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Speaker 1: And That's what You Really Missed with Jenna and Kevin

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Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast. Welcome to and That's What You Really

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Speaker 1: Missed podcast. It's guest time. I'm Kevin M. Today we

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Speaker 1: have sorry, I'm just excited. Today we have the og

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Speaker 1: head of the entire makeup department on Glee, Aaron Krueger

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Speaker 1: mcsh She is so good, so talented, was sort of

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Speaker 1: like a parent to us or like a like an

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Speaker 1: older sibling to us on the set. Yeah, and put

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Speaker 1: together an incredible crew of makeup artists that were there

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Speaker 1: for almost the entire run of the series the show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and get to talk to her because she's also just

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Speaker 1: gone on to do incredible, incredible things since Glee, I

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Speaker 1: mean wild incredible things, and as she should. She's the

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Speaker 1: most the coolest person to work with, so talented, so normal,

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Speaker 1: so awesome. And also makeup is such a particular um

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Speaker 1: thing for actors in particular and for us, like they

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Speaker 1: are kind of like the liaison. They're like your advocates

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Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, or at least they were

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Speaker 1: for us only because we were so young. We talked

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Speaker 1: about that a little bit, but um, they're there with

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Speaker 1: us the first thing in the morning, throughout the whole day,

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Speaker 1: and you're like your buddy. Um, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: them have stayed friends. We've stayed friends with so um.

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Speaker 1: We're just so grateful to have Aaron here. Should we

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Speaker 1: get to it, let's do it. Here's Aaron. Aaron Krigger. Hello, welcome.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to see you guy, so happy to

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Speaker 1: see you. Thanks for doing this, thanks for being You're honored.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to deal. We're in the presence of makeup Royalty.

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Speaker 1: I mean, truly you are. Come on, I mean, let's

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Speaker 1: let's be gross. You're probably gonna be embarrassed. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how many Emmys have you won? Eight but remember, yes,

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Speaker 1: I was had one any so I was like, and

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Speaker 1: you had twenty eight or something, but it's like thirty nine.

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Speaker 1: But it's it's one of those things like I was

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Speaker 1: just happy to get to go to the party that

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Speaker 1: people were still kind of like going like, yeah, you're nominated.

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Speaker 1: I was like, Hey, it's gonna be so fun. Like

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Speaker 1: I never had any kind of like felt like I

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Speaker 1: just so stoked that my peers were going, yeah, good work,

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Speaker 1: thumbs up. So it's true. You never like talked about it,

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Speaker 1: and I think maybe like Kelly or somebody's one that

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Speaker 1: not like I have been nominated X amount of times

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Speaker 1: get to go to this party, right, absolutely? Yeah. It

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Speaker 1: was so I mean to get to go to the

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Speaker 1: party and you know, get dressed up and be with

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Speaker 1: your friends. It was so cool. And there's a moment

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Speaker 1: like when they're like announcing your category and you're look, oh,

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Speaker 1: and then and then and it goes to you know,

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Speaker 1: Buffy or whatever the show is, you're our car track

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Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, well, you know, moving on, like

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Speaker 1: am out of time. It's just like you're kind of like, ooh,

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Speaker 1: when you win, though, I have to say, is it

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Speaker 1: walk us through that the first time you won? What happened?

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Speaker 1: What was it? And what was it for? It was

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Speaker 1: for Ryan's um movie. Um uh, the Normal Heart was

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Speaker 1: super cool. People have said to me, like you can

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Speaker 1: It is the coolest thing ever. So it is really cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Aaron was the head of makeup Key Makeup on Glee

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Speaker 1: You're the first, yeah, really in the grocery, like, please

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Speaker 1: cover all these pimples in my dry skin. Um, and

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Speaker 1: So it's definitely, Ah, you know, I don't even know

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Speaker 1: if it's more than hair because hair's a lot of

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Speaker 1: Well on paper is supposed to take eight days and

427
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: ten days, but yeah, I took I think it was

428
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: well into the twenties. So we were in those looks

429
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: and then their varying degrees of those looks because there

430
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: were some scenes where they were just partially on m H.

431
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: We had to get ready seeing we have I remember

432
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: seeing pictures. It'll come up on your phone. You're only

433
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, um the I know that it was

434
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: at We did it at Paramount. Maybe a couple of times.

435
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 1: We did it in Long Beach times, I think, but yeah,

436
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 1: it was at least four or five times. You guys

437
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: wore the were of that stuff. But it was for

438
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: such an extended period of time too. Yeah. You know

439
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: what's funny is that the guy who who he wasn't there,

440
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: but the guy who originally who created the thriller look

441
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 1: had kids that were huge Glee fans who are now

442
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: like you know, thirty one, thirty two. Yeah, And I

443
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 1: used to work for him, Rick Baker, years ago, like

444
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: in the Meaties thrillans too, and I had I was

445
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: at an event and he came running over to me

446
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: and he said, I heard you. I heard you doing

447
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 1: a Glee thriller tribute episode I or you did one

448
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: or something and I said, I said, yeah, he goes.

449
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: My girls are huge, huge, huge, huge Glee fans, and

450
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: I was and became because of that, we've become like

451
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: super good friends and and again like as adults though,

452
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: because before I used to work for me. He's my

453
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: boss and he's a power, which is fun. I started

454
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,479
Speaker 1: with started back with Glee, and I was always kind

455
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: of like, uh yeah, we're grillery tranmute episode, I was

456
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: like all like nervous, like, oh god, but stuff looks

457
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: so good. I ended up buying one of the football

458
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: uniforms in auction, the Abby oh so cool, just to

459
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: kind of have because just for aum, just for like

460
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: a you know, a memento, and it's it's super cool.

461
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It was like some auction They were, you know,

462
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: as they like to like get rid of everything. So

463
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: oh yeah, for sure. The most episodes that felt like

464
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: when you're a kid and you dream of like going

465
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: to Hollywood, That to me was the epitome of I'm

466
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: getting to wear all this like special effects makeup and

467
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: like like when you were a kid playing make believe

468
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: like you. I was getting the most high end version

469
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: of that possible, and so I was like, if we're

470
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: doing this, I don't know if I'm ever going to

471
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to do this again, So like give

472
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 1: me a full face. That was my thinking. I was

473
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: just like a long time to do. It's about for

474
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: three hours. Oh my gosh. Every time, every time you

475
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: did it, three never came off like it. Of course

476
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: it didn't because it was like you know times you

477
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: know where you get like a little just from you know,

478
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: wear and tear, like little bits you have to touch up.

479
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: But like maybe because it was so cold outside, like

480
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:54,479
Speaker 1: nobody's it was sweaty inside the mask. Let me tell

481
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: you it smells so gross, you know. I remember like

482
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: cleaning it so that Melissa Bull worked on Melissa, Yeah,

483
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: of course. It was one of the first ones she

484
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: worked on that she'd never done prosthetics before, and I

485
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 1: was like, this is the perfect opportunity for you, come

486
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: on and let's just do it. And she was like, okay,

487
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: we wouldn't leave after that. She probably had therapy after

488
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 1: that too. Blend Queen builds the Blending Queen. Yeah, she's

489
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: amazing that new Tina look um, yeah, what what was

490
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: your feeling about the slushies? As I'm the makeup perspective,

491
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 1: we always we kind of like started having them be

492
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: kind of like a challenge of how fast we could

493
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: turn people back over, you know, like to reset them.

494
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: It was like a peah. I mean there's a lot

495
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: of stuff like that that you do in makeup that

496
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: you have to reset where you have to do it

497
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: really quickly like that. But I was always just so

498
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: m I never knew do they ever get warm or

499
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: were they always just cold, cold, freezing? I don't. I don't.

500
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: I feel like there was no reason for them to

501
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: be cold. I feel like there was like can you

502
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: use like silicone? They try to try. It didn't the same. Yeah,

503
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: it didn't look as good on camera. We haven't really

504
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: talked about the slushies must much on this this podcast,

505
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: but when you would get slushied, we'd probably do it

506
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: well what two maybe two maybe three times at the most. Yeah,

507
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: but you couldn't move right after you got slushy. They

508
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: called cut and you couldn't touch your face because they

509
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: needed to get photos for continuity, and a lot of

510
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 1: the time that was makeup taking those photos, right, so

511
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: you guys had all these continuity photos of us, like

512
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: and right after we had gotten slushied with like our

513
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: ugly mugs, just like scorned and burned with cold slushies.

514
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: But they would be like my eyes, my eyes, so

515
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: you like don't touch it don't move, and then everybody

516
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: runs in had to do it again. It was the

517
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: end of the day. You guys would bring us nice, warm,

518
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: warm wash cloths to like wash our faces with, which

519
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: was very nice. Yeah, yeah, but still it was always

520
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: like oh God, like what you know, or somebody didn't

521
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: aim correctly. It was worse, just a little bit. You'd

522
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: have to like redo it. How did you know about

523
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: the shaving cream to get like the red that's right,

524
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: like we'd be rubbed down a shaving cream actuel, Like,

525
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm trying to think of who told

526
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: me that. It was probably someone like Michael Westmore or

527
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: somebody that's that had been doing it for a really

528
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: long time like that would take this and the stain

529
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: off of for fake blood. That's how it came off.

530
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: And then because it has a similar kind of dye

531
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: to it, I was like, oh, it'll take this, it'll

532
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,239
Speaker 1: take the slushy off too. So but I remember you

533
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: guys coming in afterward, and even though we'd reset your

534
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: face and hair on set, you wouldn't necessarily get your

535
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: body reset on set Avatar the trailer and be like

536
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: just stained. All of this makes me think of like

537
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: you must not get grossed out by much because you

538
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: have to like be close to people. Intimately, nothing grosses

539
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: me out in person. But I don't know if you

540
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: guys are watching The Last of Us, but there was

541
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: an episode and Mike and I got to the work

542
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: on that last year, which was so crazy. We did five,

543
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: which was the Clickers Come Out of the Ground. Yes,

544
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: we were there for like we was like all those

545
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: nights that like Cold de Sac It's like and everything

546
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: was crazy, oh so much fun. How it was the

547
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: seventh episode where Joel is like being people up. Sorry yep, yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep.

548
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: I was so grossed out. I don't know why. I

549
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: don't know why. It just like it was so disturbing

550
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: to me. So sometimes I'll watch stuff and it'll bother

551
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: me watching it when I'm not part of it. But

552
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: for the most part, being um, being on step for

553
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: stuff doesn't really I'm more like I wanted to look

554
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: realistic or I wanted to look correct or yeah yeah, yeah,

555
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: So that doesn't really bother me. And like body parts,

556
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: like you know, putting sometimes you have to put like um,

557
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, intimacy covers on for sex scenes. Or any

558
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: of that kind of stuff. That is I had done

559
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: it Tuck and that was a whole so much sex

560
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: on that right, So you'd be like, Hi, I'm erin,

561
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put this glue this um in there

562
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: you go bird cover your parts shows it's always right, right,

563
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: It's like certain shows that you get certain things where

564
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: you're seeing people's parts and I don't know, it just

565
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: doesn't like it's never been andustry, it's ever been like

566
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: a thing. It's just kind of it's just kind of

567
00:30:50,040 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: part of the job. So you did the Last of

568
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: Us a little bit, just a little I was on

569
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: a team. We were on a team. Yeah, but you

570
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: still get to experience that crazy craziness. And then before that,

571
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: do you do the Fableman's last year or the year before?

572
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: Whenever I did? I did the Fableman's in UM twenty

573
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: twenty one, Wow, we went, I was up. I prepped

574
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: that in April and then we shot in June till

575
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: October Wow in Los Angeles, and so I had a

576
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: big prep on it, and um, it was you know,

577
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: obviously it was all time period. It was like, I

578
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys saw it or not, but

579
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: it's like nineteen fifty two to nineteen sixty five, right,

580
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: So it had a lot of different time period looks,

581
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: and Um and our other lead actor, Gable Belle wore

582
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: contacts the whole time and we did you know, there

583
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: were a couple of little like beat up scenes and

584
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: lots of little resets and a little bit of blood

585
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: work and you know, it's mostly just um. It was

586
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: very naturalists and lots of time. But it was an

587
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: incredible experience. Yeah, how was that? I mean, you've done

588
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: everything at this point, then you get to work with

589
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: like the epitome of the film, and I can't even

590
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: say it was a it was a dream of mine

591
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: to like work for Steven Stilber. It I can't even

592
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: say that it was a dream of mine. It was

593
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: so outer limits to me. Executive he was an executive

594
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: producer on separate films I worked on, but never worked

595
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: like directly for him. And Lewis Burwell, who was his

596
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: long time makeup artist, couldn't do the job. And so

597
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: I just got this phone call on my way to work.

598
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: I got this email that said I've got your name

599
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: from Lewis Burwell. I'm doing a project with great casting,

600
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: great director in Los Angeles and wanted to know your availability.

601
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: So I called her back. Her name was Carlo Roge.

602
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: She's amazing. And I called her back and we're chatting

603
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: on the phone. I'm driving to work and she said,

604
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: she says, oh, I'm sure you know this is a

605
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: Steven Spielberg film and I and I was so in

606
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: shock about it. I never been thought for a second,

607
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: why would Lois have me do? It was Spilburg film, right,

608
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: And I had to pull over and she goes, hello, Hello,

609
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: are you so here? And I said, oh, I'm here.

610
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,479
Speaker 1: I'm just completely in shock, like I'm totally and she's like, oh,

611
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: you've come recommended from Lois and I was, oh, my god.

612
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: Like Lewis is a very well known, very very successful

613
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: makeup artist and has done almost a lot of Steven's films.

614
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: So um, I just was in such shock about I'm

615
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: kind of still in shock about it. And that was

616
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: two years ago, so um and so I did you know,

617
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: I just I just uh, she just kept saying old

618
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: her on the phone. I'd say like, she's like, hold

619
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: your own hold drown it's a you know, it's like

620
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a really loud family on set,

621
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: like they're always arguing and like, just hold your own

622
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: I can do that. So a couple of times I

623
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: had to trying to stand up myself and that was

624
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: it was challenging. I And it was like in the

625
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: summertime in Los Angeles, which was super hot, and it

626
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: was I can feel like the sweat rolling down my

627
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: arms just like like, yes, I am a professional and

628
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: I know what I'm talking about. Um, it was it

629
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: was great. Pass it was amazing. We had a fantastic time.

630
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: Everyone was was lovely. It was it was super challenging.

631
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: And uh, but to see him get to do a

632
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: project that he was, um, I mean obviously don't know

633
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: the man, but to get to see him be so

634
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: thrilled with seeing his I mean not only his homes

635
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: come to life again. Right, all of that was all

636
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: based on his like ninety eight percent of it is

637
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: his life. So there's only like a little moments that

638
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Speaker 1: were part of the other writer's life. They kind of

639
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Speaker 1: threw mushle it up a little bit, but it was

640
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: it's all it says, you know, loosely based or like

641
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: semi auto biography autobiographic, but it's it's it is, it's

642
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: all him. Yeah yeah, so recreate all that is to

643
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: see him and to see him see his parents again. Wow. Yeah,

644
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: very moving, very moving. So I was I was really honored.

645
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: And the people that that run amblin are incredible and

646
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: my bosses were incredible. He was incredible. Wow. I was

647
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: really honored to get to be to get to be

648
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Speaker 1: part of that. So um, I had a great team

649
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, it was it was. It was a thrill.

650
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: It was a thrill. I just I'm still I'm still,

651
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm still surprised I was part of

652
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: that and very down to earth people considering the caliber people.

653
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Speaker 1: You know, That's what I was just have to say.

654
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: You know, you were saying you were shocked you got

655
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Speaker 1: asked to do it, But it's like you don't get

656
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: to the level that you are and get to work

657
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: with so many gigantic people, and when people do work

658
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: with you, they hold onto you because you're so good

659
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: at what you do and you're so easy to work with,

660
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: like you're just a good, nice person and you're so

661
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: talented and creative. You know, how many people do we

662
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: work with who are ship heads and they don't you know,

663
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: you don't build either. You're like going along like this

664
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Speaker 1: is great, and then you find out that you're like,

665
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: oh right, great after all sometimes comes up later like

666
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Speaker 1: they started to let their defenses down in your lips.

667
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Speaker 1: Oh happy person. I mean you said, you've been doing

668
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: this one for how many years? Thirty something, very sick

669
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Speaker 1: thirty six years and you're still getting to do You're

670
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: working with Steven Spielwerk and so. And then before that,

671
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, I got to work with I did this

672
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: movie I Held Billy Elogy, which I ended up getting

673
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: a combination for, which was another thing that was just

674
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: like you're on a roll. You know, anything you touch,

675
00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: like the rest of us the biggest I mean, I

676
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: don't know about that. But it's been, it's been. It's

677
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: been lovely. I mean it's been so it's like so

678
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: surprising because like Hillbillyology ended up being kind of handed

679
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: to me as well, because it was a true sho

680
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: I'd worked with years ago. Um As my dad says,

681
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: never burn any prodiges. You never know when you're going

682
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: to need him again. Well, you can burn a couple

683
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: you're never going to go back to, right. But but

684
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: it was somebody that I worked with years ago, like

685
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: so many years ago, and then um, a friend of

686
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: mine was Amy Personal for a long time and she

687
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: couldn't do that film. So it just kind of was

688
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: like this phone call and it was like, Hey, we're

689
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: doing this project and Glent Glent close and prosthetics and

690
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: Amy Adams and I was like, oh wow, that sounds amazing.

691
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, I can't really did some prospects on Amy

692
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: and you know, just like designed those and off to

693
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: the races. It was. It was crazy. So um that

694
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: was really fun too. It was just really fun, amazing project.

695
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: And sometimes I think that it seems like sometimes when

696
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: you get higher up with like the top people, there

697
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: seems to be a groovness. Maybe it's their age, you know,

698
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: like there, you know, people a little closer to seventy

699
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: are that kind of hip. They grew up in kind

700
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: of like a hippie area in time period. My parents

701
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: were like in their twenties in the late sixties and

702
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: early seventies, but like people that were teenagers then, you know,

703
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: they maybe just have a little bit more like I

704
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: treat people nicely, you know, or the communicators or I

705
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: don't know, the affected by all of the other stuff,

706
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: they've been treated badly and know that's not a good

707
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: way to do it. So I just feel like, really

708
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: been lucky that I've been working for people that that

709
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: are I don't know, just like really have it together,

710
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: and you never people that have they have the same

711
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: group like forever too. So, um, that's nice to do.

712
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: It's really super cool. Yeah, yeah, I'm super super excited

713
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: about all that. So what good? I mean, I'm crushing it.

714
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: It's been good. Couldn't happen? Kind of amazing. Um, sint

715
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: you worked on so much? What would you say? Do

716
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: you have a favorite? Oh? I mean, there's there's moments

717
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: of everything of each show that I really enjoyed working on.

718
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: Like there's a season of American Corner Stories. One of

719
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: my favorites as Asylum, which was the second season but

720
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: I loved I loved so much, Auditive was I loved

721
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: it so as as Popular, but like the Cult season

722
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: was one of my favorites. I love growing Up. There's

723
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: each one of them has a good different vibe, which

724
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: was one of the reasons why I loved working on

725
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: that show so much, is because every year was something

726
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: different and really appealed to my uh you know like

727
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: really like you're like I can do this for like

728
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: you know, five and then you're onto something else. Yeah. So, um,

729
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: I love loved that part of it. Um. I mean,

730
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: I loved creating a lot of stuff for Glee. Um.

731
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: I love to do a lot of the film work

732
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: I've been doing has been really fun um lately. Um,

733
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: and I always trying to find something that I love

734
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: out of each project I work on, because I think

735
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: that's the point is if you if you're if you're miserable,

736
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: you know on something that it's time to it's time

737
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: to move on. And it's uh, it's but there's there

738
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: was so much creativity on Glee. I just I mean,

739
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: I loved it. It was that part of it was, Um,

740
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: it was amazing. Um. I know though that you guys worked.

741
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 1: I've never seen anybody work harder than you guys. It's

742
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: it's just, I mean, it was just I was sometimes

743
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 1: I was coming well maybe a little maybe a little break. Yeah,

744
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: you're good about that. When you take a little break

745
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: and you can do something on your own, make your

746
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: own food, or take a little vacation or whatever, you

747
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: come back a little different right, really important because your

748
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: creativity comes back, and like that's why I'm able to

749
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: be with you guys today because I'm day playing right

750
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: now and so you have to kind of switch it

751
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: up a lot to like make sure that you bring

752
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: reboots and it's the next job. So um, that's what

753
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm working on Santa Clauses too right now, which is

754
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: really fun, amazing. Yeah, it good show. I love I

755
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: love the movies anyways, but the show is really cute.

756
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: So it's just important too. I mean think going forward

757
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: is having you know, you always have to have like

758
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: a little a little moment, and I just always remember

759
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: you guys just never have had that, and and I'm

760
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: always I was always like, it just always broke my

761
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: heart that you guys never had any time to like

762
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 1: enjoy any of it or or a reset or anything

763
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: because you worked so so hard through lunches and after

764
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, wrapped and weekend high. Oh god, it's true.

765
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: It's true. We felt very especially the makeup department because

766
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: the hair department changed out quite a lot. Yeah, but

767
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 1: our makeup crew stas the Dark Arts. The the makeup

768
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: crew was always the same, and like even when you left,

769
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: we still had all the same. It was your people

770
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: that you had put on right, so we always felt

771
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: very like protected and secure with your entire department, and

772
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: you guys would check in check in with us as well,

773
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: And I think that's why we also felt so attached

774
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: still to this day to all of you guys, because

775
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: you were on the level you know, we're exactly what

776
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: you're saying now. We could feel that like you guys

777
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: are right, like speak up if you need to, like

778
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: it was, and then you need people like that because

779
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: we were all very very green, young and to have

780
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: like freshly hatched, didn't feel like we had voices to

781
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: speak up or could say anything or knew that we could,

782
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: you know. And there's also something intimate about like where

783
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: the makeup and hair trailer was at base Camp two,

784
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: which is where we all were, is separate from where

785
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: everybody else is like the rest of the crew, and

786
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: like Ryan and Brad and Ian whenever they would come visit,

787
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: like no one ever really came to base camp like

788
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: that was our place. It was hair and makeup in

789
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: the casts where we could sort of just like n

790
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: hang out and therapies. Right um, before we let you go,

791
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: we ask all of our Glee people. What is the

792
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: feeling a word anything that Glee Lee left you with

793
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: overall experience? M hm. I mean there was definitely creativity,

794
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: resilience ms AT is a big one. Being resilient, um,

795
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: I think is is a is a you know, it's

796
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: also you know, I mean there's there was so much creativity,

797
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 1: but a lot of it was I think just being

798
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: resilient too, you know, bouncing back through especially after the

799
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: show wrapped. I mean, so many things have happened, and

800
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: just you know, coming through that and surviving all of

801
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: that is really a big deal. So I think even

802
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: even during definitely during it, but definitely after, I think

803
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: resilience is is. I think it really brought a lot

804
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: of people closer together the going experience of being ugly.

805
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people realize how how well,

806
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: how special it was, but also how incredibly hard it was,

807
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: um uh mentally and physically and everything. So I just

808
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: I commend all of you for for all of your successes,

809
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: you know, postly because it's it was. It's a really

810
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: big deal and I'm so proud of you guys. We're

811
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: proud of you. Yeah, I mean, we love to see

812
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: things I watched and then we're like each other. Yeah, forever,

813
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: everybody's biggest fans. Thanks Aaron Bye. That she's a gem,

814
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: isn't she. I'm pissed we forgot to mention. Aaron and

815
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: her husband throw like the craziest Halloween parties, like dead

816
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: fake mannequin, dead bodies, out front skeletons. They do the

817
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: whole They go to the whole nine and obviously they

818
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: do professional makeup. A lot of their friends do professional makeup,

819
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: so everybody shows up in the craziest, most extravagant professionally

820
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: done like horror makeup. We went a couple of times

821
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: as a cast. I remember we rolled up in a

822
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: party bus and we were the characters from Rugrats. We

823
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: had a playpin. I was in a stroller with a

824
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: bottlefield of I didn't make it that year, but you

825
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: guys did it. You guys did it. Was remember the

826
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: first year we like made makeshift outfits at her parties,

827
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: but her parties were always like something to look forward

828
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: to when you're you were the gingerbread man. That's right,

829
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: it was the best. She's the best. Yes, She and

830
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: her husband Mike or like family, so and they talk

831
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: to her so awesome. It was nice to have her

832
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: here and nice to have our crew of peeps that

833
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: came back to chat with us. And you know, next

834
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: time you watch episode five of the Last of Us

835
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,959
Speaker 1: or go watch the Fambleman's think of her, she's compassed. Yes,

836
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Come back next week.

837
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Speaker 1: That's what you really missed. Bye, Thanks for listening, and

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00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,279
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00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,480
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