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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: The mystery deepens with an eerie door banging riddle? Is

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Speaker 2: that connected to the murders of a young dentist and

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Speaker 2: his wife in their own home? They're taught children asleep upstairs.

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Speaker 2: It is not believed at this hour to be a

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Speaker 2: murder suicide. No weapon was found on the scene, no

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Speaker 2: forced entry. Who would murder a husband and wife in

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Speaker 2: their own home around Christmas leaving their children They're tots

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Speaker 2: upstairs to come down the next morning and find mommy

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Speaker 1: I mean, see, Grace, this.

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Speaker 2: Is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us.

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Speaker 3: An Ohio couple known for loving life, making memories, and

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Speaker 3: constantly laughing with their family and friends, a home once

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Speaker 3: filled with joy becomes the scene of an early morning tragedy.

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Speaker 2: What happened to a young dentist and his wife both

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Speaker 2: found dead in their home? Joining me an all star panel?

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Speaker 2: But what is really baffling? On top of that, another

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Speaker 2: layer is this eerie door banging riddle that occurred before

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Speaker 2: the murders at a neighbor's house. Now you've got to

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Speaker 2: stick with these nine to one one calls, because everybody

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Speaker 2: and their brother was calling nine one one about the

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Speaker 2: dentist not showing up to work and the wife not

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Speaker 1: Police go to the scene but see nothing.

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Speaker 4: Listen, I guess I would like to ask for a

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Speaker 4: wellness check on an individual at their home. This individual, Spener,

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Speaker 4: works with me, and he did not show up to

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Speaker 4: him or his family. He is always on time when

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Speaker 4: he would contact us that there is any issues whatsoever,

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Speaker 4: and at the centeral house to say this like, we're very,

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Speaker 4: very concerned because this is very out of character and

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Speaker 4: we can't get dredged with his wife, which is probably

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Speaker 4: the more concerning thing.

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Speaker 5: When doctor Spencer Tempe doesn't show up for work at

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Speaker 5: Athens Dental Depot in Columbus, Ohio, co workers are so

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Speaker 5: shocked they call their boss, the owner of Athens Dental,

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Speaker 5: doctor Mark Valrose. Valrose is on vacation in Florida, but

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Speaker 5: Spencer not showing up is so unusual coworkers felt the

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Speaker 5: need to let Valrose know. Valroz tries to contact Spencer

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Speaker 5: and failing at that, Teppe's wife, Monique, as she's even

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Speaker 5: more predictable than her husband, unable to reach either Tempee.

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Speaker 5: Valrose calls nine to one one in Columbus, Ohio at

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Speaker 5: nine oh three am, requesting a wellness check.

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Speaker 2: So immediately the nine one one calls start pouring in

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Speaker 2: where coworkers are asking for a welfare check. And let

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Speaker 2: me tell you, I'm extremely put off by the nine

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Speaker 2: to one one dispatcher. You're going to hear that in

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Speaker 2: a moment.

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Speaker 1: So the calls pouring in. Here's another one.

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Speaker 6: Let's be margency there. Our boss did not report for work.

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Speaker 6: We haven't been able to get a hold of them

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Speaker 6: for three hours. We are on site and we can hear. Okay,

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Speaker 6: I lot just somebody there, Okay, I'm just making sure

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Speaker 6: somebody calls them.

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Speaker 7: Hive at the Tepee residence at nine twenty two am,

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Speaker 7: officers knock on the front door multiple times but get

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Speaker 7: no response. Checking the door and windows, officers see no

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Speaker 7: sign of disturbance. At the back door, officers again knock

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Speaker 7: multiple times, no response, repeating the process. Officers failed to

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Speaker 7: get a response and file the report in their log book.

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Speaker 7: No response.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Tom Smith joining me formerr NYPD Detective

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Speaker 2: thirty years Narcotics, Robbery, Gang, Homicide, Anti Terrorism Task Force

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Speaker 2: now co star of the gold Shield podcast. What is

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Speaker 2: wrong with the nine to one one operator? I mean

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Speaker 2: that just stopped me in my tracks when I hear that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's very disturbing because she's not taking it seriously.

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Speaker 8: And you should take every call seriously, especially when you

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Speaker 8: have numerous calls about the same thing from different people.

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Speaker 8: That means they're on a lart and they're concerned, and

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Speaker 8: she should show that and be getting the proper response

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Speaker 8: to that location quickly and as she possibly can. And

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Speaker 8: she seemed annoyed that she was getting more and more

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Speaker 2: Nance, Yeah, you've got someone calling in upset. The woman

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Speaker 2: sounds like she's on the verge of tears and dispatches, Well,

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Speaker 2: just talk to somebody about that. Like, what's the woman

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Speaker 2: needs to be fired in the Coburger case.

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Speaker 9: Listen to this, tell me exactly what's going on.

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Speaker 10: One of our one of the roommates has passed out,

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Speaker 10: and she's young class and short lay up.

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Speaker 1: Oh and they saw some man in their house.

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Speaker 5: Use night.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, are you with the patient?

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Speaker 7: I need someone to keep the phone, stop passing.

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Speaker 13: It around, and I just tell you what happened very much.

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Speaker 11: What is going on currently as someone passed out right now?

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Speaker 6: I don't really know what pretty much at Thorian?

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Speaker 13: Okay, well, I need.

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Speaker 14: To know what's going on right now.

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Speaker 15: If someone has passed out, can you.

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Speaker 12: Find that out?

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Speaker 2: She cut off Dylan Mortenson. No, they're not passed out, woman,

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Speaker 2: They're all dead. Brian Coburger murdered them. And that's just

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Speaker 2: a tip of the iceberg with that dispatch officer right

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Speaker 2: there that we were just playing in the Coburger case.

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Speaker 2: I've heard it over and over and over again. But

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Speaker 2: that's a whole another can of worms. Okay, So all

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Speaker 2: these nine one one calls are coming in. The dentist

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Speaker 2: hasn't shown up. The dentist hasn't shown up. Why are

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Speaker 2: being filled? Let's listen to more.

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Speaker 5: A coworker of Spencer goes to the Teppie residence and

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Speaker 5: calls nine to one one, explaining Teppy is or bos

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Speaker 5: The caller tries to tell dispatch they can hear kids inside,

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Speaker 5: but the dispatcher talks over the caller, telling her I

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Speaker 5: just talked to somebody there. The distract coworker apologizes, saying

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Speaker 6: Okay, we do have officers responding there. Do you know

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Speaker 6: if he's been ill or anything like that.

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Speaker 10: No, no, I was just yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 1: It gets worse.

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Speaker 2: I haven't even gotten to the two dead bodies and

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Speaker 2: the children screaming because the nine to one one dispatch

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Speaker 2: is not taking this seriously with all these calls coming in.

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Speaker 2: Keep listening.

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Speaker 6: Let's the emergency there, Please are medical.

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Speaker 10: Maybe both. I guess I don't know. I'm kind of

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Speaker 6: We had a call out there. They knocked on the

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Speaker 10: Yeah, no answer. I can hear kids inside, and I

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Speaker 10: swear I think I heard one yell, but we can't

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Speaker 3: What if Spencer's friends goes to the Teppie home and

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Speaker 3: calls nine at nine fifty seven am. Dispatch tell the

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Speaker 3: friend officers have already been to the location and knocked

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Speaker 3: no answer. I can hear kids inside, and I think

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Speaker 3: I heard one yell explaining how he hasn't been able

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Speaker 2: Straight out to investigative reporter, journalist, author of Down the Hill,

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Speaker 2: My Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi. You know

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Speaker 2: her well, Susan Hendrick. Susan, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not sure. I'm just playing a selection of

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Speaker 2: nine one one calls to dispatch. Who's getting more and

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Speaker 2: more pod that's a Latin phrase from law school, and

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Speaker 2: they're like, we sent somebody, they and they left.

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Speaker 1: Nobody answered.

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Speaker 2: But then you've got neighbors and co workers now all

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Speaker 2: walking around the house and they hear a child screaming inside,

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Speaker 2: and the dispatch officer just really was just too busy

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Speaker 2: doing her nails.

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Speaker 14: Absolutely, Nancy. You could hear it in her voice.

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Speaker 16: And her pause is even I was listening to all

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Speaker 16: the nine one one calls and she's thinking he's just

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Speaker 16: late for work.

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Speaker 14: She has a.

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Speaker 16: Preconceived notion about what's going on here. But the first

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Speaker 16: call is what is a bit odd to me. It

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Speaker 16: came in around eight fifty eight. The office opens at

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Speaker 16: eight a m. Spencer lives about seventy three miles from work,

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Speaker 16: So if you put the timeline together, he's what less

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Speaker 16: than an hour late to work and someone's calling nine

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Speaker 16: one one for a wellness check.

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Speaker 14: To me, that stands out. It truly does.

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Speaker 10: Well.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Susan Hendricks,

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Speaker 2: it would be like me going to court. Yeah, court

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Speaker 2: starts at nine o'clock, but I've got to get together

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty brand new files for arrangment, plea deals,

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Speaker 2: you name it, have everything ready before I walk in

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Speaker 2: that courtroom. So I would expect him to just run

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Speaker 2: on him typically getting there before the first appointment. What

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Speaker 2: do you think about that?

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Speaker 14: Absolutely?

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Speaker 16: But during that first call, it's the boss in Florida.

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Speaker 16: Why didn't he think, I don't know, maybe it's a

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Speaker 16: car accident, the roads were icy. He just went straight

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Speaker 16: to wellness check because the nine to one one officer said,

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Speaker 16: have you heard about anything about an accident? Is there

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Speaker 16: any sort of illness here? Again an attitude with the

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Speaker 16: to me. And that's based on my experiences. If my

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Speaker 16: a wellness check.

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Speaker 14: I'd say, well calling around to friends.

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Speaker 16: Instead of the accident. He didn't say, ooh, maybe he

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Speaker 16: did get in a car accident. And he also mentioned

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Speaker 16: the wife. He found it quote unquote even.

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Speaker 14: More strange that she wasn't answering.

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Speaker 16: Something seems off to me. Maybe not, but obviously it's

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Speaker 16: something you're looking into.

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Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. But I'm wondering if he

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Speaker 2: tried the mail victim and the dentist on the phone,

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Speaker 2: no answer, he's let's just say, an hour late. If

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Speaker 2: for the first appointment, and I'm guessing the mom would

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Speaker 2: typically have been at home with the children in this scenario. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. And it cannot be discounted.

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Speaker 2: It can't. Right now, my mind is stuck on the

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Speaker 2: neighbors and the coworkers walking all they finally go to

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Speaker 2: the home. Now, remember Dispatch, while she's doing her nails,

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Speaker 2: has just said we send somebody out there. They knocked

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Speaker 2: on the door, nothing happened. Okay, listen to this.

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Speaker 7: Another friend calls nine to one one and tells the

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Speaker 7: and he thought he heard one of the children yelling.

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Speaker 7: Other friends arrive at the Teppee home, as well as

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Speaker 7: coworkers who are walking around the house, some in the front,

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Speaker 7: some in the back. Nine one one dispatch is receiving

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Speaker 7: calls back to back from the same address, each trying

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Speaker 7: to get help for their friends, not knowing others. We're

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Speaker 7: called at the same time.

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Speaker 2: So when the calls are made, you hear a dispatch again,

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Speaker 2: I guess, still doing her nails.

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Speaker 1: State we send somebody.

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Speaker 2: They not There was no answer, there's nothing to see.

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Speaker 2: And then another call comes in.

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Speaker 6: Listen, what's changed the last person I talked?

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Speaker 2: Doctor Priya, thank you for being with us. Why does

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Speaker 18: Well, nine one one calls are typical in the majority

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Speaker 18: And in this situation there's multiple nine one one calls.

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Speaker 18: There's a lot of probitive value in these calls.

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Speaker 2: Nancy, Guys, we're showing you video of the wedding of

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Speaker 2: That video is from robt Mislaw on YouTube. Straightened back

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Speaker 2: out to Susan Hendricks, investigative reporter and author. Tell me

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Speaker 16: The murder weapon was a gun. Spencer was shot twice,

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Speaker 16: Monique once. Does that mean that Spencer was the target.

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Speaker 16: I'm sure investigators are looking into that was someone after Spencer?

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Speaker 16: Was anyone in his life angry at him?

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Speaker 2: I need to know more, though, Susan Hendricks, And you're right.

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Speaker 2: Normally the victim with the most gunshot wounds is the victim.

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Speaker 2: Although Tom Smith, a veteran NYPD now star up Goalshields podcast, Tom,

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Speaker 2: it could have been equally likely a scenario of they

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Speaker 2: I believe three cases. What does that tell you, Tom?

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Speaker 8: Well, because in order to load a nine millimeter you

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Speaker 2: CoA Lorimaru. CoA. Thanks for being with us very quickly.

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Speaker 2: I want to follow up on what Tom Smith just said.

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Speaker 1: Explain to me how show.

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Speaker 2: Me how DNA can be left on a casing when

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Speaker 15: Well, Nancy, this right here is a nine millimeters round.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I see what you're saying, Tom, Thank you. CoA

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace back to this scenario. Also

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Speaker 2: to doctor Joni Johnston joining US forensics psychologist private investigator.

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Speaker 2: She performs threat and risk assessments on violent offenders and

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Speaker 2: she's the author of Serial Killers one hundred and one

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Speaker 2: heard Susan Hendricks, and she may be right. Hypothesize that

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Speaker 2: Guys two children in the home, which leads me to

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Speaker 2: So there's got to be ring doorbell cam. And I'm

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Speaker 7: As investigators begin this search for a killer, they first

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Speaker 3: Spencer and Monique Teppe are just days away from celebrating

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Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier an eerie door banging incident. A real

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Speaker 16: a back alley of sorts, and this is at of course,

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Speaker 16: at odd.

442
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Speaker 14: Time two to five am. So is that the killer?

443
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Speaker 16: And I thought that to Delphi when I heard people

444
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Speaker 16: asking do you know that gate?

445
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Speaker 14: Do you know that walk? And appears he.

446
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Speaker 16: Knows the area because you see him kind of ducking

447
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Speaker 16: or maybe knowing there's a camera in the vicinity.

448
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Speaker 14: Is that the guy? If it is, it looks like

449
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Speaker 14: he knows where he's going.

450
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Speaker 2: Guys, you just heard Susan Hendricks bring up the Delphi

451
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Speaker 2: double murders of Libby and Abbey, kidnapped off a trestle

452
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Speaker 2: bridge and a little known area. You'd have to be

453
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Speaker 2: a local to know it. It was a big walking

454
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Speaker 2: area for locals, densely forested, and he the killer, Richard

455
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Speaker 2: Allen is caught on cam by one of the two

456
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Speaker 2: little girls walking toward them and you actually hear him

457
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Speaker 2: on video saying down the hill, down the hill. His

458
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Speaker 2: gate was identifiable. He was identifiable to me. But there's

459
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Speaker 2: also another case, the Missy Beaver's murder case, which is

460
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: still unsolved. She was at the Midlothian church. Look at

461
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Speaker 2: her killer. I fully believe it's her killer. A very

462
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 2: odd gate slew footed in the left foot, left foot

463
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Speaker 2: slew footed and when you slow it down you can

464
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Speaker 2: see it even more, very unusual gate. Could the killer

465
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Speaker 2: be identified by the gate? Let's go back to the

466
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Speaker 2: case in chief, the dentist and his wife gunned down

467
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Speaker 2: children upstairs. Let's look at the guy again. Dave mac

468
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Speaker 2: joining me, Crime Stories, investigative reporter. Let's talk about the video.

469
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Speaker 2: Susan's already told us it was between two and five am.

470
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Speaker 2: And how does that jibe with the time we believe

471
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Speaker 2: the killings went.

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Speaker 20: Down based on the timeline that police have already created, Nancy,

473
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Speaker 20: they say that they're talking about two am to five

474
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Speaker 20: a as the time.

475
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Speaker 21: That this action took place inside the home, and that

476
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Speaker 21: timetable we're looking at for the guy walking in the

477
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Speaker 21: alley is during that time period.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious about the neighborhood. I don't see anybody else

479
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: walking around between two and five am. See the person walking.

480
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Speaker 2: It looks like people part their cars as you like

481
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Speaker 2: you pull in in front of the house. See on

482
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Speaker 2: both sides of the street. I see cars parked in

483
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Speaker 2: front of the homes, like where you put your trash

484
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Speaker 2: out right there on the street. They look to be

485
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Speaker 2: condos or two three story narrow homes. So why is

486
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Speaker 2: he walking up and down in a residential area at

487
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Speaker 2: five o'clock two o'clock am, Susan, what can you tell

488
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Speaker 2: me about the neighborhood.

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Speaker 16: I do know that there's only one bar in the

490
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Speaker 16: area that's open, because Spencer's in law came out to say, like, hey,

491
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Speaker 16: let's not jump to any conclusions. Maybe it is the

492
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Speaker 16: murder or maybe it's not. And there is just.

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Speaker 14: One bar that's open at that time. So was he there.

494
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Speaker 16: I'm sure the investigators are going there to decide. It

495
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 16: just seems odd, right, This screed looks very different. By

496
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Speaker 16: the way Nancy as you stated, during the day during

497
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Speaker 16: normal hours.

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Speaker 14: It appears he knew this this route, knew what to do,

499
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Speaker 14: and planned it.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, so this is a residential area. Who

501
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Speaker 2: is this guy walking up and down right near the home.

502
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Speaker 2: It's obviously caught on ring cam. Looks to me like,

503
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Speaker 2: that's what that is, Dave, Matt, what can you tell me?

504
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Speaker 21: Actually, Ansy the nest video is captured behind the home.

505
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Speaker 21: There's an alley. You mentioned how these homes are very

506
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Speaker 21: close together and going straight up right, Well, this is

507
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Speaker 21: actually behind the home. It's in an alleyway. And to

508
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Speaker 21: what Miss Hendricks just said a minute ago, somebody walking

509
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Speaker 21: down that alley between two am and five am is

510
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Speaker 21: it's going to be very familiar with the neighborhood to

511
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Speaker 21: know where they are and where they're going in that alleyway.

512
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Speaker 2: That neighborhood video from WSYX ABC six. I'm so glad

513
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Speaker 2: you told me that, Dave mac I was trying to

514
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Speaker 2: orient what am I saying because it doesn't look like

515
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Speaker 2: the daytime street view. And I lived on an alley

516
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Speaker 2: like that in midtown Atlanta while I was a prosecutor.

517
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Speaker 2: I never went in on the street side. I would

518
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: always go in on the alley side, and you'd have

519
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: to know that Ali was there. So let me look

520
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Speaker 2: at that video one more time. To Thomas Smith joining me,

521
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Speaker 2: former NYPD now starve goalshialds. What can you glean from this?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Na, there's a couple of things that are very

523
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Speaker 8: telling in this video. One, I truly believe he knows

524
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Speaker 8: the area. And here's why. If you look at the

525
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Speaker 8: last frame of this video, he intentionally gets spooked by

526
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Speaker 8: something and makes a dr change in his walk. He

527
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 8: covers his face even more and kind of leans away

528
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Speaker 8: towards the camera. So either one of two things happened

529
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Speaker 8: at that moment. Either he realizes there's a camera in

530
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Speaker 8: that area and who would know that but someone familiar

531
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Speaker 8: with that area, or there's someone walking near him that

532
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Speaker 8: spooks him and he covers himself up a little more.

533
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Speaker 8: So what investigators need to do is timestamp that video

534
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Speaker 8: and put it out to the public to see if

535
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Speaker 8: anyone else was in that area during that time.

536
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Speaker 2: And notice this, right Derek Smith joining me veteran try

537
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Speaker 2: a lawyer, defense attorney. Derek, it does look like he's

538
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Speaker 2: trying to hide his face, much like Richard Allen did

539
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Speaker 2: with the hoodie on. But you hunk Cross exam with

540
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: this would have a field day. Why, according to you,

541
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Speaker 2: does it prove nothing.

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Speaker 18: Because all we have is a video of a person

543
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Speaker 18: walked in a public area. You know, he like the

544
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Speaker 18: former I'm sorry, the prosecutor said earlier. The investigator. He

545
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 18: may know where things are because he's looking down, or

546
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Speaker 18: he's just maybe coming from that local bar. He's just

547
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 18: maybe got a little bit of a headache, a little

548
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Speaker 18: bit of a buzz, maybe he's tired. We're all jumping

549
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Speaker 18: to conclusions here on this one video, and we could

550
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Speaker 18: be just grasping its straws because I understand you have

551
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Speaker 18: to have every little piece of evidence to move the

552
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Speaker 18: investigation forward. But now we have this person who could

553
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Speaker 18: be mining their own business. Now they're going to be

554
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Speaker 18: harassed by media and law enforcement over something like this.

555
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Speaker 14: All right, come on.

556
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Speaker 2: He actually wins cases like that, guys.

557
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Speaker 3: Police find the couple shot on the second floor of

558
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Speaker 3: the home. The children are physically unharmed, but Spencer Monique

559
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: Teppe suffer multiple gunshot wounds. Both are pronounced dead, turning

560
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Speaker 3: into a double homicide investigation.

561
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Speaker 2: Tonight, new evidence of an airy door banging riddle near

562
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Speaker 2: the same of the murder. How can that help me

563
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: prove who committed the murder? First of all, let's hear

564
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: that nine will one call?

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Speaker 12: That's the emergency? Okay, someone's singing and knocking? Do you

566
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Speaker 12: know who this is? Do you have a description of them?

567
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Speaker 12: Have you told them? If you have, you asked them

568
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Speaker 12: what they want or if they need something? Okay, what's

569
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Speaker 12: your name? I'm sorry to see it again? Yeah, did

570
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Speaker 12: your phone number?

571
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Speaker 8: And then.

572
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Speaker 12: Yeah, okay, all right, I've got to sent up for

573
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Speaker 12: someone banging and knocking on the door. If anything else

574
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Speaker 12: places or changes, give us call back and let us know.

575
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Speaker 12: We'll get opposited there soon to you can't.

576
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Speaker 2: Does it never end with these dispatch officers? What does

577
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: she want the victim to do? Go out and say, hi,

578
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: come on in, by the way, what's your name? And

579
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: can I get a good id on you? Right now?

580
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: Completely completely not helpful. Let's take a listen to what

581
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Speaker 2: she said, very carefully. The woman says, they're smashing on

582
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: my door. I think they're trying to get in. They're

583
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: banging on my doors doors, more than one door, So

584
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Speaker 2: to you, Susan Hendrick's investigative reporter. What does that tell

585
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Speaker 2: you they're going from door to door trying to get in.

586
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Speaker 14: I have so many questions about these nine to one

587
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 14: one calls.

588
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Speaker 16: Was that commonplace? Does that play into the attitude? No

589
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 16: excuse though on that? But is it connected at all?

590
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 16: Did the person who was banging on the door? I

591
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 16: think it was Spencer's house. We don't know right now.

592
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Speaker 16: You can explain away a lot of things. Can you

593
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 16: explain every single way? So the banging on the door

594
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Speaker 16: is concerning for me, Nancy. It's in that area and

595
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 16: it happened just eleven days before the murders.

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Speaker 14: To me, that is frightening. But how many nine more

597
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 14: more calls come in of that?

598
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Speaker 16: If someone trying to break an enter? She said she

599
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Speaker 16: didn't know the person. To me, it feels like, how

600
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Speaker 16: could it not be connected?

601
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Speaker 14: But maybe it's not.

602
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Speaker 2: Well. Also, it's several eleven days before the dentist and

603
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Speaker 2: his wife are murdered. It's right down the street from

604
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Speaker 2: the murder, saying. And also it's around two thirty a m.

605
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Speaker 2: So the comparisons are starting to add up. Two things coincident,

606
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Speaker 2: three things. Uh, there's a pattern, Tom Smith, You've got

607
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: the same neighborhood, just a few houses down. You've got

608
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Speaker 2: a little over a week ahead of time. You've got

609
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Speaker 2: someone going to a female victim's home trying to get

610
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: into multiple doors, and it's around the same time frame,

611
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Speaker 2: between two and five am.

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Speaker 1: That could be prob but of what can it tell me?

613
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 2: Does that mean that the killer is random just trying

614
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 2: to get into doors or is it nothing?

615
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Speaker 8: But the problem, Nancy is we'll never know because why

616
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 8: was it a car or an officer dispatched to that

617
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 8: job to identify that person, to find out who they are,

618
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Speaker 8: why they're there? Why you banging on this door? And

619
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Speaker 8: might have prevented if it is the same person and

620
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Speaker 8: it is length prevented a double homicide. I don't understand

621
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Speaker 8: why the dispatcher just blew it off and said, well,

622
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Speaker 8: if they come back, call me again. Well by that time,

623
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Speaker 8: first of all, it could be too late and she

624
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 8: can be dead. So I don't understand the whole dispatcher

625
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 8: world in that area of just blowing these nine one

626
00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 8: one calls off the way they did.

627
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: Straight back to Derek Smith. That are in trial lawyers.

628
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: So Derek Smith, you've heard the caller dialing nine one one.

629
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Speaker 2: I guess you don't think there's any connection between the

630
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: airy door banging riddle and the murders.

631
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Speaker 18: Oh so you're telling me some people come to this

632
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 18: house unexpectedly, there's nine one one calls, and now we

633
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 18: have a noise next door, and we're going to think

634
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Speaker 18: that's somehow related to the actual murder that took place.

635
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 18: Do we even have any idea when the murder took place?

636
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 18: We're talking about a flood of calls that we heard

637
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Speaker 18: from the nine to one one dispatch, because hey, you

638
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 18: know people have already called on this. Then we have

639
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 18: people actually going to the residence. Well, of course neighbors

640
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 18: are going to look out and say, why are all

641
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 18: these people here? This is a regular morning. What's going on?

642
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Speaker 18: And you somehow think there's a connection between that and

643
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 18: the murder? Yeah, I'm sorry, that's a stretch there, Nancy.

644
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Speaker 2: Okay, Derek, I see where you're coming from, but I

645
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 2: can't rule it out as being connected yet. Let's take

646
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Speaker 2: another Listen to it.

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Speaker 12: It's the emergency.

648
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Speaker 11: Asking doors.

649
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 12: You'll bring you Okay, someone's saying and knock in? Do

650
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 12: you know who this is?

651
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 8: No?

652
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 12: Do you have a description of them? Have you told

653
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Speaker 12: them if you have, you asked them what they want

654
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Speaker 12: or if they need something. Okay, what's your name? I'm

655
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Speaker 12: sorry to say it again. Yeah, there's your phone number?

656
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 10: And then.

657
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Speaker 12: Yeah, okay, all right, I've got to sent up for

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Speaker 12: someone banging and knocking on the door. If anything else

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Speaker 12: placed or changes, give us call back and let us out.

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Speaker 12: We'll get opposited there as soon as we can.

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Speaker 10: Sorry.

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Speaker 3: Columbus police respond to a domestic dispute called the Tappy

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Speaker 3: Residence a few months prior. Officers later report the couple

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Speaker 3: tells them no physical violence occurred and that police assistance

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Speaker 3: is no longer needed.

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Speaker 2: Much has been made about a prior we think domestic call.

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Speaker 2: What does that mean? That means typically a man and

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Speaker 2: a woman are arguing within a residence and it's coming

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Speaker 2: to blows. Is it connected, It's from this home, it's

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Speaker 2: from the home of the victims. Let's listen to it.

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Speaker 10: Hello, Hey, there's name one one. We just got to

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Speaker 10: hang up call. Is everything okay?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm okay, ay, sure, yeah, yeah, I'm okay. Sorry.

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Speaker 10: Well, it sounds like you're crying. Do you need police,

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Speaker 10: paramedics or anything?

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Speaker 11: No, no, no, I'm okay, I'm just emotional. Okay.

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Speaker 10: Can I ask what had you call a name one

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Speaker 10: in the first place? You having an argument with somebody?

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Speaker 10: I'm okay, did anything ever get physical?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 10: You guys are just arguing. Nobody hit each other. All right, man, Well,

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Speaker 10: I have the information here, I can go ahead and

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Speaker 10: tell the officers to cancel hit anybody your address therefore? Yes, okay, sorry.

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Speaker 2: Finally a nine to one one dispatch officer. That sounds

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Speaker 2: interested and like they care about what happens. Now, Susan Hendrix.

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Speaker 2: There has been some discussion that that is not the

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Speaker 2: murder of victim Monique absolutely.

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Speaker 16: Spencer's brother in law, married to Spencer's sister, came out

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Speaker 16: right away and said, if you know Monique, you know

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Speaker 16: it's not her voice. They'd like to have parties people over,

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Speaker 16: and it was apparently, he said, a woman who was

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Speaker 16: at that party made the call.

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Speaker 14: I believe he said right outside of that home.

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Speaker 16: But that it wasn't Monique and it had nothing to

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Speaker 16: do with them, and that they had a great marriage.

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Speaker 16: So saying that that had nothing to do with.

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Speaker 2: Them, what could be the motive? Is there a person

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Speaker 2: of interest? Is this domestic relations call connected. Let's hear

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Speaker 2: the call one more time.

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Speaker 10: Please, Can I ask what had you call a name

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Speaker 10: on one in the first place?

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Speaker 11: You have an argument with some but I'm okay, I promise.

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Speaker 10: Did anything ever get physical? No, you guys are just arguing.

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Speaker 10: Nobody hit each other. Okay, all right, man, Well I

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Speaker 10: have the information here, I can go ahead and tell

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Speaker 10: the officers the council hit anybody your address there us back?

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Speaker 11: Okay, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: And we have an ear witness insisting that is not

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Speaker 2: the murder victim Monique calling about admrel domestic relations n

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Speaker 2: I'm on one call, okay to you try a lawyer

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Speaker 2: Derek Smith joining us.

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Speaker 7: What of it?

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Speaker 18: So you're telling me that there was a call for

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Speaker 18: domestic violence prior to this murder and nobody showed up

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Speaker 18: to investigate that. I mean a couple's getting arguments. I mean,

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Speaker 18: no marriage is perfect, and if it is, then good

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Speaker 18: for them. But yeah, sometimes he arguments happen, maybe a

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Speaker 18: phone call or two to the police out of fear,

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Speaker 18: out of necessity. But why has there been no follow up?

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Speaker 18: How come there's no police reports about this? If they

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Speaker 18: actually came to the house and investigated this call. Well,

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Speaker 18: we're gonna have testimony from the alleged perpetrator in the

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Speaker 18: alleged victim about what happened and why police were called.

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Speaker 18: Is that even here or again, is it just a

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Speaker 18: phone call because maybe there was some confusion, maybe something

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Speaker 18: was going on, maybe the victim was setting somebody up. No,

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Speaker 18: we're still in the very early parts of this, Nancy.

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Speaker 18: Just because there's domestic violence, we're going to point out

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Speaker 18: a murder suicide or possibly point the finger at one

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Speaker 18: of these two victims. Again, come on, what are we

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Speaker 18: doing here?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what, I would really blast you on

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Speaker 2: everything you just said, except for the over arching fact

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Speaker 2: that this was not a murder suicide. So whether there

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Speaker 2: had or had not been domestic violence in the past,

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Speaker 2: it's irrelevant as to the murder because neither one of

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Speaker 2: them did it. See so maybe there was, maybe there wasn't,

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Speaker 2: But it's irrelevant here because neither one of them, either

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Speaker 2: the aggressor or the victim in that prior, is the killer.

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Speaker 2: So it's mute.

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Speaker 15: They're not alive, right, They're both gone.

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Speaker 2: Oh to doctor Pria Banergy, joining US renowned board certified

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Speaker 2: forensic pathologist, anatomic pathologist, and at anchor forensic pathology. Insaulting

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Speaker 2: doctor Priya. We're getting nothing, all right, It's gonna have

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Speaker 2: to be a ring doorbell cam. The children very young,

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Speaker 2: I believe they're one and four years old, they find

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Speaker 2: their parents. Did the neighbors and coworkers show them screaming

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Speaker 2: from the outside. It's gonna have to be forensically solved. Okay, Yes,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about what we can learn from the bodies.

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Speaker 17: Well, I think it's you know, gonna be the distance determination,

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Speaker 17: how close they were shot. We know that the casings

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Speaker 17: are at the scene. That's really important, right if it's

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Speaker 17: up close and personal, we get an idea of the

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Speaker 17: caliber of gun that was used, and then of course

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Speaker 17: where they're shot.

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Speaker 2: And how long it took them to die.

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Speaker 17: The casings are also important at the scene because they're

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Speaker 17: usually ejected back into the right relative to where the

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Speaker 17: gun was from, So that'll give a positioning of the

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Speaker 17: shooter versus the decedents and this lovely couple that we're seeing.

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Speaker 14: So I think just.

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Speaker 17: Understanding the dynamic at this scene, and then you know,

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Speaker 17: really the distance, what was injured, and how long it

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Speaker 17: took for them to die. Is what the autopsy and

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Speaker 17: see an examination are going to together answer for you.

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Speaker 2: You know another issue, Tom Smith joining me, former NYPD

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Speaker 2: now star of gold Shields podcast. Where in the home

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Speaker 2: where they found and if anybody on the panel knows,

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Speaker 2: please pipe in. Were they in their beds? Were they upfront?

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Speaker 2: You know, we saw the front door. Why would they

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Speaker 2: be there between two and five am? Did someone tried

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Speaker 2: to come in the home like they did with the

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Speaker 2: neighbor and they both went to the door and ended

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Speaker 2: up getting shot. What would have been the motivation at

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Speaker 2: two o'clock in the morning at best to bam on

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Speaker 2: a door just to shoot somebody that's unconnected to that

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Speaker 2: seems far fetched to me. This seems like it was

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Speaker 2: more targeted. Were they asleep like Rob and Michelle Reiner were,

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Speaker 2: What would you be looking for at the saying Tom.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, we know there's no forced entry, so that

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Speaker 8: is concerning. So they either let themselves in because they

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Speaker 8: knew the pass code, because they've been at that residence

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Speaker 8: before at the numerous parties that this couple had and

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Speaker 8: it's somebody they know, or they knocked on the door

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Speaker 8: and one of them answered it and they were forced

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Speaker 8: back into their bedroom. So one of those two things happened.

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Speaker 8: The entry of just getting in is still unknown, and

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Speaker 8: that's what you know part of this investigation is going

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Speaker 8: to be. Another telling sign is the children not being harmed,

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Speaker 8: and actually the dog who was in the residence not

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Speaker 8: being harmed as well.

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Speaker 10: So I agree with you.

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Speaker 8: This was in my mind an absolute targeted hit of

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Speaker 8: one of these two individuals. And it's going to take

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Speaker 8: the background check of both of their pasts, their social

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Speaker 8: media accounts, their relationships, interviews that were done with others

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Speaker 8: of where their relationship stood or past ones is going

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Speaker 8: to be very important with this.

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Speaker 2: And again that domestic relations call many believe is not

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Speaker 2: connected to this couple. Their practically newly weds have only

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Speaker 2: been together five years. A one year old and a

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Speaker 2: four year old left without either a mother or a father.

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Speaker 2: Spencer and Monique Teppe now dead, their children orphans. Who

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Speaker 2: did this? If you know or think you know anything,

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Speaker 2: please call Columbus police. Six one four six four five

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Speaker 2: two two two eight six one four six four five

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Speaker 2: two two two eight. And now we remember an American hero.

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Speaker 2: Deputy share of Justin May Blunt County Sheriff's Tennessee, killed

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Speaker 2: in the line of duty, leaving behind a grieving mother

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Speaker 2: can you imagine, and his brothers, American hero Deputy Sheriff

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Speaker 2: Justin Maury Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,