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Speaker 1: Welcome morning, Welcome to jags am on Tuesday, March fifth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, which means that we are six days

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Speaker 1: away from the start of the legal tampering period, whatever

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Speaker 1: that is intended to mean, and then just eight days

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Speaker 1: from the start of the new league year. Lots of

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Speaker 1: questions to address, plenty to look back on from the

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Speaker 1: combine last week, and obviously plenty to talk about coming

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Speaker 1: up with some big issues, including as we introduced, John Oser,

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Speaker 1: senior writer at Jaguars dot Com, recently returned from Indianapolis,

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Speaker 1: including John the decision today on whether or not the

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Speaker 1: franchise Josh Allen wars all time single season sac leader

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Speaker 1: with seventeen and a half. Today is the day that

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars either have to apply the tag or work

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Speaker 1: like hell to get a deal done before next week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the key is if you apply the tag,

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Speaker 2: you can't take it off in retag, right, so you

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Speaker 2: only do it for one guy a year. So the urgency,

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Speaker 2: which is different than last year. Remember they tagged Devin

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Speaker 2: Ingram and sort of let it ride. The urgency is

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Speaker 2: you would think they may like to use it on

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Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley. I don't know that for a fact, but

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Speaker 2: that would seem like a possibility.

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of chatter about Ridley now all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, Mike Evans off the market, and other

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Speaker 1: receivers appearing to be done in t Higgins going into

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Speaker 1: a franchise situation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you don't really have.

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Speaker 2: It's not as easy to let it ride with Josh

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Speaker 2: a real feel for it. I've said over and over

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Speaker 2: and over again. To me, it makes sense to sign

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Speaker 2: Josh to a long term deal. I think he is

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Speaker 2: a guy who, even when he's not performing high SAX numbers,

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Speaker 2: he's always good against the run, always a good locker

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Speaker 2: room guy. I think he's a safe signing. But me

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Speaker 2: saying he's a safe signing doesn't necessarily mean numbers match,

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Speaker 2: because when numbers get into the range that these numbers

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Speaker 3: Be a lot.

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk specifically about some of the numbers

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Speaker 1: five salary cap hits for edge rushers and wide receivers

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Speaker 1: coming a look up a little bit later in the show.

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Speaker 1: But let's go with big things. We're gonna have an

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Speaker 1: A block big things, and then we're gonna have a

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Speaker 1: B block big things. Today we'll start with big things

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Speaker 1: from Trent Balky and we'll talk about what got done

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Speaker 1: last week, which was the first step in the process

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Speaker 1: of a new year.

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Speaker 4: Again, it goes back to did the player turn out

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Speaker 4: to be a good football player? Didn't he You're never

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Speaker 4: gonna get criticized for taking a good player. If it

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Speaker 4: doesn't work and the player doesn't end up reaching his

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Speaker 4: level of competency or the expectation of the pick, then

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Speaker 4: it's a bad pick. So it just comes down to

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Speaker 4: whether you made the right decision or not.

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Speaker 1: And those decisions are being made now. After a week

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Speaker 1: of evaluations at the Combine, personal interviews, and medical testing,

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars are further in the process John of putting

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Speaker 1: their board together and figuring out who are the good players.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's important to point out here and

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Speaker 1: but this team needs to hit good players in every round.

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Speaker 1: So this is a long, deep process that they've started.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I laughed when Trent said that, because my

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Speaker 2: thought is the Jaguars fans would criticize them for hitting

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Speaker 2: a good pick. Well, they criticize them for Traymon Walker.

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Speaker 2: Traymonwalker be really a great pick. But I'm obviously kidnap

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Speaker 2: about that. Yeah, they need you know, I always hesitate

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Speaker 2: at seventeen. It sure feels like as time goes on,

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Speaker 2: I start leaning. I'm leaning right now, Bryan, I start

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Speaker 2: leaning to position over here. Corners starting to make a

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Speaker 2: lot of sense. I'm having trouble now thinking they're going

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Speaker 3: But uh so much is going to depend on uh.

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Speaker 2: I think what they do in free agency more who

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Speaker 3: It's not just add on, it's managing.

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Speaker 1: And that's why you've got to make sure that you

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Speaker 1: But we're talking this year about you know, tight end

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Speaker 1: we've got a quarterback who's gonna eat up twelve, thirteen,

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Speaker 1: You gotta put these jars on the shelf.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you gotta have guys who are good for the

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Speaker 1: All right On to big thing too. Next week, which

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Speaker 1: free agency and the aforementioned decisions on both Josh Allen

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of players that have hit free agency

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Speaker 4: there's another bunch of young guys that were working on

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Speaker 1: Listen, everything they need to do with free agency, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be surprised. I would be surprised if

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Speaker 2: they don't sign at least one free agent who people

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Speaker 2: if you let Calvin walk, he'll he'll get you a

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Speaker 2: and you're not guaranteed a comp just because you lose

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure the comp pick deal is much of

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Speaker 1: How does that help you with help at all?

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Speaker 2: Sometimes people get in my opinion, I'm not a big

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Speaker 1: All right, final big thing in our first segment here

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Speaker 1: this morning, focusing on Trent Balky and his commentary from

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Speaker 1: they are working on the salary cap. Jaguars have a

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Speaker 1: decent salary cap position. Even though they're right in the

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Speaker 1: top of the heap as they've been in recent years.

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Speaker 1: The general manager knows they've got something to work with.

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Speaker 4: We're right in the middle to upper tier of the

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Speaker 4: So we like the position we're in, we like the

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Speaker 3: I remember Brian, the cap.

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Speaker 2: If they signed Josh and Ridley, that doesn't necessarily cripple

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Speaker 2: them for this year. That pushes out into the future.

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Speaker 2: What do you know, I sometimes feel sorry for gms

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Speaker 2: because they're at the podium and they're talking about the

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Speaker 2: meaning people are looking at the Caps saying, well, you

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Speaker 2: all this cap space.

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Speaker 1: In a one year window.

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Speaker 2: They've got a plan to make sure that you're not

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Speaker 2: big disconnect I think with fans last year in the offseason,

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Speaker 2: Trent from the time that he signed that twenty two

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Speaker 2: class said this is not going to be a big

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Speaker 2: right and have flexibility.

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Speaker 3: In twenty four it.

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Speaker 2: Played out like he said it was going to play out,

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Speaker 2: spending So he's still got to look even with the

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen, Calvin Ridley, it'll give him short term space,

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Speaker 2: but what's he gonna do with that long term?

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Speaker 3: And long term means getting room for Trevor Loawns. That's it, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as much as we talk about the pass

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Speaker 1: there is, you know how you're gonna get this one

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Speaker 1: a long term deal, not the cap or sorry, not

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Speaker 1: the tag, but a long term deal for Josh Allen

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Speaker 3: Walloons in three years. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So you got to understand that it's kind of

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Speaker 1: and of course news yesterday from Jeremy Fowler of ESPN

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Speaker 1: that the Jaguars have informed defensive tackle fully fought to

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Speaker 1: Kasi that they will move on from his services. That

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Speaker 1: them as well. In the sea block of this show

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Speaker 1: coming up in about fifteen minutes, we will spend a

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Speaker 1: good bit of time looking at the salary cap for

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars, where they're at, where they could possibly be going,

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Speaker 1: week we'll be back. More of Jags Am to follow

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Speaker 1: from the Midller Electric Center in Jacksonville. Right after this, well,

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Speaker 1: Move the phrase. All right, Brian John, back with you

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Speaker 1: here on a Tuesday for Jags am combine behind us,

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Speaker 1: new league year in front of us. But before we

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Speaker 1: get to that, let's hear from the head coach. And

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Speaker 1: big thing one from Doug's perspective, was right out of

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Speaker 1: the gate his new staff, and he went to great

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Speaker 1: lengths to describe the qualities of the men that he

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Speaker 1: was looking for, whether that was championship credentials or the

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Speaker 1: players that they had worked with. He had a very

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Speaker 1: specific idea in mind of the staff he wanted to

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Speaker 5: Group of men that that number one, you know, are

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Speaker 5: gonna get gonna get the most out of our players. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: you know, scheme might change just a little bit, but

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Speaker 5: You know what you see, but but it's all for

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Speaker 3: It's going to be more.

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Speaker 2: But that's what he historically wants to do. And all

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 5: Still put more of an impact to his voice in

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Speaker 3: He said multiple times has the right guy.

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Speaker 2: They believe in Trevor Lawrence and the combine has a

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Speaker 2: So it really I don't think it changed the narrative

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Speaker 1: Three or four times she used the phrase we have

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Speaker 1: And that was a continuing theme onto the offensive line. Look,

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Speaker 5: Put our players in position to be successful, give them

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Speaker 1: We'll see what this offensive line looks like. Obviously it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's so hard people.

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Speaker 2: I have people, you know, approach me asking me the

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Speaker 2: I think Cam Robinson's back after what Tran Balky said

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Speaker 3: Do you let him go before you know what you

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Speaker 2: the draft. Okay, we got so. I think they may

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Speaker 1: Well, it's either at least ap pierced this moment. You're

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Speaker 3: His first number was really low.

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Speaker 3: But at some point those top three.

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Speaker 1: He's got twenty one million dollars in what's called dead money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not that he was not gonna be backing Christian

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Speaker 2: much cap as it is. Hey, it's just time to

440
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Speaker 2: move on. Not every free agent works out the way

441
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Speaker 2: you hope the others come down to.

442
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 3: I do think.

443
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 2: The the increase in the salary cap it doesn't help

444
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 2: that much long term because all teams get it, so

445
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 2: like when you're going to try to resign Trevor Lawrence

446
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 2: or even Calvin. But it does help you manage what's

447
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: already on your books. And I do think it helps

448
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 2: in the sense of because it's higher, you could maybe

449
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Speaker 2: get a couple of guys through the start of the

450
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 2: new league year and then make decisions on them later

451
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: to help you long term, rather than having to slash

452
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 2: to get to the cap right now, see the difference there,

453
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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 1: Can we go back to the most recent slide the

455
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Speaker 1: top five cap savings? What's interesting to note and again

456
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Speaker 1: I was using the spot track service right, which is

457
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Speaker 1: available to anybody. It's a subscription service. So these are estimates.

458
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: That's where your cap savings is. Those are the only

459
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Speaker 1: five players on your roster where there are significant cap

460
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Speaker 1: saving right now. That so the other decision that you

461
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Speaker 1: can make, right, the other decisions that you can make

462
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 1: is all right?

463
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Speaker 3: So do we redo?

464
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Speaker 1: In other words, do we add years to cam Robinson's

465
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Speaker 1: deal to bring that number down? Is the general manager

466
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: has committed to him, as it sounded like when he spoke,

467
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Speaker 1: and can we lessen that number? Right? Change the contract up.

468
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: Darius Williams, this is the last year of his deal.

469
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Speaker 1: Do you want him enough to add years on to

470
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Speaker 1: the deal and maybe bring that number down to four

471
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Speaker 1: or five million dollars this year you're gonna have to

472
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: add two years on it to make that number work.

473
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: Same thing with Geriff and Lucon, guys who are getting

474
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: up there a.

475
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 3: Bit of age.

476
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Speaker 1: Do you really want to extend to get the savings.

477
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Speaker 2: I'd be surprised if there's any extensions like that outside

478
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Speaker 2: of CAM. I cannot see Darius Williams being extended in

479
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: the way you're talking about, even.

480
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Speaker 1: Though he's coming off a year where he was at

481
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Speaker 1: the top of the AFC.

482
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Speaker 3: I don't think.

483
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 2: At age with that corner, like he's not old football terms.

484
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 2: I don't know that you commit to him long term. Sheriff,

485
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 2: I don't really think you would extend the commitment there

486
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,959
Speaker 2: because it does seem like injuries are starting to slow that.

487
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: I could be dead wrong on that because he's a

488
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 2: good player that they love in the locker room, so

489
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 2: he may have a different element to it. Ray Shawn,

490
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: I love I don't think he's here next year because

491
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Speaker 2: I think ideally you want when you signed these guys

492
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: in twenty one and twenty two. You want to have

493
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Speaker 2: drafted well enough to replace some of these guys. I

494
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 2: think they did with Antonio Johnson, so I think that

495
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: becomes the ideal. Hey sign you for three which ray

496
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: Sean put in three years here for second contract free agents.

497
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Speaker 3: That's about what you want.

498
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: Well, and he gave you two of the biggest defensive

499
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Speaker 1: players in franchise.

500
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Speaker 2: It's a successful signing. But in this business second contract

501
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 2: free agents I don't know the number, but they often

502
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 2: do not play out the entire contract by design.

503
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Speaker 1: And by the way, the Jaymors have gotten a little

504
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: bit more from their free agents. Robert Van Harris was

505
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Speaker 1: part of that class as well.

506
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Speaker 2: They've done very well signed a free agents. My point

507
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Speaker 2: with this topic is a lot of times when you

508
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: cut guys at this point, he would say, oh, you

509
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 2: mismanage the cap.

510
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 3: You're having to cut guys. If ray Sean is.

511
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 2: Released, for example, that's not really mismanaging the cap. Right,

512
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: they knew when they signed him probably a two or

513
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: three year contract. The fact that he played three and

514
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 2: gave you two big plays, that may say it successful,

515
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: even though you have to eat some dead money.

516
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 3: At the end.

517
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: That process is how the league works right now. It's

518
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: not that's sort of the standard operating procedure. It's not mismanaging.

519
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 2: The mismanaging took place twenty five years ago.

520
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, that's absolutely true.

521
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: We live it.

522
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: Numbers can get all, they can all start to run together.

523
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: But the bottom line is the Jaguars have some decisions

524
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: that they can make. They're not all easy decisions, right,

525
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 1: Cam Robinson, Foya Luacon, These are not easy moves by

526
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: any stretch of the imagination. But if the Jaguars put

527
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: a plan together, they can carve out enough cap room

528
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: to do what they want to do. And that is

529
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Speaker 1: what Trent Bulky has been saying all along. Two more

530
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Speaker 1: things we want to talk about real quick. First of all,

531
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen's deal will find out today. Today is the

532
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: deadline for the Jaguars to give him the franchise tag,

533
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 1: and if not, they've got to get a deal done

534
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Speaker 1: with him before the start of the new league year,

535
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Speaker 1: when he would become a free agent. Here are the

536
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: top five edge rushers in terms of salary as of today,

537
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: and you see right there. I mean, look, Nick Bosa

538
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: clearing way is the highest pay guy, but you're looking

539
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: to get an average in there somewhere around twenty six

540
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: twenty seven million. If you're Josh Allen, if you just

541
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: want to be in the top five, if you want

542
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: to be about the top pay guy, you got to

543
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: get to thirty five.

544
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

545
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 2: Boy, I just think that if both sides want to

546
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: get it done, they'll get it done. And I do

547
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: think the projected cap going up helps this situation. And

548
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 2: as soon as I say that it doesn't, it doesn't

549
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: because both sides sort of know it and they want

550
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: to push those numbers up to every want to keep

551
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: it down. I've got to think Josh gets done. And

552
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: maybe that's just sort of because I want to see

553
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: it getting and somewhere.

554
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: There in that Joey Bosa range, perhaps about twenty seven million.

555
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's tough to make the case that you

556
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: deserve what Nick Bosa and TJ wants. Well, yeah, because

557
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: both of those.

558
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 3: Leaders, and that's what Trent BALKI, that's what I say.

559
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 2: If I'm Trent Balky, if I'm Josh Allen's people, I say, well, maybe,

560
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: but we all know that this top number at every

561
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 2: position goes up every year in three years with the

562
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: cap going up, if you pay Josh thirty in three years,

563
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: that's gonna.

564
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: Be a bargain. That's gonna be their side of it.

565
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: Sure, And that's why these things aren't easy because everybody's

566
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 2: always trying to adjust for not only inflation, which you

567
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: know that's that's one, but salary inflation and cap inflation.

568
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: So you're almost guessing it's a little bit akin to

569
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: the to the Christian Kirk conversation three years ago. Remember

570
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: when Christian Kirk was, oh my goodness, how could you

571
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: pay Christian?

572
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 3: But now he's a bargain. So from Josh's.

573
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: Team's point of view, they're looking at that and saying, well,

574
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: that's how this thing works. From the team's point of view,

575
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 2: they're saying, well, you know, you're really good, but you're

576
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: not quite Nick Bosa, right, I mean everybody gets that,

577
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: So that's where the conflict.

578
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:03,719
Speaker 3: Is, all right.

579
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: And a quick look at the top five numbers for

580
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: wide receivers, which is obviously changed in the last thirty

581
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: six hours because now you've got Mike Evans from Tampa,

582
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: who would slote in there between aj Brown and Cooper

583
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: Cup at about twenty six million dollars a year. But

584
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: if you're gonna pay Calvin Ridley, and if there's a

585
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: market out there for him, he's gonna be looking to

586
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: jump somewhere into this range. You would imagine.

587
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again for the same reason.

588
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: Anybody who's read me or listened to me, I want

589
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: I think Calvin really should be back on the team

590
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: next year. Whatever he quote wasn't he gave you elements

591
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: that are important. Again, I would have a tough time

592
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: if these numbers didn't didn't sort of rise fast. I

593
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: don't know that I'd put Calvin in that bunch because

594
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: he's probably just a touch below that. But if this

595
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: is going to keep escalating, which it is, then that's

596
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: where the argument becomes, well, look, you're paying him for

597
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: what you think he's going to be and what the

598
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: market's going to be. Again, that's what makes the If

599
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: we weren't sitting here sort of crunching on this conversation,

600
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: these deals would already be done, right. This is the

601
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: conflict that makes these deals tough to get well.

602
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Speaker 1: And even if he comes in underneath you know DK

603
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: metcalf which was twenty four million, five hundred, you're you're

604
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: bumping up against that to get something with Calvin.

605
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: No.

606
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I think you're in the Christian range, as

607
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Speaker 2: Christian was twenty three.

608
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: No, Christians range is twenty four six, nine thirty.

609
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Speaker 3: So that's exactly. That's probably the ballpark. I want to

610
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: play that ballpark, right, Yeah, that's a nice ballpark.

611
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: I'd play in a fraction of it. Yeah, it's all

612
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: it takes. All right, So the cap conversation there you

613
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: go food for thought as you move forward towards the

614
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Speaker 1: start of the legal tampering period, we'll talk about that

615
00:30:52,920 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: when we come back on JAG's eighty. All right, back

616
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Speaker 1: to wrap up drags AM on a Tuesday, legal tampering period,

617
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: that's what it's called. It opens on Monday. That is

618
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: a negotiation window, and the last couple of years it's

619
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: been useful to see what teams were doing almost right

620
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: out of the gate.

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Speaker 2: Well it's free agency. It's called I mean, it's legal tampering.

622
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: But it has become a thing where by three or

623
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Speaker 2: four hours into that, the free agency landscape is I

624
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: don't put a percentage on it, but it's there, Like

625
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: you can see how it's playing out. A lot of

626
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: the big names are gone, so The reality is it

627
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: doesn't always work like this, But usually if long term

628
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: deals with teams aren't done by the time tampering starts,

629
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Speaker 2: it's usually over.

630
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Speaker 3: Now.

631
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: That's not in always there are any situations, maybe they

632
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: tell Calvin, we really want you, got to get you

633
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: through the start of the new league year because.

634
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 3: Of that the clause in the second or third round pick.

635
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: But historically, anytime you hear a GM say well, we're

636
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: gonna let him test the market, well you shake the

637
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: guy's hand and say, well, thank you, very good luck.

638
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: You know, I've really enjoyed your time here. So we'll see.

639
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: And I sailed that with a caveat of every free

640
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: agency period sort of takes its own life, so you

641
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: never know. If it's always possible that what I just

642
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: said doesn't come to fruition, that's just the history of it.

643
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: And we may be talking about a different trend next year,

644
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: because trends in this league can change fast.

645
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: That'll do it for jags am on Tuesday. We'll be

646
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: back next week of Belee Kai. We'll be back with us,

647
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: and we'll be right in the middle between the start

648
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: of the legal tampering period and the start of the

649
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: new League years, so we'll have plenty of talking about

650
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 1: next Tuesday here on jags Am. Have a great week, hm,

651
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: hm