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Speaker 1: we're joined today by an extraordinarily controversial guest. Thanks admission,

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Speaker 1: who who's left open the idea that you might be

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Speaker 1: a bad guy, who's here only under duress, who wasn't

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Speaker 1: gonna do the show until he until he got to

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Speaker 1: read an Instagram comments. Do you're the first? You're the

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Speaker 1: first and only guest we've ever had? It came on,

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Speaker 1: um inspired by Instagram comments? Well, I wasn't. My wife

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Speaker 1: was inspired by it. She read the comments and she goes,

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Speaker 1: you have to do it because I'm a non controversial

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Speaker 1: kind of a guy. I don't like controversy. Picture. Actually don't.

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Speaker 1: You don't even have Instagram? No? I did, but I

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Speaker 1: just that's a good way to avoid I did. I

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Speaker 1: did figure out how to get on it. You did,

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Speaker 1: and I did follow you. Awesome. I think I follow

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Speaker 1: you and Joe Rogan. You don't follow Yanni, not yet,

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Speaker 1: but I will. What's your handle? What's that? Oh? Like? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: How do how do people find on Instagram? I think

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Speaker 1: it's Tony dot Shoffler. Okay, KRANI explain what happened on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: People are so titilated now. I don't know if we

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Speaker 1: keep leading them along without them knowing what's going you

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Speaker 1: on the edge of their seat. Well, what date was us?

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Speaker 1: Probably pull that mike down crane two over two months ago?

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Speaker 1: Step put up a post forty five thousand three pounds

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Speaker 1: of Elk antlers loaded up by a buyer. Listen, explain

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Speaker 1: of guys unpacking, like hand packed, hand packed, hand packed

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Speaker 1: in that shipping and tag packed to the gills. So

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Speaker 1: full elk candler, full of full of elk handler forty

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Speaker 1: thousand three and then now read the caption, and I

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Speaker 1: put this up at Stephen Ornella curious st e v

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Speaker 1: E n Rhinella yep. Three pounds of elk antlers loaded

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Speaker 1: up by a buyer and headed to overseas markets. This year,

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Speaker 1: shed hunters were getting around twenty dollars a pound for

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Speaker 1: the fresh brown elk antlers. This buyer told me that

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Speaker 1: So do the math? Did? I say? No? But I

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Speaker 1: holding that Bowsman Chronicle picture of twenty pounders, No, they

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Speaker 1: weren't what they were. Probably they were probably in the

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Speaker 1: fifteen pound rank. I think the largest, the largest single

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Speaker 1: shed we've ever bought off a wild elk was about

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Speaker 1: one pounds. There you go, underwent millions and million in

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Speaker 1: the pound. Yeah, and then and then also the price

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Speaker 1: was up to I said up to okay, So but listen, man,

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Speaker 1: I was consultant. I was consulting with you while crafting

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Speaker 1: out the poundage thing alright, So so you know, minor

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Speaker 1: minor inaccuracy is notwithstanding. I put that on Instagram because

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Speaker 1: I met our guests here, Tony who from Rocky Mountain

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Speaker 1: Antler Is that it just Rocky Mountain Antler, Rocky Mountain

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, you're doing great. You're doing great. Um, Jamie,

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Speaker 1: are you here to talk or not here to talk? No,

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Speaker 1: the best, Honey, I'm sorry. I'm trying that tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 1: even though you're not here to you're not here to talk.

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Speaker 1: You know, your wife would probably say the same thing. Uh,

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Speaker 1: but it's also she puts up with a lot of

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Speaker 1: the Antler business came between us, but it didn't. How

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Speaker 1: long you been married, Brodie? What year is it? Uh? Sixteen? Yeah, sixteen?

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Speaker 1: I've made it, manka that twelve year. If you can

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Speaker 1: to his friend. Still, damn it. Now you get into

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Speaker 1: the whole like right, exactly, there's a hearsay element. Damn,

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Speaker 1: Set the scene. We're in Pennsylvania. Do you you want me

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Speaker 1: to set the scene. No, I'm just saying that we're

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Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. Well, the whole state's antlers. It used to

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Speaker 1: I don't know ten years ago. The whole state. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So that's when they went to UH statewide antler restrictions.

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Speaker 1: with him? Was trying to answer. But the entire state

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Speaker 1: So when you remove the brow tins, he's got three

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Speaker 1: it's just there's just not enough to to compare. I

423
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: don't think it's just not the type of hunting that

424
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,719
Speaker 1: we do today, like a commercial market hunting. Yeah, this

425
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: is a good one that I think we're gonna be done.

426
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: This is the last one that we're gonna get into

427
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: the antler market. This guy writes in from Nova Scotia.

428
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: I live in Mahone Bay, Nova Scotia. This is this

429
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: is a real this is you thought the antler thing

430
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania was interesting? Phil Way, do you hear this?

431
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: I really hope it involves you being embarrassed on life

432
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: on the air. I live in Mahone Bay, Nova Scotia.

433
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: You're following track and film, got it? I bought a

434
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: six to seven acre I sweaty doesn't know how big

435
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: his parcels. He bought a six to seven acre piece

436
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: of land in mm hmm. Moving back to my hometown

437
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: of London, England. What's that meaning? From from London, England.

438
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: Oh from Oh, okay, so he was living in London. Hmm, okay,

439
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: Feller from London. This is someone. This is like really

440
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,719
Speaker 1: far out for us. I thought nutsought Long Island was like.

441
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: So he's a guy from London. You wanna talk about

442
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: low representation? Moves the nova Scotia by six to seven

443
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: acres a piece of land, and twenty fifteen the appeal

444
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: of the land. He goes down to say it was

445
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: a dock on the ocean, sidewalk into town house to

446
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: raise kids, and land to hunt white tails out back.

447
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: There's only about a one acre piece at the back

448
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: where I can discharge a crossboat. Okay, buys a land.

449
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: He's got a legal place. He can discharge his crossbow

450
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: on an acre of land. Now they're coming to do

451
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: eminent domain across his property in order here's where the

452
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: rub is, in order to put in a power corridor

453
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: to serve a new solar plant. So he's in the

454
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: admittedly awkward position of being a nimbi about alternative energy.

455
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: Like it's better if it's like a real villain, right, Like,

456
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: but it have to be a solar energy like a

457
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: thing that everyone's supposed to support because it's green energy,

458
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: and now he's got to be a nimby. I'd like

459
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: to know why he can only discharge on an acre,

460
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: like is the rest like within town limits or something?

461
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: Or you know, have you gone to his website solar

462
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,479
Speaker 1: Sham dot c A. Have not? Did you go krint?

463
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: Why are you not reason why? I think you can

464
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: research the piss out of this crint. You didn't call him.

465
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: So let me get to the let me get to

466
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: the rub. So exppropriation is their Canadian version of eminent domain.

467
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: We have an he's going on to say, we have

468
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: a concept of injurious affection, which are personal damages and

469
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: the reduction and value of the rest of my residential property.

470
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: Do he's claiming? Tell you back up, here's what he's claiming.

471
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: They're claiming, here's the land value for us running. Well, no, no,

472
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: you're not. You're not valuing You're not valuing it right,

473
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: because what you've just done is destroyed my ability to

474
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: like hunt deer on my place. How are we gonna

475
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: draw how are we going to value that? You're not

476
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: valuing that I had a little mini chunk of hunting

477
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: ground and you're destroying it. And then you're telling me

478
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: it's value is one thing, when the value is exponentially

479
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: greater because of the circumstance. My sidebar question would be

480
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: if he discharges his crossbow and his little one acre

481
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: piece and that said dear runs off that one acre

482
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: piece and dies. Oh, that's that. This is the thing

483
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: that I've been arguing about with with not arguing about,

484
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: texting about with my buddy dog during where they have

485
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 1: some of these public access programs and he was pointing

486
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: out to me that some of these public access pro

487
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: like public access and private land programs are making deals

488
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: on like ten acre parcels and guys are bow hunting it.

489
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: In the amount of conflict that the rises. It's like,

490
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: how are you anticipating that you're gonna bow hunt white

491
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: tails on that size piece of ground and have it

492
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: be that it's dead on the ground like you're asking. Yeah,

493
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: and then you've got all those that urban deer hunting

494
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: that's happening now too. Yeah, But I feel like back,

495
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, any anything east of the Mississippi, hunting white

496
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: tails on a ten acre chunk is very normal. Ten

497
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: acres and acres like in Indiana. I'm not saying no,

498
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: no, No No, you're not listening to what I'm saying. No,

499
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm not telling about what's going on or not going on.

500
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying there is a high flight risk. There's a

501
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: high risk. Okay, for instance, Carl, I'm not gonna say

502
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: his last Carl has a very small parcel. You know

503
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: what Carl did before he ever put a tree stand up,

504
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: went and talked to his neighbors, every single one of them,

505
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: and said, I don't I'm not planning on I'm not

506
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: hoping this happens, um, but I'm laying the groundwork for

507
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: the fact that I might have to come pay you

508
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: a visit. And here's why. And he secured an okay

509
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: under those circumstances ahead of time from everyone around him

510
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: good neighbors. That was Duran's point during this point wasn't

511
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: not to do it. During his point was so many

512
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: problems could be taken care of if people were just

513
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: a little more neighborly. That was his point. Yeah, I agreed,

514
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: be a good neighbor. He talked about someone that got

515
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: a deer this year that was literally it was literally

516
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: hung up in the neighbor's fence. M hmm, Okay, ready,

517
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: how like, okay, how did you get into how did

518
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: you get into antler picking? What do you what do

519
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: you like to call it shed hunting? Antler picking the

520
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: antler market? Yeah, jed hunting because you're a third you're

521
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: a second generation generation um working on possibly third Sam

522
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: coming up, that's your boy. Yeah. Well, my dad was

523
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: probably the first i'd say, large scale commercial buyer in

524
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: the United States, way before it was cool. And how

525
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: did that come about? Like what what years was that?

526
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: Going on mid seventies seventies he started buying antlers? Yeah,

527
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: well he was, he was. He used to pick him

528
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: up back then, I need only pick up the big

529
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: brown ones. And he was selling them to there was

530
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say this, like an Asian

531
00:35:54,600 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 1: buyer middleman in the States where buying antlers. How would

532
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: you say that? Karin um that that was quite fine.

533
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: The reason I say that is is I can't remember

534
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: if it was a Chinese or Korean at the time. Sure,

535
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: and there are different you know, Asian Asian folks who

536
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: believe that antlers have medicinal value. So yeah, that was

537
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: totally appropriate. So anyways, he was selling them to these

538
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: buyers and he was tired of them taking advantage. They were,

539
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: he mean, he felt he so presumably he felt he

540
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: was selling them for a lot less than their actual uh.

541
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: And then there would be two or three of them there,

542
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: and that one would be throwing the antlers over the

543
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: truck into the bushes before they weighed them. You know,

544
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: they just weren't scrupulous buyers. Yeah, what state was this

545
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: going on in? I think I don't know where the

546
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: buyers were, but it was in the It was in

547
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 1: the Montana area. And he got tired of that, so

548
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 1: he went and convinced the local bank two bankroll them.

549
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: And so he started buying and going around the middleman

550
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: straight to the overseas market. And it kind of just

551
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: snowballed from there. Who was who was he? Who did

552
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: he go to to find a direct market for his antlers?

553
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: And what were they using them for? Back then? They

554
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: were using them for medicinal purposes. I guess they grind them.

555
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: Right now, they were slicing them in wafer thin and

556
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: simmering them in a tea and I'm sure they were

557
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: probably mixing gensng and some other herbs in there and

558
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: drinking the broth. Really, yeah, have you done this? Green? No,

559
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: I never have. But there's a picture of that, the

560
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: like really paper thin slices that I put into the

561
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: document just for you to see. You know, there's some

562
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: serious serious the look at some screen grabs from Amazon, right,

563
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: So I went down the rabbit hole looking at all

564
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: the different forms that you can consume. But that's that's velvet.

565
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: It could be velvet. And below it's just is the slices. Okay.

566
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: So there's two products here that that Crim pulled off Amazon.

567
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: One of them, one of them has four ratings, five star,

568
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: five star review, four ratings Elk Elk Velvet Antler. But

569
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: I think that's from like farm raised this, Yeah, and

570
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: they're calling it it is it's from Elk Farm. They're

571
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: calling it velvet antler for dogs. Gluco Samans supplement Hip

572
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: and Joint Health. Yeah. I was gonna say, I'm not

573
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: really learned it. I'm certain, but I'm pretty sure it's Glucosa.

574
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: Jamie just said that Tony knows the well, No I don't.

575
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing I obviously can't prepared and then up

576
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: to so no, yeah, he sh'll pass over. Another product

577
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: that Krim pulled up two ratings, three star review. Oh

578
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 1: that that little bottle is uh that that little bottle?

579
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: How many ounces is that bottle? Krim? Oh? I can't

580
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: see right now. So they're they're touting it. Uh, I

581
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: don't know what's it like? A four ounce bottle? Find

582
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: out what the hell that humping that bottles. They're touting

583
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: it as a joint health, anti inflammatory, increased energy in

584
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: a healthy coat for your pet. And then there's another

585
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: product that she has here that krim pulled up from

586
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: Jin Sang store and more dear Antler slices, Premium whole

587
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: seek a dear Antler sizes energy hormones. Here's the description.

588
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: This is a this is from E s A. This

589
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: is from English as a second language individual. I believe

590
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: deer Antler slices, Antler velvet whole slices, seek a dear

591
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: Antler lou wrong energy horm owns sex health for men

592
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: and women. I got a question back in the middle

593
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: of a question, were already talking like, I think that's

594
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: pretty so I want to go back to no, I'm

595
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: I'm not even scratching the certain Remind me, though, I've

596
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: got a story about that for you. Okay, um, Back

597
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: then that was the only market like he wasn't perhaps

598
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: selling big antlers to taxidermist or none of that stuff

599
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: that's going on. There was always a market for like

600
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: a few belt buckles and some knife handles, but no, uh,

601
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: majority of it was going straight up. Was your was

602
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: your old man? Was he always looking for ways to

603
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: make money outdoors? Like? Was he a fur trapper? Like, uh,

604
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: mushroom hunter? He trapped? He originally moved to the Madison

605
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: Valley to for the lion hunting. Okay, so yeah, and

606
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: he trapped, he process wild game just so. He just

607
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: pulled it together from the outdoors. So it's natural for

608
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: him to be like, hey, there's money to be made

609
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: in antlers, or I could find a way to make

610
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: money handlers and getting antlers. When did he establish your

611
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: Guys Company? He went and he incorporated probably in the

612
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: early eighties. And when you were when were you born

613
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: before then? I was born. Yeah. Anyways, I moved up

614
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: to Montana from San Diego when I was fifteen, and

615
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: that's when I got kind of what were you doing

616
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: in San Diego living with my mom? Oh? Yeah, so

617
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: I came up here. It's your mom and dad. I

618
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: don't want to open old wounds, No, I mean, no,

619
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 1: they divorced when I was young, And you're I hauled

620
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: you off to San Diego. Well, no, they were. My

621
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 1: dad was down there and then he moved up. Oh

622
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: I see, and then uh, anyways, I came up the

623
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: visit and saw that you could carry guns in the

624
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: truck and get away with it, you know, And I'm

625
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: like yeah, so and then I got started. He was

626
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: already buying and selling then, and I just kind of

627
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: started helping out after school and on the weekends, and

628
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: then started doing it full time. Probably eighty five ish

629
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: is when I started actually traveling on the road buying.

630
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: And back then it wasn't like it is now. A

631
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: lot of people brought their stuff in and I just

632
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: buy antlers all day long at the shop, and people

633
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: just stopped by all day long with piles of antlers.

634
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: And then I did start traveling and meeting buyers. So

635
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: was it like very seasonal like used to be? You

636
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: suhould be very seasonal basically at starting early April and

637
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: then by July you were done with the buying. But

638
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: now with the antler market being so competitive and so

639
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: many people involved, now it's it's a year round thing.

640
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: So talk to talk to me about when you got started.

641
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: What was you had a shop in the Madison Valley

642
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 1: and yes, and you had a sign out that said

643
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: I buy antlers, we buy antlers or some such Yeah. Probably, yeah,

644
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: And people are bringing in what all kind of antlers

645
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: mainly deer and elk. And how are you value how

646
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: are you valuing before the antler market exploded and they

647
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: became all these multiple competing things like dog chees and

648
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: all this other afrodisiacs, all this ship there's no afrodisiacs involved.

649
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: Say that that's a myth, that's a If it was

650
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: an aphrodisiac, I'd be in prison because I snored enough

651
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: of this dusk during the course of a day to

652
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: kill the average mortal. But what are they harvesting in

653
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: New Zealand? What are they harvesting all that velvet for supplements?

654
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: Right here says it helps sex for energy, horse sex,

655
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: the velvet things like different man like that. It was

656
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: like all over the news a couple of years ago,

657
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: Like that's the set. I think the hormone thing is

658
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: tied to the velvet. There is to stop sterone in

659
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: there to a certain degree, but it's not a it's

660
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: not a sexual enhancement that I'm aware of. M And

661
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: you know, well you would think, right, I mean, yeah,

662
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: like you get done with the day of antler cutting.

663
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: And but look I did some research and um there's

664
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: a there's a you know, some scientific journal articles out

665
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: there that are testing the antler core beyond just the

666
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: velvet as well. So I mean from from a from

667
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: a single article, uh, from science direct, there are some

668
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: conclusions that the deer antler base has emerged as a

669
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: good source of traditional medicine. Oh sorry, let me back up,

670
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: um key. Findings both in vitro and in vivo pharmacological

671
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: studies have demonstrated that dear antler base possess immuno wow

672
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: im you know, dolatory, anti cancer, anti fatigue, anti osteoporosis,

673
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: anti inflammatory, analgestic, antibacterial, anti viral, anti stress, antioxident you

674
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: get the picture. They're like twelve more antis um and

675
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: although the mechanism of action is still not clear, the

676
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: pharmacological activities could be mainly attributed to the may your

677
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: bioactive compounds amino acids, polypeptides, and proteins. Based on animal

678
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: studies and clinical trials, dear Antler Basse causes no severe

679
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: side effects. So this is just one uh research studies,

680
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: key findings. Uh. Do you know do you know, um,

681
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: when you're talking about the early buyers, do you know this?

682
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: You must notice because this is a quote from you,

683
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: this fellow Johnny Wang as being uh an early like

684
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: godfather of antlership and basically yeah, so you eventually got

685
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: to go eventually went into competition with him. I'm assuming

686
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: kind of he was. I met him when I first

687
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: got going, and he was going down to that Antler auction,

688
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: but he was blaying Antler's But then he kind of

689
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: faded away, and my dad kind of took over that

690
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: godfather role when you guys he was. My dad was

691
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: the buyer for years and most of the people that

692
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: compete against him, we're actually buyers for us at that time.

693
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: So he created his own competition, which is human nature.

694
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: You know, how would you guys, how would you guys

695
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: get How would you guys create a buyer mark a

696
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: buyer network around the country. You just touch base with

697
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: people and they find you, they find me, um, and

698
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 1: you've got to establish a relationship with him and deem

699
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: him trustworthy because there's a lot of money involved, and

700
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: you know you have been stung before. Do you bankroll

701
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: your buyers? Most of them? You do? Yeah, so you've

702
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: got to be real careful. How many buyers do you

703
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: how many buyers work for you buying nailers? Let's say

704
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: a good at least ten in what what geographical area?

705
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: Mostly the Rocky Mountains? Uh, And I do have some

706
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: buyers out in the Midwest. I'm establishing some contacts out

707
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: there for white tail and anilers. Yeah, what are those

708
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: being used for the same So the goals were the

709
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: same stuff. Yeah, there's a heck of a lot more

710
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: white tailed deer, and although their antlers are smaller than elk,

711
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: I would think that overall there would be generally a

712
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: more mass of white tail antlers in this country than

713
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: there are elk canlers. Right, there are probably pounds and pieces. Yeah,

714
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: white tails are almost coast to coast. Now, I think

715
00:48:55,480 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: you know, when I first started hunting in Montana, when

716
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: you were in diapers, probably maybe, uh, you didn't see

717
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: white tails hardly at all on the river bottom. First

718
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: deer I ever shot with the bow was a mule

719
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: deer buck on the river. And now you know yeah,

720
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: taking over the world. Man, When you say you've got

721
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: you've been stung before, is that like you've ended up

722
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: with antlers from someone that got them? And the meaning

723
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: you you send money to buyers and don't they don't

724
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: give you antlers back or they take you. I was

725
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: just wondering if you with your competition, Yeah, I was

726
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: wondering if you ended up with antlers that that person

727
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: shouldn't have had in the first place. No, tell me

728
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: what what what's antler worth? Right now? Right now? The

729
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: markets down soft relative to what relative to win to

730
00:49:55,600 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: the springtime, the shed season that usually strengthens up then also,

731
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: so it's on a seasonal slump right now. Right basically, Yeah,

732
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: everybody's pretty well. I guess you gotta go out and

733
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: three months and you've gotta buy your whole year's inventory

734
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: in three months. And when most people get full up

735
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: then they back off. So are when you when you

736
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: set out to buy antler in the spring, are you

737
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: trying to fill a you're trying to fill a specific order.

738
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: You're just trying to buy as much as you know

739
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: you gotta night. Yeah, basically now you're trying to buy

740
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: all you can because there is a lot of competition.

741
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 1: Now there's buyers everywhere, you know. I'll go in states

742
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: and literally see three different Antler buyers sitting on the

743
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: street in three different towns in a thirty mile radius. So, yeah,

744
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: you gotta really hustle. Now. You see ads for it

745
00:50:52,920 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: in the paper all the time. Classified, Yeah, craigslist billboards, billboards.

746
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: Have you ever done one of those billboards? No? Oh really,

747
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: I don't advertise very much. I've run under the radar.

748
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: I don't drive with trailers, don't have big brands on it.

749
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: My name and phone number. People find you, they know

750
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 1: who you are, they'll find you m word of mouth.

751
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 1: So what is Antler going for? Let me like tell

752
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 1: me like white tails, mule, deer, elk, moose, Like, like,

753
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: what are we talking about? What could a seller? Right? No? No, no, no, okay,

754
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: whenever the hell? What when one's peak? Well, it depends.

755
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: Let's go to March, last March, March or April, whatever

756
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: the hell monk makes most sense. Well, last year, the

757
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 1: price went down in the winter, and then late winter

758
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: early early spring people start running out, and then they'll

759
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: go out and buy, and then I'll bring the price up.

760
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: Because what happens is rather than just going out and

761
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: hustling and buying me olers, people try to outbid you

762
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: by fifty cents a pound, and all that does is

763
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: bring the market up. Yeah, you can go out and pay,

764
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: you can go out on the street and buy antlers

765
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: and pay less than the going rate, and you're still

766
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: going to buy antlers just by being there. But you know,

767
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: that's what happens. And when the demand, like right now

768
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: in the last couple of years, the demand exceeds a

769
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: supply and that drives the price up to right now,

770
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: right now, it's probably a pound for any kind of antler, No,

771
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: just for the egg, the brown fresh elk, okay, And

772
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: what's a white tailed deer antler that's running twelve maybe

773
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: right now for the brown stuff? Each is it like

774
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 1: elk and white tailed deer and mule deer are all different,

775
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: and each one is graded A, B and C. And

776
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: how is three grades? There's I have four grades actually,

777
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, you got the A which is the fresh quality,

778
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: natural brown color, and then there's the B grade, number

779
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: two grade, which is stuff that's laid out for a year. Um,

780
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 1: it's got hairline cracks in it, you know, and it's faded.

781
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: And then you have the c your number three grade,

782
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 1: which the chalk it's been laying out for several years.

783
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: And then we have what we call the number. I

784
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: have a number four. I call it coca grade, where

785
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: it's stuff just falling apart, nasty, that's just gonna go

786
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: to powder. So but coca grade is still sellable and viable.

787
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: I tell people it's all worth something. And I encourage

788
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: anybody that's out there picking antlers. If you see an old,

789
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: rotten chunk, pick it up, because if somebody goes in

790
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: behind you and finds that chunk, they might go back.

791
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: But if somebody goes into an area and you've picked

792
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 1: even the little chunks up, they might not go back.

793
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Pick your area clean. Well, I mean yeah,

794
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: but so, but there's no secrets anymore. I mean people

795
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: are everywhere. Now there's every year I say, man, there's

796
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: more now than ever, And the next year there's even

797
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: more now than ever. More what pickers or pickers shed

798
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: hunters I'm gonna call them. Yeah, you know, I I

799
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: used to buy a lot of antlers off of a

800
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: few people. Now I buy a few antlers off of

801
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Basically, do you think, like, are

802
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: the majority of shed hunters out there doing it for

803
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: money or just recreation? They're doing it. It's it's basically

804
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: like catch and release hunting. I guess yeah. I mean

805
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: I used to. I was serious about it for a

806
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: while in Colorado and it got crowded out. What we

807
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: used to shed hunt, you know, in the eighties when

808
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: not a lot of people did it, and it was

809
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: nice because we could shed hunt one area. What you

810
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: do is you watch the elk, see what they're feeding.

811
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 1: You get their daylight, let them go in the timber,

812
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: and you go up every other day to their feeding area,

813
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: just pick up a few antlers, and the elk never left.

814
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: And then when they're done shedding, then you go into

815
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,919
Speaker 1: the beds and pick up the rest of the antlers. Now,

816
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: when one elk loses one antler, there's four guys up

817
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 1: there running around looking for it, pushing the elk around

818
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: and m hm. You know, it's just it's very competitive,

819
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: especially if there's a big one everyone knows about and

820
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: they got him named, and well that brings up the

821
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: shed hunting seasons now, right, Because I think that especially

822
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: like in the migration corridors down in uh, was it

823
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: southwestern Wyoming the big meal deer that area. Um, people

824
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: are going in there and running the deer round, you know,

825
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: and you stop and think in that early spring, that's

826
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: when the animals at their lowest levels and they're hungry

827
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: and you know, and pushing them around is very stressful

828
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: on them. So m But yeah, yeah, like Colorado, I

829
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: think anything west of is shut down to the first

830
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: of May. We've had you know, game ranges around here

831
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: that are shut down to the first of May. That's

832
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: been for ever. But Nevada, you know, Wyoming is west

833
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: of the divide. I don't know if they've gone statewide yet,

834
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: but for picking seasons. Yeah, are there guys right now? Um?

835
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: What about you? Let me let me ask the question first.

836
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: Do elk ranch antlers follow the same market path is

837
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: at its own market guys that are raised the elk

838
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: and ranches? Yeah, I don't know. I don't. I don't

839
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: buy a lot of that stuff. So you buy multi

840
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: wild antlers? Yeah, that that that stuff if they cut

841
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: it in August, you know, just when they're peeling velvet.

842
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: They're white and real sharp, and there's that blood. There's

843
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 1: a lot of blood in there. But it just seems

844
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,959
Speaker 1: like the wild antlers that are out in the sun,

845
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: the wind, the weather, that blood and the wild stuff

846
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: stays good. The stuff in the ranch because they cut

847
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: them and they throw them in sheds or barns and

848
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: they get hot anyways, that blood spoils and it when

849
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: you cut them, it smells like rotten proteins. They're just

850
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: cutting them. They're beating each other up. Yeah, when they're

851
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: in a and when they're in a finched in area.

852
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: You have to do that because when the rudd hits.

853
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: Do you know, are there guys right now that you know,

854
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: even though it's gotten crowded, how many guys are all

855
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: there that you deal with it, are able to that

856
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: are able to at least make a seasonal living picking antlers?

857
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: Quite a few. Yeah, there's people that literally go on

858
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: vacation just to do that. Um. There's a lot of

859
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: people that are hunting guides in the fall and they

860
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: don't have a lot to do in the spring. That's

861
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: all they do is pick. There's a few pickers out

862
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: there or shed hunters, I should say, excuse me, that

863
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: find a lot of antlers, a lot, but they don't

864
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: have anything else going on. Um, I tell people, if

865
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna start shed hunting, don't do it. Don't depend

866
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: on the money. You're going to be greatly disappointed. You know,

867
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: there were some comments in that picture. You know, I've

868
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: never that's why I can't find an antler. Well, no,

869
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: that's not true. The reason you can't find the antler

870
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: is you got to go where they are in the wintertime.

871
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: You can't just go walking around the hills and expect

872
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: to find an antler. It doesn't work. You know, you

873
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: got to go to their winter ground, you know, or

874
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: where they live at that time of the year to

875
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: find the antlers. You can't just go wandering around. So

876
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: what are the talk about how the dog to market

877
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: came in, Like when it came in and how it

878
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: changed the business? I mean I was blown away. Um,

879
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was going on long before I was

880
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: aware of it, but I was blown away when I

881
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,919
Speaker 1: started hearing from people that are paying seven bucks ten

882
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: bucks for a six inch chunk antler, a little half piece.

883
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,959
Speaker 1: Well what happened was way back when, like I said,

884
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: we'll go back to the beginning. It was mainly export

885
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: and then there for a while that went could put

886
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: that flattened out. They stopped importing Antler's overseas because of

887
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: why something got a different market. Just something happened. There

888
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: was something went wrong over there, and a lot of

889
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: it has to do with the strength of the dollar

890
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: against the yen or wand or whatever and anyways. So

891
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: then that there was always export, but that was just it.

892
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: And then then there was the chandelier furniture market that

893
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was in the nineties.

894
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: There was a butcher, a baker, and a chandelier maker

895
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: in every town. Now there's a butcher, a baker, and

896
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: a dog chew maker in every town. Before we do dogs,

897
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: let's do the let's do the chandelier market. Okay, that

898
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: would have only affected premium grade ship though, yeah, basically,

899
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: so then then the stuff that wouldn't work for that,

900
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: then you just sent it overseas. So you were buying

901
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: at that period, you were buying with an eye towards

902
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: chandelier market during that time. Yeah, the four point meal

903
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: deer sheds are nice, big brown ones. That was brought

904
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: the big money. What was that? What was big money?

905
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: My god? It was up to eighteen bucks a pound,

906
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: I think, wow. And then there even for the chandelier market,

907
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: you were still buying them by the pound and not

908
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: by the piece. By the pound, and there was and

909
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: how many of those might go into a big chandelier.

910
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: Back in those days, we had some that were three tears.

911
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: There'd be sixty antlers in them. See, man, I like

912
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: I thought about getting it. No, I didn't want to

913
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: get into the supply business. But I looked at I

914
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: had a nice pile of antlers for quite a while,

915
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: and I just kept thinking about how it's gonna run

916
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: wire through all that ship and make some crazy thing

917
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: out of it. You know, I never got around to it.

918
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: You know how many people we're gonna do that? And

919
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: then they show you antlers with screwed up drill holes

920
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: and broken off screws. And I even went so far

921
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: as the talking to buddies of mine who were showing

922
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: me how to go about it, and little kits and stuff.

923
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: How you get that drill to drill around the corners

924
01:01:55,400 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: like directional drilling. Yeah, they're really took off. Is that

925
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: market dead? Now? That's still there? But now you look

926
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: at them. Sometimes you'll be sitting there in some new

927
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: West Full lodge and you'd be like every one of

928
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: them antlers is exactly the same fake because they make

929
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:19,479
Speaker 1: a fake you. Now, yeah, we back in the day,

930
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: when was that in mid nineties, we were we had

931
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: a Cabella's we were selling we made this small chandelier

932
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: that was on a metal fixture and it was small

933
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: and we were selling them through Cabella's and we were

934
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: selling hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of them. How many

935
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: antlers around those? Eight? Okay, so eight mules your antlers? Yeah,

936
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 1: white tailed, they were white tail and meal there. Anyways,

937
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: j what do you call it? The boulder? It's just

938
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: a brand. The name that gave it. We had a

939
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: red Lodge. We had you just come up with the

940
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 1: quirky names. But so you were making you were in

941
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: the business personally, I wasn't. I don't have the self

942
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: discipline to build one, okay, but you were using your

943
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: antler and haven that we had we had people working

944
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: force that we're making them full time, got it? And anyways,

945
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: so then Capella's bought this fake antler company where they

946
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: were casting fake antlers and then they started doing their own.

947
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: But that to me, like that that that that that

948
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: just feels like, I mean, how could you get into that.

949
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: Who do you want to fake Antler? Sandler? A lot

950
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: of people wouldn't know the difference. A lot of people

951
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't know the difference between a real one and a

952
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:52,439
Speaker 1: fake one. And then the cost is third. That's something

953
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: that blows my mind too, is how could it be

954
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: cheaper to make a fake antlers some plastic into Yeah,

955
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: the other ships laying around on the woods, dude, Yeah,

956
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: finite quality though. Okay, I gotta interrupt our timeline for

957
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: a minutes. I'm gonna forget to ask you this. Do

958
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: you buy it on? Will you buy deadheads just to

959
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: get the antlers off the school? Or do you say

960
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: to the guy cut them off, then I'll buy it. No,

961
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: a lot of times I'll buy him. We've got the

962
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: big commercial saws, and it makes pretty quick work of it.

963
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: So the same thing, you cut the skull off and

964
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:26,439
Speaker 1: weigh it. Yeah, there's no there's no prohibition he gets

965
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: selling a deadhead as long as it's legal in the

966
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: state that you're in. And Wyoming you have to get

967
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: them tagged in the fishing game, and and um, I

968
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: think New Mexico that's taboo without a tag. You know

969
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: what I like about the system in New Mexico's when

970
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: you find something out in the woods like that, like

971
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: a deadhead. Um, we found h Ibeck's deadhead in a

972
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: game ward and comes out and he value and he

973
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: puts a value on it and you buy it from

974
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: the state. So we found a I Beg's deadhead and

975
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't in a great condition like it could get more,

976
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: but it was just like a young deadhead. And he

977
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: came out and I came already told us. He said

978
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: ten bucks. So he spent ten bucks in gas to

979
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: come and tell you. Because that's what's funny about it.

980
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: What's funny about it is he was real curious about

981
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: our hunting license and all that too. You get he

982
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: got a two for he. Um, we called that we

983
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: had a dad head. He came out, gave us, told

984
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: us ten bucks. Does me and Kevin Murphy? I think

985
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: we each paid five while I'm here and and then

986
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 1: basically while I'm here, and he got down to brass

987
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: tacks and our legality and stuff. So the chandelier market, Okay, Um,

988
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: you got into that. Your antler company, yeah, my dad's

989
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: antler company. Yeah, I got it. And uh, what were

990
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: the years of that was hot mid to late nineties. Yeah,

991
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: maybe into the early two thousand's and then it kind

992
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: of peter fell out of fashion. Well yeah, but it

993
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: was still going, it just wasn't as strong as it was. Yeah,

994
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of that were you're honest and

995
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: I were at that time the ski towns. Oh yeah, yeah,

996
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: that's that's a weird thing about ski people in ski towns.

997
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: That was when the lodge decor was big. But why

998
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: are they always into that? Like, why don't they decorated

999
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: like their skiing if you go to I had to do.

1000
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: But I had to go to Big Sky one night

1001
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: there and I had to go to Big Sky one

1002
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: night and at the hotel, you know what they dress

1003
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: up like at the hotel, like cattle ranchers. So why

1004
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: are you guys dressed like cattle ranchers? They were dusters.

1005
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: It's like, why don you dressed like ski people? Like

1006
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: you're like the this is the this is like the

1007
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: opposite of cattle ranching. Lets, this is the end of it.

1008
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: Why in the world are you dressed like cattle ranchers?

1009
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: Do you really want to Why would a ski plays

1010
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: have elk handlers when it's the antithesis of ELK. They

1011
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: don't think all that through anyways. Chandelier marks, chandelier market, right,

1012
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: So then like tell me how that you to like

1013
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: how like where did the chew toy thing come from?

1014
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: M hm? You know, everybody, not everybody, but a lot

1015
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: of people said, oh I was the first to do

1016
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: it before anybody else. But but you were the first?

1017
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I mean, you know, a lot

1018
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: of times in the antler business, the first liar don't

1019
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: stand a chance, you know. But um, when it comes

1020
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: to my piles and how much I buy, and you know,

1021
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: it's always a one upmanship. But there's a guy down

1022
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 1: in Texas, I think Mike who started it text and

1023
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: name Mike. Yeah, and what did he do? Um? Basically,

1024
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: I guess he saw one of his friends dogs chewing

1025
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: on an antler and and the light went off. Yeah,

1026
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: I mean ranch dogs. But I can't I can't verify

1027
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 1: he was the actual first. But if he wasn't, it

1028
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 1: was a close tie. And around what year was that

1029
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: that someone had the light bulb go of? No idea?

1030
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: I think the dog chew business has been going on

1031
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: pretty strong for yeah, fifteen ish years. There's in that

1032
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: New Yorker article, uh said two thousand and four. I

1033
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:42,839
Speaker 1: mean at some point, like the pet health food market

1034
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: latched onto antlers, and that's that's got to have it.

1035
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 1: There was a big scare that came from China. There

1036
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: was a bunch of dog food and dog trees that

1037
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 1: had like cardboard in it, and there was a big

1038
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: deal and people started, I think they started going organic

1039
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:06,799
Speaker 1: and stuff like all natural. Yeah, And I can spend

1040
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: a lot of money on their dogs, more sohol than

1041
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: their kids. I was telling Karan, No, it's a better

1042
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: return on your investment. With a dog, you get unconditional love.

1043
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: What do you get with a kid? You know? Well? Dog,

1044
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 1: I keep telling my kids that dog you got, I

1045
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: tell him, I sell him this yesterday. The dog you

1046
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: got it's only good for in our ten years. Is

1047
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 1: gonna be dead. But I'll be around a lot longer

1048
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: than that. It doesn't matter, does it. No? They think

1049
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 1: they still like that dog better. You're right, So how

1050
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: do you buy for the dog? Like when you're when

1051
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: you're looking at a pile of antlers in your head,

1052
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: are you like that looks perfect for the dog chew business.

1053
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: It's all pretty much perfect for the dog chew business,

1054
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: even the Chalky ones. I don't sell Chalky ones. I

1055
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: know people that do, but I don't sell the Chalky ones.

1056
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: But you just told you tell your guys to pick

1057
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:05,799
Speaker 1: up everything. Yeah, there's there's a market for all of it. Okay,

1058
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 1: So but you said you don't sell Chalky ones for

1059
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: Oh I see two and two together equals slow boat overseas?

1060
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 1: Got it? Well, I know, I don't get it. What's

1061
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 1: that mean? Containers? Okay, overseas to Asian markets, export, got it?

1062
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: So they get separated out? Yeah, oh yeah you great him?

1063
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: Got it? Great them out? So who comes to you

1064
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: to buy? You're not bagging up and going around and

1065
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 1: banging on the door to sell dogs shoes? Who? Who

1066
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: do you see? Who you? Who's your who's your end concern? Like?

1067
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: Who you? Who orders dogs? Who bones from you? Most

1068
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 1: of them are the distributors that distribute to the pet

1069
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: change and I sell mostly bulk. They taken branded, they

1070
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: package it and then they send it off to the

1071
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: pet stores and you buy it and cut it. Right,

1072
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: what are you doing all that in this? And what

1073
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: volume of stuff are you cutting up? For dogs? Volume

1074
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: is total play? Yeah? Like how many pounds are going

1075
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 1: out there in the world. How many pounds of antlers

1076
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: are going out there in the world? From just me,

1077
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: from what how are you put? Yeah, how have you

1078
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 1: put your grip around the size of the dog? To industry?

1079
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 1: It's hard to say because, like I said, if you

1080
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 1: ask a lot of the buyers and how much they

1081
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 1: buy and how much they sell, they're not going to

1082
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 1: give you an accurate answer. You don't say what do

1083
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: you No, I wouldn't tell you even if I knew,

1084
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 1: I really don't know my exact pound ditch. It's always

1085
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 1: coming and going. You know, you a trailer load, you

1086
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: sell half a trailer load. It's always coming and going.

1087
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 1: So what's walked me through? Why not UM? Walk me

1088
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: through the reasons to not share that because it'd be

1089
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 1: like you're because you don't wanna UM, you don't want

1090
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: to expose the magnitude and impact of the industry because

1091
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 1: you don't want to inform competitors. Yeah, I just want

1092
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: to protect my little slice of the pie, and you

1093
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 1: feel that by giving me concrete numbers every time I

1094
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 1: ask how much of this or how much of that

1095
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 1: would impact your slice of the pie. Possibly because people

1096
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: know where I go, and that's why I fly into

1097
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 1: the radar. There's other buyers. In the middle of the night,

1098
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 1: I stopped and then this is no kidding. I stopped

1099
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: in this unnamed town and stayed the night, and I

1100
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: got a phone call from a friend of mine in

1101
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: another state and says, so and so just called me,

1102
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 1: what are you doing in this town? What town was it?

1103
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 1: It was over there. It was in Grants, New Mexico.

1104
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: But this other buy scificities, other buyer had people watching

1105
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: out for my vehicle, and he knew I was there.

1106
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 1: And I just stayed the night and left the next morning.

1107
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 1: So you see what I'm saying. So it's just I

1108
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: like to I just like to be kind of secretive.

1109
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: I like to sneak around and get in and get

1110
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: my stuff and get out. And if people find that

1111
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: you're buying a lot of antlers in an area, they

1112
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: might come in and try to help you take some

1113
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: of those from you. I got. You know, so's the

1114
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: hottest buying what what do you feel is the hottest town,

1115
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: like the least exploited, hottest buy in town in America?

1116
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 1: All Right, that's it'd be hard to It's hard to

1117
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 1: say earlier. Sorry, what's the hottest state? Like, what do

1118
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: you Coloradola? They do Colorado is a really good state,

1119
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 1: Colorado tracing me, Well, that's a good antler buying state.

1120
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: It is after the first of May. Of course. You

1121
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: know earlier how we talked about the mountain men. Are

1122
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 1: you familiar with the fealler named John Coulter. Are you

1123
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: familiar with the fact that, um many people think he

1124
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 1: was the first, uh white man to see Yellowstone National Park.

1125
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with that, wouldn't surprise me. Um So

1126
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: then you probably aren't aware of the fact that for

1127
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 1: a long time they referred to to Yellowstone as Coulter's hell,

1128
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 1: and people didn't believe him know what he saw there?

1129
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: You know what he was doing when he when he

1130
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 1: went there hunting sheds? Nope, he was This is very

1131
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 1: early in the beaver trade. Coulter was going around trying

1132
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 1: to make contact with tribes to see if he couldn't

1133
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 1: get them interested in the beaver market. In the beaver trade, Uh,

1134
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: was there a period in antler buying and you had

1135
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: to do something similar? Tell me about that, like, oh,

1136
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 1: like going into an area and trying to establish pickers. Yeah,

1137
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 1: you're going. And what I do if I go into

1138
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 1: a new areas just you take a sign and sit

1139
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 1: on a street corner, empty lot. They'll sign out there

1140
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: and people will stop ask you a question. So a

1141
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 1: few antlers and you just end up. What I like

1142
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,759
Speaker 1: to do is uh if you don't end up getting

1143
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 1: a buyer there, I it takes a year or two

1144
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: to figure out who the players are in the area

1145
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: as far as shed hunters, and then you just concentrate

1146
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 1: on taking care of them. I can't afford to sit

1147
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:52,679
Speaker 1: all day on a street corner usually got to keep moving. Well,

1148
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: you gotta when you're traveling. You've got an x amount

1149
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 1: of day just to cover your overhead. You know what's

1150
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: a big haul? Antlers for an individual? You can tell

1151
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 1: me this because is not you a hunter shed hunter?

1152
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 1: What would be if I, let's say I call you

1153
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 1: the middle of an annual hall. You're asked by calling

1154
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:14,680
Speaker 1: the middle of the night, and I say, I'm not

1155
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: a buyer, I'm just a shed hunter and I have

1156
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 1: blank pounds. What would be the number that you'd say

1157
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:30,879
Speaker 1: that would perk your ears up? Nowadays? Sure, five pounds.

1158
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 1: So if he says I got five hundred pounds. I

1159
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: picked myself. Your ears perk up. Yeah. Nowadays, Well, tell

1160
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 1: me about thirty years ago. There's guys should find two

1161
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 1: thousand pounds UM. Truck loads used to be average three

1162
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 1: hundred pounds pick up load. When they say I gotta

1163
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: pick up load, it used to be three pounds. Now seriously,

1164
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 1: because they're all dealing with so much competition, because there's

1165
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: so many people doing it. Okay, I supposed to go

1166
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 1: into towns, I wouldn't even have to put up a sign.

1167
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 1: They'd see my rig there. And if I had a

1168
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: few antlers, and we used to used to have a

1169
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,719
Speaker 1: flatbed car hauler and put wire racks up so high,

1170
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:14,560
Speaker 1: and you just throw a hundred pounds in there, and

1171
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 1: I pull into a gas station and people just start.

1172
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 1: We sit there for thirty minutes. People just start showing up.

1173
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: And you could buy two thousand pounds as fast as

1174
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 1: you could. You could buy two thousand pounds in a

1175
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: few hours from people. Just Nowadays, you can sit there

1176
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 1: all day and you might not buy two hundred pounds

1177
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: because there was a buyer in that town the day

1178
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: before you, and there was another buyer two days before you.

1179
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 1: You know, literally you mean like someone seeing your sign

1180
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 1: at a gas station calling, you know, Johnny calls Bill, Hey,

1181
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: it looks like this guy's a buyer. So everybody's just

1182
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: calling everybody who's accumulated sheds and just just show up.

1183
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: You'd have ten twelve people in line to sell your ship,

1184
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: you know, just you know, and it's not like that anymore.

1185
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with role playing? That's the secret years.

1186
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 1: But I'll be a guy named Burt. Okay, we're role playing.

1187
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 1: You're you, you're you. You're in your hotel down You're you.

1188
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 1: You're in your hotel down into Mexico. You're sitting there

1189
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: and you're underwearing your hotel room. I call and I say, hey,

1190
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: I have five hundred pounds of um. I picked it

1191
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 1: myself at five pounds of this year's brown elk candler. Okay,

1192
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 1: bunce of five point six point bulls like good stuff? Okay, um,

1193
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 1: I say, uh, what are you paying? That's gonna be

1194
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 1: how it goes right, yeah, ok And you say what

1195
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 1: whatever the prices at the time will throw me one out, Okay.

1196
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:10,720
Speaker 1: If I if you were a picker, i'd say pund okay, yeah,

1197
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:14,879
Speaker 1: then I go well, Bert said, he'd give me eighteen.

1198
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: We're role playing, that's your tell him, so you gotta

1199
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 1: answer Tony. He says, said, okay, because I know I

1200
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: know Bert's lying, because I'm not going to an area.

1201
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 1: I know what it's like. It's like a set price

1202
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 1: that everyone's playing like the same. Yeah, they don't. They

1203
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,839
Speaker 1: don't do it that way. A lot of guys will quote,

1204
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 1: let's say this is an example, and these numbers aren't

1205
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 1: set in concrete. The guy will come into a town.

1206
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: I'll pay teen dollars a pound for brown, elk you

1207
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: get there. Oh wait, but they've got to be five

1208
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: points without broken points, and they've got to be a

1209
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 1: certain size and a certain shape, and then the rest

1210
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 1: of it a pound. So you net fifteen dollars and

1211
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 1: ten cents a pound. But to this guy's they got

1212
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 1: eighteen dollars a pound. But I don't grade like that.

1213
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 1: And if it's chewed on, it's worth even if it's brown,

1214
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: it'd be worth B grade price. And you know everybody's

1215
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 1: got their smoking mirrors, and I don't like that. I

1216
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 1: got a question for you. Broken chewed it's all the

1217
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 1: same brown as brown. I got a question for you

1218
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 1: might not answer. So less is less is sometimes more?

1219
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: If if the if you're by, if you're giving me

1220
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: fifteen bucks a pound, you're making money somehow. I hope

1221
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 1: that this is where he's gonna. This is where he's gonna.

1222
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: He's gonna be totally transparent. The whole market is it?

1223
01:20:56,360 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 1: Is it hot in here? Like are you are you

1224
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 1: getting sixty in a pound or are you getting thirty pound?

1225
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 1: Why don't we talking percentages? Yeah? No, I'm not making

1226
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: a pound. It's somewhere in between. Let's let's play what's

1227
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 1: that game? High lower whatever? Yeah, you're getting warmer. No,

1228
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 1: you try, I mean you try to when it's all

1229
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: said and done, if you could make okay, that's fair,

1230
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 1: because you got you got overheaded overhead. I could I

1231
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: could buy a very nice I could make a very

1232
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 1: nice mortgage payment on a very nice house just with

1233
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: my fuel bills every month. I got one for you.

1234
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:51,679
Speaker 1: We don't need to role play it, but thank you.

1235
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 1: You go into a town. Okay, all right, No, let

1236
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:56,600
Speaker 1: me say this first. Like you you're one of the

1237
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: um you're one of the biggest elk Andler buyers in

1238
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:04,759
Speaker 1: West not the biggest. No, but I'm up there. Well, okay,

1239
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 1: let's put it this way. I'm in the top so

1240
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 1: many tin Let's say I've downsized my business quite a bit. Okay,

1241
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 1: we'll get to that. I wonna know why, but I

1242
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 1: can answer it in one word. Okay, go ahead, Well

1243
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 1: too three, too much work? Okay, that's fine. But anyways, uh,

1244
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 1: you you go into a town, you go down to

1245
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 1: New Mexico to buy Antler and get okay, time out

1246
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 1: why new Mexico white? Because you mentioned you mentioned, uh,

1247
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 1: you mentioned New Mexico earlier. Well, state you want to

1248
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 1: do Colorado? Okay? You go to Colorado? Colorado treached me? Really, well,

1249
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 1: you got to call Eagle Colorado. You go to Colorado

1250
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 1: to buy Antler? Been there and someone's like, oh shoot,

1251
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 1: some guy was just in town by an ailer. Are

1252
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 1: you probably gonna wind up seeing that pile of antler

1253
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: as a buyer? Possibly? Okay? So when I so, here's

1254
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 1: where I feel that the price. Here's where I feel

1255
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: like the prices is that you're deceiving me in The

1256
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 1: price isn't fixed. Word goes around that it's eighteen bucks

1257
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: a pound. Some guy goes down with a sign in

1258
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: a van and sits there all day in the corner

1259
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 1: and buys a bunch of antler for eighteen a pound.

1260
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 1: When he comes to you, now he's got it. Are you?

1261
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 1: Are you really not gonna like up it a little

1262
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 1: bit to get that big pile of antler? Possibly, But

1263
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 1: the word the number eighteen is just a fictitious number.

1264
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:42,639
Speaker 1: I mean it could be. Usually usually the street level

1265
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 1: buyers will call him that sit there all day. They

1266
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: usually pay less. Uh kingpins. Well, I'm not a kingpin. No,

1267
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: I thought you were doing it sounded like drug vernacular.

1268
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying is that you know

1269
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: there's tonnage buyers. There's different levels, and there's upper tier

1270
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 1: and lower tier. I'm probably mid upper. I'm I'm not

1271
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 1: gonna claim I'm the biggest baddest guy in the world.

1272
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 1: I know I'm not. Um. I just do what I

1273
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:21,719
Speaker 1: can do myself. And but basically, yeah, but I stay

1274
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 1: out of areas where I have people that buy for

1275
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 1: me working, so I don't create competition against myself. If

1276
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 1: somebody calls me from Eagle, Colorado and says, hey, I

1277
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,679
Speaker 1: got fifty pounds or a hundred pounds, when are you coming?

1278
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 1: And I says, well, but here's a guy. I'll have

1279
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 1: a guy get ahold of you. He'll just come and

1280
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 1: get him and he'll treat you good. And they're like, okay,

1281
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: all right. I got a question about a part of

1282
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:54,799
Speaker 1: the market that may not fall under the poundage price.

1283
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,440
Speaker 1: And that's like, do you do you have a completely

1284
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 1: little separate part of your busin this that's for like

1285
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 1: big Giant. That was exactly my next question, where where

1286
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 1: does the crazy ship go? Because I imagine those like

1287
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 1: obviously the poundage thing doesn't work for that market. There

1288
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 1: is and I'm quoting air quotes for those who can't

1289
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 1: see a trophy shed market where things are usually bought

1290
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 1: like shed sets are bought by the set. Yeah, you

1291
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 1: can down the Western Honey Expo there and so late

1292
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: there's usually some booth set up and you'll see a

1293
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: set of you know, three eighties and they're asking five, six,

1294
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 1: seven grand form and good luck. But think they ever

1295
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 1: sell them? Maybe one. You can put whatever price you

1296
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 1: want on them, but you can't go you can't put

1297
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 1: hundred on them and try to negotiate, negotiate up to

1298
01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: so you put eight grand and come down, yes, you know,

1299
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 1: but no, that's that's that's a lot of money for

1300
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 1: a three I just made that up. I don't know

1301
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 1: if that's I mean a long time since I was there.

1302
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:15,679
Speaker 1: I just remember looking at a set of sheds, going, jeez, really,

1303
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:17,679
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money for a set of sheds.

1304
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 1: What was the craziest thing or the biggest thing or

1305
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 1: whatever you've ever seen just thrown into a pile of

1306
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 1: sheds that came into the market biggest and craziest, Yeah, whatever,

1307
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 1: like oddball, Like I mean, if you looked at so

1308
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 1: many thousands and thousands of antlers, what kind of stuff

1309
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 1: flows through that catches you by surprise? Every once in

1310
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 1: a while you'll get a big boon and crockett shed,

1311
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 1: some species that gets into the pile by accident. They

1312
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 1: didn't know what they're looking at. Yeah. And and a

1313
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 1: lot of times when I'm buying, you know, you're throwing

1314
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 1: hundred pounds around at a time. You're not paying much

1315
01:26:56,160 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 1: attention when you're unloading the trailer, going oh wow, and

1316
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 1: do another pile, Well, you just throw it aside, you know.

1317
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 1: And I've got a pile of trinkets, I call them.

1318
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 1: And that's what that was my next question. I've had

1319
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 1: some of these trinkets for three or four years. And yeah,

1320
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 1: because they can't be like it's got to be a

1321
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 1: match set to really like or a very unique single ship.

1322
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 1: Did you bring us like a real crazy present, like

1323
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 1: a crazy as but but but that's not out of

1324
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 1: the question. But i'd have to bring it from Inns.

1325
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 1: I couldn't fit it on the airplane. But um no,

1326
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 1: I do a lot. I don't have a quote trophy

1327
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 1: market where I sell a lot. I do a lot

1328
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 1: of trading with people like if I find if I

1329
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 1: know Bert and Eagle, Colorado or wherever looking for non

1330
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 1: typical mule deer sheds, and if I get one, I'll

1331
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,680
Speaker 1: trade hand some poundage. I see. You know that's I

1332
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 1: do about nineties? How I do it? Got it? You're

1333
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,720
Speaker 1: after the poundage? Well yeah, but I mean it's just

1334
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 1: it's easier to market it and sell it that way. Uh.

1335
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,640
Speaker 1: If you go down to the auction in Jackson, you

1336
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 1: can see people sitting on the square and they get

1337
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 1: their parking spots where they sell their trinkets. And they've

1338
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,640
Speaker 1: got a lot of very nice sheds that are very

1339
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 1: expensive and they don't sell them. So you know, to me,

1340
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it like I can take that shed, okay,

1341
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 1: and turn it into something that I can move instead

1342
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 1: of that money sitting there. Money costs money, right, so

1343
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: why not keep it moving? I took us. I bought

1344
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 1: here's the story. I bought a set of chalky elk sheds,

1345
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 1: and they were really nice. They weren't giant, but it

1346
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 1: was like an eight by nine, okay, And I, I

1347
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 1: don't know, I traded a guy an antler. Well, I

1348
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 1: traded a moose paddle for him, so I had probably

1349
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 1: bucks in it, Okay. Then I took it and I

1350
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 1: drove it across the state and it was in Colorado,

1351
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 1: and I traded for two sixty pounds of assorted grades

1352
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 1: of deerler. So I ended up getting a lot of

1353
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:29,679
Speaker 1: money for that. Is that a moose paddle? I turned

1354
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 1: a moose paddle into a fairly decent pile of deer

1355
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:40,599
Speaker 1: antlers home run for everybody you know. So, but stuff

1356
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 1: like that, And it wasn't. It wasn't two thousand dollars

1357
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 1: worth of deer antlers. I mean there's a lot of

1358
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 1: chalk in there and stuff, But I mean it worked

1359
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: out good. Do you do you notice um on sort

1360
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 1: of on on a meta scale, on a large scale,

1361
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 1: when you're when your hand link thousands of these antlers,

1362
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 1: do you notice years or you're like, man, there was

1363
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 1: great antler growth, or popular populations are down or up?

1364
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 1: Or do you definitely see that? What give me some

1365
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 1: examples of how how that might play out in a

1366
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 1: specific area. Let's say, okay, well, I'll start with the

1367
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: northern Yellowstone elk herd that comes out of the park

1368
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:24,640
Speaker 1: and migrates up the Paradise Valley because it used to

1369
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 1: be sixteen thousand elk roughly give a take. Now it's

1370
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:32,879
Speaker 1: down due I don't even know less than seven thousand,

1371
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:37,640
Speaker 1: still shooting all kinds of cows, you know when I

1372
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 1: attribute a lot of that to the introduction of the wolves,

1373
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 1: you know, and some areas where you have dry years,

1374
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 1: it seems like the antlers are brittle, okay, not a

1375
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 1: lot of mass and wet ears. You seem like you

1376
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 1: get good antler growth, good math. A lot of down

1377
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:02,719
Speaker 1: south and various states. They don't get their range until July,

1378
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 1: so things don't green up till later in the year,

1379
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 1: so that next year brings the antler growth. That depends

1380
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 1: on what kind of feed they're carrying in. So you

1381
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 1: can tell in some areas that are dry that the

1382
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 1: antler growth just doesn't you know, do you see certain

1383
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 1: like maybe that that I don't know if you'd see

1384
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 1: this or not, but like certain tendencies and like the

1385
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:31,680
Speaker 1: elk antlers in one part of the country versus and

1386
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 1: like they grow a certain way. There's characteristics. There's genetics, yeah,

1387
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 1: of course, Like for instance, certain areas in Arizona, New Mexico,

1388
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 1: you get those I don't know what people call the

1389
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 1: come the devil points that come off the brow times

1390
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 1: they stick up like this, or some areas have three

1391
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 1: brow times you know, or forked brow times, um. And

1392
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 1: then there's other areas where they got tops that come

1393
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 1: out different. You know. Yeah, certain areas that Yellowstone heard

1394
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 1: for years you could tell what areas they came from

1395
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 1: because they had really short G three. That was just

1396
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 1: the genetics for the time. You still hear people talk

1397
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 1: about that all the time. Are there more deer antlers

1398
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 1: sold than elk antlers just due to the prevalence of

1399
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 1: for example, whitetail nationally? Um. You know, in terms of

1400
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 1: like what you're what you're buying, what I'm buying personally, no,

1401
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 1: I buy more more olk than do, okay, And then

1402
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,760
Speaker 1: maybe in the market I choose to do that, okay,

1403
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 1: So then maybe in the market generally nationally for buyers,

1404
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 1: that's that's a hard one to answer, you know, because

1405
01:32:54,320 --> 01:33:00,679
Speaker 1: I don't know what other buyers do. But of course,

1406
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 1: realistically speaking, it would make sense because I think there

1407
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:08,080
Speaker 1: are a lot more Dear in the United States things, right,

1408
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 1: And I mean I think when you know, I've I

1409
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 1: bought a Antler choo for my dog a couple of

1410
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 1: years ago. He showed absolutely no interest, so I never

1411
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 1: bought one again. But it was a Dear Antler, not

1412
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:21,640
Speaker 1: an elk Andler, So I can't remember seeing Elk antlers

1413
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 1: being used as dog choose, but I you know, I

1414
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 1: think it's been more Dear Antlers uses dog choose, but

1415
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 1: I can possibly depends on I guess where you go,

1416
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 1: but I shall mostly mostly Elk and in terms of

1417
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 1: your like based on the grade of the Antler, deer

1418
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: or elk, what grade of which antler becomes what end product, Well,

1419
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 1: the A or the number one grade in the number

1420
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:56,000
Speaker 1: two grade usually go for the dog choose and then

1421
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 1: the number three grade. I just I know people that

1422
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:02,240
Speaker 1: sell them. But I don't like it. It's just they're

1423
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 1: they're so dried out. They could be riddle. But it's

1424
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 1: not so like greade a for you is going to

1425
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 1: dog choose and not someone's chandelier for example. No, I

1426
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:20,759
Speaker 1: mean you always pull out. I've got piles and nice sheds,

1427
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 1: you know that I keep out, Yeah, chandelier quality in

1428
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 1: case somebody's looking for something. I got a big pile

1429
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 1: of deer where when we get back and we're gonna

1430
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 1: start building our Christmas tree, Christmas tree out of antlers.

1431
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:37,519
Speaker 1: It's you've been saving for that. Yeah, I just yeah,

1432
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 1: so um and then you know, and if and if

1433
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:45,719
Speaker 1: nobody wants to buy this furniture quality, will say, then

1434
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 1: then yeah, you know, you can always sell them. That

1435
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:52,799
Speaker 1: doesn't really sound like the dog chew market is dominant,

1436
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:56,040
Speaker 1: at least based on on how you're I think it's

1437
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 1: a controlling force right now, without a doubt, without a doubt,

1438
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:04,479
Speaker 1: how would you rate the um in your experience? Like,

1439
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:06,880
Speaker 1: how how would you rate the seediness level of the

1440
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 1: antler market? Oh? Man, like I would things out. You know,

1441
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:14,360
Speaker 1: it brings out the worst than a lot of people

1442
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 1: because like in the seventies, the late seventies, early eighties,

1443
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:20,719
Speaker 1: like the fur trade when when it was crazy hot,

1444
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:24,639
Speaker 1: it just it had, you know, it developed like a seediness. Yeah,

1445
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 1: and we've talked to game wardens where like it does

1446
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 1: a lot of people who are poaching are tied to

1447
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:34,080
Speaker 1: some other type of criminal activity drug dealing or yeah. Yeah,

1448
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:38,679
Speaker 1: I get. And whenever I'm in towns um please stop

1449
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 1: me all the time, say hey, did you buy any

1450
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 1: antler's office so and so? And I said I And

1451
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:48,759
Speaker 1: I looked through my receich I keep accurate re seats

1452
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 1: or no I deal with And I say no, And

1453
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 1: they said, well, keep your eyes out. This is a vehicle,

1454
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 1: here's the license plate number, here's my card. Please call me. Sure,

1455
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:04,160
Speaker 1: no problems because they're stealing ant and usually there doing

1456
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:09,000
Speaker 1: that to fund other devices. Will say, possibly, it seems

1457
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,559
Speaker 1: that it seems that's where it gravitates too much towards

1458
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 1: the illicit stuff. That tree is incredible. Yeah, could you

1459
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 1: guys make that tree? How many? No? No clue, No,

1460
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 1: it's got to be several hundred, right, Oh, it's probably

1461
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 1: it's probably a hundred and fifty minute of doing olk mixed.

1462
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:35,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, it took us about three evenings parting around.

1463
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:38,200
Speaker 1: You know, when the one of the times on the

1464
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:41,600
Speaker 1: antler market blew up, I guess it was kind of

1465
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I don't know what year it was,

1466
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 1: And it probably because you've been in it so long.

1467
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 1: Something at the beginning of things don't seem like the

1468
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,000
Speaker 1: beginning to you because you were in it, like from

1469
01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 1: the infancy of various things. But I don't know when

1470
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,920
Speaker 1: I became aware of like just like the antler market,

1471
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:59,439
Speaker 1: the antler market. I had a friend, my brother will

1472
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 1: last day any he would take all the shed antlers

1473
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 1: and all the ship he killed, and he'd make like

1474
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 1: a cylinder that climbed this big spruce tree, just rap

1475
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 1: a tree in it. One day comes so much is gone.

1476
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 1: A buddy of mine had I was actually in on

1477
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 1: this this bowl we killed. Another friend of mine up

1478
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:20,800
Speaker 1: in Alaska. We killed a nice bowl one time, and

1479
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,320
Speaker 1: I was there with him when he got it, and

1480
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 1: we were talking about that, and he's like gone, hung

1481
01:37:26,439 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 1: on my garage for years and they come home and

1482
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 1: just gone. And I was right around the same time

1483
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 1: my brother's tree got picked clean. Somebody went through and

1484
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:37,960
Speaker 1: made a few stops, you know. But as a buyer,

1485
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 1: um obviously like, well I don't know, man, Like you know,

1486
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 1: if you, for instance, in some stuff, in some stuff

1487
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:48,599
Speaker 1: in wildlife, a buyer is under like quite a bit

1488
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:52,519
Speaker 1: of they're under quite a bit of pressure to vet

1489
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 1: what's coming. Like you go to a tax and ermist, right,

1490
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 1: they you can't just walking with crazy ship new attacks embers.

1491
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:01,280
Speaker 1: He's like, I need your tag and whatever. If you

1492
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:05,200
Speaker 1: go to a tannery, right, it's like, whatever state you're

1493
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 1: coming from, what are the regulations of that state? Is

1494
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:09,680
Speaker 1: it supposed to be sealed? Do you have records and

1495
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:13,639
Speaker 1: all that? But when you're talking about antlers, um that

1496
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:17,599
Speaker 1: you don't. There's no regulatory structure in place on tagging

1497
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 1: the ship, right, So how you know to what degree

1498
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 1: are you held responsible for where something came from when

1499
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 1: you have no real way of vetting it. You're really not.

1500
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 1: You're not. You've got your gut, like you know you

1501
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:36,000
Speaker 1: can deal with some people and you go, this isn't right.

1502
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:39,720
Speaker 1: I'm writing a license plate down it. So you've had

1503
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 1: you'll have a guy approach and you're like, you didn't

1504
01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:48,040
Speaker 1: find those antlers? Like you got them somehow. Besides that sometimes. Yeah,

1505
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, you can't go out and say that, but

1506
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:54,639
Speaker 1: you get a gut feeling, especially when somebody shows up

1507
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:57,759
Speaker 1: with a pile of chalky stuff that's nice and clean

1508
01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 1: and it's got some grass and flower ly stuck to it.

1509
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:04,559
Speaker 1: I took it out of somebody's flower garden. Yeah. Usually

1510
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:06,680
Speaker 1: if they show up with a couple of browns and

1511
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 1: maybe a number two grade and then some chalky ones, yeah,

1512
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:11,760
Speaker 1: they're probably okay. But when they show up at the

1513
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:15,760
Speaker 1: pilot chalk like they stole it from somebody's yard. M hm,

1514
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 1: might you then turn them away? No, I mean because

1515
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 1: if you're not knowingly doing anything, But that's when you

1516
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:29,639
Speaker 1: take extra notations because it could have been his flower. Better. Later,

1517
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:32,280
Speaker 1: the police are going to probably stop and ask you questions.

1518
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:35,160
Speaker 1: Here you go, I mean, I'm not a I'm not

1519
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:38,639
Speaker 1: a hush hush guy. I mean, you know, the game

1520
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 1: warden or somebody came up. Hey, here's my It happened

1521
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:46,559
Speaker 1: down in the auction uh three or four years ago.

1522
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 1: I bought some antlers off a guy. He goes, you're

1523
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 1: gonna be here for a while, I'm sure, and he

1524
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 1: bought some antlers in bottom Foom and the trailer, and

1525
01:39:56,920 --> 01:40:00,000
Speaker 1: I left the auction and went to the motel room

1526
01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:02,519
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting in bed talking to Jamie on the

1527
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:05,240
Speaker 1: phone and my phone rings and I look cold waiting

1528
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 1: and it's the three oh seven. It was Jackson hole number.

1529
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 1: And I said, oh, I gotta go. Somebody's wanting tell

1530
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:14,640
Speaker 1: me antlers probably And they said, oh, this is So

1531
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:18,639
Speaker 1: and so from the Wyoming game and Fish. Can we

1532
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 1: talk to you? Sure? He goes, did you buy some

1533
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 1: antler's office so and so? A matter of fact, we did.

1534
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:28,920
Speaker 1: He goes, where are you at right now? And I said,

1535
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:31,840
Speaker 1: I at my motel And he goes, can we come by?

1536
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:33,320
Speaker 1: And I said sure. He goes, I'll be there in

1537
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 1: one minute. So they knew where I was at because

1538
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:39,760
Speaker 1: the antler had a GPS tracker in it. Oh so,

1539
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:43,720
Speaker 1: but we didn't know. And then So opened up the

1540
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:46,840
Speaker 1: trailer and he pulled the antler out and here it

1541
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:49,720
Speaker 1: is and he goes, He goes, he sold you some morning.

1542
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:52,680
Speaker 1: I go yeah. He goes, we're the rest of his

1543
01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:57,240
Speaker 1: antlers and I go, here's eight thousand pounds in the trailer.

1544
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:01,120
Speaker 1: You know, pick them. I don't know, you know, because

1545
01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:03,960
Speaker 1: they were all mixed, and I go, I, I don't know.

1546
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:07,759
Speaker 1: But anyways, he picked it up off the game range

1547
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 1: before it opened down there one of the feedlots, and

1548
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:13,120
Speaker 1: he took it to his house and they knew he

1549
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:15,360
Speaker 1: had it, and as soon as he moved it, it

1550
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:20,640
Speaker 1: started signaling. And we bought the antlers and left, and

1551
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 1: the the fishing game where there two minutes after we left,

1552
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 1: so they they plugged that one antler just to just

1553
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:32,160
Speaker 1: to do a sting, not a sting, but to catch people.

1554
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:34,840
Speaker 1: And then then they'll go in on May first, right

1555
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:37,280
Speaker 1: before May first, and I'll take it out. But I

1556
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:41,600
Speaker 1: go here, here's my receipt here's my receipts. This is

1557
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:44,360
Speaker 1: the check number I paid him. Uh, and they copied

1558
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:49,680
Speaker 1: that and they said, hey, thanks for your cooperation, and UH.

1559
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 1: The guy was with me that ended up having the

1560
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:55,040
Speaker 1: antler says, hey, wait a minute, you're taking this. I'm

1561
01:41:55,120 --> 01:42:00,200
Speaker 1: losing money, and they says, well, we'll give you a

1562
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:02,840
Speaker 1: slip you can write off as a loss, or they

1563
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 1: if the guy gets busted, restitution restitution, and ended up

1564
01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:12,640
Speaker 1: getting the restitution back. Years ago, I was working on

1565
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:16,760
Speaker 1: an article about livestock theft and I was hanging out

1566
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 1: with some guys from the Rural Rural Crime Task Force

1567
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:24,559
Speaker 1: in Bakersfield, California, and it was in scrap. Prices were high.

1568
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:29,400
Speaker 1: They were running around putting transmitters inside irrigation pipe and

1569
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:31,719
Speaker 1: ship like that. He goes, you could put a stack

1570
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:34,120
Speaker 1: of irrigation pipe out by the road, put a transmitter

1571
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 1: on it. Just wait until the next morning. Gone said,

1572
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:45,799
Speaker 1: it wasn't hard. You know how many during that that issue,

1573
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:51,080
Speaker 1: how many times electricians had to rewire houses because they

1574
01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:57,679
Speaker 1: went stripped all the copper you mentioned? Um, you mentioned

1575
01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 1: two things. You mentioned calling it slowing down on the business,

1576
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:03,559
Speaker 1: but you mentioned that there's a third generation coming up,

1577
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:07,840
Speaker 1: So which is it? No, No, just downsized a little bit.

1578
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:13,680
Speaker 1: I mean you can only handle so much. So No,

1579
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:17,439
Speaker 1: I just pinned out some accounts, downsized a little bit

1580
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:20,479
Speaker 1: to a more manageable level. It's kept growing and growing

1581
01:43:20,479 --> 01:43:23,280
Speaker 1: and growing. Is your business the kind of business that

1582
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:25,800
Speaker 1: you could sell the business? Or does it die with you?

1583
01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:30,320
Speaker 1: What's it worth? But I don't know, sky, I mean,

1584
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:33,640
Speaker 1: you know the people I deal with, there's no contractual agreements,

1585
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:37,000
Speaker 1: so I mean there's no monetary value on it. Uh,

1586
01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:41,320
Speaker 1: And most of my context that I buy antlers from

1587
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:44,800
Speaker 1: other people. Know. I mean, with the advent of the

1588
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:49,360
Speaker 1: social media, everybody knows everybody. So there you know so

1589
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:53,760
Speaker 1: And I'm not a big social media guy. If you

1590
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 1: were to predict, you know, you talked about your son

1591
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:04,920
Speaker 1: um potentially being third generation. Where would you predict the market? Uh,

1592
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 1: where would you say it could be going in five years,

1593
01:44:08,439 --> 01:44:10,479
Speaker 1: ten years? Is there going to be a new thing

1594
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:12,880
Speaker 1: or people are going to get tired of giving their

1595
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:18,160
Speaker 1: dogs antler? Choose? I predict regulation. That's what I was

1596
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:21,000
Speaker 1: gonna know. I was gonna say, what's going to happen?

1597
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:25,680
Speaker 1: Is I think it's going to be regulated. It's going

1598
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:31,920
Speaker 1: to be like hunting um. I think you'll always be

1599
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:36,479
Speaker 1: able to sell antler dog choose. Where it's going to

1600
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 1: go in five years? I have no idea. I wish,

1601
01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:42,040
Speaker 1: I wish, I wish I knew then what I know now.

1602
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 1: So I don't know. And maybe maybe possibly there won't

1603
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:49,719
Speaker 1: be a big commercial market in five or ten years.

1604
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:52,280
Speaker 1: I thought the dog tew market would have already played out.

1605
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:55,719
Speaker 1: It'll play out. Well, I'm the guy that's all Bruise,

1606
01:44:55,880 --> 01:45:00,760
Speaker 1: I'm the guy that predicted that micro Bruce Roll, I

1607
01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:06,599
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know if that pet markets going anywhere.

1608
01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:10,920
Speaker 1: Remind me not to take any stock tips from you

1609
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:17,479
Speaker 1: that though, anything outside of my don't because they're I mean,

1610
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:19,760
Speaker 1: and it's not just the antler dog JeOS, just the

1611
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:25,000
Speaker 1: single ingredient organic other things that are that the dogs

1612
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:31,240
Speaker 1: are chewing on and eating. Uh. It's like Jamie cooks

1613
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:34,960
Speaker 1: for our dogs. Now we don't give them any dry food.

1614
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:41,200
Speaker 1: Sam shot that buck and that dope. The lungs, kidneys,

1615
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:46,040
Speaker 1: the heart everything. We're not heart eaters. So um, the kidneys, lungs,

1616
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 1: got all the internal organs and the dogs just that's

1617
01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:52,240
Speaker 1: a good idea. I do a lot of that for

1618
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:55,280
Speaker 1: my dog, but I haven't done the lungs. That's a

1619
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:58,400
Speaker 1: good idea. They love that stuff. I just boil it, man,

1620
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:01,720
Speaker 1: I minced it up and boil it. She goes nuts.

1621
01:46:02,600 --> 01:46:12,920
Speaker 1: I do raw mm hmm. Don't even boil it, no flash,

1622
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:16,840
Speaker 1: fry it and throw and there slowly transition them over

1623
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 1: so you don't have intestinal distress, do you guys? Has

1624
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:27,880
Speaker 1: c w D affected your business at all? No? Like

1625
01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:32,760
Speaker 1: moving stuff around, well, in certain areas of Colorado or

1626
01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 1: certain areas you gotta you can't transport ahead out of

1627
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:41,880
Speaker 1: the county. It has to be boiled in county for

1628
01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:45,639
Speaker 1: you to transport the antlers on a deadhead for well,

1629
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:48,200
Speaker 1: I do that most of the time anyways, they take

1630
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:51,280
Speaker 1: up so much space. But no, the c w D.

1631
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:56,559
Speaker 1: Other than that, No, it's it's not there's There hasn't

1632
01:46:56,600 --> 01:47:00,479
Speaker 1: been any case that I'm aware of that dogs have

1633
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:05,120
Speaker 1: Actually No, I was just referring to, like in general,

1634
01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:11,160
Speaker 1: has that disease affected how the regulation around interstate transport?

1635
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:18,200
Speaker 1: Probably it's a very small percentage of deadheads that you

1636
01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:26,479
Speaker 1: end up dealing with. Very small. Um. I lost another question.

1637
01:47:26,479 --> 01:47:29,519
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you or the ones I do

1638
01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:32,800
Speaker 1: buy are already selling off so you just get in

1639
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:36,400
Speaker 1: stand up with the mandlers. So it's not a big deal. Well,

1640
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:37,920
Speaker 1: I know what I was gonna ask. Cut out might

1641
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:42,880
Speaker 1: not member when I was gonna ask if you're a seller? Okay,

1642
01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:46,519
Speaker 1: is there anything to gain? Role play? Again? No, no,

1643
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:49,840
Speaker 1: we need to role play. Is there ever a pitch

1644
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:57,559
Speaker 1: about why a seller should go to you? Like, do

1645
01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:59,400
Speaker 1: you feel like plugging? Do you feel like saying hey

1646
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:05,200
Speaker 1: man if you okay? Or call me honesty? Yeah, yeah,

1647
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm pretty straight good. I when I when I like

1648
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:11,240
Speaker 1: I just started buying antlers off a guy in the

1649
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:13,880
Speaker 1: Midwest by his deer, and I go, look, here's my

1650
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:17,760
Speaker 1: here's my deal. Okay, I said, I'm going to be

1651
01:48:18,280 --> 01:48:23,920
Speaker 1: brutally honest with you one way or the other. Either

1652
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:27,800
Speaker 1: either way it could work bad, work for your favorite.

1653
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:31,439
Speaker 1: And I said, I expect the same treatment in return.

1654
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:35,559
Speaker 1: I said, don't hide anything, don't pull any punches. I mean,

1655
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:38,479
Speaker 1: if you got a problem, call me, you know, and

1656
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:40,679
Speaker 1: if I have a problem with you, I'm gonna tell you.

1657
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:48,960
Speaker 1: And you know, that's how we get along. So transparency, honesty, um,

1658
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:56,720
Speaker 1: you know. And yeah, the new people that try out

1659
01:48:56,960 --> 01:49:00,200
Speaker 1: and if you treat them right, they'll come back. So

1660
01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:01,720
Speaker 1: how do people find you if they want to sell

1661
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:07,639
Speaker 1: you pile anlers? You gotta care. I do care. They

1662
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:11,400
Speaker 1: just word of mouth. My numbers out there people know

1663
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:17,280
Speaker 1: Tony Shoffer. Well, I'm just you know, I'm um, like

1664
01:49:18,120 --> 01:49:21,800
Speaker 1: one guy I know that I buy from. You don't know.

1665
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:24,439
Speaker 1: You don't want to say your number right now? Bill,

1666
01:49:24,479 --> 01:49:27,679
Speaker 1: you got antlers and cell? Call me four zero six

1667
01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:35,080
Speaker 1: five seven zero three three seven one. I repeat four

1668
01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:41,120
Speaker 1: zero six seven zero one. You know what? You know

1669
01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:43,200
Speaker 1: what Three of the biggest lives are in the world.

1670
01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:47,920
Speaker 1: Was that a lie? I love you checks in the

1671
01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:51,920
Speaker 1: mail and I'm an honest antler buyer. What was the

1672
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:59,479
Speaker 1: number he just gave four zero six seven zero one. Yeah,

1673
01:49:59,479 --> 01:50:01,960
Speaker 1: it's that's really his number. Yeah, I got your number.

1674
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:10,160
Speaker 1: Please please no hate mail? Yeah, no yourself mailer man. Yeah. Yeah.

1675
01:50:10,439 --> 01:50:13,479
Speaker 1: If your kid, uh, your kid takes over, he can

1676
01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:16,599
Speaker 1: he can adopt some of the new ways like social

1677
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:21,599
Speaker 1: media and stuff like that. Definitely, he's there the our

1678
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:24,640
Speaker 1: fourteen year old twins. Now I go to them my

1679
01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:30,280
Speaker 1: phone's not working and they fix it in ten seconds. Yeah. Yeah, Well,

1680
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:33,400
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on man, thanks for having me. It's

1681
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:36,639
Speaker 1: I guess it's an honor. Like I said, I've some grin.

1682
01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:41,160
Speaker 1: You guys are celebrities in some circles. I guess. No,

1683
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. No. You know, I watched your show

1684
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:47,760
Speaker 1: since you started, and I kind of like the way

1685
01:50:47,880 --> 01:50:50,599
Speaker 1: you do it. They appreciate it. You know. It's not

1686
01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:54,040
Speaker 1: just going out there and shooting a big animal and

1687
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:55,840
Speaker 1: I get a couple of big ones. No, you do,

1688
01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:58,000
Speaker 1: but you know what it is. It's not like you

1689
01:50:58,080 --> 01:50:59,840
Speaker 1: go to our private place and they know where this

1690
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:01,639
Speaker 1: deer is and you set up and shoot it. Now

1691
01:51:01,680 --> 01:51:05,719
Speaker 1: you're out there doing the whole philosophical thing, and thank you,

1692
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:10,400
Speaker 1: appreciate it, and get some ideas on cooking. I like

1693
01:51:10,479 --> 01:51:13,479
Speaker 1: to do that for sure. One thing I'll never try

1694
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:17,120
Speaker 1: is that boiled tongue that you and cal ate one

1695
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:21,639
Speaker 1: time deer hunting in. Dude, you don't know what you're

1696
01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:24,920
Speaker 1: talking about. Man, Just to me and listen. Let me

1697
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:26,240
Speaker 1: tell you. I want to give you a hot tip.

1698
01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:29,160
Speaker 1: Next time you get out when someone comes with some antlers,

1699
01:51:29,160 --> 01:51:31,200
Speaker 1: say how about you selling me that tongue? You get

1700
01:51:31,240 --> 01:51:34,479
Speaker 1: the tongue? Listen, what up? Listen to what I'm saying.

1701
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:40,280
Speaker 1: Put that tongue on pot of water and barely simmer it.

1702
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:44,759
Speaker 1: Elk tongue, de your tongue, whatever the elk tong is nicer, Okay,

1703
01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:48,920
Speaker 1: barely simmer it until you notice it around where you

1704
01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:52,759
Speaker 1: cut it off that you know it's the outer skin

1705
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:57,080
Speaker 1: is starting to peel away. Okay, all right, Now put

1706
01:51:57,080 --> 01:51:59,680
Speaker 1: it in cold water. Plunge in cold water so you

1707
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:02,880
Speaker 1: don't in your fingers, and see can I peel all

1708
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:05,679
Speaker 1: the outer skin off? If you can't let it boil longer?

1709
01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:08,320
Speaker 1: Eventually get all the outer skin peeled off. The tongue.

1710
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:12,760
Speaker 1: It's white when you peel it off. Now, put a

1711
01:52:12,840 --> 01:52:18,160
Speaker 1: dry rub all over that suthing bitch. Put in a smoker. Really,

1712
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:20,479
Speaker 1: then you slice it up and eat that and tell

1713
01:52:20,479 --> 01:52:24,320
Speaker 1: me there's a problem that everybody that eats it says

1714
01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:29,360
Speaker 1: the same thing. That's good, some variation on that. You know,

1715
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:32,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm telling you, dude, after it's good.

1716
01:52:33,120 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 1: Tacos too, oh so fatty and good lingua mm hmm. Yes,

1717
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:41,920
Speaker 1: after a couple of beers, I'd probably try just about it.

1718
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:43,800
Speaker 1: I gave it to you right now. If I gave

1719
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:46,439
Speaker 1: it to you right now, you you didn't know what

1720
01:52:46,479 --> 01:52:48,080
Speaker 1: it was, you wouldn't know what it was, but you

1721
01:52:48,200 --> 01:52:52,240
Speaker 1: think it was pretty damn good. Our great Dane loves time.

1722
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:56,320
Speaker 1: That's how it was the first time I ate Mountain Lion.

1723
01:52:56,400 --> 01:52:59,840
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was eating, and you liked it. Yeah, Sure,

1724
01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:02,640
Speaker 1: looked like kind of it was pork chop. Looks like

1725
01:53:02,640 --> 01:53:06,360
Speaker 1: a pork chop. There's gravy and rice and a bunch

1726
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:08,080
Speaker 1: of it before I figured out what it was. And

1727
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:10,439
Speaker 1: I don't mind up what I like about that. The

1728
01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:13,680
Speaker 1: fat is pretty good on it. You don't, but I had,

1729
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:16,880
Speaker 1: I've had. I've had a mountain lion backstraft. It was

1730
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:20,400
Speaker 1: captain fat, and the fat was good like pork fat,

1731
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:23,519
Speaker 1: legitimately good. You got to cook it, though I expected

1732
01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:24,680
Speaker 1: to not be good. Oh yeah, you can get the

1733
01:53:24,720 --> 01:53:27,360
Speaker 1: old trick nosis off that. You know that a little

1734
01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:29,200
Speaker 1: bit of something about that, don't you know they're saying

1735
01:53:29,200 --> 01:53:35,840
Speaker 1: you can't eat the antlers Tony soul business And I'm

1736
01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:38,240
Speaker 1: going to tell you the story, and you got me sidetracked.

1737
01:53:38,280 --> 01:53:43,559
Speaker 1: But a professional athlete that torres rotator cuffies playing professional baseball,

1738
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:46,280
Speaker 1: do we have time? And oh yeah, us. Well, anyways,

1739
01:53:46,280 --> 01:53:48,400
Speaker 1: he tore his rotator cup and he got surgery and

1740
01:53:48,439 --> 01:53:50,720
Speaker 1: the doctor goes, here, take these pills, I'll help you.

1741
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:52,320
Speaker 1: And he goes, what are there? He goes there antler

1742
01:53:52,320 --> 01:53:55,280
Speaker 1: powder pills. So I started taking them and the pain

1743
01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:58,240
Speaker 1: went away, and he goes, so he quit taking him,

1744
01:53:58,240 --> 01:54:01,320
Speaker 1: and the pain came back. So he started taking the

1745
01:54:01,400 --> 01:54:05,080
Speaker 1: pain went away, and he actually started a company and

1746
01:54:05,200 --> 01:54:08,599
Speaker 1: was making those pillsel athletes take them. I took it,

1747
01:54:08,720 --> 01:54:10,920
Speaker 1: and yeah, a lot of Asian pains went away. So

1748
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:14,759
Speaker 1: there's there's something to it, just like the Asian culture.

1749
01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:17,559
Speaker 1: How old is that? It's way older than ours? And

1750
01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:19,040
Speaker 1: I bet you they know a lot more than we

1751
01:54:19,120 --> 01:54:24,200
Speaker 1: do about stuff. Cringe. Yeah, she's only half agent. Just

1752
01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:27,760
Speaker 1: asked her. She'll tell you know, she knows a lot.

1753
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:31,080
Speaker 1: She'll tell you I definitely haven't tried any of that.

1754
01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:34,720
Speaker 1: Then maybe i'll you know, some people, it's just good

1755
01:54:34,760 --> 01:54:37,280
Speaker 1: for your dogs, and I'll lick us a milk gittler

1756
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:40,640
Speaker 1: split in half. I'll lick it. Doesn't do anything. Oh no,

1757
01:54:40,640 --> 01:54:43,360
Speaker 1: I imagine not. Oh you know what about making like

1758
01:54:43,480 --> 01:54:47,160
Speaker 1: antler toothpicks that you that you'd start chewing on. Maybe

1759
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:53,240
Speaker 1: that's a new fan. There you go. Possibly, thank you,

1760
01:54:53,360 --> 01:54:55,240
Speaker 1: it was a pleasure me. Yeah, thanks for coming and

1761
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:59,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate him. Thanks joy, Hopefully see you again. Sometimes,

1762
01:54:59,320 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 1: Oh I think so. I hopefy people calling him and

1763
01:55:01,200 --> 01:55:03,840
Speaker 1: sell you some sweet antlers. Here's the one deal man.

1764
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:07,920
Speaker 1: If someone calls you and sells you some antlers and

1765
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:09,600
Speaker 1: they say like, oh, hey, I heard your number on

1766
01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:12,840
Speaker 1: the show. You picked me out the coolest one there,

1767
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:16,720
Speaker 1: not out of every batch, but like whatever, send me

1768
01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:18,600
Speaker 1: a cool one out of there. Okay, Well I'll tell

1769
01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:20,920
Speaker 1: you what I'll do. I'll do a trade with you.

1770
01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:24,040
Speaker 1: So I'll give you a couple of good cool ships.

1771
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:29,920
Speaker 1: But I need some autographed swag from your friends. Like

1772
01:55:29,960 --> 01:55:32,880
Speaker 1: I said, they think you're some sort of a celebrity.

1773
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:37,600
Speaker 1: We're not gonna spoil that for him. Were signed some stuff,

1774
01:55:37,880 --> 01:55:40,720
Speaker 1: We're signed some stuff. Yeah, and we're gonna watch the

1775
01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:44,360
Speaker 1: mailbox for a sweet Antler. No, I won't mailbox. I'll

1776
01:55:44,360 --> 01:55:46,520
Speaker 1: bring it and let you pick him out. I'll stop

1777
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:48,800
Speaker 1: by one of these times, better and better all right

1778
01:55:49,120 --> 01:55:50,520
Speaker 1: to tell you about your name and name of your

1779
01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:55,080
Speaker 1: company to Shaffler, Rocky Mountain Antler Company. There you haven't

1780
01:55:55,120 --> 01:55:58,760
Speaker 1: call him up some big pile. He's waiting for you

1781
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:18,480
Speaker 1: in his underwearing the hotel room. Be maybe