1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: fifty six and todayan's show. I'm joined by my friend 6 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: and d i y Bow hunting Extraordinaire Andy May, to 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: answer a whole bunch of your dear hunting questions. All right, 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired Hunt podcast, brought to you by 9 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: on X. Today, we have got a great I think 10 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: a great episode in store for you because two things. 11 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: Number One, we're gonna be tackling listener questions and these 12 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: are always some of my favorite episodes because we get 13 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: to discuss exactly what you the listener want to discuss, 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: specific questions, challenges, issues that you're dealing with. So in 15 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: my mind, that's always a good thing. Number Two, I 16 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: think this is gonna be a really good one because 17 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: my good buddy and one of the best deer hunters 18 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: I know, Mr Andy May, is joining me to help 19 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: us do that. So Andy, thanks for making the time 20 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: to do this. Okay, no problem, man, this is this 21 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: is fun. I haven't done one like this, so I'm 22 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: looking forward to it. Yeah, and I feel like you've 23 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: been on I guess, I guess I'm not a hundred 24 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: percent sure on this. I'm I'm assuming that you've been 25 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: on extended leave because schools and everything have just been 26 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: shut down. So have you had to do any e 27 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: work like work from home stuff or are you are 28 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: you out completely? Nope, We've We've actually been working remotely 29 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: with our our families. I work with children with special needs, 30 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: so we've been doing contacting all of our families and 31 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: basically seeing how they want the therapy provided. Um. Some 32 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: families want, you know, like video therapy. Some Uh, families 33 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: were just emailing activities that they can do at home 34 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: that we typically would do during therapy. UM. Some families 35 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: are choosing not to participate at all. UM. So I 36 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: have a you know, a caseload of students are so 37 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: um that I have to keep in touch with weekly, 38 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: but not everybody is participating so UM. And then uh 39 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: quite a few zoom meetings and stuff. So it's it's 40 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: definitely been a reduced workload, but we're definitely still working. 41 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: And then I have a second job. Um that one 42 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: has all been has continued as well, all through just telehealth, 43 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: so like phone phone monitoring and stuff. That's cool. I 44 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: was gonna I was gonna say, Um, if you had 45 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,399 Speaker 1: just been able to spend the last two months doing 46 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: nothing but scouting, I would just be very jealous and 47 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: know that you are. You already out hunt us most years, 48 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: but if you had two full months off with nothing 49 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: but scouting to do, uh, then we'd all be in 50 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: real trouble, and animal would just be tearing it. Glad 51 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: they're still making you do a little work, and yeah 52 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: they are. I have. It's been. I mean, I'm ready. 53 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: Obviously this has been a bad situation for a lot 54 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: of people, but I've been trying to make the most 55 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: of it being outside and been doing you know, a 56 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: lot of turkey hunting, a lot of deer scouting, and 57 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: uh a lot of fishing, which is something that something 58 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: I really love to do. But over the past you know, 59 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: ten fifteen years, is kind of taking a back seat 60 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 1: to to my hunting and family times, so I don't 61 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: get out as much. But I've been out quite a 62 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: bit fishing, and so it's it's been. It's been nice. 63 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: Hidden the wally, yeah, walle I Um, I hit the 64 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: Detroit River a few times. We got you know, a 65 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: couple of limits down there. Um, and then I was 66 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: up north this past weekend and did some bass fishing. 67 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: We caught over eighty bass over the weekend, and uh 68 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: some pike and it was just it was a good time. 69 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: Were they a the bess off the beds already or 70 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: still spawning? They were actually somewhere on the beds depending 71 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: on the lake. The shallower lakes they were on the 72 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: beds um and then the cooler water lakes, so they 73 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: were kind of like pre spawned. So they were like 74 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: really really aggressive in the shallows feeding. That is fun. Yeah, 75 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: it was cool. Yeah, the Smalley's were just tearing it up. 76 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: So oh man, I'm itching to just get out and 77 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 1: do any of that kind of stuff. I've been doing 78 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: some turkey hunting, a bunch of habitat work over the 79 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: back forty. That's that's kind of been consuming my life 80 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: this spring. But I'm about to head out west to 81 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: Idaho tomorrow when we record this. It'll be tomorrow when 82 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: this actually airs, I'll be out there. But I'm itching 83 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: to get out there and do some fly fishing. So 84 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: that's uh, that's my next thing I'm looking forward to. 85 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: But but right now, Andy, we gotta stay focused. We 86 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 1: gotta talk deer because kind of crazy. But we're already 87 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: three months out from opening day for a lot of 88 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: those early season states, so it's game time here before 89 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: we know it. And I actually talked last night with 90 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: a mutual friend of ours, acquaintance friend, Joe rent Mester, 91 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: and coming out of that conversation, I just had like 92 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: a new like my excitement level got turned up a 93 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: couple of notches. My brain is shifting more and more 94 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: to getting pumped for the summer velvet time period and 95 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: all that stuff. So it's a good time for us 96 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: to be talking because I'm I'm getting amped, umho with 97 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: something else, isn't he He's good he Uh, I'll tell 98 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: you what I mean. A lot of people know who 99 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: he is, but at that age to have that, to 100 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: be that driven and have the knowledge and the skill 101 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: that he has, it's just I'm just so impressed by 102 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: that guy. Um we become buddies and talk regularly. But yeah, 103 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: he's he's he's just a great hunter. Yeah, it was 104 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: a fun conversation. You came up Actually in the conversation 105 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: we talked. We talked some ship, so you better not. 106 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: You better not listening to that one. But okay, kid 107 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: a kid um. But yeah, man, today, what I thought 108 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: we could do is tackle listener questions. We I post 109 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: a couple of things online and just had hundreds of 110 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: questions probably come in and we can't hit them all, 111 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: but I'm hoping we can hit as many as possible. 112 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: I know that we could probably spend two hours discussing 113 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: just five of these questions if we wanted. There's enough 114 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: to talk about there. But what do you think about 115 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: as much as we can kind of going rapid fire 116 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: through them, so we can just cover as many different 117 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: things as possible. Yeah, that sounds perfect. If I get 118 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: a little long winded, just shut me down. Yeah, I'm 119 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: I'm willing to jump in there and tell you to 120 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: shut the hell up. But I think there'll be some 121 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: where we can dive in deeper. Like I think we'll 122 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: kind of feel it out, but when there's one that 123 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: we can get through it quick and keep going, we'll 124 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: do it. Um. So I don't know if you're game, 125 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: I think we should uh start the timer and just 126 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: take off. Let's do it all right, let me get 127 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: my and my notes here. I probably should have sent 128 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: you some of these questions so you could choose to 129 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: the questions. So I'm the only one in control. Sorry. UH. 130 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: First question is going to come here from Travis. Travis 131 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: asks what are the most important summer scouting tactics for 132 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: early bow season hunting? Uh. I will give a very 133 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: quick answer, and I'll let you expand on Andy. I 134 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: would say when it comes to summer scouting, the things 135 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: that I care the most about would be inventorying whatever 136 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: bucks are in the general area through trail cameras and 137 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: then number two, getting some glass against some long range scouting. 138 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: And that's important midsummer and late summer, just to see, okay, 139 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: what kind of quality bucks are in the area if 140 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: you're if you're just learning a new spot, or if 141 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: you just want to note did this buck make it 142 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: through to the next year. But then in that week 143 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: or a few days leading up to opening day, UM, 144 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: that's when you could start glassing to try to actually 145 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: learn something you could hunt on opening night. If you've 146 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: got one of those early seasons that open September one 147 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: or something, watching those last few days of August can 148 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: really help. UM. So that's that's a high level kick 149 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: on on my part. Andy thoughts, Yeah, I completely agree. Um, 150 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: the inventory thing is is good. I do a fair 151 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: amount of summer scouting, like you know, velvet type stuff, 152 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: but I don't I honestly don't get super h super 153 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: serious with it right until um, you know, that last 154 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: week week and a half before the season starts. So 155 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: if you're in a state that opens early, like let's 156 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: just say Kentucky, UM, where I like to hunt early season, 157 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: sometimes you're at a major advantage because um, the deer 158 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: still in velvet, still batstrew it up really well and 159 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 1: be on a very routine UM pattern that you can 160 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: capitalize in. So if the past few kills I've had 161 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: in Kentucky early season have been you know, observing um 162 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: either fresh sign. One was just fresh sign in a 163 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: in a UM like kind of like a secluded backfield, um, 164 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: and then the other one was actually glassing and seeing 165 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: you know, a shooter do something and then setting up 166 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: and capitalizing that way. So those that last week or 167 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: two right before the season starts, that's when I really 168 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: turn it up, because what I what I see um 169 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: here in Michigan, Um, if you got a little bit 170 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: later opener like October one. Um, you could see, you know, 171 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: these bachelor groups all summer in July and August, and 172 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 1: then somewhere usually somewhere around that beginning September, mid September, 173 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: they'll start shifting around. It's maybe that buck you're after 174 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: is is going to hang in the area. But a 175 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: lot of them disappear and they just go to you know, 176 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: they differed over to their fall ranges. So I don't 177 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: I try not to get too hung up. I've been 178 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 1: It's happened to me so many times where I've last 179 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: a really big buck and I'm so excited, and I'm like, 180 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna live on this deer all summer and I'm 181 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: gonna know exactly what he's doing, and just to have 182 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: him disappear mid September and I'm just you know, I 183 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: had all my scouting and all my efforts for that one, dear, 184 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: and he's just nowhere to be found. I have no 185 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: no clue. So if you could still those last week 186 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: or two, if you turn it up a notch with 187 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: the long distance scouting and cameras, that's your best bet. 188 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: If you're if you're shooting for an early season killed yeah, 189 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, and I know you've experienced this 190 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: some as well. Those really early season hunts as September 191 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: hunts are some of my absolute favorite all year. Like 192 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: I just love that observed from a long range scout. 193 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: Scout scouts see and then make a move off that. 194 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: I love that style, like those kinds of hunts. That's 195 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: that's a lot of fun about That's one of my favorites. Well, 196 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 1: all right, next question, Brent, He asks, do you guys 197 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: organize your ONEX way points in any particular fashion to 198 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: separate hot sign from this year m versus things from 199 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: previous years? So he says, for example, maybe this year's 200 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: way points are orange, but last year's are white, anything 201 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: like that. Do you do any kind of organization with 202 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: your map way points or or even any other data 203 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: you keep from here to year. Yeah, I do. I don't. 204 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: I don't do exactly what he said, but you know, 205 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: I definitely don't just use the the generic way point 206 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: icon like I'll do access um, you know, routes, I'll 207 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: have marked um. If it's like a water source, I 208 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: use the actual symbol, but i'll color code. So usually 209 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: my accesses are white um. Betting areas are yellow, uh 210 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: water sources. I'll usually do blue um that sort of thing. 211 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: But UM, I never leave um the title of the 212 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: way point, just as like waypoint the date and time, 213 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: because I'll I have so many across so many states 214 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 1: now that I'll forget what they were. Some of them 215 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: are just ones that I plopped down because I think 216 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: they look good and I want to check them out. 217 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: And then you know, a year or two go by 218 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: and I look at those, I'm like, what what what 219 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: was it about this spot? You know, did I get 220 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: a piece of advice from somebody or did I observe something? 221 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: So I when I when I make a waypoint, UM, 222 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: I will actually title it what what I'm marking it for. 223 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: So maybe check this out. This looks like a good 224 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: betting area, you know, scout this ask permission here? Um, 225 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: you know, the Big the Big nine UM traveled through 226 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: here on this date in the morning. So I'll organize 227 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: it in that way. But the color codes that I 228 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: have have to do more with like the feature um 229 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: that I'm marking. But that's that's that's essentially what I do. Yeah, 230 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: that's pretty similar to what I do. I've not gone 231 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: so far as to color code, and I use some icons, 232 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: but lots of times I just put the generic one 233 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: in there. But I do what you do. As far 234 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: as the labeling, I try to get detailed with my 235 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: label so that I can go back and look at it. 236 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: And really, as far as I'm concerned, lots of times 237 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: when I like the value in the way points for 238 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: me is in the long term. So even though it 239 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: might be fresh signed just this year, that that's helpful 240 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: to me right now as I'm marking that, but it's 241 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: also helpful to me next year because I can look 242 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: back and see all that previous year's sign and how 243 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: that matches up, and you start seeing, you know, at 244 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: a high level, you'll start to sese big picture stories 245 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: even if it was old signs. Sometimes, as you know, 246 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: many times a new buck will come in and do 247 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: something similar because it's a terrain feature or something with 248 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: cover or something to do with typical hunting pressure that 249 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: will make Dear use certain areas. So you know that 250 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: historical data is still helpful. Um, if I was better, 251 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: maybe labeling in such a way so you could discern 252 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 1: fresh versus not fresh, that would be good, but I 253 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: just haven't gone that far. Yeah, I used to. Um, 254 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: it's been so nice to being able to use on 255 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: X because in the past, UM, like I have essentially 256 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: like binders for each state and they are full of maps, 257 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: and I used to color code like my marker marks 258 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: and like pen marks, UM, and I would mark everything 259 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: down so like you know, when I would see a 260 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: dear travel, I would mark that, like literally draw it 261 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: on the map and I put the date in time. 262 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: So I mean, it's just it's just so much data 263 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: of you know, like my my Michigan binder, my Ohio binder, 264 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: my Kentucky, Maryland, UM, Iowa, Illinois, like all of these, 265 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: and it's just so much data over years. And now 266 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: now they have on X, it's like you can put 267 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: it all, put it all right on there and make 268 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: it you know, so it's all in one spot. But UM, 269 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: that's what I used to do in that much detail. 270 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: But I would just do it all by hand. Now 271 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: do you still I know, I don't know. A couple 272 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: of years ago, I think we talked about some of 273 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: your journaling that you used to do. Are you still 274 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: doing journaling hunting, you know, per day by day stuff 275 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: or is that change to No, I've absolutely absolutely still 276 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: do that. I just haven't done the handwriting map markups 277 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: as much. You know, it's kind of pretty much almost 278 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: all mobile now. Um. Sometimes I'll still carry like a 279 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: hard paper map. Um, you know, like if I'm going 280 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: to a new area and I you know, I just 281 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: want something quick, or maybe service might be questionable or 282 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: I don't have downloadable maps. But for the most part, 283 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm going all on X. But the the daily logs 284 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: of hunts, yeah, I still do that, and I'm still 285 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: very detailed with that. I wish I was better every year. 286 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: Every year I tell myself I'm gonna do it, and 287 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: I start and I do it here and there, and 288 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: then it's usually sometime during the rut and I'm tired 289 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: and ship hits the fan and I lose track. Yeah. Ah. 290 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: Jordan's asks how big was your first white tail buck 291 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: you ever harvested, and how to influence your expectations as 292 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: you became more experienced. It's funny. This question is funny 293 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: because I took a picture of I have a h 294 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: crept on a deer in my mom's basement Will Ferrell style. 295 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: Uh yeah me low, yeah, So I was over there, 296 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: uh earlier, I was last week and I was down 297 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: there and I was just kind of looking through them 298 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: and you know, going through I don't get to see 299 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: them that often. And I follow my first buck and 300 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: it's a little spike. Um, it's got a shape kind 301 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: of looked like a bull bullhorns like a they kind 302 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: of go up and then they point forward like a 303 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: little bull. And he's probably six inches wide. Um. And 304 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: I put it in the palm of my hand, like 305 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: my hand spread out. I got pretty big hands, but 306 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: like it's like it's smaller than the poem in my hand. 307 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: And I snapped a photo of it, and uh, it 308 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: was just so funny. But that was my first buck, 309 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: and um, it was. It was so cool because I 310 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: went hunting with a buddy and um, I just made 311 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: You couldn't make a more perfect shot, um than what 312 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: I did on this deer. I mean it just perfect 313 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: double lung. He ran twenty yards and died and I 314 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: was just in heaven. You know, I was so pumped. Um. 315 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: But I guess how it I don't know how that 316 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: influenced me, but I from that very first day, I 317 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: was always I always wanted to do like I never 318 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: wanted to really shoot one that size again like I wanted. Okay, 319 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: I was always of that mindset, was like, you know, 320 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: bigger older, bigger older. So I kind of followed that 321 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,239 Speaker 1: that progression right from the beginning, and like as you know, 322 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: like there's no family that got me into hunting, so 323 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: I didn't really go for that through that phase of 324 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: like where I shot like you know, maybe a bunch 325 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: of year and a half year old bucks. I mean, 326 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: I shot a couple maybe like two, um, and then 327 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: you know, then I started, you know, killing some twos, 328 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: and then I started killing some twos and threes, and 329 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: then I started killing some threes and four you know 330 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: what I mean. So it was just I've always been 331 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: of that mindset, and I think it's because I did 332 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: get it into it on my own and just um, 333 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, it was just kind of the natural progression, 334 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: I guess the way my mind worked. Uh now, how 335 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: this isn't you know, this is a little off topic, 336 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: but that progression that a lot of us go through. 337 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: You you get get figured out, you kill a few, 338 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: then you want to take the next step. You want 339 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: to take the next step at some point, did you 340 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: reach Okay, I've done that enough now I need to 341 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: like rethink what my goal is because I can't keep exceeding. 342 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: You know, there's a story of like I'm Andre de 343 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: Quisto talking about how for years he would never kill 344 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: a buck unless it was an inch bigger than the 345 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: last one or something, and he kept on trying to 346 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: do that for I don't know how long. UM. And 347 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: then for a long time he was trying to kill 348 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: like a world record typical buck or something. Was so 349 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: obsessed with a single minded goal like that. UM. And 350 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: I know he's eventually transitioned off of that to some degree, 351 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: but I'd be curious to get his to hear from 352 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: him as far as how that mentally affected his joy 353 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: of the hunt, if eventually that took something away from it. Um. 354 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: Have you gotten to a point yet where you've had 355 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: to rethink that? I think you have, because I know 356 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: now that you you know, you're not always killing the 357 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: biggest buck in the world if it's a certain situation. UM, explain, 358 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: explain how that kind of came about for you. Yeah, 359 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: absolutely so. I don't know, I don't know what year 360 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: it was, but like somewhere kind of you know, maybe 361 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: you know, nine ten years in something like that. I 362 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: I got to I looked up to guys like like 363 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: Andre and some of these other guys that were very visible, 364 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: you know, and magazines or videos and stuff, and it's 365 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: like you kind of tried to you know, they were 366 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: very motivating, you know, and um, there was so much 367 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: emphasis on like score and stuff like this. And I 368 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,239 Speaker 1: knew I was from Michigan, and I knew, you know, 369 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: deer you know, aren't gonna happen here, uh with any regularity. 370 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: So but but I I got to a point where 371 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 1: I started putting an actual score in my head that 372 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: I wanted to achieve. And it was very brief, um, 373 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: and it was it got to be right around that 374 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: like one, because I had done it for a few 375 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: years here in Michigan, and I was like, okay, that's 376 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: my minimum. Well then I literally went like two years 377 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: without as much as seeing or a trail camp picture 378 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: of anything over one twenty. And I kind of was like, 379 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: you know, getting a little disappointed or whatever. And and 380 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: it did it. When I started focusing on like score, 381 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: it did take a little bit of the enjoyment away, 382 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: um for me personally, and I've never been a score 383 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: chaser since. Um, that was very short lived, but I did. 384 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: I did get to that at one point where I 385 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: was like kind of worried about that and because everybody 386 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: was like so stressing score so much, you know, and uh, 387 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: then I just realized, you know, it's just not for me. 388 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to focus on just the best quality books 389 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 1: that I can find in the area i'm hunting, and 390 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: and that's kind of what I settled in on. And 391 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: of course, like you know, there's years where I have, uh, 392 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: you know, maybe there's a maybe there's a buck around 393 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: that's a hundred fifty, two hundred sixty, you know, somewhere 394 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: in that of course, I'm going to concentrate on that 395 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: deer and and hunt that deer smart and put some 396 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: effort into it because it's rare. And you know, I'm gonnam. 397 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: I want that challenge, but I don't have I don't 398 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: have a number in my mind anymore because there's there's 399 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: just you know, last year, you know, um, the buck 400 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: I shot, he's a beautiful ten, but he's not like 401 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: an incredible high scorer. He's like you know, mid mid 402 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: to low one authorities or something, and um, I'm just 403 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: guessing I don't even score, my dear, but you know, 404 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: that was the one of the better ones I could find, 405 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: and that's one of the ones I hunted, And that's 406 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: kind of that's kind of my that's kind of the 407 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: way I think about it now. I just don't I 408 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: don't worry about score. I worry about um maturity to 409 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: a point, but just the top end bucks in the 410 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: area I'm hunting, that's kind of what I'm after. And uh, 411 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I'd be different if I owned, 412 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: you know, a sweet farm in Iowa, and you know, 413 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: you you have the confidence when you pass a some 414 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: of these three or four year old bucks that they're 415 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: gonna make it and you can get them to that 416 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: age where they can grow some world class anglers. I 417 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: probably would look at the is different, But that's not 418 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: my situation, and I don't know that I even wanted 419 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: to be my situation, to be honest. Yeah, I hear you, 420 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: I too, I too found that as soon as you 421 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: go down that road, it quickly leads to disappointment in 422 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: most situations. So yeah, for me, it's it's usually I'm 423 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: trying to have some kind of goal, reasonable goal for 424 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: an area that's that's essentially whatever that top tier is 425 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: so usually I try to go age or sometimes experience 426 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: will infiltrate it, you know. So you know all the 427 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: stories where I'll get hung up on a specific buck 428 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: and get really stuck on that one, even though I 429 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: might pass on larger antler bucks or maybe even a 430 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: buck that's possibly older, because I'm so stuck on trying 431 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: to kill that one. So that's the only time I 432 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: kind of go off of my own little weird wormhole. 433 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: But that's fun. That's like a cool different challenge that 434 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: I've grown to to have a love hate relationship with. 435 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: But I keep I keep getting suckered into it. Um. 436 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: But my first buck was a five point there with 437 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: like a normal little three point side and then a 438 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: funky fork that kind of it was like you had 439 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: a two pronged fork and then you melted it over 440 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: a flame. So those forked ends like weirdly twisted, just 441 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: a funky little guy. Um, just a year and a 442 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: half old. And my only regret with that deer is 443 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: that for some reason, and I think it was just 444 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: like a family tradition in that I grew up in 445 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: kind of an old timey hunting family. We hunted up 446 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: north and we never shot Doz, so it's like the 447 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: only shot Bucks. So I got into hunting and I 448 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: thought I had to shoot a buck. So I passed 449 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: up on lots of opportunities at does because I really 450 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: wanted to shoot a buck. But I think that if 451 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: I had not done that, if I started shooting Doze 452 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: at a younger age, I would have gotten a lot 453 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: of those kinks out of the system, you know, earlier, 454 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: and been more effective at killing some bucks later if 455 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: I had done that instead of waiting so long to 456 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: get that shot. So so I screwed up on some 457 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: bucks that I hope ler that. I think I would 458 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: have got a shot and missed one. I've knocked an 459 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: arrow off because I wasn't you know, I wasn't experienced 460 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: with dealing with those final seconds of an encounter. So 461 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: that's the one thing I think, as far as expectations 462 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: is if I learned anything, it was when you're just 463 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: getting started, you gotta get some of that in the 464 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: moment of the kill experience under your belt. Don't don't 465 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: be too picky when you're getting started. Don't feel bad 466 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: even though Anie May and Dan Johnson and Andrew d 467 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: quis star shooting big Bucks every year. Don't feel like 468 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: you need to be doing the same thing if you know, 469 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: if you're just figuring it out and if that's not 470 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: what you're trying to do yet you know, absolutely, yeah, 471 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: for sure. And I want to circle back real quick 472 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: to what you talked about. Another thing you know, for 473 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: me is um as far as like you know, going 474 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: after a certain deer or maybe a certain situation where 475 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: I might you know, shoot a deer that you know, 476 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: maybe maybe a smaller or something than some of the 477 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: bucks I've shot in the past, is like the the 478 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: actual experience of that situation. So like, you know, I've 479 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: been in situations where you know, I saw a buck betted, 480 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, like in a CRP field, and I was like, man, 481 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: it would be so epic if I could sneak up 482 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: on this and shoot him while he's betted, and it 483 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: might be you know what I mean. So it's like, 484 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: sometimes those experiences drive me to make decisions to take 485 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 1: an animal just because it's a cool hunt or it 486 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: would be an epic story, you know, and and uh, 487 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: just something different or something challenging. There's a lot of 488 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: times where you know, I I would choose to to 489 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: take an animal just because of the scenario. I guess yeah. 490 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,959 Speaker 1: I mean, when it comes right down to it, you know, 491 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: we're doing this to enjoy it, right, So if if 492 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: you're having a good time, if it gets so excited, 493 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: more power to you, exactly. Ye all right. Landing's got 494 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: a question here. He says, do you think bucks to 495 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: get old from being a elusive to humans or do 496 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: you think they just have a pattern that you haven't 497 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: quite figured out yet. I believe some of them get 498 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: old simply due to the fact that they live in 499 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: a spot that humans don't typically hunt. So I think 500 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: it's kind of saying, do some bucks make it because 501 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: they're lucky, or they just naturally are in spots of 502 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: humans don't go, or do they actually pattern us and 503 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: figure us out? Um, I don't know, how do you 504 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: think about that? I think it's I think both those 505 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: answers are correct. You know, in areas that have high 506 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: um hunter density, you know, these these deers just become 507 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: experts at being elusive and moving very little in daylight 508 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, seeking out those spots that are 509 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: that are really hard to get to, maybe not even overlooked, 510 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: but hard to get to without alerting him. They just 511 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: seek out those spots that are almost bulletproof. Um. And 512 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: then you know, there's there's other times where, like you know, 513 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: the I think both. I think both of those answers 514 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: are correct. It just depends on on the situation really, um, 515 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: you know, in in the type of the type of habitat, 516 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: the type of pressure that that area has. Um. I've 517 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 1: seen bucks that have personalities that they move a ton um, 518 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: but they just seem to always make the right move 519 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: and never put themselves in danger. And then there's other 520 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: books that just move that's a very last couple of 521 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: minutes of daylight, you know, and you you literally need 522 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: to be on top of them to get a crack 523 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: at them, and and sometimes it's not even feasible or possible. 524 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: You have to wait till like the rut when they're 525 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: out moving. More So, I think both of those scenarios 526 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: are correct and any any given situation, Yeah, agreed, I 527 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: think there's a little bit of both. But I do 528 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: definitely think that in a way we are selecting four 529 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: the dumber dear or the more active dear. Like if 530 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: you look at the average hunter, the or the majority 531 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: of bucks that get killed, are those bucks that were 532 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: probably predisposition to be a little bit more active. Those 533 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: are the ones that end up getting killed on average 534 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: at a higher rate than the ones that are predispositioned 535 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: to be you know, scott old timers that just stick 536 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: in the stick in the stuff, and they never like 537 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: to move around. I mean, the deer that naturally is lazier, 538 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: naturally doesn't want to get up move a whole lot, 539 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: regardless of hunting pressure. That's the buck that's going to 540 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: make it to an older age, even if he isn't 541 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,239 Speaker 1: particularly smart or hasn't learned anything. That's just kind of 542 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,719 Speaker 1: his evolutionary gift that's helping him make it to an 543 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: older age. So there's some of that. But but yeah, 544 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: some of these dear do somehow figure it out. I 545 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: don't know if it's you don't want to pen too 546 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: much human knowledge to them, right. They're not like thinking, oh, 547 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: what's marking to do tonight? They're not doing that, but 548 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: but they certainly know how to survive. Yeah. Absolutely. Benjamin 549 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: asks what's the number one thing that a great hunter 550 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: does that the average hunter doesn't do? And he defines 551 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: great hunter as successful most years going after their target buck. 552 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: But you can define however you want, I would say, um, 553 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: you know, making sure they're scouting, um, scouting enough, making 554 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: sure you're you're doing more scouting than hunting. Most great 555 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: hunters that I know that are you know, kind of 556 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: d I y guys like ourselves, you know hunting I 557 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: guess areas that aren't like managed and whatnot. Um, they 558 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: scout more than they hunt. That seems to be a 559 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: very common quality, unless unless some guys are just like 560 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: strictly rout hunters, you maybe can get away from that. Um, 561 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: but so scouting more than you hunt. And then also 562 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: just being prepared and that that could be you're scouting, 563 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: that could be um, you know, your your equipment, your 564 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: your archery shooting, you know all that stuff that the 565 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: really good hunters they don't leave a lot to chance, 566 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: I think. I mean there's always some, but they do 567 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: everything in their power to be prepared and ready going 568 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: into the season so that it will ensure the likelihood 569 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: of success. Yeah. Yeah, what I was gonna say was 570 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: being detail oriented. I feel like almost all of the 571 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: really successful hunters are very detail oriented. All the little 572 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: things matter, because like you just said, there's there's so 573 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: many things out of our control. When we're trying to 574 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: kill a deer, especially mature deer, there's so many variables 575 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: outside of our control that if you don't take control 576 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: of everything you can, there's too much left up to 577 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: fate that's gonna keep you from being consistent. So if 578 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: you want to be consistent, all the little things matter. 579 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: Tuning your bow just right matters. Making sure you think 580 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: about every scenario when you're heading into access or exit, 581 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: or the details of your your sent control, or what 582 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: you think the wind's gonna do, or you're scouting, or 583 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: you know what days are gonna hunt, what days you 584 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: are not gonna hunt, or what days to take your vacation, 585 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: or I mean every little bit the squeak of your 586 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: seat that might make the difference between a kill and 587 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: not getting a kill. So those guys that become consistent 588 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: find a way too. You know, they don't skirt, they 589 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: don't cut corners, they don't take the easy way. They 590 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: try to you know. My uh the coach at Michigan State, 591 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: the football coach up until last year, Mark D'Antonio, he 592 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: always said it was a game of inches, and I 593 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: always think about that with deer hunting. It's that last 594 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: inch usually there's little inches add up to make a 595 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: big difference. So always always think about that. And every 596 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: time I find myself wanting to get lay in something 597 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: where every time I'm saying I'm probably good enough, I 598 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: try to catch myself and think, no, man, this little 599 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: thing could be everything. Yeah, yeah, I think you're right 600 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: one thing real quick for me personally, and there's probably 601 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: other guys out there. I'm sure that I feel this 602 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: kind of the same way. But I can't. I can't 603 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: accept failure if it's due to um, my own doing, 604 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: like if I make a mistake, or if I'm unprepared, 605 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: or if I go into a season and I didn't 606 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: scout enough and I come out of that season having 607 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: a you know, a poor season, or um, you know, 608 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: not having success, and I can literally put the blame 609 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: on you know, my shooting preparation, or my lack of scouting, 610 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: or my lack of commitment or giving up too easily 611 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: or you know, not wanting to get up early, um 612 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: you know, any one of those things. Though, Failure because 613 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: of any of those just eat me live. And I've 614 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: I've failed in the past many times for all of 615 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: those reasons. And uh, I just won't. I won't do 616 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,720 Speaker 1: that anymore. I won't tolerate that anymore. So, like you said, 617 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: I try to control and work on everything that I 618 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: can so that I'm prepared if I fail, because you know, 619 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: the deer don't cooperate the buckum after it gets killed, 620 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: he just doesn't come by my stand another hunter gets him. That. 621 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: You know, I can take that, that's that's out of 622 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: my control. I can accept that. I can be you know, 623 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: move on to the next year or the next season 624 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: with a good attitude. But if it's because of something 625 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: I did or didn't do, that's the stuff. I just 626 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: it just eats at me like a cancer. And and 627 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: I've had it happened before, and now I just I 628 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: just don't leave any of that to chance. I just 629 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: I've said it to you before. I feel like I 630 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: over prepare. Um, I try to overprepare, if that's even 631 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: such a thing, so that I would I would really 632 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: need to be unlucky in a season for me to 633 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: not have at least some success. And I think that's 634 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: that really kind of ties together. Both of those two 635 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: ideas we talked about comes down to that that over 636 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,479 Speaker 1: preparation and the people that are most consistent. I think 637 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: that's that's absolutely a uniting factor, and you're you're a 638 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: perfect example of that. Um, here's a different here's a 639 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: different one. That's that's kind of interesting, Adam asks. I 640 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: know enough to know that finding sheds isn't the biggest 641 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 1: piece to the puzzle, but it is a piece. If 642 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: you find the sheds to an incredible buck two years 643 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: in a row, what are some of the things you 644 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: would do to help in the fall track that buck down? 645 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 1: So I guess to rephrase this question a little bit, 646 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: how do you think sheds factor at all into a 647 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: hunting strategy? And how would you use that information if 648 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: it's helpful when you're trying to kill him the next year? Yeah, 649 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 1: you want me to take this one? Uh? Yeah, you 650 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 1: can start, okay. Um. I think it really depends on 651 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 1: a lot of these answers. Uh, really depend on the 652 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: type of situation, the type of habitat, the type of 653 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: property that you're talking about. So, um, just let's for instance, 654 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: around here, let's say like mixed Tagg country where I'm 655 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: at here in southern Michigan or northern Ohio. If I 656 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: find a set of sheds two years in a row, 657 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 1: off a buck, and that that tells me that he's 658 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: in the area, um, you know, maybe even in that 659 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: specific area towards the end of the season, you know, December. 660 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: If I'm finding his antlers like in January, you know, 661 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,240 Speaker 1: there's a there's a safe bet that he was close 662 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: by towards you know, the end of the season. So 663 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: that's that tells me that, but it doesn't necessarily tell 664 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 1: me that's where he was early season or during the rut. 665 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: So here, it's very common for bucks to be in 666 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: a certain area, you know, early season and then transition 667 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 1: and slightly to another area, um for more of like 668 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,919 Speaker 1: the breeding part of the season. Um. Some some deer 669 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: that I've hunted completely disappear, you know, Like let's say 670 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: it's a it's in an area that's mainly privately and 671 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: they completely disappear. I have no idea. I don't have 672 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: access to any of this ground. UM, So you know, 673 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: I don't know, even though I might have found his 674 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: sheds on mine, Like, I have no idea where he 675 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: is the rest of the season. But what at least 676 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 1: around here, what I can say is if you're finding sheds, 677 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: he's probably in the neighborhood so what I would do, um, 678 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's a maybe it's a mile, maybe 679 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: it's to two miles you know radius or something that 680 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,919 Speaker 1: he's he's probably in that area. So I would utilize 681 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: finding those sheds that you know, this is kind of 682 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: his broad home range, and I would if it's If 683 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: it's public, you're probably pretty good. You got some room 684 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: to roam and try to figure things out and try 685 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 1: to locate this deer. If it's private, I would do 686 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: you know, some knocking on some doors, um and and 687 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,720 Speaker 1: and trying to to maybe pinpoint where this deer is early. 688 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: Um it just so then I got another I got 689 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: a buddy in Maryland who finds tons of sheds and 690 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: he will literally find sheds in the same little wood 691 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 1: lot where he'll shoot that deer the following year. The 692 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: deer pocketed up in real high deer density, and they're 693 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: not a lot of cover due to uh city sprawl. 694 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: It's kind of like you know, suburban type hunting um, 695 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: you know, and they can live in and around these 696 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 1: small wood lots year round. So he'll find sheds off 697 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: these bucks and shoot him in that same woods sometimes. 698 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: So he for him, it's it's a huge piece of 699 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: the puzzle on even where to hunt that deer? Where here? 700 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: If I find them? A lot of times i'll find them, 701 00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 1: uh in an area where I won't maybe actually be 702 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: hunting for that dear. It's probably close by, but it 703 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 1: might be you know, a half mile away, or it 704 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,879 Speaker 1: might be you know, it could be only five yards away. 705 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: It could be you know, two miles away. It just 706 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: it just depends. So it's it's a piece of the puzzle. 707 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: It could be a very big piece of the puzzle 708 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: in certain situations. It could be a smaller piece of 709 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: the puzzle than others. Yeah, I feel like the most 710 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: the most helpful thing it does for me is just 711 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,280 Speaker 1: confirm life. It confirms that buck made it through the season. 712 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: Now I know, okay, he's a buck. I can focus 713 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: on next year. If I don't find those sheds, and 714 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 1: if I don't see him, maybe I haven't seen him 715 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: since November, Well, then how much time do I really 716 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 1: wanted to vote to formulating a strategy around him or 717 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: making changes to the property or my setups to kill 718 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: that buck or anything that. How much time do you 719 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 1: want to study past trail camera pictures, study his patterns? 720 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: Um if I don't know he's alive. I'm still I'm stuck, waiting, stuck, wondering, stuck. 721 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,919 Speaker 1: You know, well, maybe maybe not. But if I find 722 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: the sheds now, you know it's game on now. Yeah, 723 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 1: something could happen in between now in the season. He 724 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: could get hit by car, could get killed by disease. 725 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: But you've got a pretty good chance he's gonna make 726 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: it now. You know, Okay, he's alive. Now I'm going 727 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: to really focus on him. So that means Okay, in 728 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: the off season when I'm not doing something, if it's 729 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: if it's June one and degrees outside, I'm not going 730 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: to do something out in the property, but I want 731 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: to get something done. Well, if I know that he's 732 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: there still, I'm going to study pass trail cameras and 733 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: start finding whens those couple of windows of time when 734 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 1: he moved during daylight last year or the year before. Um, 735 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff you can attack with so 736 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: much more focus now that you know he's there. Um. 737 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 1: The second thing I'd say is you can get a 738 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: little bit that might be helpful during hunting season if 739 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: you find those sheds in something like a betting area. 740 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 1: You know, if you find that and you can actually see, 741 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: oh wow, this is a buck bed, and I know 742 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 1: that this buck was betted right here, and you know 743 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: it was in the late season, in the winter, this 744 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,879 Speaker 1: is where he betted. That's a really important helpful clue 745 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: to get if you're going to hunt him in the 746 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: late season. Again, so if if you get to December 747 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: of the next year and you're still hunting him, well, 748 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: now you can know, okay, well, during the winter with 749 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: this kind of food source, this was a place he 750 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: felt safe, and that can be a helpful piece of 751 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: the puzzle. You now know one of the hubs of 752 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: the wheel and plan accordingly with that knowledge. Now that 753 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: you can you know, lots of times you can make 754 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: assumptions are and I think he's betting around here, I 755 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 1: think he's better around here. But if you know I 756 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: know he betted right here at least once in January 757 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,799 Speaker 1: or February or something, that's pretty good. I mean, that 758 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: can tell you something. Um sit in that bed, just 759 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: like if you found a bed while out scouting, If 760 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 1: you know that that exact buck was laying there sitting there, 761 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 1: think about it, figure out why he did it. If 762 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,840 Speaker 1: you're really lucky, if it was a fresh drop, you 763 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: might even be able to see his tracks coming in 764 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: and out of it backtrack, see how he walked to 765 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: that spot. Um. You know, in a lot of cases 766 00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 1: you won't people have that information. But if you get 767 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 1: lucky and happen upon it when they're still snow on 768 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,360 Speaker 1: the ground and you can see those big tracks, you know, 769 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: take advantage of that kind of thing, if you get that. 770 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: Um last year or this year, I guess I found 771 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,399 Speaker 1: the match set off the buck I'm after this year, 772 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 1: that that buck tran that I really want to get 773 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: a shot at. Now, I don't think I get anything 774 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: from that is other than just knowing he made it. 775 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 1: I'm not learning anything very helpful because it was in 776 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: the middle of a cornfield right by the road, so 777 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 1: he was out there. He was out there mill of 778 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: the night dropped. Um Um. All I know is that 779 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: he was still in the general area in the late season, 780 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: which which I knew because of sightings too. So I 781 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,359 Speaker 1: think Adams right and that he said they are a 782 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,320 Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle, but they're not the biggest piece, 783 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: and just take everything a canna right. Every little detail 784 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 1: could help flesh out that bigger picture. Yeah, I kind 785 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,799 Speaker 1: of tackled that question under the assumption he had just 786 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 1: found the sheds and didn't have any sightings or history 787 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: with it. Like if you obviously, like in your situation 788 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 1: with Tran, you had so much data of sightings and 789 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: and trail cameras, um, you know, so you you kind 790 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: of know a tentative gameplay how to hunt that deer. 791 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 1: And for you it was just like you said, confirmation 792 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: of life. But if you just find a set of sheds, 793 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: and you know, you've been hunting this general area of 794 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: the last two years, but you found these sheds, you 795 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 1: haven't seen this deer. You haven't got any trail camp pictures, 796 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: this dear, you're probably not hunting the right area, but 797 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,600 Speaker 1: he's probably in the neighborhood. So that's what that's what 798 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,839 Speaker 1: prompted me to say, you know, check venture out, you know, 799 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 1: check you know, a different wood lot, check the swamp 800 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: over here, check this marsh, you know, expand your search. Um, 801 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 1: knock on some doors, use all the public land, run cameras, glass, 802 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, really try to to hone in and if 803 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 1: it's a if it's a substantial dear like around here. 804 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: A lot of times, um, there there might just be 805 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,280 Speaker 1: one big mature buck. So if I find big mature 806 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,920 Speaker 1: buck sign There's been many situations where, like I've it's 807 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 1: almost certain that this is the deer that I'm after. 808 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 1: You know, this is almost certainly him because all the 809 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: rest of the deer and sure, so you know, just 810 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,319 Speaker 1: think about that. If you do find a set, you 811 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 1: don't have any history with the deer, haven't seen him 812 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: actually hunting or scouting or anything like that. He's probably 813 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,320 Speaker 1: not far off. He's probably in the neighborhood, but you 814 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 1: need to go out and do your work to find him. 815 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 1: Have you have you killed one? You found his sheds before? Oh? Yeah? Yeah? 816 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,760 Speaker 1: How often a thing is that for you? On? Not 817 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 1: not super often, um, because I honestly I don't find 818 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,839 Speaker 1: a lot of sheds here in Michigan. Um. I don't 819 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 1: have run here. Yeah, And I don't really have any 820 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 1: you know ground that I hunt that has like good 821 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 1: late season food sources really um uh, you know, maybe 822 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: maybe a couple a couple of pieces that you don't have, 823 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 1: some some draw and some some late season I've found 824 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:53,240 Speaker 1: a couple of sheds, um, and a buddy has killed um. 825 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 1: But yeah, there's there's a there's a few, um that 826 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,799 Speaker 1: I have, but not not a not a lot here 827 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 1: in Michigan. I just don't you know, if I find 828 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: I think this year I found seven or eight, um, 829 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,839 Speaker 1: you know, and that was I went out. I put 830 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 1: on the miles, you know, I went out at least 831 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: a dozen different times for anywhere from four to five 832 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,799 Speaker 1: hours each time. And that's that's pretty average, you know, 833 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,520 Speaker 1: with that amount of effort I've had. The most I've 834 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: ever found was twelve. I've had plenty of years where 835 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,279 Speaker 1: I found like four, you know. So yeah, that's that 836 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: sounds about about right. Yeah, I think my best, well 837 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 1: this year is my best Michigan year ever. And I 838 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 1: found eleven good but but well, I mean it's not 839 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: that good compared to a lot of guys or girls, 840 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,239 Speaker 1: but for Michigan, it's not that. But I found the 841 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,120 Speaker 1: I found the match set from the number one buck 842 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 1: hum after so that's huge. And then I found a 843 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:50,359 Speaker 1: left side off of another mature buck that I'll be 844 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:55,240 Speaker 1: after maybe. And then I also found the left side 845 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,719 Speaker 1: of another buck that could be a shooter on the 846 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,120 Speaker 1: back forty maybe to be a three year old. I 847 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,799 Speaker 1: think it's the best, but that might be the best 848 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: we've got out there. So so as far as you know, 849 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,239 Speaker 1: finding sheds off bucks that might hunt, this is not 850 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,359 Speaker 1: a bad year. Yeah. What I find, what I find 851 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,320 Speaker 1: out here just because it is, you know, vast majority 852 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 1: is is is private land, very little public land. If 853 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: you're if you're hunting in this area, there's a lot 854 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,920 Speaker 1: of very small parcels and if you're lucky enough to 855 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 1: get permission on you know, any of these, you're you're 856 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:33,320 Speaker 1: hunting a very very small window of you know, where 857 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 1: this deer's life is. And that's why I kind of 858 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,480 Speaker 1: go back to, you know, finding those micro patterns and 859 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,480 Speaker 1: seeing those that historical data of when you can hunt 860 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 1: this very small, tiny area for a particular deer and 861 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 1: only hunt it during that time, and the chances of 862 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,880 Speaker 1: finding a shed there and killing him there, you know, 863 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,120 Speaker 1: in most of these cases are these small areas with 864 00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: really really high pressure. It's just it's it's just a 865 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: hard thing to pull off down here, unless you've got 866 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,600 Speaker 1: a big private farm or something like this, or a 867 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,839 Speaker 1: nice big chunk of public land, which there's just not 868 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,520 Speaker 1: a lot of it around here. Yeah, So let's keep 869 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,840 Speaker 1: on with this kind of theme a little bit of 870 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,840 Speaker 1: trying to figure out, you know, what these pieces of 871 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: the puzzle are for a buck. Here after we had 872 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,919 Speaker 1: a question here from guy nam Joe, and he says, 873 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,400 Speaker 1: if you're monitoring an area with trail cameras, how close 874 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 1: is too close to a Buck's core area, let's say 875 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,520 Speaker 1: his betting area or some of those potential betting areas. UM, 876 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,440 Speaker 1: how tight in there are you willing to get with 877 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,480 Speaker 1: your cameras when you're trying to figure out those pieces 878 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 1: of the puzzle and zero it in. UM. I use 879 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,839 Speaker 1: most of the time I put my cameras that are 880 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:51,919 Speaker 1: in areas that are fairly easy accessible, meaning I don't 881 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,799 Speaker 1: have to go through like betting cover or anything that 882 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: where I'm gonna spook dear. I. I kind of put 883 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 1: a lot of effort in thought into if it's something 884 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,480 Speaker 1: that I'm going to be checking throughout the season, I 885 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,480 Speaker 1: won't I won't get too close. UM. All I really 886 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,879 Speaker 1: need to know if it's an area, if it's an 887 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 1: area that I know well, all I need to know 888 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,759 Speaker 1: is that he's in the area. The rest of the 889 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: knowledge is has been laid down from previous scouting, knowing 890 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,879 Speaker 1: the lay of the land and the habitat and where 891 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,799 Speaker 1: the traveler rolts are, where the likely betting is, where 892 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,960 Speaker 1: the water is, where the food is. That that's what 893 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,759 Speaker 1: you figure out when you get those boots on the 894 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,880 Speaker 1: ground and the map scouting and all that. For me personally, 895 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,080 Speaker 1: the trail camp picture is just like, Okay, he's here now, 896 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,760 Speaker 1: you know, this is where he was, you know, uh 897 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,480 Speaker 1: on this day. And now if if I feel like 898 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,960 Speaker 1: he's in this area consistently or now is the time, 899 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,239 Speaker 1: and then I'll go dive in and hunt him. The 900 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,359 Speaker 1: other situation is I will put in I will put 901 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,600 Speaker 1: trail cameras in sensitive spots, but I'll leave them there 902 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: almost the entire season, you know what I mean. It's 903 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 1: more it's more for intel for future seasons, future hunts. Um, 904 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 1: you know, just an area where I don't want to 905 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,799 Speaker 1: go in and bust your out, but I'm gonna get 906 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:16,080 Speaker 1: some good information. That's that's I think. That's probably the 907 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 1: way I mostly use trail cameras. I know some guys 908 00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,960 Speaker 1: put them at their stand locations. I do that occasionally, 909 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,080 Speaker 1: not not real often, but occasionally, like and I'll check 910 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,839 Speaker 1: it as I go in and hunt. But for me, 911 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 1: most of the time I'm not hunting certain stands repetitively. 912 00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 1: It's it's very rare that I hunt stand more than 913 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,600 Speaker 1: two or three times if that, you know. So that's 914 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,560 Speaker 1: that's kind of the way I look at it. Um. 915 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,520 Speaker 1: I think people utilize them in different ways, though, yeah, 916 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,640 Speaker 1: I would. I would echo a lot of that. I too, 917 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,320 Speaker 1: prefer to be pretty conservative with my trail cameras. Mostly 918 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,120 Speaker 1: I'm trying to pick easy access spots that just confirm, 919 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,200 Speaker 1: you know, is he in the area, how close to 920 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,719 Speaker 1: daylight is he moving in this area that's easily accessible, 921 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,480 Speaker 1: And if he's in there in daylight or just on 922 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,080 Speaker 1: the edge of daylight, that means he is moving in 923 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,000 Speaker 1: daylight a little farther back in the spots that you 924 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,840 Speaker 1: might want to hunt. So so it can still be helpful. 925 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,640 Speaker 1: But so I wouldn't go too tight into like a 926 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 1: core betting area with my cameras unless the thing you 927 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,239 Speaker 1: just said, which is something that I've done live in 928 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,200 Speaker 1: the past, you know, stick a camera back in a 929 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,279 Speaker 1: betting area, back in a sensitive area, and then leave 930 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,880 Speaker 1: it over the season. But this year I want to 931 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,520 Speaker 1: do a lot more of them. I want to make 932 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,120 Speaker 1: a point this year to dedicate a big chunk of 933 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,600 Speaker 1: my maybe not a big chunk, but a substantial enough 934 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,400 Speaker 1: chunk of my cameras too, Just collecting a bunch of 935 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,560 Speaker 1: information that's not gonna help me this year, but it's 936 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,920 Speaker 1: going to help in the future. Um. Because there's a 937 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,600 Speaker 1: number of those spots. Every year I hunt them and 938 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,239 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, it's great back here. Would I 939 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,000 Speaker 1: never get any pictures because I never want to go 940 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,480 Speaker 1: in there and throw camera. Um, but I hunt it 941 00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,440 Speaker 1: once a year, twice a year or something. There's so 942 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,520 Speaker 1: much more going on that I could be learning if 943 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,480 Speaker 1: I had my second set eyes there. So this year, 944 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a point in August, probably when I 945 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,600 Speaker 1: get my final scouting prep work, and I'll stick a 946 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,759 Speaker 1: couple of cameras and these tough to reach spots with 947 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,759 Speaker 1: great set of lithium batteries in a big camera or 948 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,560 Speaker 1: big SD card and just let it run until January, 949 00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,040 Speaker 1: because I do think that's really helpful stuff. Especially like 950 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,720 Speaker 1: we talked about many times, these bucks do somewhat similar 951 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,040 Speaker 1: things year after year, or even if that buck is killed, 952 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,040 Speaker 1: other bucks will come in and use an area in 953 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,919 Speaker 1: the same way because there's there's something there that that 954 00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:33,239 Speaker 1: makes it conducive to to a deer doing something. Yeah, right, Um, 955 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,600 Speaker 1: how do you speaking of, how do you organize all 956 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,800 Speaker 1: your trail camera gear? This is from Project hunt h Q. 957 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,520 Speaker 1: Do you do you have any good organization system for 958 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:48,560 Speaker 1: your cameras or or pictures? Um, like organizing my my pictures, 959 00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,040 Speaker 1: like on my computer. Let's do both. Let's actually your 960 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,919 Speaker 1: trail cameras and trail camera related gear actually the physical thing, 961 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,640 Speaker 1: and then also the pictures themselves. Okay, well the pictures 962 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,360 Speaker 1: them else. Um. Yeah, I put them all into folders, 963 00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,160 Speaker 1: usually labeled by the area I'm hunting, like you know, 964 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,200 Speaker 1: so and so state game area or blah blah blah 965 00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:15,520 Speaker 1: farm or you know whatever. Um, and then I'll i'll 966 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,680 Speaker 1: label within that folder, I'll have another folder of the 967 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,840 Speaker 1: camera location in that area. And then i'll also I 968 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:28,080 Speaker 1: usually do it's usually seems to be broken down. Um, 969 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,080 Speaker 1: it kind of depends. But like if it's one that 970 00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:35,160 Speaker 1: I'm saying, maybe I'm checking, you know, more frequently, it 971 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:40,480 Speaker 1: might say you know, so and so drainage early October, 972 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,719 Speaker 1: and then there'll be a next folder so and so 973 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,600 Speaker 1: draining the same drainage. You know, uh, mid to late 974 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,200 Speaker 1: October and then so so drainage early early November. So 975 00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,160 Speaker 1: I kind of break it down like almost like into 976 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:57,040 Speaker 1: like two week periods UM, just so they're at least 977 00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:01,200 Speaker 1: so there's somewhat organized by time and loca shan um. 978 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,600 Speaker 1: So I'll do that UM. And then I'll also if 979 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,400 Speaker 1: if I start zeroing in on a particular deer and 980 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,400 Speaker 1: like I'm after a deer and he makes it so 981 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,120 Speaker 1: now that history is starting to build, then I'll have 982 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,439 Speaker 1: a folder of just information on that deer, and that 983 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,359 Speaker 1: that's going to include all his pictures. So now I 984 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,080 Speaker 1: can go in and really start mapping out what this 985 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,680 Speaker 1: deer is doing. I'll go back and I'll cross across 986 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,479 Speaker 1: the reference like historical weather data, and I start looking 987 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,120 Speaker 1: at the wind, I start looking at the temperatures and 988 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,920 Speaker 1: all this stuff to see if I can come up 989 00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:38,360 Speaker 1: with something, and usually I could. I could start to 990 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,520 Speaker 1: come up with some sort of pattern that will at 991 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,840 Speaker 1: least give me, you know, a beat on him, a 992 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,800 Speaker 1: when and where I need to to kill this deer. UM. 993 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,040 Speaker 1: So that's why I'll really dive in if it's a 994 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,480 Speaker 1: If it's a deer, I'm getting history with UM. But 995 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,160 Speaker 1: then if it's just a particular area, those same types 996 00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 1: of patterns can materialize as well, like you'll see, you know, 997 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,160 Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe if you have it in like a 998 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,839 Speaker 1: funnel or um like on a scrape or something like that, 999 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,800 Speaker 1: you'll you'll start to see when the activity really starts 1000 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,279 Speaker 1: to pick up, you know, and then maybe there's a 1001 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,759 Speaker 1: short window of in early November or late October or 1002 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,520 Speaker 1: whenever it is, where I'll boom, all of a sudden, 1003 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,320 Speaker 1: you get this five day window of mature buck sightings. 1004 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,799 Speaker 1: It's maybe not an actual individual buck y're after, but 1005 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,640 Speaker 1: maybe there's maybe there's two or three in there that 1006 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,040 Speaker 1: you'd be happy to shoot, you know. So I start 1007 00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,680 Speaker 1: I start to look at those patterns as well. And 1008 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,759 Speaker 1: it's when you when you do that over a lot 1009 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,319 Speaker 1: of years, over a lot of areas, it starts to 1010 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,520 Speaker 1: really kind of lay out a lot of options moving 1011 00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,719 Speaker 1: forward from year to year. So not that my whole 1012 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,520 Speaker 1: hunting season has played out and I know where I'm 1013 00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,640 Speaker 1: gonna hunt October one, I'm not saying that, but it's 1014 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,240 Speaker 1: it's kind of a it's almost like a tentative layout 1015 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,680 Speaker 1: and things change, you know, in the season, because you're 1016 00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,839 Speaker 1: doing in season scouting and other deer show up, or 1017 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,840 Speaker 1: this deer gets killed and you gotta change, or pressure 1018 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,759 Speaker 1: creeps in and changes everything. But you know that's why 1019 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:12,960 Speaker 1: in season, scouting and being able to move in immediately 1020 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,000 Speaker 1: as important as well. But that's kind of how I 1021 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,680 Speaker 1: organized my pictures. As far as my trail camera gear, 1022 00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,200 Speaker 1: I guess I don't really understand the question. I mean, 1023 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,719 Speaker 1: I guess I will, I will. I will answer it 1024 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,120 Speaker 1: myself and then see if that spurs anything for you. 1025 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:33,759 Speaker 1: As far as that, I simply have to places that 1026 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,960 Speaker 1: I keep my cameras. I've got like a plastic tote, 1027 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,320 Speaker 1: and then I've got actually a bag that was created 1028 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,839 Speaker 1: for trail camera stuff Multure makes. It's kind of like 1029 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,840 Speaker 1: a sling over your shoulder kind of bag that's got 1030 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,399 Speaker 1: padded compartments where you can put cameras, and then there's 1031 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,200 Speaker 1: some side pockets where you can put in batteries or whatever. 1032 00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,200 Speaker 1: And then there's actually a really nice little um SD 1033 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,480 Speaker 1: card sleeve or booklet almost where you can put my 1034 00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,280 Speaker 1: own twenty SD cards in there. So I put cameras 1035 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,320 Speaker 1: and all my equipment and that, and then this plastic 1036 00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,120 Speaker 1: tote I will put whatever other cameras. I have plus 1037 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,439 Speaker 1: extra batteries, plus extra SD cards, plus UM. I usually 1038 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,200 Speaker 1: got a knife in there if I have to cut 1039 00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,160 Speaker 1: something as I'm you know, putting up a camera or 1040 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,360 Speaker 1: something like that, or popping out batteries out of the 1041 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,839 Speaker 1: trail camera card or trail camera UM. Also any accessories 1042 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,160 Speaker 1: for mounting, like I'll have lots of stick and pick 1043 00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,479 Speaker 1: um mounts sometimes to get you know, on a tree 1044 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,480 Speaker 1: in a certain way off, extra straps and buckles. I 1045 00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,600 Speaker 1: try to have all that in this box, and so 1046 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,120 Speaker 1: I will have either both of them with me. If 1047 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,160 Speaker 1: I'm in my a TV or my truck or something, 1048 00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,920 Speaker 1: I can have that stuff with me. I'll take the 1049 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,359 Speaker 1: tope with everything. If I'm walking to a spot or 1050 00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,919 Speaker 1: if I'm heading out I don't know, for some reason, 1051 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,440 Speaker 1: I can't take the big thing on a TV or something, 1052 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,120 Speaker 1: I'll throw that one over my shoulder. And it's just 1053 00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,879 Speaker 1: nice to have like everything you need. Because something that's 1054 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,839 Speaker 1: happened to me a lot, and it always pisces me off, 1055 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,880 Speaker 1: is that I'll go out thinking I'm just pulling a card, 1056 00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:58,839 Speaker 1: and so I'll be in a hurry and I run 1057 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,360 Speaker 1: out there and and I get to the spot, and 1058 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,080 Speaker 1: then I realized you open it up and the camera's dead, 1059 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,320 Speaker 1: and I wasn't prepared and I didn't bring batteries, or 1060 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,120 Speaker 1: I didn't bring an extra SD car or something. I hate. 1061 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,000 Speaker 1: It's happened to me too many times over the years 1062 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,160 Speaker 1: when I got lazy or stupid. So now I'm trying 1063 00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,520 Speaker 1: to this is the situation, trying to be over prepared 1064 00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,720 Speaker 1: when I go check those cameras, because every time you 1065 00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,520 Speaker 1: go in there, you are putting scent on the ground, 1066 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,800 Speaker 1: you are possibly pressuring deer. So I want to be 1067 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,240 Speaker 1: able to minimize those entries as much as possible. I 1068 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:29,880 Speaker 1: don't want any in and out, in and out stuff. 1069 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,720 Speaker 1: I want to go on once, knock it out exactly 1070 00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,120 Speaker 1: what I need, and get out of there as quietly 1071 00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,360 Speaker 1: and as carefully as possible. So having a nice little 1072 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,360 Speaker 1: like go bag ready has helped me out with that 1073 00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,439 Speaker 1: the last year or two. So that's my gear. As 1074 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,240 Speaker 1: far as pictures for me, pretty similar to you. UM. 1075 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,920 Speaker 1: I have a folder for every property, and then for 1076 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,240 Speaker 1: each property, then I break it down by year, so 1077 00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,200 Speaker 1: then I have another folder for every single year, UM, 1078 00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:02,280 Speaker 1: and then I just save pictures of Buck two or older. UM. 1079 00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,439 Speaker 1: And I'll get I'll keep every two year old buck 1080 00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,360 Speaker 1: or older picture in that folder. Um, and then I 1081 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,440 Speaker 1: haven't organized chronologically. And then sometimes if I get a 1082 00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,040 Speaker 1: specific buck I'm after, like you said, I will make 1083 00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,000 Speaker 1: a subfolder just for that dear, but I'll keep I'll 1084 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,439 Speaker 1: keep his pictures in the full year one as well, 1085 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,600 Speaker 1: because I still want to go back and sometimes, like 1086 00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,400 Speaker 1: you just said, go back and scroll the whole year, 1087 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,440 Speaker 1: and then you'll start to see, you know, like those 1088 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,840 Speaker 1: little windows. Oh man, look at this in two thousand 1089 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,600 Speaker 1: seventeen from the nine all these bucks were moving in 1090 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,640 Speaker 1: daylight for some reason. Um, that's interesting. But then I'll 1091 00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,640 Speaker 1: also want to zero it in on that specific buck, 1092 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,800 Speaker 1: and I can do that with with that. I also 1093 00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,800 Speaker 1: sometimes will go and use deer lab. So again, if 1094 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,120 Speaker 1: I'm going after a specific buck, I'll bload pictures of 1095 00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:54,040 Speaker 1: that buck to that website where you can analyze specific 1096 00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,520 Speaker 1: patterns and you can start tying things together. But I, 1097 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,400 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I find it helpful, and I do it, 1098 00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,200 Speaker 1: but I somehow end up going back to my little 1099 00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:09,200 Speaker 1: custom spreadsheet maybe more often. So I also have online 1100 00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,200 Speaker 1: spreadsheets for these specific bucks I'm after two where I 1101 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,640 Speaker 1: will log every daylight sighting in every daylight trail camera appearance, 1102 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,120 Speaker 1: and I logged every time there's a daylight sighting of 1103 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,680 Speaker 1: some kind. I log it along with all the weather, 1104 00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,680 Speaker 1: all the different factors, where he was, what direction, where 1105 00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,280 Speaker 1: he's going, what the wind was doing, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Again, 1106 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,960 Speaker 1: trying to you know, unearth some kind of pattern. So 1107 00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,680 Speaker 1: that's what I've gone. Yeah, I'm just saying pretty much 1108 00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,280 Speaker 1: the same. Yeah. And as far as like just storing 1109 00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,920 Speaker 1: my cameras, they're all they're just all on a tote, 1110 00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,360 Speaker 1: well sent free tote, and they go in there to 1111 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,400 Speaker 1: all the batteries come out. They go in there until 1112 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,120 Speaker 1: they're ready to go back out. It's about it. Yeah, alright, 1113 00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:55,040 Speaker 1: rapid fire continuing. We got a question from Scott uh 1114 00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,600 Speaker 1: top books that have influenced your success in the field. 1115 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:03,880 Speaker 1: You got any books, Andy that have helped you? Yeah. Um, 1116 01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:08,320 Speaker 1: certainly when I started out, Um that even Hurt books 1117 01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:14,600 Speaker 1: were uh, we're influential. Um, mainly like um, you know, 1118 01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,680 Speaker 1: I hunted maybe a little bit different than John in 1119 01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,600 Speaker 1: some ways and in some ways not so different, but um, 1120 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:26,760 Speaker 1: they were really influential in the fact that I could 1121 01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:32,280 Speaker 1: see how much detail and dedication and time and how 1122 01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:36,640 Speaker 1: important scouting was to be consistent, to be consistent on 1123 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,520 Speaker 1: mature deer in a in a state like Michigan. So 1124 01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,680 Speaker 1: it was it was almost like a kind of a 1125 01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:46,400 Speaker 1: blueprint of you know, the way, the way he hunted, 1126 01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,320 Speaker 1: in the effort he put in. So that that was 1127 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:54,400 Speaker 1: a good one. Um, let's see what else. Uh, you know, 1128 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,960 Speaker 1: some some of these, some of these are are really 1129 01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,480 Speaker 1: good for what I would say maybe maybe like beginner 1130 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,040 Speaker 1: hunters or maybe people that are just getting past like 1131 01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,919 Speaker 1: the beginning phase and they're trying to venture out, get 1132 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,520 Speaker 1: some new experiences and some new terrain, new habitat. But um, 1133 01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,160 Speaker 1: I really liked that mapping Trophy White Tails. It's it's 1134 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:18,919 Speaker 1: it's very basic, but it's uh it is it's very 1135 01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:23,600 Speaker 1: good in terms of the features of hill country. How 1136 01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:27,320 Speaker 1: dear use some of them? Um. You know, if you're 1137 01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,200 Speaker 1: kind of if you're an experienced hill country you don't 1138 01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:34,480 Speaker 1: need that book. Um, but it's a it's a it's 1139 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,800 Speaker 1: a very good book for someone that's maybe just getting 1140 01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,760 Speaker 1: past that beginner phase and going to tackle some hill country. 1141 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,880 Speaker 1: I would definitely recommend that. Um. Then there's actually some 1142 01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,240 Speaker 1: some there. They're mart geared towards out West, like mule 1143 01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,160 Speaker 1: deer type stuff that that I've really liked. And I 1144 01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,000 Speaker 1: know that's not what we're talking about here, so but 1145 01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,120 Speaker 1: probably those two stand out. Um, I really liked more 1146 01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,600 Speaker 1: for entertainment purposes. The Benoit books, Um, you know, I 1147 01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,800 Speaker 1: always I have those on the bookshelf. Those are great. 1148 01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:07,680 Speaker 1: How to bag the Biggest buck of your life and 1149 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,800 Speaker 1: then big Bucks the Benoit Way, Um, those are all 1150 01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,760 Speaker 1: those are all real good. Um. I really like the 1151 01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,560 Speaker 1: out West bucks. Uh are the merely Hunting with Dwight 1152 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,880 Speaker 1: Sho I've really enjoyed those. He's he's a hunter that 1153 01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:26,200 Speaker 1: I kind of kind of a legendary be oldier hunter 1154 01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,520 Speaker 1: in the mountains that I kind of look up to. Um, 1155 01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,960 Speaker 1: So I really like that. If if there's a guy 1156 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,680 Speaker 1: that's a looking to get into some Western stuff, that's 1157 01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,240 Speaker 1: a good one. Um yeah, yeah, those are those are 1158 01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,680 Speaker 1: all good ones. I would echo a couple that you said, Um, 1159 01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:46,640 Speaker 1: definitely Eberhart ones. Um Precision Bow Hunting, which was the 1160 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,280 Speaker 1: second one they did. I think that is my better 1161 01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,240 Speaker 1: that's my favorite. And that's the one that was the 1162 01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,440 Speaker 1: first one I read of theirs, and that was I 1163 01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,800 Speaker 1: said this many times before, so long time listeners know this, 1164 01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,160 Speaker 1: but that was like my lightbulb moment. I read that 1165 01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:04,200 Speaker 1: book and then everything started clicking. Um, So that one 1166 01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,400 Speaker 1: for sure. And then my next favorite one of theirs 1167 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,520 Speaker 1: is actually the most unique one of their four, which 1168 01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,919 Speaker 1: is White Tail Access, which is the one that Chris 1169 01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,720 Speaker 1: Eberhardt wrote, which isn't just a how to, It was 1170 01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,560 Speaker 1: actually the story of one season where he traveled across 1171 01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,720 Speaker 1: the country hunting all these different places. And then he 1172 01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,360 Speaker 1: tells the story of all those hunts and that those trips, 1173 01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,760 Speaker 1: and then throughout those stories he also kind of describes 1174 01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,680 Speaker 1: his thought process. He shows maps and diagrams, the how 1175 01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,280 Speaker 1: too of everything is doing. And that's that's one of 1176 01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,720 Speaker 1: my absolute favorites where you it's actually it's a fun read. 1177 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,320 Speaker 1: You kind of get to go on the hunting season 1178 01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,400 Speaker 1: with him, but then you also learned something. Um. If 1179 01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,480 Speaker 1: I ever write a deer hunting book, adjust a deer 1180 01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,240 Speaker 1: hunting book, I'd wanted to be something like that, um, 1181 01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,800 Speaker 1: because that was the fun read but but interesting he 1182 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,919 Speaker 1: you read that one, Um No, but I have. I've 1183 01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,000 Speaker 1: had it in my hands and I've kind of you know, 1184 01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,000 Speaker 1: browsed through it and read a couple of stories, and 1185 01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,600 Speaker 1: I really like the layout of that. That's one I'll 1186 01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,720 Speaker 1: have to have to sit down and read. Yeah, you should, 1187 01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,440 Speaker 1: you should read. You can borrow my cop be some day. 1188 01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,440 Speaker 1: It's it's a good one. Um. And then I will 1189 01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,520 Speaker 1: so ebra hard ones for sure. I really like the 1190 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,240 Speaker 1: mapping trophy box when you mentioned. And then I will say, 1191 01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,440 Speaker 1: for the one thing I do different than you, and 1192 01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,160 Speaker 1: you do a little bit helping out with your buddies, 1193 01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,120 Speaker 1: but I do a little bit of habitat work, whether 1194 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:15,880 Speaker 1: it be on the back forty or the one other 1195 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,360 Speaker 1: local property to have. And so as far as like 1196 01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:23,560 Speaker 1: habitat management stuff, um, probably my favorite books on that 1197 01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:28,000 Speaker 1: topic are Jeff Sturgises. I really like his analytical, very 1198 01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:32,480 Speaker 1: strategic way of approaching different ways to improve a property 1199 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,600 Speaker 1: in a way that helps you from hunting perspectives. So 1200 01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,360 Speaker 1: Whitetail Habitat by Design it was his first one, and 1201 01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,320 Speaker 1: that's probably my favorite. Um, that'd be one i'd suggest 1202 01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:45,520 Speaker 1: if you're going to try that kind of thing, how 1203 01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:52,400 Speaker 1: about oh stuff to choose from? But um, all right, 1204 01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:59,960 Speaker 1: punisher is this guy's name or handle? Here's a question 1205 01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:05,440 Speaker 1: I have. Oh, let me okay, Yeah, I have a 1206 01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,120 Speaker 1: farm area that I hunt has a high dough population. 1207 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,840 Speaker 1: I tried to hunt an exit trail that I watched 1208 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,520 Speaker 1: the buck used during a certain wind. But when I 1209 01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:15,640 Speaker 1: moved in between the bedding in the field edge the 1210 01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,320 Speaker 1: doughs in the field, we're catching my scent and blowing 1211 01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,720 Speaker 1: out like crazy. The bedding is close to the field edge, 1212 01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,400 Speaker 1: and this buck exits next to a shallow ditch in 1213 01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:28,000 Speaker 1: the field. How do you locate a stand when surrounded 1214 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:32,400 Speaker 1: by so many doughs and also set up next to 1215 01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,360 Speaker 1: something like a ditch that might impact thermals or something 1216 01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:36,960 Speaker 1: like that. He's kind of asking, So I think that 1217 01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,720 Speaker 1: to make it a little more generic, how do you 1218 01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,520 Speaker 1: go out trying to set up in a scenario We've 1219 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,960 Speaker 1: got tons of doughs that are going out to feed 1220 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,240 Speaker 1: out into like your open safe space during the first 1221 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,720 Speaker 1: part of the afternoon or starting the latter part of 1222 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:51,960 Speaker 1: the afternoon. But then you've got bedding close to that, 1223 01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,280 Speaker 1: so you your wind can't blow into the timber because 1224 01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,040 Speaker 1: that's where the box betted. But you don't want to 1225 01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,120 Speaker 1: blow it in the field because the last hour of 1226 01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:00,840 Speaker 1: daylight all the dough is there, gonna be there's gonna 1227 01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,000 Speaker 1: be that go out there, and then they're gonna wind 1228 01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:04,840 Speaker 1: you and then buck never comes out. This is a 1229 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,800 Speaker 1: scenari I found myself in a lot on one of 1230 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,960 Speaker 1: the properties that hunt. Um, how do you how do 1231 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,280 Speaker 1: you try to do that? That this this weird wind 1232 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,840 Speaker 1: cutting corner stuff. It's one of those big challenges for 1233 01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,200 Speaker 1: a lot of guys. Yeah. Yeah, that's a tough situation 1234 01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:23,720 Speaker 1: when you have a really uh abnormally high amount of 1235 01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,000 Speaker 1: doze um, like your ratio is as out of whack, 1236 01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,959 Speaker 1: and it makes it really tricky. There's so many eyes 1237 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,600 Speaker 1: and and knows is that you gotta beat, you know, 1238 01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:36,480 Speaker 1: before the buck. Um. So I guess in that situation, 1239 01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,880 Speaker 1: like I almost would never um hunt that type of 1240 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,280 Speaker 1: situation with my wind blowing right out in the field, 1241 01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,560 Speaker 1: especially if I knew, dear we're gonna be entering the field. 1242 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,680 Speaker 1: I would try to get like maybe some sort of 1243 01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,600 Speaker 1: cross wind um type scenario and enter, you know, in 1244 01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,560 Speaker 1: from the side. Um. It reminds me a lot of 1245 01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,160 Speaker 1: some of the areas I hunt in UM A couple 1246 01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:01,600 Speaker 1: areas specifically in northern Ohio, and you know, entering entering 1247 01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:05,400 Speaker 1: through the field and going into the woods. Um, you know, 1248 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,160 Speaker 1: with the with the wind kind of in your face, 1249 01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:08,760 Speaker 1: bow and back out in the field. It's it's a 1250 01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,880 Speaker 1: kind of a recipe for failure. Um. It's what I 1251 01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,120 Speaker 1: found is I'm much more effective if I can come 1252 01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:17,280 Speaker 1: in from the side like kind of a hunt, like 1253 01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:23,760 Speaker 1: a side wind, and then hunt perpendicular to the travel um. 1254 01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,880 Speaker 1: And and the wind also, you know, per kind of perpendicular. Um. 1255 01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,920 Speaker 1: So like, uh, you got you gotta How do I 1256 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,040 Speaker 1: explain this? It's kind of hard without being able to 1257 01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:37,760 Speaker 1: like show a map or something. But if the if 1258 01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,600 Speaker 1: the wind is just blowing like straight out into the field, um, 1259 01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:43,920 Speaker 1: and you're kind of off to the side, you know 1260 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,760 Speaker 1: you can you can get away with it a little bit. 1261 01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,560 Speaker 1: But a lot of times I'll I'll cheat the wind 1262 01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,800 Speaker 1: a little bit. Um. Well, that's a tough that's a 1263 01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:53,800 Speaker 1: tough question. I'm kind of fumbling over my words here 1264 01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,160 Speaker 1: because I keep thinking of all these different scenarios. Is 1265 01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,280 Speaker 1: he saying the wind has to be blown out into 1266 01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,200 Speaker 1: the field. I don't know. If can you hunt it 1267 01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,480 Speaker 1: from a different wind. Let's say you can. Let's say 1268 01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,200 Speaker 1: you can hunt it from a different wind or whatever 1269 01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:09,680 Speaker 1: scenario you want to paint. Yeah, Okay, So like if 1270 01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,280 Speaker 1: that was happening, if the wind, if you're hunting it 1271 01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,640 Speaker 1: and the winds blowing out in the field and you're 1272 01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,920 Speaker 1: getting caught, Like, that's not a scenario I would set 1273 01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:18,680 Speaker 1: up for anymore. I'd use more of a like an 1274 01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:22,040 Speaker 1: off wind or a or a perpendicular wind, like blowing 1275 01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,200 Speaker 1: to the side. I guess, um, you know, try to 1276 01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,840 Speaker 1: try to hunt that movement coming in perpendicular instead of 1277 01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,599 Speaker 1: like in line with it. Meaning you know, if deer 1278 01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:36,680 Speaker 1: coming out and coming by me, um, and then they 1279 01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:38,479 Speaker 1: end up behind me and that's right where my wind 1280 01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,920 Speaker 1: is blowing, that's that's not gonna work. But you can 1281 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,800 Speaker 1: hunt kind of to the side of that travel with 1282 01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,280 Speaker 1: the wind in your face, and you could be perfect, 1283 01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,479 Speaker 1: perfectly fine. Um. So it's it's it's a matter of 1284 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:54,080 Speaker 1: just finding that that perfect position, Um, you know, where 1285 01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,240 Speaker 1: you can be where you can get away with that. 1286 01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:59,160 Speaker 1: I guess one thing I will say, in areas that 1287 01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:05,280 Speaker 1: have really high deer density, um, from my experience, a 1288 01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:07,680 Speaker 1: lot of times, like you know, there's a big emphasis 1289 01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:09,759 Speaker 1: on you know, getting close to buck beds and stuff. 1290 01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,680 Speaker 1: But I've hunted some really high deer density stuff to 1291 01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:16,160 Speaker 1: the east, um, the east part of the country, and 1292 01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:22,599 Speaker 1: that's a really difficult um set up, is getting close 1293 01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,519 Speaker 1: to where the bucks are betted because there's so many deer. 1294 01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,680 Speaker 1: So what I found is the better approach is to 1295 01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,120 Speaker 1: hunt way way back because there's so such high competition 1296 01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,439 Speaker 1: that you know, this group of deer, the younger deer 1297 01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,840 Speaker 1: and does get up first, then the younger bucks, and 1298 01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,719 Speaker 1: then those big bucks will get up and move, assuming 1299 01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:43,680 Speaker 1: all the other deer have, you know, traveled undisturbed. So 1300 01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,559 Speaker 1: I've actually had a really good success at older deer hunting, 1301 01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,240 Speaker 1: hunting back like where I would never hunt in Michigan, 1302 01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,280 Speaker 1: closer to the food source or way away from the bedding. 1303 01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,040 Speaker 1: You know, I don't, I don't. I'm talking on like 1304 01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,200 Speaker 1: a bed defeat pattern, but backing off and letting all 1305 01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,920 Speaker 1: those dear um and and hopefully you know you got 1306 01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:04,559 Speaker 1: your wind and your setup right, and then you're just 1307 01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,479 Speaker 1: patient and waiting for all the deer to come or 1308 01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,640 Speaker 1: come through. That's kind of how I got killed my 1309 01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:14,680 Speaker 1: buck last year. Yeah, But as far as uh, I 1310 01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:16,240 Speaker 1: don't know, I hope, I hope that's clear it's a 1311 01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,320 Speaker 1: it's kind of a tricky question because I wasn't sure 1312 01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:20,840 Speaker 1: where he was going with that with the wind. But 1313 01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:24,240 Speaker 1: I wouldn't hunt like in line where my wind is 1314 01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,240 Speaker 1: blowing out into the field. If if deer we're gonna 1315 01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:27,840 Speaker 1: end up in the field, you gotta think of it 1316 01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:31,599 Speaker 1: in terms of you gotta stay undetected for that buck 1317 01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,360 Speaker 1: to you know, if he's gonna come out, you've got 1318 01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:37,320 Speaker 1: to stay undetected. Or if it's a situation where you can't, 1319 01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,200 Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't hunt it. I only hunt the 1320 01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:41,320 Speaker 1: wind where I could do that, And it might it 1321 01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,800 Speaker 1: might mean if there's no tree, it might mean you're 1322 01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,960 Speaker 1: you're crawling, or you're hunched over and you're sneaking in 1323 01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:50,960 Speaker 1: and you're hunting from the ground, or you're hunting from 1324 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,080 Speaker 1: a you know, inside of a behind some some cover 1325 01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,160 Speaker 1: or something. Whatever you gotta do to get in the 1326 01:10:56,200 --> 01:11:00,720 Speaker 1: spot where you can utilize that wind and stay undetected it. Now, 1327 01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,320 Speaker 1: as far as he said that the deer was entering 1328 01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:06,439 Speaker 1: from a ditch, I'm assuming low he's entering the field 1329 01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,560 Speaker 1: at the low spot. That can be tricky. What you 1330 01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,280 Speaker 1: want to do in those situations is do not hunt 1331 01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,479 Speaker 1: it on a calm evening. You need you need an 1332 01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,439 Speaker 1: evening where there's a stiff enough breeze that it's going 1333 01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:20,920 Speaker 1: to override those thermals like I've been burned so many 1334 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,559 Speaker 1: times where you know, it says there's gonna be you know, 1335 01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,599 Speaker 1: ten to eight mile per hour winds, and I set 1336 01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,200 Speaker 1: up in a situation like that and then it just 1337 01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:32,240 Speaker 1: the last twenty minutes, it goes down to nothing, and 1338 01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,120 Speaker 1: then everything pulls down in that area, and then I 1339 01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:37,040 Speaker 1: hear a deer snort, and you know the game is over. 1340 01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,680 Speaker 1: So you really got to pick and choose. Don't just go, 1341 01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,920 Speaker 1: you know, hunt that set up Willie nearly on any night. 1342 01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,120 Speaker 1: Really look at the forecast, see what the winds doing, 1343 01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,760 Speaker 1: make sure it's consistent, make sure it's blowing into an 1344 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,920 Speaker 1: area that's unlikely to have deer get down wind of you. 1345 01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,400 Speaker 1: So that that's I guess that's how I tackle that question. 1346 01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,320 Speaker 1: I could I could go more ways with it, but 1347 01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,320 Speaker 1: you know, I was a little confused at first, but 1348 01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,640 Speaker 1: I think that kind of touches on it. Yeah, I 1349 01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,439 Speaker 1: would just I would like the simple way I would 1350 01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:11,760 Speaker 1: look at it is that you either you you got 1351 01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,960 Speaker 1: to give up something. Either you give give up nothing, 1352 01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,080 Speaker 1: and by that I mean you you just choose not 1353 01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,000 Speaker 1: to hunt it, because you can't hunt that spot without 1354 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:20,960 Speaker 1: spooking to any deer, and if you're spooking all those dose, 1355 01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,200 Speaker 1: you're spooking the buck. So maybe that's the spot you 1356 01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:27,400 Speaker 1: just can't hunt. Um or number two, you have to 1357 01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:31,000 Speaker 1: give up something, and so you just use whatever intel 1358 01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,439 Speaker 1: in past history. You have to determine where the lowest 1359 01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:38,479 Speaker 1: risk spot is. And then as you describe hunting off 1360 01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,880 Speaker 1: wind that rather than blowing straight out into the field 1361 01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:45,599 Speaker 1: instead comes parallel to the field, blowing cross ways. And 1362 01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,400 Speaker 1: then get as far down as you can so that 1363 01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:53,559 Speaker 1: you know you've got you know, two seventy degrees or 1364 01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,679 Speaker 1: something like that of safe space and just that small 1365 01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:00,120 Speaker 1: wedge down to the other side of the field that 1366 01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,640 Speaker 1: is you know, at risk, and hopefully that's going to 1367 01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,680 Speaker 1: be the spot that is least likely to have to 1368 01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:07,599 Speaker 1: have deer coming out there. But but I have this 1369 01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,479 Speaker 1: exact scenario that plays out on one of the properties 1370 01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:14,240 Speaker 1: that hunt and it's a spot that I've seen bucks 1371 01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,080 Speaker 1: that I want to take a crack come out when 1372 01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:17,880 Speaker 1: I'm not there, and so I always try to give 1373 01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,559 Speaker 1: it a shot, you know, once a year something, depending 1374 01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,120 Speaker 1: on what's going on, and it is really hard to 1375 01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:27,360 Speaker 1: pull off. Um, I've had to below my wind cross 1376 01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:30,840 Speaker 1: and into the woods a little bit, but knowing that's 1377 01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,599 Speaker 1: the one least likely corner that they usually don't come out. 1378 01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:35,639 Speaker 1: So as I've gotten to figure out the spot better, 1379 01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:37,720 Speaker 1: I know the winds, I can hunt more safely now 1380 01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:39,040 Speaker 1: on it. But it is a little bit of a 1381 01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:42,920 Speaker 1: risky proposition when you have so many deer. But you know, 1382 01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:47,439 Speaker 1: if you're spooking, if you're spooking those doughs, it's it's 1383 01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:49,519 Speaker 1: just as bad as spooking the bucks sometimes when there's 1384 01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,400 Speaker 1: that many deer because you get that cascade effect where 1385 01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,280 Speaker 1: you spook that first group of tendos that comes out 1386 01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:58,400 Speaker 1: and they push everything back when they run in into 1387 01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:03,160 Speaker 1: the woods, and then your bucks never gonna come on. So, yeah, 1388 01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:05,519 Speaker 1: it is, that's a good question. It's it's it's really 1389 01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:09,439 Speaker 1: it's kind of that situation. Is it can be really 1390 01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:11,640 Speaker 1: high risk, higher reward, like if I'm gonna move in 1391 01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,720 Speaker 1: and it's a it's a touchy situation like that. I 1392 01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,400 Speaker 1: want to be I want to be sure, like if 1393 01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:18,760 Speaker 1: if I saw that do that a few times, or 1394 01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,160 Speaker 1: I have some intel that he had done that. You know, 1395 01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,960 Speaker 1: I would absolutely move in and and give that a shot. 1396 01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,040 Speaker 1: But just do like what you said and try to 1397 01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:29,200 Speaker 1: keep that wind blowing into the least likely spot where 1398 01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,519 Speaker 1: a deer will get down wind, and there's usually you 1399 01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:35,160 Speaker 1: can usually do that, you know. Um, it's just sometimes 1400 01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,120 Speaker 1: you gotta get creative. There might not be a tree there, 1401 01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:39,559 Speaker 1: or I like what you said to it just might 1402 01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,320 Speaker 1: not be the spot. It might not be the spot 1403 01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:43,840 Speaker 1: to kill him, which is a tough thing to kind 1404 01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,800 Speaker 1: of terms with. It's really hard. It's really hard to 1405 01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,599 Speaker 1: give up on a spot if it if it looks good, 1406 01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,040 Speaker 1: or if you know, if you've gotten pictures of a 1407 01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:53,880 Speaker 1: buck there, or if you've seen a buck there, it's 1408 01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,080 Speaker 1: really hard to take that off the off the table 1409 01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:00,919 Speaker 1: as an option. But again, if you keep on educating 1410 01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:02,720 Speaker 1: them every time you go there, you're never gonna get 1411 01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,320 Speaker 1: the shot, even though you see him every time you're 1412 01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:07,600 Speaker 1: not hunting there. Um, sometimes you get know when to 1413 01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:14,000 Speaker 1: pull the plug. Okay, seth asks, And this is a situation. 1414 01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can really answer this one, 1415 01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,160 Speaker 1: because I don't know if I've hunted this scenario. I 1416 01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:19,680 Speaker 1: gotta think about a little more, but I don't think 1417 01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:23,920 Speaker 1: I've hunted. Yeah, I've found something kind of like this, 1418 01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:27,040 Speaker 1: but I know you for sure have um seth asks. 1419 01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,479 Speaker 1: What are some tips you have for scouting or hunting 1420 01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,320 Speaker 1: a sixty acre woods or let's just say a small 1421 01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,599 Speaker 1: chunk of timber that's surrounded by agg on all four sides. 1422 01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:39,519 Speaker 1: He hunts in Ohio. So this is a situation. I 1423 01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,560 Speaker 1: know a lot of guys deal with up in northwestern 1424 01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:43,960 Speaker 1: Ohio where there's tons of agg and then there's these 1425 01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,360 Speaker 1: small wood lots, like a little square wood lot ten 1426 01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:49,000 Speaker 1: acres or forty acres, and then it's agg all the 1427 01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,160 Speaker 1: way around it. Um, what are some tipts for scouting 1428 01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:55,000 Speaker 1: hunting something like that. He says that he gets deer 1429 01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,920 Speaker 1: and camera all summer, but then their patterns changing the 1430 01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,719 Speaker 1: fall and they disappear. Um, what's your take on those 1431 01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:05,240 Speaker 1: isolated wood lots surrounded by egg? Yeah? I get the 1432 01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:10,519 Speaker 1: same experience. Um. You know, I'll scout out bachelard group 1433 01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:15,560 Speaker 1: of bucks all summer. Um. And at least I'm assuming 1434 01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,519 Speaker 1: you know, if he might hunt a fairly similar area 1435 01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,400 Speaker 1: where I hunt in Ohio, where the farming communities. They're 1436 01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:23,479 Speaker 1: just really aggressive and they'll a lot of times get 1437 01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:27,479 Speaker 1: the food out really fast, sometimes like right as season opens, 1438 01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,639 Speaker 1: and it just changes everything. You know. And those those 1439 01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:33,320 Speaker 1: wood lots in the area where it's a lot of 1440 01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:37,760 Speaker 1: little wood lots, you know, my and his and and 1441 01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,519 Speaker 1: every other hunter, their first instinct is to go and 1442 01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:45,479 Speaker 1: hunt those wood lots. And the mature deer figure that 1443 01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:53,240 Speaker 1: out really quick. And I have killed, uh, outside of 1444 01:16:53,280 --> 01:17:00,120 Speaker 1: the all of my mature deer in that part of Ohio. Um, 1445 01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:05,479 Speaker 1: outside of those woodlots on the ground. Um, I've killed 1446 01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:06,960 Speaker 1: a couple from a tree, but they were more like 1447 01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:11,479 Speaker 1: kind of late October rut type thing funnels. But if 1448 01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,599 Speaker 1: you if that, if you look outside of those woodlots, 1449 01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,880 Speaker 1: think of those woodlots as they get a lot of 1450 01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:20,000 Speaker 1: traffic from humans, other hunters, et cetera. Unless you're in 1451 01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,240 Speaker 1: an area that has really low bow pressure for some reason, 1452 01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,400 Speaker 1: then they could be good. Um, sixty acres is pretty big. 1453 01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:28,400 Speaker 1: That's a lot bigger than anything I have up around here. 1454 01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:33,160 Speaker 1: But um, the ditches and the drainages and the hedgerows 1455 01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:36,719 Speaker 1: that connect all these woodlots, the little island of trees 1456 01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:40,599 Speaker 1: the cornfield edges, the clump of trees that's on the 1457 01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:44,280 Speaker 1: edge of the corn field. Um that by you know 1458 01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,160 Speaker 1: the bisects like a corn and bean field, like where 1459 01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,200 Speaker 1: the edge meats and there's a clump of trees there. 1460 01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,840 Speaker 1: These are the spots where I find the big bucks lay. 1461 01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:58,000 Speaker 1: And that's where that's where I've been able to to 1462 01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:00,320 Speaker 1: scout these deer and get on these deer and kill 1463 01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,439 Speaker 1: him from the ground. Um. That's not to say this 1464 01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:07,640 Speaker 1: woodlock couldn't be good if there's you know, maybe some 1465 01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,639 Speaker 1: oaks in there and there's nobody hunting it and it 1466 01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,000 Speaker 1: gets relatively low pressure. But it sounds like he's seeing 1467 01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:16,439 Speaker 1: them in the summer and then there's just kind of 1468 01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:20,280 Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. Um. Up around here is a 1469 01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,439 Speaker 1: fairly low deer density. And once that food starts coming 1470 01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:25,720 Speaker 1: out early season, and it comes out early, like the 1471 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,000 Speaker 1: first few days of the boat season, and it starts 1472 01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,120 Speaker 1: coming out really quick the deer. A lot of the 1473 01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:34,680 Speaker 1: deer travel and they almost do like almost like a 1474 01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:40,000 Speaker 1: little migration and gravitate towards those big chumps of private 1475 01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:43,040 Speaker 1: property that have just that supreme cover or these like 1476 01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,559 Speaker 1: little metroparks, like little parks where there's no hunting that 1477 01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:50,640 Speaker 1: are within like five miles all of a sudden, you know, 1478 01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,680 Speaker 1: some of these deer are are literally traveling. They're very 1479 01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,439 Speaker 1: nomadic in that type of situation, and they'll they'll they'll 1480 01:18:56,479 --> 01:19:01,559 Speaker 1: go to these these properties that have much better cover 1481 01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:06,920 Speaker 1: or lighter pressure, um and they'll they'll travel um and 1482 01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:10,160 Speaker 1: and totally relocate. But if it's a if it's a 1483 01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,600 Speaker 1: situation like last year it was really wet and a 1484 01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,599 Speaker 1: lot of those crops and everything stood uh stayed standing 1485 01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,720 Speaker 1: into November, early November, then you could still be in 1486 01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,719 Speaker 1: for a good hunt, especially if there's like corn and 1487 01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,840 Speaker 1: beans and good food like around those wood lots. Um. 1488 01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,880 Speaker 1: So last year I saw a lot of the deer 1489 01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,679 Speaker 1: hung around, you know, these hedgerows and these ditches and stuff. 1490 01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,880 Speaker 1: But if he's having trouble finding them in that particular 1491 01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:37,479 Speaker 1: wood lot, and maybe that that wood lots kind of 1492 01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:40,559 Speaker 1: like mature timber, there's not maybe not a real good 1493 01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,400 Speaker 1: food source or anything in there, or or just good 1494 01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:47,800 Speaker 1: thick betting you know, betting cover. Look outside of that, 1495 01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:52,720 Speaker 1: Look at the little the little features, the little drainages, 1496 01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:56,679 Speaker 1: the little ditches, the little creeks, um and and focus 1497 01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,160 Speaker 1: on those and really walk those, and that's where these 1498 01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:01,280 Speaker 1: deer will high and they will they will bed in 1499 01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:05,720 Speaker 1: those are behind the old abandoned farmhouse, um you know, 1500 01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,040 Speaker 1: in actually in the standing corn you know, where you 1501 01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,040 Speaker 1: see like a little island of trees or a soil 1502 01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,400 Speaker 1: where the farmer couldn't plant. These are the spots that 1503 01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,439 Speaker 1: these these bigger, mature bucks are hiding. Like I said, 1504 01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:18,479 Speaker 1: outside the rut. Every year i've shot down there has 1505 01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,880 Speaker 1: been from the ground. It's pretty interesting. And I haven't 1506 01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:27,000 Speaker 1: hunted that kind of country where it's so much eggland 1507 01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:28,800 Speaker 1: and just those small wood lots like that. But I 1508 01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:30,560 Speaker 1: know a guy talked to a few years ago that 1509 01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,479 Speaker 1: hunted something just like that same kind of area of 1510 01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:37,080 Speaker 1: Ohio we're talking, and he did something very similar to you, 1511 01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:41,439 Speaker 1: and that he only hunted fields, and the only hunted ditches, 1512 01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:45,160 Speaker 1: and he was using trag gear hunting on the ground, 1513 01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:48,160 Speaker 1: hunting ditches, just hunting along little creeks or whatever that 1514 01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,799 Speaker 1: run through or swales that run through standing corn fields. 1515 01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:54,600 Speaker 1: And he killed some really nice bucks like that. So 1516 01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,240 Speaker 1: I think that makes a lot of sense because the challenge, 1517 01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:58,360 Speaker 1: I think, as he alluded to, with a lot of 1518 01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:02,519 Speaker 1: those relatively small wood pots. Is either a the corn 1519 01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,080 Speaker 1: comes out and then there's these little tiny islands to cover, 1520 01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,000 Speaker 1: and it's really hard to penetrate into there at all 1521 01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,160 Speaker 1: without spook and deer out the other side. And so 1522 01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,040 Speaker 1: either the too open the whole deer or you spook 1523 01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,720 Speaker 1: everything when you go in there, or you know it's 1524 01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:18,880 Speaker 1: just so wide open that they never come out. So 1525 01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,880 Speaker 1: so yes, I really like your idea of of attacking 1526 01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:24,880 Speaker 1: it from a different angle. That makes a lot of sense. 1527 01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:31,719 Speaker 1: Here's one that's kind of, um, kind of similar. JB 1528 01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:36,080 Speaker 1: asks what terrain feature or piece of deer sign has 1529 01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:40,040 Speaker 1: brought to you the most consistent sightings or opportunities and 1530 01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,800 Speaker 1: is this different for different times of the year. Um. 1531 01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:45,519 Speaker 1: And when I hear this, the first thing I jumped to, 1532 01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:52,639 Speaker 1: if I had to pick something would be I'm probably 1533 01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:57,559 Speaker 1: gonna go with dope bedding areas because from late October 1534 01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:01,320 Speaker 1: through November, it's it's some thing that's universal. You can 1535 01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,800 Speaker 1: find that anywhere you go. Whether we're hunting in Nebraska 1536 01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:08,320 Speaker 1: or we're hunting in Montana or Maryland or Michigan or Ohio, 1537 01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,400 Speaker 1: there's gonna be doe betting areas somewhere Like that's a 1538 01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:13,600 Speaker 1: great starting point if you're hunting a new place and 1539 01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,120 Speaker 1: you're trying to figure it out, and if you're hunting 1540 01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:19,280 Speaker 1: anywhere within that pre rut to rut to post rut 1541 01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:22,200 Speaker 1: kind of time period, there's gonna be bucks that relate 1542 01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,160 Speaker 1: to doe betting ears. Like that's just a it's gonna 1543 01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,360 Speaker 1: happen no matter where you are, So it's a really 1544 01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,880 Speaker 1: good thing to to look at as a starting point 1545 01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:32,439 Speaker 1: there at least that's that's gets a hub, I know, 1546 01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,160 Speaker 1: like buck beds are hub, but doe betting airs are 1547 01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:37,400 Speaker 1: hub too, because where those doughs are for most of 1548 01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,599 Speaker 1: the day is where the bucks want to be um 1549 01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:44,760 Speaker 1: and you can figure those out relatively easily, probably more 1550 01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,759 Speaker 1: easily than you can in some cases find bucks because 1551 01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:52,439 Speaker 1: you know those doughs typically are bedded in spots, they 1552 01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:54,240 Speaker 1: are a little bit easier to get to. You don't 1553 01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:57,680 Speaker 1: need to go as far into nasty stuff and possibly 1554 01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:01,080 Speaker 1: spook stuff. So that's that's a piece of intel you 1555 01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:04,360 Speaker 1: can pick up with a little less impact and know 1556 01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:06,760 Speaker 1: that bucks will be relating to it in some way, 1557 01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:09,160 Speaker 1: you know, coming into it from a downwind side sent 1558 01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:12,200 Speaker 1: checking it trying to get in and around there at 1559 01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,200 Speaker 1: some point. So if I think back on a lot 1560 01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:19,759 Speaker 1: of my hunts, anything that's within that rut larger window 1561 01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:23,240 Speaker 1: almost always in some ways related to a doe betting area. 1562 01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,320 Speaker 1: So I think that would be my my first, my 1563 01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,640 Speaker 1: first crack at that one. Yeah. I think that's a 1564 01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:34,719 Speaker 1: great answer, um. That that if a guid did nothing else, 1565 01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:36,920 Speaker 1: you know, and only hunted the rut and hunted just 1566 01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,960 Speaker 1: doe betting areas, that's a great strategy, you know what 1567 01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,800 Speaker 1: I mean. That's I love doe betting areas specifically, you know, 1568 01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:45,840 Speaker 1: kind of like getting in there in the interior of 1569 01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:49,240 Speaker 1: the down wind side, favoring the downwind side a little bit. Um. 1570 01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:53,360 Speaker 1: And then you know those those those situations where you've 1571 01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:57,040 Speaker 1: got to maybe to dynamite doe betting areas that that 1572 01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:00,120 Speaker 1: are connected uh with with some sort of fun like 1573 01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,080 Speaker 1: kind of river bottom ground or you know, a creek bottom, 1574 01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:06,160 Speaker 1: or or maybe just a pinch where the woods narrows down. 1575 01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:11,679 Speaker 1: Another great one, um, I mean those those edges, those 1576 01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:16,960 Speaker 1: downwind edges and those funnels. I mean they probably almost 1577 01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:20,000 Speaker 1: almost every kill you could relate as somehow to some 1578 01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,400 Speaker 1: sort of edge or funnel, you know that kind of 1579 01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:29,719 Speaker 1: pinches down movement um or or encourages that type of movement. Um, 1580 01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,600 Speaker 1: there's no real there's no real. H I wouldn't. I 1581 01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:36,439 Speaker 1: wouldn't say a bucket bed because buckbeds are all different, 1582 01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:38,320 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, you got the ones in the swamps, 1583 01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,439 Speaker 1: and you got the ones you know, in the corn 1584 01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:42,479 Speaker 1: and in the marshes and everything. So I really like 1585 01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:46,400 Speaker 1: your answer as far as the best of the best, 1586 01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:50,599 Speaker 1: that's that's gonna that's gonna give you good action for 1587 01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:57,639 Speaker 1: nearly four weeks of the season. Yeah, Um, okay, well 1588 01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:01,200 Speaker 1: let me see here here one is more directed at you, 1589 01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:04,080 Speaker 1: but I might be able to give it, give something 1590 01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:07,800 Speaker 1: to it. Tim says that in a different podcast that 1591 01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:12,320 Speaker 1: you did with Jesse Coots, you mentioned that you had 1592 01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:16,280 Speaker 1: sought out Jesse's advice to work on a weakness of yours, 1593 01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:20,200 Speaker 1: which you had said to be hunting in the early season. Possibly, Uh, 1594 01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:23,120 Speaker 1: that was in the past. What weakness would you say 1595 01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:26,400 Speaker 1: you want to improve on now? If there is anything 1596 01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:30,960 Speaker 1: else that you're working on next? Um, I still feel 1597 01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:35,680 Speaker 1: like I a couple of years ago, UM, when I 1598 01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:39,880 Speaker 1: really kind of looked back over my hunting seasons and 1599 01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:43,880 Speaker 1: all the year I've killed. You know, there's certainly have 1600 01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,160 Speaker 1: been you know, quite a few killed during the rut, 1601 01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:49,200 Speaker 1: certainly quite a few and kind of that mid October 1602 01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:52,679 Speaker 1: time frame, and certainly quite a few in the early season, 1603 01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, and then there was like this this kind 1604 01:25:55,960 --> 01:26:00,120 Speaker 1: of gap you know later in the season. Um, you know, 1605 01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:04,000 Speaker 1: from maybe well, I mean really it was kind of 1606 01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:07,840 Speaker 1: like from mid November through the end of season there 1607 01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,559 Speaker 1: was just I had I have killed. So but it 1608 01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,479 Speaker 1: was like a handful you know, over you know, twenty 1609 01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,599 Speaker 1: some years. It just wasn't It just wasn't a time 1610 01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:21,080 Speaker 1: of the season where I was very effective. And a 1611 01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,560 Speaker 1: lot of that has to do with just not having, um, 1612 01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,840 Speaker 1: you know, areas that are are conducive to good late 1613 01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:29,599 Speaker 1: season hunting, and you know, a lot of it comes 1614 01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:31,760 Speaker 1: down to having good food available and that. And I 1615 01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:35,519 Speaker 1: realized that. So what I what I've tried doing the 1616 01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:40,240 Speaker 1: last few years was to start traveling, um during that 1617 01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,920 Speaker 1: time of year to some other states that maybe have 1618 01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:48,040 Speaker 1: a little bit higher deer density, UM, maybe a little 1619 01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:52,640 Speaker 1: bit lower pressure, maybe a little bit higher selection of 1620 01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:58,880 Speaker 1: older deer, and UM I've started to the last few years, 1621 01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:03,160 Speaker 1: I've killed some some really good like mature, like truly mature, 1622 01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:08,000 Speaker 1: like five six year old dear that I believe UM 1623 01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:11,200 Speaker 1: in the late season. So I've used that I've kind 1624 01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,960 Speaker 1: of left Michigan because it's just one of those I 1625 01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:15,519 Speaker 1: don't know, it's just one of those time frames I 1626 01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:17,160 Speaker 1: really struggle with here. But I think it has more 1627 01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:21,760 Speaker 1: to do with like the quality of the areas that 1628 01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:25,240 Speaker 1: I hunt and uh and lack there of of food. 1629 01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:27,840 Speaker 1: So I started traveling to those areas where it's just 1630 01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,040 Speaker 1: a little bit more target rich environment and you can 1631 01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:35,519 Speaker 1: you can kind of go and implement some of those 1632 01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:38,280 Speaker 1: strategies that you hear, you know, some of the guys 1633 01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:41,120 Speaker 1: that live in some of these other states that maybe 1634 01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:44,680 Speaker 1: your traditional big buck states are less pressure and you 1635 01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:48,439 Speaker 1: hear these strategies about post route or late season. Well, 1636 01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:50,040 Speaker 1: I've been able to go to some of these other 1637 01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:53,400 Speaker 1: states and actually put those practices to use and have 1638 01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:58,280 Speaker 1: some success. So that that's probably still my weakness and 1639 01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,360 Speaker 1: and something I'm still trying to get two better at 1640 01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:04,040 Speaker 1: and more experience with it. Honestly, I just needed more 1641 01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:08,479 Speaker 1: experience with that. UM. Like I said, in Michigan, a 1642 01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:11,799 Speaker 1: lot of times you're limited to these really smaller areas, 1643 01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:14,280 Speaker 1: and um, I mean if the deer there, they're not there, 1644 01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,800 Speaker 1: You're not gonna There's nothing you can do to kill 1645 01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:20,599 Speaker 1: a big mature buck there if they're not there. So 1646 01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:24,000 Speaker 1: so I went to areas where there's more of those 1647 01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:26,840 Speaker 1: and I can you know, track them down, basically on 1648 01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,679 Speaker 1: them down. Oh yeah, well, so much of this stuff 1649 01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,559 Speaker 1: is location dependent. When it comes right down to what 1650 01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:33,840 Speaker 1: you just said, I mean, you can't kill them if 1651 01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:37,160 Speaker 1: they're not there. And it is nice when you go 1652 01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:41,599 Speaker 1: to these different states, these different areas. It's it's very 1653 01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:43,800 Speaker 1: different than we deal with here in Michigan, as we 1654 01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,559 Speaker 1: both know. And uh, it's pretty fun when you find 1655 01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:51,200 Speaker 1: yourself in that kind of scenario. Yeah. Um, you know, 1656 01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:53,720 Speaker 1: I think one of the windows that I want to 1657 01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:57,240 Speaker 1: work on, as you started talking about times of year, UM, 1658 01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:00,960 Speaker 1: I found that I I really like the very very 1659 01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,920 Speaker 1: beginning of the season, early season. I really feel strongly 1660 01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:05,920 Speaker 1: about how I approach it. I feel like I've got 1661 01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:07,840 Speaker 1: a good thing nailed down, and I you know, if 1662 01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:11,519 Speaker 1: I've got some spots, I can get a crack of something. Um. 1663 01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,439 Speaker 1: And then again when it comes into pre rut. In 1664 01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:17,000 Speaker 1: the rut, I've got it. When it comes to late season. 1665 01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,559 Speaker 1: It's very spot dependent, like you just said, but I've 1666 01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,360 Speaker 1: always got at least one place that i know it's 1667 01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:23,639 Speaker 1: going to be pretty decent late season because I've got, 1668 01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,559 Speaker 1: you know, some control over it. So I've been able 1669 01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:29,479 Speaker 1: to find some local success on one of my late 1670 01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:34,040 Speaker 1: season spots. But for me, my wood window of weakness 1671 01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:38,720 Speaker 1: has probably always been um like mid October. You know. 1672 01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:40,639 Speaker 1: I usually I usually hit it hard the first few 1673 01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:44,040 Speaker 1: days of the season, and then once you get into 1674 01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:47,320 Speaker 1: that second week or even like the fourth day of 1675 01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:53,000 Speaker 1: October on until like the twenties of October, I have 1676 01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:56,880 Speaker 1: either I'd say two things. I said Number one, For 1677 01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,599 Speaker 1: a lot of years, I just was too risk averse 1678 01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:01,599 Speaker 1: at that time of year, and I was just worried, 1679 01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,519 Speaker 1: you know, the the October lull thing kept me from 1680 01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:06,840 Speaker 1: hitting stuff hard for a lot for a lot of years, 1681 01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:08,920 Speaker 1: and so I just stayed out for a long time. 1682 01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:12,559 Speaker 1: And then I've tried to as i've as I've kind 1683 01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,720 Speaker 1: of gotten more and more comfortable and seeing more and 1684 01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:18,160 Speaker 1: more examples of the fact that hey, yeah there's there's 1685 01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:20,280 Speaker 1: a shift there, but there's certainly still dear to be 1686 01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:23,320 Speaker 1: killed for sure. Um, I've started hunting more at that 1687 01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:27,040 Speaker 1: time of year, but I still probably have been tiptoeing. 1688 01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:32,080 Speaker 1: And a lot of that is because the spots that 1689 01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:35,719 Speaker 1: I end up hunting in many cases are the spots 1690 01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:38,040 Speaker 1: that I'm also still wanting to try to hunt in 1691 01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:40,880 Speaker 1: the rut, and so I'm not willing to blow it out. 1692 01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:43,400 Speaker 1: So I a couple of years I've said I'm gonna 1693 01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:45,680 Speaker 1: do this, and then stuff gets crazy or work or 1694 01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:47,479 Speaker 1: life for whatever, and I don't I'm doing it. But 1695 01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:52,479 Speaker 1: I want to dedicate more time from October four through October. 1696 01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:56,639 Speaker 1: I really want to get time and experience killing bucks 1697 01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:59,439 Speaker 1: from October four to within that window because I know 1698 01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:01,920 Speaker 1: it can be done, and I know it can be risky. 1699 01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,080 Speaker 1: So I just need to find spots where I'm okay 1700 01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:09,720 Speaker 1: swinging and missing a few times metaphorically um, and not 1701 01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:13,400 Speaker 1: screw up my rut plans. So that means traveling different places, 1702 01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:15,280 Speaker 1: or that means hunting some public stuff that I'm not 1703 01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:17,960 Speaker 1: as worried about. Um, But that's a window where I'd 1704 01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:21,360 Speaker 1: like to get more aggressive and and be more risk 1705 01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:23,920 Speaker 1: tolerant because I know I know people are doing it. 1706 01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:25,280 Speaker 1: I know I can do it. I just need to 1707 01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:26,880 Speaker 1: be willing to get in there and do it. So 1708 01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:29,840 Speaker 1: that's that's one of my areas I want to work on. Yeah, 1709 01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:31,920 Speaker 1: that's a good one. That's a that's that time of 1710 01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:35,840 Speaker 1: year that could be tricky and when really zeroing in 1711 01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:40,360 Speaker 1: you know on those those those buck beds that you 1712 01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:43,360 Speaker 1: have scouted and found in the past, that's like a 1713 01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:46,280 Speaker 1: great time to start bouncing around on those. And and 1714 01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:49,519 Speaker 1: I totally understand, like you know, in your situation, it's 1715 01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:52,080 Speaker 1: not something maybe you want to do like some of 1716 01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:56,599 Speaker 1: your your home turf. I guess um, you know, because 1717 01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:58,720 Speaker 1: you don't want to screw up maybe what could be 1718 01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:02,360 Speaker 1: the best time of year. But if you do, you know, 1719 01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,880 Speaker 1: for guys listening, you know, you know, take a page 1720 01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:09,559 Speaker 1: out of like Dan Infalts book where you know he 1721 01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:13,640 Speaker 1: has scouted so many of these buck beds, you know, 1722 01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:16,200 Speaker 1: over years and years now he's got this big library 1723 01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:19,479 Speaker 1: of buck beds and he can systematically hunt those on 1724 01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:21,920 Speaker 1: that you know, at the times of the year like 1725 01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:24,559 Speaker 1: this when uh that you're talking about, when the bucks 1726 01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,360 Speaker 1: aren't moving far, but they're in there, they're bedded somewhere, 1727 01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:30,639 Speaker 1: and you know, with some with some scouting and reading 1728 01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:33,639 Speaker 1: some fresh sign and maybe using a little truck cameras, 1729 01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:37,839 Speaker 1: you can zero in on where these deer are likely betted, 1730 01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,880 Speaker 1: and then it's just a matter of getting in into 1731 01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:44,679 Speaker 1: that window where you can encounter them in daylight and uh, 1732 01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:46,880 Speaker 1: that time of year. That's just I'm really kind of 1733 01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:49,840 Speaker 1: I'm doing a lot of in season scouting, but I'm 1734 01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:52,479 Speaker 1: I'm hunting a lot of those those buck beds that 1735 01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:56,200 Speaker 1: I've scouted that maybe I don't always know if it's 1736 01:32:56,520 --> 01:33:00,840 Speaker 1: a mature buck um betted there, or maybe I don't 1737 01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:03,000 Speaker 1: know for sure that you know he's bettered there, but 1738 01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:05,799 Speaker 1: I'll give it a sit because it was a really 1739 01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:09,439 Speaker 1: well used buckbed um And on other scenarios it might 1740 01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:12,920 Speaker 1: be where, hey, I'm still getting picture of this deer. 1741 01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,679 Speaker 1: I know he's in the area, he's likely betted here, 1742 01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:19,200 Speaker 1: and the conditions are right, the little drop in temperature, 1743 01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:22,360 Speaker 1: the winds perfect, I'm going in to hunt this particular bed. 1744 01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:25,280 Speaker 1: So that's kind of like how a lot of my 1745 01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:28,120 Speaker 1: hunts in that kind of small window you're talking about 1746 01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:30,720 Speaker 1: end up panning out. So this is something kind of 1747 01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:32,920 Speaker 1: related to that one. A little bits from a guy 1748 01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:36,360 Speaker 1: named Joe, And if I can paraphrase. His question here 1749 01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:40,439 Speaker 1: basically describes the situation where he's got a somewhat small 1750 01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:44,640 Speaker 1: property where if he leaves it alone, he usually going 1751 01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:47,519 Speaker 1: to have some pretty good action during the rut. But 1752 01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:52,320 Speaker 1: he has a new property owner one property away. It's 1753 01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:55,680 Speaker 1: a new neighbor who's coming and is now like a 1754 01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:58,840 Speaker 1: super serious deer hunter. Where previously nobody hunted it. Now 1755 01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:02,240 Speaker 1: there's a new deer hunter and he's planning food plots 1756 01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:04,439 Speaker 1: and putting in all this food and doing all this stuff, 1757 01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:07,080 Speaker 1: and now he's worried that there's going to be you know, 1758 01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:11,240 Speaker 1: this new competition one property away that you know, could 1759 01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:13,680 Speaker 1: pull this deer away. Where typically he knew that he 1760 01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:15,640 Speaker 1: would be the buck would probably still be there by 1761 01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:19,000 Speaker 1: October or November and he could hunt him. Now there's 1762 01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:23,040 Speaker 1: this new competition, all this new food. Um, how would 1763 01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:25,240 Speaker 1: you approach to Andy? Would you would you get more 1764 01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:28,920 Speaker 1: aggressive early or would you still, you know, play it 1765 01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:30,840 Speaker 1: safe and play on the rut. I don't know. It's 1766 01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:33,520 Speaker 1: a tough one. Yeah, that's tough one. I mean you'd 1767 01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:37,720 Speaker 1: let your I guess you'd let your you're scouting, which 1768 01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:41,080 Speaker 1: could be your you know, observation sits your trail cameras 1769 01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:44,320 Speaker 1: and and all that dictate what you're actually going to do. 1770 01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:48,040 Speaker 1: You know, if you're gonna I would never make that 1771 01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:50,840 Speaker 1: decision ahead of time. It would it would be a 1772 01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:53,360 Speaker 1: game time decision based on the information that I had 1773 01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:55,160 Speaker 1: in front of me, and I would try to seek 1774 01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:59,920 Speaker 1: that out through observation, sits, trail cameras, classing, whatever, whatever 1775 01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:03,599 Speaker 1: would be most conducive to that terrain that he's in. 1776 01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:07,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, um, but that's something that happens all 1777 01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:11,519 Speaker 1: the time. There's always factors that are changing, and if 1778 01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:14,000 Speaker 1: you want to stay consistent in an area that has 1779 01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:18,040 Speaker 1: higher pressure, you have to you have to constantly be 1780 01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:21,799 Speaker 1: evolving and adapting to that change. I mean there's spots 1781 01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:26,160 Speaker 1: that you know, there's spots that I've hunted um in 1782 01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:29,000 Speaker 1: the past that we're good that are just so crappy 1783 01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,360 Speaker 1: now I don't even bother. You know, you can't. You 1784 01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:36,920 Speaker 1: You've got to be constantly working at scouting new ground, 1785 01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:40,200 Speaker 1: accessing new ground, finding new areas so that when stuff 1786 01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:44,880 Speaker 1: like this does happen year, whole season isn't in shambles. 1787 01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:47,240 Speaker 1: You can just fall back on Plan B or C 1788 01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:51,080 Speaker 1: or d um. You know it takes a lot of time, 1789 01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:53,519 Speaker 1: It takes a lot of effort. But if you're getting locked, 1790 01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:55,320 Speaker 1: if you don't own the ground, if this isn't your 1791 01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:59,360 Speaker 1: own personal farm, and you get locked into one piece, man, 1792 01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:03,000 Speaker 1: I would feel so handcuffed by that because I don't 1793 01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:05,960 Speaker 1: have any single piece that can produce, uh, the kind 1794 01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:07,760 Speaker 1: of deer I'm after. Every year I have to go 1795 01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:11,080 Speaker 1: out and search many different areas to find one or two. 1796 01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,479 Speaker 1: And you know, if I didn't have those spots and 1797 01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:17,760 Speaker 1: constantly be looking for new ones like, I wouldn't have 1798 01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:21,639 Speaker 1: nearly the success that I do. So that's what that's 1799 01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:24,360 Speaker 1: what I would recommend. I would, you know, look for 1800 01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:29,120 Speaker 1: some real time information when season start picks up. Um, 1801 01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:31,599 Speaker 1: if the buck's there and you know where he's at, 1802 01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:35,120 Speaker 1: going after him. If if he's not, he's not moving 1803 01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:37,519 Speaker 1: much in daylight, you don't know where he's betted, and 1804 01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:39,320 Speaker 1: you think that you need to wait, you know, maybe 1805 01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:42,040 Speaker 1: towards that later part of October. Then wait, you gotta 1806 01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:45,599 Speaker 1: you gotta do you're scouting and make the best decision 1807 01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:49,040 Speaker 1: with the information you have in front of you. Would 1808 01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:55,000 Speaker 1: you ever swing for the fences earlier than usual? Though? 1809 01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:58,800 Speaker 1: If you if you felt like, hey, I know that. 1810 01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:02,400 Speaker 1: I mean it kind of is similar to the situation 1811 01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:05,479 Speaker 1: like when we're approaching opening day of guns season, when 1812 01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:08,799 Speaker 1: November is breathing down your neck, you know that, Okay, 1813 01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:11,240 Speaker 1: a few days from now, just gonna hit the fan. 1814 01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:14,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna swing for the fences because I gotta get 1815 01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:17,120 Speaker 1: ahead of that competition. Well let's let's you know, so 1816 01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:19,599 Speaker 1: in this scenario where you know there's going to be 1817 01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:23,240 Speaker 1: like a bunch of guys, are more guys hunting now 1818 01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:26,840 Speaker 1: than usual, even if your most recent sign or even 1819 01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:31,120 Speaker 1: if everything that you would typically do doesn't tell you 1820 01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:34,639 Speaker 1: to go for quite that hard. If you know that, hey, 1821 01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:36,880 Speaker 1: the weekend's gonna arrive and I know these three guys 1822 01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:38,960 Speaker 1: are gonna be hitting it hard, will you push the 1823 01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:41,519 Speaker 1: limits a little bit because of that? Or still you're 1824 01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:44,280 Speaker 1: gonna stick to your guns? Yeah? I mean, if if 1825 01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:47,120 Speaker 1: it's high competition like that, yeah, I I swing for 1826 01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:50,280 Speaker 1: the fences. I'll go for the aggressive sit and and 1827 01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:54,160 Speaker 1: go for it early. Again, it's situation dependent, you know, 1828 01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:57,200 Speaker 1: is it are the guys hunting weekend guys and they 1829 01:37:57,240 --> 01:37:59,519 Speaker 1: always hunt by the field edge up front? You know, 1830 01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:01,960 Speaker 1: then maybe it's not something you need to worry about 1831 01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:04,559 Speaker 1: if the you know, the buck here after is you know, 1832 01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:07,519 Speaker 1: towards the back of the swamp. Again, You've got to 1833 01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:10,160 Speaker 1: analyze all that and make the correct decision. But there's 1834 01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:12,600 Speaker 1: some spots that I hunt like some a lot of 1835 01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:16,439 Speaker 1: the private pieces, almost all of them, um are shared 1836 01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:19,439 Speaker 1: by many other hunters, and I will swing for the 1837 01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:21,240 Speaker 1: fences right from the get go on a lot of 1838 01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:23,960 Speaker 1: these pieces, um, you know, I'll go. I'll dive into 1839 01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:28,439 Speaker 1: that best that best spot, that best betting area for 1840 01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:31,320 Speaker 1: an early season kill. If if there's let's say there's 1841 01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:34,519 Speaker 1: I don't have a beat on a different one, I 1842 01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,240 Speaker 1: will definitely do that because it only takes two or 1843 01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:40,080 Speaker 1: three days for these guys to screw up the whole 1844 01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:42,639 Speaker 1: thing for the rest of the season. So I've definitely 1845 01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:45,640 Speaker 1: done that in the past. But you just have to 1846 01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:49,920 Speaker 1: For me personally, I have um a lot of areas 1847 01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:55,599 Speaker 1: too to go back on. So I'm just constantly analyzing what, Okay, 1848 01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:58,600 Speaker 1: what's what's the best move for this situation. And it 1849 01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:03,479 Speaker 1: sounds like for that guy particular, like maybe that's like 1850 01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:07,120 Speaker 1: his only piece, and I would work on I would 1851 01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:10,160 Speaker 1: work on, you know, finding some good public and knocking 1852 01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:12,840 Speaker 1: on some doors and getting some backup just in case 1853 01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:16,360 Speaker 1: you know that happens, and you know, his fears come 1854 01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:20,040 Speaker 1: true and and his season kind of goes down the crapper. 1855 01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:22,280 Speaker 1: You know. Well, that's one of those things that you 1856 01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:25,680 Speaker 1: do better than almost anybody I know, which is just 1857 01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:29,400 Speaker 1: always having a backup to your backup, to your backup, 1858 01:39:29,439 --> 01:39:32,040 Speaker 1: to your backup. And that's just not easy to do. 1859 01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:34,400 Speaker 1: I know that that takes a lot of time, a 1860 01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:37,519 Speaker 1: lot of work to get all these different spots by 1861 01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:40,440 Speaker 1: permission or scouted out on public and to keep access. 1862 01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:43,919 Speaker 1: And uh, that's tough. Like I know from personal experience, 1863 01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:46,599 Speaker 1: I've lost a lot of spots. I don't enjoy knocking 1864 01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:49,240 Speaker 1: on doors. I hate dealing with that side of things, 1865 01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:53,400 Speaker 1: and so I'm constantly lacking. I constantly end up settling 1866 01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:55,320 Speaker 1: for too few places. And every year I tell myself 1867 01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:56,920 Speaker 1: I need to do better. And some years I do better, 1868 01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:59,720 Speaker 1: some years I do where some years I've got circumstances 1869 01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:03,880 Speaker 1: that just don't allow it. But um, but you consistently 1870 01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:06,479 Speaker 1: do a good job of that. And and if, if, 1871 01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:08,800 Speaker 1: if ever, I had to point to like some of 1872 01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:10,960 Speaker 1: the things that differentiate your success from a lot of people. 1873 01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:14,880 Speaker 1: That's definitely one of those um you don't ever let. 1874 01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:17,200 Speaker 1: And again it goes back to what we started with. 1875 01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:20,040 Speaker 1: It goes back to being overprepared. You're not gonna let 1876 01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:24,599 Speaker 1: fate or bad luck to tear you from success. Maybe 1877 01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:26,679 Speaker 1: one of your property gets blown up, but on another 1878 01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:28,720 Speaker 1: property someone kills the buck here after and the other 1879 01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:31,479 Speaker 1: property to take off the crops and just plow everything up. 1880 01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:33,320 Speaker 1: And that one's crap. But you've got a plan D 1881 01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:36,360 Speaker 1: in a plan E. And uh, I think that's an 1882 01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:39,559 Speaker 1: approach a lot of guys could benefit from. Yeah, that 1883 01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:43,040 Speaker 1: stuff happens every year in Michigan, like every single year. 1884 01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:47,160 Speaker 1: You know, the spots get blown up by other hunters. 1885 01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:49,640 Speaker 1: The buck I'm after it gets killed, you know, this 1886 01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:53,080 Speaker 1: one gets posted, this one disappears, you know, and you know, 1887 01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:55,080 Speaker 1: if it's a spot I have permission on, this guy 1888 01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:58,719 Speaker 1: gets permission or I lose permission. Every year something happens, 1889 01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:00,280 Speaker 1: So you have to stay ahead of the game. You 1890 01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:03,240 Speaker 1: have to stay ahead of it so that you know 1891 01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:06,040 Speaker 1: when things do like that, things like that happened, it 1892 01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:08,479 Speaker 1: just doesn't wreck your season. And so say, Okay, you 1893 01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:12,599 Speaker 1: know I'm gonna fall back on all these other backup 1894 01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:14,519 Speaker 1: plans and then you know, in the off season, I'm 1895 01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:16,680 Speaker 1: gonna get back to work and scout some new some 1896 01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:20,000 Speaker 1: new areas, and the cycle continues on and on. Right, 1897 01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:24,600 Speaker 1: that's right, all right, man, Well, I feel like I 1898 01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:26,599 Speaker 1: feel like I've kept you here for a long time. 1899 01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:28,760 Speaker 1: We've got a bunch more we still haven't answered. But 1900 01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:30,360 Speaker 1: I think we got to pull the plug. I had 1901 01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:34,160 Speaker 1: to pull the plug. Actually, we're gonna have to We're 1902 01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:36,400 Speaker 1: gonna have to try to do some more of these. 1903 01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:38,040 Speaker 1: And because this is this is fun, and I think 1904 01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:41,040 Speaker 1: we're covering some good stuff. So yeah, those are those 1905 01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:43,320 Speaker 1: are good questions and a few of them are kind 1906 01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:45,800 Speaker 1: of challenging to think about. So I had a good time. Yeah, 1907 01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:49,080 Speaker 1: me too. Well, I appreciate you taking time to do it, man, 1908 01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:52,920 Speaker 1: and let's get together, shoot your bows and scout some 1909 01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:56,120 Speaker 1: velvet bucks here soon. Huh yeah, let's do it all right, 1910 01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:58,880 Speaker 1: all right, that's gonna do it for us today. Hope 1911 01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:01,680 Speaker 1: you enjoyed this one. Thank you for listening. If you 1912 01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:04,639 Speaker 1: have more questions, be sure to post those over on 1913 01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:07,559 Speaker 1: social media, whether that's the Wired Hunt on Facebook page 1914 01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:10,479 Speaker 1: or Instagram account. I try to do this Q and 1915 01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:12,920 Speaker 1: a podcast once every month or two, and we'll try 1916 01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:15,519 Speaker 1: to tackle some of your questions again come up here soon, 1917 01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:17,960 Speaker 1: so be sure to do that. Good luck with all 1918 01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:22,400 Speaker 1: your summer hunting prep, and until next time, stay wired 1919 01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:23,320 Speaker 1: to hunt.