1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Wednesday edition of Texans All Access 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: from Nonday Texans Radio Studio. It's John and it's Mark. 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna have a little in the lab with Drew 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: a little later in the show. We're also gonna learn 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: about a wide receiver who played three quarters of one game. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: He's one of the most polarizing wide receiver prospects in 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty NFL Draft, and there have been a 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of people out there, a lot 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: of analysts that have in some way, shape or form 10 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: mocked this player to the Texans, sometimes not so much 11 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: at twelve, but a lot of times at number thirty 12 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: three or thirty four. I don't know how they're numbering 13 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: them in the second round with the pick that Miami 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: four fitted, but either way, we're gonna learn a lot 15 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: about Jackson Smith and Jigba a little later in the show. 16 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: But Mark, we tonight are gonna start with a position breakdown. 17 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: We're gonna one of these a week. Last week we 18 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: did secondary. This week it's running backs. Let's go Okay, 19 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: we got a good one. I know this, so I'm 20 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: gonna start there well with this thought, what team ran 21 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: for more yards per game twenty twenty one Texans twenty 22 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: twenty two Texans. This is a trick question. It is 23 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 1: a trick question. You're gonna tell me it's the twenty 24 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: twenty one Texans. I'm telling you to take your pick, 25 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: take your pay it because you set it up that way. 26 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna say there's a disclaimer here. No, no, no no, no, 27 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: I want you to tell me which team ran for 28 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: more yards? About looking to tell me which team ran 29 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: from more yards twenty twenty two, twenty twenty two or 30 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one two? You're correct, twenty twenty two. Is 31 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: that team you saw a long yard? No? But I 32 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: was thinking, wait, what am I doing here? I know 33 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: these numbers, but you just had me second guessing myself. 34 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: I know, but I think it goes to a point 35 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: because that's where I started with this. When I was 36 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: writing about the position breakdown, and I start with each position. 37 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: My first thought is, Okay, twenty twenty two, how was it? 38 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: And my gut told me, oh, we were much We 39 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: were much better per game than in twenty twenty two. 40 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: Not really, in twenty twenty one we ran for eighty 41 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: four yards a game. No, listen, none, of these numbers 42 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: are gonna be shattering, so just hang on. Okay, eighty 43 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: four yards per game in twenty twenty one. We ran 44 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: for eighty seven yards per game in twenty twenty two, 45 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: so you were correct twenty twenty two. But didn't it 46 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: just feel like we ran the ball better because Damien 47 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: was there? Yeah, because you did. Most of the time, 48 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: you ran the ball better. Now, Damian got hurt and 49 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,679 Speaker 1: early on Damien wasn't used enough opening day. We all 50 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: remember that correct. Too many gives to the wrong guy, 51 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: and he's a good guy. But look, Damian Pierce needs 52 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: the football. We all learned that along the way, especially 53 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: on this team. He needs the football. And then you 54 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: saw some things like a good runs the ball pretty well, 55 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: and even Royce later in the season gave you a 56 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: little bit of pop from time to time. But you've 57 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: got to have Damian Pierce. And we're doing this segment 58 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: because what else is out there? Right? Free agents and 59 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: the draft. There are some attractive prospects out there for 60 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: this team. What are they gonna do? They're gonna do 61 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: some things because look, you have free agents, you're not 62 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: gonna have the same stable of running backs, and you 63 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: need to improve. We all know it, and you need 64 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: to build around Damian Pierce. Okay, glad you brought that up, 65 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: because what's in the stable right now, Well, there are 66 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: four running backs in the stable as we speak. We 67 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: know what Damian Pierce. He was fantastic. He didn't get 68 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: the thousand yards because of the injury. He also had 69 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: a game against the Washington Commanders where he didn't do 70 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: anything because he just got completely bottled up. The same 71 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: thing against the Titans. Both games that those two back 72 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: to back. I believe I exonerate him. It was Yeah, 73 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: Daria Goomboala is back. He is under contract for the 74 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three season. Excellent. I like that. I like 75 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: having having Daria Gomboala back. Here's another guy, And I'm 76 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: very curious your thoughts on Darius jet Anderson coming back 77 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: off injury. I think you have to have a look 78 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: at him. We wanted to remember he got hurt and 79 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: we saw him a little bit during training camp and thought, hmm, interesting, 80 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: let's go. But you weren't able to see it. So 81 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: he'll be back. You'll see some things. Maybe they decide no, 82 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna bring another prospects. But I do believe that 83 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: you'll get a look at him and see if he 84 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: can bring something to the table when he's healthy this year. 85 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: And that's the thing, is he where is the health wise? 86 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: Has the injury taken away any of that speed? I 87 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: mean his name, his nickname is Jet By God, he 88 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: can run. There's no doubt about that. So it's just 89 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: a matter of what did the injury take away from him? 90 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: And how does he fit into me? If I'm thinking 91 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: about the names that have been rumored as O see, 92 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: I mean, look it's out there. Sources of said. Bobby 93 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: Slowik is the offensive coordinator on this offense. And if 94 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: you're thinking it's gonna have a look like it did 95 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: in San Francisco, probably so. And if so, Darius Anderson 96 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: might be a decent fit in that particular offense. The 97 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: fourth running back is actually fullback Troy Hairston. Yeah, who 98 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: is not Kyle Juice. Check us check he's not him. 99 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: He's a different type. He's more like a garden backfield. 100 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: But I do think that Troy could evolve into not 101 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: what what you check is you check is a He's 102 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: he's a different type. He's not really a fullback. He's 103 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: an all world type player at his spot, Johnny at 104 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: his position. He's a very useful effective player as a fullback, 105 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: age back, whatever he is, however he wanted to find him. 106 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this about Harriston. He's only gonna get better. 107 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: Oh right. He's got the work ethic. I see him 108 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: around here all the time, all the time. Yeah, and 109 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: he has the drive to succeed. Now, who knows where 110 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: it takes him. Is it gonna be enough? We'll see. 111 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: But he's got great football ability, you know, moving over 112 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: from the defensive side. You know, he loves to hit people. 113 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: That's a good thing. And you know he can catch too. 114 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: He can catch, and maybe he gets a chance to 115 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: do more in the offense. The way slow it's going 116 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: to set it up. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, So those are 117 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: the four coming back. Two players that are unrestricted free agents, 118 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: Rex Burkhead, Royce Freeman. Don't know what that's going to 119 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: mean for those two. I would imagine the Texas girl 120 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: like a running back. So let's go beyond that. So 121 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: they've got the three tailbacks, one fullback in the stead 122 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: right now, and we're talking about ninety van roster here. 123 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: We know they're gonna chop it down. We're not talking 124 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: about labor day moves here. Maybe guys who could to 125 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: help you beyond labor Day, yes please, but just building 126 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: that ninety man roster to see what you've gotten. Shuffled 127 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: the deck and see how it plays out. Available unrestricted 128 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: free agents and I put in all caps and bolded 129 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: that make sense. And this is my point when it 130 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: comes to free agency across the board, it has to 131 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: make sense. And I go back to a phrase that 132 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: Nick Kissario has used, and it's a financial phrase, but 133 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: it applies here, and it's called supplying demand. I think 134 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: you look at the draft and you say, okay, what's 135 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: available in the draft? Because the draft is, let's just 136 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: say it, it's cheap labor, at least through the first 137 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: three or four years. It's cheap labor. It's cheaper more 138 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: than likely than what you're gonna get on the open market, 139 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: but also inexperienced and you need time to develop it. 140 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: And you're right, very often you're right. So pros and 141 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: cons of sticking with the draft. Yeah, I think, especially 142 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: running back, you might be more prone to think younger. 143 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: But you know, who's to say you would like to 144 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: have some experience in the room. You do have Daria Gumbuali, 145 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: who's been around, He's seen some things. He's the o gene. 146 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: Now Damian Pierce going to year two. So even if 147 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: you're bringing a young guy or two, you're gonna have 148 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: some some vets in there that can kind of lead 149 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: those guys. I'd like that. So when I went with 150 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: free agents, that made sense. Mark, Here's where I came 151 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: up with. Here's the here's the essentially the style of 152 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: back that I came up with. One I looked, I 153 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: looked younger. Now most of these guys are twenty five 154 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: through twenty seven. Yeah, I didn't go really beyond twenty seven. 155 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: They're really coming off a first contract and so there's 156 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: not a ton of tread off the tire. There are 157 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: some guys that compliment Damien from a pass catching, third 158 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: down type. Some of these are just a continuation of 159 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: Damian in that Damien runs hard, he imposes his will, 160 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he goes off the field 161 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: and the next guy does the exact same thing, and 162 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: we just probably eat you into submission. I know you, 163 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: I know where you're going, so that that's already know 164 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: who you're going after here. So those are kind of 165 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: the two styles of backs that look that So first 166 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: first running back to me, that sort of made some sense. 167 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: Alexander Madison from the Minnesota Vikings. He's gonna turn twenty 168 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: five before the start of the season and he might 169 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: be looking to be running back one. He only has 170 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: seventy four catch or seventy four runs last year twenty 171 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: eighty three yards, fifteen receptions, so he had eighty nine 172 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: touches for the whole year. He is falls in that 173 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: category of Pierce's coming out of the game. He just 174 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: beat the absolute but Jesus side of you. Now Madison 175 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: comes into game and does the same thing to you. 176 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: They're gonna leave you black and blue. Alexander Madison was 177 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: one guy that I thought it well. I like the 178 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: fact that his last name can go with the same 179 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: syllable rhyming structure as Alexander Madison Hamilton. That's nice. So 180 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: lin Manuel Miranda could write the fight song, the theme 181 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: song of the team for twenty twenty three, maybe, but 182 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: of course you're not gonna build it around Alexander Madison, 183 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: even if you require him. But yeah, that kind of player, Johnny, 184 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: that kind of player would fit and the money would 185 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 1: seem to make sense for the way this team right 186 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: the way we're projected, is gonna sending a whole heck 187 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: of a lot in free agency. But yeah, you get 188 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: what you pay for, and so you probably have to 189 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: pay a little bit for Alexander Madison. Never been a 190 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: number one, he wouldn't be expected to be a number 191 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: one here, but I would imagine as the number two 192 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: or the one B to Damien one. Ay, he's gonna 193 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: get ten eleven touches a game, So if you project 194 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: that over a season, you're talking about one hundred and 195 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: seventy five ninety touches. He had eighty nine last year. 196 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: You gotta lighten the load for Pierce absolutely, and you 197 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: absolutely have to be effective with the other guys, and 198 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: he can be effective. So that's not a bad player 199 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: to single out. Okay, here's one speaking of single Devin 200 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: Singletary Buffalo Bills. Now he's a little different. He's had 201 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: seven hundred touches in his four year career with the Bills. 202 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: He's gonna turn twenty six in September. This past year, 203 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: he had one hundred and seventy seven runs in her 204 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: nineteen yards. He had thirty eight receptions, and that's the 205 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: other category. The guy that can be a shiftier out 206 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: of the backfield pass reception compliment to Damian. Now, Damie 207 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: can catch the ball, but you know Damian's gonna pound 208 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: the rock. The other side of it is, okay, do 209 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: you have a guy that compliments him, Well, he comes 210 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: out okay, you become a little bit more dangerous in 211 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: the past game. And because he's different than Damien, you 212 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: can also play the two of them together at the 213 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: same time and do some different things. The guy Devin 214 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: Singletary the Buffalo Bills. So we think that Singletary fits 215 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: into the offense the way we project Slowe's going to 216 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: organize it. Good point. And I think Pierce will catch 217 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: the ball more. I know he's got that talent, that 218 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: club in his bag, as you'd like to say, so 219 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: I would expect them to develop that more. And this 220 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: is why because he's a free agent. This is one 221 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: of the reasons why everyone has the Bills in the 222 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley Josh Jacob sweeps it right. Those guys are 223 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: free agents. Are the Bills? Are they getting get franchised 224 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: or not? We're in that tag window right now for 225 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks. But are the bill is 226 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: going to go for a big time running back because 227 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:42,719 Speaker 1: they need to figure it out? Get Christian McCaffrey right 228 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: from under their nose. And saw what McCaffrey did, and 229 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: they're probably thinking the same thing. How about this. You 230 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: look at the Buffalo Bills and Zach Moss gets traded 231 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: to Indie and we saw Zack Moss in that last 232 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: game and I thought the Bills need this guy. He 233 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: was on their team. And I know that heem Hines 234 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: had some good moments for Buffalo, especially the Damar Hamlin 235 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: game with the two returns for touchdowns. That was phenomenal stuff, 236 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: very emotional. But why did the Bills let go of mom? 237 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: I don't know when they need that thumper in the postseason. 238 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: See that's the thing. Who's the thumper for the Bills 239 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: when they carry the balls? Josh Allen, Well, you don't 240 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: want that to me. Zach Moss exacts that Finnish physical 241 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: punishment on a team. I'm with you. I didn't quite 242 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: get that because if you look at the Bills backs 243 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: with nine Hines and Singletary, they weren't guy. They were 244 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: making miss guys. Yeah, they weren't going to be guys 245 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: that could exact the punishment on a defense, which I 246 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: think the Bills needed to have. I didn't get the 247 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: Zach Moss thing whatsoever, Johnny. The Bills are a fascinating study. 248 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to go off on too much of 249 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: a tangent here, but this is a great example of 250 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: a team that they're right there and now the window, look, 251 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: windows whatever. As long as you have the quarterback, basically 252 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: you should be in your window. But they have some 253 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: more than nuances to take care of here. Does digs 254 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: really want out? What are they're going to do with 255 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: the running back position? How do you handle the development 256 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: of Josh Allen. You need to compliment him better with 257 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,599 Speaker 1: a running game and maybe some other pass catchers or 258 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: a different style of play, or implement new styles or 259 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: new elements to take a little bit of pressure off 260 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: the quarterback position, especially the way he's getting pounded lately. 261 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: And look he got whacked in a throwing play, right, 262 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: it wasn't a running play. We talked about this yesterday, 263 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: I believe. But I find their situation really interesting because 264 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: everyone that's got an opinion on how to build them 265 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: up to finally cross that next threshold. They haven't been 266 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: able to get there yet. It's going to be interesting 267 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 1: to follow very much. So. This third name, somebody in 268 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: our building was instrumental in him being drafted back in 269 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, that Damien Harris Patriots, formerly of Alabama. And yes, 270 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: when you get the free agency connections matter, nickos Sario 271 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: was part of the drafting of Damien Harris this past year, 272 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: only one hundred and six carries for four hundred sixty 273 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: two yards, where Mondre Stevenson was the guy who sort 274 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: of took over for the Patriots. But we know how 275 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 1: the Patriots are with running backs. Yeah, it's it can 276 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: be Harris one year, could be Stevenson one year. It 277 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: could be Taijay Spears or rookie this year. If that's 278 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: who they ended up drafting, which I hope they don't. 279 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: Sounds interesting Damian Harris, doesn't it? Yeah? Does it not? 280 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: Of the guys you've mentioned so far, pick one, I 281 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: think Damien Harris, Yeah, I think so. I think Damian 282 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: Harris upside. I think there's upside. He'll turn twenty six 283 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: in February and he had his biggest season in twenty 284 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: twenty one. He ran for twenty nine yards. He had 285 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: fifteen touchdowns in twenty twenty one. Here's the thing. He 286 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of tread off the tire, and 287 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: I think he is not quite like Damian Pierce. But 288 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: I think he's got that physical running quality. I think it. 289 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: I think it stays when he's running the football. I 290 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: think he's been well coached. I think Damian Harris makes 291 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: makes uh, he makes a lot of s. Here's another one. Now, 292 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: this is the only guy that I went. He's got 293 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: a connection to Caserio. So okay, let's see if we 294 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: can find a connection two. Demiko Ryan's this the only 295 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: guy went that was over twenty seven as where he 296 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: mostart of the Dolphins. Now he's gonna be thirty one 297 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: at the start of the season, and that's tough. However, 298 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: he's had just four hundred and sixty five career carries, 299 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: so he doesn't have all the tread off the tire, 300 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: and his best seasons were with the San Francisco forty 301 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: nine ers from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty. I don't 302 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: know that I don't know that Mostert is the perfect 303 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: number two, but I like the speed I love the 304 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: speed actually, and Demiko's got a connection to him from 305 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: his years to the forty nine ers. That was the 306 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: one where I was like, only because of the age, 307 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: he's not gonna make a lot of money. He yes, 308 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: I can't even call it a proven deal. He's been 309 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: in the league a long time. Twenty fifteen, his rookie 310 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: year with the Dolphins, and then the Ravens and then 311 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: the I mean he bounced around a bit before he 312 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: really got absorbed into that San Francisco system. And that's 313 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: what makes you excited about this particular prospect and free agency. 314 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: That's Slowick's offense, okay, uses those elements offense. To look 315 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: in Miami for a minute, it was going really well, right, 316 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: it was going really well there, and they couldn't get 317 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: enough former forty nine or running backs. So I wouldn't 318 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: be surprised to see him end up back there. By 319 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: the way, Yeah that's to Miami or maybe even San Francisco. 320 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: Who knows how that plays out, but yeah, it would 321 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: seem to be a good fit here as far as 322 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: somebody to try out. You cannot hang your hat on 323 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: somebody who's been in the league that long and take 324 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: those chances, but maybe, just maybe with not having to 325 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: rely on him so much, he's gonna know the offense. 326 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: He's got some serious juice. He's got serious jets, even 327 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: at thirty one. Okay, his last two or two guys 328 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: that haven't played a ton, but trey On Williams for 329 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: the Bengals, He's really not done much of anything with 330 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: the Bengals. He's a fifth round pick. He had a 331 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: great year at A and M. He kind of falls 332 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: out that Devin's singletary category. He's not a bruiser. He's 333 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: the guy that's been using on kick returns. He really 334 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: has that chance behind some p ron and Joe Mixon. 335 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: He's twenty six, he's shrum Houston. I think you could 336 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: get him on a relatively inexpensive deal, and I think 337 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: he's still got some juice left. He only had six 338 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: carries his past year. I think there's something in Treyvion Williams. 339 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,959 Speaker 1: The other one is Justice Hill of the Ravens. He 340 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: had turned twenty six in November, so he'd been twenty 341 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: five when the season starts. But it's been injuries. He 342 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: had achilles injury in twenty twenty one, and because he 343 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: had that injury kind of struggled to come back. He 344 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: averaged over five yards a carry last year, just forty 345 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: nine carries for the Ravens. He also had twelve receptions. 346 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: He's also got some serious jews. I would be more 347 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: apt to look at Justice Hill than maybe some of 348 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: these guys on the list, because I think I can 349 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: get him maybe for cheaper, and I think he could 350 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: develop in to a really solid compliment to Damian Pierce. 351 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: So Justice Hill. That's why I picked these five guys. Five, 352 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: I picked five or six. I think I had six. Madison, Single, 353 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: Arry Harris, most Stirt, Williams, and Hill. Those are the 354 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: six free agents that made some sense. Now, I know 355 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: what people are gonna say, Tony Pollard's a free agent. 356 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: Tony Pollard's first of all, I don't think I can 357 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: get out of Dallas franchise. I think he's either gonna 358 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: get franchise or they're gonna give him a deal to 359 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: keep him there. They're not doing that again, Are they 360 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: falling in love with a running back to the two 361 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: giving him a huge deal. No, I'm not saying that 362 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: they're gonna give him Zeke Elliott money. No, no, no no, no, 363 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: they're not gonna be dumb about. They're gonna have to 364 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: win the sweepstakes, though. He's gonna take the money because 365 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: here are the running back free agents. It's pretty good. 366 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: Sque Josh Jacobs, Dave Montgomery, Miles Sanders, Tony Pollard, Madison, 367 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: Devin Singletary, Cream Hunt. Wouldn't touch Damien Harris or shot Penny. 368 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: Shot Penny was when I thought about. But then the 369 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: injury factor kind of hit me. I was like, well, 370 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: he got a hamstring pull late in the year, right, 371 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: and but he's been like that his whole career when 372 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: he was healthy. What do he do to us? Oh? 373 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: My God, destroyed us? That's what I was thinking. You 374 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: were thinking. It's like Will Fuller started this fragment. But 375 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: you know what a lot of listeners are saying right now, 376 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: deonte foreman everybody, because look since he left here, all right, 377 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: it started out a little rocky in Tennessee, but then 378 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: he got it going in twenty twenty one, right, and 379 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: he really got it going for the Panthers last year. 380 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: Nine hundred fourteen yards my goodness for and a half 381 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: per Panthers feel good about trading Christian McCaffrey because they 382 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: knew that they had formed at chub Hubbard, and that's 383 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: that's what I'd like to get to with our running game. 384 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: I'd like to get to a point where who's running 385 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: well today, either one chub Hubbard Diante Foreman, And it 386 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: was like one game one guy would have the hot hand, 387 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: the next game the other guy would have the hot hand. 388 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: And that's how they went for the whole season. They 389 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: were tough, and they got nothing really out of the 390 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: quarterback position. So form I would do it. I would 391 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: absolutely do a ton of talent. The way it ended 392 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: up here, you thought, well, maybe this never materializes. He's 393 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: got the pension now and he's gonna keep playing. He's 394 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: gonna get a job, there's no doubt, and I think 395 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: this would be a great place for him. It's just 396 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: a matter of with boomerangs. Boomerangs, guys that were here 397 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: left came back. You know, Quentin Depths is a boomerang. 398 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: It worked great for QD. Yeah, but you know, some 399 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: guys have gotta they gotta get past whatever happened, right, 400 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: and that that's pous regime. And I know they have 401 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: notes on the subject, but you never know what they're 402 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: thinking about. Certain players, Johnny, because all these coaches coming 403 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: in from all over the place, right, definitely, And Demiko 404 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: has definitely reached out across the league for coaches. It 405 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: hasn't just be like, let me get all the forty 406 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: former forty nine ers in here. It hasn't been that 407 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: way at all. So they're reaching out to different uh, 408 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: skill sets, knowledge sets, if you will, as coaches, and 409 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: everybody knows people, and they're gonna get some good information 410 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: on these players. And you never know the effect that 411 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: Demiko can have on a particular player. So this is 412 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: gonna be fun to watch. I don't like to talk 413 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: contract too much, but I wonder what Deontay would take 414 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: in a contract. But can you imagine with Damien Deontay 415 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: john both are healthy, Johnny, of all these guys we've 416 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: been talking about, that's tough. If he is healthy right 417 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: now as we speak, he's gonna make some money. He's 418 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: got a case to make here. Like listen, the last 419 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: two years when I've been given the opportunity, I have 420 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: run the ball. Well, I'm not Derrick Henry, but guess what, 421 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: I'm pretty good. He can make that case. His agent 422 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: has got a nice sell here to a team. So 423 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: I'm not so sure he's gonna be totally affordable, right, 424 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: and that exactly? And is he gonna be looking for 425 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: a number one spot somewhere? Is are one of these 426 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: places where there is a number one now and all 427 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: of a sudden the guy takes pre j money else where, 428 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: pay franchise him in like the Raiders, for example, the Raiders. 429 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: If the Raiders can't come to an agreement with Josh Jacobs, 430 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: they don't want to franchise him, well, Jacobs is going 431 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: somewhere else. Yeah, you know, maybe that's a spot where 432 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: the Raiders is like, hey, do you know whose phone number? 433 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels, And he's gonna make a call. And I 434 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: don't know what that's gonna be. Like Deontay has grown up. 435 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: From what I've heard from people around the league, I 436 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: think Dante has grown up. I agree, got beyond some 437 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: of that stuff. Looks really gonna be twenty seven in April. 438 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: Look at the results, Just look at his path on paper. 439 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, the guy's got it together. Yeah, the 440 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: guy's going to be a number one running back somewhere, 441 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: or potentially a number one running back somewhere. I just 442 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: hope it doesn't end up back. Well, no, I don't 443 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: think the Titans are gonna do it. Colts, No, the 444 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: Titans had him right there, but they have Derrick Henry, 445 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: So what are they gonna do? Look that we haven't 446 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: gotten to that topic yet. Now, what's Henry gonna be 447 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: like in twenty twenty three is it's starting to get 448 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: a little different. Here's the thing. Here's the thing about 449 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: Henry and I and I'm when I'm done doing this. 450 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: He had all those yards in high school. It's gonna 451 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: taper off in college. No, Oh, look it's he's running 452 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: forty four forty five times in college. That's not gonna 453 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: happen in the NFL. And then you start seeing NFL yep, 454 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: see told you. And then all of a sudden, Oh 455 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: my god, he's turned into Derrick Henry. And now my 456 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: point is he's defied everything you've ever said about a 457 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: running back. He's been better on a second contract in 458 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: the NFL, and running backs are never better on a 459 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: second contract, Seemingly in the NFL. He's defied everything. So 460 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: I will never say he's done, he's cooked. I'll never 461 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: say it, No until he says I'm done. But that 462 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: will be a glorious day. But I think there's there's 463 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 1: room for diminishment between what he has been at his 464 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: peak and done. No, he might not be at the peak, 465 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: and he's got that quait. He's definitely not done, but 466 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: he's not who he was anymore, and that could be 467 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: a good thing for the rest of the AFC Sells, 468 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. Let's get to the 469 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 1: draft part now, all right, At what point Texans have 470 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: two twelve, thirty three, sixty five, seventy three, one h three, 471 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: one thirty six, bunch of six and a seventh? When 472 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: do you think it would make sense to take a 473 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: running back or do you think it makes sense to 474 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: take a particular running back at a particular spot? I 475 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: e b. Jean Robinson, a number twelve. Okay, if i'm nick, 476 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: if you put me in that draft room, once I 477 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: get past the first round and maybe pick thirty three, 478 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: is it? Ye? Once I get packed past that pick, 479 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: I might just be on pins and needles on when 480 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: to pull the trigger on Deuce Vaughn because I want 481 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: him so bad. Johnny, I know what you're thinking. Oh no, 482 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: you're not thinking this. You're not that I love the 483 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: guy you could you could do. I want him on 484 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: this team so badly, and you and I are gonna 485 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: be doing this draft coverage stuff and if somebody else 486 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: takes him, look, you have one out of thirty two chance. 487 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: Maybe the odds are less or more. I don't know, 488 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: whatever the odds are of you taking him. I would 489 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: love to see him on this squad. I really would. 490 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: I mean, he would be fantastic. I mean he's he's 491 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: short now, I mean I know people know that. I 492 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,959 Speaker 1: mean I think when he goes to the combine, he 493 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: might be five five, there might be two fives, but 494 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: even at five six, and I don't care if he's Honestly, 495 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:57,959 Speaker 1: I don't care if he's five five. I don't care 496 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: if he's five eight. It doesn't matter to me. Because 497 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: when that guy has a ball in his hands, he 498 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: does incredible things. And I think he would be the 499 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: perfect the guy the two buckets we talked about guys 500 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: that are just gonna be the continuation of Damian Pierce 501 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: from physical standpoint, or you're gonna have a guy that 502 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: comes in and you're like, WHOA, that guy is so different. 503 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: Ninety nine mile our fastball deuce Vaughan is the guy 504 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: that's throwing the eighty three mile hour sliders and he's 505 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: spotting the four steamer and then oh, maybe he's got 506 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: a knuckleball. Because you're trying to figure out, oh my god, 507 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: how to tackle this guy because you can't see him. 508 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: Put him in Pierce in the game at the same time, 509 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: and you can do that too. I think this is 510 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: a real good class. So I I have deuce as 511 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: an option right at the top of the fourth round 512 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: one or three overall, I want to begin my Saturday 513 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: with deuce. That would be awesome. Thank you, That would 514 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: be fantastic. I'll give you one name that I really like. 515 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: I would have to think long hard. Now I've got 516 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: in the running backs group, I've got some I've got 517 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: a couple of kind of weapon x as. I would 518 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: call him Jimir Gibbs. I kind of looking at category 519 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: on H and I put in that category as well. 520 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: Taija spears to Lane Circle. The name Okay, dude is unbelievable. 521 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: He is to Lane at the end of the year, 522 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: had must win games and they gave it to him 523 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: one time, thirty five times again. He's five eleven, one 524 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: ninety five they gave it to him thirty five times 525 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: against Cincinnati. He got in the championship game against UCF 526 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: and they threw it to him. He hit big runs 527 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: he got in the game against USC. I think he 528 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: carried at forty six times in the game against USC. 529 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: Where where do you think he gets picked? See, I'm 530 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: a struggling with this because I have him. Where do 531 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: I have him? Right now? I have him at number 532 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: sixty five? That's high. Yeah, I love this guy. I 533 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: absolutely I think he's I think he is. You can 534 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: make a case for him being as completed back as 535 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 1: you're can find. Should I tell you where PFF has him? 536 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,479 Speaker 1: Because I know your value with their opinions so much. However, 537 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: he said two ACL tears, he's had two seasons. Well, 538 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: he's gotten him out of the way, Johnny, that's my hope. 539 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: That is my hope. Mark, excellent job talking about the 540 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: running backs. And next we'll talk with in the Lab 541 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: Drew Dorty, John Harris right here in Texans All Access. 542 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's time for Texas All Access from Honday, 543 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: Texans Radio Studio. I'm your host, John Harris, and it's 544 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: time for in the Lab Texans in the lab as 545 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: we sort of rebranded a little bit. Drew Dorty and 546 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: myself talking about going to the combine. Let's go, it 547 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: is time for the combine, well really one week from 548 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: the combine, Drew Dorty, John Harris. Good to see my friend, yeah, 549 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: man getting ready for the combos would be It's always fun. 550 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: It's always a fun event. It's always something good to 551 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: come out of it. I have my favorite combine story 552 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: from last years and it features a Texan and you 553 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: know what it is. I can't remember right now, Jile memory. 554 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: I think it was Friday, maybe the last day we 555 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: were there, maybe Thursday. Nobody was doing a bench press, right, Nobody, 556 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: Like each position was like two guys. It was like 557 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: the two bulkiest guys from each position. And so they 558 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: got to running back and there were maybe three running 559 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: backs that did did the son Haskins who ended up 560 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: being a Titan, one other one other guy and they 561 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: were both like two twenty five. Plus Haskins was a 562 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 1: former linebackers. So they wanted to obviously showed off all 563 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: these other running backs because they changed the combine and 564 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 1: they put the bench in the same day that you're 565 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: working out, So a lot of agents were like, no, no no, no, 566 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: do not bench, just do the workout on the field, 567 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: downfield workout. Damian Pierce rolls up, Ye, and he gets 568 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: on into the bench. All the running backs but I 569 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: don't know what twenty five thirty of them, they were 570 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: all not lifting, so they were all surrounding the platform 571 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: where the bench was on, so you couldn't quite see him. 572 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: But they had cameras that were, you know, situated, so 573 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: you could see him bench, and so I couldn't see him. 574 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: So I was watching the TV. Basically I could see 575 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: the arms going up. But on the TV, I'm like 576 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: something weird, like what does he do? He got? Does 577 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: he have slides on? He does? Is? He had ugs 578 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: slides on as he's doing the bench and he did 579 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: twenty one reps A two twenty five US slides. Wow. 580 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: And so I told that story on with his feet though, 581 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: what's that He's not lifted with his feet there? No, 582 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: but I'm joking. I told deeply to tell him that story. 583 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: So I told that story during draft. As soon as 584 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: he was drafted all the great things about him, I said, 585 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: why have this story too? So DEPI was interviewing him 586 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: after he got drafted and typical, you know, Damian Pearce. 587 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, man, I could have done twenty four 588 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: twenty five and had regular shoes on. And I died 589 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: laughing because I'm like, why didn't you? But I thought 590 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: it just added to the allure of a guy that 591 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: we kind of knew had some personality that he's doing 592 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: twenty one reps and it was there were only three 593 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: I think running backs that did bench the whole time, 594 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: and he was one of the three, and he cranked 595 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: twenty plus with ugs slides on things you shoot the combine. 596 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: You were there last year twenty one we missed it 597 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: because COVID the after effects, but twenty was like one 598 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: of the as things that happened right before COVID hit. 599 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: So I've been to every combine but the twenty one 600 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: one since twenty ten. Yeah, we didn't have one in 601 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: twenty one. Actually it was just pro days. Yeah, and 602 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: you've been to everyone since fourteen basically, aside from the 603 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: twenty one. So we've got our routine and it's down. 604 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna get there Monday. You Mark and probably Sutarth 605 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: gonna stay till Friday. Yeah, the rest of us will 606 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: come back Thursday. Right, It's mainly it's become for us 607 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: a day to talk with Casserio on either Tuesday or Wednesday, 608 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: and the vice versa, Damiko Ryans. One goes one day, 609 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: one goes the next. We get all that, We talk 610 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: with some of our friends, counterparts from other teams, national media. 611 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: It's a it's a quick trip, a nice trip, a 612 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: fruitful trip. We get so much content, radio video written 613 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: while we're there. I can't wait to go back in. 614 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: We go out and have a nice meal together a 615 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: couple of times. Yeah, it's always fun. Yeah, it's always 616 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: fun to get out and break bread because we haven't 617 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: been on the road together for a while, and so 618 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: now we're getting all back out there, and so that's 619 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: always that's always fun, you know, meeting and talking to 620 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: the people that we know from throughout the league. That's 621 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: always cool. But then you you know, of course not 622 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, you don't name drop, but it's just oh hey, 623 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: there's such as we've gotten so used to see. I mean, 624 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: the first year, whenever you a coach or a GM 625 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: would walk by, my eyes got really big, like, oh 626 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: oh man, that's right, trying or now you just kind 627 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: of walk side by side with you know whomever you see, 628 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: you know, some scouts, some coaches. I thought Nickossario made 629 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: an interesting point the other day talking about who goes 630 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: to the combine now, and there's some teams Texans included, 631 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: that have analyzed who needs to go to the combine, 632 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: who needs to be there, who needs to be in 633 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: the interviews? The coaches better served to stay here. Used 634 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: to be everybody, every single coach, everybody, member of the 635 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: front office, they were all there. That's that's been trimmed 636 00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: back absolutely, and so um that I find that fascinating 637 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: and a little disappointing because you do see coaches from 638 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: a lot of different places, you know, guys that have 639 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: been here, like, for example, probably two three years ago, 640 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: we saw Charles London there. Hell, dude, at least I 641 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: think it was nineteen, maybe eighteen. We're walking in the 642 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: halls before you make that turn. Yeah yeah. We chatted 643 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: for about two or three minutes with Demiko Ryans. Oh yeah, 644 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: young Demiko Ryan's a young assistant with the forty nine ers. 645 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: It was great seeing him and yeah, yeah, catching up 646 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: with him. Probably Johnny Holland was with him. And there's 647 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: so many different people that oh, oh, this guy's with 648 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: that team. This guy's with that team. You see a 649 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: guy wearing a logo and you're like, oh, man, I 650 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: didn't know, because what ends up happening is one of 651 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: if a coaching staff changes or moves for a lot 652 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: of a lot of it, it happens in the off season, 653 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: and so sometimes you don't see that guy again. Like 654 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: Charles London, for example, when he decided to go to 655 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: the Bears. I think it was this happened the off season, 656 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: and Charles was a guy that we got to know 657 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: as a running backs coach here from fourteen through seventeen eighteen, 658 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: and just a great guy went up to Chicago. You 659 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: don't get to even it's like goodbye to these guys. 660 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: Next time you see him, you might be in a 661 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: game and go, oh wait a second, Hey there's Charles Lennon. 662 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: So he'll just seeing him at different events has been 663 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: like him in particular, has been kind of cost up 664 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: with the senior boy. He was the offensive coordinator for 665 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: one of the teams. It was pretty cool to see him. 666 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: We had about twenty minutes thirty minutes last year with 667 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: t J. Yates. Yeah, yeah, it was great. Yeah, that was. 668 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: That was cool. So you get those kind of things 669 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: that are kind of fun. You catch up with people 670 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: and then you know, you one of the other things 671 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: that I know for radio, we get to catch up 672 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: with a lot of the voices and so in that 673 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: twenty twenty year we were supposed to play the NFC North. 674 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: We did play the NFC North, but we didn't travel 675 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: like we're supposed to. But we got Paul Allen on 676 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: from the Vikings, we got Jeff Joniac from the Bears. Um, 677 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: We've got you know, obviously all the AFC South voices 678 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: that come on with us and we love it. We 679 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: get Bob Soci sometimes from the New England Patriots. If 680 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: he's there, he'll pop on with us. And so just 681 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: getting those voices on to talk about their teams and 682 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: getting to know them a little bit. I mean we 683 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: talked with Jeff Joniac maybe twenty minutes on the air 684 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: and maybe a half hour off. Yeah, and it was 685 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: it was that's the typical. I mean, you guys get 686 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: absolute a lot of FaceTime, absolutely talk shop what's going 687 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: on in your building. Absolutely, it's it's such a fruitful 688 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: endeavor just going there and getting to getting to be there. 689 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: I love it. I can't wait. In Indianapolis. I hate 690 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: that team now, but boy, I love everything else about 691 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: that town. It's a fun town. It's a good town. 692 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: It's set up perfectly for it. I love going to Indianapolis, 693 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: both playing them and going to this comp It's so 694 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: much fun. When I talk to people throughout the league 695 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: and the like, man, you're three division teams. Man, that's 696 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: that Those must not be great trips. I'm like, man, 697 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: you kid me. Those three those towns, Yeah, they're all different. 698 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: Those those three are are fantastic. Um. I love it. 699 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: I love going to India. I mean, India's a great 700 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 1: events town. Today. I do things, and obviously I coached 701 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: the Jacksonville for seven years, but I just love the beach. 702 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: I love that, you know, Southern field to a town, 703 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 1: and then Nashville is Nashville is just that's just a 704 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 1: happening spot. I mean for everybody. I mean everybody tries 705 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: to get to Nashville in some way, shape or form, 706 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: especially if you're getting married, a bachelor, bachelorette party. I 707 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: can't imagine what the draft was like there when they 708 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: had it, how many every years ago that was they 709 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: did it right, man. They did. It was backed up 710 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: to the river and they put put this awesome stage 711 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: on the main street. It was awesome. They killed it. 712 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: They did our division trips, man, and you're right, Indy, 713 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: this this um, this kind of body will be cool 714 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: because it'll be the second one. So last year was okay, 715 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: are people going back to it? Our media people going 716 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: back to it, our coaches going back to it? Who's 717 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 1: all going back? Who's not going Who are you gonna 718 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: be able to catch up with? And then, of course 719 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: the one thing we've kind of glossed over is once 720 00:35:53,120 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: the prospects take the stage, the quarterback interviews are unbelievable 721 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: because they set this thing up. So they set up podiums, 722 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: so they're probably eight podiums now, they set up maybe ten, 723 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: and then they put up placards showing who's coming up, 724 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: and then they separated by position and then by alphabetic 725 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: quarter I think. And so you look up there and 726 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: you're like, okay, when is Bryce Young going stage? Well? 727 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: Being why Young? He'll probably be on one of the 728 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,240 Speaker 1: far ends, thankfully, because there's only so much space between 729 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: where they've got a camera platform and where the podiums 730 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: are and so when these quarterbacks, when there have been 731 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: big name quarterbacks, those you can't get by. There's so 732 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 1: many people there. There's this throng of probably about one 733 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: hundred plus people in a I don't know ten by 734 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: ten space, just all crammed in there, you know, trying 735 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,760 Speaker 1: to get a question off, and it's just mass chaos. 736 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: It's always fun to watch, Yeah, it's always a blast 737 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 1: to watch, but to just know that whatever that guy 738 00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: says is going to end up on Twitter, it's like 739 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: you're right in the middle of everything that's going on. 740 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: The kind of memorable ones I've seen in that regard 741 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: over the years, Cam Newton drew a massive crowd eleven. 742 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: I wish I would have benefit that one, and there 743 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,240 Speaker 1: was one other quarterback in twenty eleven. But you're gonna 744 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: have to go find the end of Lab podcast to 745 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,760 Speaker 1: listen to that because we got to talk Jackson Smith 746 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: in Jigbo howse states wide receiver who missed all of 747 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. That's next on Texans All Access. One 748 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: of the more polarizing draft prospects in this particular draft 749 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: class is Ohio state wide receiver Jackson Smith and Jigba. 750 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: He was Outstanding alongside Chris lab and twenty twenty two 751 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: offens Rookie of the Year Karrett Wilson in twenty twenty one, 752 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: but in twenty twenty two he was hurt early in 753 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: the Notre Dame game, the opener and didn't play again. 754 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: So he's a little bit mysterious to most. So dpcity 755 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: decided to dive in and learn all about Jackson Smith 756 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: and Jigbo. Join me once again, Phil Harrison. He's a 757 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: writer and editor for USA Today's Buckeyes Wire, and it 758 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: wouldn't be a draft prospect series, Philip. We didn't talk 759 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: about some Ohio state wide receivers because I feel like 760 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 1: it's wide receiver. You It really is, just especially over 761 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: the past few years and this year, no exception wide 762 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: receiver Jackson Smith and Jigba what separates him from some 763 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 1: of the other Ohio state wide receivers you've seen in 764 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 1: the past. Okay, So yeah, Ohio state has had a 765 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: run of wide receivers here and if you ask, we 766 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: had two first rounders taken last year between Garrett Wilson 767 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 1: and Chris Alabby. Both of them could have won Rookie 768 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,359 Speaker 1: of the Year, right of course, Garrett Wilson did both 769 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: really good wide receivers. But believe it or not, the 770 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: year that all three of them were playing together, Jackson, 771 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba led the team in receiving. Right, So 772 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 1: we had two first rounders and Smith and Jigba had 773 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: sixteen hundred yards of receiving offense on that team, better 774 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: than a Labby and better than Wilson. Now what sets 775 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,839 Speaker 1: him apart. He's not the fastest guy. He doesn't get 776 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: down the field if I don't know if he's going 777 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: to Actually he's been invited to the NFL Combine. I 778 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: don't know what he's going to do at it, but 779 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 1: his forty time probably won't be great for a wide receiver. 780 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 1: He's not gonna he's gonna break the gun. But his 781 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,439 Speaker 1: ability to accelerate out of his routes and to gain 782 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: separation in the middle of the field, and then his 783 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: ability after the catch to make guys miss kind in 784 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: a subtle way. He's kind of moving forward and making 785 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 1: guys miss and just his vision and it really sets 786 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: him apart. And then he makes unbelievable catches. I mean, 787 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 1: his ability to use his hands and go up in 788 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: traffic is second to none. Again, he doesn't outrun people 789 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: if he just finds separation like in the middle of 790 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: the field and then uses his hands and contested catches. 791 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: So I think it says a lot to know that 792 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: he ended up outperforming if he will two first rounders 793 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: when he played and was healthy. Our football analyst John Harris, 794 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,879 Speaker 1: he compares in Jigbot to the forty nine ers Deebo 795 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,879 Speaker 1: Samuel because of his versatility. So what do you think 796 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: his best asset is as a receiver? I would say 797 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 1: his route running and ability to separating. I mean, like 798 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 1: we talked about before, he's just so quick out of 799 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 1: his routes and the route running, and he has been 800 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,760 Speaker 1: so such a quick burst. Again, his top level speed 801 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 1: isn't you see him, you'll seem get caught from behind him. 802 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 1: But his ability to get out of those cuts and 803 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: burst into his routes and gained separation probably honestly the 804 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: best I've ever seen of a wide receiver at alien state. 805 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 1: And that's really what sets him apart. What about his 806 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: spit Where does he fit into an NFL offense deep 807 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: thread or slot receiver? Where would you put him? I 808 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: put him a slot. I mean that's where he was 809 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: at Ohio State, and again just to mention, he's not 810 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,760 Speaker 1: going to really take the top off of the defense 811 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: because he's not you know, a burner's fasten up more 812 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: than more than addequate. But he's not a burner that's 813 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: going to just go down the field on seam routes. 814 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: But again, he in the middle of the field and 815 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: in traffic, separates from his competition to where he's opening, 816 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: gets the ball, and then he does his best work 817 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,919 Speaker 1: when he gets the ball and then and is able 818 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: to make moves in space against the defense. So I 819 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: would definitely think he's a slot receiver as oppose outside. 820 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 1: What about his performances that you've covered, which one really 821 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 1: stands out to you or a particular game or moment 822 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: or play that really without question. I remember sitting in 823 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl press box. Actually we yeah, it was 824 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: sit in the Rose Bowl press box when he had 825 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,800 Speaker 1: three hundred and I'm going to get the three hundred 826 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: and thirty seven yards receiving, right, that's ridiculous, Steven, think 827 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 1: about a receiver getting three hundred and thirty yards through 828 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 1: the year. But that was the best performance I've ever 829 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: seen from a wide receiver ever. Ever, and by the 830 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: way C. J. Stroud was thrown into him. But just 831 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,959 Speaker 1: that game alone, it was again that what we've talked about. 832 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: He could catch the ball separate and it wasn't you 833 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: know that he wasn't one of the top. He was 834 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,280 Speaker 1: catching the ball, finding those steam routs and making everybody 835 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: miss and get into the end zone. The one player 836 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: that I remember the most, there's actually two of them. 837 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 1: He caught the ball and then had a guy trailing 838 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,760 Speaker 1: and he did get caught from behind, but he stiff 839 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: armed the Utah defensive back for about fifteen yards and 840 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 1: got into the end zone right, so he gos tell 841 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: you what kind of strength he has as well. And 842 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: then the other one just a ridiculous catch that he 843 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 1: made where he was in the very corner of the 844 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,879 Speaker 1: end zone and it just dropped out of the sky 845 00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,879 Speaker 1: right on the end, right on the side of the ends, 846 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: and somehow he was able to last minute adjust his 847 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: eyes and catch the ball and make the catch and 848 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 1: get two feet etra two feet in bounds and then 849 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,320 Speaker 1: pushed out of bounds. Its actually the I think it 850 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 1: was a game tie in score. So just an unbelievable 851 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 1: ability to adjust with a guy Drake Brown on him. 852 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: There's no doubt Jansen is going to be hugely polarizing. 853 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 1: And a big thanks for Deep City forgetting that from 854 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: Phil Harrison from Buckeye Wire covered the odd State Buckeyes 855 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, and a big thanks too, obviously 856 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: Deep to Phil, to Mark to Jeru, to all of you, 857 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: thank you so much. We'll see tomorrow and as always, 858 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: go Texans.