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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the Last Days.

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Speaker 2: A bombshell move in the case of the so called

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Speaker 2: real estate Bros.

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Speaker 1: Three brothers rolling in money.

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Speaker 2: Charged with sex trafficking and rape. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. In

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Speaker 2: the last days. A federal judge throws out real estate

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Speaker 2: moguls tale or in an Ellen Alexander rape to a

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Speaker 2: woman was thrown out joining us. Lauren Conlin, investigative reporter,

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Speaker 2: our host of Pop Crime TV.

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Speaker 1: Lauren, thank you for being with us? What's that all about?

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Speaker 3: While highlighting inconsistencies in witness testimony. In a significant development,

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Speaker 3: prosecutors have indicated that they plan to drop count six

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Speaker 3: and seven of the indictment. These are two standalone sex

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Speaker 3: trafficking charges that each carry a mandatory minimum sentence of

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Speaker 3: fifteen years if convicted. However, it remains unclear why prosecutors

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Speaker 3: are seeking to dismiss those counts. Defense attorneys have suggested

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Speaker 3: the move reflects weaknesses in the government's case and alibis

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Speaker 3: that the brothers have, while prosecutors have characterized this as

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Speaker 3: a strategic legal decision, noting that allegedly an investigator for

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Speaker 3: the defense had intimidated witness number four by going to

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Speaker 3: her neighbour's home and asking about her minor children. The

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Speaker 3: dismissal is not yet final and must be formally approved

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Speaker 3: by US District Judge Valerie Caproni. The trial itself has

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Speaker 3: also faced disruptions. One juror was dismissed after admitting he

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Speaker 3: had already formed an opinion about the defendant's innocence before deliberations,

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Speaker 3: leaving only one alternate juror remaining. To secure these convictions.

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Speaker 3: On the remaining charges, prosecutors must prove the brothers used force, fraud,

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Speaker 3: or coercion to compel women into sex. Sex and the

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Speaker 3: prosecution has really focused on drugs as a coercion element.

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Speaker 3: This is the legal standard at the heart of federal

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Speaker 3: sex trafficking laws. With prosecutors again signaling their case could

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Speaker 3: conclude imminently, the focus will soon shift to the defense

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Speaker 3: and ultimately the jury, who must decide whether the once

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Speaker 3: celebrated real estate moguls are guilty of orchestrating what the

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Speaker 3: prosecution describes as a year's long scheme of sexual exploitation.

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Speaker 2: What is at the heart of the allegations. I guess

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Speaker 2: the so called real Estate Bros.

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Speaker 1: A trio of brothers, luxury real estate agents to the

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Speaker 1: super rich, indicted on federal sex trafficking and battery charges.

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Speaker 4: Claims go back more than.

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Speaker 2: A decade, claims going back more than a decade. Try

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Speaker 2: two decades now, forty women that we know, ah the

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Speaker 2: claiming these filth, the rich real estate moguls took part

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Speaker 2: in rape after rape after systematic rape, and that the

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Speaker 2: allegations go back to when they were in high school.

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Speaker 2: All that money, all that privilege and education has bought

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Speaker 2: them a one way ticket to Hell with a pitstop

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Speaker 2: and the federal penitentiary. That's my prediction. But I want

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Speaker 2: you to hear what Damian Williams, the US attorney, has

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Speaker 2: to say.

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Speaker 5: The Alexander brothers and other men they planned the trips with,

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Speaker 5: paid for the flights or accommodations for the women on

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Speaker 5: these trips, and at times the defendants hand picked the

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Speaker 5: women to invite. At other times they used paid party

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Speaker 5: promoters to source women for them.

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Speaker 1: The indictment also.

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Speaker 5: Alleges that in advance of these events, the Alexander brothers

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Speaker 5: and others procured drugs that they agreed to provide to

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Speaker 5: the women. Including cocaine, mushrooms, and GHB as. We allege

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Speaker 5: that these drugs caused some of the women to be

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Speaker 5: physically unable to fight back or to escape.

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Speaker 2: Now you know why they're calling it the new ditty

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Speaker 2: or should I say the new ditties?

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Speaker 1: Now, that's what the US.

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Speaker 2: Attorney is saying for the US attorney for the Southern District.

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Speaker 2: But I want you to look at Oran Alexander on

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Speaker 2: the founder.

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Speaker 1: Having the ability to work with my brothers.

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Speaker 6: Have a partner with your brother, you know, just think

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Speaker 6: about that for a second.

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Speaker 7: It's the biggest issue you have a partnership is the

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Speaker 7: trust and knowing that you don't have to worry.

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Speaker 1: Honey, you got something to worry about.

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Speaker 2: Now, what if your brother flips on you and testifies

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Speaker 2: against you. Let's just analyze what we just heard, and

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Speaker 2: that's where our friends. That from the founder on YouTube,

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Speaker 2: that's or an Alexander one of the and I mean

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Speaker 2: filed the rich rolling in money, that's or an Alexander quote.

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Speaker 2: Having the ability to work with my brother, to have

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Speaker 1: You know, just think about that for second. Don't worry.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: The biggest issue you have in partnership is trust and

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Speaker 1: Okay, what happened with me?

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Speaker 2: An All Star panel, Let's get to it straight out

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Speaker 2: to Christina Yo joining US national news anchor Salem News Channel.

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Speaker 1: Christina, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: I'm really curious about how much money these two have,

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Speaker 2: and this goes all the way back. Their family is wealthy,

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Speaker 2: their grandfather wealthy, blah blah blah blah, kind of like

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Speaker 2: Luigi MANNGIONI just all that money too, silver spoons in

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Speaker 1: And yet this what happened, Christina.

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Speaker 7: You know, actually I think it started way back when

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Speaker 7: they were in high school. As people are now starting

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Speaker 7: to come out and say that they actually had a

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Speaker 7: sex fan that was parked in front of their parents

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Speaker 7: forty million dollar beach front of state where the boys,

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Speaker 7: the brothers in high school, would take women to have

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Speaker 7: this has been behavior that has been encouraged, perhaps by

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Speaker 7: their parents, all the way through. Then you add the

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Speaker 7: hundreds of millions of dollars in properties that these brothers

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Speaker 7: have sold in the security business, and they're pretty much

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Speaker 7: running around town doing anything that they want, including, according

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Speaker 7: to prosecutors, drugging women raping women. Each brother has separately

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Speaker 7: been accused of at least ten rapes, ten forcible rapes

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Speaker 7: by women, and prosecutors are saying.

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Speaker 2: That, hey, hey Christina, Christina Ohio. Hold on, wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: we were just looking at them. Karen Stark, why is

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Speaker 2: it so hard for people to believe that super wealthy,

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Speaker 2: college educated, great job guys can commit heinous crimes. That's

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Speaker 2: what he posted on his own Facebook. Go ahead, well, I.

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Speaker 8: Really believe Nancy, and people see this outward of parents.

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Speaker 8: They're dressed so well, they look so terrific that they

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Speaker 8: buy that that they believe that that's what they really like,

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Speaker 8: and they have no idea what's going on behind the scene.

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Speaker 8: And actually the fact that he says he trusts his brother,

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Speaker 8: I was thinking, yeah, they trust. All of them trust

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Speaker 8: each other in supporting the crimes that they committed, which

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Speaker 8: made it even worse because they were encouraged.

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Speaker 2: Nima Ramani is joining US high profile lawyer out of

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Speaker 2: the California jurisdiction and for my purposes, former federal prosecutor,

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Speaker 2: president of the West Coast Trial Lawyers and author of

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Speaker 2: Harvard to hashtag.

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Speaker 1: Nima, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Many people not familiar with our world of crime would say, hey,

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Speaker 2: why do they have to rape women with good looks?

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Speaker 2: Of course they're not attractive to me. I think they

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Speaker 2: look like Satan himself. But with good looks and all

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Speaker 2: that money, they could get anyone where they want, so

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Speaker 2: why rape a woman.

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Speaker 1: That kind of argument has actually worked.

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Speaker 4: On Jurrys before it has But Nancy, this isn't just

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Speaker 4: having sex with women. We're talking about drug induced orgies

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Speaker 4: right where multiple men, including the two brothers, are allegedly

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Speaker 4: want to have sex with a handsome, wealthy man, but

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Speaker 4: not get in a situation where they're having an orgy

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Speaker 4: and they are being violated by multiple men.

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Speaker 2: Your speaking sense to me, Yes, I know that. That's

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Speaker 2: my point, Nima, I'm like two steps beyond that. Of course,

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Speaker 2: what you just said is right. What I'm saying is

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Speaker 2: it would be argued to a jury.

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Speaker 1: Just look at them.

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Speaker 2: Why would they have to source women with a pr

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Speaker 2: person in other words, basically pimp pimp for the brothers

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Speaker 2: because they could get any woman they want. Therefore, ergo

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Speaker 2: they're innocent.

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Speaker 4: It's not just any woman, Nancy. They need new women

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Speaker 4: every single night, and they want to do things to

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Speaker 4: obviously this is a family show, so I'm not going

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Speaker 4: to get into all that, but that's why they're using

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Speaker 4: drugs like GHB to drug these women so they can't

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Speaker 4: say no.

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Speaker 9: That's what this is all about. And ze tailor as old.

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Speaker 4: As time doesn't matter if it's the Alexander Brothers, Diddy,

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Speaker 4: I can see that.

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Speaker 2: I'm clearly I think you and I have a communication

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Speaker 2: problem because you're just basically saying everything that I say.

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Speaker 2: I'm Linn Shaw helped me out here, founder executive director

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Speaker 2: Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending sex attacks on children and women.

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Speaker 2: Lynn Shaw. I'm trying to make the point that the

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Speaker 2: argument will be made by the defense. I already know

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Speaker 2: the facts is presented by the state. Everything that Ramani

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Speaker 2: just said, I get it. I've read the indictment. Okay,

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Speaker 2: the defense is going to argue at trial they don't

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Speaker 2: need to rate women. They can get any woman they want. Therefore,

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Speaker 2: this is consensual. That's b It's argued in so many

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Speaker 10: I call them the Alexander brothers crime family, and I

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Speaker 10: call these Dirty Ditty complicit wannabes. Listen, the egos are

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Speaker 10: so big they're out of control. Again, this is the

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Speaker 10: same story we heard with Ditty and others facing charges

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Speaker 10: like this that so many vulnerable girls and women.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to throw in the girls again.

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Speaker 10: I wish we could get down to were there any

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Speaker 10: miners involved, but that will unfold at some point. They

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Speaker 10: want to see and live this lifestyle. Many of these

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Speaker 10: women were approached online complete strangers and they said, we'll

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Speaker 10: want to experience this. I'm here to say if this

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Speaker 10: case can help us educate the general public, because we're

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Speaker 10: hearing about all these you know, Dirty Ditty, We're hearing

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Speaker 10: about Tape Brothers, we're hearing hearing about Jeffrey Epstein, we're

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Speaker 10: hearing about now these criminal Alexander brothers could if it

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Speaker 10: could water down eventually.

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Speaker 1: My hope is to every day cases.

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Speaker 10: That are happening, that nobody will ever hear those victims,

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Speaker 10: see those victims, so we can educate everybody when they

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Speaker 10: offer you something like this, this lifestyle for free, They're

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Speaker 10: going to fly you somewhere run.

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Speaker 1: In the other direction.

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Speaker 10: This is again their powers, their money, their egos, their homes,

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Speaker 10: overtaking people's common sense. We have to do better educating

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Speaker 10: the public, girls and women about all of this.

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Speaker 2: Their family wealth has been estimated, correct me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 2: Christina a whyo joining me from Salemw's channel, over one

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen million dollars.

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Speaker 7: Correct, And I'm I'm sure that's even more than that,

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Speaker 7: as the parents have offered to put up to one

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Speaker 7: billion dollars to get their three boys out of prison

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Speaker 7: out on bail. They've even offered to put them up

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Speaker 7: in a second story apartment complex where they're jail time,

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Speaker 7: pre trial, that has no beachfront, that has no luxury

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Speaker 7: that's you know, guarded twenty four seven by guard.

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Speaker 2: the parents want to get them out of jail on

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Speaker 2: a billion as in brother b brother billion dollar bail

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Speaker 11: it won't be luxuries so that's what they're considering to

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Speaker 7: And yes, up to one billion with a beat is

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Speaker 7: what they're willing to put up to get their three

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Speaker 12: Bill Day, it's the ditties, it's the new ditties because

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Speaker 2: Those are the allegations that're presumed innocent.

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Speaker 1: But also is Luigi Mangioni all over again.

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Speaker 2: Here is a rich brat kid whining about how US

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Speaker 1: His great grandparents and grandparents and.

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Speaker 2: Mangioni could whine in his luxury condo these two same thing, Bill, Yeah.

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Speaker 13: And in this case, they've actually built their business, so

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Speaker 9: They now feel omnipotent.

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Speaker 14: I mean they have money, they're traveling with celebrities, they're

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Speaker 9: You know, they're selling these huge, multi multimillion dollar properties.

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Speaker 14: They are getting headlines in all kinds of media, including

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Speaker 9: So you know these are the paper people have a

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Speaker 15: I'm not an FBI profile, but I know enough of

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Speaker 2: Guess what, I got a superseding indictment. I bet that's

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Speaker 2: FEDS have a superseding indictment, this is for conspiracy to

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Speaker 2: We're issuing a revised, a new and improved indictment with

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Speaker 1: Who are the so.

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Speaker 6: Called real estate Bros. There are three Alexander brothers. Two

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Speaker 2: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, the so called realty Brothers

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Speaker 2: the Alexander Brothers. Prosecutors say the brothers use their status,

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Speaker 1: Their wealth, to lure to drug.

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Speaker 2: And sex assault, going back two decades all the way

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Speaker 2: What do you believe was the ground?

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Speaker 3: Federal prosecutors say they could wrap their case as soon

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Speaker 3: jurors continue hearing disturbing allegations of alleged drugging, coercion, and

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Speaker 1: Okay, what do we know?

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Speaker 16: In a fifteen million dollar Upper east Side townhouse, the

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Speaker 16: Alexander Twins, Oran and Alon celebrate their twenty eighth birthday.

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Speaker 16: Celebrants are greeted by an a nearly naked woman on

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Speaker 16: enough to be invited to The Alexander Twins birthday Pash.

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Speaker 2: A fifty million dollar Upper east Side townhouse, the real

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Speaker 1: Dripping hot wax on her. Deja vous? Huh does this

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Speaker 1: remind you of anything?

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Speaker 3: Hi?

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Speaker 2: Diddy, there you are nothing like eating soushy off a

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Speaker 2: it's like an echo chamber in here. Well, guess what

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Speaker 2: the Feds apparently in this case anyway, don't care how

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Speaker 2: to the US Attorney for the Southern District OMNI.

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Speaker 5: Or the Alexander Brothers, sometimes acting alone, sometimes with each other,

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Speaker 5: as the indictment alleges that Alexander Brothers sex trafficking agreement

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Speaker 1: These assaults allegedly.

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Speaker 1: It's really a.

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Speaker 2: Lot to take in, you know, very often, as a

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Speaker 2: former prosecutor prosecuting nothing but violent felonies. I would catch

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Speaker 2: myself wondering why, for instance, why not just date a

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Speaker 2: I had one job to seek the truth. Who did, what, where, when?

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Speaker 1: And why?

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Speaker 2: Why not so much to Karen Stark, renowned psychologists joining us, Karen,

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Speaker 2: it's not about sex.

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Speaker 1: That's a simple answer for me.

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Speaker 2: Why don't the real estate bros with all their money

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Speaker 2: and all all their high rises just go date somebody

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Speaker 2: What is it.

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Speaker 8: It's a perversion, Nancy. They're getting off on raping, sateomizing.

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Speaker 8: A normal relationship the kind that you're referring to does

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Speaker 2: Talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing. These wild, extravagant

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Speaker 1: Were not parties at all.

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Speaker 2: They were just a russ to find sex assault victims

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Speaker 6: Listen, the fabulous parties with fabulous people might have been

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Speaker 6: Each of the three brothers has been accused of forcible

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Speaker 2: Second verse, same as the first. Do I have to

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Speaker 2: say deja vu all over again? Why the real estate

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Speaker 2: bros Are called the new Ditties? Same thing now? They

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Speaker 2: called it fabulous parties. Ditty calls it freakoffs.

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Speaker 5: Combs allegedly planned and controlled the sex performances, which he

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Speaker 2: the comparison between the real estate Bros And Ditty are inescapable.

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Speaker 7: They are They both are basically using their power and

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Speaker 1: Everybody in the community was scared to speak out.

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Speaker 7: Because they had so much power, they had so much prominence,

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Speaker 2: Brothers crime stories with Nancy Grace, the so called realty Bros.

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Speaker 2: The three men have pled not guilty to initial charges

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Speaker 2: Those two were the so called real estate royalty in

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Speaker 2: Then they co founded their own real estate brokerage company

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Speaker 1: Okay, what do we know?

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Speaker 17: First witness in the sex trafficking trial involving three brothers,

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Speaker 17: who faced accusations of drugging and raping women and girls

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Speaker 17: over several years. Defense attorneys for the brothers assert that

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Speaker 17: was quote super nonchalant about the whole thing. Assistant US

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Speaker 17: Attorney Madison Smyers, in her opening remarks to the jury,

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Speaker 17: described the Alexander brothers as perpetrators masquerading as party boys.

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Speaker 17: She stated that they employed various tactics, including luxury, accommodations, flights, drugs, alcohol,

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Speaker 17: and sometimes physical force to manipulate women into compromising situations.

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Speaker 17: Defense attorney Teeny Garaghos, representing or A Alexander, urged the

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Speaker 17: jury to dismiss the prosecution's monstrous story, Garaghos portrayed the brothers,

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Speaker 17: who graduated from college in two thousand and eight, as

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Speaker 17: ambitious and occasionally arrogant young men navigating the nightlife scene

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Speaker 17: in search of romantic encounters, arguing that while their behavior

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Speaker 17: may seem immoral, it is not criminal. She suggested that

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Speaker 17: some accusers were pursued doing lawsuits for financial gain and

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Speaker 17: only labeled themselves as victims after regretting their choices, such

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Speaker 17: as using illegal drugs or engaging in sexual activities outside

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Speaker 17: their current relationships. Attorney Deana Paul, representing Tal Alexander, cautioned

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Speaker 17: the jury that the trial's subject matter could be distressing,

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Speaker 17: like to an R rated movie, and emphasizing the prosecution's

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Speaker 17: portrayal of the brothers as quote monsters. In a courtroom sketch,

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Speaker 17: the three brothers, A lawn Or and Tal Alexander were

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Speaker 17: seen in Manhattan Federal Court on the opening day of

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Speaker 17: trial January twenty seven. Tal and Or and Alexander specialized

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Speaker 17: in high end real estate in cities like Miami, New York,

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Speaker 17: and LA while their brother Alan earned a law degree

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Speaker 17: and managed the family's private security business. Tall is thirty

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Speaker 17: nine the twins alan In orran Are thirty eight. The

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Speaker 17: indictment claims the men conspired to lure women to vacation

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Speaker 17: spots like the Hamptons by offering flights and luxurious accommodations.

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Speaker 17: Since their arrest in Miami in December of twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 17: the brothers have been held without bail. During her testimony

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Speaker 17: on Tuesday, the first witness described how she escaped the

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Speaker 17: room where Alan Alexander had attacked her after he fell asleep.

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Speaker 17: Despite the emotional weight of her testimony, she maintained her

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Speaker 17: composure for the most part, though she became visibly upset

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Speaker 17: at times, particularly when she reflected on reaching out to

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Speaker 17: a friend years later after the incident to remind herself

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Speaker 17: that she was still love.

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Speaker 3: This week, an FBI special agent presented jurors with detailed

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Speaker 3: charts showing years of emails and text messages. Prosecutors argue

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Speaker 3: reveal patterns of coordination and planning among the brothers dating

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Speaker 3: back to two thousand and nine. One accuser, identified in

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Speaker 3: court as Victim twenty, testified that she met Orin Alexander

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Speaker 3: during a ski trip in Aspen and soon became heavily intoxicated.

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Speaker 3: After drinking champagne with hid Him and his brother Tall.

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Speaker 3: She told jurors that she regained partial awareness to find

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Speaker 3: Orin on top of her, and then she felt confused, sore,

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Speaker 3: and humiliated. The next day, she also testified she later

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Speaker 3: learned that she had contracted chlamydia from Orin. Defense attorneys, however,

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Speaker 3: have aggressively challenged the credibility of accusers, pointing to flirtatious messages,

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Speaker 3: gaps in memory, and continued contact with the brothers after

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Speaker 3: the alleged assaults. The defense has argued these interactions were consensual,

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Speaker 3: while highlighting inconsistencies in witness testimony.

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Speaker 2: The Alexander brothers are so called real estate bros rolling

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Speaker 2: in money, also called the new Ditties. All of their

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Speaker 2: trouble started, well, it really started all the way back

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Speaker 2: in high school when they're accused of sex saulting women

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Speaker 2: all the way that back then, but the current day

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Speaker 2: problems i e. Their rape charged, which is all started

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Speaker 2: when one woman spoke out. According to prosecutors, the rapes

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Speaker 2: and sex assaults have been going on for years and

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Speaker 2: years and years until this woman spoke out.

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Speaker 6: Listen, the Alexander brothers fall from grace begins when the

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Speaker 6: Real Deal reports on damning lawsuits brought by alleged victims

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Speaker 6: Kay Wyman and Rebecca Mandel. Wyman alleges the brothers abducted

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Speaker 6: her in twenty twelve and brought her to a Hampton's

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Speaker 6: party palace in Watermill, Long Island, where the brothers allegedly

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Speaker 6: dragged her into a large bedroom where she was sexually assaulted, abused, raped, pinned, groped, harassed,

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Speaker 6: battered and fondled by a lawn and or in Alexander,

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Speaker 6: isn't it amazing?

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Speaker 2: Linn saw joining us in Lynn's Warriors, how it only

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Speaker 2: takes one person, one person to stand up and be counted,

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Speaker 2: one person to speak out, even though they may be

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Speaker 2: afraid for the whole house of cards to fall down.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, but we have to educate everybody that we will

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Speaker 10: give you safety, we will give you guardrails, we will

514
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Speaker 10: stand next to you. That is what I'm hoping all

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Speaker 10: of these dirty ditties and this Alexander Brothers crime family

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Speaker 10: will bring more public awareness again watering down to you know,

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Speaker 10: maybe that team that lives in the Bronx or something

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Speaker 10: like that, that they can come forward. We will take

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Speaker 10: care of them. But I want to point something out.

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Speaker 10: There is so much video evidence here, and I want

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Speaker 10: to go back to what happened with all those videos

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Speaker 10: where they upload it to porn sites? Was there millions

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Speaker 10: of dollars? Because we do a lot of work with this.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Lynn Shaw, hold on, you're exactly right

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Speaker 2: straight out to Christina at Yo joining US news anchor

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Speaker 2: and investigative reporter. What are these so called trophies of

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Speaker 2: the real estate bros That has just have just been revealed.

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Speaker 7: Yes, well, it's one thing to have a witness testimony, right,

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Speaker 7: but it's an entirely different situation when you have video evidence.

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Speaker 7: As we just saw with the Cassie and Ditty situation.

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Speaker 7: Prosecutors and investigators rated tell Alexander's Manhattan apartment and they

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Speaker 7: found a hard drive filled with pictures and videos. They're

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Speaker 7: saying in these videos, of course, there's the quote unquote

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Speaker 7: orgys or the sessions where alleged rape is happening. They

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Speaker 7: are saying that women can be seen highly intoxicated on

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Speaker 7: alcohol or maybe even drug. They're saying they're seeing in

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Speaker 7: these videos where the brothers are physically manipulating these women's

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Speaker 7: bodies to have sex with them, and most of the

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Speaker 7: time they're saying these women do not know they're being recorded.

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Speaker 7: There's this one incident that they explain that a woman

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Speaker 7: and a man are having sex in a stall and

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Speaker 7: another person is recording over the stall with a camera,

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Speaker 7: and when the woman sees it, she protests, she says no.

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Speaker 7: So it's going to be pretty difficult. For whatever reason

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Speaker 7: they kept these videos or they have these videos, it's

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Speaker 7: going to be difficult to defend this in court.

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Speaker 2: Christina, you stated that one of the videos was taken

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Speaker 2: over a stall.

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Speaker 7: What yep, so a man and a woman we're having sex.

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Speaker 7: It did in detail if that was forced rape. It

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Speaker 7: didn't detail what that was exactly. But there is a

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Speaker 7: third person who is holding a video camera up over

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Speaker 7: the bathroom stall where the woman and man are inside

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Speaker 7: of that stall having sex, and the woman sees the camera.

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Speaker 7: She tells them to stop, and they don't stop. And

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Speaker 7: that's what prosecutors are saying. They're not listening to these women.

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Speaker 7: They're manipulating their bodies, and they won't stop when the

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Speaker 7: women are asking them to stop.

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Speaker 2: Trophies trophies to Nima Romani, joining US former federal prosecutor

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Speaker 2: President of West Coast Trial Warriors, author of Harvard to

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Speaker 2: Hashtag's Nima trophies have been the undoing of so Manie

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Speaker 2: criminals explain.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's great evidence if you're a prosecutor because people

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Speaker 4: can lie. Criminal and fendants lie all the time, even

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Speaker 4: witnesses and victims can sometimes lie.

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Speaker 1: But video doesn't lie.

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Speaker 4: And when you have video of these sex acts, that

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Speaker 4: is the best evidence when you're a prosecutor, because really

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Speaker 4: there's only two defenses in any sex trafficking case. Either

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Speaker 4: the sexual activity didn't happen or it was consensual. That's it.

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Speaker 4: And once you have that video, it certainly takes away

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Speaker 4: the first offense, and then when women are being drug

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Speaker 4: takes away the second as well. And there's really two

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Speaker 4: reasons why people record these sex sects. The first is

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Speaker 4: their own deviant sexual pleasure, and I think that's probably

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Speaker 4: why Diddy was recording his freak offs. But there's the

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Speaker 4: second reason, and that is to have control over the victims,

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Speaker 4: potentially blackmail them and say, hey, if you come after me,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to leak these videos.

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Speaker 2: Christina Jyo, isn't it true that these videos were pulled

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Speaker 2: off of a hard drive that was found hidden in

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Speaker 2: a closet during a federal search.

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Speaker 7: Yes, in tall Alexander's Manhattan apartment, so they were really searching.

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Speaker 7: They had the warrant to go through everything, and he

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Speaker 7: kept them. He kept them on a hard drive. And

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Speaker 7: it's not just videos, it's pictures as well. And it

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Speaker 7: goes to show that just like he said, men, women

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Speaker 7: light witnesses lie perhaps, but the video is not going

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Speaker 7: to lie. And this is pretty tough evidence. However, this

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Speaker 7: is already saying that this doesn't prove anything. This doesn't

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Speaker 7: prove a commercial act. This doesn't prove that they were drugged.

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Speaker 7: It may prove that they're intoxicated, but he's saying, oh,

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Speaker 7: these are just big orgies. Everybody was willing and there

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Speaker 7: is nothing going on here, So next story, please, you know.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me.

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Speaker 2: In the last few days, Shawn Comes aka Diddi's defense

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Speaker 2: team has stated they want the free coll videos to

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Speaker 2: be made public because it quote proves his innocence. Okay, sure,

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Speaker 2: you know another thing. If it's so innocent, why was

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Speaker 2: it hidden in a closet? But thinking about the videos,

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Speaker 2: the trophies pulled from a hard drive in the real

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Speaker 2: estate Bro's closet. It reminds me of a certain raid

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Speaker 2: that went down on Shawn Combs's mansion. In that case,

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Speaker 2: as well, Bill Daily, former FBI trophies quote trophies were

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Speaker 2: obtained during that raid. Bill Daily video equipment was reportedly discovered,

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Speaker 2: along with over a thousand bottles of lubricant baby oil.

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Speaker 2: Trophies have been the bane of many criminals existence.

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Speaker 1: Why trophies well, you know.

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Speaker 14: And as if you go to other kind of repeat offenders,

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Speaker 14: repeat criminals such as Dennis Raider, the bund torture.

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Speaker 13: Kill fiend, you know, they either keep pieces of clothing,

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Speaker 13: they keep some something to remind them something. Who's going

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Speaker 13: to get them excited, Something's going to you know, make

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Speaker 13: them remember how how wonderful it was that they controlled

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Speaker 13: this person, that they did what they did. And so

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Speaker 13: for all these things, it's some time.

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Speaker 1: Are you putting perfume on the pig daily? That's not

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Speaker 1: like you.

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Speaker 2: The souvenirs, the trophies quote get them excited.

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Speaker 1: You may give them an direction.

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Speaker 9: Well, you know that as well as sharing among other

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Speaker 9: people being able to.

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Speaker 13: In some cases they like to share it because they've

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Speaker 13: they've had this experience of other people.

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Speaker 9: They keep it.

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Speaker 13: They look at themselves, you know, maybe other people. They

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Speaker 13: let them see that. That all kind of gives them

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Speaker 13: a sense of control. It goes back to that essence

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Speaker 13: of controlling individuals, controlling their environment, doing what they want

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Speaker 13: to do, using that leverage over people.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 13: In this case, Nancy, in a very interesting point it

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Speaker 13: came up, which is simply what we've seen in other cases,

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Speaker 13: is that as the FBI was investigating this, reports are

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Speaker 13: coming out that multiple victims.

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Speaker 9: Have the same stories.

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Speaker 13: Again, people who've been not connected, not there at the

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Speaker 13: same place, same time, but have the same.

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Speaker 9: Story to tell.

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Speaker 14: All of that is extreming and as part of what

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Speaker 14: I believe the FBI is and the US the Attorney's

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Speaker 14: Office is making their case out of is.

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Speaker 9: That they have statements, and I would.

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Speaker 2: Encourage people, you know, I'm very curious, Bill Daily.

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Speaker 1: I think this goes beyond your or my kin.

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Speaker 2: Colloquial for understanding joining me psychologist Karen Stark.

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Speaker 1: Everything Bill Daily said is correct, But what.

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Speaker 2: Is the reason, the mental or the psychological reason that

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Speaker 2: people like Dennis Raider or in this case, the real

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Speaker 2: estate bros also called the rape bros.

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Speaker 1: But those are just accusations. Why keep all these videos

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Speaker 1: they're damning.

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Speaker 8: It's a wonderful way for them to relive the crime.

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Speaker 8: Nancy and whatever got them off when they were doing it,

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Speaker 8: whatever got them excited and gave them erections and orgasms,

656
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Speaker 8: They can do that all over again repeatedly because they

657
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 8: have these trophies. It's great if it's a video, but

658
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 8: it can be an airing. It could be a necklace,

659
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 8: it could be a piece of clothing. It doesn't matter.

660
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 8: They wind up reliving the excitement that they felt at

661
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 8: the time and how much they controlled the situation.

662
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: For years.

663
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 5: The Alexander brothers, sometimes with others, also arranged domestic and

664
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 5: international trips to carry out their sex trafficking scheme. To

665
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 5: recruit and induce women to come on the trips, they

666
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 5: provided material benefits, things like travel to vacation destinations, luxury accommodations,

667
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 5: and access to other high end experiences.

668
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: Are the claims true? Should I believe the real estate Bros?

669
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 2: Or should I believe all of the women now coming forward,

670
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: some of them named in federal indictments, others filing civil suits.

671
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: What's very hard for many people to understand, including myself,

672
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 2: is how the real estate bros. Acted how they faked

673
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: a happy home life.

674
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 6: Listen, the Alexander brothers are all married now. Alahan married

675
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 6: Shaney Zigrin, with whom he has two children, in May

676
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 6: of twenty twenty. Or In married model Camilla Hanson in

677
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 6: April twenty twenty three, and Tall married Ariel Cogt in

678
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 6: October of twenty twenty three. Or In pleaded with the

679
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 6: judge to let him out as his wife was pregnant

680
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 6: and do any day. His request was denied.

681
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: That's something the baby can say as it grows up.

682
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: Dad was in jail on ape charges when I was born.

683
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: This whole facade of a happy family again, it's diddy Rediu.

684
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: Listen, be happy.

685
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 9: Two of you get on the phone.

686
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: To veteran try a lawyer, former felanty prosecutor Nima Ramani.

687
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: Nima. It would not be.

688
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: The first time a so called family man was ultimately

689
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: convicted of repeat offenses.

690
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there's Dennis Raider that Bill Dealey brought up earlier.

691
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 2: Who would sex assault and kill so many women and

692
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 2: including young girls on his dog catching route the whole

693
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: time he had a family at home.

694
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: When he was a deacon in the church.

695
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: Uh. Then you've gotten Gaysey John Wayne Gacy, who would

696
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 2: go to children's birthday parties to entertain the children dressed

697
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: as a clown. I don't know how many boys bodies

698
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: were pulled out of his crawl space. Then you got

699
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: Ted Bundy, who seemingly was a successful law school student.

700
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: He's a serial killer. He goes on and on, and.

701
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: Do I have to say, Rex Huerman, the eight hundred

702
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: pound gorilla in the room, the architect by day, serial

703
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: killer by night, with a wife and two children.

704
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 4: Nancy and human's wife actually saw some of these sex acts,

705
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 4: at least allegedly, so this question of what she knew.

706
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: But this is criminal defense.

707
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 4: Lawyering one on one. They want to show the jurors

708
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 4: that the defendant has family support. That's why you see

709
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 4: Diddy's family at every single appearance. That's why I fully

710
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 4: expect the Alexander brothers to have their parents, the wives

711
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 4: who haven't filed divorce to be at those court proceedings,

712
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 4: because that's what jurors expect. They want to see the

713
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 4: family members supporting the folks who are accused and are on.

714
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: Trap and Mike Didty the New.

715
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: Ditties have a fantastical scheme of how they're going to

716
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 2: stay out of MDC Metropolitan Detention Center.

717
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: Listen.

718
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 6: In a crazy bid to keep their boys out of incarceration,

719
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 6: the parents of the Alexander brothers have offered to provide

720
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 6: private imprisonment. In a real proposal to authorities, Shlomo and

721
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 6: Orle Alexander proposed confining the brothers to a two bedroom

722
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 6: apartment on the eighth floor of a Miami building, emphasizing

723
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 6: the apartment is non waterfront and non luxury. They promised

724
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 6: security guards would be stationed around the clock and an

725
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 6: alarm system would make sure the brothers remain on site.

726
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 6: The parents also offered to put up to one billion

727
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 6: dollars bail for their sons to get out of jail.

728
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: In case you.

729
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: Didn't get that, it's one billion as in brother b

730
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: as in brother, not million billion. The parents offering to

731
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 2: put up one billion dollars cash to get their sons

732
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: out of jail. Maybe they were going to put it

733
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: some equity into that, but one billion dollars bill to

734
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: get their sons out and having them imprisoned.

735
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: In a Miami high rise.

736
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: And the suffering part was that they wouldn't get a

737
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: beach front view ouch. That has to hurt. How dare you,

738
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: mommy and daddy Christina Yo. It's reminiscent of the last bid, well,

739
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: the last three bids by Sean Combs to get out

740
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,479
Speaker 2: on bid where he offered the judge a multimillion dollar

741
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: bill package. I think it was twenty mil and he

742
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: would stay in a Manhattan town home with his own

743
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 2: private security guards to keep him from raping people.

744
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: Eerie echo, right, And that's the draw, right exactly.

745
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 7: I promised not to rape anybody during this time. I

746
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 7: promised that I'm not going to have any orgies. In fact,

747
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 7: I won't even have any women over, So that in

748
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 7: and of itself is a huge punishment. This is the

749
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 7: same thing that we're seeing with these brothers, and quite frankly,

750
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 7: I don't know how much the parents can be trusted

751
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 7: in this whole situation, because we talk about pretending to

752
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 7: have a perfect family. But I go back to the

753
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 7: sex bus that was sitting outside of their forty million

754
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 7: dollar home as the brothers were in high school, and

755
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 7: people have said witness testimony, they are saying that back

756
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 7: in those days that women in the scene, in the

757
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 7: Miami scene because for some reason high school brothers were

758
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 7: in the Miami scene. They were warned not to drink

759
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 7: any drinks that came from the brothers and to stay

760
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 7: away from the brothers.

761
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 16: The Alexander brothers are accused of using their wealth and

762
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 16: positions to create and facilitate opportunities to rape and sexually

763
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 16: assault women. So far, more than forty women have come

764
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 16: forward accusing the three Alexander brothers of sexual misconduct, and

765
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 16: investigators are asking other women who believe they have been

766
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 16: assaulted to call. Attorneys for the brothers say they planned

767
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 16: to plead not guilty to the charges, which, if convicted,

768
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 16: could lend all three brothers in prison for life.

769
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 2: As we are discussing these alleged acts, sex assault, rape, sodomies,

770
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: that's what we're saying, reportedly date all the way back

771
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: to when the Real Estate Bros Were in high school.

772
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 18: Listen as news of the arrests start to spread, stories

773
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 18: from the Alexander brothers high school years come to light.

774
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 18: Their history of sexual violence dates back decades to their

775
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 18: high school days in Miami, where they bragged about several

776
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 18: gang rapes. Prosecutors say each of the victims that the

777
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 18: government has interviewed from this period, reported hearing that individuals involved,

778
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 18: including Tal Alexander, talked about the assaults at school, boasting

779
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 18: about running train on their victims and saying they wanted

780
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 18: to do it again.

781
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: You know, Lynn Shaw, as many rape and sodomy cases

782
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: that I've investigated, I have tried, have pled out to

783
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: jail time have covered.

784
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 1: It's still it's disgusting.

785
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: It's it just makes something and you want to die

786
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 2: to hear about them bragging about quote running train on

787
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: the victims, which means multiple rapists on one victim, saying

788
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 2: they quote wanted to do it again. It never ceases

789
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 2: to be heartbreaking that a victim would go through this.

790
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 10: Well, we can't die, Nancy. We have to stand for

791
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 10: those that don't have a voice. And I want us

792
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 10: to focus on two things here. I want us to

793
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 10: focus on where was mama Alexander. We're talking about a

794
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 10: sex bus when these trio of triplets, dirty ditty triplets

795
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 10: were right part right in front of their multimillion dollar mansion.

796
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 10: I'm telling you, as a mother, I knew when my

797
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 10: kids moved a throw pillow on my couch. Where were

798
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 10: the parents at this time? And throughout all of this.

799
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 10: The second thing I want to and we have to

800
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 10: talk about that because people have to start standing up.

801
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 10: Where were these parents? They were the talk of the town.

802
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 10: We're hearing, you know, in the Miami, Florida area, So

803
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 10: we should focus on that. I also want to focus

804
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 10: on you're not going to see their wives in court

805
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 10: with them. Those women are taking their kids and running

806
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 10: for the hills. One has already filed for divorce. Okay,

807
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 10: they're going to turn evidence on them. They're beautiful young women,

808
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 10: they have some young children, a newborn baby.

809
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: They're not sticking around for this.

810
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 10: And the third thing I want to get back to

811
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 10: we're not talking enough about is that oldest brother with

812
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 10: his security firm. There is video evidence. Where are all

813
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 10: those videos going? I guarantee, I hope we have a

814
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 10: forensic accountant coming along. That they have been uploaded not

815
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 10: only to control their victims and to scare them, they

816
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 10: have been uploaded to porn sites where these monsters make

817
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 10: millions and millions.

818
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: Of dollars across the globe.

819
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 10: And these are things we should be looking at.

820
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: Of course, the parents aren't charged with anything now two

821
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 2: of them, or in ant Alon Alexander, also face State

822
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: six trafficking charges in Florida. Everybody has pled not guilty.

823
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: We wait as justice on false. Goodbye, friend the peace

824
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 2: attic to the position