1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Beyond the Beauty is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Bobby Brown. I really wanted to interview 3 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: Makeup by Mario because he's a force. He's so different 4 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: than me, my style, everything. I'm fascinated by his master classes. 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by his talent. I'm fascinated by really his 6 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: story because I've read a lot of stories of where 7 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: he came from, and I'm fascinated of his incredible rise 8 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: to the top of this field. We have a mutual 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: friend and she said, dude, you would love him, and 10 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: you know what, She's right. I love this guy. So 11 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: Mario is Kim Kardashian's makeup artist. He has done every 12 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: celebrity from Katie Perry to Jennifer Lopez to Prianca Chobra. 13 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: I can go on. He's gotten a war. He is 14 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: the genius behind Kim's look for every red carpet, every 15 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: met ball. I'm fascinated by the fact that he has 16 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 1: seven million followers and that he still talks to them. 17 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: People love him. People just love him, and they know 18 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: him not just from being Kim's makeup artists, but from 19 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: being on the show. Mario has this incredible network of 20 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: people that either want to be makeup artist, want to 21 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: be better makeup artists, and just want a piece of 22 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: what he's doing. Everyone wants to look better and feel better. 23 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: When you're a makeup artist, do you understand other makeup artists? 24 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: Here's my conversation with Mario. So I am here today 25 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: with my I'm going to say new friend because I've 26 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: always admired him so much. But first of all, I 27 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: want to make sure I say the last name correct. 28 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: So it's Mario. You all know him by makeup by Mario. 29 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: His last name is, go ahead, Mario. Ahey, okay, all right, 30 00:01:54,480 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: I will try one dead of an okay, dead no Vic? 31 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, Dad Ivanovich? And I didn't you 32 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: did it? You spelled it out. I don't think anyone 33 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: ever says that name. I always just say married makeup 34 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: at Mary or Mario, dr or just Mario. Where is 35 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: that name from? I am Albanian. Well, it's born in America, 36 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: but I still consider myself Albanian first because I was 37 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: I was raised with the Albanian culture. But my parents 38 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: are from Montenegro. That a beautiful place. It is a 39 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: beautiful place, beaches and they have beaches from where my 40 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,839 Speaker 1: dad's side is like the Adriatic Sea, and then where 41 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: my mom's from it's like farm and more farm and country. 42 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: So it's like the best of both. And you grew 43 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: up where in the Bronx, in the Bronx New York. 44 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm a Bronx boy. I'm a Bronx Albanian boy. Well, 45 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: and how many siblings do you have. I'm the youngest 46 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: of four, youngest of four. Okay, so you're the baby, 47 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: all right, we'll now be calling him baby Mario. I 48 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: was always the baby. It's so from funny. I feel 49 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: like I'm not anymore. But I was always the baby. 50 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: And I know from things I've read, because there's so 51 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: many awesome articles on you, how close you are to 52 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: your family. Yes, you all work together, well, not all 53 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: of us. So my sister Marina, who's right after me, 54 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: she's the one that's one that's right after me an age, 55 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: she is sort of the organizer for the master class. 56 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: So she kind of came in and took over my 57 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: master classes when it was a very small thing. You 58 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: know that I had sort of I had never allowed 59 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: anyone into it, and I had never allowed any press 60 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: or cameras or anything, photographers videos. I mean, I kept 61 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: it so sheltered and protected. You know. When I had 62 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: discovered the teaching it, it added something so substantial to 63 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: my life and that I can't even explain. And the 64 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: master classes are going to be ten years I think, yeah, 65 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: and how did you even come up with the idea? 66 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: What happened was after I started working with Kim Kardashian. 67 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: For you guys that have been under a rock, Yes, 68 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: after I met Kim and I started working with her, 69 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: something sort of naturally happened that and that she began 70 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: to post these photos online behind the scenes, like completely innocent, 71 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: like ten years ago, yeah, or well almost twelve years ago, 72 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: and something happened in that people really resonated with it, 73 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: and people were so inspired by like her glam and 74 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: and the fact that she was showing all these like 75 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: cool things like you know, the baking in the powder 76 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: and all those tips and tricks that she loved. She 77 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: wanted to just genuinely show them because she thought it 78 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: was so cool. And was she Kim Kardashian twelve years ago? 79 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: Like did not not not like she she was just 80 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: I think when I met her, she was season season 81 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: one of Keeping Up with the Kardashians, I barely knew 82 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: who she was. I had known the name, but I 83 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: really didn't even fully know what she had looked like 84 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: the first day that I agreed to do the job 85 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: with her. Like for the for this cover in New York, 86 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: we kind of skipped from growing up in the Bronx 87 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: to your master classes. So fill in between. How did 88 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: you even get to meet Kim? Because I know you're 89 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: not classically trained makeup artists. You learned everything on your own? Yeah, well, 90 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: I assisted as well. After high school, I wanted to 91 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: go to college, but basically my dad was like, what 92 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: are you gonna do? I said, well, I want to 93 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: go to Miami because I just felt like I wanted 94 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: to go away from the family. And he said, well, 95 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: absolutely not. He said, we don't have the money for that, 96 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: and and so kind of like to Rebel, I was 97 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: almost now as an adult that when I when I 98 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: look back, I almost feel like I was happy. Even 99 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: though I was mad, I was almost happy because I 100 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, well now I can go find the 101 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: job and like, you know, find something and do something. 102 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: I didn't know at that time what I wanted to do. 103 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: I was almost like creatively frustrated because I was so 104 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: inspired by certain things like symmetry and art and design 105 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: and all the things I didn't have as a child 106 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: growing up. You know, I grew up in a basement apartment. 107 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: There was no beauty, you know what I mean. There 108 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: was no decor, There was none of that stuff, you know, 109 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: there was no beautiful landscaping, nothing, and so all of 110 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: those things. Since I was a little child, I would 111 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: seek that stuff and I would ask my dad to 112 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: drive me to Westchester, you know, because I wanted to 113 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: see the lawns and the flowers. And I would beg 114 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: my mom to take me with her to to clean 115 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: apartments because she did that as a second job. She 116 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: she cleaned the building for Loreal for many many years, 117 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: and then she also did side jobs cleaning people's homes, 118 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: and so nothing excited me more because I wanted to 119 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: go into their homes and I would see all of 120 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: the beauty and the artwork and the design, and I 121 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: would see all of that stuff that was just to 122 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: me was like wow, like you know, one day I'm 123 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: going to have this to mom. You know. After high school, 124 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: I went and with my mom to look for a job, 125 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: and I had gone to all these places like our Mind, 126 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: Next Change, just all the retail stores, thinking I'm just 127 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: going to find a job and I'm gonna have some 128 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: freedom now and you know, no more school. And I 129 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: walked into Sephora. It was a brand new Sephora was 130 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: like the first store I think it is. This was, 131 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: you know, almost twenty years ago. It was two thousand 132 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: and I remember it had revolving doors and it was 133 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: in Rockefeller Center, and you know, we were walking by. 134 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what lured me, and it was almost 135 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: like a force, because I don't remember. At that time, 136 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: I didn't know what Sepphor was. The windows were tinted, 137 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: so I didn't know what was inside. But I went 138 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: through the revolving doors and we went in and there 139 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: was this music and then everyone was wearing these black 140 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: suits with these black gloves, and it smelled so delicious 141 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: to me because I always loved fragrance and wanted fragrance. 142 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: You know, we couldn't really buy and they couldn't buy 143 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: me fragrances, but like, I loved it and I wanted 144 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: it always. And my mom the first thing she said 145 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: when we walked in is no, no, no, no, mommy. 146 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: She goes, no, no, this is not for your mommy, 147 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: she goes, and she turns me around, revolving door to 148 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: pull me, and I said no. I said, I want 149 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: to go in here, and I want to look. I 150 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: want to see you were eighteen at the time. I 151 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: went and I looked around and I went upstairs, I remember, 152 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: and I saw the skincare, and then I saw the fragrances, 153 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: and then I saw the makeup. But really it was 154 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: more initially the fragrance. I think that was sort of 155 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: and the smell of the place, and also how she 156 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: everyone looked in those black suits. I just thought, like, 157 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: I want to be in here. And I applied for 158 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: a job. They never called me back, and so of 159 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: course I was adamant that I had to work there 160 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: and that these people had to give me a chance 161 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: because they don't know, like how you know I'm a 162 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: good person, like they're gonna love me. I'm a hard 163 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: worker because I had been working since I was twelve, 164 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: literally since I was twelve, packing bags and Bronx su 165 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: and restaurants. Basically was financially independent from the age of twelve, 166 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: and I somehow I think I went to the library 167 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: and I found I researched the company Sophora, because I 168 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: kept calling and they wouldn't answer my calls. And I 169 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: found there was a woman named Marie Christine I believe 170 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: her name was. She had blonde hair, and she was 171 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: in France, and somehow I got in touch with her 172 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: and she picked up the phone and I said, my 173 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: name is Mario blah blah and I and I really 174 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: want to work at this store. And I went and 175 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: no one's calling me back, and I just want them 176 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: to give me a chance whatever. And I don't know 177 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: what the hell I said to her, but maybe she's 178 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: it was cute, I don't know. And she said, yeah, 179 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to be in New York next week. And 180 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: she said, we're hiring for a new store. She said, 181 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: maybe you would, You would be good for one of 182 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: the locations. And I went in and never forget it 183 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: was such a big deal. So did you meet her? 184 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: Do you know where she is now? Yes, I asked, recently. 185 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: She still works for the company, but she's in France. Now. 186 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: Does she know that that young boy that she helped 187 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: is now you I'm looking forward to seeing. At that time, 188 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: she was so I mean, she was the epitome to 189 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: me of French glamor and power, and she was you know, 190 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: I remember that when she would come to the stores, 191 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: everyone you know, would be on their best behavior and 192 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: everything had to be perfect and sharp and clean. And 193 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: so to me, she was that figure or intimidating and 194 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: I'd love to see her right now. I went into 195 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: the interview and I put all this cologne on her 196 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: car for our car New York, because that was what 197 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: my dad used. And I had like I opened shirt, 198 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: remember the buttons down like a little Guido, you know, 199 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: because that's what I sort of saw and that's what 200 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,599 Speaker 1: I knew in the bronx, and my hair had a 201 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: lot of gel in it and the eyebrows, and again 202 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: she sort of looked at me, I remember, like kind 203 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: of like a little smirk, and she said, Okay, she said, 204 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: gonna hire you as a fragrance consultant and you're gonna 205 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: go to a training that's gonna be a few days 206 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: in a hotel, blah blah blah. So I went. I 207 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: did that. I was so excited and the first day 208 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: of work that I was on the floor, you know, 209 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 1: excited to sell my fragrance now and thinking, you know, 210 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: because I wanted to learn everything about fragrance. I wanted 211 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: to know what I was talking about, what, you know, 212 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,599 Speaker 1: to know what I was telling the customers. And but 213 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 1: really what they did was they put me at the 214 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: front door too, with the basket and to say welcome 215 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: to this four a hundred times a day to every 216 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: person that walked through me and me and this girl Careina, 217 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: who actually is one of the only ones I'm still 218 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 1: really close with. And one day, you know, actually the 219 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: first day they had at that time, Sappore Collection used 220 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: to have like five hundred different colors of lipstick, and 221 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: they had a specific packaging that all of the colors 222 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: were like so unique. There was yellows and greens and 223 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: blues and everything. And a woman was sort of in 224 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: an end cap because I could pictured exactly where she was, 225 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: right near the entrance, and she said, excuse me, can 226 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: you please help me choose a color? And for one 227 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: second I hesitated, but then I was like no, and 228 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: I went and I went right to her, and I 229 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: was like sure, I think I just like picked the 230 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: color I thought was you know, not obviously not crazy, 231 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: and that I thought was pretty and she tried it 232 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: on and she goes, I love it, she goes things. 233 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how to explain it, but I 234 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: had found in that moment that oh my god, this 235 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna I'm gonna do makeup. 236 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: There was also a thing with like all the makeup 237 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: artis in that store. I sort of looked up to 238 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: them in a way that I you know, I knew 239 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: that they made a little more money than everyone else, 240 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 1: and I knew that they were so cool, and I 241 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: knew that they were fashionable and that, and so I 242 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: wanted to kind of in a sense, be like them. 243 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: But really what it was was me sort of finding 244 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: the my creative outlet of what I didn't know my 245 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: entire life. You know, I thought I was going to 246 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: be a teacher, and that's what all I wanted to be. 247 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 1: You are a teacher, Mark I am, I know, I know, 248 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: and the makeup artist and an educator. Yeah. I feel 249 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: like I can't say I'm officially a teacher until I 250 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: you know, obviously that's something that would make you feel 251 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: good getting a degree. Yeah, yeah, I did go to college, 252 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: by the way, I went after I want to say 253 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: four or five years of working once I had sort 254 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: of moved out of my my parents house and you 255 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: were still so for at the time. No, how long 256 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: did you work, so, Sophora was I want to say 257 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: like a year and a half, two years maybe two years, 258 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: and because I went to another store and then officially 259 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,599 Speaker 1: as a makeup artist once I had been front to 260 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: a makeup artists and then you know, the brands started 261 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: to come to me and recruit me. And Carol shawl 262 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: Rock of Rock Cosmetic. It was not her herself, but 263 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: it was a Pamela who worked with her for years. 264 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: It was one of the early makeup artist founders. Really, 265 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: Carol Shaw was. She was pretty up there in the store, remember, 266 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 1: because when I think back of like where all the 267 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: brands were positioned, I don't think you were in the 268 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: source were department stores. Pamela sort of recruited me and 269 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: I became, i guess unofficially a regional makeup artists for 270 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: the Rock where I went to all of the Sephoras 271 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: in New York City mostly a few days a week, 272 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: and I loved sort of selling makeup as well. I 273 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 1: never looked at that part as as bad because I 274 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: looked at it as you know, I was helping someone. 275 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: You're a guy that has such passion for what you do, 276 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: whatever you do that has to do with makeup. Yeah, 277 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: and I remember when I looked back, there were moments, 278 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: like moments that I can really clearly remember of me 279 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: sort of sell or moments where I got compliments, let's say, 280 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: from the store managers and they be like, whoa this kid, 281 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: Like his sales are insane, you know, because I I 282 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: think I raised the sales for for that company in 283 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: New York by a massive percentage. For me that I 284 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: loved that whole part of it, to the business side 285 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 1: of it because I knew I was helping people, and 286 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: then also the art side of it as well. Well, 287 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: how did you get to California? Well, I live in 288 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: New York. So oh, you never lived in California. No, 289 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 1: I did. I lived in California for three years and 290 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: that was after I met Kim. Like you, so, tell 291 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,599 Speaker 1: me how you met Kim. After retail, I used I 292 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: went sort of fully freelance. I had assisted Billy b 293 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: you know, you know, I assisted Isabel Perez, who is 294 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: the assistant of Frank Cooper and Frank Cooper was like 295 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: to me, like, I mean her work was so amazing, 296 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: you know that that sort of porcelain doll. She's still around. Yeah, yeah, 297 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: she's still working too. She's incredible. So I only met her, 298 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 1: I think once or twice, but Isabel so much of 299 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: the stuff that I still do today is is was 300 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: what I learned with Isabel, and she was so open. 301 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: And Isabel Perez she's just she's She's a Dominican makeup 302 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: artist and she was the first make words to take 303 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: it under her wing. So I met him because of 304 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: a talk for a friend of mine and called me 305 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: and said, hey, can you do this girl named Kim Kardashian. 306 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 1: I really need you for this. You'll be perfect for it. 307 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: Um for a magazine called Social Life. It was like 308 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: Hampton's Magazine or something like that. And I almost said no. 309 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: I had I think. I was working at that time 310 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: two days a week at Fox News doing the anchors 311 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: there for for income, just so like I didn't have 312 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: to stress and worry that I had to pay my bills. 313 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,599 Speaker 1: I was still building my portfolio and I had just 314 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: joined with a new agency who were sort of grooming 315 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: me to become a very elitist makeup. I got with 316 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: this sort of more more I guess fashion agent who 317 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: you know, was sort of trying to groom me and 318 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,599 Speaker 1: and positioned me with very high end photographers. And I 319 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: had started doing some celebrities at that time, Gina Grashaan 320 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,719 Speaker 1: I remember I was working with and and Natasha Beddingfield 321 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: and you know, like artists and actors and and I 322 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: met Kim and what was your style At the time, 323 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: I had assisted Kabuki, who was a very high fashion, 324 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: very very high fashion, and we were on the set 325 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 1: of like all the big fashion campaigns for like every day, 326 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: and I assisted. He was the last person I assisted, 327 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 1: very critical point in my career, I think, because I 328 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: had been yearning and searching from that no one gave 329 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: me a chance in the fashion world because I was 330 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: this little kid from the Bronx, you know. And I 331 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: would go to the agency's desperately trying to assist one 332 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: of the fashion makeup artists, one of the big ones. 333 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: And finally, like Kabuki's agent called me, and it was 334 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 1: the nontraditional way. I didn't go to an agency. I 335 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: had just sent a cold email. Several months later, I 336 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: was standing in a store and his his agent Chuck 337 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: called me and said, Hi, I'm calling for Kabuki. We'd 338 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: like to know if you're available for Italian Vogue tomorrow, 339 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: and I pooped my pants. Basically, my friend Ralphaiel was 340 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: there and I started screaming when I got off the 341 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: phone because I'm like, oh my god, oh my god. 342 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: He finally called. And I did that for two years, 343 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: not full time, just whenever he needed, which was quite often. Now, 344 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: what I learned from him, he couldn't be any more 345 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: different of a make artist. But what I learned from 346 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: him when I took from him, first of all, was 347 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: that he felt He made me feel validated in a 348 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: way that that industry in that world never did. I 349 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: felt a disconnection with that world always and it bothered me. 350 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: And he made me feel accepted in that world and 351 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: valued because I was like, I was a damn good assistant. 352 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: Be like, yeah, I'm sure I was really good. I 353 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: learned the things that I still think about today every 354 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: single day. One of the things that I saw him 355 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: do in products, I saw him use that like, what 356 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: are some of the things you learned, you know, the 357 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: theatrical products, how to cut a crease, like all the 358 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: kids are doing today. And I actually just spoke to 359 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: him recently for the first time in you know, I 360 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: don't know what it was, fifteen years or so, and 361 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: we had a really great conversation. And is he aware 362 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: of what you've become and your successes? I think so 363 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: and asked him that, but you know, he said, he 364 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: said that he was really proud of me. And you know, 365 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: we weren't sure why we had left it off where 366 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: we just stopped talking and stopped working together, but it 367 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: provided me like tremendous closure, you know, and it really 368 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: I never really needed that. It's good to keep your 369 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: mentors in your life. Teachers. Isabelle just we've just recently 370 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: and everything's been changing. It I told you, everything's been 371 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: changing my life recently. And and Isabelle I just recently 372 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: reunited with. I was at my master class of New 373 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: York and I walked on stage and I locked eyes 374 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: with her the second that I to the front of 375 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: the stage and I lost in front of everyone and 376 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: she started crying. And that's so sweet. Well, before I 377 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: go into now, I want to still you know, what 378 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: is it like working with the Kardashians, Because how many 379 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: years have you been with her twelve years. You are 380 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: so well known, you are so well loved, so well respected, 381 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: and you can you know, you're known for creating the 382 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian look an empire. So what is it like? 383 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I can only imagine. I've met her once 384 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: briefly at a fashion show. I don't know her. I 385 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: never met Chris, I don't know any of them. She's 386 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: almost like my little secret guardian angel. I think had 387 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: I not had her, and had had she not come 388 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: into my life, and had there not been that connection 389 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: where she loved my makeup so much for me, Kim 390 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: is let's put it this way, because I've been trying 391 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: to figure this out myself for years exactly and how 392 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: to word it properly and how to put it this 393 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: feeling that I have. And I think that now as 394 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: I'm older and I'm starting to realize everything and how 395 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, I suppressed a lot of stuff my whole 396 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: life because of my culture, and I have held things 397 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: inside and not allowed my real sort of feelings and 398 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: also my real purpose and stuff to to to come out. 399 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: I've just been very guarded and extremely professional too, and 400 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: just always so careful to not be in drama and 401 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: to not you know, Kim Is, we have such a 402 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: similar soul, but she is so the opposite of me 403 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: in the sense that she is so not suppressed, you 404 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: know what I means. She's so comfortable, and she's saying 405 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: she owns her power, and she owns her beauty, and 406 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: she all of those things. But her soul as a 407 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: person is what I connect with, right. She's such a 408 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: good human being and she's such a sweet person. And 409 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: our start in the industry and what sort of she 410 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: did for me was so authentic, and so it was 411 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: literally just her being excited, like, oh my god, I 412 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: love this kid's makeup, and I wanted to put pictures 413 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: on my blog and show all my followers, you know 414 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: what I mean, Because she did have a following back 415 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: then that just was growing day by day that girls 416 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: were obsessed with her body. Had I not had Kim 417 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: to to to have someone so close that you touched 418 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: their face and who doesn't care about the hater, she 419 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: must care about them. But she deals with it. I mean, 420 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't really talk to her about it, 421 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: but she's not one that's going to be phased by 422 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: comments or like care that people are like making negative 423 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: because she's controversial, right, people don't know the real Kim 424 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,959 Speaker 1: obviously to me, you know, and so I'm protective over 425 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: her to a fault and that I don't. I get 426 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: so upset when people say things about her because I 427 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: know the true her. And so it's almost like I 428 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: feel this pressure always too to prove to people that 429 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta prove to people. I gotta show 430 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: them somehow that you feel protective of her like her brother, 431 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: incredibly protective. Yeah, are you as close to the other 432 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: girls or is it really chimis I love? I mean, 433 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: Kim is my girl obviously, but like for me, it's 434 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: it's I'm not close with Kylie and Kendall because they 435 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: were a different generation. They were really really young when 436 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: I started with the family. But like with Courtney, Chloe, 437 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: Kim and the mother, I'm you know Chris, I there's 438 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 1: a certain sort of love there that is really extremely strong. Well, 439 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to ask you about Chris and either 440 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: an how or after, because I'm obsessed with her. I 441 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: just think as a businesswoman, which she has done, is 442 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: I think short of epic? Yeah, you know, it's amazing. 443 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: So and Cam and all of them, to be honest 444 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: with you, are such I've never seen. I don't think 445 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: I'll ever meet people that are more mentally strong and 446 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: stable than them. It showed me in a way that 447 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: it's things are possible, and that things that you maybe 448 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: have never dreamed of are possible. What does your kid 449 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: look like? I've never actually is it changed constantly? How 450 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: do you store your makeup? How much makeup do you have? 451 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: My kids? About pounds is what's what I travel around with. 452 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: And it's heavy the kit, you know. But I am 453 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: a creature of habit and I know what I like 454 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: and I go back always to what I like right. 455 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: How much do you mix and how much do you 456 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: just use it right out of the palette? I mix 457 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: almost everything, almost everything, you know, there's a color that 458 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: in my head or a texture that I'm that I'm envisioning, 459 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: and so I Over the years, obviously with experience, you know, 460 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: I've become better because and and by no means I 461 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: think I'm extremely talented makeup or us by no mo 462 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: for me, it didn't come that quickly, the talent like 463 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: I had to. You know, I grasped really well when 464 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: I was assisting, and I could watch them and I 465 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: could almost I knew what it was they were doing 466 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: and have to tell me. I understood why they moved 467 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: the hand a certain way and understood why the brush 468 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: went on with a certain pressure. And that's why I 469 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: become a better educator, I think as well, and a 470 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: better makeup artist. And how much of your day to 471 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: day is hired makeup artist and how much is it 472 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,239 Speaker 1: on business? Like, how do you kind of split it up? 473 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: That's hard for me. It's a balance that I'm trying 474 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: to still figure out because I don't ever want to 475 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: lose the part of me that is the makeup artists 476 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: that does clients and that makes these women feel beautiful. 477 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: But what has happened over the years with the emergence 478 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: of social media. Initially I I shied away from it. 479 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: I didn't want attention. I didn't want I felt uncomfortable, 480 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: I was insecure, I felt weird speaking in public. I 481 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: didn't want any of that stuff. And with the emergence 482 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: of what we're talking before, with those photos and the 483 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: contouring and all that stuff, you know, something happened and 484 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: it was all of a sudden. I feel like I 485 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: woke up one day. I remember the first day that 486 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: I posted a photo and I was nervous. It was 487 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: just a picture of my face, you know. But um, 488 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: I just remember one day sitting in one of my 489 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: apartments when I was on seventies six Street, and my 490 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: agent calling from the Wall Group and just something about 491 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: the contour Consort King or some brand wanting to hire 492 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: me to fly somewhere to do this event, you know 493 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: where I would be contouring and teaching contour. And I 494 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: started to rebel and I started to tell them like, 495 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to hear the word contour. Don't ever 496 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: call me consort king. Do not allow them to call 497 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: me consoort king. I don't want to be known for that. 498 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to be it's going to ruin my career. 499 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: It's gonna you know what I mean. And it wasn't 500 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: until something clicked and I said, well, wait, they're all 501 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: calling me contort king, so it's out of my control. Now, 502 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: do you contour contour when it's appropriate to do? You 503 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: ever do someone's makeup and not contour all the time? 504 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 1: You do? So I have certain clients where I would 505 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: never even think about it, you know what I mean? 506 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: So what makes you want to contour when someone has 507 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: what it is that type of makeup that inspired me? 508 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: You know that I that was my first look into 509 00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: the makeup where all that when I assisted is a 510 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: bell the process of the transformation for me. But also 511 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: you know, there is a time and a place for that. 512 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: There's a there's a need for that type of makeup. 513 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: Do you think contouring works on day to day makeup 514 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: like walking around the streets? No? Not fully, No, if 515 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: you're not Kim. If you're not, But Kim wouldn't do 516 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: it for that either. I mean, Kim is a celebrity. 517 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: She's she's the most like, heavily full photographed woman in 518 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: the world. And so we're talking about you know, when 519 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: I do Kim's makeup, it is done so precisely. How 520 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: long does it take you to do makeup? They always 521 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: a lot, like two to three hours. But it's not 522 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: just makeup, you know, like you know, she has kids, 523 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: and you know there's things going on and business and 524 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: you know she's getting the hair blown out and so 525 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: all together, it takes like two hours, maybe a little more. 526 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: My team gives me thirty minutes. Okay, guys, for hair, 527 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: for makeup, I'm like, guys, I can't do it. No, 528 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: you can do it for hair and makeup, and you're 529 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: not for hair. Maybe there's a time and a place 530 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: for it. Not everyone knows how to do that makeup. 531 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: And I know how to do that makeup really really well. 532 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: You know, I have to say I never say stuff 533 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: like that, but like I know how to do lamb makeup, 534 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: the chisel, the the transforming makeup. I always tell my 535 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: students it's hard to explain, Bobby, but I always tell 536 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 1: my students I show them the whole thing, the whole 537 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: entire transformation. I let them allow them into my head, 538 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: almost almost like giving them a piece of my soul 539 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: because everything that every time I pick up a brush 540 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: or do something, I make sure that they fully understand. 541 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: And I'm very sensitive to energy. I can almost understand. 542 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: I can almost feel if someone in the room doesn't understand, 543 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: and so I explain it another way until they get that. 544 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: And how many people are in this room when you 545 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: teach your master classes? A lot? But what started with 546 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: sixteen and you know now it's gone up to over 547 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: two thousand per class? But how do how do you 548 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: please two thousand people? Learning? And and your things sell 549 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: out as quickly as you put them out. It's something 550 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: that grew naturally and authentically, something that I even tried 551 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: to hinder the growth of that. I tried to stop, 552 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: you know, I would kind of cap it at you know. 553 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: I remember at one point before my sister came along, 554 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: I was capping it at one people Big because I 555 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: get a venue from one hundred seats, and I'd say, 556 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: that's it. I was doing it all myself, the sponsors 557 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: and getting the gift bags and the you know, going 558 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: crazy basically, And why wouldn't you do a digital masterclass. 559 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: I haven't figured out yet the way to do that. 560 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: And to be honest, Bobby, I could do that, and 561 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: I could probably take a break for a little while 562 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: because it would it would reach a lot of people 563 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: that are not able to come to these classes. And 564 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: there have been investment firms and people for years trying 565 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: to get me to do this, and I just won't 566 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: because I haven't figured out a way that I could 567 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: truly teach right now. I can only do it fully 568 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: to know that they actually have understood it in person, 569 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: because I feel it. I don't think I've ever heard 570 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: a bad word about you I have to say, like 571 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: from industry sources, not a not a bad word, you know, 572 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: and trust me, when people are Prima Donna's, you know, 573 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: it's easy to get caught up in this in this world, Bobby. 574 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: I almost thought today when I was in the gym, 575 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: I was wondering, like, have I ever gotten caught up? 576 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: Like had I ever actually gotten caught up? Where I 577 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: lost sight of what the purposes in life? And I 578 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: think I did at one point. I when I I 579 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: thought about this time when I I did that show 580 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: Glam Masters with with Kim you know, she was the 581 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: executive producer and she put me on it, so I 582 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: felt totally confident going on it because it was her show. 583 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: I just remember like stressing and and and and being 584 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: so insane and crazy about having a spray tan and 585 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: having the hair without one hair out of place, and 586 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: losing weight and making sure my clothes were perfect. And 587 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: I was so stiff on that show. When I think 588 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: now and I look at it, it's almost comical of 589 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: like what a disaster to me? When I look at it, 590 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: I mean, people loved it because they were like, oh 591 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: my god, I think I got caught up maybe around 592 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: that time and that I was like thinking too much 593 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: about all these things that right now, this moment sitting 594 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: here with you, like I don't give a ship about 595 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: There's something really amazing that happens when a person becomes 596 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: comfortable in their own skin. Every single person out there. 597 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: At some point hopefully we'll figure that out. What is 598 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: it about that whole glam makeup and the contouring and 599 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: all that stuff. It's always help make ports. Is important 600 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: to know how to do it, and it's gonna make 601 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: you a stronger artist. You know how to do it, more, 602 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: more strong. But what is it with you that you 603 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: I feel like you have a change. Oh I do? 604 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: I do? And I've been very vocal about you know, 605 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: you don't need to contour. I mean, my audience are 606 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: real women. My audience are not the people going on 607 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: the red carpet. My audience has always been, you know, 608 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: the woman that gets up in the morning's got kids 609 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: and has to get to work, and maybe she has 610 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: a party at night, and she takes good care of herself. 611 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: She has really good skin, doesn't That's like always been 612 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: the Bobby person. So no, when they're like should I contour? Well, 613 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: if you're going to contour, you're gonna look like give 614 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: dirt on your face because it's not gonna look good. 615 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: And also, I'm you know, my thing has always been 616 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: like when I was in middle school, I never thought 617 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: I was pretty. I never thought it was smart. I 618 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: never thought I was all of these things that my 619 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: friends were, and I really had bad self esteem about 620 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,959 Speaker 1: the way I looked. So when I would do my makeup, 621 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: and my first time I ever had my makeup done, 622 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: someone did my makeup and they said, let me show 623 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: you how I can contour your nose because your nose 624 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: is too big, and I had brown lines down my 625 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: nose and I felt bad about my nose. Let me 626 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: show you how to play up your eyes because your 627 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: eyes are really small, and she did that not very well. 628 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: I felt, my eyes are bad and your skin is 629 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: too yellow, so let me show you your cheeks are 630 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,479 Speaker 1: to this your lips, and I literally was made up 631 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: and I looked awful and not myself. The fact that 632 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,719 Speaker 1: someone was telling me what was wrong with me. When 633 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: when I washed my face, I was like, I was 634 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: pretty cute, you know, seventh grade or whatever, high school, 635 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: whatever I was. I'm like, I looked like Ally McGraw. 636 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: You know it wasn't my look. My mission in life 637 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: is to help people feel good about who they are. 638 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: It's not an anti contour the way you contour your women. 639 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: It's an anti contour the way I was contoured, in 640 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: the way that I see other women feeling bad about themselves, 641 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: the way I approach it, I mean, that's interesting and 642 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: and but I love that you you know, you're stuck 643 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: to that and you and that is your philosophy and 644 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: that is your and I respect that you are adamant 645 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: about it. I don't know any better. I would love 646 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: you to teach me how to contour. Honestly. I would 647 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: literally love to come as a guest to your master. Seriously. 648 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, a one on one wouldn't be 649 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: bad either, But I would love I mean, I'm a 650 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: makeup artist about this. If I launched the YouTube, then 651 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: we have to do a video. Now, I would love 652 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 1: my channel. I would love to. So when I approach 653 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: it is this is how I approach it. In the class, 654 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: is that I always tell them right before I begin, because, 655 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, when I started being called 656 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: the contaking and all that stuff, I only really contract 657 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: with the bronze at that time, it was just to 658 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: add warm, but I do that anyways. I do that 659 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: when I do makeup. I take my which is kind 660 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: of a pinky tone bronzer on me because I have 661 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: very yellow skin, and I use it and I kind 662 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: of gently put it everywhere and put a little bit 663 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: more uncertain. I'm not contouring, but I'm kind of creating 664 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: how the skin should look. And it's hard to teach 665 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: other makeup artists how to do that. I've not been successful. Yeah, 666 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: it is hard. It's hard, but it's important for you, 667 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: for all of you artists to know how to contour 668 00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 1: and to know how to do it correctly. But it's 669 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: more important. I always say that you know when not 670 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: to contour. And this I also started to realize recently 671 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: because when I think back on my career and how 672 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: everything happened, I guess I feel a little responsibility with 673 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: you know, with Kim that we put this look out there, right, 674 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: But what happened after that was it quickly took its 675 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: a life of its own, and you know, the brands 676 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: and the retailers and everyone started to you know, it 677 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: literally created like probably a billion dollar categories, you know 678 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: what I mean. The second I left the brand, they 679 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,479 Speaker 1: started putting contour on every single palette because I wouldn't 680 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: let it happen when I was there. I loved that. 681 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: I got talked to you about all that stuff. Yeah, 682 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: So I think what happened was it started to have 683 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: a life of its own and people almost started to 684 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: do it for like a shock factor, and people started 685 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: to do it. It's so extreme to where it was, 686 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of times a lot of times comical. 687 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: You know, her look has evolved and your makeup is 688 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: probably evolved since the beginning. When you saw the line 689 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: on the pencil, like I never I never used to 690 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: do the line on the lip. Now we actually do it. 691 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: She likes it. Now I use her lip liners. I 692 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: like them. Yeah. And I bought the Shimmer palette. I like. 693 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: But I have to have the lightest hand because it's 694 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: really high intense for real for daylight. But I I 695 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: love it. Four colors, yeah, a little with a little 696 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: more strug And it's honestly the most fun I'm having 697 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: is using everyone's makeup, because for years when I was 698 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: at the brand, I only used mine. I always find 699 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: that it's so inspiring. When I introduced new makeup into 700 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: the kid because I get stuck on the same things 701 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: a lot. But like you know, it really inspires me 702 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: and I do these different things. I was telling my assistant, 703 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: I said, I hired you because I felt that you would, 704 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, sort of come in here and put all 705 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: this new stuff in my kids. Because I get all 706 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: these packages every day. I'm like, I think, I just 707 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: want to have bags on the table, but I want 708 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: to turn around. I don't want you to hand me things. 709 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: I want to turn around. I want to look at 710 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: my bag and pick yes, yes, yes, I get it. 711 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: Trust me. That was the best thing that happened because 712 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: when I used to do shoots, I used to have 713 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: like five makeup artists assisting, and now I have sometimes 714 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: I have one person. I started doing it even by myself. 715 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: So there's Mario the makeup artist, Mario the businessman, Mario 716 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: the sun. How does Mario the per person process, Like, 717 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: what's your technique when you need to just like take 718 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: it down a match. I'm trying to figure that out, Bobby. 719 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: I've been very, very bad at that because of the 720 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: amount that I travel in my career, because for example, 721 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: I live in New York and Kim lives in l A. 722 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: And so because I do all these other things and projects, 723 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: and I'm and I'm working on all these things for 724 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: the future, and I try to be there so much, 725 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: you know, as much as I can to be there 726 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: for her because I know that I think, I think 727 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: in my mind that it provides her some sort of comfort, happiness, 728 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, being there for her. And so I get 729 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: exhausted because I'm getting old, you know, not old, but 730 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: I am getting old. I'm getting old. Yeah, And so 731 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: I've been sort of struggling a lot with letting go 732 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: a little bit, not being such a control freak and 733 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: and delegating more things to people without me having to 734 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: be involved. And even on my way here this morning, 735 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: it's crazy that we're doing this conversation because it's like 736 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: so much happened this morning, you know. I looked at Mitch, 737 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: the assistant. I said, you know what, Mitch, I want 738 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: to be taking off of all these emails. I said, 739 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: just I'm just gonna let it up, to leave it 740 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: up to you in Ta Fonda, and I said, I 741 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: don't want to have to, you know, oversee every single 742 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: thing of the things that I don't need to be 743 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: looking at another thing happened today which I would have 744 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,479 Speaker 1: never talked about this ever in my life, but I'm 745 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: going to just talk about it. I had an appointment 746 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: today for scheduled for I think it was two or 747 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: three for my you know, basically, they pressed this all 748 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: these needles in your face and they puts little tiny 749 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: amounts of filler and botox and vitamins and all that stuff. 750 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: And I don't know what. It was causing stress because 751 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: I couldn't have to I couldn't find the time to 752 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: go and to make the appointment. And this morning I 753 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: look at the calendar and I'm you know, I see 754 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: that appointment and I just like started texting the woman 755 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: and I just wrote her this long thing and I 756 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: sounded probably like a crazy person, and I said, you 757 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,959 Speaker 1: know what, Laura, I said, I don't want to come 758 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: in today. I said, I realized it's not going to 759 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: make a difference if I do or not. I'm not 760 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: sure why I'm trying to go. And oh, because I 761 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: received that honor from the influence rewards from her artists achievement, 762 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: and so I was thinking like automatically, well I have 763 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: to do this and I have to get my face 764 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: and I have to my hair. And I realized this morning. 765 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't give a down no one and 766 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: no one's gonna notice that you did it or not. 767 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: But and you know what, you just you're overscheduled right now. 768 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: I've been there, I've done it. I get it, and 769 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: you just need to like nurture yourself. But this is 770 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: the start, so you know. I I realized that. I 771 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: told her, I said, it looks amazing, though I might 772 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: have to ask you for who you see, but she's 773 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: amazing Laura Dier and she yeah, And I realized, like, 774 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: you know what, I'd rather be home and laying on 775 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: the bed at that time because I have I have 776 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: like two hours and just sort of like working on 777 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,719 Speaker 1: something that I love or or you know, catching up 778 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: a little bit eating and not rushing and being in person. 779 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: You might feel tired, but you don't look it and 780 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: you actually look really healthy. How do you take care 781 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: of yourself and what kind of diet and what do 782 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: you eat? I have my days that I I give 783 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: up and I eat you know, fries and things like that. 784 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: But you know, to be honest, I when I'm in 785 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: the hotel, I'll order chicken salad you know, when I'm home, 786 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: I have my spots that I order from, a creature 787 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: of habit if I don't have to be somewhere, I 788 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: don't leave within a three block radius of my home. Ever, 789 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,719 Speaker 1: I order from a place called Muscle Grill when I'm 790 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: feeling like I want to have a wrap. You know, 791 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: that's healthy. But I've been more conscious to eat clean. 792 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: The only time I really like let loose and eat 793 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: whatever is when I go to my mom's home, when 794 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: she cooks for me and stuff. That's when I sort 795 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: of I don't even question. It's just the culture that 796 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: I miss and that I crave, and it's the you know, 797 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: the groundedness that I feel about home. None of this 798 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: stuff I always referred to as this stuff, you know, 799 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: the Instagram, the followers, and the monetary things and all that, like, 800 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: none of that exists when I'm in the presence of 801 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: my family and my mom. I love that feeling of 802 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: just not having to worry about any of it. It's 803 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: been the only time that I felt so grounded in 804 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: one with the earth itself. Um But I've been again 805 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: recently feeling that now, not just at my mom's house 806 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: but just in general. I do feel fully like a 807 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: fully grown man who knows what he wants and who 808 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: knows what he deserves, and you know, who knows what 809 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: he stands for. I'm really fascinated about Mario in the 810 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: next five years. Do you have any visions because I 811 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: kind of do. Here's the deal. I don't talk about 812 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: it much, and it's always and I think it comes 813 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: from this fear of like, oh my God, is someone 814 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: going to mess it up for me. I'll tell you 815 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: a story when I went into sepphor Right and I 816 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: knew that my mom didn't want me to do that job, 817 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: and I knew she was going to be embarrassed to me. 818 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,280 Speaker 1: Before I had finally made that decision of like, Okay, 819 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: this is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna take it seriously. 820 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the Library'm gonna research everything I 821 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, know everything I need to know, and do 822 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: every step that I need to take to be In 823 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 1: my mind, it was just successful. That's all I knew 824 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: back then was that it had to be successful to 825 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: show mom. And I looked around the store and I 826 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: saw the names, you know, Vincent Longo and Steelyn. It 827 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 1: was a moment where I locked eyes and I sort 828 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: of had an aha moment that Okay, that is my chance. 829 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: That is how I'm going to do it. I'm gonna 830 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 1: show mom by doing that. And so I worked for 831 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 1: twenty years to make sure that that I earned that, 832 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: and then I feel deserving to do something like that, 833 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: because that's a big deal to me, to put you know, 834 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: my my name on product and to put it into 835 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: stores around the world and around the country. That to 836 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 1: me is something I do not take lightly. And I 837 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: want to make sure that when I do that that 838 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: whoever is buying it, or whoever is thinking about buying 839 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to ever question or go to YouTube 840 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: to get a review from someone, because I want them 841 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 1: to be ashore and to trust that I did the 842 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: work for them and that I'm giving them something that 843 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: is the very very very best quality. For me, I 844 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,879 Speaker 1: could not do that unless I had at least twenty 845 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: years of experience as a working artist. I'm on my 846 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: nineteenth year right now. A few years ago I did 847 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: begin to slowly learn by myself calling cold calling the 848 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,439 Speaker 1: labs and manufacturers and walking in meeting people to learn 849 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: everything that there was that I had to learn about 850 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: this to make sure I wasn't doing things blindly. I'd 851 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 1: been offered starting seven or eight years ago, really big 852 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: deals and really like lots of money to do things, 853 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: and you know, I knew in my heart I wasn't 854 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: gonna do them, And thank god I didn't, Bobby, because 855 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: I wasn't ready. I don't know what I know now. 856 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: I didn't know back then. When I know now, what 857 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: I'm learning now and what I'm knowing just naturally right 858 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: now at this age is life changing for me. And 859 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: it's it has given all of this the meaning, like 860 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: the pure meaning and purpose and none of it is 861 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: really monetary, and none of it is you know, it's 862 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: it's about something way deeper than that. But I'm bursting. 863 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: I'm bursting inside because I have been planning and I 864 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 1: have been dreaming about, you know, doing something, and it 865 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: might happen. We will all stay tuned to that. But 866 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: my last thing is, we have a speed round number one, 867 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: what's your skincare routine? New Gina face wash, and then 868 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: I mixed between Taucha A Supple Supple cream or Dowey 869 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: skin cream. I have this new cream Augustine me too. 870 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: I bought it's so funny. I brought you on. I 871 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 1: brought you on. I just requested a few of them 872 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: because I am me too, and I asked for a 873 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: bunch so I can give to my you know, my 874 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,839 Speaker 1: friends that I thought I haven't. I I never get 875 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: excited up here about packages, But like, if it's something 876 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: that's something that I know, what was the last thing 877 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: you ate? A protein bar right here in your studio? 878 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: What makeup item does everyone need? I have to say 879 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: right now because I'm a little biased, but the collap 880 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: that is going to be released soon of Kim and 881 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: I because I worked so hard on that. What is it? 882 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: It's a it's a KKW and Mario part two. It's 883 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: called The Artists and Muse and it's a collection of 884 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: a palette and some lip and cheek products. Cool. No, 885 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: I I have, I have one, so I cannot wait 886 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 1: to see two. Who was the last celebrity that you 887 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: did their makeup? Kim? Probably like two or three days 888 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: ago when I was in l A. And there is 889 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: there any celebrity that you haven't done that you're dying 890 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,800 Speaker 1: to do? You know what I always wanted to do 891 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 1: Michelle Obama so badly. I did her I got to 892 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: do her makeup a couple of times. Yeah, and I 893 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 1: still seem the coolest. You know. I read her book 894 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: a few months ago. And after I read the book 895 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: and it just gave me the herd more to want 896 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: to do her is. I don't know, I have like 897 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: a I'm so proud of her in this weird way, 898 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 1: even though I don't know her. See, I got lucky 899 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: once or twice where she needed someone in between something 900 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: and it was it was it was petrifying, but it 901 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: was really cool, I can imagine. And I had fifteen minutes, 902 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 1: by the way, I didn't I had fifteen minutes. She got. 903 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: It was definitely when the last term, when it was 904 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: she had something in the city, she was coming in 905 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: from d C. She had to get on stage and 906 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: twenty minutes I was like sitting and she goes pretty 907 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: heavy with the makeup. I mean she's fully contoured. She's 908 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: what did you do? I was in a bathroom and 909 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: she came in and I said a low because I 910 00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,959 Speaker 1: had met her before, and she said, I'm really sorry 911 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: for the rush, and I just started throwing things on 912 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: our face and it was and I asked, you know, 913 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: my assistant to take a picture of me in her 914 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: and she did and we didn't check the camera and 915 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: it didn't it was black. But the best picture ever 916 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: taken of me was you. I was at Yahoo Beauty 917 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: and you came in and you took a picture of me, 918 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: and you, I don't know what you did to that thing. 919 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to teach me how to probably out 920 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 1: of me. I probably put one of the bright filter something. 921 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: I was like, I never looked so good in my life. 922 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: So wait, you are you still out there doing makeup? 923 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: I am just out of pure love for me because 924 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: that's what I love. Honestly, if you ask me what 925 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: I wanted, how I want to spend my day, it's 926 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 1: in a studio. And I own a photo studio by 927 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: the way in New Jersey, so we rented out. But 928 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,760 Speaker 1: I constantly have I have a table full of makeup, 929 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: I have clothes and hashtag goals. One of my future 930 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: future goals is that I can do makeup but not 931 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: have to not have to rely on it and depend 932 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: on it to to live. You know, I see myself 933 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: working with Kim forever, but like not for money that 934 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: I just want to do it because it feels like 935 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: home to me because I love to create. But that's 936 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:05,439 Speaker 1: that's awesome. 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