with me. So I thought she was mad that

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Speaker 6: I talked to Jess, And I was like, wait, you

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Speaker 6: just like you said you were cool with it, now

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Speaker 6: you're not. I had no idea that Brayden was making

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Speaker 6: it seem like, oh my god, I'm like, I'm Rachel

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Speaker 6: so into me, which was never the case.

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Speaker 4: So I didn't know that's why she was mad. So

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Speaker 4: it was it was difficult watching it back.

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Speaker 3: Oh, so what did you think that Brandon did say?

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Speaker 6: I knew she Rachel had said that, like Branden told

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Speaker 6: her something, and like in the moment, I really don't

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Speaker 6: remember what she said.

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Speaker 4: Braiden had said.

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Speaker 6: Branden, come to find out, made it seem like, oh

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Speaker 6: my god, like Sean's not into you, You're so into him,

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Speaker 6: which was never the case at all. So like I

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Speaker 6: was confused why he did that and like why I

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Speaker 6: was shown that way. So it was tough watching it back.

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Speaker 5: Sean.

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Speaker 7: It's it's pretty it's pretty funny to have this conversation

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Speaker 7: with you. Obviously, last time you were on this podcast,

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Speaker 7: it was kind of the lead up to Paradise, and

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Speaker 7: you weren't willing to even tell us if you're gonna

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Speaker 7: be on Paradise or not.

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Speaker 5: Now we've seen.

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Speaker 7: Your story play out this, you know, this was a big,

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Speaker 7: a big part of your storyline so far, was the

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Speaker 7: controversy in Paradise. It did, from a viewer's perspective, feel

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Speaker 7: like you had said something like you kind of and

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Speaker 7: maybe it was Braiden's kind of commentary adding on, but

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Speaker 7: that you know, Rachel was very into you, and you

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Speaker 7: had always kind of had your eye on Jess, and

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Speaker 7: so you had just mentioned that you and Rachel had

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Speaker 5: What did that conversation look like?

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Speaker 7: And were you telling Rachel Hammer to talk to Jess

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Speaker 7: because I'm actually more into her than I am into you.

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Speaker 6: So to kind of accept the stage, like at this

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Speaker 6: the point where you kind of have to make those decisions.

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Speaker 6: First off, Rachel's so cool. We were chilled the entire time,

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Speaker 6: and I think she was in the same boat as me,

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Speaker 6: We're hanging out the entire time, but I think we

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Speaker 6: I don't really want her to be bad at me,

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Speaker 6: But she.

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Speaker 4: Was an entire time. She's like yeah, like, O, we're

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Speaker 6: Like I'm good, Like I'm having a good time with you,

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Speaker 6: but we're obviously still open.

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Speaker 4: I think we were both on the same page up

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Speaker 7: Okay, well, so like at this point, were you guys

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Speaker 7: like you and Rachel, You're having a good time your friendships.

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Speaker 7: You were kind of like you didn't know if there's

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Speaker 7: and like one on one cudd along the couch the

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Speaker 7: whole time, or were we just seeing those very few

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Speaker 4: I would say we were hanging out.

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Speaker 6: Like the first week, we were definitely hanging out quite

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Speaker 6: those day beds, and you saw a bit of that,

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Speaker 6: but I think it was more like the second week

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Speaker 6: was probably when we were growing more apart, and it

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Speaker 6: was probably just me like where I was like, I

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Speaker 6: don't know where or I'm at right now. It's a

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Speaker 6: meant to be friends.

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Speaker 4: We were both.

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Speaker 6: Open, so I wasn't I would say, as affectionate that

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Speaker 6: second week leading up to it.

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Speaker 2: Did you feel it all possibly guilty because you thought

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Speaker 2: that Rachel's maybe into like where did Brad didn't come

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Speaker 2: up with this narrative that Rachel's more into Sean than he.

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Speaker 4: Is to her.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it wasn't like I don't think Rachel was like,

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Speaker 6: oh my god, I'm so Intoshan. Like we liked each other,

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Speaker 6: like we're having fun. But it wasn't like she's all

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Speaker 6: they kind of give some context into it, and me

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Speaker 6: and Brad are cool now, we're friends. When you get

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Speaker 6: it when you're in Paradise, you have time at night

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Speaker 6: when you're really like not on camera, you really are

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Speaker 6: on camera because they have hit like cameras up in

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Speaker 4: We're still all very close.

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Speaker 6: I was like, man, like I'm just like a in

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Speaker 6: like we're having fun. It was shocked to see her

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Speaker 6: but like I do like have these things about Jess

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Speaker 6: that I really wanted to explore, and like, no one

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Speaker 6: didn't necessarily want to be like the first person to

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Speaker 6: especially when no one's flopping at all. And I guess

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Speaker 6: I was the catalyst to what we watched on Paradise,

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Speaker 3: Did you and Rachel only make out once?

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Speaker 6: I think it was like twice three times. I don't

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Speaker 6: know that Paradise was a blur. It's not like we

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Speaker 5: Paradise is an interesting place. I do feel like.

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Speaker 7: Ashley and I talked about it last week, your timing

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Speaker 7: from our perspective was pretty terrible.

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Speaker 5: And here's why.

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Speaker 4: True.

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Speaker 7: Well, so here's why we thought that, And this is

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Speaker 7: where we wanted to get some clarity from you, because

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Speaker 7: strategically it's a part of Paradise. You want to at

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Speaker 7: some point talk to Jess. You made that clear, like, Hey,

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Speaker 7: I came down here excited to meet you, and like

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Speaker 7: we never had the opportunity and it now seems like

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Speaker 7: a good time. However, you chose to do it, like

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Speaker 7: had secured probably a rose next week from Rachel that

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Speaker 7: Jess and then you obviously will have the roses next.

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Speaker 5: Week, and so you're there again, Why.

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Speaker 7: Did you choose to do it at this moment when

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Speaker 7: like the risk is that, like it does blow up

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Speaker 7: in your face and you were left alone on the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, thankfully I had my voice there, but yeah, it

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Speaker 6: was pretty a lot. Yeah, And that's the thing is

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Speaker 6: like watching it back, like for me, it's like not

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Speaker 6: and then you like have strategy and like they're definitely

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Speaker 6: have strategy, you can go and strategize how I'm going

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Speaker 4: It was hard, Like it.

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Speaker 6: Was really difficult, and I didn't want to potentially like

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Speaker 6: and I felt that maybe there was something with Jess,

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Speaker 6: so like I was going to explore it. The timing

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Speaker 6: of it obviously was an ideal if my game plan

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Speaker 6: was to like try to secure Rose and go on,

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Speaker 6: but that really is never the thing for me. So

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Speaker 6: that's why you saw me do it right before Rose ceremony.

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Speaker 6: And I wasn't going to try and get Jess as

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Speaker 6: Rose at all, Like that was like a big misconception.

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to see like where she was at.

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Speaker 5: It was.

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Speaker 6: It was not like out here, give me your Rose

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Speaker 6: and like we'll figure out together. It was really just

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Speaker 6: wanted to see where she was at with everything. And

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Speaker 6: because I hadn't got a chance to talk to her

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Speaker 6: too much throughout.

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Speaker 2: Paradise, where are Jess and Blake at because we we're

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Speaker 2: a suspect?

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Speaker 6: Okay, Yeah, at this point, I think they were in

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Speaker 6: the same boat as like a lot of the relationships

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Speaker 6: in Paradise right now, where I think it's still early.

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Speaker 6: They're having fun, they're vibing, but I think they're probably

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Speaker 6: both still open to you know, other people coming down

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Speaker 6: or exploring and see where things go. I don't think

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Speaker 6: it's like they're locked in completely. I think they're just

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Speaker 6: pretty open. It was still somewhat early in Paradise.

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Speaker 7: Well and this you know, yes, you've got you've explained it,

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Speaker 7: like you were trying to follow what you were most

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Speaker 7: interested in. Paradise is a good good spot for you

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Speaker 7: to potentially, you know, meet Jess, who you are obviously

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Speaker 7: interested in going into it. The side part of this

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Speaker 7: was one of the cool storylines from the Steves, and

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Speaker 7: it happens a lot in Paradise is the Braiden kind

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Speaker 7: of redemption, and not only the Braiden redemption, but also

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Speaker 7: you know, we have left it at this point in

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Speaker 7: I mean, when when you hear that he was saying

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that was a tough tough night because, like one,

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Speaker 6: I never wanted to make it seem like Rachel was

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Speaker 6: Like you guys didn't see it. I didn't say that

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Speaker 6: on Bachelor in Paradise. We have cameras, ever, we have

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Speaker 6: a metal wait, and.

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Speaker 3: So you're right, we don't see it now.

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Speaker 6: So I was a little shocked that like you would

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Speaker 4: Like you probably didn't even need to bring me up

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Speaker 6: If you just wanted to pursue Rachel, she'd probably been like, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 6: like I'll go have fun with you. So it was

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Speaker 6: That's how I felt in the moment, like when you're

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Speaker 6: So I was like felt really betrayed. I was pissed,

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Speaker 6: something Breaton said. I was like, dude, what the what

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Speaker 6: is too is like you guys didn't see it.

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Speaker 1: He was.

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Speaker 6: He felt really bad about it afterwards, and there's nothing

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Speaker 4: Mine and Rachel had already had the argument.

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Speaker 6: Like I can't harp on Brandon for you know, kind

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Speaker 6: of misspeaking or miss misinterpreting. I guess the situation in

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Speaker 6: a way, and he came obviously to you, I'm so sorry,

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Speaker 6: like I do, like gave me a hug, and I

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Speaker 6: because like I thought he was and we are boys.

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Speaker 6: But in the moment, I was like, I just I

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Speaker 6: don't know why you put me in a situation like that.

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Speaker 3: Oh, your forgiveness is really sweet.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm a good guy, I think, maybe like contrary

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Speaker 2: Okay, So give us the lowdown on what else is

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Speaker 2: going on in Paradise. So Aaron B and Eliza seemed

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Speaker 3: But we were a little.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Aaron B and Eliza were like there

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Speaker 6: it was almost a shock for Eliza to go on

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Speaker 6: Charity season are incredibly close, Like we really do have

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Speaker 4: We're all friends.

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Speaker 6: So John Mey got putting a difficult spot there coming

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Speaker 6: down and like, oh, it was a lot of Charity's

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Speaker 6: I think for her it was probably like I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: go on this date. If I'm thinking about Aaron B.

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Speaker 6: I know, like that's where I'm meant to be, and

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Speaker 6: I know that like last year on Paradise, I guess

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Speaker 4: But then came back and was with Aaron Be and

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Speaker 7: I've Ashley would know how to speak to this, but

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Speaker 7: I'm curious if it's changed at all. One of the

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Speaker 7: things it makes that's interesting about Paradise to me are

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Speaker 7: these situations, you know, the Brain situation with you and

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Speaker 7: At night, then once everybody's back, I think you're all roommates,

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Speaker 7: Like is it just super awkward? Like I mean, are

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Speaker 7: you guys like pillow talking? Are you guys just mad

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Speaker 7: at each other? You lay there fuming like what is

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 6: So I'm not the best person to speak to that

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Speaker 6: that night in particular, because like I didn't sleep that night.

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Speaker 6: I was getting pulled for interviews left and right, like

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Speaker 6: got done with interviews. Thing it was like four am.

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Speaker 6: I didn't know we had security at night. They almost

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Speaker 5: What are you doing?

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Speaker 6: When they're speaking Spanish, so I couldn't speak Spanish. I'm

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Speaker 6: like cast, Like I'm on the cast. It was like

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Speaker 6: I could even have a conversation with the moos, just

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Speaker 6: didn't take things too seriously, so like when John b

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Speaker 6: came down and took Eliza, like Aaron, Me and Johnny

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Speaker 6: were so cool. I think if it was someone from

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Speaker 6: another season and that we didn't have a relationship with

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Speaker 6: a little contentious. But Paradise was mostly Charity's guys, and

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Speaker 6: then yeah, Will and Blake we're super cool as well,

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Speaker 6: so we all got along really really well.

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Speaker 7: Nice.

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Speaker 2: You'll have to stay tuned for episode two with Sean,

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Speaker 2: it'll be out momentarily, and in this episode, we're going

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Speaker 2: to try to get him to crack about who's coming

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Speaker 2: down the stairs, what guys are at play for this

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Speaker 2: girl's rose, and whether or not he is a contender

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Speaker 2: for it.

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Speaker 3: Stay tuned.

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