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Speaker 1: back to the newest edition of the Giants Subtle Podcast.

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Speaker 1: John Smoke with you today's guest Serious XM host an

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Speaker 1: NFL insider, Adam Capelan. But first one of my mind everybody.

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Speaker 1: by our guest Adam Caplan. You hear him on Sirius

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Speaker 1: XM as an NFL insider. Adam Hope you and your

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Speaker 1: family are doing well during what has been a weird

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Speaker 1: year and a half for us. John, Yeah, it definitely has.

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Speaker 1: But hopefully in the future everybody gets vaccined up and

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Speaker 1: now we can get back to normal, because I really

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Speaker 1: want to go back to training camps. First time in

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Speaker 1: eighteen years, I did not really have a training camp tour,

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Speaker 1: so that was disappointing. Yeah, and you can tell where

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Speaker 1: we're kind of meeting that year circle here, Adam, because

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Speaker 1: the last event we had last year was the NFL

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Speaker 1: Combine wherever I wasn't in the year, I saw you

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Speaker 1: and in in and it was normal. You know, Thank goodness

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Speaker 1: really dodged a bullet that that wasn't some kind of

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Speaker 1: to people, I guess this is a fun place to start.

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Speaker 1: How is that going to impact not just the drafting

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Speaker 1: the evaluation process, but the combine is also a place

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Speaker 1: where free agent deals start getting negotiated, team start talking

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Speaker 1: trades and things of that nature. John, the most under

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Speaker 1: agreed to already. Well, you just said it, and this

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Speaker 1: is a big reason why a couple of GM said

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Speaker 1: So they didn't have the last week of February. Now

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Speaker 1: it's a crutch to get talks going. So what they're

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Speaker 1: doing is there. They've done them now and over years

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Speaker 1: And it's funny you mentioned the combine that was the

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Speaker 1: last event. That's actually the last time I flew was

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Speaker 1: last year, coming back from India. It is kind of

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Speaker 1: it's amazing how fast time has phone here. It's been

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Speaker 1: a year now. Well, it really is crazy. So I

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Speaker 1: and we can touch on those. How much do you

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Speaker 1: So I think that's a good window, Adam. Let's let's

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Speaker 1: kind of shift to the Giants here. Now, let's start

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Speaker 1: Adam and I think that brings up an interesting point.

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Speaker 1: year below market value. I know the Cats going up

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Speaker 1: next year, so I'm gonna wait to sign long term

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Speaker 1: until we get to the off season. Yeah, you look

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Speaker 1: he waited, he waited, waited, and then he got an

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Speaker 1: extension that more or less, he signed a one year

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Speaker 1: proven deal as an older player in his thirties. And

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Speaker 1: you know you're asking me before. Look, I don't see

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys waiting until August. Here's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: We don't know about the off season or are we

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Speaker 1: gonna have May and June this year, because in terms

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Speaker 1: of practice, we didn't last year. So a lot plays

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Speaker 1: into that. We know veterans don't like him being they

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Speaker 1: don't want to be there anyway. So I don't know

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Speaker 1: how much it's really gonna matter anyway, but it sure

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Speaker 1: as heck means a lot for first and second year players. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and Adam you mentioned what what teams around the lead

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Speaker 1: thought about the Giants performance against Seattle. What are the

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Speaker 1: general things you're hearing about the job that people think?

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Patrick Graham, But Joe Judge has done as

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Speaker 1: a first year head coach with the Giants a lot

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Speaker 1: of respect, ton of respect from because if you talk

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Speaker 1: to people in the league when he got hired, not

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Speaker 1: a lot of people not not I know, probably a

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Speaker 1: coaches have dealt with over twenty years. A lot of

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Speaker 1: guys don't know him. Yeah, I know he coached receivers,

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Speaker 1: but people know him for coaching special teams. And unless

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Speaker 1: you're an East Coast guy, Philly area guy, you grew

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Speaker 1: up near me. Actually a lot of guys just didn't

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Speaker 1: know him. And the discipline that they played with and

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Speaker 1: over time and some people actually thought they overachieved. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if by the record you would say that,

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Speaker 1: but he certainly got them to play hard, which is

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Speaker 1: what coaches around the league noticed about the Giants and

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Speaker 1: how well coached they were. Jason Garrett also we should

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Speaker 1: mention did it a good job as the O C.

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Speaker 1: And look at what you do is you look at

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Speaker 1: the roster, John and they have a base of a roster.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, Daniel Jones is their guide. Quarterback,

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Speaker 1: Barkley come back from his tour an a c. L Um.

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Speaker 1: You want to see Darius Slayton kind of take the

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Speaker 1: next step. Andrew Thomas will get better. Was the struggle

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Speaker 1: form at left tackle. But he'll get better. You got

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Speaker 1: to figure out the offensive line that still is in flux.

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Speaker 1: That that is a challenge for Dave Gentleman in offense

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Speaker 1: due to figure that out. Hey, by the way, Evan

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Speaker 1: Ingram good season, stayed relatively healthy for a change. That

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Speaker 1: was a good season. We'll see what they do with him.

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Speaker 1: And then you got the great play colon with Patrick Graham.

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Speaker 1: On defense. They've got some really good players on defense.

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Speaker 1: Brad Barr was an excellent signing. They went through a

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Speaker 1: lot of corners that they got to get through. That

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Speaker 1: this to me on paper, if all things work out

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Speaker 1: and Getleman continues to build this roster and the young

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Speaker 1: kids get better, this is an eight nineties seventeen for one,

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Speaker 1: which means we're taking a nice step and that that

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Speaker 1: that's all you really want. And obviously Barkley coming back,

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Speaker 1: and by the way, Dwayne Goldman did a great job

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Speaker 1: filling in in a funnier we'll see if they could

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Speaker 1: bring him back. So there were some really good stories

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Speaker 1: a lot. Uh uh, you know it's it's it's interesting. John.

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Speaker 1: In the NFC East, you had so much turmoil last season. Um,

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Speaker 1: we know what happened, Gallas father decordinator, the Eagles fire

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Speaker 1: their head coach. That could sure they've agreed to trade

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Speaker 1: their quarterback. He had Washington getting the playoffs with the record. Um,

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Speaker 1: and you have a Giant situation, a lot of turmoil.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, Joe Judge did the best job

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Speaker 1: in that division. I would say, no question. All right,

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Speaker 1: two things you mentioned an answer that that I think

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Speaker 1: you're interesting. How do you think the Giant should go

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Speaker 1: about addressing that second perimeter cornerback. He's already talked about

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Speaker 1: two the big needs receiver and pass rush. I think

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Speaker 1: that second perimeter cornerback is probably next on the list.

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Speaker 1: How do you think they best go about trying to

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Speaker 1: address that? Yeah, I mean you could. In fact, I

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Speaker 1: mean it was really surprised me if they don't bring

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Speaker 1: at least a veteran into compete for playing time to

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Speaker 1: be in the mix, but also drafting one, you can't

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Speaker 1: worry about missing on DeAndre Baker. That that's done and gone.

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Speaker 1: It is what it is. You move on. You can

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Speaker 1: still draft one fairly high. I've heard mixed reviews. Were

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Speaker 1: not even closer the draft yet. We're obviously well over

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Speaker 1: two months, but I've heard mixed reviews. It's it's sort

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Speaker 1: of top heavy that it drops off. Um. To me,

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Speaker 1: you gotta add too. I mean, I know they have

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Speaker 1: homes in the item and cut a couple of other guys,

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Speaker 1: but to me, you need high level guys. Uh, And

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Speaker 1: I just think you've got to bring him to and

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Speaker 1: get competition. Opposite Bradbury, you mentioned Daniel Jones, and I'm

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Speaker 1: closer to it than pretty much everybody. But I think

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Speaker 1: if you look past the reduction and touchdown passes last

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Speaker 1: year Adam, a lot of the other numbers are positive.

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Speaker 1: His completion percentage was up, his deep ball was a

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Speaker 1: lot better, his turnovers were way down in his second

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Speaker 1: year compared to his first. What do you think the

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Speaker 1: general impression is around the league and from you in

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Speaker 1: terms of what you saw from Daniel Jones in his

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Speaker 1: second year, and by the way, he ran the ball

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Speaker 1: a lot better too. Yeah, he's a pretty good athlete.

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting. I was sitting next to the offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator during the nineteen Senior Bowl and this offensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: had not even watched his tape and goes, that looks

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Speaker 1: like an NFL quarterback right there, and he just watched

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Speaker 1: him throw the football and you could see if ball

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Speaker 1: comes out. Pretty athletic guy, strong arm um, it seems

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Speaker 1: to be pretty durable. He's taking a bunch of hits.

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Speaker 1: You like his leadership, pretty good kid, like the way

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Speaker 1: he's wired. They just have to continue to build around him.

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Speaker 1: And he's another guy. Again, we talked about Slaton. He

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Speaker 1: would have benefited from having an offseason like his improvement.

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Speaker 1: He did that without May and June O t a

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Speaker 1: s without a mandatory camp in June, without a real

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Speaker 1: training kept no preseason, so I'm encouraged. Look, yeah, the

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Speaker 1: numbers weren't great, but we didn't talk about Golden Tate.

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Speaker 1: I'm Golden Taiate obviously is not the player he once was.

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Speaker 1: He's got enormous contract um. We'll see if if he

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Speaker 1: comes back, And even if he does, I mean I

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Speaker 1: can imagine he's going to come back with the same number.

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Speaker 1: Sterling Shepherd terrific player, but hurt a lot. You know

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Speaker 1: that matters when when Godix Stern shepherds not on the

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Speaker 1: field a lot that that hurts continuity. So look, there's

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Speaker 1: some things going against it, and the line has the

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Speaker 1: un It's another thing. The reason why this is not

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Speaker 1: a playoff team. To me, offensive line is still a

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Speaker 1: problem for him. It's just not good enough. And that

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Speaker 1: that to where Gentleman really has to address it. We

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Speaker 1: we You know, you can sit down with ten Giant

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Speaker 1: fans and really know the team and you could all

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Speaker 1: argue and debate what the number one needs are. I'm

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Speaker 1: an offensive line guy in terms of how you win

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Speaker 1: in the National Football Like, there's a common bond John

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Speaker 1: of winners. It's rare for an NFL team to make

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl or have a deep run without a

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Speaker 1: very good offensive line. Yeah. We saw what happened to

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mackhomes in the Super Bowl and he was missing

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Speaker 1: his two offensive tackles. Yeah, it happened. So I think

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Speaker 1: the offensive one is a good question now is Dave

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Speaker 1: has added. Dave Gentleman has added some young offensive line

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Speaker 1: in the last couple of years. Right, He drafted chain

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Speaker 1: Lene last year. He got playing time this year, had

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Speaker 1: some struggles and pass pro Matt Parent was a third

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Speaker 1: round pick. Tools the guy was kind of in and

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Speaker 1: out of the line up. They rotated them in and out.

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Speaker 1: So they have a bunch of young guys. You mentioned

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Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas and the Gates did a good job in

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Speaker 1: his first year at center. How much, Adam, do they

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Speaker 1: try to give these young guys room to grow? But

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Speaker 1: of course with that, if that growth doesn't happen, there's

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Speaker 1: an inherent risk to that too. So how much how

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Speaker 1: do you balance and bringing some veteran competition that are

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Speaker 1: maybe more sure things will give you a good baseline

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Speaker 1: level of play, but allowing also these young guys Dave

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Speaker 1: Gettleman is added to grow within this system and offense. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas is your left tackle. Parents got to be

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Speaker 1: your right tackle at least at least coming with the

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Speaker 1: thinking that is now you you can back bring back

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Speaker 1: Cam Fleming, who could be a swing tackle. You could

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Speaker 1: bring in another veteran just for for death and competition.

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Speaker 1: Hernandez is still got to get better, but he's a

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Speaker 1: Secon ground pick. He's got to play Settlers your veteran

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Speaker 1: and you talked about Gates, you're you're still gotta add

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Speaker 1: two guys. But the thing is, it's not just you

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Speaker 1: make the good point there. Thomas has got to get better.

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Speaker 1: He's got to play. That's the way it is. I

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Speaker 1: know he didn't have a great rookie season. Everybody knows.

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Speaker 1: If you watch the Giants talking to other teams, they've

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Speaker 1: pointed out to me he didn't play very well. Just

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Speaker 1: has to keep playing. And look, they had an offensive

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Speaker 1: line coach change. We know about that. So that's another thing.

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Speaker 1: So you got to get continuity going. Um, just getting

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Speaker 1: these guys on the field together, getting the timing down,

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Speaker 1: and they'll be better as they as they The other

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Speaker 1: the other thing is John's you gott you gotta settle

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Speaker 1: on a group here and then have key backups for insurance,

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Speaker 1: so depth in competition. They need to add two more guys.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go around the lead real quick here, Adam,

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Speaker 1: what's the next big domino that's gonna fall. We've seen Stafford,

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Speaker 1: we've seen wins, we've seen golf. What's next? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna you could see Marcus Mariota being dealt um.

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Speaker 1: Teams have to go through his injury history and see

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Speaker 1: if they're comfortable with it. He looked great. I know

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Speaker 1: it's only one game coming off the bench for Derek Carr,

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Speaker 1: but did he looked good, look looked healthy. But nineteen

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Speaker 1: he was he had a bunch of injuries he was

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Speaker 1: dealing with. Are you sure that the Raiders trade Mariota

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Speaker 1: and keep Car and it's not the other way around? Yeah? No.

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Speaker 1: The teams have told me they have talked of the Raiders. Boy,

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Speaker 1: they don't want to move Car. Uh. It's funny even

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Speaker 1: asked me it that way because the teams I spoke

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Speaker 1: to they were kind of surprised that the Raiders didn't

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Speaker 1: want to move Car because last year, at this time

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Speaker 1: they were they were gonna chase Brady. It's not a secret.

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Speaker 1: They were absolutely going to do it. Once they got

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Speaker 1: back from the combine, they changed their mind. But Car

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Speaker 1: had a good year. Minute. The Raiders are a bad team.

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Speaker 1: Their defense was horrendous. They just don't have enough talent.

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Speaker 1: They they they've got a draft better in defense and

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Speaker 1: add better players on defense. Throw offense was good. Cars

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Speaker 1: not the problem. It's the defense that needs to be

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Speaker 1: rebuilt there with with better talent. So no Car. Cars

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Speaker 1: KRK should be their guy for least one year. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they can't draft somebody. But look, we

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Speaker 1: we've had those trades. Uh. Sam Donald. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald's a name to keep an eye on because

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Speaker 1: Joe Douglas, the general manager of the Justice, did not

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Speaker 1: draft him. I told people last fall, last September, I

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Speaker 1: do TV for company called Sports Spread with my friend

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Speaker 1: Scott Farrell. We're talking about the Jets. I said, I

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Speaker 1: know it's early, Scott for me to say this, but

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Speaker 1: don't be shocked if they want up trade Donald. He

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Speaker 1: goes what he said. I'm just telling you, I know

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Speaker 1: the way it is when these guys come in, they

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Speaker 1: don't draft these players. And Donald, by the way, was

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Speaker 1: not playing well then John, he didn't have a good year.

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Speaker 1: He just had a disappointing year. I know things around

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Speaker 1: him born very good. I get all that, but you

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Speaker 1: gotta control these things you control. You just didn't play well.

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Speaker 1: And again this general manager inherited him, didn't draft him.

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Speaker 1: And you see rumors out there about Donald, and they're

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Speaker 1: not settling Donald yet. They don't know what they're gonna

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Speaker 1: do a quarterback, and they've got the second pick overall. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: two teams that I think are fascinating are the forty

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Speaker 1: Niners and the Bears because they both have excellent rosters.

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Speaker 1: But you could argue that the quarterback position is a

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Speaker 1: big part of what's holding them back. Uh, you'd think

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Speaker 1: they would want guys that can come in and help

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Speaker 1: right away rather than going the draft route. So what

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Speaker 1: path do you see those two franchises going down in

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Speaker 1: the next couple of months. Yeah, the Bears were heavily

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Speaker 1: involved with the Stafford race. They were. I reported last

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Speaker 1: just left the Colts to to get Carson wentz Then

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Speaker 1: the Niners, I've heard Jimmy Garoppolo's available. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: very hard to say if they're shopping him or not,

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Speaker 1: But right now, to me, it's it would make more

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback this year. But I I'm on record saying

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Speaker 1: it's I'll just repeat it. I believe they'll draft a

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Speaker 1: quarterback in the first second round, if with an asterisk,

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Speaker 1: if it's a guy like Kyle Shanahan likes a lot,

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Speaker 1: they'll draft him. I do believe John Um the early

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Speaker 1: word on the draft is again we're basically two and

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Speaker 1: half months out or somewhere around there. You could see

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Speaker 1: you could see seven quarterbacks drafted in the first two rounds,

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Speaker 1: the first fifty picks or so. So now, now Kyle's

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Speaker 1: had he's had pretty good success when him and d

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Speaker 1: has been healthy. But Garoppolo has been heard a lot,

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Speaker 1: and he had some level of success with a couple

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Speaker 1: of backups. But you know, if you're the Niners, you've

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Speaker 1: got to settle on that. They overachieved two years ago.

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Speaker 1: The coaching was tremendous. Last year they had the worst

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Speaker 1: injury and COVID situation the National Football League where I'd

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Speaker 1: like your assessment on the Bears. They're teetering on here.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're coaching staff, in front office staff. They

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Speaker 1: need to win. The only reason why they got in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs is because we had an extra wild card.

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Speaker 1: Let's not forget about that. No question. How about the

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson situation. How long are we gonna be waiting

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Speaker 1: for one of these two sides to blink? Because I

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Speaker 1: really think the new CBA makes this interesting, right because

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Speaker 1: now those fines if he ends up holding out in

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Speaker 1: August those don't get rescinded, right, so you have to

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Speaker 1: pay through that, you know what you wanted to to

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Speaker 1: really do a true holdout. So how stubborn do you

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Speaker 1: think Houston is really going to be? And frankly, I

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Speaker 1: don't blame Deshaun Watson's great. I wouldn't want to trade

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Speaker 1: him either, But how do you see that whole thing

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Speaker 1: playing out? So I did GM tell me recently who

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Speaker 1: who's pretty plugged into the quarterback situation because they're looking

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Speaker 1: for one. He goes, Look, when we spoke to them,

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Speaker 1: they won't even talk about that name, Deshaun Watson. They

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Speaker 1: just change the subject like we're not going there. But

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Speaker 1: everybody talks tough in February. There there's no draft right now,

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Speaker 1: we have just free agency. But this GM said, listen,

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Speaker 1: when we get to late April, get to the draft,

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Speaker 1: things could change. Things you could change with Deshaun Watson.

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Speaker 1: I get it. Right now, it's just all speculation. Nobody

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Speaker 1: knows anything because they're not willing to do anything. But

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Speaker 1: if they're willing to take calls, John, this guy's getting moved, period,

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Speaker 1: end of story, and they'll get a king's ransom. Look

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Speaker 1: is this going to be the biggest trade package in

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Speaker 1: the history of the league. Well, let's put it this

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Speaker 1: way that Matthew Stafford was a blockbuster trade. The Wentz

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Speaker 1: was not. I wouldn't call it a blockbuster. It was

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Speaker 1: a trade. But a blockbuster is Stafford for golf and

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Speaker 1: multiple first round picks. That's a blockbuster. Um, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean a minimum three first rounders and quite frankly, I

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Speaker 1: had one four because you're not gonna get anyone like

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson the draft. You can't. You're not gonna get

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna get Lawrence because he's going on to

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Speaker 1: to the Jaguars. So well, I think it depends where

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Speaker 1: those picks are too, right, people would just say first

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Speaker 1: round picks. Well, if it's if it's the Jets and

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Speaker 1: you're getting the second overall pick, that that is kind

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Speaker 1: of like three first round picks in the titles, right right. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's funny you say that because I remember talking to

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Speaker 1: the Raiders three years ago now for mac and I

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Speaker 1: was talking to them in June of eighteen and they said, look,

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Speaker 1: he's not available, we're not training them. That's what teams

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Speaker 1: are being told. Well, John Gruden, the head coaches got

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Speaker 1: personnel control, got sick and tired of mac Waiting, so

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Speaker 1: he traded him, as you know, right before the season started.

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Speaker 1: And here's the problem. They assumed the Bears would be bad.

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Speaker 1: The Bears shocked us. They wanted to winning the defision.

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Speaker 1: Who knew was Matt Neggie's first year. So you make

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Speaker 1: a real a good point. It depends on what kind

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Speaker 1: of team it's going to be. Like, you're right, the

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Speaker 1: Jets first rounders would would be way more valuable than

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Speaker 1: at mid level two or better playoff team because those

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Speaker 1: those future first rounders, clue will not be as good. Alright,

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Speaker 1: final thing I want to touch on with you the

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Speaker 1: NFC East. If you have told me a year ago

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Speaker 1: that the Giants would have the firmest quarterback situation in

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Speaker 1: the division, I would have said, your nuts. But here

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Speaker 1: we are. So let's start Philly first. Is this a

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Speaker 1: total Are they gonna look to do like a total

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Speaker 1: reset here where they maybe trade some vets in acquire

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Speaker 1: picks because they have a salary cap situation. They need

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Speaker 1: to clean up two adam as you know, how do

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Speaker 1: you think Philly now handles this year? Hurts the quarterback spot?

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Speaker 1: They have a top ten pick. Where do they go. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they they've got a six pick overall here. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: they've got the extra third from the Colt to the

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Speaker 1: Wentz trade. They're in a rebuild for the first time,

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Speaker 1: and I don't in well over a decade. They're in

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Speaker 1: a they're in a rebuild here and they know it.

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Speaker 1: It's not actually it's more like twenty years because they

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Speaker 1: were rebuilding when Andy Reid came in there and then

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Speaker 1: read got the thing turned around immediately, you know, got

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Speaker 1: their So they're in a rebuild. Washington, they got into

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Speaker 1: the playoffs with a losing record. I still think the Jets,

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Speaker 1: excusing me, the Giants coaches staff did a better job

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Speaker 1: in Washington's big fan of Ron Rivera. I know it's subjective,

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Speaker 1: but I just thought that the I judged over achieved

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Speaker 1: with that roster. I thought he did a great job

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Speaker 1: and he and his staff. Dallas is in sort of

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Speaker 1: a transition. I don't know what they are. They'll get

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott back. He's not going anywhere. Everybody wants to

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Speaker 1: read about rumors with the Cowboys. That's fine. I get

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Speaker 1: at their America's team. But Dak's coming back. He'll get tagged.

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Speaker 1: If they don't, if they can't, if they can't get

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Speaker 1: him done, he's not going anywhere. So that that that's

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Speaker 1: Dallas is a team that's in transition. They by the way,

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Speaker 1: they have the most upside of all four teams in

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Speaker 1: the n FC East. They certainly if the defense is better,

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Speaker 1: they could go somewhere this season. I they tried to

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Speaker 1: change schemes last year during the pandemic. That didn't work.

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Speaker 1: But dan Quinn coming in running his version of Seattle's defense,

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Speaker 1: I think that's gonna work for them right now. That

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Speaker 1: would be my early pick to win division. With Dak

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Speaker 1: Prescott coming back. Do you think will be on the

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Speaker 1: tag or do you think Jerry Jones and Dak Prescott's

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Speaker 1: agent are finally gonna deal to figure this thing out? Well,

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Speaker 1: Todd Francis his agent, and Todd has he's one of

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Speaker 1: the top five agent of the business. Look, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a minimum forty million. He's got to beat to

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Speaker 1: Shaun Watson to deal that. To me, that's the that's

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Speaker 1: the floor for that deal. Forty million. It's good per year,

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Speaker 1: it's signing, it's got to be over You're you're looking

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Speaker 1: at forty three million bucks per year full guarantees, as

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Speaker 1: signing well over eighty million a minute. Typical of Jerry Jones.

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Speaker 1: He waits too long to get deals done, and I go,

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Speaker 1: I go, I'm so old. I remember when Smith held

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Speaker 1: out and he and he and Jerry Jones had to

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Speaker 1: had to back down and give him his money because

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Speaker 1: we remember the right. Jerry has a history of doing this.

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Speaker 1: I don't. He did it with Zeke Elliott and he's

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Speaker 1: done it here with Dak Prescott now in terms of

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Speaker 1: tagging him, just like I said, it depends on where

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Speaker 1: they think they aren't in two weeks final Washington, did

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Speaker 1: they trade up for a quarterback or do they just

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Speaker 1: hang out and wait? There is it? Alex Smith one

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Speaker 1: more year? What do you think happens with Washington's quarterback situation? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What he's making too much to be a starter. Alex

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Speaker 1: has got two years left, no guaranteed money left. Taylor

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Speaker 1: Heineke did an incredible job, My goodness, gracious coming off

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Speaker 1: the Couch show to speak. Scott Turner was the one

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Speaker 1: who wanted him in there. Scott coach them in Carolina

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Speaker 1: and Minnesota. Did a good job. But they don't have

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Speaker 1: their starter. They know that under contract, so they will

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Speaker 1: draft somebody. Just a matter of what round and how

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Speaker 1: they're gonna do it their team at Defensively, they don't

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Speaker 1: need a whole lot. Uh they need defensively manh Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they need they need helping them back in check late corner.

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Speaker 1: Corner is a problem for them. Offensive line they need

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Speaker 1: some competition. Receivers are real challenge for them that they

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Speaker 1: need help opposite Terry McLaurin. But quarterbacks the number one

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Speaker 1: need for that football team. It's just a matter of

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Speaker 1: how they want to do it. Adam, we really appreciate

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Speaker 1: the time and this was fantastic. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Let's get together again see hopefully in person, will see

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Speaker 1: in one of these events once the league gets back

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Speaker 1: to normal. Man, we appreciate it and just give the

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Speaker 1: fans an idea where they can find all of working

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Speaker 1: stuff that you're working on. Follow me on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: Last year we did a roster review with the Giants,

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Speaker 1: see you next time. Everybody, Stay safe out there,