WEBVTT - Fallout Season 2, Episode 2

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<v Speaker 1>Morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's episode contains spoilers for the second episode of Fallout

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<v Speaker 2>season two.

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<v Speaker 3>You one.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, my name is Jason Hell.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Mercy Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to ext revision of the podcast where we

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<v Speaker 2>dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming to you from my heart, where we're bringing you

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<v Speaker 2>three episodes a week.

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<v Speaker 3>Last news In today's episode, it's Fallout two two.

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<v Speaker 4>Baby, you thought that that week would go slow.

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<v Speaker 3>No, we're already here season two, episode two, and we

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<v Speaker 3>are going to be talking about it. I hope you

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<v Speaker 3>love Maximus because it's a big Maximus episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Fallout season two, episode two. We open in a flashback

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<v Speaker 2>to the last hours of the Shining City on a

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<v Speaker 2>hill that was the new California Republic, a brief moment

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<v Speaker 2>of cooperation and coexistence in the wasteland known as Shady

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<v Speaker 2>Sands Rip. We meet young Maximus's dad, who has apparently

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<v Speaker 2>discovered a huge aquifer of fresh water. He's just got

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<v Speaker 2>done testing the water. It's completely free, and as Rosie

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<v Speaker 2>said last episode, clean water a huge deal in this

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<v Speaker 2>world and a huge deal in the games.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta have it.

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<v Speaker 2>A trader is on his way into town repeating in

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<v Speaker 2>a robotic fashion the same kind of the same phrase

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<v Speaker 2>about the desert. And it's clear after seeing episode one

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<v Speaker 2>that he's probably got the neck chip in because he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't look like he's doing great and he is brainwashed clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>Dad and young Max go over to see what the

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<v Speaker 2>trader has brought in the caravan to town, and they

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<v Speaker 2>get there and then are all around the trader and

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<v Speaker 2>the traders collapsed and it is continuing to mutter, and it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Blood coming from his eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>Dad knows something is wrong immediately and finds the chip

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<v Speaker 2>and then looks in the caravan and there's a nuke there.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a sigular bomb that will destroy the city. Dad

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<v Speaker 2>sends Maximums home and begins to try and to defuse

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<v Speaker 2>a bomb, but he fails, and then runs home and

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<v Speaker 2>is like, Max, get in this refrigerator. Everything's gonna be fine,

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<v Speaker 2>and we know the rest from If.

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<v Speaker 3>It's good enough for Indiana Jones.

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<v Speaker 4>It's kind of right you, and it worked.

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<v Speaker 3>Younger Hank looks at himself in the mirror, having just

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<v Speaker 3>dropped the bomb on Shaty Sands, then goes to read

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<v Speaker 3>the wind in the willows to Lucy.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a real piece of work, this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Then we go back to Maximus today. He and his

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<v Speaker 3>brothers take part in a Ghoul clearance operation during some

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<v Speaker 3>kind of strange industrial facility and they find what they

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<v Speaker 3>came for, the red device.

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<v Speaker 4>Is this the artifact?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's like the real artifact, but clearly

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<v Speaker 3>it's what they're looking for. So they just got up,

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<v Speaker 3>head out and back above the Caswanian Caswanan Caswinete.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it's I believe that's the name of their ships.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I like it, No, just include me saying like

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<v Speaker 3>fifty versions of it.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know the name of every ship.

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<v Speaker 3>The brothers applaud Max's success, and Elder Quintus greets him.

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<v Speaker 3>Max delivers the item, and this is where I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like Max and the Brotherhood need to get it together,

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<v Speaker 3>because Quintus is so fucking shady bro Like, don't just

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<v Speaker 3>give this man like a magical.

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<v Speaker 4>Red button and be like and he's like, oh, are

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<v Speaker 4>you going to you with it?

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<v Speaker 3>And he's like, nothing wrong, only good stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>It's gonna be our new home. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna unify the Brothers and the factions and they'll

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<v Speaker 3>all be able to access this huge military arsenal that

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<v Speaker 3>we have hit under the sands. And you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>while I'm planning this definitely bad probably genocide or plan,

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<v Speaker 3>I need you to know Max, you like my son.

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<v Speaker 4>You're a son to me. You are my.

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<v Speaker 2>Sons Christ this guy, Lucy Ghoule and dog Meat are

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<v Speaker 2>continuing their desert excursion. They're bickering in typical fashion, with

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy being nice the Gold being mean. After a while,

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<v Speaker 2>as they're passing by this ruined hospital, Lucy hears someone

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<v Speaker 2>crying out for help, help me, and the goals fucking

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<v Speaker 2>ignore that, ignore that, that empathy ambthies like quicksand it'll

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<v Speaker 2>drag down.

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<v Speaker 4>The on one like that in every episode. Hey hey baby,

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<v Speaker 4>don't be able to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't do And Lucy's like, well, I'm gonna help because

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<v Speaker 2>I can't listen to someone screen for help all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and goals like, you're fucking stupid. Lucy goes in there,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know it's there, into the ruins of the hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>There's an injured woman. There, there's a man who's even

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<v Speaker 2>in worse shape than she is. They got attacked by

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<v Speaker 2>something unclear what. The ghoul immediately kills the other guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like delicious, starts trying to the flesh is

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<v Speaker 2>like gross like for some reason, the flesh is gross.

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<v Speaker 2>The Gul spits out the flesh and then turns the

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<v Speaker 2>guy over and it turns out that he had been

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<v Speaker 2>stabbed by something infectious or poisonous, toxic or gross or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is. They the things that attacked him, and

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<v Speaker 2>the woman now bursts out of the pipes and from

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<v Speaker 2>dark corners of the room and it's baby rad scorpions

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<v Speaker 2>and Lucy in the Ghul begin fighting them, but then

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<v Speaker 2>a big Mama rad scorpion shows up and it stabs the.

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<v Speaker 1>Ghoul after she tries. After he tries to use.

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<v Speaker 2>The woman as a human shield, who she also gets

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<v Speaker 2>stabbed by the rad scorpion singer, and so things are

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<v Speaker 2>looking really bad, but the Goul manages to blow up

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<v Speaker 2>the Mama rad scorpion with some grenades. Unfortunately he is

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<v Speaker 2>now poisoned and Lucy has to choose. Aha, who gets

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<v Speaker 2>her last stem pack?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it? What do you think she should do?

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the thing, I agree with her, So she gives

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<v Speaker 2>it to the woman, with the idea being that the

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<v Speaker 2>gul can live like this like the goal can't really die.

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<v Speaker 2>He's really really hard to kill. You know, you can

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<v Speaker 2>bury him underground, he doesn't have to eat, and you

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<v Speaker 2>can suffer grievous wounds, including a rad scorpion sting probably

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<v Speaker 2>and live though in pain for a long long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Where is this woman's gonna die? So I agree on

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of like logical level. However, this is the Wasteland. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you want to give this woman the stem pack, fine,

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<v Speaker 2>But then Lucy makes the really crazy decision of like

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<v Speaker 2>walking her all the way why to wherever she lives

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<v Speaker 2>with whatever weirdo she lives with, And that is where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, now you got to listen to the goal,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's stupid as fuck.

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<v Speaker 4>Also, the goal has been keeping you alive.

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<v Speaker 3>You like a team, don't don't don't just abandon that

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<v Speaker 3>in wasteland like I love you know, she says. Also

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<v Speaker 3>there's a great birth foreshadowing where she says, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>helping someone out is never a waste of time, So

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<v Speaker 3>you know that that means or like doing the right

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<v Speaker 3>thing is never a waste of time. So you know

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<v Speaker 3>that means that this is gonna waste a ton of

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<v Speaker 3>her time, which I love and in.

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<v Speaker 4>The butts for Bud's vault.

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<v Speaker 3>All the folks are now thowed and they are freaking

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<v Speaker 3>the fuck out. Why are we awake? Is it reclamation day?

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<v Speaker 3>How long have we been asleep? And Norms like h

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<v Speaker 3>and they're absolutely freaking out. So he comes with a

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<v Speaker 3>plan and he's like, hey, so, uh, terrible news. Bud

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<v Speaker 3>Askins is dead. And that's when we pull back and

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<v Speaker 3>we see that his bud Askins is dead, upside down

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<v Speaker 3>in a bucket, Jude brain in a jar.

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<v Speaker 4>No more.

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<v Speaker 3>Norms like so, basically, you guys are gonna have to

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<v Speaker 3>help me find a way to escape this place. And

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<v Speaker 3>they all start freaking out understandably, and we will tell

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<v Speaker 3>you what else is going on in the vaults the

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<v Speaker 3>bad landes when my back.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're at at Vault Tech HQ deep down deep

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<v Speaker 2>deep deep deep deep deep down in some vault under

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<v Speaker 2>New Vegas. Hank is testing the ever smaller mind control

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<v Speaker 2>mes matron chips on rats and all the rats heads

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<v Speaker 2>are exploding all of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>He's having no success.

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<v Speaker 2>We go to the Brotherhood of Steel and apparently the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that they discovered is the key to unlock this

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<v Speaker 2>military facility and this military facility that is now being

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<v Speaker 2>uncovered and is full of stuff they want is Area

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<v Speaker 2>fifty one. The vaunted Area fifty one exists, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>full of things that they want, including weapons, including fridges

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<v Speaker 2>with alien bodies in it. They don't care about the

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<v Speaker 2>alien bodies. They care about the working refrigerators. And it

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<v Speaker 2>also appears that there's lots of like pre war human

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<v Speaker 2>cultural things here. Chinese statues, art from Europe, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 2>from many nations have been like raided and brought here.

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<v Speaker 3>Max talks to a young recruit about like, how do

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<v Speaker 3>you battle on self?

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<v Speaker 4>You've got to do it, It's really important. He's such

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<v Speaker 4>a serious guy.

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<v Speaker 3>He goes to work on his armor and Dane comes

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<v Speaker 3>to see him, and Dane's definitely a little bit jealous

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<v Speaker 3>of Max's rise, and he's like, so, uh, how you

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<v Speaker 3>feeling want to quit the brotherhood and just go after

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<v Speaker 3>that girl Lucy?

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<v Speaker 4>Don't you need to see her? How's she going?

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<v Speaker 3>And and Max is like, yeah, she left, And Dane's like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I think our boss is kind of rebelling

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<v Speaker 3>against the common well health edom.

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<v Speaker 4>Really no, he's here scavenging the base, and I feel

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<v Speaker 4>like Dane.

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<v Speaker 3>You could have bought up Lucy before that. Sirens go

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<v Speaker 3>off and boom are the ships are arriving. Quintus is

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<v Speaker 3>presiding over the meeting of the Brotherhood of Steel leaders.

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<v Speaker 3>One of them is like, hey, where's the Commonwealth?

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<v Speaker 4>Many where they not represented him?

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<v Speaker 3>Like where's the ruling fucking class, And Quinces is like,

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<v Speaker 3>guess what, guys, great news don't need him, No Commonwealth

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<v Speaker 3>not needed cutting them out, civil war against the Commonwealth.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we're gonna be fine.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you basically unite under me, we can stand

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<v Speaker 3>against the Commonwealth.

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<v Speaker 4>Great plan. Definitely, no problems there.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy and the woman she had the stimpact too, are

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<v Speaker 2>you know? Walking towards this woman's settlement with Lucy making

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<v Speaker 2>her same kind of like innocent chit chat, and the

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<v Speaker 2>woman is like, by the way, you should turn back

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<v Speaker 2>before you were attacked and sexually assaulted by folks, And

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like she's suggesting the people where she lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And they then come to a canyon with spooky people

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<v Speaker 2>with torches standing on a hillside and the woman.

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<v Speaker 1>Has fucking disappeared.

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<v Speaker 2>We go to the Bud's vault where Norm is trying

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<v Speaker 2>to control of this chaotic situation. He basically lies and

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<v Speaker 2>says like, Hey, I am a supermanager, a product of Buds,

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<v Speaker 2>Buds two hundred years of engineering and breeding, and you.

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<v Speaker 4>Are my staff.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you got to do what I say.

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<v Speaker 2>And in order to figure out which one of you

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<v Speaker 2>has managerial material inside of you, I am putting a

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<v Speaker 2>challenge in front of you. And that challenge is this,

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<v Speaker 2>find a way out of here. How do we get

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<v Speaker 2>out of here? Get it out here?

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, He's like, hey man, this was the last

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<v Speaker 3>thing Bud needed you guys to do.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right. Do an escape from? Do an escape from?

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<v Speaker 4>The universal will inevitably.

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<v Speaker 3>Build soon that you can play in a tech HQ.

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<v Speaker 3>Hank is still there over the plus cryotubes. He's a

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<v Speaker 3>bad guy, thawing out some big heavy hiss. He's already

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<v Speaker 3>in People for Free War. Yeah, they paid crazy money, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>This is like the big budget, first class double bed

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<v Speaker 3>in your cryo chamber experience. And when you come out,

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<v Speaker 3>the vault is gonna be looking beautiful. You're gonna walk

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<v Speaker 3>into reclamation day, You're gonna have a house built for you.

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<v Speaker 4>But guess what, just like.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone who ever agreed to the terms and conditions on

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<v Speaker 3>Disney Plus. There were terms and conditions that this man

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<v Speaker 3>did not read. And he's like, guess what, bitch, put

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<v Speaker 3>your hands inside this creepy machine, and I'm gonna do.

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<v Speaker 4>A little experiment on you.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's nothing you can do about it, even though

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<v Speaker 3>you prayed for Amazon Prime, Elite Plus, Cryotube.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the IP experience. You didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I can do an experiment on you and make

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<v Speaker 3>your head explode. Boom, it explodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy wanders up to that village at nighttime. There are

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<v Speaker 2>people with torches surrounding her. They've got pigs heads on spikes.

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<v Speaker 2>They're wearing bear heads as helmets. It's looking bad.

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<v Speaker 4>Folks looking bad.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is I think gonna be one of the

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<v Speaker 2>raider factions. But yeah, one the Legion.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps it's unclear, but one of the raider.

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<v Speaker 2>Factions, one of the factions from the New Vegas game. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>Norms Butts Crew have done it. They have found high

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<v Speaker 2>up on the in the ceiling a ladder and they said, okay, boss,

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<v Speaker 2>we found it. Make your way up there. And he

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<v Speaker 2>begins climbing towards the surface.

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<v Speaker 3>Which crazy good for your norm. This plan actually worked out.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe you're not as dumb as I thought you were.

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<v Speaker 3>We then see that the bos factions are watching a

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<v Speaker 3>boxing match between other soldiers and Maximus is kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like she.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, fuck, this is not looking good.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of a very homoeroic can hear a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of repression, a lot of people hitting way harder than

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<v Speaker 3>they mean to.

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<v Speaker 4>It's going badly.

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<v Speaker 3>And then a huge skinhead soldier towering over Maximus comes

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<v Speaker 3>up and he's like, so.

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<v Speaker 4>You're the one who killed Lemo Delva. How'd that go?

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<v Speaker 3>And he's like I could take you. Maximus is like,

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<v Speaker 3>probably not. I'm gonna go and like read a comic

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<v Speaker 3>book or something. And the guy's like, nope, don't get

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<v Speaker 3>your armor, don't get your comic books.

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<v Speaker 4>Come back here, no armor.

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<v Speaker 3>War dog fighting is what I think. He calls it

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<v Speaker 3>a bare back outrageous. The guy calls it, okay, it's Jay,

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<v Speaker 3>it's getting gay. He unsheaths his large blade and you

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<v Speaker 3>start to wonder, wait a minute, as this elder quintas

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<v Speaker 3>kind of really the.

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<v Speaker 1>Most power, right, Yeah, That's how I felt about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we see in this episode that the Rank and

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<v Speaker 2>File Brotherhood of Steel really look up to Maximus. They're

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<v Speaker 2>cheering him. They're like everything he does, they're like wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And what he tells uh two like Brotherhood of Steel

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<v Speaker 2>soldiers who were horsing around grenades to like cut it out,

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, oh, sorry, sir. They immediately cut it out.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's got the respect of the soldiers. And the

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<v Speaker 2>sense I got was that Elder Quintus had set this

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<v Speaker 2>up to get a rival out of the way.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the way I feel about that. I definitely felt

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<v Speaker 3>like that ought to like challenge him. It was very

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<v Speaker 3>ym coded, you know, very but uh, Max, as you

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<v Speaker 3>know is is his way, just kind of absolutely loses it,

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<v Speaker 3>gets the jump on this guy, starts fucking beating the

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<v Speaker 3>shout of him, opens up his stomach, kills him. Thaddeus

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<v Speaker 3>is like, oh this is so gross. Bro. I thought

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<v Speaker 3>we were like boyfriends and our little heart living a

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<v Speaker 3>peaceful life together.

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<v Speaker 4>Like what the fuck? And incredible moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe one of my favorite character introductions of this TV year.

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<v Speaker 3>As Max is looking beaten and bloody over the dead

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<v Speaker 3>body of this character, a huge helicopter appears and just

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<v Speaker 3>completely starts fucking shit up Like John Hammond in Jurassic Park.

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<v Speaker 3>People are running away, dust is going everywhere. It's terrible,

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<v Speaker 3>and outsteps none other than Paladin Harkness of the Commonwealth

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<v Speaker 3>played by Kamail Nanjoli and guess what, guys, he knows

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<v Speaker 3>about the Civil War and he wants to know why

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't he in his fancy little suit with his expensive

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<v Speaker 3>as helicopter invited.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's seek a quick break and discuss this episode and

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<v Speaker 2>we're back. Okay, who again, these are very dense episodes.

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say, I think I understand after watching

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<v Speaker 3>both of them why they didn't release them in a chunk,

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<v Speaker 3>because I think it could have felt yeah much, It

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<v Speaker 3>could have felt too much like that whole like, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not a TV show, it's a movie, which is not

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<v Speaker 3>what this is. This is a TV show, it's not

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<v Speaker 3>a six hour movie, even though it has the budget

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<v Speaker 3>of you know, five movies. I'm sure, but I think

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<v Speaker 3>I understand because there's a lot of law in this episode.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a lot of Maximus, it's a lot of kind

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<v Speaker 3>of the differences in the Volt and norm trying to

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<v Speaker 3>work out what's going on.

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<v Speaker 4>You do not necessarily get.

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<v Speaker 3>All the big action that you would want in this

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<v Speaker 3>episode from Lucy and the Gordo, I will say that

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<v Speaker 3>fucking episode where they're working through the hospital and that moment,

0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:38.159
<v Speaker 3>that sequence is so scary. It was giving Last of

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<v Speaker 3>Us vibes. I thought like they really ramped up the

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<v Speaker 3>kind of horror stealth aspects there. But yeah, I thought

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<v Speaker 3>it was a really good episode. I loved the Kamel

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<v Speaker 3>It was just kind of out there enough. It was

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<v Speaker 3>giving me foundation, you know where, like something feels real.

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<v Speaker 3>I know this is not exactly a serious show. There's

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<v Speaker 3>lots of comedy. I love the looney Tunes nature of

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<v Speaker 3>the action, like Lucy's inherent kindness with her killer instinct

0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:06.880
<v Speaker 3>is obviously going to lead to humor, but the show

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<v Speaker 3>is very serious. And in that moment with Maximus like

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<v Speaker 3>killing this guy, there was this severity, this darkness, and

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<v Speaker 3>the Paladin partner's character just kind of emerged as if

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<v Speaker 3>he was, you know, the random DJ influencer in Foundation

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<v Speaker 3>who you could never have imagined would fit in but

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<v Speaker 3>became such an important part of the show.

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<v Speaker 4>So I loved that arrival.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really excited to see what he brings because this

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<v Speaker 3>is a character who's only previously been in like the

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<v Speaker 3>Fallout Shelter in universe game like free to Play on

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<v Speaker 3>the phone like, and he is from the East Coast,

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<v Speaker 3>basically kind of section of the Brotherhood of Steel. So

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<v Speaker 3>I love the idea that he's kind of running like

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<v Speaker 3>a West Coast Avengers style situation, or he's the real

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<v Speaker 3>one and Quintus is running the West Coast Avengers coalition.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I'm I'm very excited to see because also

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<v Speaker 3>seems to me like Camo's going to be having a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of fun with this, and I am very interested

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<v Speaker 3>to kind of see where this character goes, what it means,

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<v Speaker 3>and what it changes about the Brotherhood of Steel, because

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<v Speaker 3>we have only really seen this very devout, like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>religious inspired version, but I kind of am interested to

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<v Speaker 3>see his like fun stylely uniform version. You know, probably

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<v Speaker 3>also means he's evil because he's stressed.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, so I'm very excited.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's what's interesting. I think that.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, we get a window into the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of different ways that different Brotherhood of Steel groups have

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<v Speaker 2>like splintered into their own like little warring factions. I

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<v Speaker 2>think what's interesting is like the Commonwealth which appeared, which

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<v Speaker 2>I perceive at least because of have played the games,

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<v Speaker 2>and the way that they are treating Palette and Harkness

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<v Speaker 2>is that they are like the more legitimate, the more

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<v Speaker 2>centralized and authoritative Brotherhood of Steel group that is supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be kind of overseeing these other gaps. It certainly

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<v Speaker 2>seems that that's what's you know, with Elder Quintesses, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of attempting to pull a fast one and not inviting

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<v Speaker 2>them like he was, you know, trying to cut them

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<v Speaker 2>out so that these Brotherhood of Faction Brotherhood of Steel

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<v Speaker 2>factions could arm themselves and get strong enough to take

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<v Speaker 2>on the Commonwealth faction, who it certainly appears that none

0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:47.760
<v Speaker 2>of them are strong enough on their own and potentially

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<v Speaker 2>even united without this new weaponry, or strong enough to

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<v Speaker 2>take on So that's very interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>My sense is that.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way Harkness came here alone because at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>If he did, you have to kill him. So my

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<v Speaker 1>sense is that.

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<v Speaker 2>Right outside are going to be several Brotherhood of Steel motherships.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say that are gonna wipe out, either

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<v Speaker 2>wipe out or otherwise punish this group that is trying

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<v Speaker 2>to break away from them.

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<v Speaker 1>That is my feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you might see Maximus immediately level up into like

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<v Speaker 2>a leader, because I think Quintus Will is potentially not

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<v Speaker 2>long for this show after this, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I could definitely see that.

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<v Speaker 3>I also would be really interested to see if the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that they have the helicopter and everything is like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm interested to see if they.

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<v Speaker 3>If he has a different vision of how to combine

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<v Speaker 3>modern technology and old world technology together, and that kind

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<v Speaker 3>of makes him an outlier because he doesn't seem as

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<v Speaker 3>archaic as the other Brotherhood of Steel members. I'm also

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<v Speaker 3>wondering if he was sent there as kind of an intermediary,

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<v Speaker 3>or if he himself has been planning something like this

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<v Speaker 3>so we'll present himself as an ally. I'm also really

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<v Speaker 3>interested because this kind of ties into the whole influences

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<v Speaker 3>of New Vegas and why the game kind of came

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<v Speaker 3>to be. Was this mixture of like the nineteen fifties,

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<v Speaker 3>which they love to use in Fallout, and also the

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<v Speaker 3>like history of Vegas organized crime and the notions of

0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:31.760
<v Speaker 3>like resources in the desert, and that's why the Hoover

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<v Speaker 3>Dam is such an important part of the world building.

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<v Speaker 4>In the game.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder if meeting these different factions is also going

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<v Speaker 3>to be part of that, Like, is the reason that

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<v Speaker 3>he looks so good, he's got the world, he's got

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<v Speaker 3>the suit?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, is it because he's already a criminal?

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<v Speaker 2>Let me So there's another level of this. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think there's been some talk about whether Palette and Harkness

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<v Speaker 2>is Palatine Harkness for the game or is this and

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<v Speaker 2>in for a more notable character from Fallout four Paladin

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<v Speaker 2>Dance Now, Paladin Dance of the Commonwealth is spoiler for

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<v Speaker 2>those of you who have not yet played Fallout four,

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<v Speaker 2>and I guess potential spoiler for the show though this

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<v Speaker 2>is now we're just getting into theory world, so.

0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:20.399
<v Speaker 4>You don't want to have the theory.

0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Paladin Dance is a synth. So the synthetics and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to go to this is just like a

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<v Speaker 2>thirty thousand foot view. Since are synthetic are robot humans

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, we're used to replace people in the

0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:43.879
<v Speaker 2>Wasteland of the Commonwealth, and this has caused a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of stir out in the Wasteland with a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>rumors and different settlements that people were being kidnapped and

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<v Speaker 2>replaced by people that look just like them but didn't

0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:55.560
<v Speaker 2>act like them. And then so these synths are created

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<v Speaker 2>by the Institute, which is a faction centered around the

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<v Speaker 2>the former Ruins of Mit that's highly engaged in science.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Institute had been having a problem where some

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<v Speaker 2>of their synths had been because the Sins have free will,

0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:13.040
<v Speaker 2>some of their since had been like I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to do this and had escaped and had been and

0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:20.240
<v Speaker 2>their escape had been aided by a group of humans

0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:22.760
<v Speaker 2>called the Railroad that was helping them go to freedom.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the game, Paladin Harkness, who is I believe

0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:32.600
<v Speaker 2>a woman in the game, is what is called a courser,

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<v Speaker 2>and a courser is basically a synth cop that has

0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 2>been created that is, you know, very sophisticated, very adept

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:44.359
<v Speaker 2>at infiltration, and basically has been created to hunt down

0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:48.800
<v Speaker 2>escaped since and bring them back to the Institute. So

0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:53.679
<v Speaker 2>I do wonder if Paladin Harkness is not a synth

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<v Speaker 2>or possibly a courser, or in any case, not a

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<v Speaker 2>human being. And if we are just beginning now to

0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:02.320
<v Speaker 2>be introduced to characters who are gonna learn are actually

0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:06.480
<v Speaker 2>not people. So my and so you know, we talked

0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:11.040
<v Speaker 2>about the fact in episode one that House doesn't look

0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 2>like himself on the TV, And so I wonder if

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:17.920
<v Speaker 2>what's happening is we're starting to get the threads of

0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:25.280
<v Speaker 2>the Institute conspiracy, the Institute's role in this overall corporate conspiracy,

0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and if we are starting to meet characters who are

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<v Speaker 2>not who are actually synthetic robot human beings and not

0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:36.560
<v Speaker 2>flesh and blood human beings.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love.

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<v Speaker 2>More to that point, are we going to actually see

0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Harkness like solo a bunch of brother tote of steel

0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:50.760
<v Speaker 2>people because he's not a person, he's aye body.

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<v Speaker 3>Did wonder if the as soon as you've said that,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, okay, episode three, cold open, it's just

0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:58.959
<v Speaker 3>him like soloing everyone. Also, this makes a lot of

0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:02.680
<v Speaker 3>sense because something I really love about Fallout and especially

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<v Speaker 3>like Robert House and the New Vegas stuff, is it

0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:08.879
<v Speaker 3>is inherently tied into kind of the myth of like

0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 3>Walt Disney and the idea of this like soul Innovator,

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, something that is created as a mythology around

0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:19.800
<v Speaker 3>a singular person rather than like a reality of collaboration,

0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:22.760
<v Speaker 3>same that Disney did with stan Lee. You know, with

0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:25.920
<v Speaker 3>someone like Walt Disney, it was people like up Eyeworks

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.360
<v Speaker 3>who were cut out of that legacy, you know. So

0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 3>what I love is how all of those threads are

0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 3>coming together here because obviously you have the notion that

0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:36.680
<v Speaker 3>Walt Disney was the reason he was creating these animatronics

0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:38.640
<v Speaker 3>was so he could put his own brain in one

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:41.640
<v Speaker 3>and replace himself. And we see, you know, Bud has

0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:44.360
<v Speaker 3>the brain in the bucket. They're having so much fun

0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:48.560
<v Speaker 3>with our cultural understanding of these different ideas of masculinity

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:51.800
<v Speaker 3>and male leadership. And I think with Robert House, they're

0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:55.560
<v Speaker 3>onto something that is so vagacy and so intriguing, and

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 3>I love the idea that he has been able to

0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:01.600
<v Speaker 3>make these different people. And you know what the interesting

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:03.520
<v Speaker 3>thing is, if you think about the technology of the

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:05.600
<v Speaker 3>mesmetron and the way that we see House using it,

0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:08.680
<v Speaker 3>the first version of that can just be taking over

0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:12.000
<v Speaker 3>somebody else's body and controlling it. That is what happens

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:14.199
<v Speaker 3>when you are alive. And then the question is what

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:16.960
<v Speaker 3>do you do when you die to continue that immortality.

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:19.879
<v Speaker 3>And obviously the idea of living forever and cryo is

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:22.639
<v Speaker 3>a huge part of Fallout, and this notion of being

0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 3>alive for the future while being able to remember this

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:29.120
<v Speaker 3>idealized version of the past. Is this really interesting exploration

0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:32.680
<v Speaker 3>of human want. And I just think that this season,

0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 3>and now that you've kind of put that into my

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 3>mind about Harkness, I just think there's so much interesting

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:41.040
<v Speaker 3>stuff that suits the Vaga setting too, because think about like,

0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:43.960
<v Speaker 3>that's the first place that they had like holographic performers,

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:47.480
<v Speaker 3>and it's also where people would stay for years, and

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 3>it's where you know, when you watch something like Blade

0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 3>Around of twenty forty nine, they have holographic Elvis, or

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:54.720
<v Speaker 3>you watch an old movie they have an animatronic version

0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 3>of Frank Sinatra. I think there's so many interesting ways

0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:01.040
<v Speaker 3>that this can tie in to the Vegas setting, which

0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:03.000
<v Speaker 3>I think is why New Vegas is so beloved, is

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:05.080
<v Speaker 3>because they didn't just set it there because they thought

0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 3>it would look cool. They tied it in to the

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 3>history and cultural conflicts that have shaped it. And I guess, Jason,

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 3>do you think we're going to see any kind of

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:21.200
<v Speaker 3>similar water conflict or Hoover Dam showdown in this iteration

0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:23.399
<v Speaker 3>because we know that they're going to branch out and

0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:25.680
<v Speaker 3>this is more of a setting. But I could imagine

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:29.119
<v Speaker 3>an incredible like gang war showdown on the dam or something.

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:29.720
<v Speaker 1>I think.

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 2>I think we're going to get that towards the end

0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:34.879
<v Speaker 2>of this season. And I think the end of this

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:38.240
<v Speaker 2>season is going to keep drawing us east. I think

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 2>we've you know, we've done the West Coast and the

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:47.280
<v Speaker 2>ruins around the California Republic. We were in New Vegas

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of world right now, and I think we simply

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 2>must move east towards the Commonwealth and see what stories are.

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:56.560
<v Speaker 1>There for us.

0:28:56.600 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 2>And I think I'm theorizing that it will have a

0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:04.719
<v Speaker 2>lot to do with the Institute and the possibility that

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 2>the Institute has replaced some of the people that are

0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 2>involved in the conspiracy currently, like what if some of

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think we're gonna find out some maybe

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:21.600
<v Speaker 2>some vaut people are since tofine find out that the

0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:24.240
<v Speaker 2>Robert House that exists in this world is a synthetic,

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:27.480
<v Speaker 2>and so I think that that's where we're.

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 3>Going, Okay, Jason, Another thing I wanted to speak to

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:32.640
<v Speaker 3>about that I thought was really interesting about this episode,

0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:33.960
<v Speaker 3>and I would love to know your thoughts on this

0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:36.200
<v Speaker 3>because we talked a lot about, like, you know, the

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 3>way that Asian American people and Asian people in general

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 3>are represented in media something the show here. I think

0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 3>that is doing is really interesting And obviously this is

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 3>like tenemount part of the game too, but like, how

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 3>does it feel to see the way that they are

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 3>upending these kind of notions of like the Chinese American

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 3>nuclear war and China is this anti American thing? And

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:03.560
<v Speaker 3>how kind of more exploring it as oh America used

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:05.479
<v Speaker 3>that as a sy up in these corporations used as

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:10.320
<v Speaker 3>a sioup to fuck with people. How does that feelization, Yeah.

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:11.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it's quite interesting, and I think it makes

0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 2>it it's an important I think it's a very interesting

0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:20.680
<v Speaker 2>decision in the context of a game that is set

0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:26.720
<v Speaker 2>in this retro future Cold war setting, this idea that

0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:38.480
<v Speaker 2>corporations so concerned by growing progressivism, socialism, and possibly communism

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 2>that they must take control of, you know, the world

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 2>governments and the United States of America by any means

0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 2>necessary in order to preserve some form of capitalism and

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 2>bureaucratic corporate control structures. And I mean it's also very

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 2>interesting that like, despite all that, the Vault system is

0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 2>like quasi socialist in the way like everybody has a

0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 2>job and like has given a job and has a

0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 2>role within the structure and is also has to like

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 2>apply for a license to like marry a certain person

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 2>because of like the very pressing genetic.

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Issues down there.

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 2>It's all I think, it's all very interesting, and certainly

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 2>to learn as in the game that.

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:37.719
<v Speaker 1>The that the war was a psyop is pretty fascinating.

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm excited to see them explode that more.

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 4>And I love the kind of stuff.

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 3>You were pointing out that just about like the realities

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 3>of this really being about control, And I kind of

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 3>love the show that is this wacky way You're getting

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 3>giant scorpions poisoning people and a cool Western guy who's

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 3>like a Freddy Krueger anti hero, and a cutesy kind

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 3>of English actor who's like super bubbly and all.

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:03.760
<v Speaker 4>These genre trappings.

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 3>There is something very interesting at the center of these stories,

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:09.720
<v Speaker 3>and I kind of love, just like it was with

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:12.760
<v Speaker 3>Starship Troopers, you know, with these kind of big, bombastic

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 3>storytelling adventures that happen within these more obviously like militarized

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 3>or first person shooter or action spaces, you can get

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 3>away with a lot of subversive conversation and communication within them,

0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 3>and I love that the show is continuing that and

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 3>understanding that, like, yeah, is somebody going to be educated

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 3>about like the entire history of capitalism by the show

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 3>on Amazon Prime. No, but could it start somebody thinking

0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:44.320
<v Speaker 3>about the different ways that these systems work and maybe

0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:47.480
<v Speaker 3>why they aren't always so great? Yes, And I think

0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 3>that is really cool. And I still do think this

0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 3>show succeeds in that.

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>I will say, I do.

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Think it's one of the most ingenious details of capitalism.

0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely in a sense, it's a regime, right, but the

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 2>philosophy allows for space for criticism and for messages and

0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 2>content that directly criticize and even call for the overthrow

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 2>of the system, as long as that message finds its

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 2>monetary value within the system itself.

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So basically it's saying, okay, creating this kind of

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:37.200
<v Speaker 2>like appy anti capitalist, anti corporate story is very interesting.

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 2>But it's only interesting if it's not interesting for the content.

0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:42.280
<v Speaker 1>Of its message.

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:46.920
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting for the monetary value of its message to

0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:50.200
<v Speaker 2>the consumers who find it interesting. And therefore that is

0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:53.440
<v Speaker 2>why it has a place in the overall structure of capitalism.

0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's kind of why capitalism is so formidable,

0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean?

0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 3>Truly, And you actually a blowing my mind because when

0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 3>you think about it. Isn't that like the constant critique

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:04.560
<v Speaker 3>where people will be like, how can people watch Star

0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 3>Wars and not realize they're the bad guys? It's like,

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:10.319
<v Speaker 3>because the entire system is made so that if you

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:12.400
<v Speaker 3>don't want to think about it, you don't don't have

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 3>to think about it, and if you do want to

0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:16.879
<v Speaker 3>get that reading from it, you can. And you're right,

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:23.360
<v Speaker 3>that's such an interesting kind of wrinkle of capitalism or actually,

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:27.319
<v Speaker 3>like you know, perfectly ironed out plan of capitalism is like, yeah,

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:30.239
<v Speaker 3>you can critique it, you can say it's bad, but

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:32.160
<v Speaker 3>you know what, you still need to feed your family.

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:33.959
<v Speaker 3>So if you're going to put that show on about

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:37.480
<v Speaker 3>how it's bad, you better put it on the and

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:41.520
<v Speaker 3>by the corporation that you're critiquing, you know it's And

0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:43.879
<v Speaker 3>that's before we even get into the idea of like,

0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:47.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, video games and the company that made this

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:50.239
<v Speaker 3>and the issues that all video games companies have had.

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:55.560
<v Speaker 3>It's it's intentionally very complicated, and I think actually, as

0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:57.800
<v Speaker 3>we move forward, this is going to become more of

0:34:57.840 --> 0:34:59.799
<v Speaker 3>a thing because this was one of my base issues

0:34:59.840 --> 0:35:02.440
<v Speaker 3>with The Running Man. I feel like this is going

0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 3>to become as our world of dystopian fiction collides with

0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 3>our real world and our kind of understanding of what

0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:12.200
<v Speaker 3>has been going on for a long time in America

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:16.799
<v Speaker 3>and other countries. Is like, these shows stop being as

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:19.480
<v Speaker 3>easy to just go like, oh yeah, I'm on the ride, man,

0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:21.880
<v Speaker 3>I ride for these people. You start going, Okay, well,

0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 3>who's making them and what's the intention? And where do

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 3>they go? And how do I watch them? And it's

0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:30.239
<v Speaker 3>deeply intriguing time to be somebody who cares about and

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 3>likes this stuff.

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, we're going to continue covering Fallout, among other things.

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<v Speaker 1>On the next episode of Extra Vision. We're celebrating the.

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<v Speaker 2>Holidays with our list of best Santas in film.

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