1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:02,199 Speaker 1: Canf I and six forty. 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio apps. 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 3: This program may contain content not suitable for everyone. 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 2: Discretion advised. January thirtieth, nineteen thirty nine, during a two 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 2: and a half hour speech, German dictator Adolf Hitler tells 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: a crowd of thousands that if another World war were 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: to break out, he predicted the annihilation of the Jewish 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: race in Europe. Eight months later, Germany invaded Poland and 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: World War II began, and Hitler continued his genocide of the. 10 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 4: Jews inside Germany itself. The elized date is the famous 11 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 4: stadium of Nouremberg. 12 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: On May eighth, nineteen forty five, the War in Europe ended. 13 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 4: Capture of this famous southern German city. The American flag 14 00:00:59,240 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 4: blued out. 15 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 5: The washed the gun. 16 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: After the dust settled, it was estimated that more than 17 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,279 Speaker 2: six million Jews died in the Holocaust, But what didn't 18 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: die was anti Semitism. In fact, it flourished throughout history 19 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 2: and today, almost eighty years later, anti Semitism has evolved 20 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: and become even more dangerous, largely due to technology. 21 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 6: If Adolf Hitler had an Instagram, account, the Holocaust would 22 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 6: have happened a lot quicker because the public would have 23 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 6: been convinced a lot sooner. 24 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: For the next two hours, we speak with those who 25 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 2: have experienced anti semitism. We also talked to historians, law enforcement, activists, 26 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: and rabbis. This is the KFI News special Hate Modern Antisemitism. 27 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: I'm Steve Gregory. The Internet and social media have allowed 28 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: tens of thousands to mask their identities, to sit in silence, 29 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: typing hateful words, inciting others to commit violence, all from 30 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: this safety and security of their private residence, office, or smartphone. 31 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: And then there are those who gladly display their hate 32 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: online for everyone to see. And here you think you 33 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 2: should be put in oven? Are you Jewish? 34 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god, leave our country. 35 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: And this guy's recognized as having one of the most 36 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: powerful and lucrative white supremacist followings on the internet. He 37 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: travels around the country to confront Jewish people. You journeyed 38 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: you you But the anti Semitism isn't exclusive to these types. 39 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: It's become more mainstream over the years. This is an 40 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: exchange between a reporter and White House Press Secretary Karine 41 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: Jean Pierre. 42 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 6: Was announced earlier today than the rapper formally known as 43 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 6: Kanye West wants to buy it as a social conservative social. 44 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: Media platform parlor. 45 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 7: And this comes after he was kicked off of Twitter 46 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 7: and Instagram last week for his own set of anti 47 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 7: Semitic comments. 48 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 5: Is the White House the President concerned? 49 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 3: What I can speak to is hateful rhetoric. What I 50 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 3: can speak to is insulting rhetoric. What I can speak 51 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 3: to is anti Semitism, which is hateful, It is dangerous. 52 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: Even self proclaimed religious leader's way in this is the 53 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: head of the Nation of Islam, Lewis Farrakon. 54 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 3: And I'm here to separate the good Jews from the 55 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 3: Satan Jews. 56 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Yes. 57 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: During the numerous interviews conducted for this special a common 58 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: theme was evident. The reason anti Semitism continues to grow 59 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: is the lack of education about the past and the 60 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: dangers of hate. A breakdown of curriculums around the country 61 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: shows nineteen states require high schools to teach their students 62 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: about the Holocaust, while thirty one. 63 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: States do not. 64 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: In a recent poll by the American Jewish Committee, forty 65 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: one percent of Jews say the status of Jews in 66 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: America is less secure than a year ago. That's up 67 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: from thirty one percent in twenty twenty one. And going 68 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: back to the technology piece, eighty five percent of Jews 69 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: from eighteen to twenty nine years old have seen or 70 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: were the target of anti semitism online at least once. 71 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, our journey begins with Rabbi Abraham 72 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,559 Speaker 2: Cooper at the Simon Weisenthal Center. 73 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 7: I'm the Associate Dean and Director of Global Social Action 74 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 7: for the Simon Weisenthal Center, our international headquarters of this 75 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 7: leading Jewish NGO right here in Los Angeles, California. I 76 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 7: also serve as a vice chair of the United States 77 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 7: Commission an International Religious Freedom. 78 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 2: Rabbi Cooper breaks down their annual report on Digital Terrorism 79 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: and Hate, where they give a letter grade to media, 80 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: companies and individuals. 81 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 7: We take about seven hundred and fifty to one thousand 82 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 7: examples of what transpired in the previous year. It's kind 83 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 7: of a snapshot of the low lights, if you will. 84 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 7: And also I wouldn't say predictive, but I also identif 85 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 7: find some of the players behind, whether it's a lurid 86 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 7: conspiracy that goes after minorities or whatever it might be. 87 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 7: So we have that, and then we have the big 88 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 7: companies we grade on how they deal with these issues. 89 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 7: And in addition to that, there are very often new 90 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 7: platforms that frankly I never heard of, but our researchers 91 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 7: have that, for example, TikTok came early. Whatever it might be, 92 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 7: they're also going to be in the mix. And what 93 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 7: we found, quite remarkably is that a lot of the 94 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 7: companies were very sensitive about the grades they got. I 95 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 7: remember one time I was at in the early years 96 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 7: of Twitter at their headquarters in San Francisco, with about 97 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 7: fifteen of their top executives. A few of them were lawyers, 98 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 7: and one of them came over and said, you know, rap, 99 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 7: I noticed that last year you gave us an F 100 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 7: on the report card, and do you think in my 101 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 7: grade might change? And I said, well, you know, to 102 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 7: be perfectly honest, if there was a grade lower than F, 103 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 7: that's what I would give to Twitter. Because in those years, 104 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 7: Twitter was the weapon of a choice of terrorists, and 105 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 7: it wasn't until you had congressional hearings at the height 106 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 7: of isis power, where someone you know says, well, in 107 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,559 Speaker 7: the month of October, on average to a two hundred 108 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 7: thousand tweets sent out by ISIS on a daily basis. 109 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 7: And it wasn't until Jack Dorsey's life was threatened by 110 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 7: the terrorists that they suddenly might say found religion and 111 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 7: things you know, changed a little bit. And here we 112 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 7: are in twenty twenty three, still grappling with Twitter. We've 113 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 7: been in touch with Elon Musk. Still think that jury's out. 114 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 7: We need a change of culture that's going to include 115 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 7: a systemic, serious look and dealing with the most maybe 116 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 7: the most difficult thing, drained the line on hate and 117 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 7: actually holding people and institutions accountable for it. So we've 118 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 7: put in we've approached must directly, probably now about two 119 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 7: months ago on behalf of one hundred and eighty Jewish 120 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 7: organizations around the world, and so far the results are mixed. 121 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 7: We're still looking for the systemic approach, but I also 122 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 7: would just you know, caution the listeners, because everybody in 123 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 7: America seems to have chosen upsides either left or right, 124 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 7: you're progressive or conservative. We don't look at it that way. 125 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 7: We're trying to play it right down the middle. And 126 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 7: you know, I've never understood how could allow a murderous 127 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 7: thug like the Ayatola Kamani, who's crushing the human dignity, 128 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 7: human rights of his own people in Iran, and so 129 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:17,119 Speaker 7: many hundreds of individuals murdered, tens of thousands in jail, 130 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 7: the women who've tried to change the reality there. He's 131 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 7: still up on Twitter as we speak. And for all 132 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:29,559 Speaker 7: of those years that we urged, beag cajoled, threatened, whatever 133 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 7: it might be, they just never made a move. And 134 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 7: so you have this situation where in the old regime 135 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 7: they took down the president of the United States and 136 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 7: they left Comane up. So maybe, you know, maybe Trump 137 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 7: deserved what he got. But we know one thing, the 138 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 7: most powerful marketing platform is there for a government that 139 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 7: is officially a Holocaust denier, that is talking that suggest 140 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 7: you know, wants to genocide the Jewish state and threatens 141 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 7: existential threat to every one of the of the countries 142 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 7: in the Gulf. 143 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 5: So there's never been a consistency. 144 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 7: And now we have a situation again, I think primarily 145 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 7: because of COVID, in which everyone is now in the 146 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 7: social media basket, that's where all the action is at, 147 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 7: and the companies are happy about the traffic. We need 148 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 7: them to also be good citizen. 149 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: More with Rabbi Cooper. But first, this is Hate Modern 150 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 2: Anti Semitism on KFI AM six forty. 151 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 8: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 152 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 8: six forty. 153 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 154 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 2: I'm Steve Gregory and this is the KFI New special 155 00:09:54,679 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 2: Hate Modern Anti Semitism. Rabbi Michael Barker. He's the founder 156 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: of Temple ner Sim in Westlake Village, California, just north 157 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: of Los Angeles. It's a small and modest temple in 158 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 2: the middle of a sleepy town and it still attracts hate, 159 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 2: and one of its targets is Rabbi Barkley and his family. 160 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: So Westlake Village is an upper middle class to upper 161 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: class financially that kind of area. It is a suburb 162 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: of Los Angeles. When we first moved here, I looked 163 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: at a friend and I said, this looks like all 164 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: the houses in the TV show Weeds, and it goes, well, 165 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: this is where they shot it. So it's really the 166 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: epitome of a suburb in many many ways. It was 167 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: a pre planned community in terms of the power lines 168 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: aren't above ground, they're below grounds. It's very green and 169 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: very beautiful. Lake Sherwood, which is one of the most 170 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: beautiful areas in all Californias here and the Lake Sherwood 171 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: Development and Sherwood Country Club and Sherwood Lakes Club, two 172 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:57,599 Speaker 1: Mazon golf courses, Westlake Island, things like that. Interestingly, and 173 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: we're close to the west part of the San Fernando 174 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: Valley as well as we're not far from Simi Valley 175 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: and close to Thousand Oaks. 176 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 5: I would say. 177 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: Probably over a third of the people who come to 178 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: our community for whether it's a service or a festival 179 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: or a class, actually are traveling from the West side 180 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: of Los Angeles. They for whatever read different reasons and 181 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: there's different reasons to reach to them. They resonate to 182 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: what we do and how we do it, and they 183 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: come out here for the high holidays or for services 184 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: or classes, et cetera. 185 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: Is this a safe area? Would you categorize it as 186 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: a safe area in terms of crime and assaults and 187 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: those college Now, this is the suburbs. 188 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: This is when I live in Westchester and was teaching 189 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: a loyal and Merrymount. This is a very different area. 190 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: You know, this is not an area where typically you 191 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: have gangs walking around or a lot of crime plafs 192 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,599 Speaker 1: that we know of. Typically it's an area. You know, 193 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: one of the jokes that we make is I'm a 194 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 1: person of color here because it is a very classic 195 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: suburban area for better and for worse, and it's a 196 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: very safe area. You know, instead of living in Westchester 197 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: by Louella, which is a great area as well, we 198 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: live across from a park that has three baseball fields 199 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: and beach, volleyball and tennis courts, and it's very green 200 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,599 Speaker 1: and a wonderful place to have a family and to 201 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: raise a family, and to be safe in that way. Typically, 202 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: that's what it's always been. 203 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 2: That said, you know, attacks against synagogues, hate crimes against 204 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 2: Jewish people are on the rise everywhere. Are you Have 205 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 2: you been immune to that in this safe area, the 206 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 2: safe suburb of yours. 207 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: The exact opposite. No, we have not been immune at all, 208 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: and I have not been immune to it in any 209 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form in this in this area. 210 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: I hate get regular hate mail. I get regular threats. 211 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: We have armed security at every event we do. Either 212 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: if it's a large event, we will hire security firms 213 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: that are showing their firearms on the outside, so it's 214 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: a deterrent as well. But every event we have, every 215 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: gathering we have, there is at least one person with 216 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: a concealed carry who's trained in that handling security for 217 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 1: the event, at least one. And that's everything we do. 218 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: And it's a sad statement, but it's it's what's needed. 219 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: And as I said, my house has been bandalized four times, 220 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: most recently. You know, we put up video cameras and 221 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: we actually have a video of some guys in hoods 222 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: throwing an m ad at our house. 223 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 2: Guys in hoods as in hoodies or hoodies. Okay, so 224 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: Antifa look throwing eights at your house? Yes, any words spoken, 225 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: any words painted on your walls. I mean, do you 226 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 2: know what they're doing there? 227 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: They know where the Jewish, They notice the home of 228 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: the Jewish leader. We also do temple events occasionally at 229 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: our center, at our home. In this case, the last 230 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: case with the m ad, we had a there's a 231 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 1: holiday and Judy's and suit coat and you build a 232 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: temporary structure and you have parties in it and you 233 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: dwell in it. And we build the community soca in 234 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: our backyard. Because I say, we don't own this temple property, 235 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: so we don't have the property to build it, so 236 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: can we have over the course of the seven nights. 237 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: Each night we have anywhere from thirty to one hundred 238 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: and fifty people in our backyard under the Soka doing 239 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: all of that. This was on a Friday night when 240 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: we'd had a seb Coata gathering. We had armed security 241 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: right outside the house. There's no way that you could 242 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: get on a side gate without seeing a guy with 243 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: a firearm. The event had ended, we had closed everything up, 244 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: turned off the lights not I mean less than ten 245 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: minutes after the lights were turned out, and the security 246 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: guy had left. My family and I were upstairs when 247 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: we hear this explosion like I've never heard of my life, 248 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: because thank god I was not in a war. And 249 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: this car screeching off, and we look at the video 250 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: and it's some people who are parked in front of 251 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: our house, gotten out of the car from on them 252 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: eight gotten back and the card screeched off. It's really sad. 253 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 2: Do you believe it's people or it's individuals that are 254 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: from this suburb or do you think they're outsiders. 255 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 5: I think they're from the suburb. 256 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: Really I think people are doing the actions are from 257 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: this area, whether directly from West Lake or whether they're 258 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: from Agura, Thousand Oaks or somewhere in the San Franzo 259 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: Valley or seeming out. I think people aren't schlepping. They're 260 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: not driving an hour to come after our house or 261 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: our community. They're people who are local in whatever way. 262 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: It's interesting because we talked to law enforcement professionals and 263 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: they keep eyes on these hate cells and these anti 264 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: Semitic cells, and they're getting their marching orders from groups 265 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: out of Illinois, Northern California, Orange County, California, and they 266 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 2: dispatch these cells to go to all these different communities, 267 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: small and large. That's why I ask the question, because 268 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: unless you have evidence of it being someone local you think, 269 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: or at least in the region or the area. But 270 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: I do know that there are groups that are from 271 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: out of town that are coming in to reac havoc 272 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: and to do this for whatever, you know, whatever their 273 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 2: motive or whatever their takeaway is. 274 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: But they're coming from out of town. I don't think 275 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: that's if I judge it based on the hate mail 276 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: that we've gotten, It's not coming from people. 277 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: Tell us about that hate. 278 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: So as an example, so before high holidays we advertise 279 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: in the two local papers. One it's called the Acorn, 280 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: one it's called The Guardian. And the Guardian is owned 281 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: by people who are politically conservative. Many of their advertisers 282 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: and their take on the news is politically conservative. The Acorn, 283 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: on the other side, is as we advertise them both 284 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: because I could care less what someone's politics are. That's 285 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: not my job, my personal politics. I'm active politically on 286 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: a personal level. I do not ever, ever ever speak 287 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: politics from the pulpit, with the exception of I will 288 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: always back up Israel no matter what they do, and 289 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: I will call it anti Semites out. But this is 290 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: an example we advertise in the Guardian. And then there 291 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: is a blogger who has a couple thousand followers, who 292 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: is very far on the left, who then says, we 293 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,479 Speaker 1: need to stop all these people who are advertising the Guardian. 294 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: That's on a Friday night, it comes out Friday. That's 295 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: on Friday night, Saturday morning. On her website is tell 296 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: us their address and we'll take care of it. Hashtag 297 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: Caneo Antifa and you can find his address. My address 298 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: is not hard to find out. And Saturday night. At 299 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: one o'clock in the morning, our dog starts parking. I 300 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: look at and there's a car across the street. There's 301 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: a park there's no reason for a car to have 302 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: pulled up with two people. And then they're just sitting there, 303 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: and they're sitting there for about five minutes, and I 304 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: turn them light and the screech off. An hour later 305 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: again the exact same thing, and this time I call 306 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: the police and I come out and they screech off again. 307 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: Same cars, same people. They'd come back to be right 308 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: across from our house. And that was the genesis of 309 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: that action, of that kind of stocking, which I don't 310 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: consider vandalism because they didn't get away with anything because 311 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: we saw them. Came from a blogger and website that 312 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: is people with Jews, it's viewing hate about our synagogue, etc. 313 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: Because we had advertised in the Guardian. 314 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 2: Are you finding, Rabbi, that the hatred toward Jews comes 315 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 2: and goes in waves or do you think it's pretty consistent. 316 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: I think it's an understanding of the history of anti Semitism, 317 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: which is really a virus that mutates. It's a hate 318 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: that mutates. 319 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: You can hear the complete interview with Rabbi Barklay on 320 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 2: the Companion podcast to this program just downloaded on the 321 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. Coming up. A clinical psychologists does hate crime 322 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: risk assessment for Los Angeles County. But first, this is 323 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 2: the KFI New Special Hate Modern Anti Semitism on KFI 324 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 2: AM six forty. 325 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 8: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 326 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 8: six forty. 327 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 2: KFI AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 328 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 2: I'm Steve Gregory and this is the KFI New Special 329 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 2: Hate Modern Anti Semitism. 330 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 3: This program may contain content not suitable for everyone. 331 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 2: Discretion advised. For every hate group that exists, there's a 332 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 2: law enforcement agency keeping an eye on it. Some infiltrate 333 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 2: the groups, others work behind the scenes to help find 334 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: those cells motivated by hate. Doctor Matthew Schumacher is a 335 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: clinical and operational psychologist with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's 336 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: Department's Major Crimes Bureau. He also researches radicalization and threat assessment. 337 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 2: He begins with his view of extremeist I'm in southern California. 338 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 9: The data absolutely tells us that it's a big problem 339 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 9: hate in particular as opposed to radicalization or extremist ideology 340 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 9: is a local problem, right, so it happens on the block, 341 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 9: on the street, in the neighborhood. I think that we're 342 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 9: much much more interested and much more aware that this 343 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 9: is out there as a result of George Floyd and 344 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 9: some of the elements of the Asian American community. 345 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 5: And the kind of China flu stuff. 346 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,719 Speaker 9: We're aware and people have felt much more comfortable speaking 347 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 9: out about the bigotry and bias that they're exposed to. 348 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 9: And as a result, we're asking a lot more, right, 349 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 9: we're asking those questions, and we're having it reported to us, 350 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 9: which is one of the biggest advantages and new things 351 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 9: that we have going on. So on the one hand, 352 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 9: we're going to see numbers go up because we're asking 353 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 9: the question, we're asking it to be reported. I don't 354 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 9: think there's an expert in the United States right now 355 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 9: that doesn't think we're on an at a high point 356 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 9: upward slope, you know what I mean, Perhaps not unlike 357 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 9: other times we've had, you know, racial and ethnic and 358 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 9: cultural conflict in America, but we're definitely at a high point. 359 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 9: And the real question, though, is how does that look 360 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 9: to the person on the streets that's experiencing it, and 361 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 9: how does that play out in our own response of fear. 362 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 9: These groups that they're mostly looking to have outsized influence, 363 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 9: which is one element of say terrorism and influence. But 364 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 9: what they're trying to do is scare people. So it 365 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,239 Speaker 9: doesn't matter how many people get hurt, even if they 366 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 9: were to do a violent attack, It matters how many 367 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 9: people are watching. One of the problems with our media 368 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 9: cycle and with the Internet is that everybody gets to 369 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 9: see it, right, and so their influence as far as 370 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 9: people being aware of these hate based ideologies in these groups, 371 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 9: is very dramatically enhanced. And all you have to do. 372 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 9: Most of these are following like the al Qaeda isis 373 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 9: playbook right. They're recruiting online, they're talking online, they're disseminating 374 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 9: their Belgian hate online, and most of it is not illegal. 375 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 10: You said that groups like the GDL and other groups, 376 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 10: local groups like this, they don't scare you. 377 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 5: What groups scare you? The groups that scare me. 378 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 9: And I mean this is another element of our community 379 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 9: in LA are the ones like the very old and 380 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 9: very prominent right wing militant groups out of Orange County. 381 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 9: We have some of that as far as I can tell, 382 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 9: up in the northern part of La County. But these 383 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 9: folks travel now, right, So Charlottesville was one of the 384 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 9: first eye opening things. These guys are not anymore just 385 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 9: saying hey, you know Santa Monica peer, right, or some 386 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 9: sort of rally in Long Beach. They're not even your 387 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 9: kind of white supremacist type gangs that do the concerts 388 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 9: out in the Inland Empire, right. These are folks that 389 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 9: are going to travel to where the action is, to 390 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 9: where they can have the most influence. That would be Charlotte'sville, 391 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 9: where that would be the Unite the Right rally, that 392 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 9: would be you know, but all of this is very 393 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 9: highly choreographed. It is very much intended to scare us, 394 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 9: and it works, which is part of the problem. 395 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 10: You know, you have an impressive background with military intelligence. 396 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 7: You've got you have. 397 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 10: Security clearances of some of the highest levels. You served overseas, 398 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 10: You've seen a lot of action as both a veteran 399 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 10: military veteran and a psychologist. 400 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 5: But when you're back here. 401 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 10: In the States and then you know you're kind of 402 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 10: down here in southern California, is there the same intensity 403 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 10: with extremism in southern California that you've experienced overseas, or 404 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 10: that you've experienced on a national, federal level or assignment 405 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 10: that way. 406 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 9: I mean, it's an interesting question because, as you noted, 407 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 9: I mean I've been to Somalia, I've been to multiple 408 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 9: different places in Afghanistan and even Iraqan Kurdistan, right, and 409 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 9: most of those places where they're actually an armed conflict 410 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 9: to organize around the ideology. But what's underneath it is 411 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 9: either crime, you know, profit or power. Right, They're like 412 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 9: kind of a little local tribal skirmishes, if that makes sense. 413 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 9: So whatever ideology they wrap it up in at the 414 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 9: time is you know, potentially not relevant or not as 415 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 9: relevant as it is here where it's very much identity politics. Right, 416 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 9: it's weird, like let's say White Lives matter, Right, this 417 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 9: is very local. This is to counter the influence of 418 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 9: Black Lives Matter, and it's a conflict of ideas that 419 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 9: makes sense, just like you know, GDL is is sort 420 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 9: of saying that, you know, all the bad, stereotypical, tough 421 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 9: stuff about the Jewish community. They're trying to get their 422 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 9: disinformation and their hate stuff out to counter the influence 423 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 9: of another group that has a different kind of influence, 424 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 9: done a different way. 425 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 5: Does that make sense? 426 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,959 Speaker 9: So the violence itself, I would say in LA, at 427 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 9: least as far as the everyday stuff. If I looked 428 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 9: at probably ninety percent more of the hate incidents and 429 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 9: hate crimes in LA, it's probably more like get off 430 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 9: my lawn, you know what I mean. It's like somebody 431 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 9: that's got brown skin moved next to somebody with black 432 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 9: skin or white skin, or and they're stepping on each 433 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 9: other's toes, you know what I mean. Someone's had too 434 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 9: much to drink, someone's homeless, someone's in my way. We 435 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 9: had the more, the more flamboyant incidents where someone goes 436 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 9: out of their way to target somebody. You know, you 437 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 9: see those on TV. Somebody breaks into a mosque, somebody 438 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 9: breaks into a. 439 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 5: Temple, right, those are those are pretty rare. 440 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 9: What's not at all rare is, you know, somebody uses 441 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 9: the N word and gets in a fight with somebody. Right. So, 442 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 9: the more targeted what we would call predatory violence, which 443 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 9: is what should scare us, is not super common. The 444 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 9: more reactive stuff that you know, like is kind of 445 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 9: bread and butter for patrol cops. You know, someone's having 446 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 9: a fight, someone's got mental illness, someone's on drugs or intoxicated. 447 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 5: It just adds that extra. 448 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 9: Element for folks that can make it either traumatic or frightening, right, 449 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 9: which is that they don't like, they mean, they hate 450 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 9: who I am, right, or at least that's the way 451 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 9: it appears when these things happen. 452 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 2: You can hear the complete interview with doctor Schumacher on 453 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 2: the Companion podcast to this program just downloaded on the 454 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. Coming up, a principle at a Jewish day 455 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 2: school talks about educating kids while surrounded by armed guards. 456 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 2: But first, this is the KFI News special Hate Modern 457 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 2: Anti Semitism on KFI AM six forty. 458 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 8: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM six. 459 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 2: Forty KFI AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 460 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: This is the KFI News special Hate Modern Anti Semitism. 461 00:26:52,200 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 2: I'm Steve Gregory. A school principle bears a lot of 462 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: responsibility and pressure to keep students in staff safe. But 463 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 2: imagine running a school where the first thing you see 464 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 2: when you drop off your kids is an armed security 465 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: guard at a checkpoint. Brandon Cohen is the head of 466 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 2: school at Browerman Elementary, which is part of the Wilsher 467 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 2: Boulevard Temple in West Los Angeles. One of the challenges 468 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 2: Cohen in his staff face is how to address a 469 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 2: tax on Jewish communities locally and around the world. And 470 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 2: when do his elementary students get introduced to the Holocaust. 471 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 5: We're careful about how we introduce that. 472 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 6: What we really try to do is equip our families 473 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 6: with information on how they can talk to their students, 474 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 6: and then in the early grades, we generally do not 475 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 6: talk to the students about it, and starting in fourth, fifth, 476 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 6: and six we will talk to them about it. 477 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 5: But many times we allow of the students to drive. 478 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 6: Like if they're aware of it or not, because each 479 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 6: family wants to handle these situations differently and we like. 480 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 5: To respect that. 481 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 6: But we do have a curriculum about anti Symitism that 482 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 6: doesn't start till fourth grade. 483 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 10: Fourth grade, and how active are the parents in that curriculum. 484 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 6: They're not a part of the curriculum, and and that's intentional. 485 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 5: We want to you know, obviously they eventually do. 486 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 10: They have to sign off on that because of the 487 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 10: sensitivity and the nature of it. 488 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 6: I I you know, look, I think as a Jewish 489 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 6: Day school families, I think in most cases are they 490 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 6: want to have their children exposed to these issues in 491 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 6: a thoughtful, intentional, deliberate way, which is what we do. 492 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 6: So that being said, you know, whenever we have a 493 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:36,239 Speaker 6: piece of literature that may have you know, violence in 494 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 6: them or you know, touch on things like the Holocaust, 495 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 6: we let them know ahead of time. And there have 496 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 6: been situations where parents have opted their children out of 497 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 6: those pieces and we give them something, you know, alternative 498 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 6: piece of work. But generally speaking, I think this is 499 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 6: what our families want, you know, their their children to 500 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 6: learn and to build their unders standing of what's happened. 501 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 6: And for our families, it helps them build their Jewish 502 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 6: identity as they move on to secondary school and you know, 503 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 6: they'll get exposed to more and more. So this is 504 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 6: like a way of doing it in a very scaffolded 505 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 6: intentional way. 506 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 10: Then when they go on to secondary school, do these 507 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 10: students usually go on to more of a continue on 508 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 10: with a Jewish centric school. 509 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 6: Actually, it's usually only about twenty to twenty five percent 510 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 6: of our graduating class go on to continue with the 511 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 6: Jewish day school education. The other seventy five or eighty 512 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 6: percent go into secular, mostly independent, private schools. So that's 513 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 6: to me part of the importance of what we do 514 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 6: here is that they're building that foundation, building some pride 515 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 6: in their Jewish identity and understanding of the Jewish heritage 516 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 6: as they go into these other secular schools. 517 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 10: You're in such a unique position because you know, you're 518 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 10: helping to develop these young minds. When they get to 519 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 10: that sixth grade level and you say you've incrementally introduced 520 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 10: the more, you know, horrific parts of the reality of 521 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 10: the past and the present. Do you if you were 522 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 10: to sort of encapsulate the definition of hate for the 523 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 10: kids on this campus, what do you think they think 524 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 10: hate is? 525 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 6: You know, I think terms like that are interpreted differently 526 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 6: by different people, but I think, you know, heat is 527 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 6: this is not a word that necessarily us with an 528 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 6: elementary age student, but it's and tipathy toward a group 529 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 6: or an individual based on their identity, which can be religious, 530 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 6: you know, as Jews, but it could be race, ethnicity, heritage, 531 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 6: or anything else. So you know, maybe that's a little 532 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 6: above an elementary age but when. 533 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 10: It gets to that sixth grade level, do you think 534 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 10: they have those sixth graders have based on that scaffolding 535 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 10: approach you talked about, do you think by the time 536 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 10: they hit the sixth grade they have a pretty clear 537 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 10: understanding of how hate exists, what it is, and do 538 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 10: you think you've prepared. 539 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 5: Them for the next step of their life. 540 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 6: So, unfortunately, I do think that they do have a 541 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 6: good understanding of Hey, maybe it's not unfortunate, like that's 542 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 6: part of the world we live in, so they need 543 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 6: to understand that. But I will tell you something as 544 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 6: someone who grew up in Los Angeles, and I think. 545 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 5: It is and like I said before, have two. 546 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 6: Children of my own, there's no doubt that the students 547 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 6: today have a better understanding of that hate is real 548 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 6: and in our community than I think when I was 549 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 6: growing up. And we know our families, Brownman families had 550 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 6: those flyers, the anti Semitic flyers that were put on 551 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 6: driveways several weeks ago. We have families who drove under 552 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 6: the banners that were under the four or five freeway 553 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 6: that were. 554 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 5: Anti Semitic in nature. We know that. 555 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 6: Unfortunately, there's such a young age now, but kids are 556 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 6: on social media and they know what yay is saying 557 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 6: in social media or Kyrie Irving has you know, posted, 558 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 6: and so they understand that as Jewish kids, that there 559 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 6: are people out there who hate them. 560 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 5: And so they have to grow up with that reality. 561 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 6: And I'll be really honest, I'm a grand child of 562 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 6: two Holocaust survivors. I think when I was their age, 563 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 6: I thought the world had changed, that we were in 564 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 6: a different place, and they are not able to feel 565 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 6: that way because it's not true and that we are 566 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 6: in a different place. But I could also say with 567 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 6: great confidence that our students are moving on to their 568 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 6: secondary schools with a very strong sense of who they 569 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 6: are and to be upstanders, and that they have to 570 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 6: voice their their feelings when these kinds of things come up, 571 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 6: that it's not okay, that they are not going to 572 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 6: be okay with it, and it's not okay not just 573 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 6: for them, but when others are being treated in that way, 574 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 6: And that's an important piece of it. We don't want 575 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 6: our students just leaving only focused on the fact that, 576 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 6: you know, if someone hates Jews, that it has to 577 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 6: be addressed. It's when there's hatred against other people based 578 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 6: on whoever they are, that's not okay. And so you know, 579 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 6: and we do actually know that our students are going 580 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 6: to some of these other schools in both their secondary schools, 581 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 6: but even we're hearing about it in college, and they're 582 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 6: taking on leadership roles and making sure. 583 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 5: These issues are being. 584 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 6: Talked about in schools, in the high schools, and in 585 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 6: the colleges where they're going. 586 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 2: You can hear the complete interview with Brandon Kohene just 587 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 2: download the Companion podcast to this program on the iHeartRadio app. 588 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 2: Coming up, we speak with a man who is just 589 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 2: appointed to the President's Holocaust Memorial Council. But first, this 590 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 2: is the KFI News special Hate Modern Anti Semitism on 591 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 2: KFI AM six forty. Time now for a news update. Hey, 592 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 2: you've been listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. You 593 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 2: can always hear the show live on KFI AM six 594 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 2: forty from one to four pm every Monday through Friday, 595 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 2: and of course, anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.