WEBVTT - Ep 93 Lightning & Other Stories: Power Hour (and a Half)

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<v Speaker 1>I have lately made an experiment in electricity that I

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<v Speaker 1>desire never to repeat. Two nights ago, being about to

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<v Speaker 1>kill a turkey by the shock from two large glass

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<v Speaker 1>jars containing as much electrical fire as forty common files,

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<v Speaker 1>I inadvertently took the hole through my own arms and body.

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<v Speaker 1>The company present say the flash was very great, and

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<v Speaker 1>the crack as loud as a pistol, Yet my senses

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<v Speaker 1>being instantly gone, I neither saw the one, nor heard

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<v Speaker 1>the other, nor did I feel the stroke on my hand,

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<v Speaker 1>though afterward I found that it raised a round swelling

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<v Speaker 1>where the fire entered as big as half a pistol bullet,

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<v Speaker 1>by which you may judge the quickness of the electrical fire,

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<v Speaker 1>which by this instance seems to be greater than the sound, light,

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<v Speaker 1>or animal sensation. What I can remember of the matter

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<v Speaker 1>is that I was about to try whether the bottles

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<v Speaker 1>were fully charged by the strength and length of the

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<v Speaker 1>stream issuing to my hand, as I commonly used to do,

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<v Speaker 1>and which I might safely enough had done if I

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<v Speaker 1>had not held the chain in the other hand. I

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<v Speaker 1>then felt what I know not how to describe, a

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<v Speaker 1>universal blow through my whole body, from my head to

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<v Speaker 1>my foot, which seemed within as well as without, after

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<v Speaker 1>which the first thing I took notice of was a violent,

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<v Speaker 1>quick shaking of my body, which gradually my sense as

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<v Speaker 1>gradually returned, And I then thought the bottles must be discharged,

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<v Speaker 1>but could not conceive how till at last I perceived

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<v Speaker 1>the chain in my hand and recollected what I had

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<v Speaker 1>been about to do. That part of my hand and

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<v Speaker 1>fingers which held the chain was left white, as though

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<v Speaker 1>the blood had been driven out, and remained so eight

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<v Speaker 1>to ten minutes after, feeling like dead flesh, and I

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<v Speaker 1>had a numbness in my arms and the back of

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<v Speaker 1>my neck, which continued till the next morning, but wore off.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing remains now of this shock but a soreness in

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<v Speaker 1>my breastbone, which feels as if I had been bruised.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not fall, but suppose I should have been

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<v Speaker 1>knocked down if I had received the stroke in my head.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole was over in less than a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a lot of fun reading that one.

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<v Speaker 3>So I am really glad that you read that, because

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<v Speaker 3>you always do such a job. And I'm also glad

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<v Speaker 3>because it means that I get to tell you then

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<v Speaker 3>who that quote was.

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<v Speaker 2>From please because I don't know anything about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Benjamin Franklin.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, oh that was my second guess.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So Benjamin Franklin, as we all know, was a

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<v Speaker 3>huge lover of turkeys, but he was like most fond

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<v Speaker 3>of eating them.

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<v Speaker 2>I absolutely did not know that about him.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, but one of his like preferred methods of

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<v Speaker 3>killing a turkey before he ate it was electrocution until

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<v Speaker 3>this incident in which he was like, wow, that was

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<v Speaker 3>really bad. I could have died, and so he went

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<v Speaker 3>back to like normal killing a turkey. But one of

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<v Speaker 3>my favorite things about this passage is that I think

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<v Speaker 3>this was like in a letter to a friend or something,

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<v Speaker 3>because then he followed it up with Okay, you can

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<v Speaker 3>tell this person, but don't spread it more widely because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really embarrassed.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodnes nice.

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<v Speaker 1>I also like, don't understand how he was about to

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<v Speaker 1>electrocute this turkey.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't either, because I still feel like I don't

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<v Speaker 3>fully understand electricity.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, but same.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I think that you know, over the course

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<v Speaker 3>of this episode and then the next week's bonus episode,

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<v Speaker 3>will have a greater understanding of how he did that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so too.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, I'm Aaron Welsh.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Aaron Allman Updyke.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is this podcast will Kill You.

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<v Speaker 1>And today we're talking about uh, lightning, electricity either both,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean a little bit of both.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, electricity and the impact that it has on biological systems,

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<v Speaker 3>especially unexpected electricity. Not like how do our nerve impulses?

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<v Speaker 2>Wait? Yeah, yeah, okay, cool?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it quarantin any time?

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<v Speaker 2>It's quarantin any time. Let's get to it. Let's get

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<v Speaker 2>to it.

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<v Speaker 3>What are we do drinking this week?

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<v Speaker 2>Thunderstruck? Is that what we decided on?

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<v Speaker 3>That is what we decided on. But I want everyone

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<v Speaker 3>to know that I think the discussions for the quarantine

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<v Speaker 3>name for this episode went longer than any other one has,

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<v Speaker 3>at least in recent memory of the past couple of years.

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<v Speaker 3>So I wrote down a few of my favorites. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I love it, the power sour m that's a good one,

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<v Speaker 3>Lightning in a jar, Current affairs.

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<v Speaker 1>I really loved all of the current ones because when

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<v Speaker 1>you kept suggesting those, I was like.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get it. Oh, electric current, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Super juice, super juice, plug and chug and I think

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<v Speaker 3>finally the least creative, but the one that we were

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<v Speaker 3>both maybe second most tempted by, was energy drink.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually love energy drink, but.

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<v Speaker 3>We went with Thunderstruck. So, Aaron, what is in Thunderstruck.

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<v Speaker 2>Is lemonade, vodka and blue currosou.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's based on a real drink whose name I

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<v Speaker 3>can't remember now, maybe blue Lagoon. It's delicious. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 3>we'll post the full recipe for our quarantine as well

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<v Speaker 3>as our non alcoholic plasyberrita on our website. This podcast

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<v Speaker 3>All of it, right, I think it's close enough.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty close. Transcripts.

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<v Speaker 3>There we go. I have one more piece of business, please.

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<v Speaker 3>So a lot of people have asked us how we

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<v Speaker 3>but one of the ways is that listeners will often

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<v Speaker 3>and I want to just take this opportunity to say

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<v Speaker 3>a big thank you to everyone who has ever reached

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<v Speaker 3>out to us over the years with their experiences, and

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<v Speaker 3>also for everyone who has ever shared their first hand account. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>should we take a quick break and then get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's okay, So today we're talking about mostly lightning.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when we first were talking about this episode, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lightning episode, but then we realize that to talk about lightning,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to also talk about electricity, of course, So

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<v Speaker 1>I want to just say up front, I don't understand electricity.

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<v Speaker 2>It still feels like magic to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Lightning seems to genuinely be magic.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the end of the episode. Just kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to do our best as always, But what

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<v Speaker 1>I want to focus on, like you said, Aaron, is

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<v Speaker 1>our bodies responses to electricity, and especially the difference in

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<v Speaker 1>how we react or how electricity reacts with us when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes from say your household outlet versus lightning, because

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<v Speaker 1>they are very different, as it turns out. So electricity, really,

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<v Speaker 1>basically electric current is simply the flow or the movement

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<v Speaker 1>of positively and negatively charged ions. Right, electrons and protons

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<v Speaker 1>moving around.

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<v Speaker 2>That's electricity.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the things around us have charge, either positive

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<v Speaker 1>or negative or neutral charges. Our earth, our atmosphere, our bodies,

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<v Speaker 1>our couches, our cat's hair that we rub, right, We're

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<v Speaker 1>all made up of atoms that have protons and electrons

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<v Speaker 1>and thus carried charges or have the potential to carry charges.

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<v Speaker 1>So electricity is all around us. Lightning, in a very

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<v Speaker 1>very simplified sense, is one massive electric discharge. Essentially, here's

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<v Speaker 1>how it happens. Kind of lightning is created when there

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<v Speaker 1>are temperature differences between air mass. So what happens is

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<v Speaker 1>like the warm air down close to the Earth moves up.

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<v Speaker 1>Since warm air rises, it condenses to form clouds. The

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<v Speaker 1>water droplets freeze to become like ice crystals. Or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're continually being pushed around by all of the

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<v Speaker 1>air movement, and all of this movement between the ice

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<v Speaker 1>crystals creates this friction that causes electrons and protons to

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<v Speaker 1>be transferred between these water molecules, and they're continually moving

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<v Speaker 1>around in this giant storm, right and the storm is

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<v Speaker 1>moving along the ground. And so what happens is these ions,

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<v Speaker 1>the positive and negative ions, redistribute into these layers, and

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<v Speaker 1>generally the positive ones hang out on the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the cloud. The negative ions accumulate at the bottom, and

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<v Speaker 1>the earth, which usually is kind of negatively charged compared

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<v Speaker 1>to the atmosphere, now has this positive charge because of

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<v Speaker 1>how strong the negative charge at the bottom of.

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<v Speaker 2>This cloud is.

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<v Speaker 1>So these positive charges are accumulating, they're running along the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>they're running up the trees, along buildings, trying to move

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<v Speaker 1>upward towards this cloud to close this gap. And when

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<v Speaker 1>it just gets to be too much, when the potential

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<v Speaker 1>difference between the charges at the top of this cloud

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<v Speaker 1>and the bottom of this cloud and the earth get

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<v Speaker 1>to be just too strong, boom, lightning strike and then thunder,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a really important part of lightning because it

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<v Speaker 1>shows you The power of what's happening thunder is the

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<v Speaker 1>shock waves from this explosive expansion of air that becomes

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<v Speaker 1>superheated and ionized by this massive.

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<v Speaker 2>Bolt of electricity that just shot through it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, on a really, really, really tiny scale, we are

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<v Speaker 1>all very familiar with phenomenon because it's the same phenomenon

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<v Speaker 1>that creates the static electricity that we're familiar with. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>you pet your cat too hard and then you shock

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<v Speaker 1>their nose by accident.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that, that's your example.

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<v Speaker 2>It happens so often.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like the socks on carpet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was gonna say that too, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>wear socks as much lately.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't have a lot of carpet.

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<v Speaker 1>But or like you rub a balloon on your hair, right,

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<v Speaker 1>those actions cause the same kind of ion transfer and

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<v Speaker 1>lighting up of those positive and negative charges, and then

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<v Speaker 1>eventually a little teeny tiny bolt.

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<v Speaker 2>Of lightning happens between you and the floor or your

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<v Speaker 2>cat's nose.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is lightning. And like some real basics about

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<v Speaker 1>how it happens. Now, when it comes to lightning, there

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<v Speaker 1>are a few different ways that it can end up

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<v Speaker 1>traveling from that cloud to your human body. And they vary,

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<v Speaker 1>and I couldn't find good statistics on how often you

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<v Speaker 1>have one versus the other. And really, as we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to like lightning strike statistics in general,

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<v Speaker 1>we just don't have good stats.

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<v Speaker 2>But all of these are.

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<v Speaker 1>Possible types of like the way that you would come

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<v Speaker 1>into contact with lightning. First of all, you can have

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<v Speaker 1>a direct strike. If that lightning from that cloud hits

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<v Speaker 1>a person directly, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>A direct strike.

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<v Speaker 1>It's probably less common, but again stats are not great,

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<v Speaker 1>and some papers will say a direct strike is absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>the most deadly, but I think because our stats are

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<v Speaker 1>so poor, it's actually probably hard to get a handle

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<v Speaker 1>on whether or not that's true. But you can imagine

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<v Speaker 1>you're taking a greater amount of that lightning strike if

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<v Speaker 1>it hits you directly versus in some of the other

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<v Speaker 1>ways i'll talk about. So the next way is you

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<v Speaker 1>can have a contact injury, and that happens if you

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<v Speaker 1>are touched an object that's part of the path of

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<v Speaker 1>that current. Like let's say you're touching a fawcet in

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<v Speaker 1>your house and your house pipes get hit by lightning,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it goes through that faucet and into you

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<v Speaker 1>or you're touching a tree at the moment that that

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<v Speaker 1>tree gets hit, that's a contact and tree. Then there's

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<v Speaker 1>something that I think is so fascinating that's called a

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<v Speaker 1>side flash or a splash, and that's when the lightning

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<v Speaker 1>hits that's somewhere nearby to you and then jumps it

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<v Speaker 1>crosses an air gap and then jumps to you as

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<v Speaker 1>a nearby person. So you're just like splashed with some

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<v Speaker 1>of the force of the lightning as it makes its

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<v Speaker 1>way towards the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's really fascinating. Yeah, So the numbers that we

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<v Speaker 3>have are not great, like you said, and so I'm

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<v Speaker 3>guessing that I already know the answer to this question,

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<v Speaker 3>which is like how much do we know about the

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<v Speaker 3>strength or variability of those different types of contact with lightning.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great question. I don't fully know it, definitely,

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<v Speaker 1>like the less direct the contact is the less total

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<v Speaker 1>amount of electricity or energy that you're being exposed to.

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<v Speaker 1>But in all cases, the duration of contact is unbelievably

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<v Speaker 1>short in all of these cases. And then there is

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<v Speaker 1>also ground current, and that is if the lightning hits

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<v Speaker 1>the ground near you and then spreads out like radially,

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<v Speaker 1>and then comes up and hits you from the ground up.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the main types. There's also and I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is just oh my goodness, there has been reports

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<v Speaker 1>of something that's called an upward streamer. So you know

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<v Speaker 1>how I said that all those positive charges are running

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<v Speaker 1>along the ground and up to try and get to

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<v Speaker 1>the cloud as that energy from the cloud is coming down.

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<v Speaker 1>So there has been reports of people being struck from

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<v Speaker 1>the energy just from those upward streamers of energy, even

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<v Speaker 1>without them making contact with the actual lightning strike, which

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<v Speaker 1>is like what.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's also interesting, like because how do you determine

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<v Speaker 3>what it was?

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<v Speaker 2>I will post the paper where they did this.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a really interesting like forensic analysis paper where

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<v Speaker 1>they showed like they determined, you know, it wasn't all

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<v Speaker 1>of these other types and it couldn't have been from

0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:32.560
<v Speaker 1>the electric lines they were working on because of the

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<v Speaker 1>patterns of injury, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>And so yeah, that was like what they were left with.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it had been like a theoretical concept

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<v Speaker 1>prior to that, but this was one of the first

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<v Speaker 1>like documented look, this is what caused this injury?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh man?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wow, So that is.

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<v Speaker 1>How you can be struck by lightning. What happens when

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<v Speaker 1>you get hit?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, there's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, Aaron, There's just so much and so much of

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<v Speaker 1>What it comes down to that I think is so

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<v Speaker 1>interesting is that a we do not understand lightning. We

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<v Speaker 1>do not understand the effects that it has on the body.

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<v Speaker 1>And two, the rules that apply to electricity and electric

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<v Speaker 1>shocks and the body don't seem to apply to lightning.

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<v Speaker 2>Why let's let me get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of the papers that describe both lightning

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<v Speaker 1>and electricity injuries talk a lot about the characteristics of

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<v Speaker 1>electricity that determine how much of the electric current actually

0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:56.840
<v Speaker 1>flows through someone's body. Right, So these papers tend to

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<v Speaker 1>focus on six main things. Six component of electricity. They

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the type of current, which is whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>an alternating current or a direct current. They talk about

0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:14.080
<v Speaker 1>the voltage, the voltage being the pressure that causes that

0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:18.639
<v Speaker 1>current to flow. They talk about the amperage, which is

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<v Speaker 1>like the volume of electrons that are flowing. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>measure of the rate of flow. And then they talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the resistance, which is an intrinsic property of an object,

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<v Speaker 1>and different body tissues have different resistances. It's like the

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<v Speaker 1>ease or the difficulty with which the electric current can

0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:44.479
<v Speaker 1>actually travel. And then they talk about the pathway that

0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.440
<v Speaker 1>the current takes, which I kind of talked with lightning.

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<v Speaker 1>The different ways that you can come into contact. And

0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:55.159
<v Speaker 1>if you're thinking of household electronics, you can grab it

0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.880
<v Speaker 1>with your hand by accident. Little kids might put electric

0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:02.080
<v Speaker 1>cords in their mouth, right, So that will determine literally

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<v Speaker 1>like where in your body is this current going to flow?

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<v Speaker 1>And then the duration of contact. Now, when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to lightning, the voltage and the amperage that we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about unbelievably high, like ten or more million volts and

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<v Speaker 1>forty or more thousand amps.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really I don't have like a frame of

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<v Speaker 3>reference for that, but that sounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>So your household electric outlet is like one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>ten volts and like fifteen or twenty amps.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, yeah, okay, So it's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>But lightning does a few things that regular electricity doesn't do.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, it's a very different type of current.

0:19:55.720 --> 0:20:00.720
<v Speaker 1>So your household electric outlet is alternating current, a battery

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<v Speaker 1>is direct current, but lightning some papers that I read

0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:10.240
<v Speaker 1>said that lightning is like a direct current. But the

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<v Speaker 1>paper that I liked the best described it as quote

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<v Speaker 1>a unidirectional massive current impulse.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, it's a strike, it's not a current, and that

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<v Speaker 3>there's not a continuous flow for exactly the time exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing that makes it so massively different

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<v Speaker 1>from any other source of electricity is that the duration

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<v Speaker 1>of contact is instantaneous. It's fractions of milliseconds, whereas, especially

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<v Speaker 1>if you come into contact with a household electric source

0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:54.359
<v Speaker 1>or something that's like putting out alternating current, your body

0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:59.560
<v Speaker 1>reacts to that alternating current by having repetitive contractions, so

0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.679
<v Speaker 1>it can you to actually grab and continue to hold

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<v Speaker 1>on to that source, prolonging the duration of contact and

0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:11.680
<v Speaker 1>therefore prolonging the damage. But this is the literal opposite,

0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:15.800
<v Speaker 1>because it's such an instantaneous thing that it actually causes

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<v Speaker 1>an effect that I still don't fully understand.

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<v Speaker 2>That's called flashover. Let's talk about flashover.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you think of your body as an empty

0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:30.560
<v Speaker 1>can bear with me. When you come into contact with

0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:35.000
<v Speaker 1>like our home electricity, an ac current. It flows in

0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:38.040
<v Speaker 1>and out of that can, in and out, in and out,

0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:40.679
<v Speaker 1>and every time that it flows in and out and

0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:44.720
<v Speaker 1>that current reverses. It's doing damage the whole time, over

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<v Speaker 1>seconds and seconds, or even just a fraction of a second,

0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:52.640
<v Speaker 1>but a long fraction, like almost a whole second. That

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<v Speaker 1>creates a lot of thermal energy, right because that electrical

0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:01.600
<v Speaker 1>energy gets transferred into thermal energy. That results in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of burning superficial as well as deep burns as

0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:08.520
<v Speaker 1>it penetrates through our tissues or burns through the can

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever with lightning. The amount of current and the

0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:18.800
<v Speaker 1>rate at which it travels is so massive that that

0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:23.479
<v Speaker 1>can gets filled up instantaneously and the rest of that

0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:27.120
<v Speaker 1>current flows out and over the can. It spills all

0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:30.800
<v Speaker 1>around it, rather than staying contained within and causing damage

0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:34.600
<v Speaker 1>that is flash over, and so as it flows over

0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:38.640
<v Speaker 1>it can cause other damage that like normal electricity wouldn't

0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:43.200
<v Speaker 1>cause because it's flowing out over your body rather than through.

0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:44.479
<v Speaker 2>It, even though it's going through it.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, Yeah, but again it happens so quickly that we're

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<v Speaker 1>exposed to all of that current for a matter of

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<v Speaker 1>fractions of milliseconds, So it can definitely cause super fit damage.

0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:03.480
<v Speaker 1>It can melt our clothes to our skin, It can

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<v Speaker 1>rip apart clothes from steam vapor explosion of the steam

0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:11.360
<v Speaker 1>within our clothes. It can singe your hair, it can

0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:13.399
<v Speaker 1>heat up metal buckles.

0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:14.080
<v Speaker 2>And melt them.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's a very different pattern, especially of burns, than

0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:22.600
<v Speaker 1>we see in typical electric burns. It's like very very different.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that interesting?

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<v Speaker 3>It's really interesting, and I think it's like very I mean, honestly,

0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:32.480
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of terrifying. It enormous power.

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<v Speaker 1>I think one of the ways that I started to

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<v Speaker 1>think about this was that lightning strikes, the damage tends

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<v Speaker 1>to be a lot less physical, so you might not

0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:50.359
<v Speaker 1>see very much damage even if you look with like

0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:55.240
<v Speaker 1>an MRI or with imaging. It's almost like it just

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<v Speaker 1>does electrical damage in our bodies and we can't see

0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:05.440
<v Speaker 1>what that ends up doing. Whereas electricity, if you're exposed

0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:09.480
<v Speaker 1>to it from a household source, because that duration of

0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:14.879
<v Speaker 1>exposure is longer, that electrical energy gets transferred into heat energy.

0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:18.399
<v Speaker 1>So you have a lot more typical burns, you have

0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:22.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot more visual and physical damage that we're able

0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:25.840
<v Speaker 1>to see, and these type of injuries that your brain

0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:28.600
<v Speaker 1>probably associates with electricity.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that makes sense, and I think that that seems

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<v Speaker 3>to be what makes it so difficult to characterize and

0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:42.720
<v Speaker 3>to like categorize and to understand because we still it

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<v Speaker 3>seems like we still don't know so much about like

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<v Speaker 3>how our brain delivers signals and blah blah blah blah blah,

0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:53.800
<v Speaker 3>and so when something goes wrong, we don't know. We

0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:55.439
<v Speaker 3>know that something went wrong, but we don't know how

0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:55.960
<v Speaker 3>went wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But so let's talk about what kinds of damage

0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:04.640
<v Speaker 1>this lightning is actually inflicting.

0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:05.160
<v Speaker 2>Shall we.

0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Let's hear it, because it's not to say that lightning

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:11.800
<v Speaker 1>doesn't cause physical damage. It certainly does. It's just quite

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:15.520
<v Speaker 1>different than the damage that we see with other types

0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:23.120
<v Speaker 1>of electricity. So the most instantaneously deadly injury that happens

0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:27.200
<v Speaker 1>with lightning strikes is damage to our heart. Our heart

0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:31.800
<v Speaker 1>has its own little electrical system, so especially if current

0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:35.359
<v Speaker 1>of any type, not just lightning, is passing vertically through

0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:37.600
<v Speaker 1>our bodies, it has a pretty good chance of passing

0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:40.240
<v Speaker 1>over our heart, which sits kind of right in the center,

0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:44.440
<v Speaker 1>and that current can then disrupt our heart's internal electric

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:48.440
<v Speaker 1>system and lead to arrhythmias. It can lead to acistily

0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:52.600
<v Speaker 1>essentially stopping the heart entirely, or it can lead to

0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:56.199
<v Speaker 1>what's called ventricular fibrillation, which is when the bottom of

0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:58.280
<v Speaker 1>your heart, the part that's supposed to pump the blood

0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:00.160
<v Speaker 1>out of your heart to the rest of your body,

0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:07.720
<v Speaker 1>stops contracting and really instead goes like and fibrillates. Not

0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:11.520
<v Speaker 1>a good Sorry, you can't see my hands, but.

0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:13.560
<v Speaker 3>It was a good I think it was an adequate

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:14.680
<v Speaker 3>sound effecting.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>So what lightning can do is it can cause one

0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:28.000
<v Speaker 1>single instantaneous depolarization of the entire heart, one massive contraction

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:29.560
<v Speaker 1>that just then.

0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:33.240
<v Speaker 2>Stops the heart. And that's what it does.

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Often, because your heart has its own little electrical system,

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:42.080
<v Speaker 1>it will start again on its own. But if the

0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:46.200
<v Speaker 1>respiratory centers of your brain, which control our respiratory drive,

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.880
<v Speaker 1>also get affected by this current, then you can have

0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 1>respiratory arrest as well.

0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:52.680
<v Speaker 2>So you stop breathing.

0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:57.320
<v Speaker 1>If you stop breathing, your heart stops beating. That then

0:26:57.359 --> 0:27:02.959
<v Speaker 1>can prolong the cardiac arrest. So lightning strike can cause death.

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<v Speaker 1>I read anywhere from five to thirty percent of the time.

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Most sources said ten to thirty percent, and a few

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 1>papers said five to ten percent of the time, And

0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:17.680
<v Speaker 1>usually it's immediate death because of that cardiac arrest either

0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 1>without the heart ever returning to normal function, or if

0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 1>you have both a cardiac and a respiratory arrest without resuscitation,

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:31.240
<v Speaker 1>then you have death because of that. And one thing

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:35.760
<v Speaker 1>that's really interesting about lightning strikes specifically is that it's

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:41.080
<v Speaker 1>actually far more likely to have successful resuscitation in the

0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:45.119
<v Speaker 1>case of a cardiopulmonary arrest from lightning than from a

0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:49.919
<v Speaker 1>lot of other reasons for cardiac arrest. And there's a

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:52.879
<v Speaker 1>lot of different hypotheses as to like why. Part of

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 1>it might be that because it happens, so I just

0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:59.159
<v Speaker 1>keep saying this like it feels repetitive, but it is

0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 1>so instantaneous, this complete stop, that there's a thought that

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:08.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe you have more time before the tissue damage starts

0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>to occur, right whereas with a heart attack or something

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:16.479
<v Speaker 1>that blockage starts to cause cell damage over a period

0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:20.720
<v Speaker 1>of seconds or minutes, so you've already lost time. But

0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 1>many times people who are struck by lightning are otherwise

0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 1>young and quite healthy, so it might just be that

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:29.240
<v Speaker 1>they have more reserves, so to speak. We don't really know,

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:35.639
<v Speaker 1>but it's really interesting because it changes the paradox of

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 1>for example, in an emergency situation who should be the

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>first person that you like go to to try and save,

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 1>and likeag is like opposite exactly with lightning, it's the

0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 1>person who looks dead that's the person you go to first,

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 1>because their heart probably stopped, they might have stopped breathing,

0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:59.880
<v Speaker 1>but you'll probably get them back, Whereas if someone is breathing,

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:03.160
<v Speaker 1>is moaning, is making any kind of movement or noise,

0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 1>they're going to be okay, most likely in the immediate

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 1>emergent period. But so that's kind of the most extreme

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 1>thing that happens. But lightning can also cause a lot

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:22.800
<v Speaker 1>of skin damage. It can cause linear burns from water

0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:27.040
<v Speaker 1>on the skin being vaporized. It can cause these fascinating

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 1>feathery snowflake lightning strike patterns that actually aren't burns at all,

0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 1>and we don't even really understand what causes them, but

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 1>they tend to disappear in a matter of hours. It

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 1>can cause these small round burns that can be deep,

0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 1>but they're really small in diameter or in area. So

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:52.360
<v Speaker 1>in general, the skin and burn injuries that we see

0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:56.600
<v Speaker 1>from lightning tend to be much less severe, first of all,

0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:59.720
<v Speaker 1>than you would expect from such a huge amount of electricity.

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.320
<v Speaker 1>But also less severe than what we see from a

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 1>lot of other electric sources. Lightning, though, can cause a

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:12.600
<v Speaker 1>lot more trauma damage than some other electric sources, except

0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 1>for perhaps high tension wires. But because of the shock

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 1>wave that's generated by lightning, that shock wave itself can

0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 1>actually cause barrow trauma, which can cause injury to our

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:29.560
<v Speaker 1>internal organs. It can cause a concussion, it can rupture

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:37.120
<v Speaker 1>the ear drums, that is, it's terrifying. It's also thought

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 1>that during flash over the current can actually re enter

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:43.600
<v Speaker 1>our body through our eyes and our nose, which can

0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 1>then cause ocular damage like cataracts. And then of course

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 1>you can have trauma from falls, from being blasted away,

0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>or from shrapnel from a tree, etc. So there's a

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 1>lot of different ways that lightning can harm you. Yeah,

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>of course there's the neurologic damage, and the neurologic effects

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 1>can also be pretty wide ranging. They can be transient

0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 1>where they go away really quickly, and it's actually pretty

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:19.080
<v Speaker 1>common to have something called karunoparalysis, which is pretty specific

0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:23.160
<v Speaker 1>to lightning strikes. It's a total paralysis, especially of the

0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 1>lower extremities, but it's transient and it goes away within

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 1>a matter of hours. Not fully understood, lightning strikes can

0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:37.720
<v Speaker 1>cause a lot of autonomic instability, which means like your

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:40.080
<v Speaker 1>autonomic nervous system is the part of your body that

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 1>controls all of our involuntary actions, your heart rate, your temperature,

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:49.440
<v Speaker 1>control your blood vessel, your digestion. Right, so this can

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:53.200
<v Speaker 1>manifest as temperature instability, as a fast heart rate for

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:57.720
<v Speaker 1>seemingly no reason, as blood pressure problems. But again, these

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 1>type of findings tend to improve reallygelatively quickly. There can

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 1>also be immediate effects from a lightning strike neurologically that

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 1>don't recover as quickly, that are more prolonged, and that

0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 1>can happen either from direct damage from electric current or

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 1>from things like a schemic injury from like a hemorrhage

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 1>or a stroke. If you have damage to blood vessels,

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:25.720
<v Speaker 1>et cetera, gotcha. And then there are a lot of

0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>delayed onset of symptoms that can be anything from movement

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 1>disorders like if there's motor neuron damage. But then of

0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:40.520
<v Speaker 1>course there are neurocognitive and neuropsychiatric findings that in many

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 1>cases can be profound and can be completely life changing,

0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 1>and we do not understand the mechanism or the extent.

0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 3>It's so I feel like lightning is portrayed as like, oh,

0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 3>it's this deadly thing, which it absolutely is, and if

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:07.000
<v Speaker 3>you survive it, then you have special powers afterwards where

0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 3>you can suddenly play the guitar or speak nine different

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 3>languages that you didn't know before. And like, first of

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 3>all those stories, I looked into a couple of them,

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 3>and they're not They're not true. They're obviously not true. Yeah,

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 3>but I think also what's glossed over is that, yes,

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:24.640
<v Speaker 3>you can survive lightning, but it can be hugely disruptive

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:27.400
<v Speaker 3>for the rest of your life or at least for

0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:30.080
<v Speaker 3>like way longer afterwards. I didn't know that.

0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 1>No, I absolutely did not either. So the neuropsychiatric effects,

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:37.760
<v Speaker 1>they can be very wide ranging. They can be anything

0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:43.280
<v Speaker 1>from like photophobia so difficulty with light, hyperacousis so like

0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:48.640
<v Speaker 1>really sensitive to sounds. It can cause emotional liability, mood

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:51.600
<v Speaker 1>swings that go in a second from like really really

0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:55.440
<v Speaker 1>overjoyed to like everything is terrible but something that you

0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 1>have absolutely no control over, sleep disturbances. It can cause

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 1>assnxiety or hypervigilance. It can result in a lot of

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:09.400
<v Speaker 1>memory deficits, especially in working memory, or difficulty with word

0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:13.680
<v Speaker 1>finding or auditory memory. There's been studies that have shown

0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:17.720
<v Speaker 1>that it can affect your processing speed. Post traumatic stress

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:21.400
<v Speaker 1>disorder happens in about thirty percent of people after a

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:25.479
<v Speaker 1>lightning injury. It's so wide ranging, and I think what's

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 1>so important about this type of neuropsychiatric findings is the

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 1>downstream effect that these can have on somebody's life, because

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 1>they not only can affect the way that somebody interacts

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 1>with the world, but they then can go on to

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 1>affect a person's relationships, marriages, friendships, things that make a

0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:50.839
<v Speaker 1>person who they are, which is terrifying.

0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:55.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it also seems, I think, probably very frustrating

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:58.160
<v Speaker 3>that we know so little about this, which means that

0:34:58.239 --> 0:34:59.400
<v Speaker 3>we know so little.

0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:02.960
<v Speaker 2>About how to treat or help provide.

0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:05.600
<v Speaker 3>Any sort of symptom management in terms of those sorts

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:06.080
<v Speaker 3>of things.

0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think it comes down to we know

0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 1>so little about how the brain works.

0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that how do we.

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Know how this you know, instantaneous massive force of electricity,

0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 1>How has that affected the wiring of your brain? It

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:28.040
<v Speaker 1>affects it, right, we know, but we don't understand how.

0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:32.719
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, Aaron, that's a very long winded and probably

0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:33.719
<v Speaker 1>not detailed enough.

0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Lightning.

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 3>It's so interesting because there's so much there, but it's

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:41.759
<v Speaker 3>also like so many questions. Oh my gosh, I know,

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 3>making me flashbacks to the multiple sclerosis episode.

0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:51.960
<v Speaker 2>So Aarin, tell me, how did we get here?

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:56.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm definitely not going to answer those questions.

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know how to ask a question about lightning, honestly.

0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:02.799
<v Speaker 3>Well, I will take you on a tour through the

0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:41.960
<v Speaker 3>history of electricity right after this break. All right, so

0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:47.640
<v Speaker 3>the entire history of electricity, let's begin. Just kidding, there's

0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:50.839
<v Speaker 3>absolutely no way I'm going to do that, not even

0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:54.600
<v Speaker 3>going to try, never planned on it. Yeah, that's outside

0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 3>my reach. But instead, what I decided to do was

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 3>to pick four topics or stories or whatever in the

0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:06.239
<v Speaker 3>history of electricity and tell you about them. Okay, so

0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:07.919
<v Speaker 3>it's not going to be as deep of a dive

0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 3>as I normally do on like a topic, but I

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 3>think it's going to be a fun or at least

0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:16.440
<v Speaker 3>interesting time, and I think that you'll end up with

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 3>a lot of trivia about electricity.

0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 2>I can't wait.

0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Right off the bat, I want to shout out the

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:25.120
<v Speaker 3>primary source I used, which is the newest book from

0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:29.799
<v Speaker 3>doctor Timothy Jorgenson called spark It's all about electricity from

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:33.399
<v Speaker 3>a biological perspective. It is a fascinating and excellent read,

0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 3>and I really loved it. And you might remember doctor

0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 3>Jorgenson from our episode on radiation that we did a

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:42.200
<v Speaker 3>couple of seasons ago, when we had him on to

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:47.000
<v Speaker 3>explain how in the heck radiation worked. And since doctor

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:51.360
<v Speaker 3>Jorgenson does such an amazing job of explaining these super

0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:53.799
<v Speaker 3>complicated topics in a way that I feel like I

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 3>can actually understand, I wanted to have him on again

0:37:57.840 --> 0:38:02.919
<v Speaker 3>to explain how precisely electricity works. So tune in next

0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:05.680
<v Speaker 3>week for the bonus episode where I get to ask

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 3>him a bunch of questions about how electricity works and

0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 3>why it's so important in understanding biology. Yeah, okay, but

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.239
<v Speaker 3>are you ready to hear my little vignettes?

0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:19.479
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you can't wait.

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:23.080
<v Speaker 3>Do you want to know the four topics or do

0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:24.000
<v Speaker 3>you want to be surprised?

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:26.239
<v Speaker 2>I think I want to be surprised.

0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 3>Okay, here we go. Number one. I've got to start,

0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:35.440
<v Speaker 3>of course with lightning. Oh yes, and specifically one of

0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:39.600
<v Speaker 3>the most famous stories in the history of lightning is.

0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:41.600
<v Speaker 2>It BF and the kit and the key.

0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 3>It is finally.

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 2>A history story I at least have heard.

0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 3>Of, but starting way before that, people have long observed

0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:57.240
<v Speaker 3>and revered lightning like it holds a really significant place

0:38:57.320 --> 0:39:01.520
<v Speaker 3>in many historical religions or mythology. You have Zeus in

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:05.800
<v Speaker 3>Greek mythology, thor in Norse mythology. Indra is the Hindu

0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:08.800
<v Speaker 3>god of storms. Uko is the finish god of thunder

0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:12.480
<v Speaker 3>and sky and weather, and the finish word ukunen means lightning,

0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:16.440
<v Speaker 3>and in the traditional religion of Bantu tribes in Africa,

0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:20.080
<v Speaker 3>lightning is a sign of the gods being angry. And

0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:24.239
<v Speaker 3>there's also representations of lightning in art and etchings going

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:29.200
<v Speaker 3>back thousands and thousands of years. And the fascination that

0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:33.360
<v Speaker 3>people had with lightning and the power, like the mystical

0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:37.359
<v Speaker 3>power they ascribed to it, It's completely understandable, right, I mean,

0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:41.400
<v Speaker 3>it's still fascinating and terrifying. But I'm not here to

0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:44.680
<v Speaker 3>talk about lightning in mythology, even though I would love

0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:46.719
<v Speaker 3>to do that. But what I really want to talk

0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:51.320
<v Speaker 3>about is when people realized what lightning was and how

0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 3>they gained that understanding. Electricity itself has long, long been

0:39:57.160 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 3>recognized by people, and not necessarily in the context of lightning.

0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:05.279
<v Speaker 3>Like people didn't look at lightning and immediately go, that's electricity.

0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:10.720
<v Speaker 3>The word electrical comes from the Latin word electricus, meaning

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:15.799
<v Speaker 3>amber like, which refers to the fact that amber, when

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.960
<v Speaker 3>rubbed with a piece of wool, gets statically charged, and

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 3>so you get little shocks of static electricity, which is

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:23.840
<v Speaker 3>actually the way you can tell whether it's real amber

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:28.759
<v Speaker 3>or not. But people saw this characteristic of amber, and

0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:32.160
<v Speaker 3>it was believed to have mystical or healing properties for

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:36.480
<v Speaker 3>that reason, For this like electrical reason, there are amber

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:41.440
<v Speaker 3>pendants dating back to twelve thousand BCE, for instance. And

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:45.560
<v Speaker 3>over time, people began observing static electricity in other materials

0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:48.800
<v Speaker 3>and began to characterize as much as they could about

0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:52.919
<v Speaker 3>how this electricity worked and how these materials behaved under

0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:58.279
<v Speaker 3>certain circumstances. And this process of observation and recording and

0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:01.960
<v Speaker 3>reporting and so on it allowed people to harness the

0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:05.600
<v Speaker 3>power of electricity, at least to a certain degree, a

0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:11.399
<v Speaker 3>small degree, pretty small for centuries, and I'm glossing over

0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:15.480
<v Speaker 3>a lot here. The only way that people could intentionally

0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 3>produce static electricity is by rubbing materials together petting your

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:25.280
<v Speaker 3>cat really hard, just kidding, like rubbing amber with wool,

0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:28.279
<v Speaker 3>But doing that manually meant that the amount that you

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:32.680
<v Speaker 3>could generate was pretty limited. So people began inventing tools

0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:36.000
<v Speaker 3>to help, such as hand crank tools that rotated an

0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:39.240
<v Speaker 3>object against a piece of silk, a static electricity machine,

0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:43.319
<v Speaker 3>and ways to temporarily store that static electricity.

0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:48.439
<v Speaker 3>By the mid seventeen hundreds, the concept of electricity had

0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:54.720
<v Speaker 3>generated and I put a little asterisk, yeah, a lot

0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:58.919
<v Speaker 3>of attention and interest, and people would only become more

0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 3>and more fascinated by this over the rest of the century.

0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:06.239
<v Speaker 3>So where does Benjamin Franklin fit into all this? I

0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:08.919
<v Speaker 3>teased his name, and now I haven't talked about him yet. Okay,

0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:14.560
<v Speaker 3>So the classic story of ben Franklin is what, oh.

0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:17.080
<v Speaker 1>He like flew a kite into a cloud and got

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:19.040
<v Speaker 1>electrocuted by lightning?

0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:22.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Right, is something like that. I feel like I

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:26.480
<v Speaker 3>feel like I learned it as Benjamin Franklin discovered electricity.

0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:29.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, okay by flying his kite in a lightning storm.

0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:32.920
<v Speaker 3>But that obviously that didn't happen, right, People already knew

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:36.960
<v Speaker 3>that electricity existed. We also don't know if the kite

0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:41.520
<v Speaker 3>experiment happened itself, or if Ben Franklin was involved, or

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:44.520
<v Speaker 3>if he just designed the experiment, but it seems probable

0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:48.640
<v Speaker 3>that it did actually happen. So if this story has

0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:52.680
<v Speaker 3>been like misrepresented over time and it's not really quite truthful,

0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:55.040
<v Speaker 3>why do we all still know about it?

0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Tell me why, Eric?

0:42:57.840 --> 0:43:01.520
<v Speaker 3>Okay. So, several people, including Ben Franklin, had floated the

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:05.800
<v Speaker 3>idea that lightning storms were electrical. A lightning strike looks

0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:09.160
<v Speaker 3>like a giant spark in the sky, basically like a

0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:13.719
<v Speaker 3>giant sized version of that static electricity discharge spark on

0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:18.359
<v Speaker 3>your cat's nose, And so people thought that maybe electricity

0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:22.560
<v Speaker 3>was stored in storm clouds and then discharged under certain conditions.

0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:26.640
<v Speaker 3>That's a reasonable hypothesis, but that's all it was. It

0:43:26.680 --> 0:43:30.080
<v Speaker 3>was just hypothesis, and no one knew for sure, And

0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:32.759
<v Speaker 3>so Ben wanted to find out. Ben were on first

0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:36.600
<v Speaker 3>name basis, of course we are. So he devised an

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:40.520
<v Speaker 3>experiment that fortunately went through several revisions because the first

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:43.799
<v Speaker 3>versions were like incredibly dangerous, even more so than the

0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:47.239
<v Speaker 3>final one ended up being. And they involved like a

0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:49.480
<v Speaker 3>person standing on top of a wooden platform holding a

0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:51.720
<v Speaker 3>metal rod in the middle of the storm and stuff

0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:55.000
<v Speaker 3>like that not good ideas, and so Ben made some

0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:58.480
<v Speaker 3>adjustments to this experiment to make it safer. So he

0:43:58.560 --> 0:44:01.160
<v Speaker 3>decided that all he needed was a kite that had

0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:05.080
<v Speaker 3>like a metal rod attached a key, a device called

0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:09.200
<v Speaker 3>a lighten jar, which is essentially used to store static electricity.

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:12.359
<v Speaker 3>Apparently it's like a modern day capacitor. I don't know

0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:16.040
<v Speaker 3>how that works, so I'm just going to say it's

0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:18.879
<v Speaker 3>a jar that's used to store static electricity. Okay, yep.

0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:19.240
<v Speaker 2>Cool.

0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:22.480
<v Speaker 3>He also needed a silk ribbon and nerves of steel.

0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:25.319
<v Speaker 3>The only thing left to do was to wait for

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:29.680
<v Speaker 3>the right storm, which arrived in Philadelphia in June of

0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 3>seventeen fifty two. According to reports from that time, Ben

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:37.280
<v Speaker 3>and his son went out into the storm and threw

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:41.080
<v Speaker 3>the kite up into the skies. The metal rod attached

0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:43.839
<v Speaker 3>to the kite picked up some of the ambient electricity

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:47.479
<v Speaker 3>from the storm, not lightning itself, because he probably would

0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:49.640
<v Speaker 3>have died if he'd been struck by lightning or at

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:55.319
<v Speaker 3>least been severely injured, and that electricity traveled down the

0:44:55.320 --> 0:44:58.400
<v Speaker 3>wet twine string into the key that was tied to

0:44:58.440 --> 0:45:02.719
<v Speaker 3>the twine and Ben was like, is this key charged?

0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:05.080
<v Speaker 3>Is this key of electricity? And he felt a little

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:07.040
<v Speaker 3>spark and so he was like perfect. So he was

0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:10.160
<v Speaker 3>able to collect some of the storm's electricity and store

0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:11.399
<v Speaker 3>it in that lighten jar.

0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:18.759
<v Speaker 1>So he did it just with the storm, not with lightning. Yeah,

0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:20.600
<v Speaker 1>it's a big difference.

0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:23.879
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's a big difference. And I think that there

0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:27.120
<v Speaker 3>probably were strikes that happened, Like it was clearly like

0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:30.600
<v Speaker 3>a you know, thunderstorm, lightning storm or whatever, but he

0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:34.400
<v Speaker 3>was able to collect that electricity without a lightning strike.

0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Fascinating.

0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:40.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's a It was a huge deal. And

0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:42.160
<v Speaker 3>I also just want to take a moment to say,

0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:47.040
<v Speaker 3>don't do this at home. Yeah, probably because it's still

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:51.080
<v Speaker 3>a very dangerous experiment. And actually, the year after he

0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:56.400
<v Speaker 3>did this kite flying experiment, another scientist tried it elsewhere

0:45:56.719 --> 0:46:00.680
<v Speaker 3>but was killed by ball lightning. So yeah, anyway, so

0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:05.759
<v Speaker 3>newspapers all over published the accounts of Ben Franklin's experiment

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:09.879
<v Speaker 3>and it made him like quite the celebrity. And even

0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:14.200
<v Speaker 3>though he didn't discover electricity in this kite situation, his

0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:18.040
<v Speaker 3>experiment did teach us several things. The first is that

0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:22.480
<v Speaker 3>it showed that lightning is indeed electrical, right. The phenomenon

0:46:22.520 --> 0:46:25.320
<v Speaker 3>that you had when you rubbed amber was the same,

0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:28.240
<v Speaker 3>but on a much much larger scale that you saw

0:46:28.320 --> 0:46:32.839
<v Speaker 3>in nature when there was a thunderstorm. Another is that

0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:37.080
<v Speaker 3>it hinted at the enormous electrical power in storms and

0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:41.160
<v Speaker 3>how we could possibly someday either harness it or that

0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:46.560
<v Speaker 3>we could maybe generate great amounts of electricity ourselves. And

0:46:46.600 --> 0:46:49.400
<v Speaker 3>the last big thing that I'll mention is that this

0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:53.200
<v Speaker 3>experiment kind of immediately showed that lightning rods like the

0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:57.040
<v Speaker 3>rod attached to the kite, could be used to protect structures,

0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:00.200
<v Speaker 3>which is an idea that Ben Franklin and others had

0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:03.480
<v Speaker 3>been working on for a few years. I think that

0:47:04.400 --> 0:47:06.200
<v Speaker 3>many of us, or at least I'll speak for myself,

0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:10.399
<v Speaker 3>I definitely take it for granted that when I am

0:47:10.440 --> 0:47:14.280
<v Speaker 3>inside my home, I am protected from lightning, Oh my gosh, yes,

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:15.720
<v Speaker 3>or like in a public building.

0:47:15.920 --> 0:47:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:19.080
<v Speaker 3>But A that hasn't always been the case, and b

0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:22.960
<v Speaker 3>it still is not the case for many people. Yeah,

0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:27.120
<v Speaker 3>And in Ben Franklin's time, lightning posed a serious risk

0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:31.719
<v Speaker 3>to people's houses and their crops and their lives, and

0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:34.880
<v Speaker 3>there were always like newspaper reports of like these deadly

0:47:34.960 --> 0:47:37.880
<v Speaker 3>lightning strikes and it seemed to like be a very

0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:40.840
<v Speaker 3>scary and real constant threat. Yeah.

0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I absolutely reading this made me so much more terrified

0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:49.520
<v Speaker 1>of lightning because I never realized how easy it would

0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:52.480
<v Speaker 1>be to not have the protection that I have inside

0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:52.839
<v Speaker 1>my home.

0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:53.480
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm.

0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:54.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:47:54.239 --> 0:47:57.800
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. And so when this experiment showed that lightning rods

0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:01.840
<v Speaker 3>could be used to like protect your house or your building,

0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:04.919
<v Speaker 3>people jumped on the idea and they begin installing them

0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:08.000
<v Speaker 3>in houses in public buildings, and some of these are

0:48:08.040 --> 0:48:10.319
<v Speaker 3>still in use today, such as the one on the

0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:13.840
<v Speaker 3>Maryland State House, which is one of Ben's original rods,

0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:15.640
<v Speaker 3>installed in seventeen eighty eight.

0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:18.919
<v Speaker 2>That's pretty cool, I know, But I.

0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:21.279
<v Speaker 3>Also just think this is interesting, and this is sort

0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:24.120
<v Speaker 3>of where I go right into like trivia mode here.

0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:30.440
<v Speaker 3>These lightning rods weren't universally popular. Churches actually didn't readily

0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:33.600
<v Speaker 3>adopt lightning rods because many of these churches had bell

0:48:33.680 --> 0:48:37.960
<v Speaker 3>towers ringing bells, and ringing bells were widely believed to

0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:42.560
<v Speaker 3>protect the church from lightning. And apparently there are bells

0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:46.680
<v Speaker 3>that have this inscription of a Latin phrase that translated

0:48:46.719 --> 0:48:49.240
<v Speaker 3>into English means I break the lightning.

0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:54.840
<v Speaker 3>I think that's so interesting. Turns out bells do not

0:48:55.000 --> 0:48:58.560
<v Speaker 3>protect you from lightning, and in fact can be quite dangerous,

0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:02.319
<v Speaker 3>especially because in a storm, bell ringers were called to

0:49:02.360 --> 0:49:05.279
<v Speaker 3>go ring the bells, and so they'd be ringing this

0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:07.279
<v Speaker 3>wet rope and then get struck by lightning, and so

0:49:07.320 --> 0:49:10.480
<v Speaker 3>a lot of deaths happen that way. So I want

0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:13.960
<v Speaker 3>to wrap up this first story with a few pieces

0:49:13.960 --> 0:49:18.600
<v Speaker 3>of trivia about lightning in twenty sixteen. This is just

0:49:18.640 --> 0:49:21.960
<v Speaker 3>like literally like bullet points. Here. In twenty sixteen, three

0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:25.880
<v Speaker 3>hundred and twenty three reindeer in Norway were killed like

0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:28.800
<v Speaker 3>all at the same time while huddling together during a storm.

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:35.360
<v Speaker 3>What uh huh. The longest lasting recorded lightning strike was

0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:40.759
<v Speaker 3>seventeen point one seconds in a storm over Uruguay and

0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:45.920
<v Speaker 3>northern Argentina in June of twenty twenty. Oh No, and

0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:50.080
<v Speaker 3>apparently the longest single flash was four hundred and seventy

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:53.560
<v Speaker 3>seven point two miles or seven hundred and sixty eight kilometers,

0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:57.480
<v Speaker 3>just like across parts of the southern US in April

0:49:57.480 --> 0:49:58.760
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty.

0:49:59.080 --> 0:49:59.640
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:07.839
<v Speaker 3>Okay, trivia over, Moving on to number two Ben's kite

0:50:07.880 --> 0:50:12.120
<v Speaker 3>flying it had expanded the boundaries of what electricity could

0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:15.360
<v Speaker 3>be and how and where it could appear. And in

0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:20.399
<v Speaker 3>the decades after his experiment, electricity researchers dug deeper into

0:50:20.400 --> 0:50:25.600
<v Speaker 3>the characteristics of electricity and especially whether different special types

0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:30.520
<v Speaker 3>of electricity existed. Was all electricity the same? And this

0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:35.600
<v Speaker 3>ultimately led to a huge debate over something called animal electricity,

0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:39.960
<v Speaker 3>and that debate, in turn led to one of the

0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:45.759
<v Speaker 3>most impactful advancements in the history of electricity. Okay, So,

0:50:46.480 --> 0:50:50.440
<v Speaker 3>animal electricity was this idea put forth in the seventeen

0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:54.600
<v Speaker 3>hundreds and championed heavily in the late seventeen hundreds by

0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:59.120
<v Speaker 3>an Italian researcher named Luigi Galvani. Okay. And it was

0:50:59.160 --> 0:51:03.319
<v Speaker 3>the idea that all animals created and stored electricity in

0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:07.520
<v Speaker 3>their bodies, particularly in their brains, and that this animal

0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:10.160
<v Speaker 3>electricity was responsible for movement.

0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:11.240
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:14.560
<v Speaker 3>So he believed that this type of electricity was unique

0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:17.279
<v Speaker 3>to living things only, and it was not the same

0:51:17.320 --> 0:51:20.520
<v Speaker 3>electricity that you could store in a leiden jar, for instance,

0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:24.480
<v Speaker 3>And part of why he was so adamant that this

0:51:24.640 --> 0:51:27.600
<v Speaker 3>was the way things were and that animal electricity was

0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:32.240
<v Speaker 3>unique is because he was deeply religious and he believed

0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:35.280
<v Speaker 3>that it was heresy to try to understand the inner

0:51:35.320 --> 0:51:39.680
<v Speaker 3>workings of God's creations or to try to imitate them.

0:51:39.719 --> 0:51:42.760
<v Speaker 3>And so he was like, no, if you can generate

0:51:42.800 --> 0:51:46.359
<v Speaker 3>satic electricity and store that in a lighten jar, there's

0:51:46.440 --> 0:51:48.719
<v Speaker 3>no way that that could be the same thing that

0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:49.600
<v Speaker 3>is in animals.

0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:51.080
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay.

0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:55.239
<v Speaker 3>So to prove that animal electricity existed, Galvani did this

0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:59.320
<v Speaker 3>series of experiments involving dead frogs in different metal wires.

0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:03.160
<v Speaker 3>So when he attached these frog's legs to the wires,

0:52:04.000 --> 0:52:08.040
<v Speaker 3>he noticed that they jumped or twitched, which he concluded

0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:11.920
<v Speaker 3>was proof that the wires were simply allowing the stored

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:16.040
<v Speaker 3>up animal electricity to be released, like opening the valve.

0:52:17.920 --> 0:52:21.720
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, I don't understand how you reached

0:52:21.719 --> 0:52:25.160
<v Speaker 1>that conclusion, But okay, Galvani, well give me some more.

0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:28.919
<v Speaker 3>You know who else didn't understand how he could reach

0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:35.040
<v Speaker 3>that conclusion was another Italian researcher, Alessandro Volta ah Volta

0:52:35.239 --> 0:52:39.920
<v Speaker 3>Volta and so Volta was the opposite of Galvani in

0:52:39.960 --> 0:52:44.240
<v Speaker 3>like every way, and so he looked at this experience

0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:46.759
<v Speaker 3>and was like, just like you said, I don't know

0:52:46.800 --> 0:52:49.640
<v Speaker 3>how you could conclude that it was the frog and

0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:53.120
<v Speaker 3>not the wires. So on the two sides of this,

0:52:53.600 --> 0:52:57.799
<v Speaker 3>Galvani saying, no, the movement is coming from internal electricity,

0:52:58.080 --> 0:53:01.759
<v Speaker 3>from the animal itself, and Volta was like, no, it

0:53:01.840 --> 0:53:06.880
<v Speaker 3>is the application of external electricity causing the movement. And

0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:10.000
<v Speaker 3>the two went back and forth in their feud until

0:53:10.080 --> 0:53:12.439
<v Speaker 3>Volta decided that he needed to settle the matter once

0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:16.000
<v Speaker 3>and for all. So he was he was always experimenting

0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:19.240
<v Speaker 3>with things, and he had noticed that when he placed

0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:24.399
<v Speaker 3>coins made of different metals on his tongue and like, yeah,

0:53:24.480 --> 0:53:26.720
<v Speaker 3>put them down, he felt a bit of a tingle,

0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:31.640
<v Speaker 3>kind of like an electric shock. And the strength and

0:53:31.680 --> 0:53:35.000
<v Speaker 3>the strength of that tingle depended on which types of

0:53:35.040 --> 0:53:38.200
<v Speaker 3>metals the coins were made of. Okay, And so he

0:53:38.280 --> 0:53:41.080
<v Speaker 3>wanted to understand what was going on Like that seemed

0:53:41.080 --> 0:53:43.680
<v Speaker 3>to him like electricity, But how could he use that?

0:53:44.640 --> 0:53:47.399
<v Speaker 3>And so he went to the literature and he came

0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:50.799
<v Speaker 3>across the description of an animal that gave him a

0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:52.799
<v Speaker 3>little spark of inspiration.

0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:57.160
<v Speaker 2>I love the acube drop in these uh huh.

0:53:56.440 --> 0:54:01.840
<v Speaker 3>Of the torpedo fish, also called the electric red Oh, Yeah,

0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:07.160
<v Speaker 3>torpedo fish are so cool. So torpedo fish are kinds

0:54:07.160 --> 0:54:09.600
<v Speaker 3>of rays found in the Eastern Atlantic Ocean and in

0:54:09.600 --> 0:54:14.160
<v Speaker 3>the Mediterranean, And what makes them so unbelievably fascinating is

0:54:14.160 --> 0:54:17.400
<v Speaker 3>that they have the ability to generate an electric shock

0:54:17.560 --> 0:54:20.520
<v Speaker 3>so strong that it can knock a person unconscious.

0:54:20.960 --> 0:54:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:25.600
<v Speaker 3>Yes, they use this to stun prey of course. Oh,

0:54:25.600 --> 0:54:27.760
<v Speaker 3>I was so tempted to go into the evolutionary history

0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:31.960
<v Speaker 3>of electricity, electrosensory organs and fish and stuff like that,

0:54:32.040 --> 0:54:37.200
<v Speaker 3>but I resisted. But people had been aware of these

0:54:37.200 --> 0:54:41.319
<v Speaker 3>torpedo fish for hundreds even thousands of years, and they

0:54:41.320 --> 0:54:45.200
<v Speaker 3>were thought to have mystical properties because of this shock.

0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:48.560
<v Speaker 3>Of course, they were used by some physicians in ancient

0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:51.360
<v Speaker 3>Rome to treat various medical issues, like they would just

0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:56.759
<v Speaker 3>like put the torpedo fish on the person. One of

0:54:56.800 --> 0:55:02.720
<v Speaker 3>the ailments that they were used for is hemorrhoids second owl.

0:55:03.560 --> 0:55:09.160
<v Speaker 3>I know, like terrible. But the nature of this shock

0:55:09.239 --> 0:55:12.759
<v Speaker 3>that they delivered was debated. Was it electricity? There was

0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:16.160
<v Speaker 3>no visible spark, so was it actually just the sting

0:55:17.040 --> 0:55:20.600
<v Speaker 3>or was it something totally different. In the seventeen seventies,

0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:23.800
<v Speaker 3>so a couple of decades before the debate between Galvani

0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:26.840
<v Speaker 3>and Volta kind of came to a head. An English

0:55:26.920 --> 0:55:32.719
<v Speaker 3>scientist named Henry Cavendish showed that the torpedo fish produced electricity,

0:55:32.760 --> 0:55:34.920
<v Speaker 3>But still there was this question of like, well, what

0:55:35.000 --> 0:55:38.280
<v Speaker 3>kind of electricity is it? Is this the same kind

0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:43.560
<v Speaker 3>that we could artificially produce, or is it this animal electricity?

0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:47.720
<v Speaker 3>And so when Volta came across descriptions of this fish

0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:52.840
<v Speaker 3>and particularly their electric organs, these columns of jelly filled disks,

0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:56.600
<v Speaker 3>he thought, I wonder if these work in the same

0:55:56.719 --> 0:56:00.560
<v Speaker 3>way that my metal coins on my tongue do. Like

0:56:00.719 --> 0:56:03.640
<v Speaker 3>just a couple of coins stacked together give me a

0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:06.680
<v Speaker 3>light tingle. But if I increase the number of coins

0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:09.560
<v Speaker 3>that touch like the way these columns of disk in

0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:13.960
<v Speaker 3>the electric fish are arranged, would the amount of electricity

0:56:14.320 --> 0:56:18.839
<v Speaker 3>also increase and lead to a larger shock. Huh? So

0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:22.880
<v Speaker 3>he tried it out. He stacked disks of copper and

0:56:23.040 --> 0:56:26.640
<v Speaker 3>zinc and other metals along with cloth dipped in either

0:56:26.719 --> 0:56:30.160
<v Speaker 3>dilute acidic solution or salt water, until he had this

0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:35.920
<v Speaker 3>big pile of disks. He attached wires to each end,

0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:40.400
<v Speaker 3>and then he tested it on his tongue. Again that idea,

0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:45.120
<v Speaker 3>and sure enough a stronger tingle. But not only was

0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:48.000
<v Speaker 3>it a greater shock, he was also surprised to find

0:56:48.000 --> 0:56:52.360
<v Speaker 3>out that it was continuous electricity was flowing out of

0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:56.560
<v Speaker 3>his pile like water. Hence why we call things like

0:56:56.640 --> 0:57:00.240
<v Speaker 3>electrical current or the flow of electricity was like liquid.

0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:03.640
<v Speaker 3>People thought it was liquid in nature. It wasn't this

0:57:03.680 --> 0:57:08.560
<v Speaker 3>one and done shock. And that is how inspired by

0:57:08.600 --> 0:57:13.600
<v Speaker 3>the torpedo fish, in seventeen ninety nine, Volta created the

0:57:13.640 --> 0:57:18.800
<v Speaker 3>first true battery battery. How cool is that?

0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:20.720
<v Speaker 4>What?

0:57:21.440 --> 0:57:26.320
<v Speaker 3>I love it? It's so cool. And also not only did

0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:30.920
<v Speaker 3>he just like create this incredible source of electricity that

0:57:30.920 --> 0:57:36.000
<v Speaker 3>would forever change things, he also proved Galvani wrong because

0:57:36.000 --> 0:57:39.360
<v Speaker 3>he was like, I can generate electricity in the same

0:57:39.400 --> 0:57:42.680
<v Speaker 3>way that the torpedo fish did, but without any animal

0:57:42.720 --> 0:57:48.040
<v Speaker 3>parts present. So he won. Wow. Yeah, so that's where

0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:51.840
<v Speaker 3>volt comes from. Yeah, and also like galvanized too.

0:57:52.120 --> 0:57:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Galvanized Yeah wow, I know.

0:57:57.520 --> 0:57:58.760
<v Speaker 3>So are you ready for number three?

0:57:59.280 --> 0:58:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? My brain it'd still just like reeling.

0:58:03.080 --> 0:58:03.440
<v Speaker 3>Great.

0:58:03.720 --> 0:58:05.600
<v Speaker 2>I want number three.

0:58:06.280 --> 0:58:09.600
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So let's now see one of the things that

0:58:09.640 --> 0:58:12.480
<v Speaker 3>people did with this new knowledge of how to generate

0:58:12.640 --> 0:58:17.600
<v Speaker 3>larger amounts of continuous electricity. Okay, jumping ahead to the

0:58:17.640 --> 0:58:21.600
<v Speaker 3>eighteen eighties, so by this time the world had come

0:58:21.760 --> 0:58:26.080
<v Speaker 3>a long way from Ben Franklin and his kite. Several

0:58:26.120 --> 0:58:30.200
<v Speaker 3>cities had street lights powered by electricity, and while we

0:58:30.200 --> 0:58:33.240
<v Speaker 3>were still several decades away from being able to easily

0:58:33.280 --> 0:58:37.720
<v Speaker 3>bring power into people's homes, electricity was in the process

0:58:37.720 --> 0:58:42.280
<v Speaker 3>of becoming a more widely accessible, everyday practical tool, rather

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<v Speaker 3>than something that was used in just magic shows or

0:58:45.760 --> 0:58:49.880
<v Speaker 3>tinkered with only in scientific labs. But many people who

0:58:49.880 --> 0:58:53.280
<v Speaker 3>were living in these cities that were lit by electrical lamps,

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<v Speaker 3>they were still like pretty wary of this power, especially

0:58:57.760 --> 0:59:01.360
<v Speaker 3>as newspapers reported on an increase see number of accidental

0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:07.240
<v Speaker 3>deaths from electricity. One of these deaths would inspire the

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<v Speaker 3>invention of one of the US's most gruesome devices. On

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<v Speaker 3>August seventh, eighteen eighty one, in Buffalo, New York, a

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<v Speaker 3>man named George Lemuel Smith had had a bit too

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<v Speaker 3>much to drink, and he stumbled into a power plant,

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<v Speaker 3>reportedly seeking the thrill of an electrical tingle. What, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he I don't know, Well, he got his tingle and

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<v Speaker 3>a lot lot more. His death by electrocution was presented

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<v Speaker 3>by a coroner to an audience of medical professionals in Buffalo,

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<v Speaker 3>and in that audience was a dentist by the name

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<v Speaker 3>of Alfred P. Southwick. You know, people find inspiration in

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<v Speaker 3>all kinds of ways, Like maybe an idea comes to

0:59:57.240 --> 0:59:59.440
<v Speaker 3>you when you're in a shower, or when you're reading

0:59:59.480 --> 1:00:03.000
<v Speaker 3>a book, or when you're on a long walk, or

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<v Speaker 3>maybe it comes to you in the form of an

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<v Speaker 3>autopsy report of an electrocuted man. As Southwick listened to

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<v Speaker 3>this case, an idea began to form. What if we

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<v Speaker 3>could harness this power and put it to good use,

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<v Speaker 3>which in his eyes, was to kill people who had

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<v Speaker 3>been sentenced to death. I Ah, Southwick teamed up with

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<v Speaker 3>a physician and the head of the Buffalo ASPCA to

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<v Speaker 3>test out this new method of execution on the stray

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<v Speaker 3>animals of Buffalo. I knew it just gets worse. Oh dear,

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<v Speaker 3>he always does, it always does. I'm not even gonna

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<v Speaker 3>like venture a guess or say anything about whether Southwick

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<v Speaker 3>was a sociopath or something like that, but it does

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<v Speaker 3>seem that his intentions were like, maybe not good, but

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<v Speaker 3>at least not evil. Because at the time Capital punishment

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<v Speaker 3>was done prime merely through hanging, which is not always

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<v Speaker 3>reliable and was associated with a lot of pain and

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<v Speaker 3>injury and just bad, like just gruesome. Yeah, And so

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<v Speaker 3>there was a series of botched hangings that had led

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<v Speaker 3>to quite a bit of pushback against both hanging as

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<v Speaker 3>well as capital punishment in general. And so Southwick viewed

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<v Speaker 3>death by electrocution as a much more humane option. It

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<v Speaker 3>seemed quick and painless, and with practice, more reliable. So

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<v Speaker 3>he took the calculations that he had gathered from his

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<v Speaker 3>animal experiments, scaled them up for humans, and designed a

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<v Speaker 3>delivery method a chair not unlike a dental chair, and

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<v Speaker 3>that is how the electric chair was born. So he

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<v Speaker 3>brought this design to New York politicians and lobbied them

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<v Speaker 3>to replace hanging with his electric chair. The governor at

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<v Speaker 3>the time was like, huh, you know what, you might

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<v Speaker 3>be onto something here, So he put together a commission

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<v Speaker 3>to investigate the electric chair alongside the other common methods

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<v Speaker 3>and not so common methods of execution that were used,

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<v Speaker 3>which by the end of their investigations totaled thirty four

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<v Speaker 3>different methods. WHOA, yeah, I know, it's disturbing. A number

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<v Speaker 3>some of these methods were tossed out pretty quickly, but

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<v Speaker 3>others proved to be stiff competition, like decapitation via kellotine keuillotine.

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<v Speaker 3>But the commission concluded that electrocution was the winner. They

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<v Speaker 3>still had concerns, but it seemed like the best choice.

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<v Speaker 3>What also helped make this be number one choice was

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<v Speaker 3>that the electric chair got a vote of confidence from

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<v Speaker 3>one very prominent figure in electricity, Thomas Edison. You know, Aarin,

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<v Speaker 3>I would love to spend so much time talking about

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<v Speaker 3>the electricity wars between Edison and Nikola Tesla and Westinghouse,

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<v Speaker 3>but I just I can't. If there was ever an

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<v Speaker 3>episode for it to happen, it would be this one,

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<v Speaker 3>but I decided against it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually shocked by that, because I know your feelings

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<v Speaker 2>about Thomas Edison.

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<v Speaker 3>You're shocked by that. So what you need to know,

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<v Speaker 3>essentially is that Thomas Edison was a huge proponent of

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<v Speaker 3>direct current. That's what he worked in. That's what he

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<v Speaker 3>invested so much time and money into having that be

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<v Speaker 3>the type of energy used in homes commercially everywhere. Nikola Tesla,

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<v Speaker 3>on the other hand, had worked with alternating current. Edison

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<v Speaker 3>was extremely threatened by Tesla and Westinghouse's Alternating Current, and

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<v Speaker 3>so he launched essentially a smear campaign against it. One

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<v Speaker 3>strategy of this campaign was to get the alternating current

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<v Speaker 3>powered electric chair approved for executions, because if AC was

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<v Speaker 3>used to kill people, would you really want it in

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<v Speaker 3>your homes. So, with Edison's backing and just a few

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<v Speaker 3>pesky details to be worked out, like the amount of

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<v Speaker 3>charge and how long and blah blah blah, the Commission

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<v Speaker 3>recommended the electric chair as a primary form of execution,

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<v Speaker 3>and on August sixth, eighteen ninety nine, years minus one

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<v Speaker 3>day after the death of George Smith that kicked off

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<v Speaker 3>this whole situation, the first execution via electric chair on

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<v Speaker 3>a person was carried out. A man named William Kembler

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<v Speaker 3>had been convicted of murdering his girlfriend, Tillie Ziegler with

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<v Speaker 3>a hatchet in front of like enough witnesses to easily

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<v Speaker 3>put him away, and he had been sentenced to death.

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<v Speaker 3>His electrocution did not go well. I think the eyewitness

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<v Speaker 3>account says it best, Oh dear, and if you would

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<v Speaker 3>rather not he a pretty gruesome description of an electric

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<v Speaker 3>chair execution, I would suggest skipping ahead about a minute

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<v Speaker 3>and a half to two minutes, okay quote. The scene

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<v Speaker 3>of Kemmler's execution was too horrible to picture. Men accustomed

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<v Speaker 3>to every form of suffering grew faint as the awful

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<v Speaker 3>spectacle was unfolded before their eyes. Those who stood in

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<v Speaker 3>the sight were filled with awe as they saw the

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<v Speaker 3>effects of this most potent of fluids, electricity which is

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<v Speaker 3>only partially understood by those who have studied it most faithfully,

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<v Speaker 3>as it slowly, too slowly, disintegrated the fiber and tissues

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<v Speaker 3>of the body through which it passed, the heaving of

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<v Speaker 3>the chest, which it had been promised would be stilled

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<v Speaker 3>in an instant of peace as soon as the circuit

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<v Speaker 3>was completed. The foaming of the mouth, the bloody sweat,

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<v Speaker 3>the writhing of shoulders, and all other signs of life.

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<v Speaker 3>Horrible as these all were, they were made infinitely more

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<v Speaker 3>horrible by the premature removal of the electrodes and the

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<v Speaker 3>subsequent replacing of them for not seconds, but minutes, until

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<v Speaker 3>the room was filled with the odor of burning flesh,

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<v Speaker 3>and strong men fainted and fell like logs upon the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>That's horrific.

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<v Speaker 3>It's absolutely it's horrific. There were debates about whether he

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<v Speaker 3>was brain dead and actually like had any pain sensation.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that that has long been a controversy

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of electric chair Oh, I'm sure execution. But

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<v Speaker 3>I think one of the things that surprised me the most,

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<v Speaker 3>or maybe it shouldn't have, but this happened, and people

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<v Speaker 3>were like, you know what, we're gonna keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's try it again.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, in popular news reports, the doctors were completely slammed.

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<v Speaker 3>They were like, you botch this, this is terrible. You

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<v Speaker 3>need to do better. And so yeah, maybe they maybe

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<v Speaker 3>they were just convincing enough that like, no, we can

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<v Speaker 3>do better next time. But yeah, And so in the

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<v Speaker 3>months and years that followed this first electric chair execution,

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<v Speaker 3>the entire process was tweaked a bit here and there

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<v Speaker 3>to avoid a repeat of what happened with Kemler, and

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<v Speaker 3>death by electric chair became a very common method of

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<v Speaker 3>execution in the US and basically nowhere else. And in

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<v Speaker 3>the US, states appointed electrocutioners who were generally people whose

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<v Speaker 3>skills lay not in human physiology and how our bodies worked,

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<v Speaker 3>but in electricity. One of these, Robert g. Elliot, was

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<v Speaker 3>the state executioner for New York and ended up executing

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<v Speaker 3>three hundred and eighty seven people during his lengthy career.

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<v Speaker 3>At the end of his life, he wrote an autobiography

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<v Speaker 3>reflecting on his whole life and career and experiences, and

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to mention it because I think his takeaway

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<v Speaker 3>is super interesting. He believed at the end of all

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<v Speaker 3>of this that the death penalty should be abolished. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's not that he felt morally responsible for these deaths

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<v Speaker 3>or worried about the people that he had executed having suffered.

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<v Speaker 3>He thought that it was a painless process and he

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<v Speaker 3>was like, I'm just doing my job. But he felt

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<v Speaker 3>that capital punishment in general wasn't any use. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>a deterrent to crime, and it was really more society

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<v Speaker 3>taking its revenge. There was no good outcome of this.

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<v Speaker 3>He felt that witnessing an execution should be a civic

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<v Speaker 3>duty like jury service for all citizens, and felt that

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<v Speaker 3>if that were to happen, if there had to be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the committee that's going to watch this execution,

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<v Speaker 3>that he was like, the death penalty, it would be

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<v Speaker 3>gone very quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an interesting thought, isn't that an interesting thought?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So, since that first execution via electric chair of

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<v Speaker 3>Kemler in eighteen ninety. There have been over forty three

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<v Speaker 3>hundred executions by electric chair in the US, and I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like it holds a pretty infamous place in history

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<v Speaker 3>or in like pop culture. There are famous electric chairs

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<v Speaker 3>like Gruesome, Gurdy, Old Smoky, Old Sparky, and it's been

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<v Speaker 3>featured in countless songs shout Out to Ride the Lightning

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<v Speaker 3>by Metallica, which I was I was about to say,

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<v Speaker 3>forced to listen to for the first time the other day,

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<v Speaker 3>and also it's featured in books and movies and shows

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<v Speaker 3>like Off the top of my head, I can think

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<v Speaker 3>of several the Green Mile right. Starting in the late

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventies, the electric chair began to be phased out

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<v Speaker 3>as lethal injection took over in states where the death

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<v Speaker 3>penalty still exists. But this gruesome chapter in electricity history

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<v Speaker 3>is not quite over, because the electric chair is still

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<v Speaker 3>an option in some US states, and some states allow

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<v Speaker 3>people to choose their method of execution, which is yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>So maybe how about we stop here in electric chair

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<v Speaker 3>and we move on to a slightly lighter bit of history. Okay, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So I wanted to end the history section on a

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<v Speaker 3>bit of a happier note by talking about how electricity

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<v Speaker 3>has been used not to kill people, but rather to

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<v Speaker 3>try to help them. Okay, I'm going to just do

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<v Speaker 3>a very very quick tour through this history and hope

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<v Speaker 3>that one day I get to do a deeper dive

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<v Speaker 3>on something like electroconvulsive therapy, for instance. Okay, so I

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<v Speaker 3>already mentioned how both amber and electric fish were used

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<v Speaker 3>thousands of years ago to try to treat or cure people.

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<v Speaker 3>But the age of electro therapy really began when the

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<v Speaker 3>study of electricity kicked off in the seventeen hundreds. People

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<v Speaker 3>may not have understood exactly how electricity worked. Turns out

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<v Speaker 3>they still don't, I guess, but they still tried to

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<v Speaker 3>use it to treat basically any condition they could think of.

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<v Speaker 3>Throughout the eighteen hundreds and into the early nineteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 3>electrotherapy became incredibly popular, and physicians who practice electrotherapy actually

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<v Speaker 3>called themselves electricians. Huh yeah, And it was an incredibly

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<v Speaker 3>lucrative field to be in. And apparently I learned that

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<v Speaker 3>many of the early advances in electricity technology were driven

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<v Speaker 3>by physicians wanting to have better control over the electrical

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<v Speaker 3>charge that they applied to their patients.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting, Yeah, because unlike many of the electrical scientists at

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<v Speaker 3>the time, the physicians actually had a strong revenue stream

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<v Speaker 3>from their patients to be able to focus those research efforts. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and so many of these early elects innovations were medical focused.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of these devices may have helped people a little,

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<v Speaker 3>but as you can imagine, this was a field full

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<v Speaker 3>of snake oil. For example. I just wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 3>briefly about one of the most popular electrotherapy devices in

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<v Speaker 3>the early twentieth century, which was the Pulvermacher belt. You

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<v Speaker 3>could get it by mail order only, of course. So

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<v Speaker 3>picture if you will, a normal belt strap, somehow batteries

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<v Speaker 3>to it, and then put that around your waist directly

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<v Speaker 3>on your bare skin. Okay, So it was supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>release like a steady electrical current. They gave off a

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<v Speaker 3>nice little tangle where the belt rested. At first, the

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<v Speaker 3>belt was widely marketed to everyone, but then the focus

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<v Speaker 3>narrated a bit with the release of the Pulvermacher pouch,

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<v Speaker 3>which you would attach to the front of the belt

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<v Speaker 3>and rest your genital inside. It was just like I

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<v Speaker 3>think you have to see, like the drawing of this belt.

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<v Speaker 3>It kills me. It's so funny. So it was advertised

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<v Speaker 3>as improving sexual vitality, and it was an absolute best seller,

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<v Speaker 3>like so much so that you know those clickbait headlines

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<v Speaker 3>that are like, doctors hate this one trick that is

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<v Speaker 3>essentially the pulvermacher. But they wanted it to be banned.

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<v Speaker 3>They were like, we need patients to come in to

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<v Speaker 3>see us, and they're just sitting at home with these

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<v Speaker 3>belts on. Also, maybe they wanted it to be banned

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<v Speaker 3>because it didn't work to do anything really, And that's

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<v Speaker 3>when people were generally realizing about electrotherapy, especially as things

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<v Speaker 3>like germ theory revealed the underlying pathologies of various diseases

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<v Speaker 3>which didn't necessarily have any overt link to electric Whereas

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<v Speaker 3>in the eighteen hundreds, electrotherapy was considered essentially a cure all,

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<v Speaker 3>by the early decades of the nineteen hundreds, it had

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<v Speaker 3>fallen out of favor more or less and was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of seen as a specialist treatment, but it didn't go

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<v Speaker 3>away entirely. In the nineteen twenties and the nineteen thirties,

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<v Speaker 3>there was a lot of research looking into a possible

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<v Speaker 3>relationship between epilepsy and schizophrenia, and several physicians mistakenly believed

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<v Speaker 3>that they represented opposite ends of a disease spectrum, and

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<v Speaker 3>the implication of that was that if you induced seizures

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<v Speaker 3>in someone with schizophrenia, you could treat the disease. And

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<v Speaker 3>that is how electroconvulsive therapy first began to be used

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<v Speaker 3>for schizophrenia, and it seemed at least somewhat effective, but

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<v Speaker 3>the how and the why was not and I think

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<v Speaker 3>is still not fully known. And despite the bad popular

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<v Speaker 3>reputation it has mostly owing to issues with informed consent

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<v Speaker 3>and negative media portrayals, which I would love to talk

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<v Speaker 3>more about in like a bigger episode, it's still used

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<v Speaker 3>today to treat many different disorders in addition to schizophrenia,

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<v Speaker 3>one of the most common being certain kinds of depression,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's like successfully used and it seems like we've

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<v Speaker 3>come a long way from the nineteen twenties and the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen thirties in the way that we treat people with this,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I think that ECT is kind of this

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<v Speaker 3>example that we have where like something that started out

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<v Speaker 3>a long time ago, electrotherapy in general, as snake oil

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<v Speaker 3>or mostly placebo effect has now evolved so much over

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<v Speaker 3>time that it is used very effectively in many different

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<v Speaker 3>types of conditions. Right, you have ect used to treat

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<v Speaker 3>types of depression, vagus nerve stimulation to treat some epilepsy,

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<v Speaker 3>deep brain stimulation to treat Parkinson's disease, and there are many,

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<v Speaker 3>many more examples. And even if we still have more

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<v Speaker 3>to understand about how electricity works, it's amazing to me

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<v Speaker 3>to think of how much it has taught us about

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<v Speaker 3>ourselves with like different nerves and different muscles, or maybe

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<v Speaker 3>in the future, what lightning strikes can teach us about

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<v Speaker 3>brain functionality. Yeah, so speaking of lightning strikes, Arin, what's

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<v Speaker 3>happening with electrical shocks and lightning strikes and whatever else today?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's take a break and then find out.

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<v Speaker 1>So bringing it all the way back to lightning where

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<v Speaker 1>we began. First off, like I said earlier, we truly

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<v Speaker 1>have no clue how many people are struck by lightning

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<v Speaker 1>or the death toll from lightning strikes straight up. Two

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<v Speaker 1>recent studies estimated between six thousand and twenty four thousand

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<v Speaker 1>fatalities per year, which is a very huge range. Yeah, really,

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<v Speaker 1>big differences in different studies, and a lot of papers

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<v Speaker 1>kind of assume that globally there are at least ten

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<v Speaker 1>times as many injuries as there are deaths. So for

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<v Speaker 1>estimates of twenty four thousand fatalities, that's over two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and forty thousand injuries globally.

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<v Speaker 3>How has changed over time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great question. It definitely has changed. The biggest problem.

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<v Speaker 1>There's two biggest problems. Number One, most countries simply don't

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<v Speaker 1>report this type of information because they're not collecting it right.

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<v Speaker 1>Even in the US, our lightning data, from what I read,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that this is still true, it's mostly

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<v Speaker 1>gathered by like Noah, and so it's not gathered in

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<v Speaker 1>specific by any kind of medical establishment, and so we

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<v Speaker 1>still don't even have good numbers for the US, and

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<v Speaker 1>the same is true in most, if not all, other countries.

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<v Speaker 2>And also, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Lightning isn't exactly evenly distributed across the globe, so there

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<v Speaker 1>are some areas that at certain times of year have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of lightning and other places that don't really

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<v Speaker 1>have much lightning year round, et cetera. In general, from

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<v Speaker 1>what I could gather, the overall death rate does seem

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<v Speaker 1>to be declining, especially in developed and high income countries

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<v Speaker 1>where we have good infrastructure that can help protect people

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<v Speaker 1>from lightning strikes. So, for example, in the US, older

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<v Speaker 1>papers that I read estimated like one hundred fatalities a year.

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<v Speaker 1>Even older ones said it used to be as high

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<v Speaker 1>as four hundred a year. More recent numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Cited about thirty deaths.

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<v Speaker 1>Annually in the US. So in the US we've certainly

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<v Speaker 1>seen a decline. In many other countries likely a decline,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are still so many risk factors in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of places in the world associated with increased lightning

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<v Speaker 1>deaths that really come down to infrastructure issues, right, not

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<v Speaker 1>having lightning safe dwellings or workplaces or schools.

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<v Speaker 2>So the short answer is we still don't really know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Agree.

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<v Speaker 1>As a comparison, though, I didn't realize and this made

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<v Speaker 1>me so much more terrified. Even though I'm in San Diego,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have a lot of lightning, although I heard

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<v Speaker 1>thunder this morning. There are more than twenty million cloud

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<v Speaker 1>to ground lightning strikes annually in the lower forty eight

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<v Speaker 1>States alone, twenty million clouds strikes.

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<v Speaker 3>That is so many in one year, in one year, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Wild, So The other question then, is what is going

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<v Speaker 1>to continue to happen in the future. Certainly we know

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<v Speaker 1>what types of infrastructure and what types of dwellings can

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<v Speaker 1>help to protect people from lightning strikes. What happens globally,

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<v Speaker 1>especially as our.

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<v Speaker 2>Climate changes our favorite thing to talk about on.

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<v Speaker 3>This podcast, wondering about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm still wondering about it. One paper that I read,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a modeling paper, estimated that global lightning flash

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<v Speaker 1>rate could actually decrease with climate change. They estimated about

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<v Speaker 1>a fifteen percent decrease in lightning strikes with climate change

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<v Speaker 1>based on their models, but other papers have estimated the

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<v Speaker 1>exact opposite, an increase of anywhere from four to sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>percent in lightning with climate change. And from what I

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<v Speaker 1>can gather, there's definitely like a strong theoretical possibility that

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<v Speaker 1>warmer global temperatures, especially in the tropics, can result in

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<v Speaker 1>greater lightning frequency because of those.

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<v Speaker 2>Warm air fronts.

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<v Speaker 1>And we know that like those are the kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>conditions under which lightning can occur. But it really comes

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<v Speaker 1>down to it's not as simple as temperature equals lightning,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean, climate change isn't as simple as temper

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<v Speaker 1>which are equals anything, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Other papers have looked at more of the secondary effects

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<v Speaker 1>of lightning, right, and which we didn't even get into

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<v Speaker 1>because that's a whole nother situation. But other papers have

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<v Speaker 1>looked at things like an increasingly dry climate increases the

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<v Speaker 1>risk of things like forest fires that are associated with lightning.

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<v Speaker 1>Lightning is a major cause of forest fires, and so

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<v Speaker 1>even if the actual amount of lightning might decrease or

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<v Speaker 1>not change, if the dry season is longer, then that

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<v Speaker 1>could actually contribute to an increasing risk associated with.

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<v Speaker 2>Those lightning strikes.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes sense, yeah right, Yeah, So it's complicated and

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<v Speaker 1>we don't really know what's going to happen with the

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<v Speaker 1>future of lightning.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is so much room for fascinating research there.

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<v Speaker 3>Is, there really is, and also better monitoring.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, definitely, for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Should we do sources we should.

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<v Speaker 2>I have some great ones I want to shout out.

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<v Speaker 3>Ooh me too. Okay, Number one, I want to shout

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<v Speaker 3>out again the book Spark by Timothy Jorgenson. So good, fascinating,

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<v Speaker 3>go check it out. Then I have some more multimedia sources.

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<v Speaker 3>So I watched a great documentary called Shock and Awe,

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<v Speaker 3>The Story of Electricity it's by BBC. It's on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 3>All link to it. It's really fascinating. Then a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of podcast episodes. The first one is by Outside Podcast

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<v Speaker 3>and it's called Science of Survival Struck by Lightning. That's

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<v Speaker 3>a very impactful episode. I felt that not only talked

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<v Speaker 3>about like someone's experience, but also a little bit more

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<v Speaker 3>about like science and stuff like that too.

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<v Speaker 2>It was great.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the last one is one that I listened

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<v Speaker 3>to with my sister when she came to visit me

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<v Speaker 3>and we drove up to the Tetons in Wyoming, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's a podcast called National Park after Dark and they

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<v Speaker 3>do episodes focused on different stories, and the one we

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<v Speaker 3>listened to was about the Titons the Grand Teton National

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<v Speaker 3>Park and it was a it's called a fatal lightning

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<v Speaker 3>strike and the Jenny Lake Rangers and that is a wow.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it was riveting.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a book in an book chapter that was

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely awesome and like so comprehensive focus specifically on lightning.

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<v Speaker 1>One was called Reducing Lightning Injuries Worldwide. That's the book,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there was Lightning Related Injuries and Safety, both

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<v Speaker 1>written by Mary Ann Cooper at All. And then there's

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<v Speaker 1>a few others kind of older papers that were on

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<v Speaker 1>both electrical and lightning strike if you're interested in kind

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<v Speaker 1>of both of those in comparing contrasting, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>those papers on the kind of climate change projections. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>post the sources for this episode and all of our

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<v Speaker 1>episodes on our website, this podcast will kill You dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you to Bloodmobile for providing the music for this

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<v Speaker 3>episode and all of our episodes.

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<v Speaker 3>And thank you to you listeners. You're the best. You

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<v Speaker 3>are the best. I hope you liked this. I thought

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<v Speaker 3>this was a very interesting and kind of a different.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh ooh, I have a good one. I hope you

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<v Speaker 2>found it enlightening.

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<v Speaker 3>Ooh good one. Good one erin I mean, I can't

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<v Speaker 3>add any more than that. So thank you also to

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<v Speaker 3>our wonderful patrons. We appreciate you so much, so much. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>until next time, wash your hands.

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<v Speaker 2>You filthy animals.

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<v Speaker 3>Um um um