1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: I'm Manny, I'm Noah, and this is no such thing. 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: On today's episode, we're trying to find out if it's 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: possible to cure picky eating. No, there's no no such thing. 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 2: Such a thing than. 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: This episode is in collaboration with the search Engine podcast 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: hosted by p J vote Uh. It was a lot 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: of fun to do and we're just gonna let them 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: take it away from here. 9 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 3: Do you guys want to introduce yourselves? 10 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely. My name is Manny, I'm Noah. 11 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 3: And this is Devon and search Engine listeners may remember you. 12 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 3: You guys were on the show previously. Usually we answer 13 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 3: people's questions. You guys showed up with a question which 14 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 3: you then answered, which was. 15 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, why are there so many chicken bones on the streets? 16 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 3: It was it was an investigation. People honestly still email 17 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: me about people. I think there are just Americans now 18 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 3: who walk down the streets, see a chicken bone, and 19 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 3: think about these three unusual gentlemen from New York. 20 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 4: We answered this. 21 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: I love to hear that. 22 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 4: We got an email last week about it. 23 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 5: Really Yeah, someone sent us a picture of a chicken bone. 24 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: Not that the like. We were still doing research for 25 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: the episode I think. 26 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: Since that first story published a year ago, Manny, Noah, 27 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 3: and Devin have started their own podcast. They answer questions 28 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 3: something I was pretty sure we completely invented, but whatever. 29 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 3: I think the reason their show is so good is 30 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 3: their excellent question choosing the big questions that come out 31 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 3: of their arguments. These three are always arguing about stuff 32 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 3: like do audiobooks count as reading? Do horses hate running? Well? 33 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: Actually, today an episode came out called is it okay 34 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: to wear your outside clothes on your bed? Oh? 35 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: I've been Uh, I've been criticized for this quite a bit. 36 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: Ye, I'll ask you, do you think it's okay? 37 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of things I do that 38 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 3: I don't think are okay, But I will I go 39 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 3: to bed like I don't know the people you're talking 40 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 3: about have discussing are But I'm definitely worse than that. 41 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: Like I will get in bed, I will sleep in 42 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 3: my jeans. 43 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: That's an extreme case. That's pretty nasty. 44 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 3: It's disgusting. I mean why because I don't. 45 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 4: Like, you have really comfortable jeans. 46 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: They're not they're like they are like jeggings, or like 47 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: they're not they're broken in. 48 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: I'll they're very broken, just like by the end of 49 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 3: the day, the exertion of literally I sometimes I just 50 00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 3: don't have it anyway. The reason the Chicken Bone Squad 51 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: was back here today was because once again they had 52 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 3: a question for our show which they wanted to find 53 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 3: the answer to, a question we hear at search Engine 54 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 3: found particularly delightful. 55 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: Today. We have a problem, and I'm grateful to be 56 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: able to use this platform again to answer something so stupid. 57 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: But I'm a member of the picky eating community and 58 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: that's OK. That's run into a lot of issues in 59 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: this friend group. It's run into a lot of issues 60 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: in my relationship, specifically because my version of pickie eating 61 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: is an aversion. 62 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 3: To seafood across the board, No, seafood. 63 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much across the board. 64 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 6: Yeah. 65 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 3: That's like, are you a lifelong picky eater? 66 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: Yeah? 67 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: And it's just has it been the same versions since 68 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 3: you were a kid or have you developed, Like as 69 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 3: your palette has advanced, has your pickiness also advanced? 70 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:59,119 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think it's been lifelong, especially with seafood. I 71 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: am to tell you a layout a little bit about 72 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: like my background, so I'm eritrean American. Both my parents 73 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: are from Eritrea, and in that cuisine there's really no 74 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: seafood at all. Unless you are from one of the 75 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: port towns on the Red Sea, you don't eat seafood. 76 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: So I didn't grow up with any seafood. The only 77 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: seafood exposure I had was like at elementary school or 78 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: middle school where they would have like the fish Fridays 79 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: or fried shrimp or whatever. 80 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 3: But so, would you eat the fried shrimp when you're 81 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: a kid? 82 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: I did, but I didn't know what it was because. 83 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: It is always carrying the weight. 84 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is what struck me about this aversion because 85 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't the taste at the time, because it's knowing 86 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: what it is is what made me. 87 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 3: I understand it, don't. I don't find pickiness in food 88 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 3: consumption strange, and like I like seafood, but there was 89 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: like I had a couple of years with shrimp all 90 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 3: the sudder. It's like I'm not doing that, and then 91 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: it came back because they're like they are like insects. 92 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 3: It's like you're eating this like weird fat worm that 93 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 3: has like that visible poop in it. 94 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yes. 95 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: And my family ends up being a good exam for 96 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: this because although none of my siblings grew up eating fish, 97 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: they all love fish, Okay, they like it. Now there 98 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: are another group of people who I'm running into this 99 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: issue with. We cannot go out to eat and get 100 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: what they want to get because I'm there. 101 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 3: And what are the conversations around this, Like they're. 102 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: Like stop being Yeah, I won't use the words. Basically, 103 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: I'm like being a child and like preventing them from 104 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: getting what they want to get. And I'll just say this, like, 105 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: for the picky eaters out there, I don't think you 106 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: should change who you are. But for me specifically, I'm 107 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: running into this enough to where I'm curious about whether 108 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: it's possible to cure your picky eating. I want to 109 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: know if, like, is there something I can do to 110 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: make it so that I can tolerate fish enough to 111 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: be able to be at a restaurant and not cause 112 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: any issues when I'm ordering in a group or with myro. 113 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 3: And is the idea that you'll let like actually consume it. 114 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like the ultimately, like it'd be great 115 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: if I was just towing down on like any kind 116 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: of fish, shrimp, tuna, whatever, But mostly I just want 117 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: to be able to exist in this restaurant space and 118 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: like not be a hindrance to people who you know, 119 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: in New York, it's a lot of money, so to 120 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: go out to eat. If you're paying that much money 121 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 1: and you're not eating what you want to eat, I 122 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: feel like I don't want to be an obstacle to, 123 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: you know, someone's desires. Okay, So that's the question that 124 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: we came here to answer, like is it possible to 125 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: cure picky eating? And we started with Noah. We had 126 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: him kind of look into the history of picky eating 127 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: and some of the stuff people have done to try 128 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: and cure it. 129 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, So what I found was the kind of idea 130 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 6: of even just choosing what you eat is actually a 131 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 6: pretty recent historical phenomenon. I mean, you can imagine most 132 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 6: people just had to eat whatever was given to them 133 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 6: throughout history. So I mean, like the term picky eating 134 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 6: didn't even exist until the seventies, or wasn't used until 135 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 6: the seventies. But there has been kind of this war 136 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 6: between picky children and their parents for probably since like 137 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,679 Speaker 6: the eighteen hundreds, so I mean for the past century 138 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 6: or so, parents and doctors have been trying all sorts 139 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 6: of ways to cure this modern affliction. There's all sorts 140 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 6: of cookbooks designed to help parents sneak healthy foods into recipes. 141 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 6: The kids might actually try things like spinach and browniesie, Yeah, 142 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 6: which is pretty perverse. I feel like, yeah, there's probably 143 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 6: some better ways to do it. Hopefully, you know, maybe 144 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 6: new technology is helping this. I hope hypnotherapy is actually 145 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 6: a popular method for that's for both children and adults. 146 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 6: So maybe Manny can try that. 147 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to. 148 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 6: But one of the most common, and definitely the one 149 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 6: I was most familiar with, is what i'd call forced exposure. So, 150 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 6: all right, you hate some food, but if we just 151 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 6: kind of force you to eat it or be around it, 152 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 6: then maybe eventually you're just kind of give in and 153 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 6: up to that. This is a decent food to eat. 154 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 3: And common because it's uh successful, or common because it's 155 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 3: just what every parent defaults do. 156 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 7: Yeah. 157 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 6: I think it's just kind of an obvious thing to try. 158 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 6: It's also very popular on daytime TV. 159 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 3: Daytime TV. 160 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, so shows like Maury. I mean, you could find 161 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 6: a lot of examples of this. It makes for great 162 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 6: TV fodder, you can imagine. So I want to show 163 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 6: you a clip. 164 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 3: Actually, okay, this is Mariah. 165 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: She's eighteen years old and she is deathly afraid of pickles. 166 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: I mean, the whole world eats pickles. 167 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: There's a woman who looks like she just found out 168 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 3: she's dying. She's shaking school. 169 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 2: Was called the pickle Girl. 170 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 3: And then they're presenting her with trays and trays and 171 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 3: trays of pickles. 172 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: This is what the side of a pickle does to Mariah. 173 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 4: Everything about pickles? 174 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 3: Are is it crazy? What every idea you have has 175 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 3: been done by someone in a umermeanor. 176 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 2: We wanted to see firsthand the extent of Mariah's pickle phobio, 177 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 2: so we sent her to the Patterson Pickle Factory, where 178 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: she would come face to face with thousands of thousands 179 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: of pickle maris. 180 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 6: A saydust, listen, if Mariah the Pickle Girl is out there, 181 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 6: I would love to hear you know where you are 182 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 6: now and kind of what your life has been like. 183 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 3: It seems like being on Maury being humiliated for having 184 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 3: a very unusual psychological response to pickles is so much 185 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 3: worse than the problem she was trying to solve. 186 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, So like need just to say at the end 187 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 6: of the segment, the pickle girl is still very much 188 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 6: afraid of pickles, and like the research says, forced exposure 189 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 6: therapy like that just doesn't actually work right. 190 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 3: Stacking the thing people have a problem with in their 191 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 3: face over and over response is like good daytime TV. 192 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 6: But yeah, so we could have just take Manny to 193 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 6: some factory and hope it would go away. But we 194 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 6: tried to find a scientist who had studied this kind 195 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 6: of stuff. So we actually came across the professor at 196 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 6: Duke University, who is one of the first people to 197 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 6: really hone in and look at picky eating in a 198 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 6: comprehensive way. 199 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: We wanted to first just ask if you could say 200 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: your name and what you do. 201 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 7: My name is Nancy Zooker, and I am a professor 202 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 7: of psychiatry at Duke University and I direct the Duke 203 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 7: Center for Eating Disorders. 204 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: Great, I'll tell you a little bit about my experience 205 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: with this. Yeah, I've been a picky eater my whole life. 206 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: I have a specific aversion to seafood and fish, and 207 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: so what we're kind of planning to do with this 208 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: episode is cure that as best as we can. And 209 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: so you know, you did just mention that you worked 210 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: at the Center for Eating Disorders. I guess my first 211 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: question is do I have an eating disorder? 212 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? 213 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 7: You know, so the boundary in which being a picky 214 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 7: eater is defined as a disorder is based on impairment. 215 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 7: And so if you're a version to fish, does it 216 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 7: include seaf food like shrimp skeleton? 217 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, all of it, all of it, the whole lot 218 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: of it. 219 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 7: Right, So like if you were I suppose I'm aspiring 220 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 7: New York chef and it was getting in your way 221 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 7: of kind of designing the menu of your dreams, then 222 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 7: it might be, you know, crossing over into impairment. But 223 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 7: if it doesn't get in your way, then it probably 224 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 7: wouldn't cost. The lines of a. 225 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: Disorder interesting, So it's kind of the same way we're 226 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 3: defining like depression or alcoholism. Like whether behavior rises the 227 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 3: level of disorder has to do with how well you're 228 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 3: able to fit in society exactly, And how we draw 229 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 3: the line between picky eating and disordered eating is like 230 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 3: how much it's impairing your relationship to society, Which is 231 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 3: funny because it's like I'm not going to disagree with psychiatry, 232 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: but like I slightly disagree with that where I'm like, 233 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: but we kind of do know, Like there's a difference 234 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 3: between like, oh, I have an aversion and like, oh, 235 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 3: it's like a deep psychological pain. Like it feels like 236 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 3: an insufficient way to describe the severity of the problem, 237 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 3: but I'll allow it. 238 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, man is not so extreme as in like he 239 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 5: goes out to eat with us, and he can be 240 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 5: in a presence of seafood. But some people don't even 241 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 5: want to be. You can't smell it, you can't look 242 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 5: at it right, Like. 243 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: But I do feel disgusted by like fish, just like 244 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: when they're alive, Like they're slippery and squirmy, and in 245 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: the world, I'm not gonna throw up, but I'm like 246 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: a live fish. Yeah, a beautiful school of fish that 247 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: disturbs you. There are some I get it. 248 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 4: No, I don't. 249 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 3: Sorry, I'll defend you against your friends. Man, he's talking 250 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 3: about you're on the beach on vacation. You're standing, the 251 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 3: water's up like your thighs and something like something rushes 252 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: on your leg is something squirmy and black kind of squirrels. 253 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: Thank you. 254 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 4: Did you go to aquariums as a kid? Yeah, so 255 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 4: you were just like, oh, this. 256 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: Is giant fish are different. 257 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 4: Oh, you don't like small fish. 258 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: There's the little ones that are like skiming something like. 259 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 3: The famous spots of fish. 260 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 7: Yeah. 261 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 3: But so you wouldn't like if you're out for dinner 262 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 3: with your girlfriend and like a waiter walked by with 263 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 3: a you know, a plate full of like shrimp on 264 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 3: a kebab, you don't care. But if you're with your 265 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 3: friends and they're being jerks and they like picked up 266 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 3: a shrimp and dangled in your face, you would feel discussed. 267 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be like, get get it, get that out 268 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: of my face. 269 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 270 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: So I asked doctor Zucker to explain to me, like, 271 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: what's what's going on with this disgust factor, Like why 272 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: is that happening? 273 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 7: So disgust is a really cool emotion in my opinion. Right, 274 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 7: So it's designed to protect us from getting contaminated from pathogens. Right. 275 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 7: So it has a very protective function. And so when 276 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 7: you think about how one becomes contaminated, we get contaminated 277 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 7: when something crosses a body barrier. We ingest it, we 278 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 7: inhale it, we absorb it through our skin across the 279 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 7: some orifice, and by the time it does that, you're 280 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 7: contaminated and it's too late, and so there should be 281 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 7: these cues that people who are discussed sensitive pick ups. 282 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 7: You mentioned slimy, right, these kind of things that just 283 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 7: look to us like they're threatening and they could cause 284 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 7: us to be contaminated. And you know, it's interesting that 285 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 7: it's restricted to that one area. I would guess that 286 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 7: you're pretty detailed sensitive in other things like that. You 287 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 7: notice like visual details of things. 288 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: Like textbo Oh, yeah, I'm really observant. I'm a video producer, 289 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: and so that's kind of like part of my whole thing. 290 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: It's ruined to movies for me. Actually, I can't watch 291 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: movies like a normal person anymore. 292 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 7: Oh, it wasn't that so interesting, right? So I just 293 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 7: I think that that's like a cool adaptive trait that 294 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 7: might not be as adaptive to the modern environment. But 295 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 7: like if you are a cave dweller back in the day, 296 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 7: perhaps you would have outlasted your peers. 297 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 3: It's interesting, Mannie. It's like you have a brain that 298 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 3: is suited for being a cavebeller, where it's like avoid 299 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 3: unfamiliar foods at all costs because they could be poison. 300 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 3: And it's like sending you the right signals. But the 301 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 3: problem is we're in a world where everything we want 302 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 3: to do is just fit in socially, and the fact 303 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 3: that your poison avoiding brain is telling you not to 304 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 3: eat fish is causing you like three percent social friasion, 305 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 3: which is the worst thing that could happen in modern society. 306 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, yeah, I think my ex once 307 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: described me as someone who had a brain suited to 308 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: be a cave dweller's that's not the first time I've 309 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: heard that comment, actually, But I was interested in why 310 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: Devin and Noah don't have the same problem that I do. 311 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: So that's interesting in terms of my experience. But Devin 312 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: and Noah here love fish. Why isn't their body telling 313 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: them to avoid fish? 314 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 7: Well, because it's pretty adaptive to eat fish, right, Like, 315 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 7: not everything's contaminated. So there needs to be this kind 316 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 7: of balance of like people that have kind of a 317 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 7: low bar for trying out things and adventuring and testing 318 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 7: things out and seeing if it's okay. So there should 319 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 7: be variation in the population about kind of one sensitivity 320 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 7: to these different features. So you got some people taking 321 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 7: risks like your friends, and you know you who is 322 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 7: kind of holding back and saying like, you guys, try 323 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 7: it first. 324 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 5: So what's interesting is that doctor Zucker actually did a 325 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 5: study a few years ago with twenty thousand self described 326 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 5: picky eaters. 327 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 3: Oh wow. 328 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 5: And part of what they were trying to figure out 329 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 5: what the study, especially with her work with kids, it's like, 330 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 5: what are the things that your parents did that helped 331 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 5: with your pick eating? And what are some of the 332 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 5: things that they did that like really fucked you up? 333 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 4: But she said, the. 334 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 5: Things that are helpful are like creating positive experiences with 335 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 5: your kids, involving them and prepping the food. Like one 336 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 5: example they had is like introducing cultures with food as 337 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 5: a way to introduce new foods to kids. 338 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 3: Oh like the culture from which the food. 339 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 5: Exactly, like giving some background on it, making it feel 340 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 5: more like an experience. 341 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, versus here's this thing in front of you, eat 342 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 4: it now. 343 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 3: So it sounds like basically since we were kids, the 344 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 3: it's like the picky eating, like literature has progressed, like 345 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 3: the fuel of getting kids to eat things that might 346 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 3: be unfamiliar or weird like people, because I don't think 347 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 3: like like my parents or most of those parents were 348 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 3: reading books that were like sit your kids table with 349 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 3: the plan roc they tell everyone's crying, but like, gods 350 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 3: are their parents? Does that's what they were doing? And it's 351 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 3: like people have actually thought about this, and like psychiatry 352 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 3: has approached this, and like we have ideas about what 353 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 3: to do. 354 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 5: Exactly interesting but honestly the coolest thing about doctor Zucker 355 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 5: and her team and they take all this data, all 356 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 5: this information that they gather, and then they apply it 357 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 5: to individual plans for individual people. So we asked her, Hey, 358 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 5: we're putting together a plan for Manny. Can you help 359 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 5: us sort of shape what that plan looks like. 360 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 7: So this is very simplistic, but like I have a 361 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 7: grid where it's like, you know, sweet and salty is, 362 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 7: let's say, on the X axis, and like chewy and 363 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 7: crunchy is on the y access And so like, Manny, 364 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 7: if you were to like plot the foods that you 365 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 7: currently prefer and eat, you know on this you can 366 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 7: get the picture right, like, you know, is there a 367 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 7: kind of a pattern in terms of the textures and 368 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 7: tastes that you prefer? 369 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 5: So basically her advice was like, try to introduce fish 370 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 5: in a format that many might already like. So maybe 371 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 5: like a fish dish that's crunchy and salty, you know 372 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 5: that sort of thing. 373 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 7: You know, like parents will often start with like fish 374 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 7: sticks for example. You know, like things like that are 375 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 7: like really really crispy shrimp because there's more breading to fish. 376 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 7: You know, you guys get the picture. 377 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: She basically said, like start with fried foods or put 378 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: it in a sandwich. 379 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 3: Like she said, just putand just. 380 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: Like because I'm already used to eating sandwiches and I 381 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: like sandwiches. Like maybe if you do a fish sandwich, 382 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: this is like a very entry level way. 383 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, things that can help mask the fishiness. 384 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: Yes, or fried foods. Get do some fried fish, fish 385 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 1: and chips. 386 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, fried fish. We're testing them. 387 00:18:58,760 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 4: Fish sandwich. 388 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: Maybe she didn't say sandwich. Maybe that it's an example 389 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: the doc. 390 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 5: And she also said like you should be realistic about 391 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 5: what you're going to do, right, Like first step shouldn't 392 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 5: be like I'm going to eat a hundred. 393 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 4: Bites of this fish. 394 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, She's like ticket one bite at a time, small bites, 395 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 5: like take the keys that your body is giving you 396 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 5: as well. 397 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 7: You know, like I would really do this, like be 398 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 7: gentle with yourself. Think about like how many bites I 399 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 7: want to kind of manage Do I want to just 400 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 7: get over that initial gag and call it a day. 401 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 4: She's like, you should have a chaser. 402 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 7: I would absolutely have a chaser. 403 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like a shot of whiskey or something. Yeah, 404 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: or like. 405 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 7: Another a bite of food. I work with five year olds, 406 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 7: for gosh sakes, like chocolate chips. You know. 407 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 3: My views this like ends with you guys that like 408 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 3: in all you can eat seafood restaurant and you're just 409 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 3: hammered like vomiting. Yeah, you could drink your way through 410 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 3: a lot of things. 411 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: Not the purpose of this whiskey is to clear the taste. 412 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, kind of reset. Okay, yeah yeah, that feel good. 413 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: So she gave us a few tips that were, you know, 414 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: smart and reasonable. But what I really wanted to know 415 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: before diving in was, you know, as a doctor, did 416 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: she think this experiment could work? Do I have a 417 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: real shot at curing this? 418 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 7: I think that the odds are in your favor, And 419 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 7: I'll tell you why. One is because it is restricted 420 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 7: to this one domain, You're able to tolerate the look 421 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 7: and smell of it and be around it. Right, So 422 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 7: that's another kind of clue that it's not as severe 423 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 7: as it could be. You're highly motivated to work on this, 424 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 7: which means that you're going to go into it with 425 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 7: your threat kind of perception down and be more kind. 426 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: Of just curious about it. 427 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 7: And you're doing it for your girlfriend, which is just lovely. 428 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 7: And so there's like all the things that would be 429 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 7: rooting for you to be able to get through this 430 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 7: or on your side. 431 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 3: After a short break a series of trials and experiments, 432 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 3: will Manny be able to cure his picky eating? Welcome 433 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 3: back to the show. 434 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: So after talking to doctor Zucker, you know, I felt 435 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: a little bit more confident about our goals here, still 436 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: a little skeptical, but like we have a plan now 437 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: we have this experiment, and so Noah, Devin and I 438 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: thought it's finally time to do this thing which is right, 439 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: which was three steps of fishy meals and increasing fishiness. 440 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: All right, this is Manny. I've just sat down with 441 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: the first of three increasingly fishy meals. I recorded everything 442 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: along the way. Uh, we just jumped straight into step one, 443 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: which you know, I found myself sitting in my apartment 444 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: with some takeout. There is a restaurant by me in 445 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: my neighborhood that's kind of moderately popular, and it's a 446 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: seafood restaurant and I've ordered their fried fish sandwich. It's 447 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: a spicy fried fish sandwich. 448 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 3: So you were thinking fried fish sandwich, because again, fried 449 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 3: is a dominant flavor, yes, and sandwich. 450 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: Also also the sandwichwich. It's in a vehicle that I 451 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: know and love. 452 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 3: You're mainly eating like fish inflected bread. 453 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: That's what I would like to hope. Okay, Yeah, So 454 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there examining the sandwich. I am touching it, 455 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: I'm smelling it, I'm assessing it. Generally, my first kind 456 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: of thought is that it looks exactly like a fried 457 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: chicken sandwich, and for that reason, I think all of 458 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: the receptors in my brain are are saying, Wow, this 459 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: looks really good, and it smells good as well. Crucially, though, 460 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna try to see if it tastes good or 461 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: tastes good specifically to me. And so yeah, let's take 462 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: this first bite. And the first bite is great because 463 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: there's no fish in it. You're just I just got 464 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: the fried park and I'm like, oh wait. As I 465 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: look at the sandwich, I'm like, oh, there's the fish. 466 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: Definitely fish. I can already tell my jaw is like 467 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,719 Speaker 1: slowing down, like my brain does not want me to 468 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,719 Speaker 1: continue chewing this, but I'm gonna fight through it. 469 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 3: Did you gag? 470 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: I didn't gag. I think because there's spices in the 471 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: fried part are so like they were so savory, and 472 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: they were so what's the word, they smelled really good 473 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: and I didn't. I don't know. I think it just 474 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: masked the fishiness. I kind of like barely taste the 475 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: fish in this, but I still do taste the fish, 476 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: and so that is my body is just kind of 477 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: like it is not enjoying that part of this, the fish. 478 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 3: So it tasted grows. But it was kind of a 479 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 3: success in that you were able to like, like people 480 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 3: eat food they don't like all the time. That's that's 481 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 3: different than having a disgust reaction. 482 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I ate a few more bites. I think. 483 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: I mean, if if you guys looked at the sandwich 484 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: like you didn't touch this thing. But for someone who 485 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: has an aversion, I ate a lot of the sandwich. 486 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 6: Yeah. I think if we were we weren't with many 487 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 6: when he ate the sandwich, I think if we were there, 488 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 6: we probably would have forced a few more bites, which 489 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 6: is probably against the wisdom of the doctoral. 490 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 3: As like parenting the nineteen eighties. 491 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I school. 492 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 3: The sandwich were like a moon, Like what phase of 493 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 3: moon would it be? Like, there's full moon, there's moon. 494 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: Oh, we're talking pretty close to full where's about to. 495 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 4: Come right bright? 496 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 3: Yeah? 497 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 4: Maybe the night before a full moon? 498 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 7: You know. 499 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm seeing. 500 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: The night before. No, but I think what I took 501 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: to be a success was that I even ate part 502 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: of a thing that was touching fish. 503 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, yeah, So step one we could generously call 504 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 6: a success, so we wanted to up the difficulty level 505 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 6: a little bit. 506 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: For step two. 507 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 6: We decided to do a home cooked meal. Yeah we're 508 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 6: outside welcome, So Devin and I were going to cook. 509 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 6: So we got some ingredients and went to Mandy's place. 510 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 6: It's our and Devin and I had googled a few 511 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 6: different fish recipes to consider. 512 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 4: Do you remember to search terms we used, Yeah, I 513 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 4: mean like. 514 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 6: Fish for babies, like easy, easy fish recipes for kids, 515 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 6: things like that. 516 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: Just insulting. 517 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, a lot of it was pretty simple, kind 518 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 6: of either whitefish or salmon roasted in butter and kind 519 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 6: of covered in garlic or other things. Yeah, fish tacos, sheep, 520 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 6: pan fish, and chips. But we wanted something that wasn't 521 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 6: super fried. We wanted to kind of step it up 522 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 6: a little bit so we'd actually kind of see if 523 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 6: he can take this next step or if we're kind 524 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 6: of still stuck at the fried fish stage. And we 525 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 6: landed on a recipe that I've made several times before 526 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 6: from the New York Times, Roasted salmon glazed with brown 527 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 6: sugar and mustard. 528 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 3: Damn had it. 529 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 6: It's Sam sifted and it's a very popular one. 530 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 4: It's really good and it's super easy. 531 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 6: It's like you don't even need the recipe really Yeah, 532 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 6: And what was good was you could dial in the 533 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 6: kind of sweetness of the sauce and how much there is. 534 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 535 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 6: So it's brown sugar and Dijon mustard. 536 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 4: Almost like barbecue sauce on the tread. 537 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 6: So let's see, this one on the left is going 538 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 6: to be the one for Manny. So I'm gonna make 539 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 6: sure that one's extra sauce. 540 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: We added way more glaze than whatever. Noah had any 541 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: taste the glaze, and I was like, we're gonna need more, 542 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: yeah more so. 543 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 6: Yeah, it was pretty covered. We made sautee green beans 544 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 6: as a palate cleanser, and he had whiskey on the 545 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 6: rocks as his other palate cleanser. 546 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: Right, I'm here with my whiskey that I'm probably gonna 547 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 1: need after this. This looks worse while I'm going in, 548 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: so then I ate some of it, and the glaze 549 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: was really good, and I remember kind of being like, 550 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: this is the first time I could see why someone 551 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: would like this. Really, it's it's like this tastes good. 552 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to say that it doesn't taste good. 553 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: It's more of the it's more of the like mental 554 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: factor of like trying to get past what it is. 555 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: But I will say this, I'm having an easier time 556 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: eating this than the fish sandwich. Really, I was taken 557 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: aback by the feeling of like, oh I can I 558 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: kind of get it. I get this. 559 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 3: It's like the feeling you get with like an unfamiliar genre, 560 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 3: Like the first time you hear like a country song, 561 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 3: you like, oh yeah, right, it might not be for me. 562 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, the guys singing about his rent is too high 563 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, wait, my rent is too high. That 564 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: is pretty much the feeling I had eating this salmon. 565 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 3: Okay, so phase two relatively successful. Yeah, can I just 566 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 3: observe that I don't know if, like if like picky 567 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 3: eating is mainly just a social problem, Like it's not 568 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 3: like you have some food deficiency for not even fish 569 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 3: or whatever. You just I understand that you guys are 570 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 3: trying to solve this problem partly because like you have 571 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 3: a podcast to make and you have a question for 572 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 3: the podcast whatever. You just have very nice friends, like 573 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 3: the legs that you guys are willing to go, Yeah, 574 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 3: to make this work is very sweet. 575 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: And yeah, no I thought about that. It's and it's 576 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: in stark contrast to how our usual dynamic is. And 577 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: so I was struck by that at some point during 578 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: this experiment. 579 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 3: Even because they weren't just like teasing you. 580 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Noah looking up a recipe making me 581 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: a meal. I know, it's kind of wild. 582 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 583 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 5: So now that takes us to the real test, which 584 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 5: is step three, going to an actual restaurant to see 585 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 5: how big of a paint of ass is in many. 586 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 4: And honestly, I didn't know how this was gonna go. 587 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 5: Step one two I thought went fine, but I was 588 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 5: curious how many was going to perform and an actual 589 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 5: restaurant with some actual fish dishes. 590 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 4: So where do you guys go? 591 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: We went to a restaurant called Swoonies in Brooklyn. It's 592 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: just like a neighborhood spot. 593 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 4: Oh. 594 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 3: I like Swooties. They have some weird, cool fish dishes there. 595 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 6: I believe that's the fish that's like their main fish entre. 596 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 7: I've never heard of that before. 597 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: Do either of you know what crudo is? 598 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, there were a bunch of fish dishes that we 599 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 5: had never heard of, but we ended up choosing three 600 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 5: of them, and the first one was the tuna krudo. 601 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: Here's the thing about this dish, So tuna crudo, it's raw, 602 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: like cubed tuna, but it's in kind of like a 603 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: salad with like avocado and what is that cilantro. But 604 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: the main part that I liked was that it's served 605 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: with this bread that is incredibly buttery. And so what 606 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: we were doing were put all this stuff onto the 607 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: bread and then eating it. 608 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 3: It's kind of your sandwich theory. 609 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, no one wants to acknowledge the sandwich theory is 610 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: a valid theory. And the one thing I remember is 611 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: not tasting the tuna at all, Like I just didn't 612 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: taste the tuna first reaction, Like, there's definitely a little 613 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: bit of the texture you're getting in there, but it's 614 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: really good. Like the whole thing's really good. I'm taking 615 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: a second bite. It's kind of rare for me a second. 616 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 6: I was shocked because he went in and immediately was 617 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 6: just like, oh, I like this. 618 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 3: I was kind of like, oh, we can. 619 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: Just go now, I mean, we did it. 620 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 6: Shocked by what I'm seeing. Not only does he like it, 621 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 6: He's actively going back for more bites. 622 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: I think we might need to order another entre here. 623 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: This is crazy. So then after the crudo came the 624 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: lobster orizo, which was another advertiser, and it's I mean, 625 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: ores of people don't know what it is, like it's 626 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: pasta kind of but it's like thicker rice, I guess, 627 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: and it's got This one's more of a red sauce 628 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: and it's really creamy and delicious. But the thing that 629 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: I thought helped a lot with our experiment here is 630 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: that you couldn't really see the lobster inside. 631 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 3: It's like hiding spinach in a brownie. 632 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. You're kind of like micro dosing seafood. 633 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 3: But you were finding that your micro dosing seafood experience 634 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 3: was like not just that you were tolerating it, but 635 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 3: enjoying it. 636 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 7: Yeah. 637 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm having a really good and in my 638 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: view successful experience as spoonies. But I do imagine if 639 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: we went to like a lobster shop or something and 640 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: it was just straight up lobster forking knife, you'd still 641 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: have some struggle. 642 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 3: Or if you went too like a Portugese restaurant vertise, 643 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 3: I'll serve you like a whole fish with the eye 644 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 3: looking at Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But I mean like 645 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 3: I don't really like like every time it's a full fish, 646 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 3: this doesn't feel right. Like I'm more on your side 647 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 3: of it, where like fish can be an ingredient, fish 648 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 3: can mean ingredient, and I feel like if the progress 649 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 3: you've made is fish can bet an ingredient, that's progress. 650 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 7: Yeah. 651 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: Honestly, it did feel like progress, like I was actually 652 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: eating the stuff that that they were putting down on 653 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: the table. But then the final dish came out and 654 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: it didn't look like the other ones, like it actually 655 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: just looked like you know, out here, I'll just show 656 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: you a photo. I think I was calling it deraate 657 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: a without knowing, but this, you know, this is just 658 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: literally a fish without the head I. 659 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 3: Think, and without the tail. 660 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, And this was the final test. This is like 661 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: the final boss, right. I took a fork full, I 662 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: examined it, and then I for it. What can I say? 663 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: It's really good, the tar the tarredness of the skin 664 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: on the top. This tastes like a steak. And so 665 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, this is really good, but the. 666 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 3: Way you fully enjoyed, like an actual filet of fish. 667 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: That was really good to me, not fried, not fried, 668 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: And there was very few kind of hang ups about it. 669 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: Five times the term. 670 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny though, you know the process you're describing, 671 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 3: because I feel like you have answered the question like 672 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 3: can you cure picky eating? Like I think you have. 673 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 674 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 3: And I think like most people, if there's like a 675 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 3: kind of cuisine or kind of food that they're a 676 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 3: little bit of verse to because it's unfamiliar, this is 677 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 3: kind of like how they walk in like the first 678 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 3: time you try it. Maybe it's fried, maybe it's an 679 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 3: ingredient something else. Maybe you go to a place that 680 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 3: prepares it really well, and like you just like slowly 681 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 3: get used to something unfamiliar until you discover the pleasure 682 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 3: in it, and then one day you turn around you've 683 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 3: just like changed. 684 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 685 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: I really didn't have any hopes for myself in any 686 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: of these experiments. I really was like, Okay, this is 687 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: kind of a lost cause there is something so I mean, 688 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: this just sounds obvious now, but just like the repetition 689 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: of doing it over and over again until you get 690 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: used to it just like helps a lot. The texture 691 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: of these fish, the fish that I've had in these 692 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 1: past couple of months, I'm used to it now, and. 693 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 3: So I'm okay, So this is a two month process. 694 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 3: For instance, the argument you guys were having, the question 695 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 3: we're trying to answer is can you cure a picky eating? 696 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 3: What do you believe? 697 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 7: Now? 698 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: I think you and at least in my case, you 699 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: can kind of cure it because I'm not going to 700 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: eat fish that's just sitting there, that's not presented in 701 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 1: any kind of way. But depending on like the flavors 702 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: around it, depending on the vehicle it's served in, there 703 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: are ways you can tolerate it. 704 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 6: For my purposes as a bystander, the answer is yes, 705 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 6: because I was shocked when he was taking bites of 706 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 6: this raw too and enjoying it, and I was like, 707 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 6: this is good for me. 708 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 3: And do you feel like I don't want to be 709 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 3: too big a thing out of this, but like, do 710 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 3: you like picky eater is like a trait, Like it's 711 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 3: like one of the aspects of your personality. Do you 712 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 3: feel differently now on the other side of this experience? 713 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's definitely there's like all the corny 714 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: stuff that it's taught me, like how much I can 715 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: personally affect in my life. But there's also other foods 716 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: that I have a picky eating aversions to that I 717 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 1: want to try. Now, what do you want to try? 718 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: Like corn, for example, I just torn hate corn. 719 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 3: Corn. 720 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, what streams you with corn? You know what? It 721 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: is kind of similar to fish in a way that 722 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: it's slimy and like the texture is weird. It's okay 723 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: if it's like sprinkled in a salad or something like that, 724 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: but just like eating it right off of the ear 725 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: is tough, really tough for me. Popcorn Popcorn is fine. 726 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: Corn bread corn bread is great. 727 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 3: Okay, You're gonna be fine. 728 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 4: And how do you guys feel good? 729 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: I'm all enjoyed. 730 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 4: It was nice to see. 731 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 3: Manny, Noah and Devin. 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