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Speaker 2: the program. We stumbled upon a topic a question for
Speaker 2: you the audience in the first hour because Buffalo Bill's
Speaker 2: fans are not going to let go of that interception,
Speaker 2: and instead of blaming who you need to blame, and
Speaker 2: that's Josh Allen, You're going to blame the official. The
Speaker 2: more I see it, the more I hear from former players,
Speaker 2: certainly defensive backs and wide receivers, they made the right call.
Speaker 2: Now in the moment, I didn't think they did, and
Speaker 2: I didn't think once they called it an interception, I thought,
Speaker 2: there's no way they'll be able to overturn this. And
Speaker 2: if you had called it the other way, you wouldn't
Speaker 2: have been able to overturn it. I don't think if
Speaker 2: you looked at it again, but to say we're going
Speaker 2: to hold that official accountable, that's why we didn't advance,
Speaker 2: you'd be incorrect with that, and you would be holding
Speaker 2: on to something that's really not fair to the totality
Speaker 2: of the way your team played. You should have won
Speaker 2: the game. You should have won the game. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: best player on the field and he didn't play well.
Speaker 2: Seaton Poll question results from hour one and then we'll
Speaker 2: look ahead for hour two.
Speaker 3: Let's see we have up there. Would you rather be
Speaker 3: the head coach of the Cleveland Browns or an offensive
Speaker 3: coordinator somewhere else? That's holding steady at about eighty two
Speaker 3: percent of the audience would rather be an offensive coordinator somewhere.
Speaker 4: Else, all right?
Speaker 2: In fairness to what we're talking about, Mike McDaniel wasn't
Speaker 2: offered the head coaching job in Cleveland. He took his
Speaker 2: name out of the running, and now he's expected to
Speaker 2: be the offensive coordinator with the churchers.
Speaker 3: Some people saying that's not fair because, say, a job
Speaker 3: like the Chargers or the Lions are different types of
Speaker 3: jobs than the offensive coordinator of I don't know, a
Speaker 3: not good.
Speaker 2: Team like the Titans. Perhaps, Okay, yeah, yeah, Paul, Do you.
Speaker 5: Want to play the game if all NFL jobs were
Speaker 5: open today for the same pay, which is the last
Speaker 5: one you'd take? Because it feels like everyone's putting the
Speaker 5: Browns in that list?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 5: Is there a worse situation?
Speaker 2: I think Tennessee is promising, But once again, it goes
Speaker 2: back to can you trust ownership in the front office.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're bringing in Robert Salah Okay, who's your
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator? To help Cam more? But I do think
Speaker 2: you got a lot of cap space there. I would
Speaker 2: say that, you know, there's promise there. I think there's
Speaker 2: promise in Cleveland. But you got to get a quarterback
Speaker 2: because I don't think you have a starting quarterback in
Speaker 2: the building. You've got a pretty good defense, you got
Speaker 2: the defensive player of the year, the defensive rookie of
Speaker 2: the year. Okay, but how are your skilled position players?
Speaker 2: You know, now you're in a division that feels like
Speaker 2: it's in a state of flux. Arizona is the place
Speaker 2: I don't want to go unless I retire. Then I'd
Speaker 2: be fine going there, But if I'm going to coach now,
Speaker 2: they lost like fourteen or their last fifteen. The Raiders situation,
Speaker 2: I got to lean on Brady that Brady will get
Speaker 2: it right. And Brady was at the National title game,
Speaker 2: and from what I was told, coaching candidates were encouraged
Speaker 2: to fly there so they could do all their meetings there.
Speaker 2: Jets situation. I don't like that either. It's kind of
Speaker 2: the same bottom feeders, you know. That's why they're always
Speaker 2: in the topic, you know, conversation with the draft.
Speaker 5: Top five, Yeah, Paul, going back to the Browns, they
Speaker 5: were five and twelve and they were outscored by one
Speaker 5: hundred points this weekend. All right, last year they did
Speaker 5: have a top fifteen defense. For example, the Jets were
Speaker 5: outscored by two hundred and three points, Raiders by one
Speaker 5: ninety one, They Arazon a Cardo by one thirty three.
Speaker 5: Those are the futile teams.
Speaker 2: Some phone calls here with these bad moments that you
Speaker 2: get to revisit here on the program, Chris in Minnesota,
Speaker 2: which the moment you can't move on from.
Speaker 6: Thanks Dan, first time, long time. First of us want
Speaker 6: to thank you Dan for all the years in case
Speaker 6: I never get to call you again, and thank you
Speaker 6: and hopefully you enjoy your retirement in two years. For
Speaker 6: me as a Raiders fan, it's the Tuck rule, you know,
Speaker 6: the tuck rull game. I think goes with what the
Speaker 6: divisional playoff. I can't remember the year, but man, that
Speaker 6: for that rule to now be nonexistent and now here
Speaker 6: it's it was so crucial to that Raiders team. And
Speaker 6: you know, obviously the legend of Tom Brady was that
Speaker 6: was a big stepping.
Speaker 4: Stone for him to win that year.
Speaker 6: But then that play just guts me because that ball
Speaker 6: is pointed right down on the bottom of the ground.
Speaker 7: When he gets sacked.
Speaker 6: So I don't understand, ever, I will ever understand how
Speaker 6: that's not a or how that's a incompletion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when a game has a name a nickname attached
Speaker 2: to it, you know that's one that's not going away
Speaker 2: anytime soon. Uh. Mark in Charleston, Him, Mark, what's on
Speaker 2: your mind?
Speaker 8: Hey?
Speaker 9: Dan, appreciate it.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 9: First, all our longtime listener, I would just like to
Speaker 9: point out as a fan base. I'll set the team.
Speaker 9: It's Super Bowl forty nine. You're a Seahawk fan. You're
Speaker 9: watching your team on the goal line, ready to put
Speaker 9: a dagger in the Patriots. You got Beast mode sitting
Speaker 9: right there, waiting to just steamroll anybody in front of you.
Speaker 9: And what does Pete Carroll do. As smart as a
Speaker 9: coach as he is, he dials up this bush league
Speaker 9: slamp pass and it goes right into the sturdy hands
Speaker 9: of a rookie Malcolm Butler at the time. And then,
Speaker 9: of course Brady does his best Tom Brady impression, takes
Speaker 9: down the field, scores a game winner for them. Good night,
Speaker 9: game over, drive home safely.
Speaker 2: Wait, I thought after Malcolm Butler had the interception, they
Speaker 2: just ran out, ran out the clock. They didn't. Tom
Speaker 2: didn't take him down for a touchdown.
Speaker 9: Tom prior to that, had taken him down and he.
Speaker 2: Was doing okay, oh yeah, okay, yeah. Because I'm in
Speaker 2: the end zone, I'm standing underneath the goalpost, and it's
Speaker 2: one of those I'll I'll never forget watching that unfold
Speaker 2: because I thought, okay, they either give it to Marshawn
Speaker 2: Lynch or you have a run pass option with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2: Therefore he can throw the ball away, maybe he runs
Speaker 2: it in for a touchdown. I did not think that
Speaker 2: throwing the ball over the middle, because when he did it,
Speaker 2: I went, oh, bleep because it was so tight the
Speaker 2: traffic in there. But Malcolm Butler, what an unbelievable play
Speaker 2: might be the greatest play in Super Bowl history? Isn't it?
Speaker 2: Could it be a loss became a win? Yes? And
Speaker 2: for what Brady's resume is and Belichick's resume, what was
Speaker 2: attached to that? Yes, Marvin, you.
Speaker 10: Hit it on the head. That one play differentiates whether
Speaker 10: Russell Wilson, Richard Sherman, Pete Carroll gets into the Hall
Speaker 10: of Fame or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kevin in Cleveland, Hi, Kevin A.
Speaker 7: DP Dannetz five seven. And according to WebMD, morbidly obese.
Speaker 7: You may be the only one amongst the guys that
Speaker 7: remember this. But red right eighty eight January fourth, nineteen
Speaker 7: eighty one, Raiders Browns. I was eighteen years old at
Speaker 7: the time I saw it and wept in front of
Speaker 7: the TV. And is it unhealthy? Just last question? Is
Speaker 7: it unhealthy that every January fourth since then I walk
Speaker 7: around with a not in my stomach my wife. Yes,
Speaker 7: I think it's justified.
Speaker 2: Let describe the play to the audience.
Speaker 7: Okay, the play was. It was thirteen seconds left, I believe,
Speaker 7: and the Browns had a choice. It was thirty seven
Speaker 7: below zero. The Browns had a choice to kick a
Speaker 7: field goal and win the game or go for a touchdown.
Speaker 7: And Sam Retigliano, the coach at the time, decided this
Speaker 7: play and Brian Site threw it and it was an
Speaker 7: interception game over. It was I don't know if you
Speaker 7: could you could hear a pin drop in the stadium.
Speaker 2: Well happen, and you know, you could have picked the
Speaker 2: Ernest Biner fumble, John Elways drive was a series of
Speaker 2: plays there, but Ernest Byner the fumble. Yeah, Brian Site
Speaker 2: Site might have been MVP that year as well. Uh,
Speaker 2: Brian in Missouri. Hey Brian, Hey, good morning Dan.
Speaker 8: First of all, let me say that the fact that
Speaker 8: you guys don't have a sports that me should be
Speaker 8: investigated by I don't know, Congress.
Speaker 2: Congress has more important things. Not really, not really, it's criminal,
Speaker 2: Thank you, Brian, thank you.
Speaker 8: My play is the twenty eighteen AFC Championship game when
Speaker 8: freaking d Ford lines up off sides, the Chiefs intercept Brady.
Speaker 8: They are going to go to the super Bowl. It's
Speaker 8: Patrick Mahomes's first year as a starter. He's thrown for
Speaker 8: over five thousand yards passing and I'm not mistaken fifty
Speaker 8: touchdowns and d Ford can't line up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you made up for that with some super bowls, yes, Paulie.
Speaker 5: But if they don't win a bunch of Super Bowls
Speaker 5: after that, that play has a lot more legendary status.
Speaker 5: I'm looking at it right now. D Ford's a foot
Speaker 5: over the line.
Speaker 2: Of scrimmage, Mike Jones tackling Kevin Dyson at the one
Speaker 2: yard line. Yeah, Paulie.
Speaker 5: Now, I just looked at that play when Mike Jones
Speaker 5: made that tackle on Dyson. If they score and go
Speaker 5: for one, obviously it goes to overtime. So it's not
Speaker 5: a loss different than Malcolm.
Speaker 2: Butler, Jesse and Kansas. I like how we're tapping into
Speaker 2: people's misery. We're trying to make Buffalo Bill's fans feel
Speaker 2: a little bit better today. What do you have for me,
Speaker 2: jess Hey.
Speaker 11: Third time, A long time, young blooded, old school I've
Speaker 11: got too damn but real fast. If I can say,
Speaker 11: I called in last year at the dress to tell
Speaker 11: you guys about my sons in the nick you and
Speaker 11: I might need to help me in this case.
Speaker 1: But he's doing great.
Speaker 12: He's almost one years old.
Speaker 11: He has a cerful palsy diagnosis. He thought it affective
Speaker 11: most kids, and he's super happy, get and curious. But
Speaker 11: I didn't get to say thank you to you guys,
Speaker 11: to you the day nets the back room guys, Stephen
Speaker 11: Wilson Jr. The song twisted, you know really helped me out.
Speaker 11: You guys, we didn't have a lot of time, and
Speaker 11: you know, you know what to do for people, but
Speaker 11: just wanted you know, you have an audience of people.
Speaker 11: I'm not in a hospital bed every day, but I'm
Speaker 11: trauma bound here show three hours a day because I
Speaker 11: need you guys to help me get through my life.
Speaker 11: So I just wanted to say that.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys, Thank you, thank you, Jesse, thank you,
Speaker 2: Curtis and Illinoishi Curtis ADP.
Speaker 13: The game that lives just rent free in my head
Speaker 13: still to this day is the twenty twelve sail Mary
Speaker 13: again still is living in Illinois. Being a Packers fan
Speaker 13: isn't bad enough this time of year, but just reliving
Speaker 13: that one, and I still hate Russell Wilson in the
Speaker 13: Seahawks word because it's got to be the worst officiated
Speaker 13: play in NFL history.
Speaker 2: There's a list of those plays. But thank you, Curtis.
Speaker 7: Seeen.
Speaker 2: Did we come up with the pole question for hour two?
Speaker 3: Well, I've been trying to wait to see how this
Speaker 3: topic shakes out, to see if one presents itself about
Speaker 3: worst calls or worst plays, most painful plays, etc. We
Speaker 3: do have one here from Marvin about the biggest baseball
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame snub Dale Murphy, Don Mattingley or Steve
Speaker 3: Garvey's fun Okay, I like that. We'll throw that one
Speaker 3: up there, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Murph was he was so close. It felt
Speaker 2: like two MVPs didn't win anything except for one of
Speaker 2: the nicest people I've ever met my life. Went from
Speaker 2: being a catcher to a center fielder. But he's in
Speaker 2: the Hall of good, very good. He's in the Hall
Speaker 2: of very Good. Mattingly. Mattingly was like two years two
Speaker 2: good years away, I feel like, and if he won
Speaker 2: a World Series like they did that next year, he's
Speaker 2: probably in the Hall of Fame. And Garby to me,
Speaker 2: is a Hall of Famer. When you say the name,
Speaker 2: I go, yeah, okay, yeah, hall of Famer, yeah, Mark, Yeah.
Speaker 10: I think Don Matteleie being a great player and not
Speaker 10: winning with the Yankees definitely hurts the resume and him
Speaker 10: not playing a really long time and it's not like
Speaker 10: he played for twenty years. His great years are probably ten.
Speaker 2: I think Mattingly was a better player than Kirby Pucket,
Speaker 2: but Kirby was so instrumental in the Twins winning couple
Speaker 2: of World Series titles, and he also had the injury
Speaker 2: as well. Because I think you have to play a
Speaker 2: minimum of ten years. Is that what it is? But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's tricky with the Hall of Fame because we tend
Speaker 2: to throw I don't know, people's names are AT's what
Speaker 2: they did, what they didn't do. I mean, it's their life.
Speaker 2: I mean it's the most important thing in their in
Speaker 2: their life or at least their career, the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 2: and you know, we tend to kind of go, oh,
Speaker 2: this and that and what did he do? And then
Speaker 2: you know postseason and you know they're just there's a
Speaker 2: lot of things involved, and then of course you throw
Speaker 2: in the steroids because you know that's tricky. But I
Speaker 2: do think somewhere down the road a whole new wave
Speaker 2: of younger writers will look at steroids differently. I do
Speaker 2: think that it's it's the era, the era that these
Speaker 2: guys were in, and and and if if you want
Speaker 2: to put Bonds in and you know, we we bring
Speaker 2: this up every year at this time or a Rod
Speaker 2: just put it on their plaque, put put something that
Speaker 2: denotes what happened, you know. But Bonds was never like
Speaker 2: that's trickier. Hey Rodd, you know they popped him twice.
Speaker 2: I guess he shouldn't be involved in baseball at all.
Speaker 2: Now he's one of the faces of baseball. Yes, Mark
Speaker 2: Steve Garvey was before my time. But was there a
Speaker 2: signature moment, Like I know he had a great playoff
Speaker 2: run as far as batting average, but does he have
Speaker 2: that signature home run a lah David Ortiz where you
Speaker 2: can point to something that he did in the postseason. No,
Speaker 2: he played in one World Series, but he was very
Speaker 2: good in the postseason. I mean he had numbers and
Speaker 2: National leagu Championship Series. Was he two World Series or one? One?
Speaker 14: Dan?
Speaker 5: He hit three twenty five in that World Series?
Speaker 2: Okay? Yeah, And you know with my source saying, Hey, Garvey,
Speaker 2: whenever his name comes up, the voters, writers tend to
Speaker 2: chop him up, like you know, it's Benny Hannah with
Speaker 2: his defense. Well, he did win four Gold Gloves. I
Speaker 2: don't know, seems like that better than average. It's weird
Speaker 2: how we use somebody's defensive abilities or liabilities. I've heard many, many,
Speaker 2: many times that the joker can't play defense, Steph Curry
Speaker 2: can't play defense. I don't know if Shay Gilgess Alexander
Speaker 2: can play defense. I've never heard somebody say, man, he
Speaker 2: can play defense. It's he gets a lot of free
Speaker 2: throws and you'll be the MVP again this year. Yes, pulling.
Speaker 5: It is frustrating also when certain players like a Steve
Speaker 5: Garvey or whoever you want to talk about, Dale Murphy,
Speaker 5: they're in their late seventies and you want to do
Speaker 5: it now. You want to let them enjoy it now,
Speaker 5: because where would be Where would the outrage be if
Speaker 5: Steve Garvey got into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: Not No, there wouldn't be none. Yeah, yeah, it does feel.
Speaker 3: Weird to hold the defensive abilities of a baseball player
Speaker 3: against them when they have a position called designated hitter.
Speaker 2: They don't have a designated Yeah, but I remember Frank
Speaker 2: Thomas won the MVP, and you know people are like,
Speaker 2: not a very good defender, a pretty good at offense.
Speaker 2: I mean, Rafael pal Merrow won a Gold Glove and
Speaker 2: I think he played less than ten games at first base, Like,
Speaker 2: how is that possible? Must have been ten great games,
Speaker 2: lights out. It must have been the most unbelievable performance there.
Speaker 2: So when you get these awards, I don't know what
Speaker 2: nobody cares about gold Glove now. Back back in the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties,
Speaker 2: it felt like it was important, But I don't think
Speaker 2: it is now.
Speaker 10: Yes, Marv, is it because baseball is out of the
Speaker 10: national consciousness?
Speaker 2: Well, we look at baseball as you either strike somebody
Speaker 2: out or you hit a home run. I don't think
Speaker 2: we look at it as boy, they got a great
Speaker 2: defensive team.
Speaker 10: So what have Ozzie Smith had been a big star
Speaker 10: like he was in the eighties today's game?
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't think So let me take a break.
Speaker 2: Jason Garrett, Well, Jonas, we'll talk to some of these
Speaker 2: coaching vacancies. He interviewed for the Tennessee John He'll join
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Speaker 2: Jason Garrett, NBC Football Night in America's studio analyst, former
Speaker 2: Cowboys head coach back on the program. We were just
Speaker 2: talking about painful moments, you know, Buffalo Bill's fans having
Speaker 2: a hard time getting over that interception, and you were
Speaker 2: the coach of the Cowboys for the des Bryant play.
Speaker 2: I was is that your toughest play? That like that
Speaker 2: still stays with you of all the plays when you
Speaker 2: were coaching or a player.
Speaker 4: You know, I would say two plays.
Speaker 14: The des Bryant play would be one, and then the
Speaker 14: other play was a couple of years later in the
Speaker 14: Divisional Ral when when Aaron Rodgers rolled left and made
Speaker 14: that amazing throw. So, yeah, we had we had a
Speaker 14: couple of interesting ones at the end of games, you know,
Speaker 14: with a chance to go to the NFC Championship game
Speaker 14: and they go right to the end of the end
Speaker 14: of the game against the Packers.
Speaker 4: And Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: But the des Bryant call. What were you told in
Speaker 2: the moment and were you okay with what they told
Speaker 2: you about that non touchdown?
Speaker 14: Well, uh, I feel like I'm an expert in this
Speaker 14: area because I've talked about this a lot with a
Speaker 14: lot of people through the years.
Speaker 4: Uh I was.
Speaker 14: I was bothered by the call for a couple of
Speaker 14: different reasons. The number of times I had heard prior
Speaker 14: to that play.
Speaker 4: You know, how long do you need to catch the ball?
Speaker 14: And there was always this idea of, hey, all you
Speaker 14: need is time enough to make a football move. And
Speaker 14: the officials who would tell me this, they would say, hey,
Speaker 14: he doesn't have to make a football move. It's just
Speaker 14: time enough to make a football move. And if you
Speaker 14: look at the Dead Briant play. You know, he catches
Speaker 14: the ball just outside the five yard line. It was
Speaker 14: one of the most amazing catches I believe in the
Speaker 14: history of football. He catches it and he switches hands
Speaker 14: with it. He gets one foot down, two foot down.
Speaker 14: The third he lunges, so he's switched hands. He's gotten
Speaker 14: the feet down. Lunge is a football move. He has
Speaker 14: the ball here, he extends it. These are all football
Speaker 14: moves over the course of five yards. So he's essentially
Speaker 14: running with the ball to get himself down there to
Speaker 14: make that extension. And you know, for them to come
Speaker 14: back and say he needs to survive the ground, this
Speaker 14: thing that seemed to trump everything else. You know, I'm like,
Speaker 14: how many times have I heard from you guys? He
Speaker 14: doesn't even have to make a football move, He just
Speaker 14: needs time enough. And literally he made seven football moves
Speaker 14: over the course of five yards. And then the other
Speaker 14: part of it is it was ruled to catch on
Speaker 14: the field by a guy who was standing right there.
Speaker 14: And so for them to come into it afterwards and say,
Speaker 14: you know, it's indisputable that this is not a catch,
Speaker 14: it was really a.
Speaker 4: Hard thing for me to comprehend.
Speaker 14: And if you remember after that, it started with Calvin
Speaker 14: Johnson and then it was the des play, and then
Speaker 14: for about three or four years after that, every catch
Speaker 14: or non catch was viewed through that same prism, and
Speaker 14: they completely screwed up.
Speaker 4: What a catch was.
Speaker 14: I mean, guys are running down the field stumbling, and
Speaker 14: they have it for ten yards, but he falls down
Speaker 14: and all of a sudden, that's not a catch. And
Speaker 14: so a little bit like the tuck rule, took him
Speaker 14: about five years to quietly try to change it. But
Speaker 14: I think we're kind of back to that same place,
Speaker 14: and I think it's frustrating for a lot of people.
Speaker 2: What did you think in the moment of the interception
Speaker 2: in the Broncos Bills game.
Speaker 4: I still think it's a catch.
Speaker 14: I do you know, a hundred years ago in football
Speaker 14: you had to tackle a guy and lay on top
Speaker 14: of him and keep him down. If you look at
Speaker 14: the old films, they tackle him and the guy keeps
Speaker 14: getting back up. Right, that's rugby. We're not playing rugby, right,
Speaker 14: We're playing football. So for him to make that catch,
Speaker 14: secure the ball, go to the ground, be touched, and
Speaker 14: then have the defender rip the ball out when they're
Speaker 14: on the ground, what are we doing?
Speaker 4: You know, it's a catch.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a catch in the moment, and
Speaker 2: the more I looked at it, the more it felt
Speaker 2: like the defender was getting his hands on the ball
Speaker 2: before they hit the ground. I was, first of all,
Speaker 2: I was surprised that they called it in interception, and
Speaker 2: I knew they weren't going to overturn it. If they
Speaker 2: called her to catch, I don't think they would have
Speaker 2: overturned it either.
Speaker 14: Yeah, and again that's what takes me back to the
Speaker 14: des Brian play. It was called a catch, and to
Speaker 14: say indiscantable evidence overturns it. You know, I have a
Speaker 14: regret about that play. Dan afterwards in the game, you know,
Speaker 14: it was a head coach, you're always preaching no excuses,
Speaker 14: and you know I talked to our guys about, Hey,
Speaker 14: that was one play. We had fifty six minutes before,
Speaker 14: We had four minutes afterwards to win that game. So
Speaker 14: we're not gonna We're not going to rely on officials
Speaker 14: to make the right calls. It's our job as players
Speaker 14: and coaches. Having said that, something I wish I should
Speaker 14: have said was in the moment, I get all that
Speaker 14: there's no excuses.
Speaker 4: We had our opportunities.
Speaker 14: But Tony Rollman made an amazing throw and Dez Bryant
Speaker 14: made one of the greatest catches in the history of
Speaker 14: the National Football League. And for me as a coach,
Speaker 14: as a former player, and as a fan of footbootball,
Speaker 14: this play should have been in the lore of Bradshaw
Speaker 14: to Swan over Mark Washington and the Super Bowl falling
Speaker 14: stumbling down. There should have been Roger staullback to Butch Johnson,
Speaker 14: all of those amazing plays in the history of the game.
Speaker 4: And somehow it got caught up and officiating.
Speaker 14: And I thought about this the other day because coming
Speaker 14: out of that game, what did we talk about? We
Speaker 14: talked about a catcher, no catch or interception, and then
Speaker 14: we talked about the past interferences on the following drive. Right,
Speaker 14: They let the players play a certain way the whole game,
Speaker 14: and then all of a sudden, we're calling these plays
Speaker 14: at the end.
Speaker 4: And I have nothing against Denver.
Speaker 14: They did a fantastic job all year long, but I
Speaker 14: hate as a fan of football that officiating in these
Speaker 14: big games is what the conversation is.
Speaker 2: What was it like to interview for the Tennessee John.
Speaker 14: A great experience, really like Mike Organzi their general manager,
Speaker 14: Dave Zigglers their assistant general manager, Reggie McKenzie's there, Chat Brinker,
Speaker 14: really good guys. You know, I went down there. The
Speaker 14: interview was supposed to be like I think from nine
Speaker 14: to twelve. We went from about nine to fifteen to
Speaker 14: close to three o'clock, so, you know, plenty of time
Speaker 14: to talk about football and a vision.
Speaker 4: For the team.
Speaker 2: But are you thinking the long team the longer it
Speaker 2: goes that, Like, you know, if it's only going to
Speaker 2: go three hours and now it goes close to six
Speaker 2: hours in your mind, are you going you call your
Speaker 2: wife and you say, man, I killed it.
Speaker 14: You know, no, not so much that More than just
Speaker 14: I love talking football, and I really like the guys
Speaker 14: they put together there, some former general managers coming together,
Speaker 14: and I think they have shared values and how to
Speaker 14: build the team in a lot of ways. There's a
Speaker 14: blank canvas down there, a really good young quarterback, an
Speaker 14: elite defensive player playing defensive line for him. So he's awesome,
Speaker 14: and it was it was just fun talking ball and
Speaker 14: sharing your vision for what the team can be, and
Speaker 14: a really good experience.
Speaker 2: Talking to Jason Garrett NBC Football Night in America studio analyst.
Speaker 2: If you're coaching the Broncos, how do you use Jared
Speaker 2: Stidham And are you using him in a way that
Speaker 2: you are not wouldn't be using bow knicks, you know.
Speaker 14: I think Sean will do a great job with him.
Speaker 14: I played for Sean for three years. I think one
Speaker 14: of his great traits is creating a comfortable environment for quarterbacks,
Speaker 14: and I.
Speaker 4: Think he'll do that.
Speaker 14: I think Stidham's skill set is actually pretty similar to
Speaker 14: bo Knix's. They both do a good job with movement plays,
Speaker 14: play action type stuff.
Speaker 4: Certainly capable for throwing the ball from the pocket.
Speaker 16: You know.
Speaker 14: The concern is Jared Stidham has started four games in
Speaker 14: the NFL, so he does not have that much experience.
Speaker 14: So even though he's played in the NFL for a while,
Speaker 14: he hasn't taken these game snaps, certainly not in the
Speaker 14: AFC Championship game. So I think Sean will have that
Speaker 14: in the forefront of his mind. He'll get them comfortable
Speaker 14: in the game. Run the ball, movement plays, screens, those
Speaker 14: kinds of things, get them some completion.
Speaker 4: You know, the guys at NBC hear me say this
Speaker 4: all the time.
Speaker 14: Get them five completions before he even knows he's out there,
Speaker 14: you know. And I think that's a big thing. As
Speaker 14: a coordinator, that's always what you're trying to do for
Speaker 14: your quarterbacks, certainly in big moments like this. So I
Speaker 14: think their skill sets are the same. I don't think
Speaker 14: they'll have to change that much. But I think Sean
Speaker 14: will be mindful of how much he hasn't played. I
Speaker 14: think he'll try to get them comfortable.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering about these coaching vacancies, the pressure. I mean,
Speaker 2: normally you don't have, you know, playoff teams, changing coaches.
Speaker 2: You go into Buffalo, you're expected to go to the
Speaker 2: AFC title game. I'm guessing you go to Baltimore, you're
Speaker 2: expected to go to the AFC title game. You go
Speaker 2: into Pittsburgh, you're expected to make the playoffs. This is
Speaker 2: in Arizona. This isn't Tennessee. This is in Cleveland. I
Speaker 2: can't remember where you had vacancies where the pressure was this,
Speaker 2: you know, ratcheted this high.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no doubt.
Speaker 14: And those are really good coaches who had coached for
Speaker 14: a long time and build amazing programs and to replace
Speaker 14: those guys. Uh, and then you know, like you said,
Speaker 14: ratchet it up, take it to the next level. Those
Speaker 14: are not easy things to do. I do think they're
Speaker 14: really good organizations. Steelers is a great organization, Raven's great organization,
Speaker 14: So Buffalo really good organization. So I do think that
Speaker 14: they have some things in place there that you like
Speaker 14: in all those spots. There's no question about that for me.
Speaker 14: You know. The other thing, you know, some of those
Speaker 14: teams that have not been as good. You know, all
Speaker 14: of a sudden, you're looking at what Mike Vrabel did
Speaker 14: in New England. Hey they won four they won four
Speaker 14: games last year and then the AFC Championship game. So
Speaker 14: all of a sudden, there's an expectation there that you're
Speaker 14: supposed to flip it around in year one, and I
Speaker 14: think ownership in those spots needs to be careful. I
Speaker 14: think those are exceptions go back in the history of football.
Speaker 14: It's hard to turn things around. And then even if
Speaker 14: you look at a team like Washington, dan Quinn did
Speaker 14: such an amazing job in year one and now that
Speaker 14: they've kind of fallen back to the mean, if you will,
Speaker 14: So I think you want to build it the right
Speaker 14: way regards of where you're coming from, and if you
Speaker 14: go into those places, you got to be careful about
Speaker 14: trying to copy the guy who was there before. You
Speaker 14: better be yourself. I think a lot of mistakes are
Speaker 14: made when guys try to copy what's been there. Be
Speaker 14: yourself and get yourself going.
Speaker 2: It feels like we're not going to give Seattle credit
Speaker 2: until we see Seattle winning a super Bowl. Like it
Speaker 2: just felt like regular season, Okay, I mean toughest division,
Speaker 2: and it almost feels like people are rooting for the
Speaker 2: Rams because the Rams look like, you know, hey, I
Speaker 2: got Stafford there, and I got Pookainakua and Sean McVay. Like,
Speaker 2: Seattle's just played great football. I just don't know if
Speaker 2: we've acknowledged the great football that they played from start
Speaker 2: to finish.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Seattle was really really good. Middle of the year.
Speaker 14: I went out there and I interviewed Sam Darnold and
Speaker 14: got a chance to spend the day there watch practice,
Speaker 14: be around the meetings and walk throughs and stuff, and
Speaker 14: I just love I just love everything about their team.
Speaker 14: I think they've built it the right way again, created
Speaker 14: a great environment for their quarterback. Jsn is an elite
Speaker 14: player on offense. But for me, you know what separates
Speaker 14: them as their defense on all three levels. These guys
Speaker 14: are really really good, and I think they're head coach
Speaker 14: and defensive genius. Mike McDonald is fantastic, and you know,
Speaker 14: I have a good story about him. I've gotten to
Speaker 14: know him a little bit over the last couple of years.
Speaker 4: And so we're.
Speaker 14: Talking about, you know, building, you know, everyone talks about
Speaker 14: building culture and all of that. I said, you've done
Speaker 14: an amazing job here And I said, you know, what
Speaker 14: have you done?
Speaker 4: And he was so honest and humble. He said, last
Speaker 4: year I had no idea.
Speaker 2: What I was doing.
Speaker 4: He said, I have no idea. You kind of dive
Speaker 4: into it and you just are reeling.
Speaker 14: But he said, after after the season, he got a
Speaker 14: chance to sit down and really think about what you
Speaker 14: want to build here. And you know, Pete Carroll had
Speaker 14: done a great job building a certain culture there and
Speaker 14: and and I asked him, I said, hey, is this
Speaker 14: just like you, you know, trying to replicate what happened
Speaker 14: in Baltimore, that that's your experience. And he said, yeah,
Speaker 14: in some ways, because I was there for so long.
Speaker 14: But he said, I also pulled back and said, you know,
Speaker 14: this has to be our culture in the environment we create.
Speaker 14: So keeping some of the good stuff from Pete Carroll absolutely,
Speaker 14: some of the stuff from the Ravens absolutely, some of
Speaker 14: the stuff from our players and coaches, things that they
Speaker 14: think are important.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And then at the end of it, he says,
Speaker 4: you know, if.
Speaker 14: The coach was all about my personality, we'd be really boring.
Speaker 4: So we don't. We don't want to be that, you know.
Speaker 14: And so to me, he's so he's so good at
Speaker 14: what he does, but he's so humble, and I think
Speaker 14: what he's created there and what they've created there, John
Speaker 14: Schneider a great job, but the person well, I love
Speaker 14: their team.
Speaker 2: Jace, good to talk to you again, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, enjoy the game this weekend.
Speaker 2: That's Jason Garrett, NBC Football Night in America studio analyst. Well,
Speaker 2: they may have taken on Mike McDonald's personality. They're kind
Speaker 2: of boring, but they're boringly great. I think any of
Speaker 2: these other teams would say, we'll take on that personality.
Speaker 2: We're fine with that. We'll take a break. More of
Speaker 2: your phone calls, more of your misery. We're back after this.
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Speaker 2: Reggie Miller in a half hour from now. Golden State
Speaker 2: Warriors without Jimmy Butler the rest of the season, and
Speaker 2: you start to wonder, are the Warriors kind of morphing
Speaker 2: into the Lakers the last couple of years with Kobe Bryant,
Speaker 2: where it was we're not going to be threatening, but
Speaker 2: come on out and watch Kobe end his career. Steph
Speaker 2: Curry is still playing at a pretty high level at
Speaker 2: thirty seven. Now they're trying to maybe send Jonathan kaminga
Speaker 2: who I think has been rumored to be traded the
Speaker 2: last two years now might be traded so they can
Speaker 2: get somebody. But they're gonna they're not gonna get somebody young.
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to get somebody older. And they're talking
Speaker 2: about maybe Damar rote DeRozan, which okay, I mean, that's
Speaker 2: that's that's okay. They're talking now once again, there's these opportunities.
Speaker 2: Maybe they could bring back Klay Thompson. That's a possibility.
Speaker 2: Dallas is interested in Jonathan KAMINGA. But for Steph Curry,
Speaker 2: what do you got two more years? Maybe maybe a
Speaker 2: third because I can't see him going from being the
Speaker 2: focal point to them just being maybe the way Lebron
Speaker 2: is with the Lakers now, maybe he can be that
Speaker 2: where You're like, well, I'll be your third option. I'd
Speaker 2: like to see what the other two options are, because
Speaker 2: I don't know how you're gonna find somebody who's still
Speaker 2: going to be better than Steph Curry. So we'll talk
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Speaker 2: should be. Tyler in Utah, Hi, ty what's on your mind?
Speaker 12: Oh? Just first time caller? Uh six?
Speaker 6: Just bringing back misery?
Speaker 17: Was at the two thousand and seven Wild Card Game
Speaker 17: Dallas in Seattle and Romo Bubble jew.
Speaker 7: Less than two minutes left.
Speaker 12: Oh, Jason Garrett didn't bring that one up, but that
Speaker 12: one hurts well.
Speaker 2: He wasn't part of the team. I asked him about
Speaker 2: when he was coaching the Cowboys. He wasn't there and
Speaker 2: Romo watched the field goal snap and then tried to
Speaker 2: run it in. You still go back to that des
Speaker 2: Bryant play. It is fascinating that they didn't think that
Speaker 2: it was he was making football a football move. He
Speaker 2: made football moves. I bizarre, bizarre, and that you know
Speaker 2: you overturn that so it's called to catch on the field,
Speaker 2: and then they overturned it like there's certain times when
Speaker 2: you say they're not going to overturn that, that when
Speaker 2: they did. But I still think, you know, the embarrassing
Speaker 2: one for the NFL was Calvin Johnson when he scores
Speaker 2: that touchdown and that opened the door, That opened the
Speaker 2: door to interpretation. Did you complete the process? I wonder
Speaker 2: how the NFL would have been affected with today's rules
Speaker 2: catch not a catch, complete the process? All of that?
Speaker 2: What would how would they have ruled with Franco Harris
Speaker 2: with the immaculate reception? Did it hit the ground? Did
Speaker 2: it hit another player? I don't know if the call
Speaker 2: on the field was do you overturn it? Like down
Speaker 2: through history there have been plays where you know, now
Speaker 2: you look back and you go man would they have
Speaker 2: called that a catch?
Speaker 3: Yes, Well, if that happened now you would know if
Speaker 3: it was a catch or not. There wouldn't really be
Speaker 3: any debate. Like look at the Julian Edelman catch against
Speaker 3: the Falcons. You were able to see because of video
Speaker 3: that that was only like half an inch off the ground.
Speaker 2: So it was a good catch. Yeah, but we still
Speaker 2: don't know if the ball didn't hit another stealer like
Speaker 2: there was the ricochet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if it was modern day you would probably
Speaker 3: be able to tell that more based on the number
Speaker 3: of cameras and the quality of cameras, there wouldn't be
Speaker 3: as much of a debate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even now when we look at it, you still
Speaker 2: can't tell. But that was standard definition. Let's see Grant
Speaker 2: and Charlotte H. Grant, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 12: Well, it's up DP all right. Being a Panthers fan,
Speaker 12: I got two for you. So two thousand and four
Speaker 12: Super Bowl I was eleven. John Casey kicks the ball
Speaker 12: out of bounds on the kickoff against the Patriots, giving
Speaker 12: them giving it to him on the forty Adam minitary
Speaker 12: easy field goal for the wind That was a heartbreaker.
Speaker 12: And then cam in twenty sixteen. Not diving on the ball,
Speaker 12: not diving on the fumble. That's become me worthy.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Grant. I don't think it would have mattered
Speaker 2: against Denver, but you're right, that ball was just kind
Speaker 2: of there and Cam didn't jump on it. Uh, Sam
Speaker 2: and Colorado? Hey Sam, Hey.
Speaker 16: Dan, and you guys, second time, long time, long suffering
Speaker 16: bite Kings fan.
Speaker 2: So this one still stings.
Speaker 16: Back in ninety eight, we had Randall Cunningham just winding
Speaker 16: up and chucking it down the field to the life
Speaker 16: of Randy Moss and Chris Carter. We had Johnny Randall
Speaker 16: playing d end, one of the baddest little guys ever
Speaker 16: to play the position. And then we had the infamous
Speaker 16: Gary Anderson had not missed any field goals all year.
Speaker 16: We are about to go to the Super Bowl, and
Speaker 16: Gary Anderson decides to, Yeah, you know what, in the bed.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if he decided to. I think
Speaker 2: it just happened that way, but I get what you're
Speaker 2: you're laying down there, Sam had. Vikings team was good.
Speaker 2: They were really good. Well, they'd lose one game that year.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Pully, that ninety eight Vikings team, Randall Cunningham prime
Speaker 5: Chris Carter, Randy Moss reed the running back Robert Smith
Speaker 5: breakout season.
Speaker 10: Wow. Yes, Marv and the Broncos were like, man, we
Speaker 10: got a tough game. Probably going to face the Vikings.
Speaker 10: Oh we have the Falcons all right.
Speaker 2: Rich in California, Hi Rich.
Speaker 13: Good morning, Dan and crew.
Speaker 17: Thanks so much to take my call.
Speaker 4: Appreciate it.
Speaker 7: YEP.
Speaker 17: I grew up about thirty minutes east of Oakland, Big
Speaker 17: Raider fan and the Heyday Warriors fan. As fan went
Speaker 17: in three state World Series and can't forget the Oakland Seals.
Speaker 4: But the.
Speaker 17: Moment that haunts me is one of the most famous,
Speaker 17: the Immaculate Reception, And obviously there isn't great film on that.
Speaker 17: But our daughter and husband live in Pittsburgh, and every
Speaker 17: time I fly in the PITTSFORGH Airport, I have to
Speaker 17: look at that stupid statue of Frank o'herris bent over
Speaker 17: catching the ball. And the problem with the statue is
Speaker 17: the ball was off the ground.
Speaker 2: It was not off the ground.
Speaker 17: They did it correctly, that ball would be on the
Speaker 17: ground with his hands.
Speaker 2: That stupid statue. This is going to be a haunting
Speaker 2: day for people as they get into that bad mood.
Speaker 2: And their wife goes, why are you in a bad mood?
Speaker 2: Dan Patrick asked me to call in and talk about
Speaker 2: all the painful moments that I've had. Oh, I could
Speaker 2: see where you're coming into the airport and there's Franco.
Speaker 2: But Tony Dungee told me a story. I've mentioned it
Speaker 2: to you before, just to reiterate. When Tony was with
Speaker 2: the Steelers as a defensive back and then as a coach.
Speaker 2: He said that Franco Harris on every play when they practiced,
Speaker 2: ran all the way to the end zone, like if
Speaker 2: you gave him the football and it was, you know,
Speaker 2: going through the line of scrimmage. In his practice, he ran.
Speaker 2: He always ran. He never quit on a play. Well,
Speaker 2: because of that, Franco doesn't quit on that play. The
Speaker 2: vault wasn't supposed to go to him. Ricochet and then
Speaker 2: it goes to Franco and he runs in for the touchdown.
Speaker 2: It's like Malcolm Butler did what Bill Belichick told him
Speaker 2: to do in practice. When you see this go right
Speaker 2: towards the ball, right towards the receiver, and he came
Speaker 2: up with perhaps the biggest play in the history of
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Reggie Miller will join us. What's next
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