1 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: Okay, So I have had the privilege of interviewing a 2 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: ton of people over the years, and there's one name 3 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: that pops up, and I know that my heart and 4 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: soul are going to be filled by what this person says. Now, 5 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: I'm not going to reveal who it is in this 6 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: very second, but I'm going to tell you about him. 7 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: This is a guy who grew up in a very 8 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: difficult childhood. In fact, he said when he would leave 9 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: his room to go out into the living room or 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: the kitchen, he called it a war zone. His parents 11 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: basically called him an idiot or a dumb dog. They 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: thought he was stupid. These are his words, and in reality, 13 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: he was struggling with dyslexia. But at that time people 14 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: didn't know from dyslexia. They just thought their kid wasn't smart. Now, 15 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: imagine yourself for a minute growing up in that kind 16 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: of an environment where you're getting pounded on and pounded 17 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: on and pounded on every day with this you know, 18 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: with your not good enough, you're stupid over and over 19 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: and over. What do you think would happen with your 20 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: life like what happens to a kid like that? Well, 21 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: I would imagine probably the worst a kid who to 22 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: this day doesn't who's now a grown adult who When 23 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: to ask the question, how did you know your parents 24 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: loved you, he says, I don't know. From that place, 25 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: this person found joy that we can all dream of having. 26 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: This is a person when you hear where he is today, 27 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: you will say, oh my gosh, I want to live 28 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: like he lives. He's full of optimism, He's brimming with 29 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: hope and love and curiosity and all the things that 30 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: life's about. He has that in him. He's proof of 31 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: the phrase where you start does not define where you finish. 32 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: So if you're going through a difficult time or you're 33 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: in a terrible circumstance and you think, is joy possible 34 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: for me? It is. The man who I'm describing to 35 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: you is Henry Winkler. You guys know him from playing 36 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: the Fonds on Happy Days. He also won his very 37 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: first Emmy in his seventies for playing the role in 38 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: the show Barry. He is a delight. He gives away 39 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: all of his goodness and compliments and love, and that's 40 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: why his cup stays full. If you want to know 41 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: the secret to where Henry Winkler finds joy and how 42 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 1: he keeps it going every day. You're going to want 43 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: to take note during this podcast. All right, guys, here's 44 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: Henry Winkler. So Henry, as we get started, the first 45 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: thing I have to say to you is because I 46 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: just watched it again, So I'm going to say the 47 00:02:54,960 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: word again. Your commencement address at Emerson. Wow, now stop it. 48 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I know you, I love you. But something 49 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: about that ten minutes, twelve minutes, fourteen minutes, whatever you 50 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: did standing before those students was electrifying. Wow. Will you 51 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: tell me about that moment on stage? Because it seemed 52 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: it just seemed like in a different class. 53 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: I went to Emerson. They were the only college that 54 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: said yes to me out of the twenty eight that 55 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: I applied to. I had great four years there. I 56 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: am now eighty years old, and the things I learned 57 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: that I wish someone had told me. I wanted those 58 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: young people to know. I did not want to say 59 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: you're our future, it's up to you now. I wanted 60 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: to say, you are everything you want to be, and 61 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: it's in you, and now your job is to give 62 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: it to the world. 63 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: You know what's awesome, Henry about you? Someone asked me, 64 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: I was in actually a leadership session with somebody, and 65 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: someone said, tell me your life in eight minutes. Tell 66 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: me your whole life in eight minutes. Nothing you know, 67 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: so you hit like in my case, I hit the highlights. 68 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: What were the highlights to me? My parents were immigrants. 69 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: I got rejected twenty seven times before my first job. 70 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: My kid, you know, you list all the things, and 71 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: I thought, in that speech, you sort of did something similar. 72 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: I didn't realize number one, that you had to squeak 73 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: by with that D minus just to get into Emerson. 74 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: What was the subject? What was the what was the 75 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: tripping point? Geometry? 76 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: But that is only one of the subjects I failed at. Really, 77 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: it's no joke, you know, I couldn't. I saw my 78 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 2: life as at a cylinder of stainless steel with no handholds, 79 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: no footholds, and I tried to pull myself out into 80 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: the sun, and I slipped until I was twenty seven. 81 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: I took a chance and left New York, went to Hollywood, 82 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: tried out for Happy Days, had six lines, and my 83 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: life exploded. 84 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: I want to go back because when I think of 85 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: someone who's an actor, I think of someone who is confident. 86 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: I would think of someone who's all their childhood goodness 87 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: was poured into them so that they could get up 88 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: in front of other people in face rejection. They were strong. 89 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: Your childhood was not that. Your childhood was the opposite 90 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: of that. 91 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 2: That is that is true? Oh, here it is. That's 92 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: what I learned. You just have to go and dig 93 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 2: deep because it is in you already. You don't need that. 94 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: Although that is lovely, let me say, I mean, there 95 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: are people who talk to me in the airport, on 96 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: the street, in the airplane, in the new country, in 97 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: the anywhere, and it feels amazing. But your power is 98 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: there is It comes with you as you come into 99 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 2: the world with these tiny little fingers that grow in fierce, 100 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 2: tiny little fingers. 101 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: I like that. I was listening to you with Michelle Obama, 102 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: which by the way, was also beautiful, And I'd heard 103 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,679 Speaker 1: you describe your childhood, but I never heard you describe 104 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: it this way. You said, when you stepped out of 105 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: your room, it felt like a war zone. What did 106 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: that mean? 107 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: Okay? So oh, On the one hand, I really do understand. 108 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: My parents came from Nazi Germany. They left everything behind. 109 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: They started a new life, they a new language, a job, 110 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: they gave us, my sister and I a life. But 111 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: somewhere in that journey, their psyche was beaten to a pulp. 112 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 2: And every time I left my room, opened the door, 113 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: to walk to the kitchen, to walk to the living room, 114 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: it was chaos. It was damage to it was an attack. 115 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: What was So's mean? Scary? Horrible about walking out there? 116 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: What do you mean? 117 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: They did not? I now understand. As a parent, you 118 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: hear your child, you see your child, you just step 119 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 2: back and look at this human being who didn't ask 120 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,119 Speaker 2: to be here. You gave birth to that human being, 121 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: and you look at them and they are clear. My 122 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: parents had no vision. They had no child vision. I 123 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 2: was supposed to be, I was bred to be. I didn't. 124 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 2: I was an embarrassment. I didn't do well in school. 125 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: Oh could you do this? I speak eleven languages? Oh really, dad? 126 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: Well that's hey, good for you, because dyslexia is hereditarian. 127 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: You passed it on. 128 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 1: But hey, but so you didn't know. For people who 129 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: don't know this, you didn't know you were dyslexic. You 130 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: just thought you weren't doing Yeah, God, that's the strong word. 131 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: What did your dad call you? Which? Man? 132 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: I'm dog? 133 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: Wow. 134 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, And they're no joking. I mean they literally Look, 135 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: I take all of the total of the achievement and 136 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: the courage and the pain of my parents. What I 137 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 2: cannot abide is what I just said. You see the 138 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 2: child in front of you. You might not be able 139 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: to define the problem, you might not be able to 140 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: fix the problem, but you know there's a problem, and 141 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: then you act accordingly. I see you're in trouble. I'm 142 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: going to try and make your moment easier. Not you 143 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: go to your oom. You're going to not and you're 144 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: going to get geometry. 145 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 1: Who who was there for you, Henry during that time? 146 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: Who was the person me? 147 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: Oh, I don't I don't remember anybody. I don't remember. 148 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: I never had real grandparents. I never had a lot 149 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 2: of auntswer or uncles because they were all taken. There 150 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 2: is a plant in my garden that is a spider plant, 151 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: and that spider plant was on our window sill cuttings, 152 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: and that original spider plant came out of Germany into 153 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 2: a coffin at the feet of Anna Kulmann, my faux aunt. 154 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: But she was smuggled out of Germany in a coffin, 155 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: and we all had cuttings. I took a cutting when 156 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 2: I came here to California. It's in my garden, it's 157 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 2: in my children's garden, and it just keeps rejuvenating, which 158 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: is one of the lessons I learned in life. 159 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: So you squeak through high school, you make it to Emerson. 160 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: Did things start clicking at Emerson? 161 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: No, not there either, Sophomore, I'm my major is theorem. 162 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 2: My dreams to be an actor. I talk about it, 163 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: I dream it, I lie awake at night. I and 164 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 2: I went into my class because that's half of me. 165 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: The other half is Oh, mister Sensenbach, I'm so sorry. 166 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 2: I'm going to try something new. I'm going to read 167 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 2: the Shakespearean scene and acted at the same time. And 168 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: he said, not in my class, You're not You were 169 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 2: supposed to memorize it. I was kicked out of my major. 170 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: Oh no, So then what happened? 171 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: I talked my way back in. 172 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: Of course you did? Of course you did? So did 173 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: was memorization? I know reading was impossible? Was memorization hard 174 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: to okay? 175 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: So the way I figured that out? So God giveth 176 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: and God taketh away, So I can't read? You know? 177 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: My joke is the Tale of True Cities. You know. 178 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: I read the cover and it's not even a joke. 179 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: So if I read it slowly, I eventually could rub 180 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: the script on my body and it would go in. 181 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: I had this amazing ability. When I auditioned. I would 182 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 2: I would memorize as much as I could go in. 183 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 2: And when I got to the end of what I memorized, 184 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: I improvised ah, and they said, excuse me, that's not what 185 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: we wrote. And I said, I'm giving you the essence 186 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: of the care character. If I get it, I'll do 187 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 2: it verbatim. 188 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: If I get it, I'll do is that what happened 189 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: with the Fawns and Happy Days? 190 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: Everybody everywhere? Max? Who is that? Our youngest son. The 191 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: director was here when I was going over my audition 192 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 2: for Barry, and he directed me in my audition and 193 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: I started to have lib and he said, Dad, respect 194 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: the writermation point. 195 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to hear about Barry. I want to 196 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: hear about all that. I want to hear about Happy 197 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: Days though, So you go in this character Fawns has 198 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: how many lines? You said? 199 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 2: Six? 200 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: Six? So he wasn't supposed to be anybody but somebody 201 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: who dipped in and dipped out. 202 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 2: That's right. 203 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,719 Speaker 1: So when you go in for the audition, or when 204 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: you go in for whatever, what do the what is 205 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: the director? What do they want you to do? 206 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: I go in and there are eleven people in the room. 207 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 2: Marshall ed, milchis Tom Miller, the three the triumphrant who 208 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: created happy Days. And I the greatest thing that happened 209 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: to me is as scared as I was in my life. 210 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 2: I had the courage in my professional life, and I 211 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: merely changed my voice, and that unleashed, I was able 212 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: to do anything that came to my mind. So I 213 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: took the six lines and just played with them and 214 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 2: threw the script up in the air and sunt it 215 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: out of the room. And Gary Marshall said, he's the guy. 216 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: What happened with I mean, one thing that we know 217 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: of Fonds. I don't know if this was in the 218 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: in the auditional was the calm. It was always like 219 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: looking at himself. 220 00:14:55,120 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: That was again that was an improvisation. So it's the 221 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: first day. First I'm reading. Now you remember I'm I'm 222 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: a trained actor and I'm reading the script and I 223 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: can't make the joke work, and I start hitting the script. 224 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 2: I can't do this. What is this? And I'm twenty seven? 225 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: Well on how it is eighteen? He puts his arm 226 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: around me, walks me to the back of soundstage twenty 227 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: four on Paramount Lot and said, you know they're working 228 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: as hard as they can. Let's not hit our script. 229 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: That our run I've I'll never get my scribbt as 230 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: long as I live. I scripped it that now it says, 231 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: go to the mirror, comb your hair. I walked to 232 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: the director mil Ferber, who did the pilot. I said, listen, sir, 233 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: I will do anything, but every actor who has played 234 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 2: my part has combed his hair. The I need to 235 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: be original. I will do anything, write anything, and I 236 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: will figure it out. He said. Produce a rope, go 237 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: to the Mira comb your hair. Go to that merracomb 238 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: your hair. We'll walk to the mirror. Pull out my comb. 239 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: Look at that, man, it's perfect. That on the comet 240 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 2: and I lit and they kept it in and it 241 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: defined Fonsie for ten years. 242 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, Wow. You just trusted your gut. 243 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: You did you have you? That's the answer. That is 244 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: the answer. If there are any actors out there you're 245 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: not hired. Just to fill time and space that you're 246 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: hired to fill the space with you. They're looking for you. 247 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: They don't even know what they want. Yeah, you have 248 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 2: something in your in your guts. You go with it. 249 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 2: What you can either be right, you could be wrong, 250 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 2: or how do you know, go for it? 251 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: Ooh, I love that. I love that advice. Were you prepared? 252 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: I mean the fame of I mean people still reference 253 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: happy days even to this moment. 254 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, No, I and here's what I figured 255 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: out or for me anyway, I don't think the brilliant 256 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: of the brain in its inception, however, we evolved that 257 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: fame was programmed as part of the living experience. It 258 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 2: is so alien to living. It is so out of 259 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 2: the of the program, of the the adventure, the essence 260 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 2: of being alive. You have got to take an instant 261 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: course at staying the course. 262 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: So what did fame do to you? 263 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: Initially because caause, honest to God, because I am so dyslexic, 264 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 2: I had no sense of self. So when people were 265 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 2: talking to me, I kept on looking, who are they 266 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 2: talking to? They can't it can't be me. I know 267 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: who I am. I know that I failed at everything, 268 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 2: So it never got it in. It just kept going 269 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 2: by me. Except I knew I don't have to stand 270 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 2: online in the range for the movies. I could go 271 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 2: to the manager and say, sir or ma'am, could I 272 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 2: just come in so I don't have to sign on autographs? 273 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: And I got to buy my popcorn first. 274 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: So did your dad and mom come around? When were 275 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: they around to see that? And did they think you 276 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: had taken the right path? 277 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: You would think I was mature. They never came around. 278 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 2: They came around for themselves. They came around to My 279 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 2: joke is my mother walks into a store and goes, yeah, 280 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 2: I exist less, Oh exist less. It's very nice here, 281 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 2: and Fansi's mother. And that is the I swear to you. 282 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 2: That's the microcosm of very embracing. Not isn't it wonderful? 283 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: It's I hear you. How did you know that they 284 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: loved you? Then? 285 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 2: That is a question I am still working on. 286 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: Oh okay, I. 287 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 2: Have no idea. I swore to Stacy that I would 288 00:19:52,480 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 2: be an entirely different parent, and I know this. The 289 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: most important thing is to see who's in front of you, 290 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 2: and a herd child is powerful. I listened to whatever 291 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 2: my children had to say and if they were right, 292 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 2: instead of say because I said so, I went, oh 293 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 2: my god, okay, I'm going to do that from now on. 294 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 2: All right, that's going to be from now. 295 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: No. 296 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 2: I don't think I can live with that, but great idea. 297 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: That's wow. Was that hard because you parent most people 298 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: at least, even though they try to do what you're describing, 299 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: they fall back because they know what they know. 300 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 2: Yes, but here it is my parents flew out of 301 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: my mouth and I would hear myself and I was, 302 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 2: that is not what I meant to say. Okay, I'm 303 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: going to start again. Mm hmm, this is what I 304 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 2: meant to say. Or the children would walk in and 305 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 2: I would go, I wouldn't talk to me right now. 306 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just it's here. Yeah, I'm gonna come 307 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: right out of here. So yeah, and then they were 308 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 2: And then children are so smart. They walk in, they 309 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 2: size me up. Here, you'll see your lady. 310 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: Did you meet Stacy during the happy days days? 311 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 2: I did? 312 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, how'd you guys meet? 313 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: I made enough money to buy my own sport coats. 314 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 2: So there was like this very fancy Italian men's clothing 315 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 2: store on Rodeo drive and I this beautiful woman in 316 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: front of me, and I held up two jackets. Excuse 317 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 2: me which one? And I should have known there was 318 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 2: a problem because she said both. And I'm too practical 319 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: to buy two if I need one. All right, I 320 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: go back the next week she's there. I said, a 321 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 2: porture there because she said, I work here. Then I said, 322 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 2: you want a sodada soda? We went down to the 323 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 2: Willshire Hotel at the end of Rodeo and had a 324 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 2: a soda. And I just bought my first house. And 325 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: Carol Schlanger, who was in my acting class. Her husband Clint, 326 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 2: was an architect and he redid the house and it's 327 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 2: now done. And I said, you want to see my house? 328 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 2: I have no one to show it to and she said, 329 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: of course. Excuse me for a minute, left the room, 330 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: left the area, the luncheon area, called her mother. She said, 331 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 2: this is where I'm going. If anything happens, you know 332 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: exactly where I am. 333 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,959 Speaker 1: I ready And was that it does? That all it 334 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: took you guys walking around the house. 335 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 2: Swear to God because she had to leave. She had 336 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 2: a date. Yeah, but we talked about a book ordinary 337 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 2: people and boss gags and I had not heard of 338 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: either of them. I'm not a reader, first of all, 339 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: and my music is very specific. I never heard of 340 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 2: Bosscast at the time. This was nineteen seventy five ish. 341 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 2: And the next morning I get up, I go to 342 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 2: my car and in the front seat is ordinary people 343 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 2: and Boss gags. How did she get into my car? 344 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,239 Speaker 2: But that's the question I haven't answered. I called her 345 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 2: rop it was busy. I called her back. It was busy. 346 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 2: I called her every ten minutes for twenty four hours 347 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 2: because I'm a moron, and she took the phone off 348 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 2: the hook. 349 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: And then so then what happened? You caught up with her? 350 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 2: I caught up with her. Well, we waw movies and 351 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 2: we saw walk About Nick Rose, walk About, the Australian 352 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: film about the Kids and the Aboriginals. 353 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: And this podcast Henry's called Joy one oh one. It's 354 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: all about that. When you speak about your wife, even 355 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 1: when you say your wife's name, your eyes tell the story. 356 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: It's just a flash and there it is. So tell 357 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: me about the joy and relationships, like what has what 358 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: has she brought to your life? 359 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 2: A groundedness, a power, a clarity Whether I wanted to 360 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: hear it or not, I was at one time so closed. 361 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 2: What I my metaphor is that the top of my 362 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 2: forehead is soldered shut. And you know, you pour cream 363 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 2: into your coffee and you see it turn color and 364 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 2: it swirls. If it's in a glass, I would pour 365 00:24:52,119 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 2: and nothing, no swirl and food. Just I had a 366 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 2: p tuna sandwich in my refrigerat in my first apartment. 367 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 2: That was it. An ambrosia salad. Two boxes of almonden 368 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 2: wine for guests because I don't drink red and white. 369 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 2: And she just opened me open. I just heard the 370 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 2: wisest thing about a relationship. You cannot just fall in 371 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: love one time to the woman who is your partner. 372 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: She changes with birth, with life, with age, with loss, 373 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 2: with everything that goes on. Have to rediscover her every 374 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 2: time you are doomed. 375 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: What's what's this current version like for you, Stacy? 376 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, separate homes. It's really worth. 377 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: You're funny. She is. 378 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 2: Strong and just wonderful and sometimes a little too clear. 379 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: A little too clear, I like, I don't like her. 380 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 2: To soften it up a little bit. 381 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: Just to touch. So you have this incredible role. Everybody 382 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: knows you. You're probably one of the most famous people 383 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: in America with the character of the Fawnds. And after that, 384 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: you would imagine or I would have that. You know, 385 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: you had to beat back offers. They're there. You know, 386 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: I can only be in one place at one time. 387 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. But what happened to your career as 388 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: a result of that kind of role defining character. 389 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you. Let's go that it ended in 390 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty three. In two thousand and three, two two 391 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 2: thousand and two, I came back to la having done 392 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 2: Broadway for nine months, and Neil Simon play My Dream 393 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 2: is John Ritter Our dream? Len carry You? Oh my god. 394 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 2: It was just I couldn't get hired. 395 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: Couldn't get hired, why. 396 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 2: Since it ended? Happy Days ended in nineteen eighty three. 397 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 2: He is so funny, he is so good, lovely, lovely guy. 398 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: But he was the funds. I went to a friend. 399 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 2: I said, I'm having real trouble. I can't get hired. 400 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: He said, write books for children about your learning challenge. Biz. 401 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 2: I can't do that because I'm learning challenge. And he said, 402 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 2: I'll introduce you to Lynn Oliver. And in November of 403 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, our forty first children's book will come out. 404 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: My gosh, those hank zips are books are incredible. 405 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 2: And now it's a detective duck. 406 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: Ah, detective duck. 407 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a wonderful little duckling. She dreams about being 408 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 2: a detective, and she's an environmentalist. I like everything about her, 409 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: her pals living on the pond together, and she's the 410 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 2: only duckling with a beaver for a dad. 411 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: I like it. But did you think, Henry when you 412 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: were like children's books? I mean, I'm an actor. I 413 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: mean I know it filled your cup sort of. But 414 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: tell me. 415 00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 2: Another very important lesson. We are built with the ability. 416 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 2: You must have the courage to pivot, to pivot, must pivot. 417 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 2: I have a dream. It's not working. I cannot just 418 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 2: stay stagnant. There's something else I can do. I don't 419 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 2: know what it is. My friend Alan said, go and 420 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 2: write books. Who knew it would be a second profession. 421 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 2: I didn't even know I could do it. 422 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: I think the pivoting piece is the whole. You're right, 423 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: it's the whole thing, your whole. Yeah, yeah, so you 424 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you won your Emmy for Barry, which 425 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: is so beautiful. Behind you sparkly. 426 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 2: Oh. I carry it with me to every room. If 427 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: we have living room, usually it's on the dining room. 428 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 2: So if like someone delivers from the pharmacy, I open 429 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 2: the front door and saying, oh, thank you so much. 430 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 2: There it is. 431 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: You're so cool, so you wo okay, you get this 432 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: role for Barry, which is another like incredible feat was that? 433 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: Tell me about that role and tell me what it 434 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: felt like winning that Emmy. You're first, by the way, 435 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: after all of your years as an actor and a writer, 436 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: and you directed, you wrote children's books like this is 437 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: the first real piece of hardware. Tell me about that. 438 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 2: When it was happening, I was not aware. Everybody said, hey, 439 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 2: did you see the audience? Did you hear the love 440 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 2: for you? I heard nothing. 441 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: Oh. 442 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 2: All I did was I walked up on stage and 443 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 2: I saw the two stars of the Crown, and I 444 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,719 Speaker 2: started to talk to them about what a great season 445 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 2: it was, and They're looking to me like are you crazy? 446 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 2: And then finally I realized I had thirty nine seconds 447 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 2: to say my entire speech because I had used up 448 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 2: all my time talking to the King and the Queen. 449 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 2: It was a gift in my life, you know, I 450 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 2: always say that I was twenty seven when I got 451 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 2: the Fonds. I was seventy two when I got Barry, 452 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 2: and people talk to me about it all the time 453 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 2: and how they watched it more than once, and oh 454 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 2: my god. And now I'm just going to say, I 455 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 2: do a shadow that I never thought I could do. 456 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 2: I host a show on the History Channel Sunday nights. 457 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 2: It's called a Hazardous History. And it's all reading. And 458 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 2: my devil, my greatest fear, is t read. It's all reading. 459 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 2: And we did eight episodes to begin with of Hazardous History. 460 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: And then they said, oh, you know what it's doing 461 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,719 Speaker 2: very well, We're going to give you thirty thirty thirty. 462 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, what is the what's the lesson here, Henry? 463 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: Because I mean I didn't realize it was twenty seven 464 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: for the Fonds and seventy two for Barry and now 465 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: we're shooting a whole new thing. But what is you know, 466 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: like the commencement addressed sort of lesson about life here? 467 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: Because quite frankly, you could have said after the Funds, well, 468 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: Hollywood kind of did me wrong, you know, and that 469 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: could have been the story you told. 470 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 2: No, I'd have to the Funds when my lawyer Skip 471 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 2: Writtenham the third who recently passed away. I miss him 472 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 2: every day. What a visionary that man was. And he said, 473 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 2: I'm going to start a production company for you. I said, well, 474 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 2: I can't do that. And the first show that I produced, 475 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 2: a co executive produced, was you produce what you want 476 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 2: to see and we did. Mcgiver foray into producing, thinking 477 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 2: I couldn't do it, and then realizing you do what 478 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 2: you can do, and there are lots of people to 479 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 2: help you do what you can't do. 480 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:13,719 Speaker 1: It's amazing. 481 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 2: Like the overall life moment, Yeah, is your residiency, is 482 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 2: your tenacity. I see myself I've said this now for 483 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 2: fifty years. I see myself as that toy with sand 484 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 2: at the bottom and it's plastic and it looks like 485 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 2: a Star Wars character or a cowboy. When I was 486 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 2: going up, you punch it, it goes down and it 487 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 2: comes right back to center. 488 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 489 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 2: And I am telling you I learned in drama school. 490 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 2: Tai Chi was one of the things that I had 491 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 2: to learn as a student. And you just moved to 492 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 2: the side. As garbage comes that you, you let it 493 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 2: go by. You just center and you keep moving. 494 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: To itul be beautiful. The gratitude piece is the other 495 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: thing you talked about at commencement. You talked about, you know, 496 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: resiliency and tenacity and gratitude. How has as we kind 497 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: of wind down, how has gratitude played for you, Henry? 498 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 2: It is something. It's one of those ingredients that came 499 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,959 Speaker 2: in the body in the psyche. I don't know where 500 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: it came from. All I know is people say, oh, 501 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 2: you're such a nice guy, and I think to myself 502 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 2: that that is so. I'm not a nice guy. I 503 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 2: don't think of myself as a nice guy. I am 504 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: grateful for every step I take of this earth, and 505 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 2: that gives me a power of what's over there? What's 506 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 2: over there? Oh my god, look at that. Look at 507 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 2: the rose in my backyard. 508 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: That's, by the way, what you said about when you 509 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: received your Emmy, and how you were talking to the 510 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: King and the Queen about how awesome their show is. 511 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: Every time you came to the Today Show, you did 512 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: the same thing. You spent so much time complimenting Savannah 513 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: Kathy Lee me talking about what we'd done recently, admiring 514 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: some interview we did and talking about it, and literally 515 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: that was your time. That was the time for you 516 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: on the show, which you know is limited. You get 517 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: like four or five minutes. That's it. You always spend 518 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: a few. 519 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 2: I had plenty of time. And the fact of the 520 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 2: matter is that Statsy and I do did watch you, 521 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 2: and we do watch you. And I remember doing your 522 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 2: first interview when it was a health show, Oh my god, 523 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 2: a long time ago. Yeah, we have a connection. And 524 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 2: I don't think that you can be in that in 525 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 2: your presence and not uh, enjoy, celebrate. I'm so happy 526 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 2: just see you, to be in your to be next 527 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 2: to you, to feel your energy. I adore you. 528 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: I adore you too. Boy. Let me tell you something. 529 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: This this podcast is called joy one oh one. I 530 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: just want to take that last whole chunk of everything 531 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,879 Speaker 1: you said and make that our promo, make that our thing, 532 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: because that's what it is. Just be You're you are you, 533 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: You're you. Fall in love over and over and over 534 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: with things, with books, with people, with food, whatever it is. 535 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 1: I feel like you're constantly like finding the next thing 536 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: to fall in love with. Henry. Lastly, if there are 537 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: people listening out there who are having trouble finding the 538 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: good stuff, they just you know for whatever reason, illness, loss, 539 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: just in funk, could be anything. What advice or can 540 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: you offer to someone who's trying to find some joy? 541 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 2: You know what I would say, Look, this is what 542 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 2: I have done in the past when I was so 543 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 2: down and I sought. Oh my goodness, I don't know 544 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 2: what is going to happen. I don't see I don't 545 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 2: see what's going to come to me or at me. 546 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 2: I sit down, I listen to music, music I love, 547 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 2: and I let it dissolve me into sound, and then 548 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 2: I'm able to come out again and see everything with 549 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 2: a fresh eye. But I change my consciousness with Brandy Carlisle, 550 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 2: Sia or I don't know if you know him, Louis Cabaldi. 551 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 2: We just saw at the Bowl. He is in a 552 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 2: working class Glasgow singer who looks like a big cherub 553 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 2: and he sings with such heartbreak and romance and oh 554 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 2: my god. And the boss we went to see Bruce Springsteen. 555 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: Wow, you know what I think after hearing this, people 556 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: are going to say, I'll have what he's having. So Henry, beautiful, 557 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: beautiful interview. As always, I love you, as I tell 558 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,399 Speaker 1: my kids to the moon and back. So we'll see 559 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: you soon. Okay. 560 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 2: I you know what I'm going to take you up on, man. 561 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: Okay, good, good, when you're in town, when you're in 562 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: New York, come sit with me. Okay, I went on, 563 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: all right, all right, love you Henry, me. 564 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 2: Too, Okay. 565 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: Am I right? I mean was right when I said 566 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: to Henry, like I'll have what he's having. I mean, 567 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: that's such the secret. I think he just kind of 568 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 1: unveiled such a huge truth. It's sort of like if 569 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: you stay curious and fall in love with things around you, 570 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 1: like he was saying, the rose in the backyard, the book, 571 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,240 Speaker 1: what his grandchildren are doing, whatever it is, that's where 572 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: like all this joy comes from. It's like gratitude. Man, 573 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: don't sit around cross your arms and say, oh poor me, 574 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 1: oh gosh, I don't have any He just turned that 575 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:41,280 Speaker 1: kind of difficult, horrible upbringing into a delightful place where 576 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:46,760 Speaker 1: he is now. I mean, this man is hitting his stride. 577 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: And I think my biggest lesson from him was pivot. 578 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: If opportunities dry up, pivot, pivot. That's what he did. 579 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: He didn't get a role after Fawns for Forever, and 580 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 1: he pivoted books. Then he went back pivoted back, got 581 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: buried anyway. It just reminds you that possibility is everywhere. 582 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: And you know in life, they're going to be critics. 583 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: They are going to be people who tell you what 584 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: you aren't good enough. They're going to be people won't 585 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: hire you. You know, Henry didn't get into all the 586 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 1: colleges he applied for except one he was set a 587 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 1: CD student. But there are people who are going to 588 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,720 Speaker 1: criticize you no matter what you do. So what poem 589 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 1: is right for someone who has withstood criticism and still 590 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: been standing and even more than that, been triumphant. I 591 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: like this one. It's called the man in the Arena. 592 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: It's not the critic who counts, not the man who 593 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 1: points out how the strong man stumbles or where the 594 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit 595 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,840 Speaker 1: belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, 596 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 1: whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, 597 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: who strives valiantly, who airs, who comes up short again 598 00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcomings, 599 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,839 Speaker 1: But who does actually strive to do the deeds, Who 600 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself 601 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in 602 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,439 Speaker 1: the end the triumphant of high achievement, and who, at 603 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, 604 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: so that his place shall never be with those cold 605 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 1: and timid souls who neither knew victory nor defeat the 606 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,320 Speaker 1: man in the arena. That is by Theodore Roosevelt. Thanks 607 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:36,800 Speaker 1: for listening.