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Speaker 2: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings.

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Speaker 3: I'm Ryan mink here with Garrett Downinggno're back for the

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Speaker 3: second time in the same day because the Ravens have

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Speaker 3: some breaking news. According to Adam Schefter and Mike Garritfolo,

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Speaker 3: the Ravens have traded outside linebacker odafe Oway to the

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Speaker 3: Los Angeles Chargers in exchange for a lowhi Gilman. Two

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Speaker 3: teams also reportedly swap draft picks, with the Ravens getting

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Speaker 3: a fifth round pick next year and the charter is

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Speaker 3: getting a seventh round pick the following year. So big

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Speaker 3: move obviously one that makes you go WHOA when you

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Speaker 3: see that. Odafe Oway, a former Ravens first round pick,

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Speaker 3: second on the team in sacks last year with ten

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Speaker 3: and a player who they had picked up his fifth

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Speaker 3: year option, and we're banking on him having a kind

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Speaker 3: of breakout in air quotes year after he posted ten sacks,

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Speaker 3: they thought he could take it to another level this

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Speaker 3: year that did not materialize. Had zero sacks through the

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Speaker 3: first five games for the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a move that catches your attention. I

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Speaker 1: think it's going to catch everyone's attention. And as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: this is the second podcast in one day. We also

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Speaker 1: have one that posted a little bit earlier today that

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Speaker 1: breaks down some of the news of the day. But

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Speaker 1: this was not included in that. And we were talking

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Speaker 1: about potential roster moves and lineup changes and personnel adjustments

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Speaker 1: and all that, and neither of us had a da

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Speaker 1: fe Aoway getting traded on our Bengo card in that discussion.

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Speaker 1: But I think that to me, this is there's a

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Speaker 1: couple of big picture takeaways that I have with this.

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Speaker 1: One is that the Ravens are not standing pat like

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Speaker 1: they are as John hart Harbaugh said, They're looking at everything,

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Speaker 1: everything is on the table as this team looks to

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Speaker 1: find its way after a one and four start and

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Speaker 1: trading a former first round pick who you picked up

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Speaker 1: his fifth year option, like that's a major shakeup, that's

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Speaker 1: a big change to your team.

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Speaker 3: They are not afraid to shake it up sitting at

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Speaker 3: one and four right now, you know, and and uh,

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Speaker 3: I think that this is a move that isn't like,

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Speaker 3: it's not a sell off for Baltimore. This is a

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Speaker 3: move that I think they believe improves them right now

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Speaker 3: and gives them a better chance of making the playoffs

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Speaker 3: and making them run right now.

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Speaker 2: This to me is not it's not sell off time.

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Speaker 3: But I think it would not be surprising if other

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Speaker 3: teams around the NFL heard John Harbaugh's comments that everything's

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Speaker 3: on the table and they picked up the phone.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't surprise me. Well, of course this good.

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Speaker 1: This is a move with the Chargers and Harbor harbar

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Speaker 1: to Harbaugh, Joe Hartiz, Eric Tacosta like these two, these

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Speaker 1: two organizations from a coaching and front office standpoint, are

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Speaker 1: about as intertwined as you can get in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League exactly, So like the relationships there are run

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Speaker 1: deep and to say the least, And so if those

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Speaker 1: conversations are if there's conversations being had between anybody and

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Speaker 2: That's correct. I would totally agree with that.

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Speaker 3: And I think the fact of the matter is as

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Speaker 3: John Harball made clear on Monday, you know, if the

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Speaker 3: to move on and find another player. And you know, O'dafeoway,

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Speaker 3: I think that they've always have had faith in him

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Speaker 3: him and stuck by him because they felt like the

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Speaker 3: era was pointing up that here's a really athletic player,

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Speaker 3: super gifted athlete, you know, and but he was a

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Speaker 3: But they always felt like since they took him in

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Speaker 3: and I'm not gonna you know, we saw spurts of that.

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Speaker 3: Ten sacks is no joke last year, right, we saw

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Speaker 3: say it never fully blossomed for a Dafeoway here in

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Speaker 3: this year. I mean, Tavius Robinson is playing significantly more

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Speaker 3: playing about forty five percent of the snap so far

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Speaker 3: he's not giving us a lot this year and we

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Speaker 1: Trade, right And and the help elsewhere piece is Alopi Gillman,

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Speaker 1: who's a sixty year safety, has been his entire career

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Speaker 1: year ago he signed a two year contract extension, two year,

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Speaker 1: This move takes me back to honestly, when our Darius

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Speaker 1: Washington got hurt before the season, and I think at

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Speaker 1: the time it was like, oh, man, that's really disappointing

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Speaker 1: I think we all probably understold the significance of that

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Speaker 3: We're all excited about Malachi and the possibility there, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: this Ravens team once operate with three safeties. How many

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Speaker 3: times have we said it? In recent seasons? They want

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Speaker 3: move Kyle Howentson around as much as I think they

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Speaker 3: want to has had a negative impact on this defense.

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Speaker 2: There's no if sands or butts about it.

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Speaker 3: And Kyle's been primarily playing a little bit further back

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Speaker 3: and they just haven't been able to utilize his full

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Speaker 3: thrust Malachi Starks into an immediate starting role that you know,

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Speaker 3: he would have played significant snaps regardless I think of

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Speaker 3: Ardarius injury, but would have been one hundred percent of

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Speaker 3: the snaps every play, I'm not so sure. And so

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Speaker 3: he's had to grow up really fast.

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Speaker 1: The Ravens have won, they've wanted to have three safeties

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Speaker 1: in the mix. That's just been their preferred mode of operations.

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Speaker 1: Like they drafted Malachi Starks knowing they had Ardarius Washington

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Speaker 1: like that, they want to have three safeties available on

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Speaker 1: this team. And I think Kyle Hamilton is at his

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Speaker 1: best when you can use him all over the field

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Speaker 1: play the slot like he can be used anywhere on

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Speaker 1: he's been based on the personnel, really been needed to

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Speaker 1: play kind of a traditional safety role. Now he's also hurt,

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Speaker 1: like the Ravens are dealing with injuries in their secondary too.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton missed last week's game with a groin injury.

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Speaker 1: And and so I don't know he we don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if this is it

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Speaker 1: gives any indication in that regard. Hopefully not, you know,

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Speaker 1: hopefully this isn't you know, I don't even want to really.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully he's playing alongside Kyle Howlson, not replacing him exactly,

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Speaker 3: is what you're trying to say. Yeah, we won two

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Speaker 3: Notre Dame guys, helow, he's a Notre Dame alone. We

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Speaker 3: went two Notre Dame guys in that secondary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so.

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Speaker 1: The other move just to mention as well as earlier

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Speaker 1: who's been a safety, veteran safety, He's played a lot

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Speaker 1: another veteran safety to that mix. Had six interceptions i

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Speaker 2: And Spears before that also six interceptions.

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Speaker 1: Been a that can get his hands on the football

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Speaker 1: of course, with the trade of oa Way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean the Ravens are not sitting on their

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Speaker 3: hands with the defense that has given up the most

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Speaker 2: And they might not be done. Who knows. Yeah, like

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Speaker 2: as that we didn't see this one coming.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Harbaugh said on Monday, everything is on the

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Speaker 1: Like he's made big moves Broaday Roquand Smith brought him,

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Speaker 3: Not it's not trading a player for a pick, trading

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Speaker 1: And then really a pickswap. And so maybe this is

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Speaker 2: And really that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the other dynamic of this trade is it's

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Speaker 3: going to be up for contract extensions, and Eric DaCosta

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Speaker 3: made it clear that look, we're gonna see Ravens fans

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Speaker 3: are going to see good players playing for other teams

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Speaker 2: They're gonna see it during this year. Now it turns

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Speaker 3: They were they just the facts of the matter where

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Speaker 3: all right, who can they get extensions done with? There

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Speaker 3: were probably other guys that were ahead of odafe is,

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Speaker 3: Taicassa flips it for a player that they really needed

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Speaker 3: now and a pick swat right, they went took a

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Speaker 3: it one year earlier. So if Odafeoway was going to

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Speaker 3: they would have got a compensatory pick for him. Who

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Speaker 3: knows what kind of deal he would have signed as

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Speaker 3: a free agent. We'll still see that, right because we

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Speaker 3: don't know how the rest of the season is going

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Speaker 3: Here odds were against it with so many players being

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Speaker 1: to them later today. Yeah, I don't know. I was

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Speaker 1: You never know, You never know, So thanks for listening.

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