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Speaker 1: What's going on? John Middlecoff three and out podcast Back

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Speaker 1: at it again Friday. I'm actually recording this on a Thursday.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to this. Actually headed to Scottsdale this weekend

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Speaker 1: for a little bachelor party. Gonna get loose, let my

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Speaker 1: really do that, but uh so recording this on a

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Speaker 1: on a Thursday afternoon. Uh I'm gonna dive into the

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Speaker 1: Middlecoff mail bag as I always do a little later.

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Speaker 1: answer questions. A lot of people do mail bags. The

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Speaker 1: go into the direct messages and just ask me a

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Speaker 1: question and I'll answer it here at John Middlecoff is

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Speaker 1: my Instagram handle. It's also my Twitter handle. You can

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Speaker 1: find me on YouTube all over the internet, so you

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Speaker 1: like what you're hearing. I do a lot of different stuff.

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Speaker 1: Have another podcast We've got Haberman called Habroman middle Cough

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Speaker 1: right on the Athletic. You can find me anywhere. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna dive into something with anonymous sources and just something

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Speaker 1: I vehemently disagree with when it comes to the media.

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Speaker 1: Crushing anonymous sources. Some thoughts on Antonio Brown. And as

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Speaker 1: I'm recording this, maybe by the time you're listening to this,

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Speaker 1: he's been officially traded. He hasn't been officially traded as

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Speaker 1: I'm recording this. But there is something interesting. I know

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Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald said last week that he would have gone

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Speaker 1: about it differently. And uh, what if Larry Fitzgerald had

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Speaker 1: gone scorched Earth once upon a time and maybe you

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Speaker 1: ended up on the Packers or the Patriots, say, and

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Speaker 1: I kind of listed out of some players that you

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Speaker 1: know probably should have done this once upon a time,

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Speaker 1: maybe their career would be looked upon a little differently,

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Speaker 1: almost in the defense of Antonio Brown. Uh, and then

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Speaker 1: we'll talk more football. But I'm gonna start with this.

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Speaker 1: You often hear this in I guess you see this.

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Speaker 1: I follow sports the closest. Uh. Politically, it's been hard

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Speaker 1: these last couple of years, just social media. It's just overwhelming.

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Speaker 1: Clearly unnamed sources are really big in politics like they

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Speaker 1: are in sports. But unnamed sources and I have been

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Speaker 1: one as a scout kind of, I mean not really.

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Speaker 1: I helped a couple of people on some draft articles,

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Speaker 1: but I was not allowed to use my name. So

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna get mad at at anonymous sources, and

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Speaker 1: we've seen this with a lot of people blasting Charlie

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Speaker 1: castle Ley's sourcing for Kyler Murray, Well, if you're talking

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Speaker 1: to a general manager or head coach, technically they have

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Speaker 1: the juice and the right to put their name on

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Speaker 1: it there at the top of the food chain. But

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Speaker 1: if I'm just the West Coast area scout or I'm

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Speaker 1: a pro director or a college director, I cannot put

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Speaker 1: my name on something. And here's the thing. The media

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Speaker 1: knows when they are asking you that you cannot put

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Speaker 1: your name on it. Yet they know that usually you

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Speaker 1: have the best information because for the most part, when

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Speaker 1: you're not a general manager or head coach, you don't

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Speaker 1: have that much to gain or lose. Because as a

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Speaker 1: let's say I'm the West Coast Scout, or let's say

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Speaker 1: I'm the in the region of Kyler Murray, and I

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Speaker 1: like Kyler Murray or don't like Kyler Murray, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of irrelevant. Whatever I tell you on him. I'm just

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Speaker 1: giving you my opinion on him. It is not my

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Speaker 1: decision to draft him or to not draft him. I

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Speaker 1: am not the decision maker. So unless the decision maker

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Speaker 1: tells you that there's not everyone freaks out, Oh it's

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Speaker 1: lying season all the anonymous sources. No, unless it's a

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Speaker 1: general manager or head coach, I would say, for the

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Speaker 1: most part, guys are just telling the truth. I text.

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Speaker 1: I got several close buddies in the NFL that are

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Speaker 1: not general managers. If I text them and ask them

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Speaker 1: angle on that one. We're just having a conversation and

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Speaker 1: some media members get duped. But I think now there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of people maybe like me, Daniel Jeremiah, uh,

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Speaker 1: you see Greg Gabriel, Mike Mayock is now in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Then have like legitimate relationships with these people. Then have

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Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to work for people that are

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Speaker 1: coach and the and I talked to was not, he

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Speaker 1: can't put his name on crushing a player. That is

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Speaker 1: not how the world works. So all these media members

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Speaker 1: are like, put your name on the quote. Amy Trask

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Speaker 1: the NFL. You you know they can't because guess what

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Speaker 1: happens if you're a scout and you were to go, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, the quarterback or anonymous player crushes the coach.

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Speaker 1: For the most part, that player is probably not the

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Speaker 1: the rotational linebacker. What happens in the hierarchy of any

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Speaker 1: what we're doing. I can't believe the scheme we're running,

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Speaker 1: the game plan we implemented all week. You know, my

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Speaker 1: my mom could have figured this one out. I just

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Speaker 1: I think we have no chance to win on Sundays.

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Speaker 1: Uh quote me, middle linebacker John Middlecoff, I would be

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Speaker 1: released on Monday or Tuesday. But if I have those

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Speaker 1: It's been my one. We'll get into Antonio Brown here

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Speaker 1: Roethlisberger can say and do whatever he wants and there

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Speaker 1: one can say a word. Everyone's thinking it. We've all

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Speaker 1: So we see all this, and you're gonna continue to

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Speaker 1: I can't believe these scouts don't put their name on

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Speaker 1: the quote. Of course they don't because they would lose

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Speaker 1: their job. And why does the why does the media

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Speaker 1: ask Joe blow West Coast scout about you know whoever

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Speaker 1: nikkil Harry or the best quarterback coming out because he

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Speaker 1: close with multiple GMS. If I text them a question,

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't even give me the juicy stuff. It's just

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Speaker 1: they're they're too on edge this time a year, there's

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Speaker 1: too much information out there. If I want the juicy stuff,

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Speaker 1: assistant college director that's been through the school truck twice.

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Speaker 1: They give me the good stuff. Uh. And the media

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Speaker 1: was always and I think a lot of personnel people

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Speaker 1: he was terrible on the board. Well, a couple of

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Speaker 1: I don't really care. The only question I have for

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Speaker 1: coach for? What am I paying my offensive coordinator one

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Speaker 1: to to know the information? Why why don't coaches who

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Speaker 1: whether the guy learns on the field. That is their

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Speaker 1: You know, the one place to teach us, well, I know,

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Speaker 1: actually I got two, and I know a lot of

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Speaker 1: places to teach. But Belichick big time teacher. You know

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Speaker 1: the other guy that's a great teacher. And I can

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Speaker 1: coach read teaching is really important and it'll teach you.

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Speaker 1: out the information. If you can't learn from Andy or Belichick,

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Speaker 1: you can't learn. Now. Sometimes you get situations like if

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Speaker 1: You can't learn from Chip Kelly. Maybe it's Chip Kelly.

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Speaker 1: But coaches always loved to fall back on he couldn't

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Speaker 1: the owner or GM, Like, what are we paying you

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Speaker 1: I really don't. And that's a constant uh. In defense

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Speaker 1: of til Murray, this notion that because he's not good

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Speaker 1: For the first time this year and he played and

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Speaker 1: let's call it what it is, a pretty basic look

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Speaker 1: at me offense. When it comes to looking at the coach.

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Speaker 1: That has to do something. He had a terrible rookie year.

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Speaker 1: Have some players on defense, they have a really good

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Speaker 1: defensive coaching staff. This is the whole coaching staff. It's

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Speaker 1: all the guys that he won with in Arizona. So

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Speaker 1: he has a playoff level coaching staff. Can Aians get

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Speaker 1: through to through to Jamis? That? That, to me is

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Speaker 1: the question. If Jamis can play at a Pro Bowl

435
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Speaker 1: level thirty five touchdowns, twelve picks. You know, I can't

436
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Speaker 1: have the eighteen twenty picks, just the disaster consistency inconsistency

437
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Speaker 1: that he has, so it rides on him. Now, is

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Speaker 1: there any coach that you'd rather have to attempt to

439
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Speaker 1: fix Jamis? I've said all along, No, say nine and seven.

440
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Speaker 1: I think it's somewhat realistic. Bruce, arians is that good

441
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Speaker 1: of a coach? Is coaching staffs that good? And Jamis

442
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: has shown some ability. You know, I thought last year

443
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Speaker 1: once Jami's kind of got things together, it was like, damn,

444
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Speaker 1: this guy has something. Now he throws up some hollow stats.

445
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Speaker 1: But Bruce, the standards are gonna get raised about tenfold,

446
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Speaker 1: which should benefit everyone in the organization. I think nine

447
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Speaker 1: seven is realistic. If you have the Saints win the division,

448
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Speaker 1: the Panthers are gonna fall off a cliff. You have

449
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Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. What team am I missing? So

450
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Speaker 1: I got the Saints, the Bucks of the Falcons? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe eight and eate. It's a little a little more.

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Speaker 1: The Falcons are gonna should come back strong. Hey, John,

453
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Speaker 1: I was hoping you could explain the thinking behind the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals potentially pretending to be interested in drafting Kyler. Wouldn't

455
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Speaker 1: this mean they're not open to trading down? I think

456
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Speaker 1: the thinking in faking everyone out like you like him,

457
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Speaker 1: but not trading Rosen, so like you're just figuring out

458
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Speaker 1: your options would be to gain leverage if you know

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Speaker 1: someone behind you is in love with them, and as

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Speaker 1: everyone at the combine said, John Gruden is in love

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Speaker 1: with them. So if you could convince Gruden to give

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Speaker 1: you swap one and four and maybe give you a

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Speaker 1: first round pick if you were gonna take if you

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Speaker 1: were okay taking Josh Allen or whatever all along and

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Speaker 1: you were cool keeping Josh Rosen and you get an

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Speaker 1: extra first round pick out of it, It's not that

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Speaker 1: nuts to me? Is that? Not? If somehow you could

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Speaker 1: get convinced Gruden to give you like four, So I'll

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Speaker 1: give you one, you give me four, you give me

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Speaker 1: twenty four, and you give me like next year's I

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Speaker 1: don't know, next year a good you know, a second

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Speaker 1: round they don't have a second round or next year

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Speaker 1: because they did a pick swap. But you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I think it's to get a hole.

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Speaker 1: And I've said along, if Josh Rosen doesn't get traded

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Speaker 1: before the draft, I think we'll have a pretty good

477
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Speaker 1: idea that he's not gonna be on the Cardinals. But

478
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Speaker 1: not a idea because they always could trade him on

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Speaker 1: draft day. But I would say, just the way the

480
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Speaker 1: business has done, you probably trade him right when free

481
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Speaker 1: agency starts. But if you're just keeping your options open,

482
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Speaker 1: maybe you don't. I don't know. I've been thinking a

483
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Speaker 1: lot about that. The more information you keep yourself, the

484
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Speaker 1: more you keep everyone guessing. But the key if you

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Speaker 1: are going to take Kyler Murray and you want to

486
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Speaker 1: get people to bid and just see what you could

487
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Speaker 1: get for him, is to make people think that you

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Speaker 1: love Hyler Murray. Because if you love Kyler Murray, you're

489
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Speaker 1: gonna have to be talked out of Kyler Murray. But

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Speaker 1: you could always convince people like I still like Josh Rosen.

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Speaker 1: So if you can convince me to trade you Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray a k the number one pick. We listen, but

493
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to blow me away. You're gonna you know,

494
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: we often say, like in the NBA, to get a superstar,

495
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Speaker 1: you gotta pay. You know, usually superstars get traded for

496
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Speaker 1: like sev seventy cents on the dollar. Well, in this

497
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Speaker 1: situation with the Cardinals, if I know Gruden likes him,

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Speaker 1: you gotta give me like a buck twenty five on

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Speaker 1: the dollar. You gotta overpay because someone's like middle Coff,

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Speaker 1: you gotta give. You gotta give pick four, Pick twenty

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Speaker 1: four and pick thirty five. Well, yeah, if I if

502
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Speaker 1: I love them, you better blow my socks off because

503
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take him. And then I'll just trade Rosen

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Speaker 1: on the day of the draft lwigh or to Miami

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Speaker 1: or wherever I can find a place for Rosen. That

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Speaker 1: that's the least of my worries. But you gotta give

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Speaker 1: me an offer to make me consider keeping him and

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Speaker 1: consider giving you the number one pick, which I know

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Speaker 1: in theory, I know you want. If Gruden wanted a

510
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Speaker 1: good receiver, why didn't he keep Cooper instead of now

511
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: Reportedly going after a headache. Like Antonio Brown, you teach

512
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Speaker 1: me a lot about football. Thanks. I think that Amari

513
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: hadn't played that well for the most part with the

514
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Speaker 1: Raiders in the last couple of years. Him and Derek

515
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: were not on the same page. I don't think Amari

516
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Speaker 1: is MR Practice super hard. I don't think he's MR.

517
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Speaker 1: Practice not hard. But I don't think if you go

518
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Speaker 1: to a practice, you just really feel Amari. And that's

519
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Speaker 1: the little type stuff that drives Gruden nuts. And then

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Speaker 1: there was a big picture. His agent was Khalil Max agent,

521
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Speaker 1: who had just had the crazy kind of hold out. Now,

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Speaker 1: Amari is not as even close to as good as Khalil.

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Speaker 1: So his fifth year option is this year. I think

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Speaker 1: it pays around fourteen million dollars. Was he gonna hold out?

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Speaker 1: I would have been shocked if you held out, But

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Speaker 1: I think it's more just for whatever reason. You know,

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Speaker 1: Gruden's old school. He just goes Antonio Brown is better,

528
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Speaker 1: and he's under contract, and I have money to spend.

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Speaker 1: I like Antonio Brown more to Mark Cooper, I would

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Speaker 1: not do it. Mary's twenty four with an enormous upside. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's got some flaws, but as you saw in Dallas,

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Speaker 1: he's pretty damn good, And as you saw early on

533
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Speaker 1: his career in Oakland, he's pretty damn good. He was

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Speaker 1: drafted for for a reason. No one ever said it

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Speaker 1: was weird when he went four. People said, wow, what

536
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Speaker 1: a pick. I think just him and Derek not get

537
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: along might be strong, But you know, I don't know.

538
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: I don't think. I just don't think it was working.

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Speaker 1: If you're John Robinson, the GM for the Tennessee Titans,

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Speaker 1: what is your move at nineteen in the draft? Do

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Speaker 1: you maybe even try to draft a bigger name opposed

542
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Speaker 1: to a bigger need with the draft being in Nashville.

543
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: Let me stop right there. John Robinson, knowing him a

544
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: little bit one thousand percent, will not give one ship

545
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: that the draft is in Nashville. But I know what

546
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Speaker 1: you're hand Also, is Tennessee teaching reaching trying to trade

547
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Speaker 1: for a b uh? Let's start with the ladder. I

548
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: don't think they're reaching tried to trade for ab To me,

549
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Speaker 1: they make a lot of sense. If you could get

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Speaker 1: Antonio Brown, they're receiving course terrible. You got Delaney coming

551
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: back there. Running backs, Actually, Derrick Henry looked pretty good.

552
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 1: Down the stretch. Dean lewis a good player. What if

553
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Speaker 1: you did this, What if you can trade your second

554
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Speaker 1: for Antonio Brown. Your defense is pretty damn good. Your

555
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: defense is really good. Your fronts good, linebackers are good.

556
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: Dbs are solid, actually not great, but you know whatever,

557
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: most teams don't have good defensive backs. What if you

558
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Speaker 1: traded your second rounder for Antonio Brown? And what if

559
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: at nineteen you took the best receiver on the board.

560
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: We're the best tight end on the board. You can

561
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Speaker 1: get a young tight end, and you just put a

562
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: ton of weapons around Mariota, So then you know you're

563
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: either because your defense is already a playoff level defense,

564
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: you're kind of equipped to win if Mariota is humming.

565
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: And then if Mariota is not the guy, you just

566
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Speaker 1: move off from next year, you don't extend this contract.

567
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Speaker 1: I I think they go. I think they go explosive

568
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: playmaker at nineteen, and I do not, like I said,

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Speaker 1: I don't think at all being in Nashville will affect

570
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: John Robbins. He's he's old school Bill Belichick. Like Hi, John,

571
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Speaker 1: love the pod. I'm just wondering why you don't like

572
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen I get the accuracy concerns, but I think

573
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Speaker 1: he proved a lot this season for the Bills fans

574
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Speaker 1: to believe he's our franchise quarterback. His completion percentage was

575
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Speaker 1: skewed because he didn't have any receivers who would catch

576
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Speaker 1: the ball. Again, I do not not like Josh Allen. Actually,

577
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Speaker 1: since he's been in the NFL, I'm I'm actually kind

578
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Speaker 1: of a fan. I just am against guys that are

579
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Speaker 1: that inaccurate in college ever being able to function in

580
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Speaker 1: the NFL. Now, he showed a lot of signs, some

581
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Speaker 1: big time flash plays, but he did that in college.

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Speaker 1: Some of the people that I trust the most in

583
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Speaker 1: the NFL tried to convince me that I was being

584
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: too harsh on him last year leading up to the draft.

585
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: They're like, he's better than you think. He's actually not bad.

586
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: And the more I followed on Instagram, I followed Jordan Palmer,

587
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: and Jordan Palmer trains these guys and last year he

588
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: trade Sam Donald and he trade Josh Allen. Well, this

589
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: year he's training stid Hum, the ty Tyson Jackson or

590
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: I think whatever his name is, the kid from Buffalo,

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00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: the Big Guy, Drew Lock and some other guys, and

592
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: Josh Allen and Sam Donald are back together, and I

593
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: just see these guys a lot together on Instagram. They're

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Speaker 1: kind of becoming BFFs, and I kind of like that.

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00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: I just like those two guys. So don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 1: I think Josh Allen pristine character, seems like a high

597
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,239
Speaker 1: level guy. I'm rooting for him. I just think at

598
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, he has a fundamental flaw,

599
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: terribly inaccurate, and that usually is a fatal flaw in

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Speaker 1: the league. Now, if he's so smart and he can

601
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: read defenses and he can just incrementally improve his accuracy,

602
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: and like you said, they draft some receivers this year,

603
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: Go sign a receiver. Maybe he'll shut me up. And

604
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for him to shut me up. I want

605
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: to be wrong on this now because I followed enough

606
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: and seen enough. I like this kid. I like him

607
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: a lot. And now these boys with Sam Donald, I

608
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: I like that little parent. Kind of ironic because they're

609
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: in the same division. But it's not quite like basketball,

610
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: because two quarterbacks on polar team on opposite teams can

611
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: be good friends because not like you played each other,

612
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: you're never on the field at the same time, So

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Speaker 1: I think it's kind of a cool friendship to watch John.

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Speaker 1: We need to get a checkmark by your name. Yes,

615
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: it's stupid, but people care about this ship. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm new to the Instagram. I'm not new to Instagram,

617
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: but new one being aggressive on it. What would take

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Speaker 1: during the remainder of Katie and Lebron James's career for

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Speaker 1: the majority of the media professionals to actually be convinced

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Speaker 1: that Katie is higher than Lebron James on the all

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Speaker 1: time greatest list. I watched Lebron James past Michael Jordan's

622
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: the other day on the all time scoring list, and

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Speaker 1: it was one of the most bizarre things I've ever

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Speaker 1: seen in my life. I don't remember a player in

625
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: sports that ever felt it was really good in the

626
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: prime of his career, that ever felt like he gave

627
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: a ship less about the team he was on then

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00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: Lebron and the Lakers, especially when you factor in how

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Speaker 1: famous and big of a deal the Lakers are. Just

630
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,239
Speaker 1: in general, it is pretty wild. If Kevin Durant goes

631
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: New York and wins a couple of titles, the conversation

632
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: would change. I doubt that happens. Kevin's a little soft.

633
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: Haven't had a front row seat watching him, but he is.

634
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: He's an incredible player. Lebron is officially jumped the shark.

635
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: Lebron tweeted yesterday how excited he was for a moment

636
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: before the game about passing Michael Jordan's after the team

637
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: is an absolute chambles, and then they got boat raced

638
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: by the Denver Nuggets. I think Lebron's kind of lost

639
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: right now. Kind of sucks. Massive Packers fan from Cannaberra,

640
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Speaker 1: Australia never heard of it, but that sounds like cool plays.

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Speaker 1: Question for the pot Belichick is Brady Belichick has the

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Speaker 1: quarterback yeah, with the biggest chip on his shoulder that

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Speaker 1: he has been able to carry that throughout his career

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Speaker 1: as the ultimate motivation. If the Patriots were able to

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Speaker 1: trade for Rosen, could you see this as a similar situation.

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Speaker 1: Rosen said in his first press conference that nine teams

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Speaker 1: made a huge mistake today, so he's already has a

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Speaker 1: chip there. What sort of trade do you think would

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Speaker 1: it take for this to happen. I think they could.

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Speaker 1: They got two second round picks, so I think a

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Speaker 1: second round pick gets it done. Um, I thought we

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Speaker 1: were going with the question would it piss Brady off? Now?

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Speaker 1: I think when you're forty one, you just kind of

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Speaker 1: have to deal with them bringing in quarterbacks. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they brought in his replacement five years ago and Jimmy Garoppolo,

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Speaker 1: and he outlasted him. Now when he outlast Josh Rosen,

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Speaker 1: who has brought in no, Yeah, I think the Patriot

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Speaker 1: organization would be good for Josh. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: no brainer for the Patriots. I think it's a no brainer,

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Speaker 1: like I said earlier in the podcast, for for the

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Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. But the key is gonna be they're gonna

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Speaker 1: if they want Kyler Murray and we're gonna know. We'll

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Speaker 1: definitely gonna know on Draft Day, but we might have

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Speaker 1: an idea in the next couple of weeks if they

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Speaker 1: trade Josh Rosen, if he really is on the block,

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Speaker 1: which it sure as hell feels like the Patriots should

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Speaker 1: just be all over him. I think I think it

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Speaker 1: would be the best thing that ever happened to Josh's career,

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Speaker 1: to get to play with Tom, to get to be

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Speaker 1: with New England, to what to get to watch Josh

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Speaker 1: McDaniels and Bill Belichick will operate every day to go

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Speaker 1: from the Cardinals that had the worst offensive line in

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Speaker 1: the league some the worst skill guys in the league

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Speaker 1: for the worst defensive the league, to go to the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: Hey John. Lately, the trend in the NFL has been

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Speaker 1: to get a quarterback then build around him. Specifically, pick

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Speaker 1: a coach who was an offensive minded guy, and he

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Speaker 1: is the mentor to the quarterback. It would appear that

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals are doing the opposite. They haired Cliff and

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Speaker 1: now appear to be getting a quarterback suited to his offense.

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Speaker 1: Top ten quarterback be damned. Okay, I see what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: because they're getting rid of Rosen well, but if they

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Speaker 1: do it with Kyler, they're following the same mold. Is

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Speaker 1: this set up to fail or will teams begin to

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Speaker 1: do this even if it's remotely successful. So you're basically saying,

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Speaker 1: I may be reading this wrong that because Kingsbury didn't

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Speaker 1: have anything to do with Rosen, they want to get

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Speaker 1: have him pick the specific quarterback. I I really think

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Speaker 1: it's as simple as Kyler is a pretty unique quarterback

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Speaker 1: and they didn't give up that much for Josh Rosen.

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Speaker 1: If they had given up two ones to trade up

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Speaker 1: for Josh Rosen, then I think that this would not

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Speaker 1: be happening. But they gave up a third round pick,

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Speaker 1: the middle of the road third round pick. So it's

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Speaker 1: pretty easy to justify in your head, especially if you

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Speaker 1: trade in the Patriots for a second round pick. You

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Speaker 1: go what we traded for him, even though we used

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Speaker 1: the first round er last year, we actually got a

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Speaker 1: decent returned back. We lost big picture of the deal,

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Speaker 1: but it wasn't a major loss. And if Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: is I don't know, Michael Vick a smaller Michael Vick

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Speaker 1: were in pretty good shape. I I think this is

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Speaker 1: just a really really unique situation. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: the if the Arizona Cardinals mold for what they're doing

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Speaker 1: with Cliff Kingsbury now hiring an offensive coach, that won't change,

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Speaker 1: but trade and Josh Rosen a year after you know,

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Speaker 1: being in bed with him, basically, yeah, I think it's

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Speaker 1: just a it's more of an outlier situation that will

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Speaker 1: that is something that's gonna come. The norm uh mail

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Speaker 1: back question. With NFL free agency upon us and the

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Speaker 1: draft closing in, can you explain the compenstory draft pick process.

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Speaker 1: I believe a lot of fans have heard about compics,

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Speaker 1: but few understand. I'm not a cap guy, but I'll

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Speaker 1: give you the cliff note version how I understand it.

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Speaker 1: If I have a free agent, Let's say he's, you know,

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Speaker 1: a right tackle, and another team signs him, and that

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Speaker 1: team makes him the highest right tackle in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: If I replace that player, or just a player of

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Speaker 1: the same value, let's say I signed another position for

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Speaker 1: the same contract or in similar money, they cancel each

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Speaker 1: other out. But if I let four or five players

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Speaker 1: walk and a couple of signed huge deals, and I

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Speaker 1: do not sign any free agents, well then I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: get really good comp picks that they start in third round.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's based on who you sign and

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Speaker 1: what you let walk and how close it is to

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Speaker 1: being even if you obviously, if you signed a lot

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Speaker 1: of players and don't let any want walk, you won't

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Speaker 1: get any If you let a couple of players go

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Speaker 1: but they don't make that money, but you also signed players,

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Speaker 1: then you don't get picks. So I think it's all

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Speaker 1: dependent on who you sign, how much money you signed

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Speaker 1: them for, who you let go, how much money they

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Speaker 1: signed for and how it balances out. The Baltimore Ravens

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Speaker 1: typically don't sign many free agents, but every year they

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Speaker 1: have multiple guys that signed big deals away from their team.

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Speaker 1: That's why they always end up with multiple third round picks.

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Speaker 1: Like last year the Patriots let Malcolm Butler walk. Well

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Speaker 1: who they replace them with. They already had players on

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Speaker 1: the roster. They signed mccordy's brother, but maybe they traded

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Speaker 1: for him. They didn't really sign anybody. They got Trent Brown,

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Speaker 1: but they traded for him. That's why they get cop

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Speaker 1: picked pretty high because they had a big free agent

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Speaker 1: leave and they didn't balance it out. So I think

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Speaker 1: it's all about balance on the books. So it's trying

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Speaker 1: to don't quote me on this, and maybe a cap

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Speaker 1: guy would think differently, but it's like, uh, it's trying

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Speaker 1: to keep an equal playing field for teams that lose

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Speaker 1: free agents, even if you can't afford to keep them.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just helps competitive balance, which is cool,

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Speaker 1: and it's just it's a good thing for the league.

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Speaker 1: But it's also they don't start too high. Third round

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Speaker 1: to me feels about right. Appreciate everyone listening, have a

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Speaker 1: good weekend. Keep keep the questions coming. Middlecop mail Bag

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Speaker 1: at John Middlecoff. Slide up in those d M s uh.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the weekend. We got free agency starting next week,

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Speaker 1: so we'll be we'll be coming out guns of blazing

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Speaker 1: Audie see it