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Speaker 2: And welcome to another edition of Feminists around the World.

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Speaker 2: And we are continuing in our celebration of a Disability

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Speaker 2: Pride Month, and we're talking about the continuous work of

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Speaker 2: Alu ni Awasusi. And I'm so sorry if I butchered

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Speaker 2: that I could not find anyone pronouncing their full name,

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Speaker 2: and so I had to go through different sites. If

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Speaker 2: someone knows the actual correct way, and if I did

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Speaker 2: it wrong, please please please let us know, because just

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Speaker 2: because I don't know how to say their name doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean we don't want to talk about them. We think

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Speaker 2: it's important, so we will always put an effort. But

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Speaker 2: they do go by they then pronouns. But they've also

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Speaker 2: identified themselves as quote mad slash disabled, and I think

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Speaker 2: there's a lot to say to that, and they have

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Speaker 2: been upfront and vocal and advocating for more accessibility when

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Speaker 2: it comes to technology, and I don't think we talk

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Speaker 2: about this enough, so we wanted to highlight Alu and

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Speaker 2: their work. And Alu explains that their passionate about the

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Speaker 2: Internet on their site Alu dot Online and if you

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Speaker 2: want to go to their site. They have a link

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Speaker 2: tree that has all of their sites. You can follow

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Speaker 2: them on patreont all the good things, so you should

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Speaker 2: go check that out. But they say I've been in

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Speaker 2: love with the Internet ever since I installed a dial

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Speaker 1: I feel those pains.

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Speaker 2: I believe that Internet is something that should be available

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Speaker 2: and accessible to every and anyone who wants to use it.

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Speaker 2: It has changed my life in innumerable ways, and I

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Speaker 2: to build themselves a life with it or without it.

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Speaker 2: And in an interview on medium dot com, they continue

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Speaker 2: Broken Stereo when I was in primary school, much to

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Speaker 1: They talk more about their interest in technology In a

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen interview with how we get to next dot

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Speaker 1: So that was that as far as a career in

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Speaker 1: Polaris and she was a blue unicorn. But unfortunately this

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Speaker 1: It was intense and you know Polari's r ip.

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Speaker 2: So that just did not work out well for me.

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Speaker 2: Having no access to the Internet creates problems in many

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Speaker 2: parts of modern life. In the UK, bank branches are closing,

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Speaker 1: And they go on writing specifically about the UK where

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Speaker 2: Right this article came from twenty twenty, so it is

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Speaker 2: Biden has tried to is trying to give access to

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Speaker 2: boost willing black developers, to include us more in the

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Speaker 2: more available to curious people. For instance, I struggle to

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Speaker 2: ALU's presentation for building an equitable Web, Alu says Diane Abbott,

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Speaker 2: got more abuse than other MPs. More abuse is directed

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Speaker 2: Mermaids is a charity that supports transgender and their parents.

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Speaker 2: Their CEO, Susie Green, has been targeted with abuse and

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Speaker 2: day at one point. There's lots of misinformation outright lies

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Speaker 2: This is rarely true. Kids are trying to access life

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Speaker 1: Ray and with these continued issues, Alu also talks about

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Speaker 1: But as long as web accessibility standards are applied without rigor,

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