WEBVTT - Episode 38: X-Men: The Animated Series 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:13.880 You know, I'm gonna just before you introduced, before we 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:16.720 do anything, before we even say anything past what I'm 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:20.079 saying right now, I'm gonna just hit this track because 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:24.040 if you read the title and got excited, this is 0:00:24.079 --> 0:01:01.040 all you really want to hear. X Men. WHOA, that 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.120 was heat And I did the slow fade just to 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:06.920 make an extra dramatic. Uh yeah, that was the theme 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:09.759 for X Men. And look, when I get famous enough 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.080 to just make stuff happen, I just want to do 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.920 the orchestral version of that because you hear the like 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:22.520 digitized you know, harps and violins and that and dings 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:24.760 and dances like I need to hear the real I 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:28.920 need the band on that analog. Oh my gosh. That that. 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.360 And I was thinking about themes just this week before 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:35.320 even doing this podcast, because the Spider Man theme was 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:39.800 pretty that one was pretty good. Spiner Man, spinder Man 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:42.160 now and on a nail. And I'm gonna save that 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:45.120 for when we do the Spider Man TV episode. You 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.880 gotta for now. You just gotta take my word for it. 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.800 Uh So, yeah, today we're back. It's your boy, if 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.600 you way the way, It's Ner Difficent and we have 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:58.920 our guest host back again. You heard his voice already, 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:03.920 so you know who it is is, Ed Grazzy. Yeah, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:08.280 thank you so much, Ed, garyer here on the Nervous podcast. 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.440 This is great. This is a great occurrence. I know 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.200 people are jazzed out of the last episode. Thank you 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:17.440 all for the kind words, and thank you for Ed 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:21.520 finding the time to make it with us. Danny, she's 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:25.440 a busy bee. She's been out here filming long hours, 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:33.239 working hard, and me doing nothing. I see you working high. 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.760 But yeah, so I'm glad you could sit down with us, 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:39.040 and you know, especially just that that vibe we had 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.960 going for Miles. I was really excited to talk to 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:45.320 you about the X Men TV series, which you know, 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:49.120 let's cut right to it. This isn't the the X 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.880 Men like history, this is just the TV series, mostly 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.520 because one if I was going to do the full 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:59.360 x Men, Danny would want to be here too, because 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:01.480 the t V series is a great place to start, 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:03.360 because that's I feel like that's where a lot of 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:07.520 people are age started with. X Men was the TV series. 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:10.720 And I've already said this on past episodes, how the 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:14.680 TV series did a real good job of covering actual 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:18.240 events from the comic books and putting it on TV, 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:20.560 and I feel like you don't get that with comic 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:23.799 book shows now. They kind of build their own stories 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:26.920 and sometimes even feel like they're in a separate universe. Yeah, 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:29.120 if it does feel like they think that the comic 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.360 book stories aren't good enough for the Like boy, boy 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.080 iron fist, I'm looking at you, I'm looking I'm looking 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.280 at a lot of stuff, even to a certain extent, 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:39.960 you know what I'm saying, hot take, even to a 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:43.120 certain extent that new young Punisher. I really felt like 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.840 if you did more of him killing slavers and stuff, 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.240 dudes like me who like him been down. So yeah, 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:53.200 but this X Men show, they really I think they 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.880 did almost like a primer for like the m c U. 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.120 Oh yeah, so you picked some of the best stuff 0:03:58.120 --> 0:03:59.800 in an ultimates, best stuff out of the six ones, 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.080 cause I made a nice little gumbo that tastes good 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:05.560 for billions of billions of dollars. So I think this 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.000 was the man for for an outside company to come 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.480 in and see these characters dis fresh and do them 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.320 this well. Boy oh yeah, Well you could just tell 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.760 that it was a company that cherished the source material 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.080 and this is another thing that I say again and 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:22.920 again like a broken record, but whenever you see an adaptation, 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.800 the only way it can be good is when the 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.200 source material is respected and revered by the person who's 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.320 making it. Once again, you know, some people love it. 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.000 I don't hate it, you know. But the first live 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:39.080 action Batman movie we got, Tim Burton never even read 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.680 Batman because he just did his thing and it had 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.919 the best and I think he did pretty well for 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:47.040 someone who did not do it, because dragon Ball Evolution 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:48.919 was made by someone who didn't want dragon Ball, and 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.680 that was just I mean, the very the very first 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:55.680 Batman movie that we were treated to. Besides some of 0:04:55.680 --> 0:05:00.479 the bogies, I'm chaking my fist at my radio, but 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:04.200 basically one of the it was almost like somebody It's 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.880 like that old parable of the three blind dudes who 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.200 touched the elephant and one of them touched the touch 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.080 the trunk, it says it's a big snake, and one 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:12.760 of them touched the legs that's a pillar, and one 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:14.919 of them touched the whatever, and they all have this 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:17.960 different seeing of it, right to like Tim Burton like 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:21.480 looked at the very very very surface, the very black, 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:25.120 dark Night got it and and did a movie that, 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.080 even with just that amount of information, really did it 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.800 pretty decent. Yeah yeah, I really and I you know, 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:35.320 I I really do still think his Batmobile was really 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:37.640 I liked it. I still to this day, I was like, 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:41.320 you nailed that. Batmobile is still one of my favorite batmobiles, 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:45.640 and I think it is I think the best one 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.400 that has been on the silver screen. I mean it is. 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:52.960 It is the Cadillac of bab Bobile. Of course, the 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.680 dude from Compain is gonna love the Cadillac of batmore. 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:58.240 But I mean, like you had the Tumbler, which eventually 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.599 did grow on me, but it was like, like it 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:05.279 was very much man, this is a whole I know 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.599 we're talking to X men, but there's a whole story 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:12.359 where you can really see what the creators going for 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.040 in their Batman based off the Batmobile because you look 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:20.120 at this like elegant, dark, sexy Batmobile. That's kind of 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.000 how you can kind of describe the first Batman because 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.719 when you got you know, the latex catwoman and like 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.800 just like they really ramped up the sex and her 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:34.000 and then you have you know, the functional realistic tumbler. 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.560 Yea like almost like realistically ugly, Like I think that 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:41.159 if Christopher Nolan was a fashion photographer, he'd spray on 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:43.200 acne on the ladies and stuff, you know what I mean, 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.040 you just do something to dirty it up, because he 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.360 thinks that real is an't aesthetic to aspire to very 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.560 much so, and that's and that was his Batman was 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:55.000 very realistic, but well as far as far as um 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:56.880 as far as the X Men go, though, when you 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.200 look at how realistic it is to try to put 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.279 seven the dang years of Cannon into a cartoon, you know, 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.080 at that time, at point at that point, you know, 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:08.960 like almost forty you know what I mean, trying to 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:11.880 discover how you're going to characterize all these characters, and 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.760 you know, there are certain shortcuts, like I remember Wolf 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:18.240 Lady death Strike was was in was in the series, 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:19.640 and he and she was more of like a lover 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.760 of Wolverine. Little changes like that that would make it 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.040 more engaging for an audience that hadn't read a thousand books. 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.800 But more the most part, like you said, keep into 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.920 the source material, so just to go down the the 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.920 bullet points as always. X Men also known as X Men, 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:40.280 the animated series or X Men, the TV series is 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:44.160 an American animated television show and a debuted in on 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:48.080 Halloween of what a weird day to debut a cartoon, 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.040 you know, the the day that the kids are most 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:54.400 likely going to be out. Let's let's debut a cartoon 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:59.320 and uh debut on the Fox Kids network. That was 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.280 four years after I was born. Now, yeah, I nailed it. 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:07.760 I'm usually not good at quick man. But X Men 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:11.040 was Marvel comics second attempt to add an animated TV show, 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:15.760 and it was after the pilot X Men. Pride spelled 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:21.280 pr I tried to like pronounce it differently. It was 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.960 very weird, but it spelled p r I d E 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:29.040 Y Kitty Pride. Yeah, and it wasn't picked up. So 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.120 but this this one was a smash Yet. Well, I 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:35.440 mean it seems like when you find the right team, 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.920 you know, things can happen, especially with Marvel properties. Back 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.959 then they didn't quite have all this control that we 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.640 envisioned them having. Right now, that kind of you're kind 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.760 of giving your baby up to a bunch of doing 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:54.400 to Korea. You're just like, let's try. Yeah. So, when 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.440 Margaret Loach became the head of the Fox Children's network, 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.640 which basically is the you know, Fox Kids. She was 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.040 the one who was kind of champion the pride of 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.120 X Men pilot back in nine, which is when they 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.000 tried to do it, which I'd love to see that, 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.960 you know, I want to know what the nineteen eighty 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.920 nine X Men animated series was versa. You know, they 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:19.920 had that animated movie where where Wolverine sounded Australian as 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:24.719 hell Man Mike on wolver Raine, you know. And it's 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:29.840 funny because before like comic books became this thing everyone 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.000 was aware of and paying attention to. I can see 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.040 how like someone would look at Wolverine go oh, that 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:38.880 dude's definitely austral They couldn't see Canada. It's so funny 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.240 that Wolverine is from Canada when he's such a hardcore 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:43.840 dude and Canadian is supposed to be so nice. Oh yeah, 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:48.040 It's like, I know, that is so funny. It's like, yeah, no, 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.839 that's it. And also I found it funny that they 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.679 did do the voice work and Canada. Yeah, they did 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.280 a bunch of voice work in Canada, and I think 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:00.679 that's funny. They cast a whole cat like I'm a 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:04.680 in a gambit in Canada. Hey Canadians, can you do 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:10.040 this casion accent? Oh? Man, that's so funny. H So, 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:14.360 Sabon Entertainment was the one who was contracted to produce 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.680 the show and ended up hiring the small studio Grass 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.240 Entertainment to produce the episodes because they didn't have staff 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.680 at the time to really do in house production. And 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:27.560 the Grass employed the creative staff wrote and designed each episode, 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.760 andrew the storyboards, and then the voice work was done using, 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.840 like you said, the Canadian actors, and it was a 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:37.520 Canadian in South Korean studio called a Calm Oh yeah, 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:40.040 and they were the ones actually animated the episodes after 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.680 looking at the storyboards from the Grass team. Yeah, exactly. 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:45.560 So you remember when I was being real funny about 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:47.480 it dropping on Halloween and we got a little more 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.800 info on that it was originally set to premiere over 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:51.760 Labor Day weekend, which sounds like it makes a lot 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:55.560 more sense, right, But they had some production delays and 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:57.760 that's why I got pushed through the end of October, 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.800 and when they turned in the first episode to contain 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:05.319 hundreds of animation errors which ACoM refused to fix. Uh, 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.720 that's that's such a baldy move where it's like you 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.160 you messed it up and you're like, nah, yeah, now 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.040 you told me, well, we're supposed to be black and 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:17.080 have a mohawk. I did it that way. You know, 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:22.240 that's supposed to be storm storm na on this. I 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.760 was gonna say email, but was email popping like that 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.200 back then? It had to be. It had to be. 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:31.600 I'm crazy. Well at this highest levels of the animation, 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.320 maybe it was. But yeah, so, but they had delays 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.840 and a bunch of errors across the first two episodes 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.200 I think, right, yeah, And the second episode ended up 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.920 being turned in like right before the deadline with fifty 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:47.720 scenes missing, a fifty whole scenes missing, so they only 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.640 had a day for editing, and they kept running into issues, 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:55.480 and Fox eventually, and honestly, hearing the story much too late, 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:57.319 kind of put their foot down and said that they're 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.000 all just canceled the contracts if they don't get it right. 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:02.640 So then they re air at the pilot in early 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.800 and all the errors were corrected and it was history 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.160 from there. Like it's funny. It's like, Oh, all they 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.240 had to do was be like we'll fire you. Oh 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.920 wait a minute, Okay, okay, well we do need a job, 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.120 so I'll take the mohawk off the Canadian guy. Yeah, yeah, 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.680 I guess, and we'll we'll see what we could do. Do. 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:22.199 I have to erase the lightning coming out of his 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.079 close though, because the people in the studio I thought 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:27.040 that was pretty dope. Now that has to go back 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.760 to But yeah, through the whole series run, the producers 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.679 had to deal with like those same quality control issues 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.200 because people kept trying to cut costs and then eventually 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.120 people were trying to change the tone of the series 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.120 to something more child friendly and you know, trying to 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:43.360 find a way to get toys to sell on the show, 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:45.440 which is like, oh, you want to sell toys, just 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.360 keep doing the show like that. That seems like the 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:52.120 easiest one, but that's a that's an interesting one, right there, 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.560 just be trying to make it child friendly because that 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:57.959 was like one of the big things I feel about 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.559 X Men was it was it was afraid to just 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:06.320 you know, treat its audience as a mature group of 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.000 people and just give you these stories. And we think 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:10.800 about that a lot, and that's why it's so funny 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.520 to see now where uh, you know, people will see 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.040 like the Regular Show and Adventure Times and be like, oh, 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.160 cartoons are so crazy now, and then you know, you know, 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:20.920 back in mind it was like what are you talking about? 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.440 Like X Men was like a straight up it was 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:27.360 a whole show built around allegory for racism. You know. Well, yeah, 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:29.960 And I also think that what's funny about the X 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.440 Men show as far as how we metabolize it as 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.000 they are kind of teen problems, you know what I mean, 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.319 They're they're teen problems that that little kids were like 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.000 trying to understand. Like there's a love triangle with the 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.920 Jean Gray and and and and cyclaps and Wolverine. There's uh, 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.640 the flirtation between Gambit and uh and Rogue. Yes, you 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:50.880 know what I mean, there's a lot of things that 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.679 like teens would relate to. Yeah, just that just to 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.160 focus on the Gavitt and Rogue too. That's a very 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.480 mature because you know, you have the love triangle, which 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:03.000 is a mature war relationship. But nothing's more mature than 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:07.679 I feel like that classic Rogue Gambit one because it's 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:11.040 the situation of like even if they did want to 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:15.920 pursue a relationship, they couldn't because rogues powers would murder gambit. Well, 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.440 I mean, and that's just as a kid when you're 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:21.400 just learning about sex to be like dang, I think 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.840 they should have did that when like a sex ad, 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.160 you know that there's some women that will take your soul, 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:31.320 some women I know that' that'd be the weirdest sex 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:33.560 ed where it's that'd be like a story Southern sex 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:35.000 ad where they just blame it all on the woman, 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:39.160 real eve status stuff. There's a real ruinous But the 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.040 bottom line is like it was a golden opportunity to 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:43.960 trick kids and to think that they're gonna lose their 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:48.120 powers if they if they have prepared and they wasted it. 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.360 They wasted it. They could have done so much more 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:53.440 of all the myths. You know what I'm saying, marijuana 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.200 is addictive, you know, all these different myths they dropped 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.160 on us. They could have did that one and maybe 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.760 saying some lives. So as far as the show goes, 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.960 they featured the X Men with the nineties look. I 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.840 feel like that's important to add because because because that 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:11.480 is a very specific look which ended up having that 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:16.320 yellow suit wolverine that hasn't went anywhere since since the 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:19.960 since it came in until like I liked brown suit, 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.480 brown suit Wolvey. Well, what was funny was he very 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:25.280 very first came out in the yellow suit and it 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:28.000 was almost like Daredevil's weird yellow suit. But it's like, 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.640 this is so ugly and weird, and these tiger stripes. 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.120 You're not a tiger, You're wolf. Wolvers don't have weird 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.440 tiger stripes. This whole thing doesn't make sense. You got 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:40.640 blue gloves, like just like stupid. And then and then 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.040 he kind of went to this really cool, like uh 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:47.280 Ninja Peladin muted color scheme with the brown and the 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:51.360 yellow brown and the tawny like a lion's color, and 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:53.280 the and the and the comic books and stuff. But yeah, 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.840 by the time that Jim Lee started drawing it again, 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:58.680 I mean Jim Lee can make any uniform look good. 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.400 Oh yeah, and know he was like He's like, no, 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:06.680 I like this weirdness. It's all about me. Jim Lee's 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:10.560 He's phenomenal. He's his footprints, footprints, he's stepping all over 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:14.200 the pages, his his fingerprints are all over this. Oh yea, 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:19.120 Because it definitely was kind of just borrowing from his 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:23.240 era of X Men and I got I gotta say, 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:27.560 being like a nineties kid, quote unquote, is you you 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.720 just love Jim Lee. It's all about the lines, you know, 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.160 lines on lines onlines, and the kids who are the 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:36.480 kids like me who are really into like I was 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.080 really into inking and I was like, yeah, man, you 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:43.400 guys don't appreciate Scott Williams all those little tick marks. Baby, 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:47.400 give me more tick marks. That means it's really there. 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.440 Even though it looks hella two D now you look 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:54.320 at and stuff generally just don't get it twisted. But like, yeah, 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:56.280 Jim Lee even said when he was designing a couple 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.480 of toys that it was revealed to him that he 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:01.640 draws hella two D. Like he doesn't draw three D. 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:03.520 He draws two D. He draws for a two D medium. 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:07.320 He's his Artsts have been ever heard that story of 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:11.760 how Jim Lee basically his parents were Korean obviously, and 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.359 his parents were like, yeah, man, you're gonna but you're 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.280 gonna be a doctor and all that jazz, and he's like, oh, 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.800 I'm not going to And basically he took he took 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:22.000 some years off of college and he ran on the 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.879 beach and drew comics all day. When he was running 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:28.760 on the beach, he would be like burn Miller Claire, 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.280 running like like like thinking of the type of person 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.199 he was going to be in comics and and his 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.119 body in shape too, and then he would sit for 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.359 like ten hours and draw comics and submit his packages 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:41.080 and stuff. And that's how he got in. That's awesome. So, 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:44.120 like you had to have his designs be that integral 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.159 to the company that they through a third party you 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.120 know what I'm saying to something like through through third 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:53.040 party transmission, his design still lasted. That's some heavy duty stuff. 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.040 Oh man, I mean, but that's that's what happens when 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.520 you want it that bad, you know, but you're just 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.440 like I need this, so then you just become the best. 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.600 But specifically, what we're talking about in the Gym Lie 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.800 era is the Blue team, which I guess we can 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.280 talk about the Blue and the Gold team. Yeah, which 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.280 one was Classes on it. It It looks like a fake 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:18.080 nerd right now, but I loved I loved Classes as anything. 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:23.880 I loved him throwing people. That was my fastball special. Yeah. Yeah, 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.720 that is going to be the gold team because the 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:31.680 Blue team is Cyclops team, which had Wolverine, Rogue, Storm Beast, Gambit, Jubilee, 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:40.119 Jean Gray, and Professor X, as well as morph this 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.080 this is on the show. Let me get the this 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.480 is on the show. Let me get the actual Blue team, 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:50.320 because I know more we got to talk about. We're 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:54.080 gonna talk about more, because that that is something. Even 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:58.760 with the second not as popular animated series X Men Evolution, 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:03.040 they had fun just adding a new character that everyone 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:05.920 made fun of. And I remember in high school. This 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.480 is that. Yeah, because high schools when Evolution came out. 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:10.720 And the reason I remember is because I think it 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.440 had to be like it had to be like seventh 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:18.800 or sixth grade. I was going in on on Spike, 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:22.679 who was there made up character, and man, this teacher 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:24.960 I think it was like I forget his name, but 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:28.000 he looked like Eric Banat and he got so mad. 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:31.040 He was like, he's like, Spike is actually a good character, 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.400 and he's trying to tell me why. I was like, look, 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:36.240 of course, you who look like Eric Banat is gonna 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:40.760 wanna stand for the weirdo character. Oh man, he's gonna 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:43.000 never listen to this. I was gonna say, he's gonna 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:46.080 listen to this. And so why. I don't know. He 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:48.800 was a nerd, so he might be like, oh, well, 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:51.960 he'd be very happy with how you turned out from 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:55.240 a little little jerk. Yeah. Yeah, he's like, I guess 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:59.720 you put that dork nerdiness to good use. So yeah, 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:02.960 So was it was that basically that Blue team who 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:06.240 came through, and yes, Colossus was on the Gold team. 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:11.440 But you know, you're you're saying how much you hate Morph. 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:15.800 We went into it, We touched on it with you 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:19.040 know how it was with Spike. Let's really jump into 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:29.399 it after the break and welcome back to nerdificent. That 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:32.919 was I think that was the most lax, you know, 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:36.320 lead into that break we've had. We were like, let's 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:40.720 just do five out rows. But yeah, back with Ed Greer, 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:44.199 we're talking X Men, the animated series, and you know, 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:46.879 they added once. So for the most part, the cast 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.840 consisted of what was known as a Blue Team at 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:51.760 the time, but we did go ahead and add an 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:56.360 extra character based off of change Link called Morph, which well, 0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:59.280 but you know what's interesting about that. I do think 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:04.720 that the X Men even Morph is something that is 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:08.919 serious to X Men lore, because the X Men really 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:11.440 get off on the fact that like they can die, 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:13.480 you know what I mean, even though they've come back 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:15.120 a bunch of times in the comic books. We're talking 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.600 about the show, but everybody knows how often they come back. 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:19.119 In the comic books, all of them seem to have 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:21.000 been been killed at some point and come back or 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:23.760 been changed a little little versions of themselves or something 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:26.439 of that nature. But for the show, I think it 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:29.840 is important to show, in like a team setting, that 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:31.840 that yeah, we're all a bunch of kids doing a 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:34.119 bunch of high fluting adventures and they're fun and all, 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:36.680 but we can die. So they always put some extra 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:38.720 person like James Proud Star in the original you know, 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:41.880 giant size I mean, yeah, giant size X Men, somebody 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.000 that can die to show how dangerous the X Men 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:46.879 situation is. And I think Morph is another and a 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:49.800 long line of X Men just like red Shirts. Basically, 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:56.080 Oh my gosh, what's so funny? Is you know? I 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:59.159 I was just kind of looking up pictures of Morph 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:02.640 to to just look and I was like, oh yeah, 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:05.399 I totally did forget about this guy. And the first 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:07.919 thing I find my search is this Sci Fi Wire 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:12.040 article that's titled why Morph was the best character of 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:16.200 the X Men animated series. Well, do you know click 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:23.600 bait Reign Supreme? Yeah? Oh man, that seems really click 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:25.960 bitey to me, like because everybody who clicks on that 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:30.000 article wants to fight the person. That's the move. That's 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:32.680 how you do it, you know, like come fight me. 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:36.000 So we're talking about X Man and we're talking about how, 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:38.840 you know, kind of like teed off the the m 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:41.000 c U. Which is a good way to kind of 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:44.560 I like doing a call back into a segway because 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:47.720 I might as well just force it because that's super force. 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:50.000 But I'm gonna call back into a seguay. But when 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:53.280 you were talking about how it was the beginning of 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:56.040 the m c U, you we did have some crossovers 0:22:56.080 --> 0:23:00.000 because we're talking about the Spider Man series. How there 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:02.480 were there was that crossover they had with the Spider 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:05.480 Man series. We had like Spider Man had to pick teams. 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.879 He first he needed some help with some mutations or something, 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:11.520 and then they had some kind of adventure where we 0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:13.639 had to pick pick a team of heroes and he 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:16.480 picked Storm, which you know, what's what's great about it. 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:19.399 If if I might break into this when you're a 0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:21.280 little kid looking at X men even in these in 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:23.720 these shows, you always try to identify one. It was like, 0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:26.679 you know, pick your turtle, you know what type of 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:29.800 style and and so who who did you identify with? 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:31.840 Like we're talking about just a show, who is your 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:34.640 who is your person? Where you're just like men, yeah, 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:36.480 a little, a little if he's putting on a putting 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:39.879 some knives in his hands, or it was Wolverine, like 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:42.440 that's that's what's so funny about me. And I think 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:45.320 that's why I go so hard on like Vegeta heads. 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:49.960 It is because because like I was like the Wolverine character, 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:51.800 and I feel like the same type of person who 0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:54.480 loves Wolverine is the same type of person who loves 0:23:55.240 --> 0:23:57.520 Vegeta because they're like, you know, he's like the bad 0:23:57.600 --> 0:23:59.560 dude and he does what he wants and he's like 0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:02.800 edge and that's why I like him. And I feel 0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:05.760 like that's the same thing for Veginta. Everyone's like, oh, 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:09.280 he has like character progression, you know he's but really 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:11.800 it's like he was bad, now he's good. That's the 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:15.440 character progression. Oh he loves his daughter, that's a character progression. 0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:17.679 And then Goku is the dumb guy because he's like 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:20.680 loves to fight, and he's one note and goes, yeah, 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:24.720 he's he's written into that box. That's true. But like 0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:27.920 he always I think the one thing everyone's like, oh, 0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:30.080 Goku this, this, and it's and it's fun to have 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.080 this conversation without Danny here to interrupt and try and 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:39.960 put her two cents in. But she'll have some good points, 0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:43.760 but they're a vein yeah, they're all that. She is 0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:45.879 such a Vegita stand. I'm a Goku stand. But I 0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:48.959 just like the concept of the idea of like always 0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:51.520 giving someone a chance, like like, look, I don't want 0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:54.040 to have to body you, like we could be friends. 0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:57.760 We can use this energy to be better. But you 0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:01.280 know I will if I have to. Well, yeah, I 0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:03.120 mean as far as as far as Wolverine, I think 0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:05.040 he was a big, a big stand. Like I said, 0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:07.359 when I was a kid, I was a little chagrined 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:10.359 that they didn't do a bunch of Colossus on the 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:13.040 on the X Men show, because like that was my guy. 0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:16.119 Like I just liked this purity of heart and it 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:17.560 was like one of those characters. It was the first 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:19.399 time I knew that I was rooting for somebody that 0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:23.240 I was not, like, yeah, I am not like that 0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:26.280 at all. I wish I was like that, dude, I'm 0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:28.679 not like him at all. But on the team, I 0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:31.080 think the only person I think I just rooted against 0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:37.520 Gambit yeah as far as yeah, to take it back, 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:39.800 I have to take it back. It wasn't Wolverine. I 0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:43.119 was a Gambit stand. I thought he was so cool, 0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:45.919 like he always was getting the ladies. He was like, 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:48.640 you know he had those cards. He was like, look, 0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:51.440 I was a huge It looked like if the Church 0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:55.960 Cot Mafia went to Raves, you know what. Look, I 0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:59.280 was all about it, and like I think I said 0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:01.199 this before. I was all about gamm it until he 0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:03.919 started getting bodied and Marvel Versus Cap coming, I was like, 0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:07.040 I gotta find a new faith when that, you know, 0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:09.159 because you know you want to when you play a 0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:11.160 game like Marvel versus Cap come, You're like, I want 0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:13.720 to pick my face, and when your face is getting 0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:17.800 bodied by everyone else, That's what when I used to 0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:20.239 play with on a sports note, when I played two 0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:22.240 K with like teams that aren't good right now, but 0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:24.560 I really like them, Like you learn how the tips 0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:26.560 and tricks start beating people and then they're just like, man, 0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:30.120 you're cheating, not just know my players. Dog. A fun 0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:34.480 fact about the crossovers they were doing was the storyline 0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:37.479 where like the Beyonder and Madam Webb or getting Spider 0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:41.520 Man to lead like the heroes on an adventure, which 0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:44.000 basically the one you were talking about with Storm. The 0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:46.240 reason they wanted it to have all the X Men, 0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:48.800 but they didn't do it because transporting the cast to 0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:52.080 Los Angeles, where Spider Man was done from Canada was 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:55.680 too expensive, so they had to like just pick it, 0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:58.160 just like them trying to get there. Also tryings playing 0:26:58.240 --> 0:26:59.560 out of the Bill stuff, but they're just making a 0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:04.320 bunch of that that's my flight, like, oh my gosh. Yeah, 0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:06.879 so they so they just got it. Uh And and 0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:09.560 basically Storm lived in Los Angeles, so just was a 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:15.720 no brainer. And yeah that's uh And and Hoke and 0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:17.800 she Hulk, you know they they were in the incredible 0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:21.480 Hulk animated series, but because it was on the rival 0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:25.439 network up N, they couldn't do a crossover. Um and 0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:27.920 I think this was before the underpay Negro Rose era. 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:33.919 You people's network, that's what you like. I always uh my, 0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:37.200 my mom always called the underpaid Negro. I would there 0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:39.879 you go. That's the different different forms of humor about 0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:44.560 that situation that you ben man. The people who either 0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:47.040 never had up n or didn't like grow up in 0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:50.000 the US are gonna be like, what what are they 0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:52.679 talking about? It was it was a CW before the 0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:55.240 c W. Yeah it was, and imagine the CW, but 0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:59.200 it's all black sitcoms for some reason. Yeah, Homeboys and 0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:01.879 Outer Space. I'm just leave it right there. I'm just 0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:06.359 leaving right there. But as far as speaking of Homeboys 0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:08.480 and out of Space, it seems like that the X 0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:10.399 Men didn't go to space to like the third season. 0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:12.199 It seems like they were they were kicking it on 0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.359 Earth for a little bit. Oh yeah, and that's a 0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:17.479 you know, that's something I get real hyped about. Uh 0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:20.240 and I think we mentioned it on a previous episode, 0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:25.800 the difference between like, you know, street level uh Marvel characters, 0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:29.399 your your world level Marvel characters, and then your cosmic level. 0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:32.640 And and you know, if you did see this, you're 0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:34.600 probably one of the main people who got hyped at 0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:38.080 that in sneak peak at the end of Guardians of 0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:42.680 the Galaxy because because that's that's really what introduced you know, 0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:45.800 Gladiator when he came into the picture, and then we 0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:50.040 started getting some Phoenix stuff too. Yeah, gosh. Well, and 0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:52.680 the and the thing is I always loved when the 0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:55.560 X Men went to space. You talked about that street 0:28:55.640 --> 0:29:00.000 level slash, you know, Massachusetts level slash, your Madhatt level slash, 0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:03.360 world level, and then cosmic. The X Men to me, 0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:06.719 were the first people from Earth to go into space 0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:09.960 and do major damage, you know what I mean, they 0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:13.360 kind of went, especially with the whole ru Empire situation. 0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:17.360 You know, uh, Professor X girlfriend taking him to space 0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:19.560 and they're having some space adventures, getting involved in her 0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:22.920 empire adventures. All that kind of stuff really showed me that, like, 0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:26.080 these guys each have like one power, but all together 0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:29.560 they're a cosmic entity almost like they can have an 0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:31.960 effect on an interstellar war. They can. I think that's 0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:33.400 the whole thing about the X Men that a lot 0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:37.240 of people keyed on was like, especially like loners like me. 0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:39.000 I was like, damn, I wish I had a squad. 0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:43.520 Yeah yeah, yeah, And you're right, because like it was 0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:48.720 the thing where their powers were kind of immense and 0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:52.600 oftentimes written to be weaker than what like on paper, 0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:55.000 they actually are like if you like, that's the X 0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:59.720 Men classic conversations like okay, now O level gambit? Yeah yeah. 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.280 Which one of the things to let people like sleep 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:07.160 on is that Iceman is an Omega level mutant. Like, 0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:10.280 and I feel like Iceman got a lot of crap 0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:12.640 for some time where he's like, oh, you just you 0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:14.040 could do the ice. He was like, well, he can 0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:17.720 literally turn the atmosphere to ice, like that's how strong 0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:20.640 he is. But they never explore that, except they did 0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:24.280 have one comic where they have to kill Iceman. I 0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:29.680 think because he goes bad it's super hard. Yeah, well, 0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:31.760 I mean as far as as far as the X 0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:33.800 Men goes, I mean each of their powers. I like 0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:35.960 the fact that, like when they break them up into 0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:38.880 factions and they make them in the sub teams. Part 0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:41.800 of I think Professor X would really like to play 0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:44.960 Madden or Clash of Clans or something, you know what 0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.440 I mean, Like, I think he'd really love that type 0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:49.200 of stuff because it's like, all right, I got my tank, 0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:51.280 I got this guy, I got you know, I got 0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:54.200 Wolverine to get shot up, a beast to jump around 0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:58.880 like some pain. But yeah, I think I think It's 0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:02.560 interesting that, like X Men's whole style throughout the series 0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:04.400 and the com books and everything, they take on things 0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:06.480 that could beat up a whole team. I think that's 0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:11.000 also interesting. They hardly ever run into some sort of 0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:14.600 They run into teams a lot, but the offer just 0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:19.080 run into some dude Magneto, I'll take you all out, Juggernaut, 0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:21.560 I'll take you'll all out. Oh yeah. And I think 0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:25.400 it is the funny perfect beef of like Wolverines hate 0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:27.480 for Magneto, where it's like, oh, you want to fight 0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:31.960 the one dude, embody you easily, like the one dude. 0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:35.520 It was like it would be if like Superman wanted 0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:38.600 to fight Kryptonite Man all the time. It's like, this 0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:41.560 is the one guy who like he really has no 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:43.520 problem with you. But that's the guy you want to 0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:47.000 just go wild. Oh dude, that But that's Wolverine's personality 0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:49.720 so much. It's like he's always trying to fight. Basically, 0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:51.800 you're trying to mac on the girl who can hear 0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:55.320 your thoughts, right, You're trying to take her from a 0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:57.400 dude who could blast you from hell of far away. 0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:01.640 You got you, sure, you got short arms, Sure had 0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:05.760 to box the cyclaus you know what I mean, He's 0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:08.960 just he's just he's a runt to the core, which 0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:10.640 is why I kind of do like Wolverine. And I 0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:12.640 think that's why a lot of people like him though, 0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:15.680 because he is like almost this underdog who is like 0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:19.840 his his his superpower amongst being like, you know, an 0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:24.560 adamantium coded claw guy, which is like, let's let's just 0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:28.680 reverse it back, because like a lot of people oftentimes 0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:33.160 stakenly say, like, oh, Wolverine's power is adamantinium clausets like, No, 0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:38.520 his power is bone claws and regeneration. They were coated 0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:41.200 in animatium, and that's your I'm actually you can take 0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:45.360 with you to work and drop anywhere you like. Also, 0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:47.640 they're not a power because there's been several times when 0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:51.160 Wolverine has been bound or some sort of situation where 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:54.040 they turned off his mutant powers and he just pops 0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:56.880 his claws, you know what I mean. Because and what 0:32:57.160 --> 0:32:59.440 was hilarious though, because if you, if somebody wanted to, 0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:02.760 will actually trace busta bust to you on that. It's 0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:05.320 like back in my day when I was a kid, 0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:07.400 it seems like they had that they were supposedly in 0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:11.080 bionic housings in his forearms that make them pop out, 0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:12.760 and that's why they would always work. But if you 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:16.520 nified somebody's mutant abilities, could that limit them from tensing 0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:18.720 their muscles or whatever that would pop out the clause 0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.160 nerd talk, But like but yeah, you know what I mean, 0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:22.520 there's all that kind of stuff that you get into 0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:25.280 with Wolverine and with I used to love when they 0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:29.000 would have um um Storm fight people because like, if 0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:31.480 you think about it, Yeah, she's powerful, like ice Man. 0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:35.240 There's so much stuff that she cast. Yeah, she's a guy. 0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:38.200 You know. She controls the weather, and that is one 0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:41.880 of those things that you know, where you right an 0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:43.680 open book. There's so much you can do with it, 0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:46.160 and so much that probably hasn't even been explored yet 0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:50.560 with the ability to control the weather period. Yeah, and 0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:53.800 the responsibility there in like does she feel bad with 0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:57.040 like hurricanes happen? I know, like like you could have 0:33:57.080 --> 0:33:59.960 stopped that you took a nap? Why will you take 0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:02.800 get the nap now? And I love how they explore 0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:05.080 even in the series, they explore a little bit about 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:09.080 her Her powers are are linked to her emotions, so 0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:10.920 that when she gets in a bad mood. Like in 0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.040 comic books. I'll love how sometimes she'll make a little 0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:16.200 baby storm to like water a plant, you know, just 0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:19.080 a little a little tiny thunderstorm with lightning and everything 0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:21.440 to to water a plant or stuff that showing how 0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:23.920 fine her control is. But in the show and the 0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:26.680 TV series, um, it seems like they're more tied to 0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:28.440 her emotions. You could get her flustered and then all 0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:31.560 of a sudden the skies get dark. Yeah, but let's 0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:34.680 just kind of bounce around and like talk about the 0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:37.200 things that are because you know, and like you said, 0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:39.680 in the third season, they went cosmic and that's kind 0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:41.880 of when they started introducing a little bit of the 0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:46.520 you know, you had the whole, uh, the phoenix thing. 0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:49.839 But I think we should reverse just a little bit 0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:53.719 and talk about the cast of characters. So because surprisingly 0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:55.759 we didn't talk about that, because I feel like it's 0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:58.200 weird when you do, when we do a nerdficent on 0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:02.959 things like this that are so the zeitgeist that it's like, oh, yeah, 0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:05.640 everyone kind of knows every x men. But let's just 0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:07.279 do it and we can talk about how we feel 0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:11.440 about each of them. First up in the foremost Cyclops. Uh. 0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:16.200 He was the No, we'll get into this because I'm well, 0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:18.920 we'll get into this because I've had an interesting relationship 0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:22.880 with Cyclops. The Cyclops Okay, Scott Summers. He was voiced 0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:26.640 by Norm Spencer, and he was basically the second in 0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:30.440 command of the X Men, you know, obviously Professor X 0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:34.000 being the top dog. He can fire concussive blast from 0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:41.040 his eyes. Uh he not heat. Yeah, the bastards out there. Yeah, 0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:45.960 it's concussive. Yeah, not heat. You're not burning. And he 0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:50.120 and Jean Gray are in a relationship and apparently at 0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:53.000 the end of the fourth season they get married when 0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:57.400 Apocalypse has been you know, doing his dirty work. I 0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:00.520 for the longest was not the biggest fan of Cyclaps. 0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:03.600 I never liked them, and it was it's kind of 0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:07.600 like my roles reversed an X Men, where like, you know, 0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:11.680 I did not like how goody two shoes Cyclaus was. 0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:14.920 He was the teacher's pet. He was, you know, I 0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:19.719 I like, just something about that really made me dislike him. 0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:22.040 In the only time I started liking Cyclaps and this 0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:24.080 is gonna step out of the show and onto the 0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:28.080 page a little more, was during once we got towards 0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:32.799 um Avengers versus X Men, because I really like his 0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:37.359 whole so his militant period, yeah, I didn't like that 0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:40.440 at all. Actually, I think I started to like him 0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:43.839 once he we got two Avengers versus X Men Cyclops, 0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:46.880 because I felt like he finally was stepping up to 0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:50.080 the plate as a leader into because it just always 0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:52.160 felt like, you know, I think the best description is 0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:55.239 right here, second in command. He never took initiative, and 0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:57.319 I felt he was so emotional and there's so much 0:36:57.320 --> 0:36:59.400 things he wished he could do and this, that and 0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:01.840 the other, and he just never followed through with it 0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:05.520 so well. I mean, I think I think what's interesting 0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:09.560 about him is it takes a lot to be the 0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:11.800 leader character. And I think that's one of the things 0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:16.879 that is interesting about screenwriting is most people's original screenplays, 0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:20.600 the main character is super flawless. Nobody has to tell 0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:23.480 them nothing. Each of the character, everybody, all the characters 0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:25.440 know everything that everybody is about to say, and the 0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:28.440 conversation just flow like butter, you know, And there's there's 0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:31.000 a there's a distinct, like a conflict. There's all these 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:33.080 different things and like they'll they'll be they'll never be 0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:36.360 a character. I always had trouble writing the character that 0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:40.160 goes damn Blade, that was tight what you did. Like, 0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:43.239 I always hated writing that character. But you need that 0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:45.399 character and fiction, there's got to be somebody that does 0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:47.520 the moment for the audience to go, that's Michael Payne 0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:49.560 your reacted to aunt man. You know what I mean. 0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:52.600 It's really hard to write that character. And conversely, it's 0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:55.120 hard to write the character that goes Wolverene. You shouldn't 0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:58.200 go do that, stay back at the thing. Wow, Na, Bob, 0:37:58.239 --> 0:37:59.919 I'm gonna go. You know what I mean. The guy 0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:02.040 who's constantly telling people that they can't do stuff. That 0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:03.960 the kind of Yoda character. They're supposed to be so 0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:06.520 damn smart, but all their advice sucks. Yeah, you know 0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:08.479 what I mean. That's a hard character, right, But also 0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:11.600 it's it's it's understandable. You know, this is you know, 0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:15.680 me older and having to take leadership on certain issues 0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:19.400 you don't necessarily not want to go. I think the 0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:23.800 most recent kind of element of this was in Destiny 0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:28.719 to the Forsaken storyline, which you know, the the expansion 0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:30.920 was built off this. So this isn't a spoiler, but 0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:34.719 when Cade six dies and uh, Cora and the main 0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:39.640 character want to get revenge. Uh, it's Zavala. The Titan 0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:43.000 Guardian is like, yo, we shouldn't do that. We have 0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:45.719 to protect the whole universe. We don't have time to 0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:50.640 go into petty revenge fight. Everyone hated him for Everyone 0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:54.560 was like, this guy sucks. He doesn't want and it's like, 0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:57.239 I get why you're mad, but that is he is, right? 0:38:57.680 --> 0:39:01.839 Is he is like we are whole home base. The 0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:04.840 start of the expansion was it almost got destroyed. All 0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:07.239 we were almost wiped out. So I can see why 0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:10.719 from a leadership position you can't advise someone to go 0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:12.920 do it, But if they go behind your back and 0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:15.879 do it, you're not gonna be mad at him. Right, Well, yeah, 0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:18.040 it's always there's it's always sucks to be the guy 0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:21.320 who's going like we can't expend those resources or whatever. 0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:23.360 That always is a sucky guy in movies and stuff. 0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:27.440 But if anybody wants a story about Cyclops where he's 0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:30.399 actually cool, there's Looking at Josh Weeden's run, he does 0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:34.400 a really really good job of repurposing that whole legend 0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:38.520 of him just basically being bequeathed the leadership role because 0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:41.360 he had such a little confidence that Professor X was like, 0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:43.160 if this was never gonna do anything, I gotta I 0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:46.000 gotta make him the leader because he sucks otherwise, you 0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:47.480 know what I mean, and just him been putting on 0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:49.480 that role. And then there are certain things in the 0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:52.680 Josh Weeden run that show you that Cyclouds is really smart, 0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:56.520 really manipulative and very very very powerful when he when 0:39:56.520 --> 0:39:58.680 he when he lets loose, and I think it's it's 0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:00.800 just sad that it came that late. You know, so 0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:02.759 many people kind of did write him as a stick 0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:04.680 in them, but including in the show. But he does 0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:08.399 get the girls. So yeah, So so that was this tradeoff. Yeah, 0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:11.320 I think it was in in Schism where I really 0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:15.800 where you really kind of see the because I forget 0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:19.040 what came the timeline of those comics. So there was 0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:22.239 schism that happened that basically split the X Men up 0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:25.560 into Wolverines X Men and Cyclops X Men, and then 0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:28.279 there was X Men versus the Avengers because all the 0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:31.480 X Men get like Phoenix Force basically have become like 0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:34.040 a big gang almost like what what that section of 0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:36.920 Marvel comics was like, It was like the late nineties 0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:40.520 of the Authority. They they were the super powerful wild 0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:45.000 Star characters who basically ran their world. Yeah okay, so yeah, okay, 0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:48.480 this does make sense. And so yeah, schism happened first, 0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:52.000 and that's when I really was anti Scott. I was like, oh, 0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:55.040 this guy's wag had a YadA YadA. And then the 0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:58.200 Avengers versus X Men and they get the Phoenix Force. 0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:01.399 Was it was pretty it was it was pretty hard, 0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:03.840 Like I was against him, but I really respect the 0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:06.399 stance he took. And then they became the Phoenix Force 0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:08.959 and that was wild. That was That's a good read, 0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:13.120 the Phoenix Squid Odd. Yeah, but yeah, so uh and 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:14.680 so yeah he was the leader that was kind of 0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:17.879 a stick of the mud. Then at Wolverine, who everybody loved. Yeah, yeah, 0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:20.680 everybody loves Wolverine because he's he's the he's a bad dude. 0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:24.680 He writes motorcycles a logan. Anybody who's ever had a 0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:31.120 skin knee wanted to be Wolverine. Yeah. So Wolverine was 0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:35.960 voiced by Cathology Dodd. He's a mutant with regenerative healing factor, 0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:41.000 heightened senses, and adamantium laced skeleton that render his bones, 0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:45.920 virtually indestructible and retractable claws capable of cutting virtually anything. 0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:48.440 He was attracted to Jeane, but decided not to come 0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:51.960 between her and Scott after many attempts of coming in 0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:55.480 between her. And that's the funniest part about that character description. 0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:59.080 It's like, uh, it's like a, yeah, I I stopped 0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:02.960 attempting the banks supermodel. No, no, you never had a chance. 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:05.040 You never got close. What are you? What are you doing? 0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:07.640 He's like, all right, I'm done. You. I guess you 0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:10.040 could have. But I think, you know, the more I 0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:12.520 think about it, I can totally see why Wolverine is 0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:16.240 so popular and why I might have hated uh, Scott 0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:19.520 so much because Cyclops was the jock, he was the leader, 0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:22.239 he was the goodie, he was the teacher's pet. He 0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:24.799 was jacked, he had the girl, and he had this 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:28.360 guy Wolverine who everyone kind of looked down upon, didn't 0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:33.720 trust he you know, he had this dark past, you know. Yeah, 0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:37.800 he was Wolverine was an other in a group of others. 0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:40.759 That's interesting, and they did treat him like like a 0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:44.080 shelter pet, and he was significantly older than everybody. I 0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:47.080 think that's something that is very lost on people understanding 0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:48.800 the you know what I mean, Like most of the 0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:50.480 time you think of Wolverine is just like a hairy 0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:53.640 version of these kids, but like it's like two years old, 0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:56.600 you know what I mean. And he's kicking it with 0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:59.600 these kids and trying to like learn, and he's like 0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:03.080 he's community college dog. Yeah, Like he's a strade community 0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:05.160 college with powers, and he's chilling out in here and 0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:07.480 all these dumb kids are all these pheromones are going 0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:09.359 around and he's like, I want to get in on this, 0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:16.480 but like chill out. Then we have Rogue, and she 0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:20.560 possesses the uncontrollable ability to absorb memories, powers, and energy 0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:24.000 of whoever she touches. But if Rogue holds onto someone 0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:27.000 too long, their consciousness will be trapped in her subconscious 0:43:27.400 --> 0:43:30.920 and she has permanently absorbed the superhero strength, durability, and 0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:35.360 flight of Miss Marvel. It's Marvel left was left comatose 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:38.120 because of this. I think I missed that whole like explanation, 0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:40.239 Oh yeah, that was that was way back in the 0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:42.799 days for for comics fans. I was like, so was 0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:46.000 this something that happened off the show? Oh yeah? And 0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:47.520 then well, and I think I think they might have 0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:50.479 referenced it a little bit, uh and in some way 0:43:50.520 --> 0:43:52.399 to kind of see how that she did that. But 0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:55.480 like rogues regular powers are pretty like I'm just walking 0:43:55.520 --> 0:44:02.799 around and imagine if the Marvel movie comes out the 0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:05.880 Fox Steel went through everything's good. We introduced the X 0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:09.439 Men and they used they use that storyline and then 0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:11.839 Brie Larson is one and done in the movie because 0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:15.160 they're like, oh, she's incompetos. Now Rogue has her powers. 0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:18.320 Fans would be so mad. Cut cut to the pager 0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:21.439 in her hospital bed just shaking up. Yeah, and then 0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:23.960 like but then it's picked up by Rogue, like he 0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:27.520 fans would be so confused. Can you imagine if, like 0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:30.440 if that was the end where like it's picked up 0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:33.399 by because you'd be excited because it's the X Men, 0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:37.520 but she'd be mad because you lost Miss Marvel. I mean, 0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:40.240 I think where I think we could see a cool 0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:43.359 do over where you could see that actual storyline come in, 0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:45.120 you know when they when they get their stuff together 0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:48.680 and get get other properties that to get along. We 0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:51.200 could see a lot of these things. I liked Rogue 0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:55.160 because she was always the person who out of these 0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:58.160 X Men, besides like maybe say Nightcrawler and he wasn't 0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:02.160 really on the show, but like, besides Nightcrawler, the one 0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:05.400 whose power sucked the most, like messed our lives, you know, 0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:07.320 because you know with with Scott Summers, she asked, you 0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:11.080 gotta wear glasses all the time, even in the shower. Yeah, 0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:14.880 it's so true. We never talked about that. Even in 0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:17.480 the shower, you got to wear those glasses or you 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:21.080 blast in a hole in your shower exactly, so you 0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:24.880 have to. So but for the most part, these people 0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:27.360 didn't show any ill effects for their powers. But she 0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:31.880 was unable to literally touch people, and we really really 0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:35.600 discount how important that is. Yeah, oh man, that's so true. 0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:38.120 But I still don't think she has the power that 0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:40.560 sucks the most, and I think it's never dressed and 0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:43.960 I would love it. Jubilee can only shoot finals. I 0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:47.399 don't know how We've like let this go long enough 0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:50.399 and I'm gonna just save the roast till we get 0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:52.480 to her, because I'm gonna read her power what they 0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:55.080 have the description, because I never read the description. I'm 0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:57.200 a scoff at it. And then go into this rant 0:45:57.200 --> 0:46:00.200 and I'm getting ready to Oh, let's give credit to 0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:04.920 lenora'son she played in the thing. So all right, you 0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:08.560 want to do Storm? Yeah, yeah, Storm, Aurora Monroe, uh 0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:12.920 Iana Moors who we mentioned earlier in ninety three and 0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:16.440 Alison Seeley Smith from to ninety seven. She's able to 0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:19.320 control the weather. Like we said before, basically a goddess. 0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:22.920 She's second in command of the X Men. Uh and 0:46:22.960 --> 0:46:26.040 that that's a always been something cool that has not 0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:29.560 been explored, but also something to complain about, Like it 0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:34.239 seems like Storm is older than uh Scott yet yet 0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:36.640 she can't get full control of the team. While we 0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:39.160 giving into this new Scott, Storm is much more capable. 0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:42.240 Well you know, you know what wo would be Uh, 0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:44.880 it would be interesting to see them in the comic books. 0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:47.799 They do have a real battle of our control. I'll 0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:58.200 tell you who has control right now, and welcome back. 0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:01.839 Ed hit me with that snee ad break. It's right, 0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:04.439 We're back me and Ed Greer. We're gonna close out. 0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:07.200 We're gonna say, go through the rest of these characters, 0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:10.040 talk about the arcs, and then close it out for y'all. 0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:12.560 I hope you're having fun, because we definitely are, because 0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:17.160 we believe we didn't even do all these characters. But yeah, 0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:20.320 we're talking about Storm, Auroral Monroe. She controls the weather. 0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:24.319 She uh you know, like we were saying, she's basically Yeah, 0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:26.439 there has been this thing where she's kind of been 0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:30.360 like the other leader and honestly more capable than Scott. 0:47:30.680 --> 0:47:32.719 And there has been runs where they did have like 0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:35.560 a fight for power and she kind of like lead. 0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:38.160 There were a few comics where she had her own 0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:39.719 team and ran off and then what was the one 0:47:39.760 --> 0:47:42.120 where it was all women and I think Storm led 0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:44.279 that squad. Remember, I think that was all new all 0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:48.560 different X men. Yeah, and uh, what's interesting about about 0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:51.200 her is they do give her a little a few 0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:55.800 weaknesses like a claustrophobia. Yeah, and uh, bad tasting dudes, 0:47:57.920 --> 0:47:59.480 what do you are? You are you trying to come 0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:02.560 at my man's and challa, Uh you know what, they're 0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:06.160 not married, is all I'm saying. Look, and then last 0:48:06.760 --> 0:48:09.759 that's the real Eric. Oh my gosh, that that made 0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:11.960 me so mad when they broke them up. There was 0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:15.880 no reason, like like that was so salty in comics 0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:18.799 around that time, because they canceled Black Panther, they broke 0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:21.960 up Aurora and because that was over the Avengance versus 0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:24.319 X Men, speaking of which that's when they broke up, 0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:29.480 and I was so pissed I would and they did 0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:32.800 not red conn it. They did not get them back together. 0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:36.880 They're just not together. Yeah, yeah, but it always I 0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:40.359 don't know, man, I liked it enough, but I also 0:48:40.400 --> 0:48:42.799 thought it was like, you know, you're two black nerd 0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:46.759 friends at the party meet each other, and I was 0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:50.520 there for to to two pieces of African royalty. I 0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:53.360 was like, I'm here for it. You can tell, you 0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:55.279 can tell who's the African in the room right now, 0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:58.759 because I was like, yes, let's go. No, you're you're 0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:01.560 You're right that that was It wasn't It wasn't Luke 0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:04.560 Cage and Storm, Yeah it was. It was Storm. So 0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:11.239 there's a there's a graduated Africanness, graduated Africanness. So then 0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:14.560 we have a beast who I think is probably one 0:49:14.600 --> 0:49:17.800 of the more popular X Men outside of like your Usual, 0:49:18.560 --> 0:49:21.799 which is Dr Henry Hank McCoy, which was voiced by 0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:31.560 George Bouza, and basically his mutation, I mean like he 0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:35.680 got Harry and he got superhuman strength and agility, but 0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:39.279 really it felt like his because he wasn't like out 0:49:39.320 --> 0:49:42.000 here toss and toss and stuff, you know, like he 0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:44.520 didn't feel like he had superhuman strength. He felt like 0:49:44.560 --> 0:49:47.360 he had like the superhero human strength of like the 0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:50.560 dude who plays the mountain on Game of Throb. Like 0:49:50.640 --> 0:49:54.319 he's a power Like he's as strong as a power lifter, 0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:58.040 not necessarily, and he can like read upside down like 0:49:58.120 --> 0:50:01.560 that was his big thing that they love. They loved 0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:04.040 having scenes where they walked in on him reading upside 0:50:04.040 --> 0:50:06.320 down like that, why would you do that? That what? 0:50:06.719 --> 0:50:09.680 I don't see that being comfortable even if you're a mutant. 0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:12.600 But his superpower was blood did not rush to his head. 0:50:14.480 --> 0:50:17.760 It's just kicking upside down all day. That's a secondary mutation. 0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:20.240 He would just always be upside down like that that 0:50:20.719 --> 0:50:23.040 house when you know, like you're like, how are we 0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:26.560 gonna show that? This dude different that the animators that 0:50:26.680 --> 0:50:30.840 their go to. But one thing about McCoy that I 0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:33.799 thought was interesting was like, it is interesting how most 0:50:33.840 --> 0:50:37.440 of the smart characters are always like jump around dudes, 0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:39.520 you know what I mean? Like Captain America is supposed 0:50:39.520 --> 0:50:42.360 to be super smart, Child is supposed to be super smart. Definitely, 0:50:42.400 --> 0:50:45.279 there are they both are very super smart, but they're 0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:47.319 supposed to be. That's part of their power, that's part 0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:50.600 of your set. And uh, but there always are guys 0:50:50.600 --> 0:50:52.920 who have to jump around and dodge, like they almost 0:50:52.920 --> 0:50:55.359 never make a besides maybe at the Blue Marvel, which 0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:57.680 is a whole other conversation, But dudes that are smart 0:50:57.800 --> 0:51:01.560 and super powerful, you know, because even like Door is 0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:04.319 a dumbass, which is a charming thing about him, but 0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:09.800 no question, but he's not doing calculus. Yeah, he's definitely 0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:12.120 not doing that. That is funny where it is that 0:51:12.239 --> 0:51:14.120 kind of like, oh, we can't have you be smart 0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:16.640 and buff, that's too much, right, So they kind of 0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:18.719 nerve your power is a little bit so like all 0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:21.279 the smart characters. Uh but yeah, I think that was 0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:23.640 interesting that they used a little bit of his science stuff, 0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:25.839 Like obviously there has to be some guy to fix 0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:29.680 the jet. The movies really put him on jet fixing duty. Yeah, 0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:32.239 that's you got the big, super strong blue guy. What 0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:36.239 are you doing he fixing the jet? Just the mechanic. Uh. Yeah, 0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:38.280 And he spent like the most of the first season 0:51:38.480 --> 0:51:41.640 in prison because he was trying to destroy the government 0:51:41.719 --> 0:51:47.240 records for registered mutants and that That was funny because 0:51:47.520 --> 0:51:50.120 there was this cool blue dude and you didn't even 0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:51.840 get to see him in action like that because he 0:51:51.920 --> 0:51:55.200 was locked up. Yeah. Well, chapter in the cell, you 0:51:55.239 --> 0:51:58.680 can't do flips. That's the real tragedy. There's no room 0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:02.040 to flip in here. Well, here's a fun fact. Booza, 0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:05.520 who voiced Hank McCoy, actually appeared in the two thousand 0:52:05.560 --> 0:52:08.600 live action film playing a truck driver at the start 0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:11.040 of the film, so he got Yeah, he was able 0:52:11.080 --> 0:52:13.719 to come back like, yeah, what was good? So we 0:52:13.840 --> 0:52:17.920 got my boy, uh and soon that Ed does not 0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:22.120 care for gambit remy Lebou was by Chris Potter for 0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:28.120 ninety six and Tony Daniels. He can charge any object 0:52:28.200 --> 0:52:32.520 with explosive energy and just toss him. That's that's his power. Uh. 0:52:32.560 --> 0:52:35.040 They only explode once he lets go of the object. 0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:40.560 And he also wields the staff for close combat, which 0:52:40.880 --> 0:52:43.399 which and he used playing cards. You know, I don't 0:52:43.400 --> 0:52:45.800 know why you would use cards like that. That feels 0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:48.439 like he's like took a magic class and I really 0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:51.560 gotta get my money's worth. Well, I was talking to Uh, 0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:53.560 I was talking to Aaron ram Powell who was on 0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:55.600 here the last time I was on here, and he 0:52:55.680 --> 0:52:57.399 was like, that's the type of thing you do when 0:52:57.400 --> 0:53:02.360 you're a jail. Yeah, that's a jail skill, throwing hats 0:53:02.360 --> 0:53:04.520 to the card over and overgain to the cards and 0:53:04.560 --> 0:53:06.759 a hat over and over again. And so yeah, that 0:53:06.760 --> 0:53:08.719 that seems And he was a thief, So there you go, 0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:12.080 Well that's that's He's also one of those characters that 0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:15.920 they never really explored like that because like for a while, 0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:18.160 like that was his thing. He would just throw these 0:53:18.239 --> 0:53:20.319 charge cards. He would throw these charge cards. You would 0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:22.360 never see him like walk up to someone in charge. 0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:25.040 Like he technically was a brutal he could he could 0:53:25.080 --> 0:53:28.239 walk up to someone charged them and blow them up, 0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:30.640 Like he could blow people up with his hands, but 0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:34.840 he chooses to throw these weak cards. He could be blastar, 0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:38.279 but he chooses to jump around. Yeah. But yeah, and 0:53:38.320 --> 0:53:40.040 I should have liked him because I love me to 0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:43.400 jump around character ter Spider Man, that was my man's. 0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:46.200 They do it, the jumping around. I even like McCoy 0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:48.760 a little bit, but just I just think he's jumping 0:53:48.800 --> 0:53:52.040 around his inferior. But but you know the bottom line 0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:54.200 is I should have liked him, but it just didn't 0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:55.680 get over on me and I think I'm just that 0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:57.480 little bit older than you to where they sold me 0:53:57.520 --> 0:54:00.960 Wolverine as the ultimate and they had like a uh 0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:03.680 danger room scene where where River with the Bow comes in, 0:54:04.040 --> 0:54:06.080 a Gambit comes in and challenges Wolverine too, like a 0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:07.920 fight and he smacks up Wolverine and I was like, 0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:11.319 you know what, I'm out, I'm a little kid. Talk 0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:14.160 about check please. I checked that comic into a fan. 0:54:14.280 --> 0:54:20.560 I think it was into a fan like I'm good. 0:54:21.960 --> 0:54:25.120 What was cool too? About Chris Potter who was voicing him. 0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:28.680 He was actually filming Kung Fu the Legend of the 0:54:28.760 --> 0:54:32.000 Legend Continues in Toronto, and he was unfamiliar with the 0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:34.719 X Men, but David Carradine, who was a co star, 0:54:34.880 --> 0:54:37.000 was a big fan of the comics, so he was like, 0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:38.399 all right, I guess I'll do it if my man 0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:41.840 daves about it fun even funner facts, so we know 0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:44.480 he's an actor. He actually auditioned for the role of 0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:47.880 Cyclops and uh the year two thousand, which makes you 0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:51.359 wonder how different his career would be now if he 0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:54.560 actually nailed that role. You know, I don't it was 0:54:54.960 --> 0:54:57.080 I'm not trying to diss. I'm just saying I feel 0:54:57.120 --> 0:54:58.560 like that kind of sounds like a dis win. You 0:54:58.600 --> 0:55:00.680 say it, like, like how different joke rear b Now 0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:05.880 he's he's he's doing well. I didn't know he was 0:55:05.920 --> 0:55:08.919 also in Queer as Folk. I used to like love 0:55:09.040 --> 0:55:12.600 that show. I did I know that. Yeah, I watched 0:55:12.600 --> 0:55:15.280 it religiously because it was like my first like adult 0:55:15.360 --> 0:55:17.799 show when I was growing up, Like when was it out? 0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:19.799 From two thousands two thousand five, so yeah, my high 0:55:19.800 --> 0:55:22.080 school years. And I was like, okay, cool. Of course, 0:55:22.160 --> 0:55:24.160 you know, they showed boots, so that was like the 0:55:24.239 --> 0:55:27.960 other thing and I was like, okay, I'm in um. 0:55:28.280 --> 0:55:32.640 Now we get to your girl Jubilation Lee Come On, 0:55:33.680 --> 0:55:36.840 voiced by Allison Court. Come On, and she was the 0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:39.560 newest and youngest member of the X Man. Come On, 0:55:39.800 --> 0:55:43.520 and she's close to Wolverine. She's still getting your star powers, 0:55:43.520 --> 0:55:47.360 which are the ability to generate firework like explosions. Alison Court, 0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:52.719 Allison Court at Cathol Dodd had been neighbors when Court 0:55:52.760 --> 0:55:54.719 was still a child and dad was already known as 0:55:54.760 --> 0:55:57.480 an actor in Canada, and uh yeah. She attributes her 0:55:57.520 --> 0:56:02.359 character's chemistry to them, you know, being acquainted before. But yeah, 0:56:02.560 --> 0:56:07.360 you know they say firework like explosions, but you never 0:56:07.600 --> 0:56:10.960 see it do any damage. Literally, anytime she uses it, 0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:14.600 someone is like like my eyes. In the Common Books, 0:56:14.600 --> 0:56:16.920 they did have one that they went to, like mattap 0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:19.880 or Or or Japan or something. By the way, if 0:56:19.920 --> 0:56:24.080 you don't know, Mattaport is a fictional like is it 0:56:24.120 --> 0:56:25.960 a country or it's like it's like a it's like 0:56:25.960 --> 0:56:29.640 a crime island in X Men, where you when when 0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:31.839 they're there, you're like, uh, we have to know good 0:56:31.880 --> 0:56:35.280 and Wolverine will be definitely involved. And so so basically 0:56:35.360 --> 0:56:37.279 some bad stuff happened with the Mandarin or some jazz 0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:39.000 they were trying to make like Jubilee into like a 0:56:39.000 --> 0:56:40.919 weird gay share or something like trying to weird mind 0:56:40.920 --> 0:56:44.279 transformer or something, and she spassed out and blew up 0:56:44.400 --> 0:56:46.480 the whole like villa that they were in with an 0:56:46.840 --> 0:56:49.439 immense show of power. But Chris claim Out was really 0:56:49.440 --> 0:56:51.959 good for that, like every fitty issues that somebody would 0:56:51.960 --> 0:56:56.520 do something way beyond the power my favorite person. Boy. 0:56:56.920 --> 0:56:59.359 I mean, you never like you never saw like they 0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:02.200 say fire work like explosions, but if you watch the show, 0:57:02.239 --> 0:57:06.000 they just look like fireworks period full stop. Hey man, 0:57:06.080 --> 0:57:07.320 let me throw a bunch of m A d s 0:57:07.360 --> 0:57:10.840 at your face. But they weren't popping like m A 0:57:10.920 --> 0:57:13.400 d s. They're popping like sparklers, where it's like a stop, 0:57:13.560 --> 0:57:15.880 get that out of my face. Like that's what it seems. 0:57:15.920 --> 0:57:19.120 She looked like she was mildly inconveniencing someone. I think 0:57:19.120 --> 0:57:23.360 it also it also comes with the fact that you're you're, you're. 0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:27.080 You got the dude who was exploding playing cards, you 0:57:27.200 --> 0:57:30.720 got someone controlling the weather, a guy with knives coming 0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:33.600 out of his fist, soone, a woman who could suck 0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:36.000 the life out of someone just by touching them, a 0:57:36.040 --> 0:57:39.600 guy shooting concussive blast out of his eyes, and what 0:57:39.760 --> 0:57:43.120 is she doing? Fireworks? And it had that cheesy sound. 0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:45.560 As a matter of fact, I'm glad we plugged in. 0:57:45.840 --> 0:57:48.280 Um let's let's let me see if you can if 0:57:48.280 --> 0:57:52.160 we can get that, uh that that sound effect that 0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:55.480 would play when she did it. Someone did a compilation 0:57:55.560 --> 0:58:03.800 of all of Jubilee scenes, which what okay? So in 0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:06.720 that scene she blew up an arcade machine, the most 0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:09.040 damaged I've seen her done in history. All right, here's 0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:12.800 her versus a Sentinel. Perfect. Look, just listen to the 0:58:12.840 --> 0:58:15.880 sound and I'm gonna describe what happened. She's putting her 0:58:15.880 --> 0:58:18.920 hands up. Oh, hold on, we gotta just do the 0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:22.560 full breakdown. Also, this is what Julilie wore for somebodys. 0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:29.360 You wore a raincoat, some short shorts, some knee high boots, 0:58:29.400 --> 0:58:33.440 a neon shirt, and some Bret Hart glasses. That was 0:58:33.480 --> 0:58:35.640 the coolest thing about her is that for some reason 0:58:35.680 --> 0:58:38.520 she was rocking the Bret Hart glasses. Well, she was. 0:58:38.600 --> 0:58:40.560 She was definitely a product of the nineties. Let's just 0:58:40.560 --> 0:58:43.600 say that we were far enough long because I didn't 0:58:43.640 --> 0:58:45.280 say nothing for a long time, because, you know, as 0:58:45.320 --> 0:58:48.919 another person of color in this small, heavily white cast, 0:58:49.000 --> 0:58:50.800 I didn't want to drag her like this. But we 0:58:50.760 --> 0:58:54.840 were past this. We've we've we've you know, we've introduced 0:58:54.880 --> 0:58:56.959 so many better X men who are people of color. 0:58:57.000 --> 0:59:00.440 We the Hulk is Asian, I can finally dress. Do 0:59:00.440 --> 0:59:03.680 you believe for how trash she was and why they 0:59:03.680 --> 0:59:05.960 didn't make her powers better and anything, I'm not mad 0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:10.120 at you believe, I'm mad at the creators for this. 0:59:13.880 --> 0:59:16.680 So what just happened that sound was her fireworks that 0:59:16.760 --> 0:59:20.720 looked like fireworks, and actually in that scene, the sentinel 0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:26.520 just put his hands up and it did nothing. It 0:59:26.640 --> 0:59:28.800 just it was almost like the video was like, don't worry. 0:59:28.920 --> 0:59:31.680 This is to prove everyone right when they're dragging you believe. 0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:34.160 And then here's this scene. I actually do remember this, 0:59:34.240 --> 0:59:36.600 and I still don't get it till this day. It's 0:59:36.640 --> 0:59:39.440 been almost twenty years and I still don't get this. 0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:45.720 So she used her firework to just pop off metal 0:59:47.040 --> 0:59:48.880 because it was when you remember that scene where she's 0:59:48.920 --> 0:59:53.560 like captured and she's like, oh yeah, oh the inconsistencies. 0:59:54.040 --> 0:59:57.000 Oh well, I mean like there's gonna be some Jubilee 0:59:57.520 --> 0:59:59.880 gonna come from. I think they're like in one hundred. 1:00:00.360 --> 1:00:02.800 The last thing that I'm that I'm come for is 1:00:02.880 --> 1:00:07.320 this name Jubilation Lee. And then it's Jubilee. Like it's 1:00:07.440 --> 1:00:10.280 just like it's very obviously you came up with Jubilee first. 1:00:10.640 --> 1:00:13.919 And lucky for her, she doesn't get the worst name. Ever, 1:00:14.320 --> 1:00:17.840 that still goes to black Bolt whose real name do 1:00:17.880 --> 1:00:21.480 you know? Black Bolt real name? Just say it? Black Agar, 1:00:23.040 --> 1:00:27.320 What come on? This is this? That's when you can tell, 1:00:27.440 --> 1:00:31.360 oh you you were you came in early. Hey, what's up, 1:00:31.480 --> 1:00:39.959 Luca Dondegstein, what's up, Cyan Klops Smith. Yeah, that's that's 1:00:40.000 --> 1:00:42.600 pretty that's pretty brutal. Okay, So we gotta get to 1:00:42.680 --> 1:00:45.720 the who I think are the almost King and Queen. 1:00:47.960 --> 1:00:50.600 The next person we're gonna talk about is literally so 1:00:50.680 --> 1:00:53.880 broken that they've killed her off for a year until 1:00:53.920 --> 1:00:56.680 they realize they can go back and introduced the younger 1:00:56.760 --> 1:00:59.560 version of herself and Rhett con from there. And that 1:00:59.600 --> 1:01:03.840 person is Jean Gray, who eventually became Phoenix, who was 1:01:03.920 --> 1:01:07.520 voiced by Katherine Disher. She's a telekinetic and a telepath. 1:01:07.920 --> 1:01:12.080 She's in a relationship with Cyclops, but and they marry 1:01:12.160 --> 1:01:14.520 at the end of the fourth season when she's captured 1:01:14.560 --> 1:01:17.760 by Apocalypse in a time space continuum, and Disher had 1:01:17.800 --> 1:01:20.840 originally audition for the part of Storm and didn't get it. 1:01:22.160 --> 1:01:27.440 Gene Um, Jean Gray is cool because you know, in 1:01:27.520 --> 1:01:31.160 every instance of Jean Graff seen, she's kind of been 1:01:31.200 --> 1:01:36.000 you know, they they've given like Storm and Cyclops like 1:01:36.080 --> 1:01:40.400 second in command, but really, and I call Cyclops the 1:01:40.520 --> 1:01:44.000 teacher's pet, but really Jeane is Professor X as star student. 1:01:44.080 --> 1:01:45.800 And I think it's because they kind of share the 1:01:45.840 --> 1:01:50.439 same power and he recognizes that she can. She she's 1:01:50.520 --> 1:01:54.000 that she's that woman. She can like do whatever. And 1:01:54.040 --> 1:01:56.920 he's like, you're gonna surpass me one day. Literallyy know, 1:01:57.040 --> 1:02:01.360 she was gonna be even crazier. Well, and I think 1:02:01.400 --> 1:02:04.920 what's interesting about her is she for all her teacher's petness, 1:02:05.600 --> 1:02:08.840 they they kind of have her be also a little 1:02:08.840 --> 1:02:12.080 bit rebellious because of the fact that, like there are 1:02:12.120 --> 1:02:16.040 other forces that are trying to give her tutelage that 1:02:16.080 --> 1:02:18.880 aren't Professor X. It seems like that's always happening in 1:02:18.920 --> 1:02:21.000 her or her clone when we'll get into that, but 1:02:21.040 --> 1:02:23.960 like when whenever she's in there, there's always something trying 1:02:23.960 --> 1:02:26.480 to whisper in her ear. And they show it as 1:02:26.480 --> 1:02:29.200 the Phoenix Force, like, come on, baby, you could be 1:02:29.240 --> 1:02:31.600 super powerful. You could rip up the planet. And he's 1:02:31.640 --> 1:02:33.000 just like, I'm just trying to teach you how to 1:02:33.080 --> 1:02:36.680 balance stuff, you know, and uh, make you guys not 1:02:36.800 --> 1:02:38.960 look for these droids. I'm just I'm just trying to 1:02:38.960 --> 1:02:41.000 teach her this stuff. But she's this Omega level thing 1:02:41.400 --> 1:02:45.439 that he has almost wrangle. Yeah, and then we're gonna 1:02:45.480 --> 1:02:49.520 close out with Professor X, who is you know, everyone 1:02:49.560 --> 1:02:53.120 knows him he's the dude in the wheelchair, Professor X 1:02:53.200 --> 1:02:57.200 Charles Xavier said, who was voiced by Cedric Smith, And 1:02:57.280 --> 1:02:59.080 he's the founder and the leader of the X Men, 1:02:59.080 --> 1:03:01.600 and a powerful tell of path and an analogy for 1:03:01.640 --> 1:03:05.920 Martin Luther King, which which you only understand when you 1:03:05.920 --> 1:03:10.760 meet Magneto, the allegory for Malcolm X. But throughout the 1:03:10.800 --> 1:03:13.440 series he fights for mutant rights while teaching his students 1:03:13.440 --> 1:03:15.800 the importance of never giving an a temptation or lose 1:03:15.800 --> 1:03:19.000 sight of what really matters, and to be patient and 1:03:19.320 --> 1:03:22.640 when when when when over the humans through respect of 1:03:23.000 --> 1:03:25.840 respectability politics, which you know you can be woken mad 1:03:25.840 --> 1:03:27.880 about it, but the fact that it never works in 1:03:27.920 --> 1:03:30.480 the history of X Men. You you can just be like, well, 1:03:30.600 --> 1:03:33.439 we know the X Men try to tell you don't work, 1:03:34.040 --> 1:03:37.479 to told you it don't work, Professor X all this time, 1:03:37.560 --> 1:03:40.479 but trying it don't work. Well, I mean, it's also 1:03:40.600 --> 1:03:42.600 just the whole the whole allegory. I'm not gonna get 1:03:42.640 --> 1:03:44.320 too heavy, but you know they'll kill you if you'll 1:03:44.360 --> 1:03:46.440 wear a suit too. Yeah, you know what I mean, 1:03:46.480 --> 1:03:49.680 And that that's kind of his whole thing. He's so presentable, 1:03:49.880 --> 1:03:51.720 there's so many early X Men ad ventures where he 1:03:51.760 --> 1:03:53.439 like calls out the White House or the White House 1:03:53.440 --> 1:03:55.360 talk somebody says, yeah, I'm gonna send the next man. 1:03:55.400 --> 1:03:57.360 We're gonna do some stuff with the president is friendly 1:03:57.360 --> 1:03:58.920 with him and stuff. They kind of threw that out 1:03:58.960 --> 1:04:02.160 the window, like there was like Martin Luther King didn't 1:04:02.160 --> 1:04:04.040 have the presidents here. Yeah, you know what I mean, 1:04:04.080 --> 1:04:07.280 he still was. I mean, if you see the movie Selma, 1:04:07.480 --> 1:04:10.120 you'll see that they were on the phone back and forth. 1:04:10.400 --> 1:04:13.080 Oh yeah, there you go. Oh no, no, no, no, 1:04:12.880 --> 1:04:15.320 no no, I was just I was agreeing with you. 1:04:15.360 --> 1:04:17.120 I don't know if I think that was one of 1:04:17.120 --> 1:04:20.080 the criticisms of Selma is that like he's like literally 1:04:20.120 --> 1:04:22.000 on the phone with like Lyndon B. Johnson and people 1:04:22.080 --> 1:04:25.280 like what yeah, because I, like I said, if that's 1:04:25.320 --> 1:04:28.120 beyond my knowledge that that that that all happened. But 1:04:28.160 --> 1:04:30.600 you know, the bottom line is he's the he's the 1:04:30.640 --> 1:04:33.440 good one, and even the good ones and get a 1:04:33.440 --> 1:04:35.960 bunch of violence sections and sitting those busting out your door. 1:04:36.200 --> 1:04:37.840 You know, that doesn't really pay to be a good 1:04:37.840 --> 1:04:40.320 one sometimes. And uh, and I think he finds that 1:04:40.320 --> 1:04:42.680 out over the course of time, which is why when 1:04:42.720 --> 1:04:45.640 when Cyclops becomes more Malcolm X later in the comic 1:04:45.640 --> 1:04:49.480 books especially, it's a weird friction. Yeah, we looked it up. 1:04:49.760 --> 1:04:53.400 We went and fact check. This is nerdificent, not woke efficent, 1:04:53.520 --> 1:04:56.720 so you're not gonna be but yeah, no, there's a 1:04:56.800 --> 1:05:00.560 photo op of lb J with Martin Luther King. I'm sorry, 1:05:00.560 --> 1:05:04.680 AVA should have believed you don't dread me. I love you. 1:05:04.800 --> 1:05:07.560 I promise you i'd love you. But it's just I 1:05:07.600 --> 1:05:10.440 think it's a testament to our generation not believing anything 1:05:10.880 --> 1:05:14.400 nice like that could ever. Yeah, or and at least 1:05:14.400 --> 1:05:18.320 we didn't put it down as just a photoshop. You know. 1:05:18.400 --> 1:05:24.560 James Brown kicked it with Nixon too. I mean, oh 1:05:24.600 --> 1:05:26.520 my gosh, it look has been a long week. We're 1:05:26.720 --> 1:05:30.040 going off the rails. I'm gonna talk about there. There's 1:05:30.240 --> 1:05:32.280 some favorite episodes, but there's one I really want to 1:05:32.360 --> 1:05:34.400 land on because I think we can talk about it 1:05:35.080 --> 1:05:38.040 and I can, like, I like, well, we'll say our 1:05:38.080 --> 1:05:40.800 favorite or most remembered episodes and then we'll close it 1:05:40.840 --> 1:05:42.960 out like that. But the one I want to just 1:05:43.080 --> 1:05:47.240 talk about because it's on this list that that comic 1:05:47.240 --> 1:05:49.600 book dot com put together as favorite episodes. But I 1:05:49.640 --> 1:05:52.000 want to talk about it from my perspective, and now 1:05:52.000 --> 1:05:54.240 that we gave you the low down, we can just 1:05:54.280 --> 1:05:57.840 talk a little more freely. Is the Night of the Sentinels. 1:05:58.360 --> 1:06:00.400 It was probably gonna be on everyone's lip. It was 1:06:00.440 --> 1:06:04.440 the pilot episode. And what happens in this episode is 1:06:05.440 --> 1:06:09.480 Professor X is they basically go to pick up Jubilee 1:06:09.920 --> 1:06:12.240 from her family because the Sentinels are on the loose 1:06:12.280 --> 1:06:14.360 and they're trying to get rid of mutants, and that's 1:06:14.640 --> 1:06:16.520 pretty much a running thing and X men as the 1:06:16.520 --> 1:06:20.760 Sentinels come out and they tear stuff up out at night, 1:06:21.280 --> 1:06:24.360 and it was it was like us a one pilot, 1:06:24.440 --> 1:06:28.360 because any pilot where you're adding someone new to something 1:06:28.600 --> 1:06:31.760 is just the perfect writing device because now you have 1:06:31.840 --> 1:06:34.560 to introduce all of these people to this one person, 1:06:34.920 --> 1:06:37.680 which in turn introduces the audience to all these people. 1:06:37.920 --> 1:06:41.920 But also you're getting the reality of everything at Steak, 1:06:42.040 --> 1:06:43.960 because not only is this new Parsons coming to the 1:06:44.000 --> 1:06:48.200 team and they're just introducing it, they're explaining to Jubilee's 1:06:48.200 --> 1:06:50.760 parents why she should go off with this weird man 1:06:50.800 --> 1:06:55.000 in a wheelchair and and like leave her family because 1:06:55.040 --> 1:06:57.880 she's not safe. She's at risk she started showing signs 1:06:57.880 --> 1:07:01.440 of mutant powers and and it's us kind of it's 1:07:01.480 --> 1:07:04.600 it's almost like a perfect pilot for a show like 1:07:04.680 --> 1:07:08.280 this too late. The groundwork of the world and what's 1:07:08.760 --> 1:07:12.840 what's at stake, who's on the team, and uh, you know, 1:07:12.880 --> 1:07:14.680 if if you were going to check out an episode, 1:07:14.680 --> 1:07:17.120 I'd say check that out. They were giving it out. 1:07:17.160 --> 1:07:19.280 There was a deal on Pizza Hut when they were 1:07:19.280 --> 1:07:21.760 giving out X Men where they gave out a VHS 1:07:21.840 --> 1:07:26.520 with that. I wonder if it's still at my dad's house. Oh, 1:07:26.560 --> 1:07:29.280 that's that's excellent. And they I also think if we're 1:07:29.320 --> 1:07:33.440 going in episodes, um, the episode where they introduced Magneto, 1:07:33.880 --> 1:07:36.640 Oh yeah, I think it's really interesting to introduce to 1:07:36.840 --> 1:07:40.400 kids the concept of somebody who like hates people, yeah, 1:07:40.600 --> 1:07:42.720 you know what I mean, and and and just hates humans. 1:07:42.760 --> 1:07:45.240 Like the concept of like basically racism, you know what 1:07:45.280 --> 1:07:48.320 I mean, And his his racism, his being the hate 1:07:48.400 --> 1:07:51.280 that hate produced. Let's not getting twisted, you know what 1:07:51.360 --> 1:07:53.160 I mean. His hate is the hate that hate produced. 1:07:53.280 --> 1:07:55.960 And to have little kids seeing that and knowing that 1:07:55.960 --> 1:07:58.680 that's a real thing, that was very interesting to me. 1:07:59.320 --> 1:08:03.000 Oh man, And we can talk a billion years about Magneto. 1:08:03.080 --> 1:08:05.560 But the bottom line is Magneto in the series was 1:08:05.640 --> 1:08:07.160 very much like he is in the comic books. There's 1:08:07.200 --> 1:08:10.840 always that relationship with with Xavier. There's the Martin Luther 1:08:10.920 --> 1:08:14.080 King Malcolm X aspect, but there's also just the only thing, 1:08:14.120 --> 1:08:15.640 the only thing I'll have a beef with it with 1:08:15.880 --> 1:08:20.240 x Men at all is the expediency and the brutality 1:08:20.280 --> 1:08:23.280 that Magneto is almost always willing to work with. And 1:08:23.360 --> 1:08:25.200 I don't think that that was Malcolm X at all. 1:08:25.240 --> 1:08:27.800 I mean, you see died a man of peace, you 1:08:27.880 --> 1:08:29.240 know what I mean, So that that part was a 1:08:29.320 --> 1:08:32.920 little bit like you know. But but of course calling 1:08:33.000 --> 1:08:38.000 him the mutant Honorable Elijah Mohammed, it doesn't quite sell. 1:08:38.560 --> 1:08:41.760 You know. That's a little bit too much of a 1:08:41.800 --> 1:08:44.280 deep cut, you know, like like Rod because he's half 1:08:44.280 --> 1:08:48.559 a man Age plus seven. Anyway, anyway, we're gonna get that. 1:08:48.600 --> 1:08:51.120 But anyway, the bottom line is Magneto in the series 1:08:51.200 --> 1:08:53.439 was very cool, and they they did end up touching 1:08:53.439 --> 1:08:56.559 on iconic storylines like like the Phoenix saga, which we 1:08:56.600 --> 1:08:59.280 touched on earlier, uh and even Days of the Future past. 1:08:59.439 --> 1:09:02.439 They had they had like a bishop playing that like 1:09:02.520 --> 1:09:05.960 Kitty Pride from the movie and Kitty Pride, uh, Wolverine 1:09:05.960 --> 1:09:08.880 from the movie Kitty Pride from the actual comic books. 1:09:09.160 --> 1:09:11.879 They transpose those characters have just made it into a 1:09:11.880 --> 1:09:14.920 Bishop who comes back to kind of tell the X man, 1:09:14.960 --> 1:09:16.479 hey man, you're messing up. Look at this him on 1:09:16.479 --> 1:09:19.960 my face dog things yeah, things with horrible which I love. Bishop. 1:09:19.960 --> 1:09:26.320 Bishop was typed because he had a perm bandanna and 1:09:26.439 --> 1:09:29.400 a big gun, and I was all about it. I 1:09:29.439 --> 1:09:31.960 was like, I've I've been waiting for that cosplay. I 1:09:32.000 --> 1:09:34.760 need to do a Bishop all this time. I have 1:09:34.800 --> 1:09:38.160 a challenge for you. Look up the Joe Jessico uh 1:09:38.200 --> 1:09:40.920 and people at home. Look at the Joe Jessico Marvel 1:09:41.040 --> 1:09:45.760 card series pictures of Bishop. I want you to coshplay 1:09:45.880 --> 1:09:50.439 as that Bishop, not Will's Portatio, Scratchy Lion Bishop, not that, 1:09:50.560 --> 1:09:53.160 not the one that Larry Stroman drew in a limited series, 1:09:53.200 --> 1:09:58.000 not any of that stuff. That particular tight pants Joe Jessico, 1:09:58.400 --> 1:10:02.280 muscle muscle bound, uh. Bishop. I challenge you to cosplays. 1:10:02.439 --> 1:10:05.280 We're talking about this one right here. Uh yeah, but 1:10:05.320 --> 1:10:07.800 like the more painted ones. But yeah, yeah, but like 1:10:07.840 --> 1:10:09.760 that style though we got you got the bandana on 1:10:09.800 --> 1:10:12.000 and everything. Yeah, oh yeah, that's the you know, that's 1:10:12.040 --> 1:10:14.840 the one I was trying to do. Yeah, you just 1:10:15.080 --> 1:10:19.759 you look like a prince and controversy like the barge. 1:10:19.960 --> 1:10:22.120 He looked like he looked like the barge from the future. 1:10:22.160 --> 1:10:28.120 Oh my gosh. Yeah, geez, Louise, okay, um, look, we 1:10:28.200 --> 1:10:30.479 gotta get out of here. It's been fun. We've been 1:10:30.479 --> 1:10:35.040 going for a long time, but we've been having fun. 1:10:35.240 --> 1:10:37.920 I hope you enjoyed it. Uh, you know, I hope 1:10:37.960 --> 1:10:40.759 all the fernis aren't too hot that you know, Danny 1:10:40.800 --> 1:10:43.160 hasn't been able to make it, but she'll be back soon. 1:10:43.680 --> 1:10:46.000 Until then, we'll have our friend ed hang out. How 1:10:46.000 --> 1:10:51.280 does that sound? But yeah, where can people find you? Ed? 1:10:51.479 --> 1:10:55.360 Oh at Edgar Destroys on Twitter and at Edgar Destroys 1:10:55.439 --> 1:10:58.400 on Instagram. I do lots of art and stuff on 1:10:58.400 --> 1:11:00.360 Instagram that I'd love for people to like and on 1:11:00.520 --> 1:11:02.320 And they can check me out at my nerd go 1:11:02.360 --> 1:11:04.800 to podcast nerd, go to podcast dot com. Yeah, and 1:11:04.840 --> 1:11:08.280 also Ed drew a whole Overraine during while we recorded this, 1:11:08.400 --> 1:11:11.960 and I'll make sure yeah yeah, but it will put 1:11:12.000 --> 1:11:14.560 it in this show notes and you know, what's your Boy? 1:11:14.600 --> 1:11:16.600 If the why the W I F Y n W 1:11:16.760 --> 1:11:19.439 A d I W E on Twitter and Instagram, if 1:11:19.560 --> 1:11:22.599 d's on Twitch. And for all my comedy heads who 1:11:22.600 --> 1:11:24.960 happened to live in the Bay Area who probably work 1:11:25.000 --> 1:11:28.760 at Google or something, uh you know, come through. Give me, 1:11:28.840 --> 1:11:30.800 give me an Apple Watch, and I'll give you a 1:11:30.880 --> 1:11:34.839 long hug, like straight up two minutes on twenty seconds. 1:11:34.880 --> 1:11:36.880 We'll put the time on. I'm just kidding. You don't 1:11:36.880 --> 1:11:39.000 have to give me an Apple Watch. But I will 1:11:39.080 --> 1:11:41.920 be up in San Francisco from San Francisco Sketch Fest 1:11:42.240 --> 1:11:45.880 on January nineteen. I'll be doing two shows. At nine thirty, 1:11:45.920 --> 1:11:48.760 I'll be doing live at the nine thirty or nine pm, 1:11:48.800 --> 1:11:50.240 either way. Go to the web side you can check 1:11:50.240 --> 1:11:52.120 it out. I'll be doing live at the Alumo. I'll 1:11:52.160 --> 1:11:54.240 be doing some stand up and then at ten pm 1:11:54.240 --> 1:11:57.360 White Women will be doing your Token Friend live and 1:11:57.400 --> 1:12:00.639 direct with the guests we're still picking out. It's gonna 1:12:00.640 --> 1:12:04.880 be great, I promise you. And then the next day 1:12:05.280 --> 1:12:07.960 I'll be doing a live podcast, Yo is this Racist? 1:12:08.040 --> 1:12:10.559 With Andrew T Tawny Newsom. It's gonna be a good time. 1:12:10.880 --> 1:12:14.040 Please come through, Please give if you want to patent it. 1:12:14.439 --> 1:12:17.000 If he hugged, let me know him hug you. Let 1:12:17.040 --> 1:12:18.840 me know if you have back issues, and then if 1:12:18.840 --> 1:12:20.800 you do, I won't lift you up. I made that 1:12:20.880 --> 1:12:24.040 mistake too many times. I don't risk it anymore, all right, 1:12:25.840 --> 1:12:26.719 Stay near to y'all,