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Speaker 1: Welcome in What a day and sport a night in sports? Huh?

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Speaker 1: Was that good? Or was that good? Man? That's amazing? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got Jason Stewart proved wrong but right, and you

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Speaker 1: try and run a play but it involves a bunt

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Speaker 1: and anti bunt. Guy had a had a great night.

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Speaker 1: Not last night with with the Dodgers hanging out to

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Speaker 1: beat the Phillies, plus the Brewers took a commanding two

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Speaker 1: games done lead on the Cubs. We got to get

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Speaker 1: to that. We had Thursday Night football where the Jaguars, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I said, the Jaguars moved to four and one. Was

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Speaker 1: that Monday Night Football? Sorry, I said, Thursday Football My mistake.

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Speaker 1: Just all the days crammed together. Monday Night football where

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars take down the Chiefs. More issues with the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: But I think we got to start with the story

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Speaker 1: of the day, which is breaking news. You've heard it

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Speaker 1: from Dan Byer, You've heard it here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: Joe Flaco is now a Bengal and in division trade

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Speaker 1: in division trade from a guy who was the starter

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Speaker 1: for the Browns. Then the Browns pulled him. They started

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Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel and now it's Dylan Gabriel and the backup

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Speaker 1: is Shoudure Sanders. Wow.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: The trade has not been confirmed yet, but Adam Shefter

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Speaker 1: did report it. Oh, I'm sorry it should or being

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Speaker 1: two is not confirmed yet. I'm sure they'll bring in

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Speaker 1: an old head, you know, to be part of that

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Speaker 1: that room. But man, is that crazy?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: It's not crazy? It's the Browns. I actually think that

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Speaker 1: should be their slogo, slogan. What do you guys think

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Speaker 1: about that? Right? Like the Raiders is just win baby, huh.

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Speaker 1: For a long time, the Patriots and then the Saints

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Speaker 1: were do your job. What if the Browns said, it's

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Speaker 1: that crazy? It's the Browns? Like, yeah, that that tracks,

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Speaker 1: that really tracks. So Joe Flacco to the Bengals because

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Speaker 1: the Bengals are they have to win. You'll only go

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Speaker 1: get Jay Flaco if you feel like anything's better than

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Speaker 1: what we're throwing out there. Cameron Wolf of the NFL

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Speaker 1: Media is reporting that Shadoor is going to be number two.

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Speaker 1: My guess is they go and get out in the

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Speaker 1: a number three. But that is like, there's never a

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Speaker 1: dull moment with the Browns, a team that there's no

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Speaker 1: reason we should pay attention to, except for they had

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Speaker 1: four quarterbacks. Now they have two, and the two that

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Speaker 1: is now playing for their arch rival, and they're left

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Speaker 1: with Dylan Gabriel and Shadoor Sanders, who I can't tell

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Speaker 1: you what he's done at practice, but you know, up

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Speaker 1: until recently he wasn't even their scout team quarterback. Then

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Speaker 1: of course last week he was doing the miming, you know,

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Speaker 1: Now he's the Backup's that's Lane Kiffen early in his

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Speaker 1: career failing up from Shador Sanders. That's remarkable, that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's not crazy, Sam, It's not crazy.

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Speaker 3: It's Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: It's the Browns.

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Speaker 3: The Browns, it's the Browns.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember an Indivision trade of a starting quarterback

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Speaker 1: the then Washington Redskins. And like, wow, that's an interesting

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Speaker 1: trade you trade Indivision, Like, oh, he's washed up. Everybody

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Speaker 1: knows what Flacco is. I don't think he's washed out,

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Speaker 1: but he's obviously not the player he used to be.

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Speaker 1: But the Bengals are in such desperate need of somebody

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Speaker 1: who can get rid of the football, and they do

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Speaker 1: have some talent there. Think about if your Joe Flacco,

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Speaker 1: you went from having to worry about a rookie third

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Speaker 1: That's failing up as well. That's not that's not bad.

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Speaker 1: It's not bad. Does make sense, but also really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins hasn't been moved now. Part of it is

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Speaker 1: kirk Cousins makes a lot more money than Flaco is

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Speaker 1: Placo does, but Kirk Cousins just sitting there as a backup,

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Speaker 4: Ahead, Yeah, this is This is the interesting thing that

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Speaker 4: who just don't want Jake Browning to throw interceptions.

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Speaker 3: Like the numbers are there.

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Speaker 4: Jamar Chase actually had a good game, maybe a fantasy

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Speaker 4: football perspective, but Chase was at least a factor against

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Speaker 4: ball game. The problem is Jake Browning just keeps on

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Speaker 4: turning over the football. Did it against the Vikings, did

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Speaker 4: a forty year old quarterback who moves even less than

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Speaker 4: Jake Browning and Joe Burrow behind them. And it's one

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Speaker 4: of those deals where you say you do an indivision trade.

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Speaker 4: Why in the world would the Browns want to do

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Speaker 4: of sense. I do think Cincinnati had to make a move.

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Speaker 4: I didn't think the Kirk Cousin scenario was realistic because

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Speaker 4: of the amount of money that Cousins has on his contract,

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Speaker 4: something that you pointed out. But I just don't know

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Speaker 4: just I find it so intriguing because they're sitting there

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Speaker 4: you'd have to wonder why were the Browns willing to

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Speaker 4: do it? And I also don't think that Shador Sanders

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Speaker 4: surprising to me that the Browns would have two rookie

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Speaker 1: If he's the number, if he's the number two. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but here's the thing. To have two rookie quarterbacks is crazy.

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Speaker 1: But as I started by some, it's not crazy.

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Speaker 3: It's the Brons, it's the Browns.

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Speaker 5: But what the.

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Speaker 4: Browns are also saying at this point is a week ago,

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Speaker 4: Shadoor wasn't good enough to be the backup quarterback to

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Speaker 4: I don't necessarily think that that's the case. I think

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Speaker 4: we'll find out officially tomorrow on what they're going to do.

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Speaker 4: But some of the talk about Shadors you pointed out

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Speaker 4: wasn't even doing scout team stuff for them. So now

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Speaker 4: they're going to, you know, have him be a snap

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Speaker 3: I just I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that he's the guaranteed backup at this point.

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Speaker 1: Again, I don't think so either, but it's the Browns,

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Speaker 1: and yes, trading and division generally means you think a

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Speaker 1: guy's washed up. And Flacco is a guy that he

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Speaker 1: didn't hold it as much as Roethlisberger in his prime,

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Speaker 1: But I'm guessing that their thought is, Hey, we just

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Speaker 1: need somebody who's done it, who's been there, done that

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Speaker 1: can be a veteran, you know, can take a leadership role.

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Speaker 1: We have enough talent to be decent.

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Speaker 3: We just.

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Speaker 1: We just had, you know, without Burrow, We're just not

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Speaker 4: I mean, let's let's just say, like you called Arizona

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Speaker 4: and said Jacoby Brissett, But what do you want for

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Speaker 4: Jacoby Brissette.

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Speaker 1: Hasn't he been in Cleveland or since that? He's been

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Speaker 1: better than Joe Flacco?

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Speaker 3: Right now? I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but I do know that Joe Flacco

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Speaker 4: threw six interceptions in four games so far this season

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Speaker 4: And that's what you don't want to do if you're

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Speaker 4: less mobile. I yeah, it shocked me when I saw

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Speaker 1: turn to baseball here real quick, because it deserves it.

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Speaker 1: It was such a good night. The Dodgers up for nothing,

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Speaker 1: gets to four to three, and Dave Roberts did something

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Speaker 1: that So Jay, Dude, take me through the Sasaki Rookie

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Speaker 1: Sazaki and the decision that Dave Roberts made and why

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Speaker 1: it was such a big decision from a guy who's

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Speaker 1: followed every game of the Dodgers this year.

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Speaker 5: Rookie Sasaki is not a closer. There's a different process

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Speaker 5: for getting ready as a reliever than there was a starter.

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Speaker 5: Roki Sasaki takes I guess abnormally long periods of time

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Speaker 5: But then our bullpen blew up, like they do almost

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Speaker 5: every single night leading leading Last night, the blow up

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Speaker 5: Three hits, two runs, no outs for Blake Tryning, Thanks

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Speaker 5: for coming, and then Dave is forced to warm up

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Speaker 5: Sasaki and bring him in for the final out of

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Speaker 5: Tommy Edmon feels a ground ball with a tyn run

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Speaker 5: saved by Freddie Freeman. Dodgers move on but barely, and

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Speaker 1: Zero crazy crazy night. Are are you guys a never

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Remember if we go back before they change the rules

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Speaker 1: seeing people lay down bunds even more. And in that particular, what,

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Speaker 1: Blue Jay stew what's topic today?

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here.

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Speaker 6: Last night, Aaron Judge, Yeah, finally had his moment.

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Speaker 1: Like he's just like the worst human being everone.

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Speaker 5: to the home runoff Eckers. But I mean, how many

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Speaker 5: Hall of Famers could have an actual moment in the

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Speaker 5: paragraph that sums up their career. You know, like Willie

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Speaker 5: Mays is in the Hall of Fame. His signature moment

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Speaker 5: is the nineteen fifty four catch running away from home

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Speaker 5: plate four hundred and twenty five feet from home plate.

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Speaker 5: But that catch is not in the summary of his

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Speaker 5: Hall of Fame career. It's not It is not on

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Speaker 5: the plaque.

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Speaker 9: No oh, in on the plaque in the play, I

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Speaker 9: was actually on TikTok within the last twenty four hours

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Speaker 9: and came upon this Goose Gossage sound bite how the

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Speaker 9: Padres are facing the Tigers in the eighty four World Series,

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Speaker 9: and Gossage is about to be pulled and.

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Speaker 4: Says, no, I've been really really good against this guy.

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Speaker 4: I've really really good. At first pitch, Gibson homers and

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Speaker 4: seals the deal for the Tigers. They win in nineteen

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Speaker 4: eighty four. So for Gibson to have two World Series

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Speaker 4: home runs is even more spectacular. But to start, contrast

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Speaker 4: of how we look at Gibson to what Joe Carter

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Speaker 4: did in winning the World Series, Gibson set the tone

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Speaker 4: Eckersley Game one. Yes, the injury, the dramatics of it,

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Speaker 4: but in the moment, I think it's difficult to top

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Speaker 4: what Joe Carter did into hitting the walk off to

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Speaker 4: win it all.

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Speaker 5: That's absolutely true. So I've always had my theory about this.

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Speaker 5: It's the Hollywood thing because it happened in Hollywood. It's

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Speaker 5: a Hollywood story. It is more magnified. What happened in

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Speaker 5: Philadelphia or Toronto is less significant in the grand scheme

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Speaker 5: of things narrative wise. But you're right, Joe Carter's was

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Speaker 5: the winning home run in a World Series. Kirk Gibson

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Speaker 5: just started the series one h But if you factor

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Speaker 5: in everything, if you like explained it to your grandkids,

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Speaker 5: Eckersley had not walked one batter the entire season, and

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Speaker 5: he walked about it in front of Kirk Gibson. Eckersley's

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Speaker 5: era and his whip were almost zero the entire season.

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Speaker 5: It was a true David and Goliath. The A's had

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Speaker 5: won like one hundred and ten games. The Dodgers were

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Speaker 5: not that great. I think Bob Cossis famously said it's

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Speaker 5: the worst lineup to ever play in a World Series.

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Speaker 5: So when you take that those storylines. It kind of

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Speaker 5: makes sense why Gibson's has kind of tested.

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Speaker 1: The h oh he gonna Hey, do you guys want

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Speaker 1: to hear Mike Trout's greatest postseason moment?

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Speaker 5: Please?

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Speaker 1: I want to hear it again. And I'm an Angel fan.

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Speaker 1: There is one other part of this that we should

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Speaker 1: probably bring up. It's that the reason there's a reason

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Speaker 1: that so many of these guys that were great players,

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Speaker 1: that are Hall of famers don't have these moments because

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Speaker 1: I think those moments actually don't represent who the best

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Speaker 1: players are. Like David Freese had two home runs for

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals in Game six, Game six of the World Series,

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Speaker 1: and they're both down to the last strike. I mean, David

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Speaker 1: Freese his career flamed out afterwards. Like oftentimes, the hitting

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Speaker 1: hero is not the superstar, it's somebody around the superstar.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 1: That's the one thing that that's unique about baseball.

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Speaker 5: Well, the other side of that coin is is that

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Speaker 5: most Hall of famers never even get postseason chances. I mean,

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Speaker 5: how many.

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Speaker 1: Like Croud he got three chances against Kanctate Chiefs, the

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Speaker 1: kans City Worlds, and that's.

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Speaker 5: It correct, And it's like it's a long list of

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Speaker 5: people in the Hall of Fame that never even got

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Speaker 5: a chance for a moment. That's why it's so unique

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Speaker 5: that we're talking about this today. To have a Hall

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Speaker 5: of Fame player have a amazing moment in the postseason,

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Speaker 5: everything has to come together. I mean Reggie Jackson's three

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Speaker 5: home runs in seventy seven and that the game against

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Speaker 5: the Dodgers. Not one moment, but everyone associates Reggie with

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Speaker 5: those three home runs against the Dodgers in Game six

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Speaker 5: of the World Series.

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Speaker 4: I would also say that there's interesting there's names that

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Speaker 4: pop up so like like Indie Chavez on the Mets,

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Speaker 4: Like you think of, you know, robbing the home run

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Speaker 4: in the NLCS, a game that they lost, Okay, like

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Speaker 4: the Cardinals went on to win the World Series, but

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Speaker 4: like that play is one that is still fondly remembered

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Speaker 4: by by many, even Mets fans. Luis Gonzalez, I don't

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Speaker 4: think you think anything but Game seven, two thousand and one,

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Speaker 4: right like uh Edgar Rinteria ninety seven and winning it

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Speaker 4: for the Marlins. There's just names that I think that

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Speaker 4: that pop up and you immediately think of those individual

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Speaker 4: single moments.

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Speaker 1: Fin like Pedro Martinez is probably the best picture of

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Speaker 1: my lifetime.

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Speaker 5: That's what I think.

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Speaker 1: Like I think, I think Pedro Martinez the best picture

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen. I've seen throw baseball. Again, I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't think that means he was and I don't study,

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Speaker 1: but like in terms of dominance of a picture, because

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Speaker 1: he had all the different things. He was a pitcher

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Speaker 1: who also had overwhelming stuff, right, whereas like Maddox was

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Speaker 1: more about pitching as opposed to arm talent. I think

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Speaker 1: Randy Johnson was unbelievably dominant, but a lot of that

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Speaker 1: was just the power size. You know, he could reach

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Speaker 1: halfway to home plate when he's throwing a baseball. Pedro

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Speaker 1: had all of it right, unbelievable movement, multiple pitches, and

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Speaker 1: then great power, great stuff. But his signature moment is

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Speaker 1: probably when he got lit up by the Yankees in

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Speaker 1: three Isn't it? Like he had other moments, but that's

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Speaker 1: He had moments with the Indians when he was in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs where he was the best pitcher in baseball

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Speaker 1: and it was freaky stuff. The Indians just weren't that good,

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Speaker 1: so when he pitched, they won, and when he didn't

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Speaker 1: pitch they didn't. Yeah, does Pedro have another signature moment?

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Speaker 5: No? No, No, Again, you're proving kind of the point of

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Speaker 5: the exercise here. If you can't think of one, he

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Speaker 5: doesn't have.

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Speaker 1: No, I can think of the one I can think

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Speaker 1: of as a negative. That's the thing that Petron I

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Speaker 1: just going back out there in the seventh inning. Grady

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Speaker 1: Little shakes his hand, then tells him he's going back in,

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Speaker 1: goes back in and gets lit up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's his moment, just like Aaron Judge's signature,

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Speaker 5: A moment I think is an Aaron center field but

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Speaker 5: pitched for the Indians, right pro No, he pitched against

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Speaker 5: him a lot.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, No, I was.

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Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, I think that there's one

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Speaker 4: name and io was. Sam brought it up in the

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Speaker 4: break twenty ten that we stand out we lost them

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Speaker 4: too early. But Sam, you mentioned a guy like Roy

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Speaker 4: Halliday who had the uh the no no.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, his sons just throw out the first pitch in

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Speaker 5: Game two. Ryan Berschinger actually helped me.

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Speaker 3: Uh, he came up with that, so I should give

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Speaker 3: him credit for that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, that was but he had a perfect game

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Speaker 4: that year and then throws the no hitter. I mean,

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Speaker 4: and you think of all of that. I mean, they

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Speaker 4: have a postseason no hitter only him.

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Speaker 1: And and at Wainwright game, he pitched incredible. He gave

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Speaker 1: up one run I don't even know if it's earned

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Speaker 1: and lost that game. Well that's the thing, to give

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Speaker 1: up one run to the Cardinals lose, and like nobody

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Speaker 1: even mentioned somebody cares.

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Speaker 5: Well. You talk about starting pitchers, You've mentioned two in

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Speaker 5: this segment, Kershaw and Pedro Martinez. Like, how hard is

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Speaker 5: it to have a signature moment? If you're a starting pitcher,

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Speaker 5: you literally have to do what Roy Halliday did and

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Speaker 5: pitch the entire game. Otherwise, who's gonna remember you striking

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Speaker 5: out the side in the fourth inning of a big game?

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Speaker 5: I mean, Don Larson's perfect game is a perfect example.

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Speaker 5: Larson wasn't a Hall of Famer, but he threw a

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Speaker 5: perfect game in the World Series. It's never happened.

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Speaker 1: And that is the Midway, the Midway.

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Speaker 1: a football Friday, a baseball Friday, an NBA Friday. We

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Speaker 1: got a lot to get to, a lot to get to.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna actually work backwards.

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Speaker 1: Jaycee's like, wait, what, That's not what we planned on.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, give me a second, Jason. So the play

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Speaker 1: of the day actually is gonna trigger the conversation that

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Speaker 1: we want to have to start the show, which is

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Speaker 1: the end of the Dodgers and Phillies series. As we

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Speaker 1: welcome in Dan Byer. You can hear him on Sunday

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. Of course, you got I with

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Speaker 1: Sam and the Steam producer Jason Stewart, who is the

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Speaker 3: Through the room.

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Speaker 5: The O one pitch PA has grounds it back to Kirkery.

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Speaker 6: He can't find it, he tells home.

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Speaker 2: It's why ten stores and the Dodgers are going.

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Speaker 5: To the Championship Series.

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Speaker 9: Fire Works golf in center field.

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Speaker 8: The Dodgers celebrate your first base on a ground.

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Speaker 6: Ballpet to the pitcher.

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Speaker 8: Andy pos somehow gets the job done.

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Speaker 1: Paz gets the somehow gets the job done. We'll get

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Speaker 1: to the play in a second. First, that's the that's

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Speaker 1: AM five seven the LA Sports the Dodgers radio network

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Speaker 1: with the call. Here's the Phillies Radio network with the

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Speaker 1: exact same call.

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Speaker 5: The one swinging a broken back comebacker Kirkering knocks it down, picks.

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Speaker 1: It up, throws why they home to the back stop.

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Speaker 5: And the season is over.

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Speaker 3: The Dodgers rushing out pasted O'rian Kirkering, who stands with

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Speaker 1: So I'll get to what our our group text was,

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Speaker 1: because we probably should have hopped on a call because

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Speaker 1: it was weird. First, here's here's a Ryan Kirkering, who

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Speaker 1: made the this season ending error, had this exchange with reporters.

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Speaker 3: How much do you think you.

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Speaker 8: Can use this kind of in the offseason so you

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Speaker 8: know for good for sure, Yeah the wall with the

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Speaker 8: test wall for sure.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, just kind of keep going with it. Hopefully

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Speaker 2: it started a long career. Just keep the back of

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Speaker 2: my head. It's really ups right now, but hopefully keep

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Speaker 2: pushing on to get over this.

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Speaker 1: If you watch the game, you saw Rob Thompson, who's

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Speaker 1: the manager of the Phillies, grab kirk Kring before he

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Speaker 1: left the field. Here's what he said or he said

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Speaker 1: he said to kirk Kring after the game.

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Speaker 10: Rob, obviously heartbreaking way to lose to get a long

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Speaker 10: conversation with O Ryan coming off the field, Do you

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Speaker 10: want to share little what you told him? Or just

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Speaker 10: to keep his head up. You know, he just got

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Speaker 10: caught up in the moment a little bit coming down

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Speaker 10: the stretcher. He pitched so well for us, and I

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Speaker 10: feel I feel for him because he's he's putting it

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Speaker 10: all on his shoulders. But we went as a team

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Speaker 10: and we lose as the teams.

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Speaker 1: Here's Dave Roberts when he was asked about the final play, what.

656
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Speaker 5: Are your feelings when it comes to Ryan Kirkering right

657
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,959
Speaker 5: now seeing that happen on the other side.

658
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Speaker 11: Oh, it's it's brutal. Obviously they played great defense tonight.

659
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Speaker 11: And you know, it's one of those things, is that

660
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 11: it's it's a it's a PfP, a pictures fielding practice

661
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Speaker 11: and he's done it a thousand times, and you know,

662
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Speaker 11: just right there he was so focused, I'm sure, on

663
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Speaker 11: just getting the hitter and you know, just sort of forgot,

664
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Speaker 11: you know, the outs in the situation. So you know,

665
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Speaker 11: Kirkering is a stud.

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Speaker 1: And do we do we think he forgot the outs

667
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Speaker 1: on the play. I've heard that. I heard Joe Davis

668
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: say that. I've heard it mentioned by people, but even Kirkering,

669
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Speaker 1: in his honesty, he didn't say that. And if you

670
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: watch the play, his body was clearly in position to

671
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: throw the ball at the first he just misplayed it

672
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Speaker 1: and that's when panic set in and he decided to

673
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Speaker 1: go home with a wild throw that it actually wouldn't

674
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Speaker 1: have mattered if it was a good throw, even though

675
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: the runner was would have been safe. He'd missed the plate? Right,

676
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: was that key k a Hernanez missed the plate?

677
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Speaker 5: It was Kim?

678
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Speaker 1: Oh, it was Kim missed the plate. Apologize. So my

679
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Speaker 1: question is, again this is based upon our group text

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Speaker 1: and what you've heard from several people. They believe he

681
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Speaker 1: missed He didn't know there was two outs, even though

682
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Speaker 1: he came in with two outs. I haven't heard him

683
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Speaker 1: say I forgot how many outs there were.

684
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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 5: We have sound of that running it through edit. Right now.

686
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Speaker 5: He explains that it was indeed not that he knew

687
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Speaker 5: it was two outs, that he just under the pressure,

688
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 5: looked home and thought that was the next best play.

689
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 5: After it kicked off his shoe. We had the explanation

690
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 5: it's forthcoming. The Kim missed home plate because nobody in

691
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Speaker 5: the stadium thought that throw was coming home, including Real Muto,

692
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 5: the both dugouts and everybody in the stadium. The last

693
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Speaker 5: thing anyone thought was that there was going to be

694
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Speaker 5: throw home. Kim didn't even think to slot.

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Speaker 1: If we are talking about shouldn't you have had the slide?

696
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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no, not have to you should you should

697
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Speaker 5: slide just to be safe. But that's how remote a

698
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 5: chance he thought the ball was coming home. Nobody in

699
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Speaker 5: the world would have thrown that ball home. It was

700
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Speaker 5: so unordinary. Jeff Francoor in the moment on the live

701
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Speaker 5: broadcast said, first and foremost, he must have lost track

702
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Speaker 5: of outs, because if anybody who knows baseball is watching

703
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Speaker 5: that play, he got it's the only explanation.

704
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Speaker 1: No, I thought the explanation was he bobbled the ball

705
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Speaker 1: and then he then he panicked and went to the

706
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Speaker 1: first available base that he saw.

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Speaker 5: That's his explanation. Yeah, that's correct.

708
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Speaker 1: I think that's a reasonable buyer. You're you're neutral in this.

709
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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 4: I thought that he thought that there was one out

711
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Speaker 4: or no outs at the immediate point until I heard

712
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Speaker 4: his comments of what he said, because it it doesn't

713
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Speaker 4: make any sense, like if you if you knew that

714
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Speaker 4: there was two outs, and why I believe what he said.

715
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Speaker 4: It's just wrong on so many levels to think that

716
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Speaker 4: a guy at third would be the better option after

717
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Speaker 4: having a head start after it just it doesn't make

718
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Speaker 4: any sense. But I thought when the play happened, he

719
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Speaker 4: thought that there were less than two outs.

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Speaker 1: I even said that, here's the here's the full Oriyan

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Speaker 1: Kirkland sound you guys, tell me what you think if I.

722
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Speaker 12: Thought, I just kind of once the pressure got to me,

723
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Speaker 12: I just thought it was a faster throw the JT,

724
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Speaker 12: a little quicker throw than trying to cross body of

725
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Speaker 12: the price, So just throw.

726
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Speaker 5: Yeah, did you did you hear them calling telling you

727
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Speaker 5: to go to first at all? Or were you just

728
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Speaker 5: in the moment that it wasn't even just in a moment? Yeah?

729
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Speaker 7: Can you can you see JT pointing in that moment

730
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Speaker 7: or is it just kind of looking up, just kind

731
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Speaker 7: of looking up, just be ready again finding me a

732
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Speaker 7: lot of guys at RGE and on the first ones there,

733
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Speaker 7: one of the guys say, you even know, keep.

734
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Speaker 3: Your head up.

735
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Speaker 7: It's lost mistake. Just baseball happens, and Grad'll been good

736
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Speaker 7: for a long time. In the comment, it's not my fault,

737
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 7: just that opportunity to score had a converination.

738
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Speaker 5: Rob to put the same footing that.

739
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know about those.

740
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Speaker 2: Guys picking you up so quick means a lot, shows

741
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Speaker 2: they care a lot, means everythings for sure.

742
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Speaker 8: I'm sure a lot of guys in here I've had

743
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 8: moments earlier in their career here that you know, I

744
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 8: think kind of remember very good.

745
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Speaker 10: The the.

746
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Speaker 8: You know, how much do you think you can use

747
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 8: this kind of in the offseason something too? You know

748
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 8: for good for sure? Yeah, the wall with the test

749
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 8: wall for sure.

750
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Speaker 2: But uh yeah, just kind of keep going with it.

751
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Speaker 1: Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sport. Traye, that's all.

752
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: Ryan kirklands that that was his explanation. Again, I I'm

753
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Speaker 1: going to respectfully just disagree with you guys. I agree

754
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: you don't go home there. Everybody knows you go home there.

755
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: But we are sort of diminishing the fact that he

756
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Speaker 1: misplayed the ball. And then that's when Panic said it.

757
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think you're disagreeing with anything. You asked

758
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Speaker 5: what we thought in the moment before the explanation.

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Speaker 1: But now, but now what do you think now? You

760
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Speaker 1: think he didn't he lost track outs?

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Speaker 5: Of course that's his that's what he said. That's his explanation.

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Speaker 3: No, we didn't.

763
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Speaker 1: He just said I lost track outs. He said, no, No,

764
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Speaker 1: I didn't.

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Speaker 5: The pressure. He just said that the pressure got to

766
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Speaker 5: me and I threw home. So I believe him, Yes.

767
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Speaker 1: But he didn't say that he didn't know how many

768
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Speaker 1: outs there were.

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Speaker 5: Never he never said that. That was what we speculated

770
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Speaker 5: in the moment. That's what Jeff said in the moment.

771
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Speaker 1: But you still believe that I didn't know the outs. Okay,

772
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 1: my bad. Okay, well then I missed. I completely misunderstood completely. Okay,

773
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Speaker 1: we're all good. I don't know. I just that's the

774
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 1: magic of sports. This is where I understand. I actually had.

775
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: I had a great conversation with Don Yeger. I have

776
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: a new podcast out. I think it drops today. Jay

777
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: s du knows more about that when it actually drops

778
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: than I do. And Don Jaeger wrote a book called

779
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: The Science of Momentum. And one of the questions I

780
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: asked is, you know, their analytics is such a strong

781
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: part of every business now, every sports franchise, college sports

782
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 1: as well. We use the analytics company all of these things.

783
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Speaker 1: But what the data people will tell you is there's

784
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: no such thing as momentum. Okay, it always, you know,

785
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: regresses to the mean. And that's just those are well,

786
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: you feel like momentum, those are human That the stats,

787
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: the data doesn't lie. It doesn't take in human emotions.

788
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: It just says, hey, based upon all the data we have,

789
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Speaker 1: this is how many times this is successful and this

790
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: is not successful? And the greater the data set, the

791
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: more exact the stats are. And I'm going to tell

792
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: you that last night is the Perfec's an example of

793
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Speaker 1: I'm respectful towards the data. I'm respectful towards analytics. It

794
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: plays a huge factor in how you try and build,

795
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Speaker 1: like a basketball program, a basketball team, how you run offense,

796
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: how you run defense. But at the end of the day,

797
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: there's still human beings out there. And the perfect example

798
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Speaker 1: is he, no matter how young he is, he's played

799
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Speaker 1: a lot of baseball. He's taken he's he's taken the field,

800
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Speaker 1: he knows the play, he's ready to go. He gets

801
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 1: a albeit a broken bat, single right back at him,

802
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: that should be field the ball, throw it first, go

803
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: to the next inning, and because of the pressure of

804
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: the moment, he was likely why he bobbled the ball initially.

805
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: And then the additional pressure and chaos of having the

806
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: bases loaded and a broken bat lay in there and

807
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: the crowd going crazy and the game being on the

808
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: line and him just I just throw it home and

809
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: he freaked out and it looked like little league baseball.

810
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: This is not me telling you that analytics nerds don't

811
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: have a huge place sports and maybe Jason, you and

812
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: I discussed Dave Roberts the decisions they make and how

813
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: much of it is him, how much of it is

814
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: the front office, how much of it is the analytics

815
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 1: department that doesn't have feel data is important, but there's

816
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: always going to be the human element. And a young

817
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: guy had a chance to extend the series or extend

818
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: the game fielding the ball cleanly throw it the first

819
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: he misplays it, and then Butcher's where he should go

820
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: with the ball, and then Butcher the throw and the

821
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Speaker 1: whole thing ends up costing his team the end of

822
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Speaker 1: a game.

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Speaker 5: Credit to him, by the way, credit to him for

824
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Speaker 5: admitting that it's pressure right. Well, first of all, he

825
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 5: took questions and most of the time you just hear

826
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Speaker 5: no excuse, and then you're unfulfilled by like, well why

827
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 5: did you do it? And he actually said the pressure

828
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Speaker 5: got to me. How often do you hear pro athletes.

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Speaker 1: They know that they won't, they won't, and you know

830
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: they'll never say the pressure got to me, and they'll

831
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Speaker 1: never say. I think Chris Bosh was the last one.

832
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Speaker 1: He talked about his first playoff series with Lebron. I

833
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: remember he played poorly, and he was like, look, I'd

834
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Speaker 1: just be honest with you. I wasn't ready for that

835
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Speaker 1: kind of pressure. You know, go ahead, Dan.

836
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Speaker 4: There's a different type of pressure with this though, because

837
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Speaker 4: I do think that kirkering like you can maybe try

838
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Speaker 4: to plan like, isn't the pressure that he's facing is

839
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Speaker 4: to get Pahz out, to strike him out.

840
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Speaker 3: I just walked.

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Speaker 4: I think you walk to Key k Hernanez prior to that.

842
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 4: So the goal is to get him out and then

843
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 4: if you don't strike him out, make sure that you

844
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Speaker 4: can make a play or get him to hit a

845
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Speaker 4: ball that can be fielded. And so even in that

846
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Speaker 4: situation of getting the pressure, he succeeded. He got him

847
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Speaker 4: to hit a ball that could be fielded, and then

848
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Speaker 4: he didn't field it. And that's the part that to

849
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Speaker 4: me is just it's so unpredictable because if he feels

850
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Speaker 4: it cleanly in that scenario, I don't think that but

851
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 4: there's any issue. I just think it's the panic that

852
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 4: happened in that millisecond of what he was saying. But

853
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Speaker 4: because he felt that he bobbled it and that the

854
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 4: runner was coming home, that everything then went into chaos

855
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 4: because how many times had a slow dribbler just come

856
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Speaker 4: back to the mound, and if he knew that there

857
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 4: were two outs, he would know that he would have

858
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 4: all the time in the world. But that millisecond of

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00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 4: just watching the ground ball and him throwing it is

860
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Speaker 4: where the pressure got to him. I don't think it

861
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Speaker 4: got to him on the initial part that we normally

862
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Speaker 4: think of, let's just get this guy out.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, Doug.

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Speaker 5: Remember one we had Matt Holiday on it on Tuesday.

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Speaker 5: You guys specifically talked about this, that it's really tough

866
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Speaker 5: to have short touch throws when that's not your position.

867
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Speaker 5: Pictures for years have struggled with these touch throws. So

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Speaker 5: even the throw to first he would have been pressured

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Speaker 5: to make. But that throw is so unnatural. You're used

870
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 5: to throwing nine five miles an hour home, and now

871
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 5: you have to have some kind of a touch throw

872
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 5: because if he throws it on time, he's out, and

873
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 5: then we're blaming Kim for not sliding right. It's so

874
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 5: Matt Holliday said it. He's like, when you're used to

875
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 5: throwing things at a certain angle for a certain speed,

876
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 5: that touch throw is really tough. So then you add

877
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 5: the pressure of the moment to that touch throw and

878
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 5: it was just chaos and doug in your sport. How

879
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 5: many times do we see maybe in a late second situation,

880
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 5: someone misses shot, get their own rebound and put back

881
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 5: an even worse putback because they weren't necessarily ready for that.

882
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 5: I think we see it in basketball at times too,

883
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 5: Like you miss a shot, Okay, that's pressure, but all

884
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 5: of a sudden you get another chance.

885
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, what do I do? You know, so you

886
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 3: just throw it up.

887
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: All the time you miss it to the timing in

888
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: your head goes so much quicker. Yes, we do this

889
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: all the time. We talk about with players, Hey man,

890
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: every you have a you can dribble with every second,

891
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: like five seconds left. You can take four dribbles and

892
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: get all the way from rim to rim, lay the

893
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: ball in. You're fine, and they're like, and then when

894
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: you get the ball, your your clock just gets sped up.

895
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: And look, a lot of that is experience, And with baseball,

896
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: outside of maybe playing in the college World Series, there's

897
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: just no ability to replicate that that energy, that moment, Like,

898
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: no matter how crazy the environment is att Citizens Bank Ballpark,

899
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: still is that what it is still in Philly. Yeah,

900
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: I think so, no matter how crazy that environment is

901
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: for a regular season game or even a postseason game,

902
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 1: whatever series, season on the line, bases loaded, two outs,

903
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: bottom of the eleventh inning, Like, you can't replicate that

904
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: till next.

905
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 3: Year Dodger Stadium. Yeah, nothing you can do.

906
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: And so guys can be the coolest there is. I mean,

907
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: we're playing an exhibition game tomorrow night, right, Why Look,

908
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: we can't replicate We're playing Kansas No. Umber three, fourteen

909
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: thousand people, if not the best coach in the country,

910
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: is any conversation unbelievable athletes. The number one draft pick

911
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: this year is going to be Darren Peterson. Like, it's crazy.

912
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 1: So we're just trying to replicate on some level what

913
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: the bodies and physicality are. But we can't replicate fourteen

914
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: thousand people streaming whatever I feel bad for We've talked

915
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: about this. Baseball has two completely different seasons, and Philadelphia

916
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 1: is great fans, they'll have great energy, they'll be series

917
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: in the year when they play the Mets and it'll

918
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: be a zoo. But there's you can't replicate last night,

919
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: and the kid does it has until next year to

920
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 1: figure out if he can make that same play next year,

921
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: and even then we don't know until it happens. But yeah,

922
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Speaker 1: I completely agree with Dan, Like, that's the that's the

923
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: amazing thing about pitching is all you're thinking about, right,

924
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: And I'm sure part of it is. He's like, he

925
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: just walked key k here nann. He's like, fuck, that's

926
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: still you gotta like process, okay to wrote out, Okay,

927
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: now what's my approach? And all of a sudden, this

928
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: ball comes back at you and you bobble it and oh, fudge,

929
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: only you didn't say fudge. Gosh. I love Fall baseball.

930
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: I love October baseball.