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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, fellow conspiracy realist. This is

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Speaker 1: a classic episode while we were on the high seas.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of folks that we call returning

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Speaker 1: guests on Stuff they Don't Want You to Know, because

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Speaker 1: they come in and out of all kinds of stories,

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Speaker 1: and for several years over the course of this show,

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Speaker 1: one guy who absolutely captivated our attention was the creator

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Speaker 1: of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange.

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Speaker 2: He was amongst one of the first dozen episodes that

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Speaker 2: we ever made of this iteration of stuff they Don't

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Speaker 2: our video series on YouTube. So do check out YouTube

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Speaker 2: dot com, slash Conspiracy Stuff or at Conspiracy Stuff if

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Speaker 3: Well, it's so funny that this just came up because

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Speaker 3: I just got served a recommendation on one streaming app

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Speaker 3: or another for the Alex Gibney documentary We Steal Secrets,

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Speaker 3: the Story of WikiLeaks, which I had never got around

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Speaker 3: to watching, and it's on my list, and it reminded

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Speaker 3: me of this. And now, isn't there some kind of

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Speaker 3: What's going on with old boy?

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Speaker 1: Well, we know that he made it back to Australia

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Speaker 1: after we did this episode in twenty twenty, and from

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Speaker 1: statements by his brother Gabriel Shipton at the time, the

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Speaker 1: word on the street was he was still adjusting spending

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Speaker 1: time with his family because he went through some horrific

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Speaker 1: We know that he attended some pro Palestinian protest in

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Speaker 1: the past year. He also went to some other notable events,

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Speaker 1: but he's been kind of keeping his head down. Yeah, Hey, do.

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Speaker 2: You think Julian Massage would ever talk to us? Would

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Speaker 2: we want to talk to him?

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Speaker 4: I think I would want to talk to him, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get text him. Okay, Ben, Well, well it's

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Speaker 1: someone who says they're Julian Massage. I think I just

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Speaker 1: reach out because I think it would be a fascinating

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Speaker 1: reporting about this guy was so heavily tilted and influenced

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Speaker 1: by powerful forces when WikiLeaks was having its heyday in

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Speaker 1: the news.

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Speaker 3: It's practically referred to as like a terrorist, like a

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Speaker 1: Right, and for some he is a soldier in the

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Speaker 1: war for transparency. To others, he is portrayed as a

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Speaker 1: super villain. In this episode from twenty twenty, we ask

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Speaker 1: whatever happened to Julian Massage.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 1: our super producer, Paul Mission Controlled Decant. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Today, we're focusing on

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Speaker 1: the story of one man, a single individual, a larger

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Speaker 1: than life figure who once upon a time dominated global news.

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Speaker 1: To some, he is an inspiring icon of free speech

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Speaker 1: To others, he's a power mad super villain, an agent

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Speaker 1: His name is Julian Assange.

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Speaker 2: Our last update that we did on this show on

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Speaker 2: Julian Assange was almost exactly a year ago today. It

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Speaker 2: was May tenth, twenty nineteen, and today's May sixth, twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: As we're recording this, so you know, we're not gonna

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Speaker 2: where he is now, briefly, how he got there, and

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Speaker 3: Do you guys think what makes people think super villain

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Speaker 3: Maybe he had like a bionic hand or something, and

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Speaker 1: Or a weird gun.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, doctor Claw, he stroked the weird cat with the

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Speaker 1: The gist of Julian Nossange. You know, Julian Nossange was

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Speaker 1: for a full look at his biography and his early

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Speaker 3: So today, Asan is probably best known for his activism,

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Speaker 3: And Wiki Leak's gained international attention in April of twenty

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Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, And on a personal note, I missed the

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Speaker 1: contrasted with what I think that's Game of Thrones? Which

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know Wiki leagues over the years that

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Speaker 3: I mean it's sort of you know, it's just the

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Speaker 3: same way a court assesses anyone's risk of flight. You know,

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Speaker 3: they won't grant you bail, or they'll make your bail

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Speaker 3: excessively high if they think or if they even think

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Speaker 3: that you're going to flee, let alone, if you've got

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Speaker 3: an established pattern of doing that, which as Songe absolutely

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Speaker 3: had so. Julian Assange remains in the Belmarsh Prison in

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Speaker 3: the United Kingdom. His partner, lawyer Stella Morris, who he

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Speaker 3: has two children with, recently said quote, the life of

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Speaker 3: my partner Julian Assan is severely at risk. He is

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Speaker 3: on remand at HMP Belmarsh, and COVID nineteen is spreading

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Speaker 3: within its walls. So this is absolutely a topical update.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 3: Morris sees more than just a song's personal health in

451
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Speaker 3: jeopardy here saying that quote, Julian needs to be released now,

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Speaker 3: for him, for our family, and for the society we

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Speaker 3: all want our children to grow up in. Yeah, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it depends on what your take

455
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Speaker 3: is on that particular vision of society that a songe espouses,

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Speaker 3: you know. And again, I mean a big part of

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Speaker 3: his character is the idea of like free speech and

458
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Speaker 3: about you know, taking powerful people to task. But he

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Speaker 3: is absolutely, has been and remains a super divisive figure.

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Speaker 3: So let's talk about a bigger picture issue here that

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Speaker 3: we've a little bit in some of our COVID nineteen updates,

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Speaker 3: the risk of coronavirus and prisons.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's certainly a hairy situation for anyone who

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Speaker 2: is being kept anywhere within fairly close quarters to other

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Speaker 2: human beings, especially if there are any kind of sanitary

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Speaker 2: issues within let's say a prison like that, And in

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Speaker 2: prisons across the world, people are being infected with coronavirus

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Speaker 2: because it only takes one person to enter that closed

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Speaker 2: system at some point to then infect one other and

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Speaker 2: then exponentially grow that outbreak. But in this particular prison

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Speaker 2: HMP Belmarsh where Julian Assange is at least two people

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Speaker 2: within the prison have contracted COVID nineteen or have they've

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Speaker 2: contracted the coronavirus and are dealing with symptoms of COVID nineteen.

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Speaker 2: And prisons just in general are pretty rough places to

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Speaker 2: be with individuals who have attributes and possibly charges pending

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Speaker 2: against them for varying things of varying severities, and in

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Speaker 2: you know, these uncertain times, there are higher than average

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Speaker 2: odds of things like violence occurring within prisons where there's

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Speaker 2: that kind of fear of something like coronavirus or uprisings

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Speaker 2: or you know, maybe even riots, very violent riots occurring

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Speaker 2: within these prisons.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely correct. In fact, there are numerous

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Speaker 1: reports already of riots about prison conditions in the US

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Speaker 1: and abroad, and in some countries prisoners have even successfully

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Speaker 1: taken guards hostage, not even necessarily to say, hey, we're

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Speaker 1: throwing down the prison walls, let my people go. But

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Speaker 1: more to say, we need to bring attention to the

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Speaker 1: pandemic bloodbath that may occur when we are locked in

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Speaker 1: here like animals for whatever reason. So this, this prison

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Speaker 1: angle has a lot of fairly plausible conspiratorial aspects to it,

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Speaker 1: because you know, we've seen the kind of manufactured concerns

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Speaker 1: that pop up in other celebrity prison stories. Someone has

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Speaker 1: a high paid lawyer, like someone working for Weinstein or something,

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Speaker 1: who says, you know, he's very fragile. Therefore, even though

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Speaker 1: he's been convicted of these crimes, he should get some

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Speaker 1: sort of special treatment because it's the human thing to do.

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Speaker 1: By the way, for R and B fans, R Kelly

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Speaker 1: is looking for the same thing, the argument being that

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Speaker 1: he has diabetes and COVID is going to blow through

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Speaker 1: prison systems. But in Assanja's case, there's solid evidence that

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Speaker 1: his life may be at risk more so than a Weinstein,

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Speaker 1: more so than an R.

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Speaker 2: Kelly, because not as much as a an ep free Epstein,

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Speaker 2: not as much as an Epstein.

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Speaker 1: Right, we should call that we should make the Epstein scale.

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Speaker 1: If the you know, fellow conspiracy realist. If you have

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Speaker 1: the time and the inclination, please feel free to make

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Speaker 1: an infographic of the Epstein scale the likelihood have died

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Speaker 1: in prison.

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Speaker 2: You know, I would I just really quickly bet. This

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Speaker 2: is a very interesting thing to think about, because the

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Speaker 2: reason Julian Assange is in jail, you know, is officially

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Speaker 2: because of jumping bail, but really, when you put all

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Speaker 2: of the math together, it's because he had damning evidence

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Speaker 2: against very powerful people, right or he was able to

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Speaker 2: release information about powerful people in the actions they take.

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Speaker 4: That.

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Speaker 2: Then you think about somebody like Jeffrey Epstein that very

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Speaker 2: likely at least allegedly had the worst kind of evidence

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Speaker 2: against extremely powerful people, and we saw what happened to him.

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Speaker 2: You know, who knows if it was. Look, we can't

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Speaker 2: prove to you if it was self inflicted or not

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Speaker 2: self inflicted in his case, but he was only in

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Speaker 2: prison for a short time, That's all I would.

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Speaker 1: Say, Right, Yeah, it's very much worth pointing out that

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Speaker 1: plenty of powerful people wants this guy dead, even if

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Speaker 1: they can't kill WikiLeaks, which is also on the wish list.

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Speaker 1: We should note that, you know, the Trump administration is

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Speaker 1: currently attempting to extradite assage to the US. However, remember

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Speaker 1: we're very quickly going into the no real good guy's

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Speaker 1: morally gray territory because the desire to gain possession of

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Speaker 1: assage transcends the growing stark ideological divide in domestic US politics.

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Speaker 1: Establishment Democrats want the guy under the jail or under

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Speaker 1: the daisies as much as establishment Republicans. He has very

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Speaker 1: few friends in Congress, you know what I mean, And

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Speaker 1: it's kind of misleading. That's why I appreciate the point

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Speaker 1: you made knowl earlier about people liking a hero or

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Speaker 1: calling someone a hero until their principles, whatever they may be,

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Speaker 1: run counter to our own principles.

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Speaker 3: It's just the idea of like one person's freedom fighter

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Speaker 3: is another person's terrorist. It all depends on what side

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Speaker 3: of the issue you fall A lot of the times,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, certainly both sides can be guilty

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Speaker 3: of what would be considered negative acts or even atrocities.

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Speaker 3: But still, in terms of the way you view the

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Speaker 3: means justifying the ends, you could probably say, well, they

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Speaker 3: might have done some bad things, but they were ultimately

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Speaker 3: supporting what I think is a just cause.

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Speaker 1: And oh and we should point out a in a

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Speaker 1: no way, baby, but kind of moment. Let me tell

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Speaker 1: you what really happened. The US is still kind of

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Speaker 1: in damage control over this, and has been since two

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Speaker 1: thousand and six, so for more than a decade they've

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Speaker 1: been in damage control here in the States. Uncle Sam

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Speaker 1: says Assange is not wanted because he caught the US

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Speaker 1: doing some bad things red handed, or because he damaged

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Speaker 1: the soft power of the reputation abroad, or because he

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Speaker 1: embarrassed the US. They say he's wanted because he illegally

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Speaker 1: endangered the lives of informants aka spies or assets, dissidents

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Speaker 1: aka also possibly spies or assets, but maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe sincere dissidents as well as activist aka spies or assets.

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Speaker 1: But hey, maybe maybe activists in multiple countries including of

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Speaker 1: course rock Iran and Afghanistan. So what what? What gives?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 1: What is he actually going to be charged with or

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Speaker 1: indicted for?

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Speaker 2: Do we know? Yeah, there is an indictment impending charges

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Speaker 2: standing against Julian Assange from the United States, And I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna boil it down to you in the way that

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Robinson explained it in a recent conversation with Glenn Greenwald.

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Speaker 2: She's a human rights attorney and she's representing Assannge, and

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Speaker 2: she explains it that the charges essentially state that Assonge

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Speaker 2: was communicating had communications of some sort with Chelsea Manning

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Speaker 2: at the time known as Bradley Manning, and that Assannge

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Speaker 2: discussed with Chelsea ways in which she could access highly

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Speaker 2: classified materials in a way that would protect her identity.

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Speaker 2: That's really what it's saying. That's the whole thing. Assannge

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Speaker 2: was in connection with Chelsea Manning, and Chelsea Manning got

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Speaker 2: the materials to him and then he released them. And also,

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Speaker 2: according to Jennifer, there's a widely held misconception that's just

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Speaker 2: kind of been floating around and it started from this

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Speaker 2: Department of Justice press release that came out out not

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Speaker 2: that long ago, and within this release it falsely stated,

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Speaker 2: at least according to Robinson, that as Soonge was being

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Speaker 2: charged with quote hacking, so in some way using you know,

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Speaker 2: a computer or a system to access classified government materials

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Speaker 2: and then get those for Chelsea or with Chelsea Manning,

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Speaker 2: because you know, we discussed Chelsea Manning is the person

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Speaker 2: who ended up getting a lot of that documentation that

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Speaker 2: became the IRAQ warlogs and the tapes. So just the

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Speaker 2: last thing here is that, according to Jennifer Robinson, within

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Speaker 2: that indictment, there is no allegation that Assonge attempted to

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Speaker 2: hack the US government in any way to get to

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Speaker 2: gain material. There's also no allegation within that indictment that

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Speaker 2: he unlawfully accessed any government computers or systems whatsoever. That's

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Speaker 2: just just to put it out there. In conclusion, the

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Speaker 2: charges are that he had a discussion with Chelsea Manning

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Speaker 2: about how to hide her identity while accessing secret documents.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and then once that kind of stuff proceeds, if

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Speaker 1: it does indeed proceed, then we'll see those kind of

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Speaker 1: charges become increasingly specific as prosecutors explore their options. So

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Speaker 1: this naturally leads us to the next part of the update,

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Speaker 1: which is this what's on the horizon. We'll explore that

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Speaker 1: after a word from our sponsors. We've returned. So just

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Speaker 1: a few days ago, as we record this peak behind

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Speaker 1: the curtain interest of transparency. It is May sixth, Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: A lovely day outside in Atlanta. As far as I can.

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Speaker 4: Tell, Blustery, I would say, yes, I love it.

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Speaker 1: I was writing on the porch. I wish I could

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Speaker 1: record out there. Just a few days ago, Juliannassange received

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Speaker 1: word that he will have to wait until at least

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Speaker 1: September of twenty twenty before a British judge will hear

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Speaker 1: the US request for his extradition. This comes to us

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Speaker 1: from a possibly biased source. To be fair, Kristen Fraftsman,

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Speaker 1: the editor in chief of WikiLeaks. Earlier they said a

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Speaker 1: video posted on social media that it's unacceptable and confirmed

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Speaker 1: that ASSANGEO likely has to spend another four months at

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Speaker 1: least in prison, and if a hearing does come to

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Speaker 1: pass in September, that means that he will have spent

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Speaker 1: one year in prison after being dragged out of that

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Speaker 1: embassy on his what was that on his charge of

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Speaker 1: fifty weeks for jumping and bail.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that he was supposed to be let out. What'd

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Speaker 2: you say last year?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's correct. And additionally, the editor there at

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Speaker 1: WikiLeaks said he was not able to set a sounge,

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Speaker 1: that was not able to attend some earlier hearings via

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Speaker 1: video link because he was unwell. So that gives us,

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Speaker 1: unless that spin, that gives us a pretty solid argument

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Speaker 1: that at least in his case, the health concerns are real.

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Speaker 1: Reporters said he was deteriorating mentally already when he was

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Speaker 1: in the Ecuadorian embassy.

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Speaker 3: So the fate of a Songe may actually set a

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Speaker 3: legal precedent in the United States. Regardless of where you

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Speaker 3: stand with these leaks. In particular, it can't really be

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Speaker 3: denied that they pushed the public in multiple countries to

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Speaker 3: hold politicians accountable and well attempt to do so.

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Speaker 4: Anyway.

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Speaker 3: Imagine a world where any disclosure, even if it's incredibly

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Speaker 3: vital to the public interest, becomes a crime.

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Speaker 4: And that's like dystopian kind of stuff right there.

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Speaker 3: Whistleblower protections, which have historically been better on paper than

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Speaker 3: in actual practice, have truly eroded in the time since

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Speaker 3: a Soinge was kind of at his peak. Consider that

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Speaker 3: other countries like China and Russia have already started intimidating

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Speaker 3: civilians for quote rumor mongering end quote. As we've discussed

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Speaker 3: in the COVID nineteen episodes, the scientists that reported the

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Speaker 3: early signs of that virus was accused of that very

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Speaker 3: thing and essentially blackballed and treated like a criminal. And

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Speaker 3: that was a big part of what we can now

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Speaker 3: call some form of cover up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And Russian doctors keep falling out of windows.

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Speaker 1: One fell out of a window after he made a

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Speaker 1: video update where he's protesting being forced to work despite

655
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Speaker 1: not having ppe personal protective equipment and despite having tested

656
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Speaker 1: positive for COVID, they still wanted him to work. And

657
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Speaker 1: then just a few days later he released a video

658
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Speaker 1: where he said that was all crazy. He denied any

659
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Speaker 1: of those claims, everything was fine, and then he fell

660
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Speaker 1: out of a window. I don't know if you guys

661
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Speaker 1: would keep a track of that, but yeah, make no mistake,

662
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: there is a war for information. That war is very old,

663
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Speaker 1: but now there is a war on information.

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Speaker 4: Hmm.

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Speaker 2: This is very true and you can see that depending

666
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Speaker 2: on the outcome of Julian Osandra's situation, this could have

667
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Speaker 2: a supreme impact on the future of potential whistleblowers like

668
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Speaker 2: you were saying, Noel, And it has a lot to

669
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Speaker 2: do with the fact that if you decide to leak

670
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Speaker 2: information somewhere and you could be hunted down essentially by

671
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Speaker 2: the government that you were blowing the whistle on. I mean,

672
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Speaker 2: it would really set a precedent for that. And the

673
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Speaker 2: big problem here it bans from the individual whistleblower to

674
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Speaker 2: the outlets, the major news outlets that cover stories about

675
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Speaker 2: leaked information. If if you're recalled, during the Iraq warlogs

676
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Speaker 2: Saga of twenty ten, as well as the diplomatic cables,

677
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 2: the DNC emails, these were major releases done in conjunction

678
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Speaker 2: with newspapers. It wasn't just WikiLeaks putting out information in

679
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Speaker 2: with the Iraq warlogs. That was the Guardian, that was

680
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Speaker 2: the New York Times. I think Despiegel released part of

681
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Speaker 2: that information. They all kind of segmented it out. It

682
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Speaker 2: was all, you know, major news outlets releasing leaked material

683
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Speaker 2: via WikiLeaks. And this is something we have to remember.

684
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Speaker 2: Major news outlets, let's say, like the Guardian or the

685
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Speaker 2: New York Times, these news outlets have on their sites

686
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Speaker 2: easily accessible methods for anyone to anonymously provide newsworthy information

687
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Speaker 2: to those outlets. Essentially, if we're thinking about it in

688
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Speaker 2: this framework, aiding and abetting potential whistleblowers. And we have

689
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Speaker 2: two examples of this. You can go to the Guardian

690
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Speaker 2: dot com slash secure drop right now to check out

691
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Speaker 2: the way that they want you to give them leaked

692
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Speaker 2: information or to leak them information securely and anonymously. You

693
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Speaker 2: can also go to ny times dot com slash tips

694
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Speaker 2: to see how The New York Times wants you to

695
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Speaker 2: do it. They're suggesting that you use WhatsApp and signal

696
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: and secure drop to make contact with them and then

697
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 2: to send them materials. And you know, if the whistleblower

698
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Speaker 2: individual falls because of Julian Osandra's situation, it would also

699
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Speaker 2: make sense that perhaps the you know, journalism is the

700
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: way we understand it, leaked important information would become in

701
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Speaker 2: some ways illegal.

702
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then maybe your past actions could become prosecutable offenses.

703
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Speaker 1: There's one thing. I did this on a different show.

704
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Speaker 1: I wanted to mention this to you guys because I

705
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: thought you would find it interesting, and hopefully you will too,

706
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: fellow listeners, speaking of censorship, a completely different person who

707
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: perhaps sees themselves as a whistleblower has run into what

708
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Speaker 1: they say as a conspiracy of censorship. David Ike just

709
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Speaker 1: had his YouTube channel deleted. Will not be going back up.

710
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: I think around nine hundred thousand subscribers. His Facebook page

711
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: was also deleted because the tech companies are instituting a

712
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Speaker 1: ban against anybody spreading misinformation about the coronavirus. So, as

713
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: you can imagine, there are a lot of people who

714
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: are saying, yes, you have to do this because he's

715
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Speaker 1: endangering lives, which is similar to the argument made by

716
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Speaker 1: the US government about assage. And then you have people

717
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: who are saying, you know, I might not agree with

718
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Speaker 1: this guy at all, but he is he is exercising

719
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: free speech. It's a little sticky there, you know, when

720
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Speaker 1: we start to navigate the idea of public safety, censorship,

721
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Speaker 1: free speech, because with great speech comes great responsibility, does

722
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Speaker 1: it not, And you know, you have to ask yourself

723
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Speaker 1: about the platform there. But but tech companies are a

724
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Speaker 1: little different, of course, because it's their sandbox. They make

725
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Speaker 1: the rules, they can do whatever they want. I just

726
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: think it's interesting that we're seeing more and more of

727
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Speaker 1: these these information conflicts rising to the foe. And this

728
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Speaker 1: is in no way an endorsement of David Ike.

729
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Speaker 2: Yeah, assuredly.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

731
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Speaker 2: I just wanted to bring this up where we're talking

732
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Speaker 2: about kind of the control of speech on outlets like that,

733
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Speaker 2: on platforms such as YouTube. I just wanted to mention

734
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Speaker 2: to you guys. I don't know if you saw the

735
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 2: email come through. We got contacted by our old pals

736
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: at All Time Conspiracies. Some of you older conspiracy realists

737
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: may remember a time on YouTube when we made some

738
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Speaker 2: videos with the guys on this channel called All Time Conspiracies,

739
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: and I did a little catching up with them, and

740
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: they've written back to us. They went through the exact

741
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: same issues we did with the YouTube algorithm and their

742
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: content being suppressed essentially because they were talking about political issues,

743
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: conspiratorial issues, and they ended up having to shutter their

744
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 2: channel and they've moved on. So if anyone is interested

745
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: they want to do an episode with us, They've got

746
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 2: a podcast now similarly to ours. So I thought that

747
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: might be a fun matchup mash up in the podcast

748
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: world now instead of on video, just to talk about

749
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: what happened to our YouTube channels.

750
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Speaker 1: I would be interested in that for sure. What do

751
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Speaker 1: you think, Nol?

752
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Yeah, no, I mean always down for a good

753
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 3: collab with like minded folks.

754
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Speaker 1: And this leads us to one more potential development. So

755
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: we are at a we are at a branch. We

756
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: are possible forks in the road, and as Yogi Bearrap

757
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: You'll announcer famously said, when you come to a fork

758
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: in the road take it. Sorry that jokes for you, Dad,

759
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: But this we do see some very important, mutually exclusive

760
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 1: things on the horizon. One of these things is going

761
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Speaker 1: to happen to Julian Assange. One He may die in

762
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: prison before that extradition hearing occurs or before it is

763
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: carried through, and then for some very powerful people, a

764
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: big part of the problem would have solved itself. However,

765
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Speaker 1: we have to remember, you know, like Jay Gavera famously

766
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 1: said in his last words, shoot fool, you're only killing

767
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: a man. WikiLeaks wouldn't die if asanj did, it would continue.

768
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: It's not a perfect system, and there are allegations, as

769
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Speaker 1: I believe one of us mentioned earlier, that it has

770
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: a shifting agenda of its own, you know, including pretty

771
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: serious allegations that have partnered with Russia to wage some

772
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: sort of asymmetrical information warfare against the US. So one

773
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Speaker 1: possible occurrence is that he dies in prison. End of story.

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Speaker 2: And we're talking there, you know, about one person dying

775
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: in the movement continuing. We're also talking earlier about maybe

776
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Speaker 2: it would prevent other whistleblowers from coming forward. But if

777
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: he did die in prison, the other scenario is that

778
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: maybe more whistleblowers come forward because they see it almost

779
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 2: as a martyrdom situation, where the way he was treated

780
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Speaker 2: and how it all went down, they want to stick

781
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: it to the man essentially and continue in that legacy

782
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Speaker 2: outside of what he leaks.

783
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And now we have to ask ourselves, what

784
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Speaker 1: about the precedents If he goes to trial, it's going

785
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: to be even more crucial, you know what I mean?

786
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Speaker 2: Uh?

787
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Speaker 1: Then, I mean here, let's be a little bit idyllic,

788
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Speaker 1: at least from his perspective. What if a songe is

789
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Speaker 1: able to stay in the United Kingdom the same way,

790
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: for instance, that Edward Snowden is currently staying in Russia. Uh,

791
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: it probably won't happen. What if he's able to escape

792
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: and live on the run, you know, like that Beatles

793
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: Is it Beatles? Or is just Paul McCartney band on

794
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: the run? That's it? Thank you? Yeah? So what if

795
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: he pulls that just for the rest of his life?

796
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Speaker 5: Uh song on the run?

797
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: There we go. Yeah, we'll figure out who Sailor's saying?

798
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Speaker 1: Is that in that regard? I guess it's Uncle Sam.

799
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Speaker 1: But here's the question, what if what if Assane goes

800
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Speaker 1: to a US court, gets extra died, it goes to

801
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Speaker 1: trial and gets found somehow not guilty, it gets off

802
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: scott free. Don't worry about that too much, because that

803
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: is almost definitely not going to happen.

804
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he would end up going to jail again, right,

805
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Speaker 2: And I could I could see a scenario like that, Ben,

806
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 2: where he does end up going to jail in the

807
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Speaker 2: United States and then just goes away and then every

808
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: once in a while, one journalist from one outlet will

809
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Speaker 2: write a piece on it once a year.

810
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think one thing we can all

812
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 1: agree on, Fellas, is that Wings has an enormous fan base,

813
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, an army across the world, and they probably

814
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: won't let this story die because, you know, now that

815
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: I'm thinking back on it, I'm pretty sure that the

816
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: entire catalog of Wings is terribly prescient to the career

817
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: and the controversy that is Julian A. Sounge. I've got

818
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: I've got to look out the lyrics. This goes deep.

819
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: We need to get Paul McCartney on the phone. Who

820
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: can call Paul McCartney, Matt Noel, can you do it?

821
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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny you should say that I'm actually

822
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 3: working on a podcast with Paul McCartney's guitarist, So may

823
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 3: well have an end to Macca. Nice perfect, They call

824
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 3: him Macca. They call him Macca like the guitarist calls

825
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 3: him Mecca. That's a that's a big big Paul fans

826
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Speaker 3: call him like McCartney Macca. Oh okay, wow wow, it's

827
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Speaker 3: like a pet name.

828
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Speaker 1: Or like McDonald's slaying for in Australia like McCaw.

829
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Speaker 4: I just called him poll.

830
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Speaker 1: So so that's where we are now, and to you

831
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: from failing hands, we throw the torch, be yours to

832
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: hold it high. If you break faith with us who die,

833
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: we shall not sleep. Though poppies grow and flanders Field

834
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: went on a little longer than it needed to, but

835
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: you get the picture. We want to know two things

836
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: from you. First, what do you think should happen to

837
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: Julian Aesonge and others like him or those who come

838
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: after him? Secondly, what do you think will happen to

839
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: this notorious whistleblowing mastermind? Let us know. You can find

840
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: us on Facebook, you can find us on Instagram, you

841
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: can find us on Twitter as a show and as individuals.

842
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 2: Yes you can, and just one last question I want

843
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 2: to pose to you, what do you think the next

844
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 2: big leak will be about? Because there will be another

845
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 2: big leak.

846
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna blow this wings thing wide open.

847
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, all right, Well, we've got a nomination

848
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 2: from this side. Let us know what you think. Like

849
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: Ben said, you could find us usually at Conspiracy Stuff,

850
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: sometimes at Conspiracy Stuff show. Check out our Facebook group.

851
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 2: Here's where it gets crazy. It's fantastic stuff written by

852
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 2: fantastic people like you. So go check it out. Talk

853
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: about the shows, Let's discuss, you know, some of the minutia.

854
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: Let's talk about future episodes. Let's hang out there together

855
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 2: on Facebook. If you're into that kind of thing. If

856
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: you're not, you can always give us a call.

857
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 3: Our number is one eight three three st d w

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Speaker 3: y t K. Leave a message at the sound of

859
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 3: Ben's tone, his sultry tones, and it'll go to us.

860
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 3: All three of us have access to it. Though Matt

861
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 3: is still kind of the gatekeeper. I think Ben is

862
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 3: more the key master. But but Matt is Matt is

863
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 3: the gatekeeper.

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Speaker 2: Wait, does that mean we have to copulated? I forget

865
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Speaker 2: how Win and Ghostbusters man, whatever, whatever, whatever you need, dude,

866
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 2: you need, so.

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Speaker 1: You know, I do wonder which Ghostbusters we would be.

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Speaker 1: That's funny. I was. I got some spoilers about dan

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Speaker 1: Ackroyd possibly in the future, but we'll we'll catch up

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Speaker 1: on that down the road. Yes, as as Noel said,

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Speaker 1: give us a call. Matt is our Matt is our

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Speaker 1: phone guru. But we do all have access and we

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Speaker 1: are all listening in. It makes our day to hear

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Speaker 1: from you. Just let us know if you're comfortable with

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Speaker 1: your story, your name, or your specifics of your account

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Speaker 1: being shared on air, because we don't want to compromise you.

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Speaker 2: Or if you're cool with us, you know, intentionally or

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Speaker 2: unintentionally calling you back.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, if you're cool with us accidentally, but DIALI

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Speaker 1: and you full steam ahead. And if you hate all

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Speaker 1: of that stuff for one reason or another, we totally

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