1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,399 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Fucky 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 2: Rhett with you? Buck uh Rtt does have you gear on? 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: So we are officially ready to start. 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 3: We're having a conversation DJ. I was trying to figure 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 3: out why in twenty twenty five the Indiana Hoosias, who 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 3: I've always known him as the Hoosiers, suddenly have a 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 3: new mascot or. 9 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: Running verd was just bringing him back. The bison went 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: into hibernation and he was awakened by Kurt Signett's twenty 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: twenty four season, and he's back now, jumped out of 12 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: a skydiving out of a plane into the stadium. So 13 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: two and oh, ready to go? Three and oh this Friday. 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: And then we get Illinois. 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 3: Does he have a name? Her? 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: Who's your the Bison? 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm so confused. That's okay? Are there bisons? That 18 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 3: that bison that just run around on the planes of. 19 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: Nobody? 20 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 3: I understand, app state meltain Neer like I kind of 21 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 3: get that. 22 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, you'll get used to it. 23 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 2: By the way, if you're listening to this Monday, we 24 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: did our first Baldy episode. So it's a nice little 25 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: tape breakdown, So I encourage if you haven't checked out, 26 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: go back and listen to that. Uh. In that episode, 27 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: we hit a bunch of games, but we couldn't hit 28 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: all of them, and we promised we would clean some 29 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: of those up today, So we're going to do that. 30 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: We'll hit on it again. Not gonna be long, but 31 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: we'll touch on some of the other games we did 32 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 2: not mention, as well as as what we saw last night. 33 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 2: So it's literally like the missing games and the Monday 34 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: Night recap. That's going to be kind of the flow 35 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: in the field for these Tuesday episodes as we continue 36 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: to expand what we're doing. And we'll have tomorrow's episode 37 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: on our So Wednesdays will be Rookie Draft. I know 38 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: Thursdays will have a guest every Thursday. I believe we've 39 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: got our buddy Mike Matt coming on Thursday, so and 40 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: then we'll have some previous stuff head the game. So 41 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: a lot of different things come on your way. But 42 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: let's start first of all, Monday Night Gosh talk about 43 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: like a tail of two games, like two totally different games, 44 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 2: especially if looking at it from the Chicago side of things, 45 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: what they look like early and then they kind of collapse, 46 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 2: especially offensively. And then JJ McCarthy, I was on I've 47 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: opened up social media while the game was on, and 48 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 2: he was I mean, he was bench buried, crucified, all 49 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: of it. And then all of a sudden, that narrative 50 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: flip real quick. Buck, I'll hit you up on this one. First, 51 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: go where you want to go. But what's your takeaway 52 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: from that ballgame? 53 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 3: My takeaway is I get it now. I get why 54 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 3: Jim Harborough has been so effusive in his praise over 55 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy over the past few years. I've never heard 56 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh be so supportive of a quarterback that wasn't 57 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: his quarterback, even though it was his quarterback at Michigan. Like, 58 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: whether it's on TV, our network, anybody that would listen, 59 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 3: he was always super positive about McCarthy was going to 60 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 3: be special in the league. And what I would say 61 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: is like, not that the performance was remarkable in any 62 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 3: way based on the numbers, but what I will say 63 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 3: is I saw a quarterback who certainly had the qualities 64 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 3: and the characteristics that you look for as a franchise quarterback. 65 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 3: His ability to bounce back from a very difficult first 66 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 3: three quarters pick six. They kind of had him handcuffed, 67 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 3: and then in the fourth quarter it was like he 68 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: was the magical playmaker that would make plays when Michigan 69 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 3: needed it in the clutch. And his athleticism, his passing 70 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 3: and ability, his overall calm and moxie, all of those 71 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: things fit well. And as he got more comfortable, you 72 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: could see why Kevin O'Connell had a clear vision for 73 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 3: how he's going to play. It's gonna be fun to 74 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: watch him continue to grow. But man, I get it. 75 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 3: I understand why Harball was all in on the JJ 76 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 3: McCarthy experience. 77 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: Six of eight in the fourth quarter for two touchdowns 78 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: and the two incompletions. One was a bad at ball, 79 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: one was a drop and like he was before that, 80 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: it was ugly. The numbers were bad. I think he 81 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: had more yards thrown in the in the fourth quarter 82 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: than he did the entire first three quarters combined. Like 83 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: that's how bad it was through through the first forty 84 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: five minutes. But yeah, stayed with it, and then you know, 85 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: I think maybe you make too much of this stuff, 86 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: But man, you see the locker room afterwards, just love 87 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: on that dude and get fired up for that guy. 88 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: I mean, like, you got to make it his first start, 89 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: you know, obviously ran into some bumps in a road, 90 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,119 Speaker 1: stayed with it, stayed focused, and stayed in the game enough. 91 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: And you know, I think that's where Kevin O'Connell comes 92 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: in and is maybe even underrated as a coach the 93 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: way he kind of handles the players. You know, he 94 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: mentioned he talked to him at half times say look, man, 95 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna stay in this game for us. 96 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna have a chance to win this thing at 97 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: the end, and sure enough he did. I'm look at 98 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: a lot of coaches say that stuff, but I think 99 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: your connection with the players makes him believe it because 100 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: he talked about the look in JJ's eyes at that 101 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: point that he saw, which was really cool. DJ. Do 102 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: you want to do you want to chime in on that? 103 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 3: Orkay? 104 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: Can we talk briefly about the clock management here at 105 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: the end. I know it's been it's been litigated on 106 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: on the broadcast, especially if you're watching the Manning cast, 107 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: But here's my question, because Ben Johnson mentioned the kick 108 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: was supposed to go out of the back of the 109 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: end zon which would have brought the ball out to 110 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: thirty five. With the new rules, right with a touchdown, 111 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: you kick it out of bounds. You're just moving up 112 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: to the forty and you saved Why Why were why 113 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: were the five yards so important when you could have 114 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: saved forty seconds by just kicking it out of bounds. 115 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: That's the part I don't understand. 116 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 2: So my thought watching it live as it was going 117 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 2: on with us, trying to imagine the conversation that I 118 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: would have if I was Ben Johnson, which would have 119 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: been on the sideline going to my kicker, saying, this 120 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 2: ball cannot be returned? Can you guarantee me you can 121 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: kick this literally through the uprights? And he says yes. 122 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 2: I would go I don't believe you, all right, cook it. 123 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 2: There's no even if there's even and if you're ninety 124 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: nine point nine percent sure that you can get enough 125 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: leg on this thing. So not only it's not just 126 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: like can you kick it out of the back No, 127 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: they're going to field this thing on the back line. 128 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: So it can't just like something that would land, you know, 129 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 2: a yard, No, no, no, this thing has to go 130 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: a good ten yards beyond the end line, and there's 131 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 2: no way you can't guarantee me you can do that. 132 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: I don't care how good you feel where the wind is. 133 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: What have you for five yards? I'm kicking this thing 134 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 2: straight out of bounds. Man, just kick it out of bounce. 135 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: Well, and he must have otherwise it's malpractice. Like Tyro 136 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: Santos must be kicking them ten yards out of the 137 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: back of the end zone every day in practice the 138 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: only way, even though I wouldn't trust it. 139 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is one of those things. Ben Jason 140 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 3: is his first game as a head coach. He learned 141 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 3: that everything doesn't go according to plan. You can map 142 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: out of these scenarios, you can talk about it, we 143 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 3: can practice in those things, but game day execution can 144 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: be different. And for him it's like what you guys said. 145 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 3: Sometimes as the head coach, I say, a here are 146 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 3: that keep the ball out of bounce and we're just 147 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: gonna let up and play because the only bast scenario 148 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: that could happen is it turn for them. I mean, 149 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 3: it was just just all bad, just a bad sequence 150 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: and series of plays that cost. 151 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: So on the bear side of things, look it was 152 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: good early. That's that's a positive. We'll take that as 153 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: a positive. Offensively. I'm not gonna be Johnny excuse maker, 154 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: but there were a couple of horrible calls in this game, 155 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: like holding calls that negated, you know, productive good plays 156 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: that were bush league not great calls. One of them 157 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: on right the right tackle, which was he just kind 158 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: of the guy just kind of goes to the ground. 159 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: I mean, he didn't hold him at all throughout the 160 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: entire play. So I don't want to be the excuse 161 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: maker because there are there are mechanical flaws with Caleb 162 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 2: that they have got to address, where he's got guys 163 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: open and his eyes and his feet are not connected 164 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: and the ball, I don't know if he overthrowing the ball, 165 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: but the ball's taking off on him, and I know 166 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: that's not an easy place to throw with the weather, 167 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 2: the wind that they get inside that. I know obviously 168 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: the Windy City, it gets very windy in there, but 169 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy wouldn't have any trouble with it. So that 170 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: to me is mechanically they've got to figure that out. 171 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,679 Speaker 2: And watching the difference between the two quarterbacks in that game, 172 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: it's oversimplifying it buck, but in structure, one guy looked 173 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: a lot more comfortable than the other and Caleb is 174 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: still his default is to want to get the heck 175 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: out of there and run around and try and create 176 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 2: some things and make some things happen. And even that 177 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: being said, there were a couple runs where he had 178 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: which were solid, productive runs where just if he just 179 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: keeps his eyes up down the field, there are some 180 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 2: huge plays after escaping. You did the hard part. Now 181 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: just get your eyes up and you're gonna be able 182 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 2: to hit some huge pass plays. But then he was 183 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 2: just kind of just kind of went and got his 184 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: eight ten yards on the ground. So there's still to 185 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: put it nice. There's still a lot of stuff that 186 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: needs to be worked on there. 187 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of stuff that needs to be worked on. 188 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 3: My thing is, can he ever become a more traditional 189 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: player like he's been able to get away with this 190 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 3: for so long. It's really hard to change. It's almost 191 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 3: like trying to change the golfer swing. Can we change 192 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 3: his thoughts, his process all of this because under pressure 193 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 3: you go back to who you really are, and underpressure, 194 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 3: when the game got tight, we saw Kayleb Williams revert 195 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 3: back to the guy that we saw at s he 196 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 3: who would run around and flash some great plays, but 197 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 3: also flashing boneheaded gap mistakes blunders because he just won't 198 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 3: stay on schedule. This is gonna be a hard thing 199 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: for Ben Johnson because it was great two and a 200 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 3: half quarters. They were on schedule, on time, all of 201 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 3: those things. They just got more time, more time on 202 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,599 Speaker 3: task to see if they can get Kaylyn Williams to 203 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 3: play the right way. 204 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: I think one thing though, you still have some of 205 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: that signature Ben Johnson stuff in this offense, right, like 206 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: that the play design at the end down in that 207 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: low red zone, which I think it was a dooonesday. 208 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: They caught the touchdown at the very end, same play 209 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: I think they ran against the Bears last year with 210 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: the Lions on Thanksgiving, which was kind of fun right 211 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: there in the end zone. Like, you know, you still 212 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: have some of the stuff that got you excited about 213 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, right, So let's not throw it all out 214 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: the window here. I know there was some there's a 215 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: lot of things they'd like to do a lot better, 216 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: and let's let's see if they can grow a little 217 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: bit and improve as this thing goes on. 218 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was It was a big win for the 219 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings for sure, and give their defense credit to 220 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: they heated them up in the second half after playing 221 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: pretty static and stale defensively in the first half. They 222 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: got after it. Coach Flores getting loose a little bit there. 223 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: All right, let's get to our this is our I'm 224 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: gonna go with. This is our Hot or Not game here, 225 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: It's time for Hot or Not brought to you by 226 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: Wasabi Hot Cloud Storage. So as you're looking at some 227 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: of these other games that we missed on, guys didn't 228 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: get a chance to talk about, how about the Battle 229 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: of Ohio rat Cincinnati and Cleveland. 230 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: Well, I got to tell you, I just don't think 231 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: the formula for the Browns is to Joe Flacco throwing 232 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: it at forty seven times and still only put up 233 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: sixteen points. Look, I think the thing that I noticed 234 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: and went back and saw and watched a little bit 235 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: was the run game for both teams was non existent. 236 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: You take the quarterbacks out and the Browns ran it 237 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: twenty one times for forty yards. Now, Samson did was 238 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: productive in the pass game, right, the rookie eight catches 239 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: sixty four that's a positive. That's a positive sign there. 240 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: But even with the Bengals, like twenty one carries for 241 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: forty three yards for Chase Brown. I mean, I applauded 242 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: the consistency, but you'd like to see some more production there. 243 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: So then you went looked at the defense, and if 244 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about the run game was not hot, the 245 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: run defense was pretty hot, especially for the Browns late 246 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: in this game. They had five tackles for loss in 247 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: this game, four of them coming in the fourth quarter, 248 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: and everybody was getting a piece, which was a lot 249 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: of fun to see. Swetinger made a couple of big 250 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: stops down there that kind of kept them in it. 251 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: That was pretty encouraging Miles Garrett. I think we talked 252 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: about him as one of the most difficult dudes to 253 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: deal with in the last century of football, coming off 254 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: the edge against quarterbacks. But a couple of big run 255 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: stops to now, like, let's not forget about that part 256 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: of the game. So like they the run game was 257 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: really good on the defensive side of things. I feel like, 258 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: especially for the Browns, they've got to figure out now 259 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: that quench On Judkins is signed, maybe he gets into 260 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: the mix here a little bit, but they got to 261 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: find a way to run the football a little bit 262 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: better to keep that keep Joe Flacco from dropping back 263 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: forty seven times. 264 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: It just can't happen. You just can't have Joe Flacco 265 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 3: doing it. And I know there's a bit of nostalgia 266 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: then leg chemist to fans Kinner Browns to take Joe 267 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 3: Flacco because he led them to the postseason. But there's 268 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 3: no way you could think that the same Joe Flacco 269 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 3: is going to show up. Forty plus pass attempts for 270 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 3: a forty year old guy is a recipe for disaster, 271 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 3: not only in Week one, but by the time you 272 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 3: get to Week eight, he's gonna be all tapped out. 273 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 3: The Browns, I would think, would be a little more balanced, 274 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 3: a little more focused on trying to run the football 275 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 3: and maybe French on Jenkins or have something to do 276 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: with that. They have to balance out this offense because 277 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 3: it cannot be the Joe Flacco show and expect this 278 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 3: team to go and go well. 279 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 2: For the Browns, I'll take it first of all from 280 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: the Cincinnati side of things, because I was watching this 281 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 2: and thinking of it in the context of their division, 282 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: and it's just so funny because if you watch the 283 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: Ravens Bills game, you came away from that. I mean, 284 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 2: I know that the Baltimore Ravens lost the game, but 285 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 2: there's very easy for you to imagine the Baltimore Ravens 286 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 2: with the confetti fall and winning the super Bowl, and 287 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 2: they just lost the game. And then you look at Cincinnati. 288 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: It is ugly in just a rock fight, and then 289 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: somehow they win that game. So one's ahead of the 290 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 2: other in the standings, but you feel differently about them 291 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 2: based off of that game. And I just kept coming 292 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: back to last year Cincinnati, they lost pretty so many 293 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 2: times where if you just look at the game from 294 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 2: an offensive slant, there's so much good and it's so 295 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 2: pleasing to the eye, and they lost games. Like the 296 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 2: difference between teams that ultimately get where they want to 297 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: go is you'd much rather win ugly than lose pretty. 298 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 2: And that was a team last year, Cinnati that lost 299 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: pretty a bunch And this was a great sign for 300 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 2: them where they did next to nothing offensively and somehow 301 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 2: found a way to win the game. And it's a 302 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 2: great sign defensively that Al Golden's got those guys to 303 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 2: me all on the same page. That was an issue 304 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: a lot oft times, not just the talent last year 305 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: was disjointed, disconnected bus making things easy. They didn't really 306 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: do that in that game. So that was my Cincinnati 307 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: side of things. And then Buck the other side of 308 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 2: it as we get to Cleveland. And I know my 309 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: buddies with Cleveland will not want to hear this, but 310 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: I know it's one week end of the season, but 311 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 2: I'm a believer in the bus theory. I want to 312 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 2: know if I'm the Cleveland Browns of twenty twenty five, 313 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: if I'm in that front office, I want to know 314 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: who's on the bus in twenty twenty six. And I 315 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: came out of this game going, okay, you know what 316 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: Samson RHTT talked about him getting involved in the past game, 317 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 2: Harold Fan and my rookie tight end, the nice job 318 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 2: caught a bunch of balls, Like, hey, I got two 319 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: seats for these guys on the twenty six bus. I'm 320 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: excited about that. I'm trying to identify young players who 321 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: are going to be a part of this next great 322 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: Browns team. So I know they lost the game, but 323 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: I found a couple guys that I think are gonna 324 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 2: be good for us. And I'm excited to see Judkins 325 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: now that he's signed, get him in the mixes. I 326 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 2: have a film and I got to see for him 327 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: on next year's bus. I'm pretty excited about it as well. 328 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: I mean, you're not they're going to have a seat 329 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 3: for him, but you have a seat for Isaiah Bond 330 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 3: and some of the other young guys that they have available. 331 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 3: Like you add some of those young, fast, dynamic players, 332 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 3: it will increase in up the odds of your offense 333 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 3: being able to score points because you have more speed 334 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 3: on the field. The same thing though, like you talked 335 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 3: about trying to see who's on the bus, how long? 336 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: How long are we gonna sit through this before we 337 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 3: see the young quarterbacks. 338 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: Flo Yeah, no, it'll be I think I think Dylan 339 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: Gabriel is going to be next up when that time comes. 340 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: But I think they're gonna let Joe, you know, Joe 341 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: roll for a little bit here. To me, Like if 342 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 2: we get to the what we talked about the other day, 343 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: like the Giants that that that move's coming early, that's 344 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: moves coming earlier than this one. Well, there you go. 345 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 3: Boys. 346 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: That was our Hot or Not segment brought to you 347 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: by with Sabbi Hot Cloud Storage store More and do 348 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: more with your Try them for free at wassaby dot com. 349 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: Al I had a chance to watch both sides the 350 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: ball and really dig in on this one this morning 351 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: San Francisco and Seattle to me, I'll summarize it this 352 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 2: way and then Rhett, I'll let you you piggyback it 353 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 2: and Buck jump in there. But watching this game, I 354 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: felt like Seattle had the better roster. I felt like 355 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: Seattle was deeper to me. I was just talking to 356 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: my buddy brock Hurt about this and on Brock and Salt, 357 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: and it was saying, if you just look at the 358 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 2: team like speed wise the younger, they're faster there. I 359 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: love what Seattle's doing there. There's a lot of positives 360 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: and I can get into those specifically. The thing is 361 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 2: in this game, when you needed to play, Christian McCaffrey 362 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 2: star made a play when you needed to play, Nick 363 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: Bosa finished the game game over when you needed to play. 364 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 2: Brock Purty scrambles around and makes a makes a throw. 365 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: Fred Warner looked like he was twenty years old in 366 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 2: that tape. He was flying all over the field, hitting 367 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: everything that moves. D Winners played great next to him 368 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: as well. But I thought Seattle is a better team. 369 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 2: They have better depth, they have better talent. But when 370 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 2: it was go time, they're three or four stars stepped 371 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 2: up and made the plays in the moment that they 372 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 2: actually absolutely had to have. 373 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: I think it's a good that's a good thought right there, 374 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: And you know, I think, look for San Francisco, if 375 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: not for the kicker was I think this thing feels 376 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: a lot better for them. 377 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 2: You know, he's gone, by the way. As we were 378 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 2: recording that this morning, Jake Muner. 379 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: Well there's that. Yeah, that's it. I mean, look, that 380 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: was going to happen. You just you can't keep going 381 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: on that way and not being able to trust the 382 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: guy that you're going to count on in a lot 383 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: of those tough situations. 384 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 3: Oh. 385 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: Another one, by the way, that I just saw is 386 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: the Dolphins are signing Cole Strange off the Browns practice squad. 387 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 3: Here we go. 388 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 2: Offensive line wasn't great. 389 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: No, it was not. Okay, sorry, back to Seattle in 390 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: San Francisco. So I don't know. I just think I 391 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: have a different feel about the game flow. If those kicks, 392 00:17:55,440 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: which were virtual gimmes in professional football, went through, you're 393 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: talking about a bigger you know, a wide margin there. 394 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: Maybe it doesn't come down to the very end. The 395 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: thing that was interesting for me for Seattle was the 396 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: backfield share, was that Zach Sharboney, everybody's better. 397 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: He's better, he's a better he's a better fit in 398 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 2: this system what they're doing. He's just better. He's more comfortable. 399 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: He sees it. It works better with him. Nothing against 400 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker, He's got his spot. I know he's been productive, 401 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: but in what they're trying to do, he's not as 402 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 2: good a fit. 403 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's ultimately what it came down to here. 404 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: And now he got stopped a few times behind the 405 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: line of scrimmages. I was walking it, watching it before 406 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: you know, he could really get going. But yeah, you know, 407 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: it almost reminds me a little bit of the Texans, 408 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: right when they made the switch to Dimico and Damian 409 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: Pierce had had that huge year, right he went for 410 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: over a thousand and then all of a sudden, he's 411 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: a ghost. Not saying that Kenneth Walker's going to become 412 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: a ghost here, but it wasn't a fit, and it 413 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: was just it's a similar type you know of offense. 414 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: When you look about the transitions to both these teams. 415 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think you're right on fantasy owners. I'd 416 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: be pretty bullish on sharbon Ay at this point. 417 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 3: You know the thing about that depending on how the 418 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 3: program has been set uphere you talk about playing best 419 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 3: players play Kenneth Waltherward's the guy that look he was 420 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 3: getting first by to the Apple given his draft status. 421 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 3: But at some point you have to look at fit 422 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 3: and scheme and who's the better player, And right now 423 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 3: is Jack Zach Charbonay is the better fit, so he 424 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 3: does deserve more curious I think what's interesting and making 425 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 3: a comparison between Seattle and San Francisco and how we 426 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 3: can talk about the Seattle Seahawks having a better roster, 427 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 3: but the pedigree and the experience and the star power 428 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 3: tilts towards the Niners. The issue that you have with 429 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: the Niners will the stars be available the entire season? 430 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 3: Because this has been a team that has been plagued 431 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 3: by the injury bug the last few years, I mean 432 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: really throughout the Kyle Shanahan era. Like this is a 433 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 3: team that is always beaten up and they kind of 434 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: limped to the start the finish line, even though they've 435 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 3: gotten to the Super Bowl. I just wonder, how can 436 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 3: we count on the Niners when they just appear to 437 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 3: beat themselves up and not have their best players available 438 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 3: when you need them the most, which is down the stretch. 439 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 2: No, Kittle's on ir now, so he's going to be 440 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: going for a while. And then you look at now 441 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 2: brock perty might not be able to play. You might 442 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 2: be looking at mac Jones this next week because he's 443 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 2: beat up. Like there's a lot of there's a lot 444 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: of stuff going on there where you're like, man, they've 445 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 2: already been beset, you know, with some with some big 446 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 2: blows here early on. 447 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: This is like it's like dejevu all over again. 448 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 2: It's brutal. But I will say this, I was curious, 449 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 2: and I everybody knows I like Sam, but I I 450 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 2: looked at the style. They didn't put up many points 451 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 2: like how did Darnell play? I actually thought Sam played well. 452 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 2: I thought he did some nice things. I mean at 453 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 2: the end of the game, his right tackle gets thrown 454 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 2: right in his lap. I mean, I don't know what 455 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: you're supposed to do when Nick Bosa does that, but 456 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 2: he Yeah, he was JSN. They were on the same page. 457 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: They saw things the same. I thought he looked he 458 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 2: looked very comfortable and poised. I think the interior, their 459 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: offensive line played well. They're better. Zabel in the red 460 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: zone was just moving guys. He was impressive for the 461 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: Seattle defense. Leonard Williams's best player on the field, and 462 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 2: I don't know, he looks bigger every year. To me, 463 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: he just gets bigger and stronger. And he was a 464 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 2: dominant player. So I mean, I think there's a lot 465 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: of positives to take from the Seattle side of things, 466 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 2: and I think they'll get more in a rhythm and 467 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 2: more comfortable. And there was also just some of these 468 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 2: runs I think would have popped if if they didn't 469 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 2: have a cyborg wearing number fifty four playing linebacker. For goodness, 470 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: curatious Buck. They couldn't cut him off. They couldn't they 471 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 2: couldn't get to him. 472 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 3: I mean, he's a freaking nature right Like he's a 473 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 3: freak show at that position. His instincts is aware, and 474 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 3: it's coming off a year when he was look he 475 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 3: was squarely in condition of defensive play of the year 476 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 3: a season ago. Like he is picked up right where 477 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 3: he left off. This is an instinctive as you say, 478 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 3: Cyborg that just makes plays all over the field as 479 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 3: long as the Niners have fifty four in the pipes. 480 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 3: And I mean, look, the defense is always gonna be 481 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 3: solid because great defenses are terrific right down in the middle. 482 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: No doubt. Let's pause, we'll come back. We'll clean up 483 00:21:54,240 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 2: a couple more of these games right after this. All right, back, 484 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 2: I'll hit you up on this one. Houston and the 485 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 2: Rams here out in LA. You get the Texans coming 486 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 2: out here. We said it before. These are probably two 487 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 2: of the most physical teams in the NFL, and it 488 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 2: was a very physical game. 489 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, a very physical game. And what I would say 490 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 3: about the Rams having seen them throughout the preseason and 491 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 3: then watching him play, what I love about Sean McVay 492 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 3: is this is a team that can win and it 493 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 3: doesn't really matter about the style. Points. They are built 494 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 3: to play in shootouts, they're built to play in grinded 495 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 3: out of affairs, and they have a coach who's willing 496 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 3: to do it with or without worrying about what the 497 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 3: playing style looks like. He is to rip it in 498 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 3: terms of his adaptability and flexibility and what they do 499 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 3: to get out of a game, and even though Matthew 500 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 3: Stafford goes over to sixty thousand mark, which is crazy 501 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 3: to think about passing for that many yards. They just 502 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 3: have a well balanced roster and their willingness to play 503 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 3: the undrafted, late round, unheralded players really pays off for 504 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 3: him because they have enough star prow to compete with 505 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 3: the heavyweights. But they get the contributions from the other 506 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,719 Speaker 3: guys to make sure that they're always in games. And look, man, 507 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 3: they don't have any glaring weaknesses. 508 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you know they've they've they come up 509 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 1: with some stuff, like we've talked about it on this show, 510 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: like a few things here and there, a few wrinkles. 511 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: They're so good at it, that offensive staff coming up 512 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: with things that that'll benefit them, you know, maybe not 513 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: knowing exactly the situation, but it came up on the 514 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: last third down on this one. I just I caught 515 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: this one when we were doing Game Day Live on 516 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: NFL Network and went back and watched it. It's just 517 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: fun to watch, Like, you know, they use those receivers 518 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: in the run game. That's been a staple of the 519 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: Sean McVay offense really since you know, he came into 520 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: LA and Pukunaku has never won to shy Away. I mean, 521 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: the dude went and got stitches like a hockey player, 522 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: and then you know, came back in later on and 523 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: had a fantastic game for the Rams. So they bring 524 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: him in motion on that final third downs a third 525 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: down and eight right, and we've seen them insert right 526 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: into the blocking scheme right and they're almost almost serve 527 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: as like a lead blocker right on some of those runs. Well, 528 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: they bring him in motion this time and Jalen Petrie 529 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: comes with him right and so right in between the 530 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: tackle and the guard, Puoka comes up essentially like he's 531 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: going to block. It is a big play action here, 532 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: and then he just delays, delays, releases out into the flat. 533 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 1: Petrie doesn't quite see it fast enough. Stafford's rolling out 534 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: gets just an Eleric Jackson in the left tackle gets 535 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: just enough. I think it was either Daniel Hunter or 536 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: Will Anderson, and Stafford makes a really nice throw kind 537 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,959 Speaker 1: of with a defender in his face, and Pooka Nakula 538 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: was wide open down the sideline and then stays in 539 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: bounds right, keeps the clock rolling, and that game was 540 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: over right there. Just you know, great great design, great 541 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 1: situational awareness of when to use that, how to use it, 542 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: and great execution all around. Just one of the one 543 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: of the cool things to watch when these guys are playing. 544 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: I got a chance to go back and watch that. 545 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 2: It's funny because we talked about yesterday on the Steelers 546 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 2: discussion of one of the Calvin Austin touchdowns, which was 547 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: almost the identical, exact same situation, And to me, you're 548 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 2: talking about the thread of him as a blocker and 549 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 2: how that puts you in a buying Well, they didn't 550 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 2: think Calvin Austin was getting ready to go up there 551 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 2: and block somebody, and but yeah, but Pooka would. But 552 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 2: to me, it's not even more so than that's like 553 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 2: the look or the run of it. What you're doing 554 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 2: is you're taking a coverage player who's not comfortable or 555 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 2: used to being in that tight in the box with 556 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 2: the mess of bodies. They're just not You take rep 557 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,239 Speaker 2: after rep and practice and you're out, you're outside, you're 558 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 2: in the slot, you're in space, and then all of 559 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 2: a sudden, now you've got to cover a pook and 560 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 2: the cour Calvin Austin who's inserting in the Pittsburgh game, 561 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 2: it was between the tight end and the tackle in 562 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: this game, between the tackle and the guard. That that is, 563 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 2: to me, is an a different look. 564 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: Right, it's just offense. One on one. 565 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 2: Your job is trying to make a defender uncomfortable and 566 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 2: you've got a lot of a lot of field to 567 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 2: defend their buck, but you've also just they're not it's 568 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 2: not a comfortable feeling for those guys to be in 569 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: the middle of all that. 570 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 3: No, it's never chutifle to be in the middle of 571 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 3: all those things. And part of what you want to 572 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 3: do as a great coordinator offensive defense is to kind 573 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 3: of create chaos and make people have to live in 574 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 3: their discomfort. And that's what we're able to do. And 575 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 3: that's some of the things that we see. And the 576 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 3: best teams are able to react and respond to best 577 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 3: players able to kind of handle being in those weird 578 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,719 Speaker 3: moments and they get you out and they can make 579 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 3: the coastal good because they figure out how to handle 580 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 3: themselves in those situations. So it's interesting to watch it 581 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 3: all play out. 582 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, this was again Rock Fight fourteen to nine type game. 583 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 2: I did go back and watch. I wanted to watch 584 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 2: the difference between Pooka and Davante to see how the 585 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 2: usage was there and what that looks like. It's good 586 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 2: to be Puka man. Davante's got to deal with Stingley 587 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 2: on the outside, going to war with him, and then 588 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 2: they use motion and they use with alignment. Pooka is 589 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 2: going to get so many favorable matchups and he was 590 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,479 Speaker 2: wearing them out a lot of digs, slants, they get 591 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 2: them a bubble looking in the seamstret reference to hit 592 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: that he's that he took like he's He's got a 593 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 2: lot of a favorable space. And the good news is 594 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 2: DeVante Adam still found a way to make plays, gets 595 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 2: a back shoulder. He turned Stingley around a little out 596 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 2: route late in this game, showing you that he's still 597 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 2: got that route running ability to be able to separate. 598 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 2: And he ain't gonna see many Derek Stingley's on the 599 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 2: schedule this year. So they've got ways to utilize both 600 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 2: these guys. But after we were there at that practice, 601 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,239 Speaker 2: Buck I came away thinking, Man, DeVante Adams is going 602 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: to end up out targeting and out producing Pooka. I mean, 603 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,959 Speaker 2: I just think what the matchups Pooka is going to get, 604 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 2: They're going to be so much more favorable that he's 605 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 2: going to have a more productive year. 606 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 3: You know. The funny thing about all of the dj is, 607 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 3: I was in the camp that I thought Devanta Adams 608 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 3: was slipping when I looked at him first with the 609 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 3: Raiders and then with the Jets, I didn't see the 610 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 3: same explosiveness that I saw from a player that dominated 611 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 3: in Green Bay. But I don't know what is going 612 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 3: on in La like if he's sipping some water from 613 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 3: the found the youth, because he does look like a 614 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 3: more dynamic and explosive player than he's looked like in 615 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 3: recent years. And in watching that practice that we saw 616 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 3: together and then watching the play, you can already see 617 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 3: how Sean McVay is going to tap into some of 618 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 3: his creative Robert ability to create explosive plays for this offense. 619 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 2: I have no doubt. Let's let's get to these last 620 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 2: couple of games here, Rhett. We go to Vegas and 621 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 2: New England. Disappointed with New England on that side of things, 622 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 2: but let's start with the good stuff with Vegas. 623 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was kind of you know, one of my 624 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: one of the things I really wanted to see here 625 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: on both sides was like, all right, how are the 626 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: Patriots going to utilize one of the stories of the 627 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: preseason and Trayvon Henderson, And then how are the Raiders 628 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: going to defend it? Because they're watching that preseason tape too, 629 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: and it was clear they wanted to get Trevion the 630 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: ball and let him work with some of that explosive 631 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: ability that he has. Honestly, I come away like feeling 632 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: very encouraged for the Raiders on defense, right, I thought 633 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: they dealt with that very well. Isaiah Polanow was a 634 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: was a monster in this game. The way you get 635 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: player Yeah, read right, that's a that's a draft report 636 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: to look at down the road. Here Reid recognize trigger 637 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: and tackle on Trevion was on one play in particular, 638 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: when he comes from about twenty yards deep and makes 639 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: a stop on Traveon Henderson. You know, really really good 640 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: player and open space I think, right, either for a 641 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: loss or no gain. It was really impressive. Devin White 642 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: was a revelation for the Raiders in here. I mean 643 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: he made a ton of tackles, was in on a 644 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: ton of plays. For a guy that's bounced around a lot, 645 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: maybe finds a home here with Patrick Graham and the 646 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: Raiders defense. So that was kind of what I just 647 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: I thought was cool. And again I think we're going 648 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: to see Ashton gent get better on the offensive side 649 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: of things. Gino played really well. I thought brock Bauers 650 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: injury thing is something I'm obviously we're all going to 651 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: be following here moving forward. But he was a force. 652 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: I just like to go back to the initial point. 653 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,959 Speaker 1: I was expecting a little more from from Josh McDaniels 654 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: and from New England. With Travon Henderson, they had one 655 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: play in short yardage where he's in a full house 656 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: backfield and he gets the edge and it was kind 657 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: of a cool design. I just didn't a lot of 658 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: it was just like a pass pro you're not challenged, 659 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: you know, delay release just didn't see that. It was 660 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: like he was a main focus of the game plan. 661 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 3: It's funny because my focus will go back to the 662 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 3: Raiders and Pete Carroll and Pete Carroll's program, and so 663 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 3: you talk about Devin White, you talk about young players 664 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 3: showing up. This is what Pete Carroll has done, whether 665 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 3: it's at USC or stepping into the league with the 666 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 3: Seattle Seahawks. This is what they do they take on 667 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 3: reclamation projects, They somehow pump them full of belief, They 668 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 3: give them opportunities, and those guys pay them back in 669 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 3: turn by playing well. This is what the Raiders traditionally 670 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 3: have always done. Way back in yesteryear when mister Davis 671 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 3: was around, they were always a band of gassed offs 672 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 3: and misfits that they would kind of put together and 673 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 3: they would find a way to win. To me, even 674 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 3: though Pete Carroll is seventy three, he is the right 675 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 3: coach for this team at this time, having an adult 676 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 3: in the room, someone who wins, someone who has the confidence, 677 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 3: but also has a program that kind of takes them there. 678 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 3: I think you can see all that now. I don't 679 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 3: know what it means for the Raiders in terms of 680 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 3: in this division where they end up, but I certainly 681 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 3: feel like if I'm a Raiders fan, at least we 682 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 3: look like a professional outfit that can compete and eventually 683 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 3: find a way to be a contender. 684 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 2: From the Raiders side of things, hey, not a surprise. 685 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 2: The offense is going to go through Brock Bauers. It 686 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 2: still is. He's their best football player. Ash and Genty 687 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 2: I haven't got a chance to go through the cutups 688 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 2: yet with him to watch all of his stuff and 689 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 2: just look at him specifically. While I was on the 690 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 2: phone Balty this morning, he was talking about how nice 691 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: of a job he did in pass protection, which is 692 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: great to see. So that's that's added value there. I 693 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 2: still feel the same about this Raiders team. I think 694 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 2: Gino's is still a really, really good player. I think 695 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 2: they've got to stay healthy. They've got four or five guys. 696 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 2: If they can keep these star guys healthy, they're going 697 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 2: to be in it and they're going to be competitive. 698 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 2: And I'm going to see them on Monday night, so 699 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it to seeing what they look 700 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 2: like there. All right, the last one here Arizona in 701 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 2: New Orleans. I'll be honest with that. Positively, Buck, no 702 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 2: one's more competitive than I thought they would be. So 703 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 2: that's a good thing. 704 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 3: That is a really good thing. And look, I'll give 705 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 3: Kellen Moore credit when it came to picking the quarterback, 706 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 3: and I'm not saying Spencer Rather was great, but having 707 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 3: been there for the New Orleans Jacks game in preseason, 708 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 3: he was pretty obvious that Spencer Rather was the better 709 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 3: quarterback at the time. Kellen didn't succumb to the pressure 710 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 3: of a we picked this guy, We picked him with 711 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 3: the expectation and he was going to be the starter. 712 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 3: He stayed true to that. And then what Kellen does, 713 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 3: as all great coaches do, you try and find a 714 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 3: way to shape the offense around the talents of the 715 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 3: quarterback and see if they can get a doing, get 716 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 3: it going. It wasn't great yet, but the creativity, the adaptability, 717 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 3: the ability to adjust to what you have. Kellen Moore 718 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 3: certainly has that, and as he continues to grow as 719 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 3: a coach, that offensive mind with him also learning how 720 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 3: to manage the entire operation is going to help the 721 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 3: New Orleans Saints get back on track. 722 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got they've got to find a little bit 723 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: more again on the run game, at forty six attempts 724 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: for Rattler, you know, complete a little over fifty percent 725 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: of those, I was, like you a little bit encouraged 726 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: that they were fairly competitive there. I mean, Juwan Johnson 727 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: catches that touchdown and we're talking about, you know, a 728 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: chance to win a game at overtime, which. 729 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 2: They only got sacked by once, and they didn't turn 730 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 2: they didn't he didn't throw any picks well, forty six times. 731 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 2: Like just that alone, I was like, that's encouraging. 732 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: Well, that's the strength of this team, without question. Is 733 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: that offensive line, Like that's good. Kelvin Bank's a good player. 734 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: You know, there's that's some They've got first round picks 735 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: all over the place up there. But I think on 736 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: the Cardinals side of things, kind of intrigued to see 737 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: how Trey Benson works his way a little bit more 738 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: into the game plan. You know, he was kind of 739 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: like hit or miss. Last year it was mostly James 740 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: Connor's show. I had a little bit more to even 741 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: split of the carries and obviously Connor's going to get 742 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: all the goal line touches here. But Benson had an 743 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: explosive thirty five yard run in this one. Just something 744 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: to kind of follow as we go forward. With the 745 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: Cardinals on defense played really well. 746 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 2: Man going back and watch Marvin Harrison stuff too. They're 747 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,479 Speaker 2: figuring out how to use him properly and get him 748 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 2: on the move, and they were more efficient. I remember 749 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 2: last year there was games I swear I go the 750 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 2: targets and like, oh my gosh, you had thirteen targets 751 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 2: and four catches. 752 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: You know, I think he was started like the leak 753 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: neighbors this week. 754 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 2: Oh man, poor guy h And I say that because 755 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 2: he's on my fantasy team. But the h I think 756 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 2: it was let me, I had it here. It was 757 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 2: like six targets maybe for uh Harrison. Yeah. They caught 758 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 2: five of six targets, five for seventy one and a touchdown, 759 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 2: and they kept him on the move and he looked 760 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 2: more comfortable there. I still don't know that I'm gonna 761 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 2: be a little bit disappointed in terms of just I 762 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 2: don't think you're going to see him as a full 763 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 2: route tree guy, like as someone who's elite, elite getting 764 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 2: in and out of breaks. But he's still so strong 765 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 2: and big and physical and straight line fast. He could 766 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 2: be really really good player and they're figuring out how 767 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 2: to use him. So good win for the Cardinals. But 768 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 2: the Saints they put up a fight. I thought they 769 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 2: might get run out of the stadium. So that was 770 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 2: that's why I was encouraged from the Saints side of things. 771 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 2: All right, boys, we gotta wrap this thing up. This 772 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 2: has been fun. A little clean up. We did a 773 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 2: clean up on Aisle six. 774 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 1: Clean out. 775 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 2: Uh that's that's from mister mom, which I'm sure three 776 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 2: people that are listening to this have actually seen that movie. 777 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 2: Said fantastic, fantastic, Michael Keene. Anyways, that's gonna do a force. 778 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time right here on. Move the sticks. 779 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: M m m m hm 780 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 3: Hm