1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: There's Charles w Chuck Bryan. There's no our guest producer today, 4 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: which means it's still Stuff you should Know. That's right, 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: the Jerry Free edition. Yeah it feels weird. Yeah, She's like, 6 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: I can't do this today. I'm going to the mall. 7 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: She's always leaving us for them all. I know. That's weird. 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: Ever since we did that mall episode and she learned 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: it was a thing, right, you know, She's like, this 10 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: sounds like my kind of place. How you doing, I'm 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: doing pretty good. I'm been wanting to do this one 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: for a long time, and I think I started to 13 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: research it and I was like, oh man, I saw 14 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: maybe we went on tour or something like that. I 15 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: got pulled away from it and never went back to it. 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: So I'm glad we're doing it finally. So stuttering if 17 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: or in the in North America or Australia and stammering 18 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: if you're in the UK. Perhaps is that how it works? 19 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. I know that stammering is what they 20 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: call it in the UK. Do they call it stuttering 21 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: in Australia as well. Yeah, this thing I pulled up 22 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: just said in general it's North American Australia say stutter, 23 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: UK they say stammer. But it's the same thing, right, 24 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: it's basically Uh. I think the way that they get 25 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: around that is calling it disfluency. No one calls it that, 26 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: the scientists do. I never heard that word, sure, disfluency. 27 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: So I think that's actually the clinical name for what 28 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: we call stuttering or stammering, depending on where you are. Yeah. 29 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: And wasn't that Colin Firth movie called The Disfluent Prince 30 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: Who would Be King? Yep? I think that was the 31 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: working title what they call it, The King's Speech? Yeah, 32 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: pretty good movie. That was cute. Cute it was. Any 33 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: time you get Jeffrey Right in there in an inspirational role, 34 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a cute movie. No, not Jeffrey Right, 35 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Rush, I don't Jeffrey Wright always plays like the 36 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: super smart, like kind of um, like a deep state guy. 37 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Right. He was bask yot right, I'm not thinking 38 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: the right guy. Did he play Baskiyat? I think so? 39 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: I don't think so in the movie Basku Yot, Yeah, 40 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: is that Jeffrey right? I don't think so. It is 41 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: Jeffrey right. Jeffrey Wright has been in tons of stuff. 42 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: Just look them up. You'll be like, Oh, that's Jeffrey right. 43 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: This is going terribly already. This is basically like the 44 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: podcast equivalent of stuttering, because chuck stuttering, also known as stammering, 45 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: better known as disfluency, is an interrupted flow of speech. Okay, 46 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: but what when it starts to qualify for what we 47 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: would call like stuttering or stammering, it is. It's really noticeable. 48 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: It's um. It has a an interrupting effect typically on 49 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: the conversation or the communication that's meant to be going on, 50 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: the speaking that's going on. UM, that's on the far 51 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: end of the spectrum, on the on the other end 52 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: of the spectrum. Apparently just about everybody engages in disfluent speech. 53 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: I'm particularly guilty because I say um a lot, and 54 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: that's a form of disfluency. And disfluency chuck comes from 55 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: the idea that um that when you speak fluently, you're 56 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: speaking in a flowing manner that that is easy to 57 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,839 Speaker 1: follow typically and is owner interrupted. But when you start 58 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: adding things like um or pauses or uh that kind 59 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: of thing like that, Uh, that's that's disfluency. And again, 60 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: disfluency is a normal part of communication if it occurs 61 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: about less than ten percent of the time. After that 62 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: you start to get into the stuttering slash stammering spectrum 63 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: or side of the disfluent spectrum. Yeah, and one thing 64 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: I learned, you know, you and I uh both Q 65 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: a quality assure each episode, which means, um, it's a 66 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: little behind the curtain peak. But Jerry will send them 67 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: back to us and you listen to it once and 68 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: then give her any like edit notes or whatever, um 69 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: and thoughts, and then I will listen to it and um, 70 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: generally I have no edit notes, um um um. And 71 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: I found that I know we're both gonna be so 72 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: self conscious about that. Well that's where I was getting too. Though. 73 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: I found early on when listening to these episodes of 74 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: ourselves that it's it doesn't pay to focus on disfluency 75 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: in our own language because it can drive you nuts, 76 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: it really can. And so we have a conversational podcast, 77 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: so we're not trying to you know, we're not Churchill 78 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: or Henry or was it Henry the six No, yeah 79 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: it was, Um, I don't remember. Just call him Firth, 80 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: how about that? Yeah, we're not calling Firth addressing the 81 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: country on the airwaves where it was very important that 82 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: he come across, as you know, a certain had a 83 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: certain fluency. But um, when it comes to stuff like this, 84 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: I think people are used to the fact, like occasionally 85 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: we'll get emails that go you go true do you say, 86 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: like and I'm a lot and we're just like, our 87 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: response is better luck finding a different podcast. This is 88 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: not for you. So anyway, I learned to not drive 89 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: myself crazy with that stuff. No, but it's funny you 90 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: bring that up because I was just yesterday listening to 91 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: um the Stockholm Syndrome episode for Stuff you Should Know Selects, 92 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: and I must have said, like a five time is 93 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: over the span of ten words even to that. But 94 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: even I noticed it. I normally have I'm pretty good 95 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,679 Speaker 1: about tuning it out, but even I noticed at that time. 96 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: And it really kind of raises this issue that that 97 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: the whole thing about starting or stammering is not that 98 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: it's a it's a disorder or disease or a the 99 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: sign of an unintelligent person, or that the person can't 100 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: think of what they mean to say. It's absolutely none 101 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: of those things. It is strictly an interruption in what 102 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: we would consider normal communication, and so attention is drawn 103 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: to it, and it turns out that that just makes 104 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: the problem worse and worse, so it it turns into 105 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: this vicious cycle um to where But that's all that. 106 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: That's all it is. That's it. That's really it. And 107 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: I mean, like there's there's different theories about what's behind 108 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: it or what could make it worse, what could possibly 109 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: make it better, But really all it is is just 110 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: interrupted communication between two people. Because it's not like the 111 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: person who's who's stuttering uh stutters in their head, Like 112 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: it's strictly when they're speaking and communicating with other people. 113 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: So it's it's pretty it's a unique it's a unique condition, yeah, 114 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: and they're they're generally three ways in which that flow 115 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: can be interrupted. UM. One is is repetition UM. So 116 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: if you say the first few um, like the beginning 117 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: of a word, if you repeat it a few times 118 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: in a row and then say the word um. Another 119 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: would be prolongation. So if the word is like you would, 120 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: you would roll that l out by itself for a 121 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: long time, and then the last would be an abnormal stoppage, 122 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: which is just no sound at all coming out. Yeah block, Yeah, 123 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: a complete block. Have you you known anyone with a 124 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: severe stutter? Sure, yeah, I've I've I've known people with 125 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: stutters before. Yeah, I know somebody with a very severe stutter. 126 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: And it's always interesting because I think, and we'll get 127 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: to like what you should and shouldn't do as a 128 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: participant in a conversation with someone who stutters. But before 129 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: I read this, I knew that just as a courtesy, 130 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: what you probably shouldn't do, which is correct, is try 131 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: and complete someone sentence for them, even though that urges there. 132 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: You know, it's just a natural instinct because people do that, 133 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: you know, when speaking all the time, if someone can't 134 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: think of a word or something. But like you said, 135 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: that's not what's going on. No, no, And I mean that, 136 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: And I think that urge also comes from a good place. Typically, 137 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: like you're not you're not saying like, uh, pitch is 138 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: the word stupid. That's not what you're saying when you 139 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 1: when you when you finish their sentence, you're helping them 140 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: along to to keep the conversation on track, right, But 141 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: what you're also doing is saying you're not communicating effectively. 142 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: I'm jumping in and taking over. Were on your behalf. 143 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: Just sit there and be quiet. So um, yeah, we'll 144 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: talk more about what to do or what to what 145 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: not to do. When you're in a conversation with somebody 146 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: with a stutter, I don't know what you mean. You're trying, 147 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: you're trying to help, You're not trying to like be 148 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: a jerk. Yeah, but it's it's not a help. No, 149 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: it's not. But I imagine they also understand to a 150 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: certain degree to well, it's probably just from being exposed 151 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: to it so much for so long, and some people feel, 152 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: you know, like with anything like this, some people might 153 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: be used to it and have been like, well, you 154 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: know this how I talk. I've tried to correct it 155 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: and I've kind of learned to live with it, and 156 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: other people might still feel really bad about it. Yeah. 157 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: I I read a um, I guess an essay, a 158 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: blog post basically by a guy named man I can't 159 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: find it anywhere, great great blog post, um where he said, 160 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: I I recognize and accept my stutter, and it was 161 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: on say dot org. His name is Danny lit wak 162 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: l I t w A c K lit whack. Maybe 163 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: I embrace and accept my stutter. It's great. He talks 164 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: about his UM, his experience with growing up with a 165 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: stutter his whole life, and just what a negative impact 166 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: it had on him for a very long time. And 167 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: I saw this elsewhere. But the first step toward UM, 168 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: either either getting past your stutter or just getting over 169 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: the fact that you have a stutter, is accepting that 170 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: you have a stutter. And that's a That's why from 171 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: what I can gather a really big first step, because 172 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: I think people recognize that they have a stutter to themselves, 173 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: but there's also a m there's they take measures to 174 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: protect against sharing that with other people. So I read 175 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: another UM a story about another person who grew up 176 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: with a stutter and when they got to I think 177 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: college or something. On the first day of this one class, 178 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: everybody went around and said where they were from, and 179 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: this person said that they forgot where they are from 180 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: rather than having to say Wilmington's Delaware because of the 181 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: W and the D. So instead they told the class 182 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: they forgot where where they where they were born and 183 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: grew up, because in that case there were certain triggers. Yeah, 184 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: the W and the D, the W and Wilmington's and 185 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: the D and Delaware. So there's like a lot of 186 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: obfuscation that people with with stutters engaging people with stutters 187 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 1: are not to be trusted in other words, but they 188 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: they have to they have to basically just take steps 189 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: to make it seem like they don't have a stutter. 190 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: And I think what this guy, Danny lit Wack was saying. 191 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: And then, like I said, I saw elsewhere people saying, 192 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: like I have a stutter, like this is how I talk. 193 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to like either just walk away during 194 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: the conversation or just let me finish my own time. 195 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: But this is me, and this is how I talk, 196 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: and I'm accepting it or learning to and you're gonna 197 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: have to as well. And that's the the first step, 198 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: as I understand it. Once you're an adult, I should say, 199 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: I think there's so many things in life where that's 200 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: the case. Oh yeah, instead of like at a certain point, 201 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: at a certain age, you I think at least I 202 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: got to a point where like, well I can really 203 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: continue to work to try and change this thing, or 204 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: I can just accept that this is kind of who 205 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 1: I am and be happy. Yeah, don't worry, be happy now. 206 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: So don't ever strive to be better people. Just accept 207 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: how messed up you are, enforce everyone else around you 208 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: to accept it. Should we take a little break here, 209 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: all right, we'll take a break and we'll come back 210 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: and get into some of the stats and um, how 211 00:12:40,000 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: stutters can develop right after this? All right, so we're 212 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: back promised stats. The stats you shall receive, um, one 213 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: percent roughly of adults in the world stutter. Yeah, but um, 214 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: that is not one percent of children because many times 215 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 1: have in fact about seventy at a time, um, well 216 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: five percent of children stuttering, about seventy five percent a time. 217 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: They will lose that disfluence as they grow older, leaving 218 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: that at a one percent number as adults. Yeah, and 219 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: so in the U s there's that means there's about 220 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: three million or so, maybe three and a half million 221 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: people adults that stutter. Right, Um, more women, yeah? Uh? 222 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: Is it more women, more men, more men? One it's 223 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: like four to five in childhood and then it was 224 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: too like three or four in adulthood. So by far 225 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: men stutter more than women and um, although in strangely 226 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 1: boys tend to naturally lose their stutter if they're going 227 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: to lose their stutter in childhood, more than girls. And 228 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: I don't think they found any rhyme or reason to 229 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: that at all. Right, No, man, there's there's like a 230 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: lot of lack of understanding as far as stuttering goes 231 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: scientifically socially, there's just that we just don't know that 232 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: much about it, which is surprising because apparently as far 233 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: back as Moses, people have been stuttering on record, and 234 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: we'll tell that story later, Okay, about sixty There could 235 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: be a genetic basis because about the people who stutter 236 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: have a family member who stutters. Yeah, and I also 237 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: saw that among monos i gotic, also known as identical twins, 238 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: if one twin stutters, there's a nine chance that the 239 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: other one does as well. Interesting, but for diyes eye gotic, 240 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: like fraternal twins, there's only a twenty percent chance. So 241 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: there's clearly a genetic basis to stuttering somehow, right, But 242 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: it's also one of those things where it can be genetic, 243 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be. Um. Sometimes if you like suffer 244 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,479 Speaker 1: a head trauma, you might develop a stutter, right, Um, 245 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: sometimes it's developmental. Sometimes there it could be obviously with 246 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: something like Parkinson's disease, that could be a symptom. But 247 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: those are to me, I think, probably different kinds of stuttering. 248 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: But right, so, there's basically two main categories. Developmental, which 249 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: is by far the more the one that it counts 250 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: for the most cases of stuttering, and then the others acquired, 251 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: like you said, say from like Parkinson's or they put 252 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: you on a prescription that like suddenly is making you stutter. 253 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: There's also psychogenic, which is supposedly an emotional ama can 254 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: give you a stutter. I don't know if that's just 255 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: left over lore, because apparently they used to think all 256 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: stutters were the result of some psychology and they they 257 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: just say, well, no, it's possible, or some people have 258 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: it and just haven't figured out that it's not the 259 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: case at all, or if there really is a small 260 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: section of people who do have psychogenic stutters. But but 261 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: all of those would fall under acquired, And then the 262 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: other one is developmental. Boy, how about that guy that 263 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: took mushrooms and quit stuttering? Yeah, so interesting. I saw 264 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: Ted talk at his once really yeah. He um. He's like, 265 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: all about mushrooms saving the world. Paul's damn its yeah 266 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: yeah he um. He leads off our article on how 267 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: stuff works and he um, that's of your stutter. H 268 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: was very affected by it, kind of withdrew socially. Went 269 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: camping one time, took a bunch of psychedelic mushrooms and 270 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: climbed a tree, got up there, Uh, decided he could 271 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: not climb down. Um, and then the storm came in 272 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: and got really intense, and he he said he sort 273 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: of felt one with the world, um, which sounds about right. 274 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: And Uh, eventually the storm passed. He came down and 275 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: while he was up there during this intense experience, he 276 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: was like, I will not stutter anymore, and he just 277 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: kept saying that. Came down and he had lost his stutter. Yeah, 278 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: and apparently he didn't relapse, which is pretty unusual, I think. 279 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: So he started studying mushrooms for a living. He became 280 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: a mycologist. Man, I gotta I've said this before, I'll 281 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: say it again. One of the best articles I've ever 282 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: read my life was called blood Spore, and I think 283 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: it was in Harper's and it was um, it was 284 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: about a murder in the world of mycologists. It was 285 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: just so interesting blood spot coming soon to a theater 286 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: naming I hope, so you should write the script. So 287 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: Stammit's was remarkably lucky, and that he just basically decided 288 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: stutter anymore and stop stuttering. Um. Apparently, the fact that 289 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: he didn't relapse is probably what's most remarkable, because I 290 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: think relapsing among stuttering treatments is actually pretty common. Yeah, 291 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: but again, this is once you get out of childhood. 292 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: It's fairly common to have to develop a stutter as 293 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: you're a child, as you're learning to talk, and then 294 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: it's equally common to lose that that stutter as you 295 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: age um usually within eighteen months of developing the onset 296 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: of the stutter. Um. But then as you as you 297 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: acquire this or develop this stutter as you get older, 298 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,479 Speaker 1: apparently becomes more and more set in. And that seems 299 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 1: to be because of the plasticity of your brain when 300 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: you're a kid start. It's almost like, from what I 301 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: can gather, it's like, if you have a stutter past 302 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: a certain point, it almost gets locked into your brain 303 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: as your neural pathways solidify and cement like you learned 304 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: to have a stutter after a while, and I think 305 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: they say to wait. I think they wait like three 306 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: months before they even start looking into it, because that's 307 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: how fleeting a stutter can be when you're a little kid. 308 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: After three months, they'll say, all right, maybe we should 309 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: start looking into this. Right, you would want to go 310 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: to a speech pathologist who will be able to diagnose it. 311 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: And usually what they're looking for when um, you take 312 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: your child who's developed a stutter to a speech pathologist, 313 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: is um how pronounced it is. There's a guy, um 314 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: and I think the late nineties named Barry Guitar. He 315 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: sounds like he played, you know, guitar for the band Boston. 316 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: He knows all the chords. No way, that's guitar George. Right, 317 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: what's that from? Oh? Come on, guitar George. Is that 318 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: a Ray Stevens song? No, it's from Dark Straits sing 319 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: Oh gotcha? That's a good song. It is a good song. 320 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: Uh So Barry Guitar came with five levels of stuttering development. 321 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: And I already referenced the first. I know his name 322 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: is all just. I already referenced the first level, which 323 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: is you, um, you have blessed than ten percent of 324 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: your speech is disfluent. That's that's anybody walking around like that, right, 325 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: unless you're like the King of England or something. And 326 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: then ironically unless you're that one king who had a stutter. 327 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: Um and then it goes on the from there and 328 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: just gets worse and worse. But one of the things 329 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: that's attendant with these um these different stages of development 330 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: of a stutter are like emotional problems or symptoms like 331 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: co morbid symptoms along with the stutter. So there can 332 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: be things like blinking like um, like like pursing your lips, 333 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: where you're frustrated, where you're angry, where you're fearful, where 334 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: you're anxious, in conjunction with stuttering. And so this is 335 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: the kind of thing that the speech pathologists will be 336 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: looking for to kind of diagnose your kid like now, 337 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: this is just normal kids stuff. For actually this the 338 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: stutters developing faster than we'd like it too, so we 339 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: need to start treating it now. Well, that makes sense 340 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: because dopamine. We've talked a lot about dopamine on the 341 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: show The NEU transmitter. UM. If you have an overabundance 342 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: of dopamine. Um, we talked about in the Tourette's episode, 343 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: is that one of the things that can be co 344 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: morbid with stuttering, because I know too much dopamine can 345 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: lead to a stutter as well. Yeah, supposedly, Um. So 346 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: dopamine controls movement, right, and if you have too much, 347 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: it makes you have ticks. Like Tourette you're saying, well, 348 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: it can. So I noticed this. Um, Parkinson's and dopamine 349 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: are um, I think they're they're like Parkinson's has to 350 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: do with too much dopamine, and Parkinson's is one of 351 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: the ways that you could acquire neurogenically a stutter. So 352 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: that makes total sense that there's something in your brain 353 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: with dopamine transmission to where you have maybe too much 354 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: of it. And so you're you're trying to um, you're 355 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: having trouble but get getting the thoughts in your head 356 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: into the movements that it takes to create a speech. Yeah, 357 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: I mean it's a little clumsy the way the brain 358 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: does this. Um, it would be a lot easier if 359 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: it was streamlined and one part of the brain, but 360 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: there are two distinct parts of the brain that deal 361 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: with language processing, and one is the one that processes 362 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: it and one articulates it with UH in a motor 363 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: skill way. And when those two things have done brain 364 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: imaging mapping and they found that there's some sort of 365 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: discontinuity between those two processes going on. There's that's stuttering, right, 366 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: So it could be too much dopamine. That's one thing. Um. Again, 367 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: the research into stuttering is so basic at the moment, 368 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: it's it's really surprising. Um. What they're trying to figure 369 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: out though, is are you born with the stutter like 370 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: you when you're born, You're you're gonna have this problem 371 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: because you're your brain isn't um using dopamine properly, or 372 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: is overproducing dopamine or are you as your brain is developing, 373 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: something goes a little off to the side, to the 374 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,959 Speaker 1: left and your brain has trouble with dopamine from that 375 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: point on. So they're trying to figure out the etiology 376 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: of it. In other words, did you look into this 377 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: uh the genes the four genes, Yeah, a little bit. 378 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: Did you find names for those? I did not? That 379 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: is how basic the research is right now. They're not 380 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: even saying what genes they're finding. Yeah, apparently they did 381 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: discover four different genes that are linked to these proteins, 382 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: and these proteins are sort of like, um, they're responsible 383 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: for what's called cellular trafficking, so they kind of make 384 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: sure that the elements of the cell end up where 385 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: they need to be within that cell um. And they 386 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: said that more than one neurological disorder can be linked 387 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: to this trafficking process. So I guess it's related to 388 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: those proteins in those genes. Yeah, but they're like, who knows, 389 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: It's just like they've gotten to the point where they 390 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: have identified there's something up with these proteins in in 391 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: the cells and it's linked to stuttering somehow. Now just 392 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: give us like ten years to go figure out how right, 393 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, they're they're starting to realize now there's some 394 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 1: sort of genetic basis to this two stuttering. Well, I mean, 395 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: I think the twin study that says a lot right 396 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: there for sure. You know, um, should we can we 397 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: talk about Moses? I think it's high time we talked 398 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: about Moses. We've been dancing around the burning bush for 399 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: a while now. I can't believe that guy to laugh. Well, 400 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: I was laughing because every time I think of burning bush, 401 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 1: I think of three Amigos and how funny that singing 402 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 1: bush was. I never saw that one. Three Amigos. Yeah, 403 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: I could do the three amigo salute, but I never 404 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: saw it. Oh man, that's a classic. Really yeah really? Oh? Sure? 405 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: Why is that surprising? I don't know. I feel like 406 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: I would have seen it if three comedic? You right? Oh, 407 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: I know why I never saw because chevy Chase is 408 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: in it. I'm sure, I'm sure. No. I remember my 409 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: dad raised me to really dislike so I probably wasn't 410 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: allowed to see it. That's because you can see Fletch, right. 411 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: I think I stopped watching Fletch like part way through. 412 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: My dad had a real influence on me. And why 413 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: didn't he like chevy Chase? So I don't. I have 414 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: no idea he had a bone to pick. I I 415 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: guess I think he thought he was a jerk or something. 416 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: Well he was, all right, it turns out right, all right. 417 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: So Moses, um, I know a lot about the Bible, because, 418 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: as listeners know, I was raised in the church, but 419 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: I didn't know this. I don't remember this story at all. Yeah. 420 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: I hadn't heard it either. So apparently Moses uh was 421 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: a little baby at one point, and the Pharaoh said, 422 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: was warned, you know that Moses was was gonna uh 423 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: not be his friend when he grew up. So he said, 424 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: all right, let me try something out. I'm gonna give 425 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: this little baby Moses a choice between a bowl full 426 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: of gold and a bowl full of hot coals. This 427 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: is what you do with babies. Jesus the gold, then 428 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill him. Yeah, typical typical Egyptian stuff. Yeah. Um. 429 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: So of course with a baby, Moses is going to 430 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: reach for the gold. Um. And then apparently an angel 431 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: intervened Todd, Todd the angel and directed, uh, little Moses 432 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: hand to the hot coals instead. A little gruffly if 433 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: you ask Moses. Moses grabbed a hot coal put it 434 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: in his mouth, and that's how he got to the stutter. 435 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: And he's blamed Todd ever since. And here's what I 436 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: don't get is that Moses went to God and was like, hey, man, 437 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to lead the people out of Egypt. I 438 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: have a bad stutter. Can you you know, can you 439 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: do something for me? God? And God said no, sweat, Yeah, 440 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: he said God, Mr ed, you didn't know that, uh 441 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: he was God? So God said, um, yeah, sure I 442 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: can help you out. Just have your brother Aaron take 443 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: the mic. And Moses is like, I was more thinking 444 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: like you'd perform a miracle on me. But yeah, I 445 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: probably could have thought of having Aaron speak for me 446 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: as well. God, thanks for that, though. I don't know 447 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,719 Speaker 1: how I missed that story. He apparently there's a quote 448 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: I am heavy of mouth and heavy of tongue, and 449 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: I saw some um Bible site where they were debating 450 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: whether or not what they were talking about was a stutter. Apparently, 451 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: some later Hebraic text said that Moses had trouble pronouncing 452 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: th h s thorn sounds um, it sounds more like 453 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: he had a lisp than a stutter. Who knows. Let's 454 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: go with stuttering though, because a lot of people do 455 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: say that Moses had a stutter. But yeah, it's it's 456 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: pretty thick. It's I've gotten used to it. But I 457 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: remember at first when we first started doing this, like, man, 458 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: I should not be speaking for a living like this 459 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: is I have a speech impediment, pure and simple. No, 460 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: it's just everyone now just thinks, Hey, that's Josh's voice. Yes, 461 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: it's so grating, smooth and silky Elton history. Uh, let's 462 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: see the emperor Justinian apparently U or no, I'm sorry 463 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: I was wrong. It was um Demosthenes. He was a 464 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: Greek statesman. He apparently was smart enough to say, who 465 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: could help me with a stutter? How about an actor? 466 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: Somebody who speaks broadcast their voice for a living. So 467 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: he hired an actor to help him, and the actor 468 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: had him do things like chew on pebbles and try 469 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: to talk smart. Um, he he's he did his speeches 470 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: while he's walking uphill. I guess to control his breathing. 471 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: This is actually pretty sharp stuff. I think out of 472 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: out of all the historical treatments that we're going to cover, 473 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: this one might most closely resemble, aside from the mouthful 474 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: of pebbles, um, modern treatment for stuttering. Yeah, which is 475 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: to say, uh, speaking exercises. Uh, well, you did say Justinian. 476 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if Justinian had the stutter, but his 477 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: at the very least his position. Uh. A. T. S. 478 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: Of Amida was one of the first people to say, hey, 479 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: maybe that the frenulum, you know, that little flap of 480 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: skin under your tongue, the connector to the bottom of 481 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: your mouth. He was the first one that said, why 482 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: don't we start slicing that thing up? Uh, and just 483 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: the tongue in general. Over the years there have been 484 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: all kinds of surgeon that tried variations of slicing the 485 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: frenulum or cutting down of the tongue itself. Now, I 486 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: could probably use that one by H. D. Sgoen. I'm 487 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: sure that's how you say it. The second way, he 488 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: basically said, stuttering as a result of an oversized tongue, 489 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: which I have. Let's just slice and dice a little 490 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: off the sides. But none of this I know, of course, 491 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: it didn't work. It's just horror of thick apparently. Though 492 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: at the same time there were these surgeons who get 493 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: all the press because their stuff is so horrific. But 494 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: there are also other people who were kind of on 495 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: the right track a little more like Moses Mendelssohn in 496 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: the eighteenth century. He thought that there were too many 497 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: ideas or thoughts that were flowing at once, and that um, 498 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: it was basically it was blocking speech. There's too much 499 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: trying to get out, basically like the three Stooges model 500 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: of stuttering. Remember they're all trying to go through the door. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, 501 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: so you've got too much to say and you want 502 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: to just get it all out. Interesting, that makes a 503 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: little sense. Um Erasmus Darwin. Uh. He said that it 504 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: was bashfulness, emotions like bashfulness that messed up the process 505 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: of speaking right, definitely onto something there as well. And 506 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: then a psychologist named sand Ow said that it was 507 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: brought on by either a dread of speaking or an 508 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: over eagerness to speak, kind of like what Moses Mendelson 509 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: was saying in the latter example. They brought out by 510 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: two completely opposite things. Yeah, so a lot of this 511 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: actually is kind of in step with our current thought 512 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: about stuttering. And so either that means that these guys 513 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: in the eighteenth century were prescient, or our understanding of 514 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: stuttering is stuck in the eighteenth century. I'm very curious 515 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: to know which one it is. Shall we take a break? Yeah, 516 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: it's all right. We're gonna come back after this final 517 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: break and talk about therapies that don't involve cutting your 518 00:32:40,520 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: tongue apart. Yea, all right, So now we're in the 519 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: modern days and we're not taking scalpels to the frenulum 520 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: any longer. Because they realized that it's not a physical 521 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: affliction of the tongue. It's it's somewhere inside the brain 522 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: most likely. And uh, they have a lot of recommendations 523 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: for when a child um starts to stutter in it 524 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: and it sticks. Um. And you found some other tips 525 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: to which are great for parents, and kind of one 526 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: of the main ones is is give your kid plenty 527 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: of room to talk, plenty of time to talk, make 528 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: sure they express themselves fully, because one of the side 529 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: effects of having a stutter is your child may just 530 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: end up retreating and being super quiet. Yeah. I got 531 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: from this these hips for parents that there's kind of 532 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: this maybe not fully spoken idea that you can actually 533 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: cement your child stutter if you handle it poorly when 534 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 1: they start to develop it like like which knowing that 535 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: it just makes you even more tense about dealing with 536 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: it correctly, I would guess, which could make the whole 537 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: process even even harder. But there are some pretty brainless 538 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: things to do. This one almost killed me when I 539 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,919 Speaker 1: saw it. Chuck the the site I think Kids Health 540 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: is where I got this one, but it said maintain 541 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: natural eye contact with your child. Try not to look 542 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: away or show signs of being upset. Get like just 543 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: break the arrow off in my heart. That's pretty sad. Like, 544 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: don't look away in disgust when your child is stuttering, 545 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: you monster, Go look in the mirror and take a 546 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: bamboo shoot and put it underneath your fingernail and think 547 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 1: about what you've done. Another good one is um And 548 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: this feels like something that would be easy to do 549 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: because it seems well intentioned to say, like, you know, 550 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 1: slow down, son, take your time, take your breath. They 551 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: say to not do that because you know, might make 552 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: things worse. Yeah, because what you're doing then is you're 553 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: drawing attention to the idea that your child is not 554 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: speaking correctly and uh, rather than just apparently letting them 555 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: communicate at their own pace. Right, There's also seems to 556 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: be a suggestion that the child has learned the child, 557 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: your kid has learned to speak to stutter because they're 558 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 1: trying to get too much out at once, and they 559 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: may have picked that up from you. If you have 560 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 1: like a rush rush, rush pace in your household. One 561 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: of the things that that they suggest is it just 562 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: kind of slow things down at home. And in addition 563 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: to like like schedule wise and like just taking time 564 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: and just like letting everybody breathe, maybe a little more 565 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: than you guys are um also speaking more slowly, not 566 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,919 Speaker 1: just to your kid, but also to other people. When 567 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 1: your kids around speaking slowly, you're letting the setting an example, 568 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: it's called modeling your own speech so that your kid 569 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: feels like they don't have to blurt everything out at 570 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: once to get their point across. They they're going to 571 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: be heard no matter how long it takes. You're going 572 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,879 Speaker 1: to sit there and just listen to them speak, yeah, 573 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: and not and like really listen. Another thing that seems 574 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: like a no brainer, but really just try and focus 575 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 1: on on what they're saying and not the fact that 576 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: they're stuttering those words out. But you know, when your 577 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: kid tells you a story about something that happened at school, 578 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 1: don't concentrate or even bring attention to the fact that 579 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: it's being said with the stutter, but just take taking 580 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: their story and if it takes a little while longer 581 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: than just respond accordingly. And and in that same vein, 582 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 1: like don't tell your kid to stop and start over 583 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: when they start stuttering, like like they're they have to 584 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: get the sentence just perfect or else you're not going 585 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 1: to hear him out and don't tell them to think 586 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: before speaking. That's not helping anything at all. Um, be honest, like, 587 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: don't try and uh mask it and say that, well, 588 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: you don't have a stutter, like this is just you know, 589 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: you're just in a hurry or something like they just 590 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 1: say to be really honest and say, you know what, 591 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: you you have a stutter and it's a disfluence. It's 592 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: nothing to worry about. And uh, if you'd like, maybe 593 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: we can uh talk to someone that can uh do 594 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: some exercises with you. And you know, just like all 595 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: this sounds like no brainer, not being a monster parent. Yeah, 596 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 1: but again some of it does. It's like telling your 597 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 1: kids like, okay, slow down, take a breath. Now, what 598 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: are you saying? Like you think you're helping your kid, 599 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: you're not so so not all some of it is 600 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: is monstrosity. Others is just like this is this is 601 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: what people would naturally do, but it's and it seems intuitive, 602 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: but you're wrong. Your intuition is dead wrong. Just let 603 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: your kids talk and listen to what they're saying, not 604 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: how they're saying it. And apparently this is this is 605 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,399 Speaker 1: a good These are good. This is good advice. Wow, 606 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: it took me a second to get out. Thank you though, 607 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: Chuck for patiently hearing it. Then, um, this is good 608 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: advice to helping your kid just naturally, um shed the stutter, 609 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: the developmental stutter. We should say, all of this we've 610 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,760 Speaker 1: been talking about is is dealing with the developmental stutter, 611 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: although a lot of it just applies to people with 612 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 1: with adults stutters out in the real world as well. 613 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: Like you can you can take just about all of 614 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: this and apply it to a business conversation if you 615 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: have a coworker who has a stutter, like don't look 616 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: away and discussed. There's there's good advice right there all too. 617 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 1: Throughout your life when you're when you're watching or listening 618 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: to somebody with the stutter. Yeah, I mean, maybe don't 619 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:10,800 Speaker 1: do that at all, and you know the life advice, 620 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: but it's it's a good point is if you're sitting 621 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: there and you're and you don't look like you're hurrying 622 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: somebody with the stutter along, You're just engage. You're you're 623 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 1: into the conversation no matter how long it takes. I 624 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: can't imagine how much that must help. And one thing 625 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 1: that we didn't really. I think point out that that 626 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:34,879 Speaker 1: bears pointing out is that people who stutter do not 627 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: necessarily stutter and in the same frequency throughout like their day. 628 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: There's definitely situations that are um that we are going 629 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,439 Speaker 1: to make the stutter way more pronounced. They're almost exclusively 630 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: associated with higher anxiety situations. I think the nationals Stuttering 631 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: Association says that the number one situation where a stutter 632 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,720 Speaker 1: is going to be about as bad as it gets 633 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: is during a job interview. And so employers, please don't 634 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: think that this is how this person talks. This is 635 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 1: probably as bad as their stutter gets. However, they're stuttering 636 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 1: in the in the job interview, UM. So if they're 637 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: today at home, UM, and they're just talking to their 638 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: wife or their kid or something, the stutter is probably 639 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: gonna be far less pronounced than it would be if 640 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,359 Speaker 1: they were having to give a speech UM at their 641 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: friend's wedding. You know. Yeah, And I found that UM 642 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: with this person, Emily, and I know that it's UM. 643 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 1: It can vary a lot within a conversation. UM, it's 644 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 1: a very severe stutter. And then they will say like 645 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: a couple of sentences straight through with nothing, and then 646 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: I think, oh, man, like it catches me off guard 647 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: because I'm so used to the stutter, and I think, well, 648 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: you know, that's super interesting to me. You just like 649 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: blurted out a couple of two or three long sentences 650 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: with zero stutter or stammer on the same thing. Um, 651 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 1: I know, but they're fun to say together, aren't they 652 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: They are. I don't know, I just find it really fascinating. Um. 653 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: You know, speech pathology can come a long way. I 654 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,720 Speaker 1: know that there are Well, it's funny. I looked online 655 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: about curing stuttering, and of course there was no like 656 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: patented cure. But Tony Propins after listening to our recording 657 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,239 Speaker 1: our motivational Speaker thing, I saw a video. I didn't 658 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 1: even watch it. I just saw the title. It said 659 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,879 Speaker 1: Tony Robbins cures a man of a stutter in seven minutes, right, 660 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, come on, yeah, yeah, I 661 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: didn't see anything that said stutter stuttering cures. There's basically 662 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: nine Yeah. I did not look into I didn't have 663 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: time to look into this new device though, did you. Uh, yeah, 664 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 1: a little bit. It seems pretty untested as far as 665 00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 1: real world application goes, but it makes sense into watively 666 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,399 Speaker 1: and apparently it does help in a clinical setting. So 667 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: basically it's like an like a hearing aid, but it 668 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: changes the person who's speaking's voice a little bit. Does 669 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 1: it replay it for everybody? Know, just for the person 670 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,360 Speaker 1: in their ear right, Because one of the one of 671 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 1: the ways that somebody who stutters will be able to 672 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 1: talk perfectly well is speaking in unison or singing. So 673 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 1: like you, you can be sitting there talking to somebody 674 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,320 Speaker 1: just one on one, and your stutter could be quite severe. 675 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: But then if you and the person agree to sing together, 676 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,760 Speaker 1: you may not stutter at all the whole time you're singing. 677 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,720 Speaker 1: And I have no no one has any idea why 678 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 1: that's the case. They just know And this device is 679 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: based on that that when we're talking in unison, or 680 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,879 Speaker 1: someone who has the stutters talking in unison with somebody else, 681 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,839 Speaker 1: their stutter tends to go away. So what this does 682 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: is it creates an echo. There's a bit of a 683 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: lag with their own voice, so they feel like they're 684 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: talking themselves, and so it helps the stutter again, at 685 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 1: least in a clinical setting. UM, I don't know if 686 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: it would just be too distracting in a conversation or what. 687 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: But I got the impression that they haven't tested it 688 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 1: fully or proven it fully outside of the lamb. Well, 689 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: the singing makes sense because remember mel Tillis, The name 690 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,640 Speaker 1: sounds familiar. He was a country singer who had a 691 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:29,360 Speaker 1: really pronounced stutter, kind of around like fifties, sixties and 692 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: seventies seventies is when he was biggest. But yeah, but 693 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,280 Speaker 1: you know he was on like he haw and stuff, 694 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,359 Speaker 1: grand ol opry like a bird and then has has 695 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: had a tough stutter when he was talking to the 696 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,400 Speaker 1: audience and that's what he was known for. Oh yeah, yeah, 697 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 1: it was like you know, obviously wouldn't act, but it 698 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 1: was a sticky speaking of so um another famous stutter chuck, 699 00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 1: are we there? Uh, Porky Pig. Yeah, so I was. 700 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 1: I was looking up Porky Pig, right, because you know, 701 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,720 Speaker 1: that's an unusual choice to have a cartoon character whose stutters. 702 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 1: And it turns out that Porky Pig has a stutter 703 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: because the guy who originally did Porky Pig, Joe Doherty, 704 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,759 Speaker 1: had a stutter in real life. Oh really yeah, pretty sweet? Huh, 705 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: pretty heartwarming? Well wait, there's more. He did Porky Pig 706 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 1: for the first two years, and then they fired him 707 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: because he kept missing the cues because of his stutter, 708 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,319 Speaker 1: and they brought in a guy who didn't have a 709 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: stutter to do Porky Pig from that point on. But 710 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: he did it with a stutter. Yeah, because it was established. 711 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 1: Well that's crutty and that's sad. That's sad. Yeah, except 712 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: Porky Pigs trick was to go to a different word, yeah, 713 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 1: which is a fairly common technique though. Yeah, I imagine. So, yeah, 714 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: if you get hung up on something, just say something else. 715 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,839 Speaker 1: Uh that means the same thing. Yeah, that's a good one. 716 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,200 Speaker 1: Or I think, um people will say, oh, I can't 717 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 1: remember and just act like they can't remember the word 718 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: when they know full well what we're they're going for. 719 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,400 Speaker 1: They just can't they can't say it, so they just 720 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 1: pretend like they couldn't or they forgot what they were 721 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 1: talking about. Should we name all some of these other 722 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 1: famous stutters, because uh, I think if you're an adult stutter, 723 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,400 Speaker 1: you probably know these people. You may have looked it 724 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 1: up to feel a kinship, but maybe if you're a 725 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 1: little kid out there, it might make you feel better. 726 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: To know that. Uh, Darth Vader himself, James Earl Jones 727 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 1: was the stutter Yeah, big time. Emily Blunt, Yep, she's terrific. 728 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:44,240 Speaker 1: Samuel Jackson surprising right there. Yeah, because the F bombs 729 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: flow from his mouth. He was born with that talent. 730 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 1: Who else from pulp fiction? Harvey kit Tell. Yeah, I 731 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,919 Speaker 1: can't see Harvey kite Tell stuttering now. And I guess 732 00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,880 Speaker 1: all of these people just went through speech therapy. Huh. 733 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,279 Speaker 1: I would guess so, or else they all took mushrooms 734 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: because it doesn't say whether or not they like stuttered 735 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,360 Speaker 1: as a child or when they overcame it. But Nicole Kidman, 736 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:16,799 Speaker 1: Albert Einstein, Oh really, um, Carly Simon, and you said 737 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,320 Speaker 1: Winston Churchill earlier too, he had a stutter as well. Yeah, 738 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:27,239 Speaker 1: Bruce Willis, Yeah, that's using too. Huh. Check I could see. 739 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: I think I've actually seen Shack stutter before on TV. Really, 740 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 1: m uh see Bill Walton, Tiger Woods, Charles Darwin, Jane Seymour, 741 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 1: Dr Quinn herself, Joe Biden, who will hopefully run for president, 742 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 1: right he overcame his stutter. Yeah, well all of them did, 743 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,319 Speaker 1: which is great. But at the same time, there are 744 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,800 Speaker 1: people out there who have accepted that they have a stutter. 745 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,759 Speaker 1: They've probably spent a lot of time and money trying 746 00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 1: to get rid of it and it hasn't gone anywhere, 747 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: so they've kind have embraced it. So I mean, if 748 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,120 Speaker 1: you've gotten rid of your stutter and you've overcome it, 749 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,759 Speaker 1: that's great. But if you've also embraced it, good for 750 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,840 Speaker 1: you as well. Oh boy, how about this one? You 751 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 1: want to talk about overcoming a stutter Kendrick Lamar? Oh yeah, wow. 752 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,400 Speaker 1: If you can overcome a stutter and then become Kendrick Lamar, 753 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: then that that should be a shiny example people that 754 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 1: you can do anything. Yeah, or if you embrace your stutter, 755 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,719 Speaker 1: good for you as well. Agreed, because you could be 756 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,960 Speaker 1: mal tell Us who was the Kendrick Lamar of country music, 757 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: or Porky Pig, the Kendrick Lamar of cartoon. That's right, 758 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 1: you've got anything else about stuttering? I got nothing else. 759 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,480 Speaker 1: We'd love to hear from people, though, huh, yeah, for sure. 760 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,440 Speaker 1: UM get in touch with us, and then in the 761 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,880 Speaker 1: meantime you can find more stuff about stuttering, including a 762 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 1: lot of support and resources for parents, um all over 763 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,239 Speaker 1: the web and there's things like say dot org and 764 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 1: the National Stuttering Association and all sorts of great resources 765 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 1: if you are looking for some information. 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