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Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly Fry and I'm Tracy B. Wilson.

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Speaker 1: And in recent years, uh we have started this tradition

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Speaker 1: and this year is no different, but it's a little

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Speaker 1: Vincent Price is perhaps the best known horror actor of

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Speaker 1: And this group of projects really made Vincent Price an

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Speaker 1: Uh to actually bring art into the White House, which

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00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:30,479
Speaker 1: is pretty cool. Yes, you know, it's a wonderful Speaking

435
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: of legacies, so um, Mrs Kennedy recognized that the White

436
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: House had been sort of treated like each president's own home.

437
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 1: They moved in, they fixed it up the way they wanted,

438
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: and she thought, well, that's crazy. This is a national monument,

439
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: this is a historic monument. We we shouldn't be treating

440
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: it like like you know, you're buying a home and

441
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: you're gonna change the fixtures and because you might like

442
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: the color blue. And so she put together a committee

443
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: of people to buy art that would be owned by

444
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: the United States government. Um, but it's art that then

445
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 1: each president can choose from. And one of the things

446
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: that was really really moving to my father was that

447
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: he donated a piece which was a watercolor of some

448
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: clouds by the Hudson Valley painter Albert Bierstadt. And that

449
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 1: was the piece that President Kennedy himself loved the most,

450
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: and he hung that on the end of his bed,

451
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: and UM, my dad really found that. Um, he just

452
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Speaker 1: loved knowing that somebody had such a personal relationship to

453
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: that piece that he had donated. I love that story

454
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: so much. And speaking of his love of art and

455
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: the Democrat to the san of art, I wanted to

456
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 1: talk to you some about the Sears Roebuck art program

457
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: because even when I mentioned this to people like oh, no,

458
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: Vincent Price was buying art for Sears Roebuck to then

459
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: sell to the masses. They think that what he was

460
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: doing was buying art and they were making prints. But no,

461
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: he was buying originals, and Sears Roebuck was cultivating those

462
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: in galleries and selling them. Yeah. An amazing thing. Yeah,

463
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: you could play a Picasso or a Dolly or a

464
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: we Ared or a whistler on your Sears credit card

465
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: with a money back guarantee. That crazy, dear, What that

466
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: is really quite funny, I know. Uh. Yeah, that program

467
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: really took up so much of his life and was

468
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: such a passion for him. Yes. Uh, you speak in

469
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: your book so much about both your father and mother

470
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: working on that sort of tirelessly and constantly traveling the

471
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: world and finding new pieces to add. Uh. It's one

472
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: of those things that still blows me away. I think

473
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: as people today would have some difficulty accepting this information

474
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: because it's so outside people. I say that and people laugh,

475
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: you know. But I can't tell you the number of

476
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: people who have come up to me and said, I

477
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: began buying art because I bought my first piece from

478
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Speaker 1: your dad at Sears Roebuck. It was it was a

479
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: serious and important thing, and it really really changed some

480
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: people's lives. I love it, um, and now I'm in

481
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: to shift gears though. I can talk about art and

482
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: your dad I think forever. But also one of my

483
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: great loves and your dad's is cooking, uh, which was

484
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: kind of in the blood. His grandfather invented cream of

485
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: tartar and went on to developing powder baking powder. It

486
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: was a cream of tartar baking powder, yeah uh, and

487
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: went on to develop a number of flavoring extracts and

488
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: other things. Um. And it's so I sort of associate

489
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: the kitchen as being in the price blood at that point. Um.

490
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: I have a copy of a Treasury of Great Recipes

491
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: that my husband got me quite a number of years ago,

492
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: and I think, I cry to me, I love it

493
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: so much. But will you talk a little bit about

494
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: his love of cooking and how he ended up writing cookbooks?

495
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: You bet uh? So uh. My pat answer is that

496
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: he loved to eat. My dad loved to eat, So

497
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: that's kind of how it all started. First while he

498
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: was six ft four and if his metabolism was anything

499
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: like mine, you know, he loved to eat, and he

500
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: ate a lot, and and he could, you know, more

501
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: easily than than other people. And so he um began eating.

502
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: He loved to learn anything, so he liked to learn

503
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: how to cook. My mother was an excellent cook, and

504
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: they spent a lot of time in the kitchen together.

505
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: And then when they traveled the world, that they really

506
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: began collecting recipes and design elements and doing all of

507
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: these very very cool things. And it was really Sears

508
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: Roebuck again that came up with this idea of creating

509
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: this cookbook, and so they collaborated with my dad too

510
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: and my mom, both of them to create this cookbook

511
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: that was a big, big deal. It's old three copies

512
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: when it first came out, and it became, after it

513
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: fell out of print, the eighth most popular outprint book

514
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: of any kind, and so we released a fiftieth anniversary

515
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: edition of it last year and it's still immensely popular.

516
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: Somebody just sent me an email. They're doing a blog

517
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: this month. Every day they're cooking a different recipe. The

518
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: New York Times just did a piece last week on

519
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: chicken tetrazini, including the recipe from from the cookbook. And

520
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: this week, uh, we are releasing the second cookbook from

521
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: that series, which was also in collaboration with Sears, which

522
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: is called Come into the Kitchen. And that was another

523
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: book that both my dad's dad and mom did and

524
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: it's a sort of a history of American cuisine, which

525
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: again was a very populous thing to do because everything

526
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: was all about Europe, Europe, Europe, and my dad was

527
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: very much uh an advocate of what was coming out

528
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: of this country. Now we think of ourselves as this

529
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: artistic and creative as well as financial and you know, global, military, whatever, superpower.

530
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: But when my dad was coming up, we were still

531
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: very much in the shadow of Europe, and we were

532
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: a very young, young country, and so cooking we weren't

533
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: thought of as having a culinary history, and and that

534
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: was something that was really important for him to promote

535
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: as well. Do you ever cook from either of the cookbooks? Yea,

536
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: I will say this, and I tell everyone this. I

537
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: like proselytize around the section in a Treasury of Great Recipes.

538
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,959
Speaker 1: It's very brief, but it's where your mother and father

539
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: talked about the way that they handle rue like a

540
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: rue base where they would do the prep and then

541
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: freeze it and then they would use a melon baller

542
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 1: to just get out however much they needed whenever. Pretty brilliant, right,

543
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: it is brilliant. I do it now and it works

544
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: like a charm. There are some incredible recipes in those cookbooks,

545
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: including probably my all time favorite lobster bisc recipe of

546
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: all time, which is super rich and very delicious, and

547
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: coming up, Victoria is going to speak about a recent

548
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: interview and which she talked about her father's very personal life.

549
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: But before we dive into that, we're going to take

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570
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: So now we are going to hear some really uh,

571
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: very frank and open discussion from Victoria about sharing information

572
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: about her father's sexuality and her mindset about protecting her

573
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: father's image. The next thing I want to talk about

574
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: is a little more modern and a thing that came

575
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: up with you in an interview last year, and when

576
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: you were promoting the reprint of the book, you chosen

577
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: an interview to address the rumors about your father's sexuality

578
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: and confirm that based on the knowledge you had, you

579
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: believed that he had indeed had sexual experiences with men

580
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: as well as women. And I know from reading both

581
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: your book and your blog that you are very thoughtful

582
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: about what you share of both yourself and your father's story.

583
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: So can you talk about what led you to make

584
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: the decision that this was something that you wanted to share.

585
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: And at that time, when I was writing his biography,

586
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: so many people asked me or assumed that he was bisexual,

587
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: and I felt that if I was going to just

588
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: say no, I don't think he was, well, what basis

589
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: did I have to say that? And I remember talking

590
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: to Ronny McDowell and saying, you know, Roddy, I've I've

591
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: talked to all these people. They've said to me, oh,

592
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: I have absolute proof that your dad was bisexual. And

593
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: then I would follow the bouncing ball to that line

594
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: of whatever the proof was, and there was nothing there.

595
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: You know, he winked at me. He was in a

596
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: gay bar, you know, But I mean, there was no

597
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: nothing that I would call proof. And I was really

598
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: relieved in a way not to find anything, because I

599
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: felt that there was all this focus on what what

600
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: happened versus who my dad was, which was one of

601
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: the most open minded, loving supportive people in UM towards

602
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: gays and lesbians, and at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic,

603
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: he did one of the first, if not the first,

604
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: public service announcements about not being afraid of AIDS at

605
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: a time where most of uh, sort of the bigger

606
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: people associated with Hollywood were, um, we're ignoring it. And

607
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: that's not to say all of them, certainly Elizabeth Taylor

608
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: was doing wonderful stuff. You know, there were many people

609
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: who were, but Ronald Reagan, who was certainly a peer

610
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: of my debts and was the President United States, was

611
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: obviously doing everything he could to ignore it. And that

612
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: is in part what created no support for the AIDS

613
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: epidemic in the public health sector. So, um, it was

614
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: really much more important for me to talk about that,

615
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: which is what I got to talk about. But as

616
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: time went on and people began giving me more information

617
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: which was unsolicited, I wasn't out there looking for it.

618
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: I realized that I had the feeling that I was

619
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: protecting something, and I was uncomfortable with that. I thought,

620
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: what am I protecting? And and I was brought up

621
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: to protect my dad's image all the time to be

622
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: really concerned that um, he he'd be seen in the

623
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: best light. And and so I thought, well, okay, so

624
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: who taught me that? My mom taught me that it

625
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: wasn't really something that my dad cared so much about.

626
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: It was really more how my mom believed that he

627
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: should be seen. So I really started feeling that I

628
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: was acting kind of from a childlike place of fear

629
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: instead of a grown up place of of love. And

630
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: I was on doing a radio interview one day and

631
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: a guy asked me the question, and I just said

632
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: something ing and and it was again that that what

633
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: was much more important to me than than whether my dad,

634
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, had relationships with men and women or not.

635
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: And and although at this point, I'm, you know, fairly sure,

636
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 1: of course I wasn't there, thank god, UM, but you know, I, UM,

637
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: it's certainly something that has been affirmed by other people. UM,

638
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: So in so far as that's something that probably is true,

639
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: I still felt that the most important part of the

640
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: story was that my dad was somebody who went through

641
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: the world was an open heart and an open mind

642
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: and was supportive of everyone. And now I think there's

643
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: so much fluidity, much more fluidity around the idea of

644
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: gender and sexuality anyway. And frankly, I think you would

645
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: have been so much happier in this world. Not happy

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00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: about the political situation, but happier in a world in

647
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: which young people at least are leading the way to

648
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: have so much more open heartedness and how they connect

649
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: with other people, because that's who my dad was. And

650
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: that kind of leads beautifully into my my next question,

651
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Speaker 1: which maybe you've just answered, which is that people who

652
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: never met your father and only know him through his

653
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: films love him like deeply love him even now decades

654
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 1: after his death. And why do you think he even

655
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: when playing villains, people just fell so deeply in love

656
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: with him. It's an interesting thing, isn't it. And I

657
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: you know, this is a man who we started his

658
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: Facebook page less than three years ago and he has

659
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen thousand Facebook likes and just growing.

660
00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: That's incredible, right, And some people who were four are

661
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: far bigger stars than he was during his lifetime, are

662
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: more or less forgotten. And he who who had a

663
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 1: very long career but was by no means the biggest

664
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Speaker 1: of Hollywood stars, has been remembered. I think in part

665
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: it's because his fan base is the horror community. Who

666
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: gets him? Who got him? Who? Really? People are always like, well,

667
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, do you think he regretted being type cast?

668
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: You know, that's giving the idea that horror fans, you know,

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Speaker 1: have no other interests outside of horror. That's not true.

670
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: So they got that he was a renaissance man. They

671
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: got his interest in the arts. They got because the

672
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: horror films are among the most artistic, not you know,

673
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 1: the slasher, blood spurting out ones necessarily, but the gothic

674
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: horror is incredibly artistic and beautiful. And and so here's

675
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: my dad coming out of um that genre and connecting

676
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: with people who of poetry, you know, Edgar Allan Poe

677
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: and um. So I think that it's it's in large

678
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: part due to the horror fans, to whom I will

679
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: always be grateful. But the other thing I think is

680
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: something that I thought might necessary, not necessarily serve him.

681
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, it's too bad that he never

682
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: got to play one of those Dracula Branket Spein type parts,

683
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: a monster, a particular character. But because he really didn't,

684
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: what happened was that he came through all of his parts.

685
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Speaker 1: And I think that what makes people last is when

686
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: there's something beneath they're public persona, a kind of charisma

687
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: and and uh, something in which we are personally interested.

688
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: And I think that shines through his performances. So here's

689
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: this person playing scary people, right. And I think a

690
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: lot of people are drawn to the horror genre because

691
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: it's a way, it's a it's a form of catharsis,

692
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: it's a way of working your your stuff out by

693
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: going into the dark and facing the things you're most

694
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: scared of in handling it and coming out. And here's

695
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Speaker 1: this man who, no matter what he was doing, and

696
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: oh my god, you know, he did a lot of

697
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: horrible things. He made people eat their own poodles for

698
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: having's sake. So here is a man who was doing

699
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: these horrific things and you never could hate him, and

700
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: you always had this sense that he was okay, you know,

701
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: he was not scary. So for anyone who hasn't seen

702
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 1: any of your father's films, which is a shocking concept

703
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: to wrap my head around, but which do you think

704
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: is the best one for a new a newbie to

705
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: start with a horror um? Any of his films? Mm hmm,

706
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: that's a good question. Well, I think he'd have to

707
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: go with something like House of Whack or House on

708
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: Haunted Hill, um, one of those fifties ones, and then

709
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: probably from there maybe the Corman Poe films. Um. But

710
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: those fifties ones are so great and he's so lovely

711
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: evil it's really kind of fabulous. So I think I

712
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: think I've got to go with them. Okay. Uh. And

713
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: then my final question for you, is that your father,

714
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 1: as we've been talking about, has really become a larger

715
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: than life figure and an entertainment icon for a lot

716
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: of people. Is there anything that you wish people knew

717
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: about him that isn't usually mentioned when he has talked

718
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: about I think the thing that interests me most is

719
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: that he understood that celebrity is a currency in our society.

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00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: It is something that really matters in our society, for

721
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: better or for worse. But he understood that an actor's

722
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: public servant. That if you were an actor, you need

723
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 1: your audience to support you. Otherwise you're you're not getting

724
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: paid for your work. And so here is this man

725
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: who understands that, he understands how to keep himself in

726
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: the public eye, and yet what he does with that

727
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: is he uses that to help other people. He understood

728
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: how people regarded him and what they wanted from him,

729
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: and he used that to give back. And I think

730
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: that if we had more of that in our world now,

731
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: it would be an extraordinary thing. I am staying with

732
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: a friend right now, and I've never watched the Voice, uh,

733
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: and she loved the Voice, So I was watching it,

734
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: um and I was really cheered by how supportive and

735
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: excited all the the um the different celebrities singers are

736
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: who come on and work with these young people. And

737
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: that's what my dad did in a very quiet way

738
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: all the time, so he didn't necessarily have to be

739
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: on TV to do it. He would correspond with a

740
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: young person regularly. He would commission an original work of

741
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: art from a young artist. He would send a young

742
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: artist tickets to hear him speak if he was speaking

743
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: in a nearby area. He was constantly in touch with

744
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: young artists and supportive of them pursuing a career in

745
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: the arts. And I wish more people would see that

746
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: their celebrity can be used as a form of philanthropy. Um.

747
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying people don't do that. I mean,

748
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: certainly we hear a lot about people like Angelina Jolie

749
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: and what she's done as a human umanitarian in the world.

750
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: So UM, I'm not saying he was unique in it.

751
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: But he did it because he loved people, and that

752
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: is the best reason to do anything. He did it

753
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: from a pure, open hearted place, and I that is

754
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: the thing I would like people to remember more about

755
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: him than oh he scared me to dad, Although that's

756
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: good too. Yeah, but it's a beautiful example to set

757
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: for the future. Um, Victoria, thank you so much for

758
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: sharing this time with me. I feel so spoiled. Oh

759
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: it was such a pleasure. And honestly, it was so

760
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: fun listening to your questions because I feel like you

761
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: know him as well as I you and that's been

762
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: one of the real gifts for me of what I do.

763
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: I if you had told me when I was younger

764
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: that I would be just, you know, going around talking

765
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: about my dad and I'm in my fifties, I would

766
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: have thought, oh my god, don't you have something better

767
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 1: to do. But the fact of the matter is that

768
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: I get this wonderful, wonderful, um opportunity to share someone

769
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: I love with other people who love him. I mean,

770
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: I love my dog, and you know, nobody's asking me

771
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: to be on their podcast to talk about how much

772
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: I love my dog. And so for me, I feel

773
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: like it's such a gift to love someone so much,

774
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 1: feel that he is so loved by other people, and

775
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: and to get to share that. And it's almost like

776
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: I am part of this big family. We're all out

777
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: of Vincent Price's family, and that you know, so I

778
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: feel like, oh, my god, there you are, and you

779
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: know who he was. You you know things about him

780
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: and and they matter to you, and I just that's

781
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: really really cool to me. It's cool to me too. Um,

782
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: where can people find you? Because I'm sure that they

783
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: will want to hear more of your your writing and

784
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: possibly your lectures as you travel around, So where can they?

785
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely thank you for asking? So, for Vincent Price, we

786
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: have a website which is www. Vincent Price dot com.

787
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: And I have my website which is Victoria Price dot com.

788
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: I think the website that I'm keeping most up with

789
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: is my website, which is Daily Practice of Joy dot com.

790
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: I write a weekly blog about creating a practice of

791
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: joy that's very much inspired by my father, and I

792
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: do go all over the country in the world talking

793
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: about my dad and talking about joy. And I have

794
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: a new book out, Joy that will be coming out

795
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: in the beginning of which I'm I'm really excited about.

796
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: And so I try to keep up on social media

797
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 1: as well. And that's almost easier than keeping the website

798
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: up because I'm kind of a one man band and

799
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: you only have so many hands. So my my personal

800
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: social media for Instagram and Facebook and Twitter and all

801
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: those things. Is one brave life. And my dad very

802
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: appropriately is master of Menace and he's on everything as well, Facebook, Twitter, PINTERESTU, Instagram,

803
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: and I try to post regularly and have a lot

804
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: of fun doing it. Excellent. We will put all of

805
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: that in the show notes as well, so people have

806
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: a handy guide. Thank you, thank you, thank you so

807
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: much for being with us. I can't tell you how

808
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: much I appreciate it. Thank you for having me on

809
00:51:53,520 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: this show. And I can't wait to hear Pupil's response. Okay,

810
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: so I totally fangirled out during that interview, but Victoria

811
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: was incredibly gracious and wonderful, and I could have talked

812
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: with her forever. I am a fan of hers almost

813
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: as much as I am of her father's. I have

814
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: read her book, of course, but also her blog for

815
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: some time. She's just a really lovely writer, and she

816
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: examines the world in a way that is very enlightening.

817
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: I think, so if you're interested in learning more about

818
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: Vincent Price's life, her book is a very thorough and

819
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: very honest biography, and it weaves Vincent's own writing and

820
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: accounts from other people into the narrative, so it's really

821
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: quite rich. She originally wrote that in six years after

822
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: Vincent Price died, but a new edition of it came

823
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: out in His life was so full of unique experiences

824
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: that it's really easy to see how he truly lived

825
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: by one of his most famous quotes, which was a

826
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: man who limits his interests limits his life. So thank

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00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,959
Speaker 1: you once again to Victoria Price for being so wonder

828
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: full and sharing so many stories about her father's life.

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Speaker 1: We will include all of those links that she mentioned

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00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: in the show notes. Uh. And now I will do

831
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Speaker 1: a very brief listener mail because this episode is running

832
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: super long. Um. This one is from our listener G. S. Denning,

833
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: who sent us a book. Uh and rites. Dear Holly

834
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: and Tracy. I have been a listener and fans since

835
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: twn and I just caught up to the Salt Lake

836
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: Comic Con historical fiction podcast. Oh it made me guilty.

837
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: Remember when the authors talked about what a rich vein

838
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: history podcasts were and how you were the underappreciated curators

839
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: of their content. Well, in twelve I started writing a

840
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: goofy nerdy Sherlock Holmes send off based in late Victorian London.

841
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: The whole time I was listening to your podcast, mining

842
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: you guys for inspiration and fun snippets from history that

843
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,479
Speaker 1: I could incorporate and lampoon. I got a lot of them.

844
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: Things went well. I sold that book and it's out

845
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: in stores now. What I did not do is thank

846
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: you as you deserve and closed you will find a

847
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: copy of my book, Warlock Holmes, a Study in Brimstone,

848
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: and closed in that you will find a ton of

849
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: previous podcast topics from racial information mine from your episode

850
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: on Pablo Funk to the Gunpowder plot to cameos by

851
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Blackwell and Emperor Norton. You guys have been with

852
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: me all the way. Hell Hound of the Baskervilles is

853
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: due out next May, and the year after that book three,

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00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 1: by which time I'll have recycled material from your episodes

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Speaker 1: on the Great Stink Boudica, Ned Kelly, Victorian Albert, the

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Speaker 1: Wedding Traditions episode. Thank you for setting me right on

857
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 1: that wretched take, the Potato Famine, the Luddites, the Opium Wars,

858
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: and accused by a ghost. At least it is a

859
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: lonely thing to write a book. Imagine yourself as a

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Speaker 1: that life. Uh. Now, imagine Star Wars was never released

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Speaker 1: So I'm letting you know. Thank you, G. S. Denning. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And we got a book along with this, so I

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Speaker 1: and then I will hand it off to Tracy, because

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Speaker 1: again I am selfish. Thank you so much for sharing that.

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Speaker 1: That was such a sweet letter and it made me

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