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Speaker 1: Joe Montana and Steve Young and Jerry Rice and even

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Speaker 1: Jim harbought candlestick. There's something nostalgic about that. So I've

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Speaker 1: never been there. I think I was supposed to advance.

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Speaker 1: I ended up going to another city and someone else went.

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Speaker 1: But they've been good for thirty plus years. The stadium

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Speaker 1: is so historic and it's just it's just it's an

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Speaker 1: awesome place. It's just it pops on television. Everyone knows

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Speaker 1: when you say the word lambo exactly what you mean

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Speaker 1: whenever you see someone on social media or whatever. I

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Speaker 1: got the chance to go to lambeau Field and just

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Speaker 1: go to I'm not even a Packer fan and just

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Speaker 1: went to the game. Obviously, the lambeau Leap is something

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Speaker 1: that just is very special in all of football at

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Speaker 1: any level, and it's just really really cool. And the

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Speaker 1: Packers because of their success. I've been to a lot

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Speaker 1: of games against them on the road. I've seen them

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Speaker 1: sell out against the Raiders. I've seen them sell out

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Speaker 1: against the forty nine ers. A lot of you that

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Speaker 1: if you've been to a game that your team's played

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Speaker 1: the Packers, A lot of Packer fans, And this is

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Speaker 1: a team that plays kind of in the middle of

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Speaker 1: nowhere and it's not some big, you know, metropolis, urban

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Speaker 1: major city, and they feel like one of the star

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Speaker 1: warts of the NFL. And I think obviously a big

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Speaker 1: reason is because of the quarterback, because of the success,

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Speaker 1: but you could also argue it's because of the staple

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Speaker 1: in lambeau Field. I would say Ryan Poll's tenure early

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Speaker 1: on was rocky. He made a trade that was pretty

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Speaker 1: embarrassing when he traded for Chase Claypool. But I don't

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Speaker 1: care who you look at. It could be Bill Walsh,

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Speaker 1: Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick. Everyone makes bad moves. Obviously, when

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Speaker 1: you don't have a a long resume on the job

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Speaker 1: as the boss and you're new to a job, a

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Speaker 1: move early on in your career that's bad is magnified.

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Speaker 1: Right when Belichick would make shitty moves in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: no one cares. It's like, well, I have won four

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Speaker 1: Super Bowls and planning on went a couple more and

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Speaker 1: I'll see in three more AFC Championship games. Right. So,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Poles, I would say, has to quote dumb and

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Speaker 1: dumber totally redeemed himself because I think there's a chance

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Speaker 1: that the Bears trade with the Carolina Panthers will go

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Speaker 1: down as the greatest transaction in the history of American sports.

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Speaker 1: I looked at it today. It is insane and it

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Speaker 1: got me thinking because yesterday when I was recording the podcast,

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Speaker 1: I'd already recorded the main part of the podcast. When

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Speaker 1: were starting the mailbag, news broke about DJ Moore getting

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Speaker 1: a massive extension. I mean, the dude had ninety six catches,

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Speaker 1: thirteen hundred plus yards and eight touchdowns with I mean

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Speaker 1: multiple different quarterbacks, most of could not throw very well.

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Speaker 2: What Dj Moore.

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Speaker 1: Is a stud. He was part of the deal. And listen,

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Speaker 1: anytime you make a trade, even if it's for a

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Speaker 1: great player or a big Draft day trade, there's luck involved.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it, there is luck involved in

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Speaker 1: most transactions. I heard a story when I was in

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Speaker 1: Tahoe about Joe Lacup, the owner of the Warriors. Well,

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Speaker 1: he accumulated his wealth in the investing venture capital world

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Speaker 1: and he was partners with some guys and they were

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Speaker 1: one of the first big investors into a little company

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Speaker 1: called Google. And at the time Google, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if they were quite a company based out of a garage,

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Speaker 1: but they were closer to that than what they are now,

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Speaker 1: and they were not some can't miss home run. And

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Speaker 1: from my understanding, that transaction netted him well over half

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Speaker 1: a billion dollars and the investment a couple million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Whatever it was, it's an all timer. And even when

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Speaker 1: you hear these stories, like even if you believe in

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Speaker 1: what you're doing, it's hard to think about the best

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Speaker 1: best case scenario. And I think when you look at

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Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears, it was an easy trade for them

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Speaker 1: to make because they were essentially getting three first round picks.

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Speaker 1: They were swapping to nine, they were getting the following

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Speaker 1: year's first round pick, and they were getting DJ Moore,

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Speaker 1: which Ryan Pole said we valued as a first round pick,

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Speaker 1: which I would agree with him because when they traded

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Speaker 1: for him now they gave him an extension. He was

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Speaker 1: already under his second contract, so he was a cost

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Speaker 1: controlled player. I mean, they just gave a guy an extension.

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Speaker 1: He has two more years on his deal, so they're

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Speaker 1: getting out ahead of it. They also received two second

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Speaker 1: round picks won that first year and then another one

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Speaker 1: coming in twenty twenty five. But if you look at

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Speaker 1: it from the Carolina standpoint, they traded for Bryce Young,

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Speaker 1: that's their asset. They got Bryce Young, who I've heard

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Speaker 1: is having a pretty solid camp. And listen, I'm not

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Speaker 1: trying to act like he's got no shot, but if

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Speaker 1: you watched him his rookie year, the size. Even if

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Speaker 1: you think he can get better at playing and they

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Speaker 1: do a better job coaching around him, it's just hard

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Speaker 1: to envision a guy five to nine. You know, Bucks

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Speaker 1: seventy five gotfy weighed in at two hundred at the combine.

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Speaker 1: I think that was minimum fifteen pounds of weight, So

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Speaker 1: I'll give him one to eighty four to be some

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Speaker 1: high end top fifteen player. But the Chicago Bears, now

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Speaker 1: officially with extending DJ Moore, here is what they netted

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Speaker 1: from that trade. When they traded back to nine, they

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Speaker 1: actually then did another trade with the Philadelphia Eagles just

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Speaker 1: from nine to ten and selected the guy clearly they

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Speaker 1: would have taken at nine, and they got a fourth

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Speaker 1: round pick, which they used. This year, they drafted Darnell Wright,

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Speaker 1: who started seventeen games for them at right tackle. I'm

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Speaker 1: not acting like he's the next Lane Johnson, but based

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Speaker 1: on his rookie year is pretty good. And anytime you

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Speaker 1: get a starting tackle that's a win. Well, obviously, because

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Speaker 1: of they also had a second round pick last year,

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Speaker 1: which they traded up a couple spots and got Tyreek Stevenson,

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Speaker 1: who started sixteen games for them, across from their All

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Speaker 1: Pro Pro Bowl corner Jalen Johnson. So they got a

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Speaker 1: starting tackle and a starting corner. That's just year one. Then,

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Speaker 1: because the Panthers couldn't have been any worse, it led

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Speaker 1: them to get Caleb Williams. And let's remove the corner,

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Speaker 1: the right tackle and DJ Moore. There is not a

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Speaker 1: team in the history of football.

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Speaker 4: NFL, AFL, UFL, xfl, USFLL, any European leagues who would

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Speaker 4: trade Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 1: For Bryce Young. The Panthers, obviously last year, would have

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Speaker 1: taken Caleb Williams if he had been eligible to come out.

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Speaker 1: We all said it two years ago. If Kleb Williams

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Speaker 1: could have been in that draft, he would have been

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Speaker 1: number one overall. Bick, so they got an inferior player

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Speaker 1: if it was just one to one. But the Bears

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Speaker 1: already accumulated right tackle, starting corner Dj Moore and now

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. But because of that trade with the Eagles

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Speaker 1: going back one spot, they had an extra twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four fourth round pick, and they took a punter. Who listen,

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Speaker 1: anytime you draft a kicker or a punter, great unknown

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Speaker 1: because a lot of undrafted guys at those positions come

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Speaker 1: on to be great players. This guy was the right

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Speaker 1: guy winner, So who knows. But if they get their

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Speaker 1: starting punter, their starting quarterback, starting right tackle, starting left

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Speaker 1: corner or right corner, depending on the day which angle

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Speaker 1: you're at, and Dj Moore. But we're not done yet.

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Speaker 1: We're not done. The trade is not over. They still

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Speaker 1: have a twenty twenty five second round pick coming. I

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Speaker 1: think if most of us were being objective, no bias, right,

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Speaker 1: not a Panther fan, not a Panther hater, not betting

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Speaker 1: on it or whatever, If we say, where are the

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Speaker 1: Panthers this season most likely to be drafting one through ten,

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Speaker 1: eleven through twenty or twenty one through thirty two, I

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Speaker 1: think if we did a poll like one of those

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Speaker 1: political polls, but one that actual people that you know

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Speaker 1: participated in. I think the overwhelming majority of people would

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Speaker 1: pick in the top ten. So if you're drafting in

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Speaker 1: the top ten, that means your second round pick is

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Speaker 1: usually pretty good. I was watching Giants Hard Knocks the

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Speaker 1: other night, I guess last night. Well, part of sucking

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Speaker 1: and having a top ten pick means you draft high

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Speaker 1: in the other rounds. So it's a great benefit. Because now,

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Speaker 1: granted they use their second round pick to get Brian

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Speaker 1: Burns pick thirty nine, but they had another second round pick.

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Speaker 1: I have to go look up where it came from.

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Speaker 1: But my point is when you stink. This is why

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Speaker 1: I've always defended when good teams have a rough year

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Speaker 1: or two drafting. You do know it's difficult drafting pick

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Speaker 1: twenty eight, which also means you're drafting at the end

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Speaker 1: of every round, so you are getting the shitty player

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Speaker 1: in theory in each round. It is difficult. It is

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Speaker 1: way easier to be drafting seventh and then carry over

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Speaker 1: through the rounds. You should have a good draft. If

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Speaker 1: you don't, that's on you. It's why once you're good

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Speaker 1: and you have good drafts like Veach like, you get

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Speaker 1: extra credit because you're not exactly swimming in the deep

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Speaker 1: end on that most of the talent is off the

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Speaker 1: board by the time your selection comes around. So listen,

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Speaker 1: there's luck involved in this. Even though based on what

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Speaker 1: they were getting, it was so much they had to

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Speaker 1: say yes, I would say this could not have gone

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Speaker 1: any better, and it could not be going that much better.

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Speaker 1: If Kayleb Williams becomes a top ten quarterback, I would

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Speaker 1: say regardless of these other players, you could argue it's

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Speaker 1: one of the great trades ever. If Darnel Wright is

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Speaker 1: their right tackle for the next eight nine years, If

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Speaker 1: Dj Moore continues to produce as he's been producing as

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Speaker 1: an entire career with random quarterbacks, If Tyreek Stevenson continues

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Speaker 1: to just start at corner one of the most important

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Speaker 1: positions on the field, If the if the dude they

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Speaker 1: drafted in the fourth round is just their hunter, and

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Speaker 1: if they get anything out of this twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: second round, I don't see how it's humanly possible to

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Speaker 1: do more in a trade. I think this will easily

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Speaker 1: go down as the greatest trade not in NFL history,

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Speaker 1: in American history. Maybe there have been more transcendent trades.

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Speaker 1: Babe Ruth Right was once traded, Joe Montana was traded.

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Speaker 1: The bigger individual names at the time were traded, but

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Speaker 1: just in terms of a totality of what you accumulated

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Speaker 1: for the number one overall pick. Ryan Poul should get

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Speaker 1: an extension off this alone. He really should. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how it gets any better from from

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Speaker 1: a general manager. I really don't. If I was as

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Speaker 1: an owner, I would extend him right now, just based

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Speaker 1: on looking at the information we have, based on the trade,

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Speaker 1: and that's gotta be one. And David Tepper, listen, he's

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Speaker 1: in the invested in world. He's all time stock trader.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna win them all. But it's tough when

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Speaker 1: you swing in wif on something like this. This one

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Speaker 1: is gonna be hard to shake. It's easy to go. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's water under the bridge, you know. It's sunk cost

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Speaker 1: Not sunk costs are all the same, right, Not sunk

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Speaker 1: costs are all equal. It's one thing. If you walk

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Speaker 1: in you're like, God, I bought a bunch of chicken

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Speaker 1: from Costco. It's all rotten. Whatever he spent fifty bucks

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Speaker 1: we model your whole house, have the roof leak and

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Speaker 1: ruin your entire floor a little different. I would say

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Speaker 1: they don't parallel each other, and I would put this

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Speaker 1: under one of those disastrous sunk costs.

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Speaker 3: The volume