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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio, and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: Nori with you. Ralph ellis back with us. Trained in

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Speaker 1: mineral surveying, but became a computer analyst. He then retrained

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Speaker 1: himself as a flying instructor and airline captain. Ralph has

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Speaker 1: been exploring biblical and natural history for more than forty years,

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Speaker 1: has written at least fourteen books on many of these subjects.

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Speaker 1: He has also written and influenced peer reviewed paper on

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Speaker 1: climate change. Ralph, welcome to the show. Good to have

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Speaker 1: you with us, Good to be with you, George. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's good morning over him. Absolutely. I gotta tell

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Speaker 1: you my twenty one year old granddaughter has her commercial

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Speaker 1: pilot's license and has been offered a job by United

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Speaker 1: when she gets her thousand hours, of which he's got

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Speaker 1: about four hundred. Now, isn't that something twenty one years old? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Well you've got to start at some age, but that

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Speaker 1: will be great if you can get into the majors.

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Speaker 1: I was in the smaller airlines, you might say, and

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Speaker 1: it was less stable. Did you have fun? Ah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we had fun. Although aviation has changed a great deal

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Speaker 1: so it's a very different animal. Now I'm convince Ralph

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Speaker 1: that the solar system through the Sun is heating up.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of that? The TSI they call it,

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Speaker 1: the total Solar index has not changed. So the total

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Speaker 1: amount of energy from the Sun never changes within plus

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Speaker 1: or minus half a percent. The only thing that really changes,

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Speaker 1: which is still being investigated, but not by many people,

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Speaker 1: only by friends Mark, I think is the name of

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Speaker 1: the guy, is the magnetic flux from the Sun. Now

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Speaker 1: that does change quite a bit, and there are some

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Speaker 1: people investigating to see whether the magnetic flux will actually change.

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Speaker 1: Whether that's like on the Earth, what's going on with

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Speaker 1: the other star about ice ages, meltings and things like that. Well, yes,

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Speaker 1: if you want to talk about modern climate, yeah, there

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Speaker 1: is no evidence that CO two is causing that, and

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Speaker 1: that's something they don't talk about very much. And we

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Speaker 1: have an idea that CO two is not necessarily the

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Speaker 1: controlling agent a because of my peer review paper that

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Speaker 1: I wrote, Modulation of Ice ages by dust An Albedo.

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Speaker 1: Now that's concerned with ice ages in the past. But

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Speaker 1: you know what, happens in the past might reflect on

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Speaker 1: the future on you current warming, and we sort of

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Speaker 1: know that CO two is not involved because the troposphere

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Speaker 1: is not warming now. When they started this CO two

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Speaker 1: greenhouse warming business, they predicted that the tropical troposphere that's

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Speaker 1: from you know, five hundred foot up to thirty thousand

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Speaker 1: the very basis of the greenhouse warming effect, is a

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Speaker 1: warmer troposphere. Now that has never really happened to the

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Speaker 1: extent that they said it would, and therefore we can

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Speaker 1: be fairly sure that it's not CO two that's causing

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Speaker 1: the warming. How many trackable ice ages have we had

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Speaker 1: ralph on this planet. We've had about eight of the

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Speaker 1: major ones, so from eight hundred thousand years ago is

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Speaker 1: when these big ice ages started, and we've had eight.

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Speaker 1: So they last for about one hundred thousand years, so

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Speaker 1: we get about ninety thousand years of cooling and then

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Speaker 1: And we are in an interglacial now, it's known as

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Speaker 1: the Holocene, and it's been going on for about about

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Speaker 1: fifteen thousand years or so. Why are they so cyclical. Ralph, Well,

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Speaker 1: why these ice ages actually occur. We know it's something

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Speaker 1: But the poles really cooled down over a long, long

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Speaker 1: get these great ice sheets which come down almost to

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Speaker 1: what CO two never explained. It's just simply not powerful

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Speaker 1: enough to actually do that. Now, have we had ice

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Speaker 1: ages worked. This was, you know, ten years ago or so.

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Speaker 1: The paper was written six years ago, and I couldn't

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Speaker 1: believe that in the twenty first century nobody knew how

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Speaker 1: ice ages worked, how they were controlled, because it was

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Speaker 1: quite apparent that CO two was not responsible. There's a

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Speaker 1: little thing about ice ages that is kept very quiet

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Speaker 1: when because they say that CO two is the feedback agent.

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Speaker 1: Of course, so when CO two is high during ice ages,

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Speaker 1: the world cools, and when CO two is low, the

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Speaker 1: world warms. It's a contrarian response because of course we're

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Speaker 1: told that CO two is the primary feedback controlling temperature,

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Speaker 1: and yet during the ice ages the temperature does the

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Speaker 1: complete opposite. Are there some areas on the planets, Ralph

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Speaker 1: that will escape in ice age, or does the entire

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Speaker 1: planet get hit everything apart from the tropics. The tropics

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Speaker 1: doesn't change much at all, but North and South are

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Speaker 1: both hit by the ice age. It gets cold in

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Speaker 1: both ends of the planet. But the other oddity is

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Speaker 1: that all of the interglacials are northern hemisphere interglacials, so

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Speaker 1: these orbital cycles they are equal and opposite. So you

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Speaker 1: get a cycle in the north and then a cycle

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Speaker 1: in the south, but all of the interglacials are associated

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Speaker 1: with northern cycles. And again that would not happen. If

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Speaker 1: two was the feedback agent, you would get them on

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Speaker 1: either North or south orbital cycles, but we don't. We

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Speaker 1: only get them in the north. And again CO two

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Speaker 1: not would not do that. So you have to have

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Speaker 1: a different feedback agent. And my feedback agent is dust,

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Speaker 1: not CO two. And that's interesting because it has implications

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Speaker 1: for modern climate. You know, if CO two is not

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Speaker 1: the major operators during ice ages, then perhaps it's not

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Speaker 1: the major operator during the modern climate. Did the c

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Speaker 1: O two levels during the dinosaur era excel or exceed

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Speaker 1: what we have today? Oh yes, yeah, During the Jurassic

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Speaker 1: and Cretaceous they were six times higher than now. So

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Speaker 1: we didn't have any factories and plants in those days. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we didn't have any of that. But also the biosphere

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Speaker 1: was fine. You know, you have the Gretta the Gremlin

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Speaker 1: with their tales of doom. You know, if CO two

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Speaker 1: goes above a certain level, every everything on Earth will die. Well, sorry,

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Speaker 1: during the Jurassic Era and the Cretaceous, CO two was

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Speaker 1: six times higher and the biosphere thrived because CO two

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Speaker 1: is plant food. Of course plants love it. Without CO two,

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Speaker 1: all life on Earth will die. It's gone. We will

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Speaker 1: come to that with the ice ages. But during the

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Speaker 1: Jurassic era that you know, the enormous size of dinosaurs

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Speaker 1: was only caused by extra CO two. What would you know,

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Speaker 1: what would you do with four billion people who lived

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Speaker 1: in an ice age area when this is happening. You

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Speaker 1: will evacuate them, yeah you would. And you couldn't live

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Speaker 1: up in the north, not with three kilometers of ice

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Speaker 1: on top of the continents, so everyone would have to

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Speaker 1: retreat down to the tropical regions. And how long would

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Speaker 1: it take to melt? How long would all that ice melt?

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Speaker 1: How long? Well, it took ninety thousand years to build

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Speaker 1: in the last ice age and only five thousand years

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Speaker 1: to get rid of it, then Melt's pretty darn fast.

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