1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Around two thirty PM, the Broward 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office responds to reports of a shooting with 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: multiple injuries at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School. Oh my god, 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: I have to gone God by every plade on the 6 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: what side of the school? Kids were freaking out, stunt 7 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: kids from some kids are on the phone. SWAT teams 8 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: go from room to room, securing areas before allowing students 9 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: and teachers to evacuate. I don't want the Broward County 10 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: Sheriff says. At least seventeen people are dead. Seventeen people. 11 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: It's insane, it's it's it's unnecessary, and there's no words 12 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: to describe how I feel right now. Like I was shaking, 13 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: I was was panicking, was all out panicking about the school, 14 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: like so many million ends of parents every morning drop 15 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: their children at school or the bus stop, and you 16 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: don't think twice about it. Well, today I am A 17 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: deadly school shooting goes down in Florida. Marjorie Stonewin Douglas 18 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: High School in Parkland in the last hours, the scene 19 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: of a deadly mass shooting. Why listen to this five? 20 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: I have the gunshot, Nickgog, I have the gunshot victim 21 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: by the by the entering the west glade on the 22 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: west side of the school, or my active thing on 23 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: a bide. I don't want to We don't know. I 24 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: ended up building of thirteen building building. You will form 25 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: a corpora? Did anybody have to sit out of the 26 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: friend Carter alcohol the gate with me? Now? A little girl, 27 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: a young girl, Michelle, who was barricaded trying to save 28 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: her own life inside the school. I Ancy Grace, this 29 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: is crime stories. Thank you for being with us, with me, 30 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, Ashley Willcott, Sarah Michelle, Dr Bethany Marshall, Wendy Patrick, 31 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: and John Limley. I want to go first to Michelle. Michelle. 32 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: Didmeyer barricaded in the school? Michelle? What happened? Um? So 33 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: we're in class, there's about like twenty minutes left in school, 34 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: and the fire alarm went off and we're all thinking, 35 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: like what is happening because we had a fire drill 36 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: earlier today and in my class, like the students are 37 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 1: trying to vinced my teacher that we don't have to 38 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: go because schools and named Ston, but she said, no, 39 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: it's an emergency. We have to go. And if that 40 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: student didn't try and convince my teacher, I probably would 41 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 1: have ran towards the area where the shooter was because 42 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: that's where my evacuation zone is. But since there was 43 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: a little later, there's a security guard downstairs telling us 44 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: to run the other way. At that moment, I still 45 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: thought it was a fire drill, so I then out 46 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: of the red gate. But then our assistant principal told 47 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: me to come back inside and go in the auditorium 48 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: and as I'm walking in, my aunt calls me because 49 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: my uncle is an emergency personnel, so he knew the 50 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: news right away, and they let me know what was happening. 51 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: Every single person around me, including the teachers, thought it 52 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: was an active shooter drill because they were told we 53 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: were going to have one soon just so we can 54 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: just you know, what to do in that situation, and 55 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: I I was the only person there who knew that 56 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: it was not a drill. And how to tell everybody know? 57 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: Like might everybody knows you're like, tell their family members 58 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: they love them, because there is a shooter. It's real. 59 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: And a minute, Michelle, how old are you. I'm seventeen. 60 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: I cannot imagine at seventeen. I mean, Ashley Wilcot at seventeen, 61 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: I was still watching cartoons. I'm still riding my bike outside. 62 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: I just can't imagine at that young age knowing you're 63 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: in the school with a school shooter. And it's a 64 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: whole different thing when you just see it on the 65 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: news and think, oh my gosh, this is so horrible. 66 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: But when you have family directly affected and you see 67 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: the videos, it is frightening traumatic and no seventeen year 68 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: old should have to go through it. But they also 69 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: need to realize, I mean, this is severe trauma they 70 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: now have gone through at a young age of seventeen. Michelle. 71 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: So you find out because you have a relative in 72 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: law enforcement or emergency personnel, and you start telling everybody, guys, 73 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: this is real, what what what was happening around you? 74 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: What was everybody doing, and saying everybody was just like 75 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: I've been calm, like it wasn't serious. Then they're telling 76 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: everybody like even the teachers were saying like it's just 77 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: a drill, like remain calm. And I had to tell 78 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: the teacher, I'm like, it's not real. My aunt just 79 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: called me and let me know what was happening, and 80 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: you know, we just need to stop speaking and get 81 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: down and like quiet so that way he doesn't know 82 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: that we're in here. And I it broke my heart 83 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: having to tell all these people that it was on campus, 84 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: Like I was the one who had to do it, 85 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: and I just just sat there on the auto turning 86 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: S four, shaking for the whole entire two hours that 87 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: I was there. What did you hear? What could you 88 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: hear in the background? Um, there was a security guard 89 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: in our room, so he was like giving us updates 90 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: about what's happening, and like there's just a bunch of 91 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: cops outside and they would come in and scream at 92 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: us to get down because some students weren't, and then 93 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: cops came in to like search behind the stage. And 94 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: it was just all very scary of everything that was happening. 95 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: So you were lying, you were lying on the floor. 96 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: How were you barricaded? Yeah, like we were um in 97 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: between the seats of the auditorium on the floor. Take 98 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: a listen to what we have obtained sound of the shooting. 99 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: Joining me right now with the latest John Limley crime stories. 100 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: Investigative reporter John, what do we know about the shooter, 101 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: Nicholas Cruise right now, the team who storms Marjorie Stone 102 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: and Douglas High School in Parkland on Wednesday afternoon. We 103 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: know he's armed with an assault rifle. What more do 104 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: we know, Nancy? Just in the past hour, we've that 105 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: he has been charged with seventeen counts of premeditated murder. 106 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: His name is Nicholas Cruise. He was booked into jail 107 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: in Broward County. He had been expelled from Marjorie Stone 108 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: and Douglas High School, UH, which is a small little 109 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: city about an hour north of Miami, which on Wednesday 110 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: became the site of one of the deadliest shootings in 111 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: modern US history, adding to the growing toll of mass 112 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: killings on school grounds. For months, UH students teachers had 113 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: been told that if he was to enter the campus, 114 00:07:54,840 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: step foot on the campus, especially with a backpack, that 115 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: students teachers were to immediately alert security because he had 116 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: been posting for quite some time, especially on Instagram, photos 117 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: of this arsenal of weapons he had at at seventeen UH. 118 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: These posts about how he was going to take down 119 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: law enforcement, how he was going to shoot up the school, 120 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: and as we now know, that is exactly what he did. 121 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: I don't understand this how everybody at school knew about 122 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: a teen boy having an arsenal and posting about shooting 123 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: up the school, but the parents didn't know. And another 124 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: thing I don't understand joining me is Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor. 125 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: If the school knew about it, how come the parents 126 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: didn't know about it? You know what, if I had 127 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: a gun in this house, it would be out in 128 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 1: the trash jump pronto. How did they not know about it? 129 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: If the school knew about it? And another thing, Wendy Patrick, 130 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: when you post photos and threats about blowing up the school, 131 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: that's what we call in the law a terroristic threat, 132 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: and that is a felony. Why why was this kid 133 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: just walking free making all these threats? Wendy. Yeah. One 134 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: of the things Nancy, you and I know from our 135 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: careers is it is tricky when you talk about how 136 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: to analyze things that are posted online and distinguishing between 137 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: free speech that is completely offensive and crime threatening crime 138 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: something that's actionable, something that can be acted upon. You know. 139 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: The problem, One of the problems I should say with 140 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: cases like this is first of all, we have to 141 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: assume people saw what was being posted online, because let's 142 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: face it, that's why I minute, wait, wait, wait, Wendy. 143 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: We just heard that from Limley that the school was 144 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: already on alert if they saw the guy come on campus. 145 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: So they knew, right, But that's only the first step. Secondly, 146 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: they've got to analyze whether or not it's something they 147 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: can go arrest somebody for. So it sounds like it's 148 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: stalled with the first step. People saw this, they knew 149 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: about it. Uh, they knew that he was a threat, 150 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,599 Speaker 1: and they actually worked administratively. The question now is was 151 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: there sufficient evidence? And we're now seeing it and we're 152 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: gonna be seeing more of it to actually decide, well, 153 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: this is something we can charge criminally and then we'll 154 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: be able to arrest him, we can get restraining order. 155 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: So it seems like it's stalled between step and did it. 156 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: And when I hear stall, that's the worst thing you 157 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: want to hear with me is Michelle Ditmeyer, who actually 158 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: a teen girl who had to barricade herself in the 159 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 1: school as one of the matt worst mass shootings in 160 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: US history, goes down to Michelle Ditmyer also joining me 161 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: her little friend Sarah Derby. Michelle, did you know this 162 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: guy or know of him? Um? I have seen him 163 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: around school before, but he got expelled before I was 164 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: in the school for a long amount of time. But everybody, 165 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 1: like at the school would call him and like, I 166 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: just kind of knew who creepy and psychotic. I mean 167 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: when you say kind of knew he was creepy and psychotic, 168 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: I mean I'm hearing all the warning signs that the 169 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: school should have been on alert. When you say everybody 170 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: knew he was creepy and psychotic? Okay, what do you 171 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: mean by Michelle. I had people in my high school class, 172 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: which was very small, that we thought were way one 173 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: guy in particular way high, strong, very emotional um would 174 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: would would break down. Was on the football team and 175 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: would break down before a game, sobbing and crying. And 176 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: I mean it was just I guess, stressed out and 177 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 1: you knew then, and sure enough it's followed through throughout 178 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: his life. I mean, you know, Uh, Michelle, tell me 179 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: about this guy. When you say creepy and psychotic, I 180 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: mean was it the way he dressed, was it the 181 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: way he acted? Was it something he said? What what 182 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: about him kind of like all of those. But I mean, 183 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: the school did do everything they could. They wouldn't let 184 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: him bring a backpack on school. They expelled him because 185 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: of behavioral issues. For all of I know, the school 186 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: followed every procedure correctly, and they are not to blame 187 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,719 Speaker 1: for this at all. You know, I think she's right 188 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: to a large degree. With me, a little teen girl, 189 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: Michelle Dittmeyer, her memory of high school is not the 190 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: senior prom or running for student body office. Her memory 191 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: is lying down, hiding behind a barricade, hoping she would 192 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: live to see her parents again, to see her family again. 193 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: After one of the worst mass shootings in US history 194 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: and a school goes down. We understand that a math teacher, 195 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 1: Jim Guard, who taught crews last year, says what we 196 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: were told last year he was allowed on campus with 197 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: a backpack. There were problems with him last year, threatening students. 198 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: He was asked to leave campus. Apparently he had been suspended. 199 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: You know, other students claim quote, I knew it was 200 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: going to be him. To Dr Bethany Marshall, l a 201 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: psychoanalysts joining us. You know, I've had so many victims 202 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 1: say I knew this was gonna happen. I talked about it. 203 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: We knew this was gonna happen. Everybody knew, Bethany, I 204 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: find it very difficult to believe this guy was not 205 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: already behind bars. I don't care if he's just a 206 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: team I'm surpressed to Nancy, and you know, all of 207 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: these school shooters, in fact, math shooters in general, always 208 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: break about it to somebody. They write a letter, they 209 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: post online, they have pictures of themselves on Instagram and Facebook. 210 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: They predict their own crimes. So these do not come 211 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: from out of the blue. It's very easy to tell 212 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: who is going to become a mass shooter because they 213 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: do not keep it to themselves. Even though often there 214 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: are loners. They do share their thoughts, and so the 215 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 1: idea that somebody just snaps, or you know, all of 216 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: a sudden, they just go crazy and grab a bunch 217 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: of guns is not a very sound way to think 218 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: about all of this. They contemplated unconsciously and consciously for months, 219 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: if not years. Look, I'm not looking for anybody to blame. 220 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: That's not what I'm about. I'm trying to figure out 221 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: why this happened, what could have been done to prevent it? 222 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: So it won't happen again. And to me, they're all 223 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: the signs Vincent, he'll probably an investigator joining me. I 224 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: mean online, this guy shared photos of him brutalizing animals. 225 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: He literally had posted on Instagram pictures of animals he killed. Gruesome. 226 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: He physically assaulted other students, and from what I'm understanding, 227 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: Vincent made threats on the school. I mean, when you 228 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: tell a kid you can't come on the school with 229 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: a backpack, it's because you think they've got a gun 230 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: in it. I mean, how how can it be argued 231 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: now the school wasn't unnoticed when they already told a 232 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: guy you can't come to school with the backpack because 233 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: there may be a gun in it. Yeah. Absolutely, Nancy 234 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: and I think Wendy touched on this. You have to 235 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: question what you can make a rest for what you 236 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: can investigate on social media because people live vicariously through 237 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: social media. But I think there's a much bigger issue 238 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: that no one's touching on. Yes, the school was unnoticed. Yes, 239 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: the school said he can't come on with the backpack. 240 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: But you're talking about a very large structure that holds 241 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: about people with two uh school resource officers that that 242 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: is a lot of ground to cover, a lot of 243 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: bodies to watch to try to prevent one person from 244 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: getting onto that school. So we need to start talking 245 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: about how do we secure our schools better to prevent this, 246 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: or if it does start to happen, how do we 247 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: make it go away a lot faster and more obsily 248 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: with less lives taken. Also with me, in addition to 249 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: Michelle Didmeyer who had to barricade herself in the school 250 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: as the shots rang out, is Sarah Derby her friend Michelle, 251 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: what was going through your mind as you're in there barricaded, 252 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: knowing there's a shooter stalking the campus opening fire Right 253 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: right at that moment, my mind was blank. I just 254 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: was thinking about all my family members. I was trying 255 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: to not let my grandma in New York know, but 256 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: the news reached there. Um, I just I didn't want 257 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: my family members to worry about me, even though they would, 258 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: And honestly, that's all I was thinking about with all 259 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: the people outside of that school, that I might never 260 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: see you again. Can you even and imagine the desperate 261 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: parents of these students still in lockdown, rushing to the 262 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: scene to find out if your child is one that 263 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: was shot dead. I can barely even put words to it. 264 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: Sarah Derby, what is your recollection of what happened? Dear? 265 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: Um like disgusted it. I was driving home and we 266 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: got a call him and said someone there's been a 267 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: shooting at St. Man. So I automatically get on the 268 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: phone to call Michelle because we've been texting five minutes 269 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: before any of this happened, like we've been we were 270 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: in contact all day, and she didn't answer, and I 271 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, maybe her phone dad, because the phone's 272 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: never charged. I was going through these things and I 273 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: called by the friend Samantha, and she said, no, this 274 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: is this is real, this is happening. And my first 275 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: instinct was truly like I started like head booking at home, 276 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: like I was like, I have to get home. I 277 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: have to get home, like this is I have to 278 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: do something. And it's just like the auto feeling of 279 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: like both like discussed and just like anger that like 280 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: someone like I knows multi people, I know this clothes 281 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: have to deal with something that Like you said, who Senior? 282 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: He is not going to be the same. That's why 283 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 1: I thought, like, now who Senior is just plost someone 284 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: that she survived in that shooting which should never have happened. 285 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: Seventeen dead when a teen boy opens fire with a 286 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: semi automatic rifle at a Parkland, Florida high school, fourteen 287 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: others wounded. Five have those have suffered life threatening injuries 288 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: or any critical condition right now. The teen boy, Nicholas Cruise, 289 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: concealed himself in a crowd fleeing Marjorie Stone and Douglas 290 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: High School. He clearly had planned this, even wearing a 291 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: gas mask to cover his face when he went in. 292 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 1: Can you imagine your child sitting at school looking up 293 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: and seeing a man with a gas mask covering his 294 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: face wielding a semi autumn at a weapon He took 295 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: uber to campus. That's how we know how he got there. 296 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: Seventeen dead, fourteen wounded, five in critical condition right now. 297 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: This guy wielding an a R fifteen semi automatic. On YouTube, 298 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: he says, I'm going to be a professional school shooter. 299 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to be a professional school shooter. And nobody 300 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: knew if the school told him not to bring a backpack, 301 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: then to you, John Limley. They hadn't told his parents 302 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: of the problem. He's posting photos of guns online. John well, 303 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: that's the thing, Nancy. We have learned in the past 304 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: several hours a little bit about Nicholas to his home life. 305 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: His father died about thirteen fourteen years ago. His mother 306 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: there died in November of this past year, and people 307 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: are beginning to wonder if this really set in motion 308 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: what happened yesterday in Parkland. Listen to this. He's been 309 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: a trouble kid, and he'd always had like a certain 310 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: amount of you know, issues going on. Uh. He shot 311 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: guns because he felt that gave him, I guess, uh 312 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: an exhilarating feeling. Uh his guns. Um he showed me 313 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: personally through his phone and stuff like that. I always 314 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: I started, I stayed clear of him most of the 315 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: time during uh my time in an alternate school. I 316 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: didn't want to be with him at all because I 317 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: felt like I didn't want to cause into conflict with 318 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: him because he gets an impression he gave off. You 319 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: were an alternative school with him, Yes, I actually got 320 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: kicked out my my junior year and then went into 321 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: alternative school h O c lc UM and that's where 322 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: I met him again. After dining kicked down to my 323 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: my junior year. Meeting him there I want to thank 324 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: our partner who is making our investigation into the Florida 325 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: school shooting possible. As we speak with one of the 326 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: team victims and her friend, it's Legal Zoom. Legal Zoom, 327 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: thank you for making our investigation possible. 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Imagine getting the call that your child 352 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: school is in lockdown because there is a quote active shooter. 353 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: You get there, the school's barricaded and there's a shooter inside. 354 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: To John in LA Crime Stories, investigative reporter, explain to 355 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 1: me what happened. How parents found out that their children 356 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: were barricaded behind school walls with a gunman in there, 357 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: with an a R fifteen wearing a gas mask. What 358 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: are the parents supposed to do? Sit outside of the 359 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: parking lot and twiddle their thumbs Nancy, To gain a 360 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: sense of just how this horrific day unfolded. I think 361 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: it's good just to hear how how an ordinary day 362 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: it began. The middle of the week. It's Wednesday, students 363 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: are already thinking about the weekend, but it's also Valentine's Day. 364 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: Students are exchanging cards, balloons, little stuffed animals. In many ways, 365 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: it's a day that you and I would recall from 366 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: our growing up years. Of course, we know it ends 367 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: far from that. Uh. Students had a little excitement around 368 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: nine am. As we've heard, there was a fire drill. 369 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: Everyone followed procedure, left the building, walked to their designated 370 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: safe spots, then went back to classes. The rest of 371 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: the day fairly unremarkable until just a few minutes before 372 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: the final bell was set to ring. David Hogg is 373 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: a seventeen year old student at Stoneman Douglas High School. 374 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: He was in an environmental science class. The teacher had 375 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: just passed out worksheets before they were set to go home, 376 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: and right at two thirty, David and his classmates heard 377 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: a loud bang. Everyone looked at each other. They thought 378 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: that sounded a lot like a gun. David's teacher quickly 379 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: closed the door, and within seconds that's when the fire 380 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: alarm goes off. Everyone students and teachers thought it was 381 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: strange to have to fire drills in the same day, 382 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: but didn't question it. They got up started walking to 383 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: the evacuation zone just as they had done several hours before. 384 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: As David's class is walking away from the classroom, they 385 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: see this tsunami of people running to were them. They 386 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: turned and followed the crowd down the corridor. What they 387 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: didn't realize was they were heading straight toward a shooter. 388 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: Just after David's class had left the building, a code 389 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: red had been announced right after the fire alarm. That means, 390 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: of course, an active shooter on campus. Luckily for David 391 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: and his classmates, there was a heroic janitor that stopped 392 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: them as they were running down the hall. UH. The 393 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: man warned them that they were heading straight for the gunmen. 394 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: After they turned around, Ashley Kurt, the teacher in charge 395 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: of the culinary program there at the school, funneled the 396 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: crowd into her classroom and within thirty seconds she had 397 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: thirty forty people in there. The lights were switched off. 398 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: One girl had a panic attack was given water, but 399 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: David said most of everyone was relatively calm. Then. To 400 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: make it all sink in just what danger they were in, 401 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: that's when news of the shooting started filtering through on 402 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: the student's phone owns. In fact, there was one UH 403 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: student that was live casting what was going on in 404 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: one of the nearby classrooms, and of course at this 405 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: point all they could do was sit huddled in that 406 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: dark classroom and wait. To Michelle Ditmeyer, who lived through this. 407 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: At first, you thought, as you were telling us earlier, 408 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: that this was just a drill, just a practice. But 409 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: you thought it was odd because you'd already had one 410 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: fire drill that morning. Tell me again when you learned 411 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: there was going to be another practice drill. What happened, Well, 412 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 1: we were like after winter break. All of the teachers 413 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: came up like with new procedures and went through every 414 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: single class like classroom they had, every single class period. 415 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: I had, every single teacher told us what to do 416 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: in every single situation that could possibly happen. And we 417 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: were told we were going to have a drill so 418 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: we know what to do, and um, everybody just thought 419 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: it was a drill and remained calm. And I was 420 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: the only person who knew before the media knew and 421 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: everything about what happened. And I was trying to tell 422 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: everybody like, it's not real, Like I mean, it is real, 423 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: it's not a drill, and I just crazy. You know, 424 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: Sarah Derby, you're seeing the fallout on your friend and 425 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: everyone else that lived through this, explain how all the students, 426 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: their children in the eyes of the law are responding 427 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: and reacting. Sarah, it's weird because everyone's here, especially in 428 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: Cool Springs Styla, which neighbor is Parkland. You everyone knows 429 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: someone that goes to Stoman, You go to the mall 430 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: in this twelve Stoman Douglass kids that you could name 431 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: off and so now everyone's just in the same thing 432 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: that all like what what happened? Like what is this? 433 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: It's just like a tense feeling because I fund to 434 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: my school I go to and a lot of y'all 435 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: go to school, and they all texted me and they said, 436 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: please tell me don't know someone that was in the school, 437 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: please please out And I'm like, I can't. You know, 438 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: it would cool swinging parks into small community. We all 439 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: know each like y'all know someone goes to Stonman Douglas. 440 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: Now it's having like thinking that I really people, you 441 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: know that people you see on the street. We're sitting 442 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: in the building fighting for their life for a reason 443 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: that there's no reason for its time to be done. 444 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: Looking at this guy, Sarah and Michelle, I keep looking 445 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: at this teen boy Cruise. The universal responses from students 446 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: and teachers, I wasn't surprised. Well, if they suspected this 447 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: was going to happen, why was he there? He had 448 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: already been kicked out of two other schools. This is 449 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: what I know from another student that had a couple 450 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: of classes with CRUs Quote. I got paired with him 451 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: for a project. He started talking to me about his life, 452 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,959 Speaker 1: how he had been held back twice, already expelled from 453 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: to school. He liked to reckless things, He enjoyed hunting. 454 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: I never got close to him because I always had 455 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: a feeling there was something wrong. Well we know that now, 456 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: Michelle Ditmyer. What do we know about the students that 457 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: lost their lives? Um? Um two of them are actually 458 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: in my graduating class that I know of. UM One 459 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: I've known since elementary school. He lives in the neighborhood 460 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: right next to me. And I just can't even imagine 461 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: how all they're very close friends and family, are gonna like, 462 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: how they're gonna cope from this, And it's just gonna 463 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: be so weird to be at graduation at com with 464 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: these people that are going to be there anymore. And 465 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: one of them was in my classroom, and that class 466 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: is never going to be the same. I I can 467 00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: only imagine, Ashley Wilcot. I can only imagine what parents 468 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: are going through this morning. And Ashley, I don't believe 469 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: that the school is innocent in this, because all the 470 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: students are saying, well, he was psychotic, he was weird. 471 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: He'd already been told not to come to school with 472 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: a backpack, So how did he get in? How in 473 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: between classes did he get in? Aren't school supposed to 474 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: be locked? You know? That's interesting? I asked that specific question. 475 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: It is an open campus quite frankly, Nancy, Many many 476 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: public schools throughout our nation or open campuses, meaning people 477 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: can come in and out. So is that going to 478 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: change in the future. Perhaps Here's the other issue I have, 479 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: not just for the school, but for anyone who knows 480 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: this child. As a parent, I would be saying, listen, 481 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: if you threatened to hurt or kill yourself or someone else, 482 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: it is grounds to be what we call ten thirteen. 483 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: That means put in a mental institution facility for treatment 484 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: so they can treat you, and it's somewhere that you 485 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: are not able to get out and do things to 486 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: actually hurt people. There were so many red flags in 487 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: this case, So why didn't that happen? Why didn't someone say, hey, 488 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: he really is threatening to hurt people, and he seems 489 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: to be a little crazy. We need to get him 490 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: some real help so that he could be in a 491 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: facility where he would be unable to actually carry out 492 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: his threats. Why didn't that happen? Well, Wenday, I think 493 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: earlier this morning they did report that late last year 494 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: he was under the care of psychiatric doctors. So obviously 495 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: there was something something there last year that people saw 496 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: that he needed help for. Unfortunately, it did not solve 497 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: this case. Here, you know, I'm going back to this 498 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: to Dr Bethany Marshall. Video emerging from inside the school 499 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: has one little girl crashed under her desk, holding her 500 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: hands up to her mouth, uh, clutching her hand over 501 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: her mouth as gunshots are blaring in the background. You 502 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: see children crying, screaming, bangs in the background, police cars 503 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: outside in a school. I'm not numb to it yet. 504 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: When I hear this, it's it's overwhelming to me, and 505 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: I don't understand why it keeps happening. I know, Nancy 506 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: and I saw one Uh, some footage that one of 507 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: the children had taken where there was a person who 508 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: had been shot on the ground and all you could 509 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: see was his legs with sneakers on it, and you 510 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: knew he was either mortally wounded or just in a 511 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: distressing situation. And and so the trauma that they went 512 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: through is not only what they had to see and hear, 513 00:32:54,440 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: but it's that this there's this unanticipated intrusion of something 514 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: that is difficult to organize mentally when you're in a 515 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: a moment. In other words, it's probably very disorienting. You know, 516 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: there's bodies everywhere, you're hearing you know, the pop pop 517 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: pop sounds. You don't know if it's a drill. You 518 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: don't know where the gun man is. Um. I just 519 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: keep thinking, you know, in the moment, how could they 520 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: have even understood clearly what was happening to them? But 521 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: you're you're asking about the gunman. Um, I keep wondering 522 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: about a copycat syndrome. I mean, I know that, you know, 523 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: historically there have been so many young people who have 524 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: a mental illness or who are sociopathic, or this guy 525 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: was orphaned, you know, had you know, I know, I 526 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: get it. The father passed away when he was younger, 527 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: about fourteen. The mom just passed away in November. He 528 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,959 Speaker 1: was living with a nearby family who said they had 529 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: had no problems with him whatsoever. But he goes online 530 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: and says posting quote, I'm going to be a professional 531 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: school shooter. I mean, Wendy Patrick, He's already been expelled 532 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 1: from school. He's been multiple times, He's been kicked out 533 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: of other schools. He's been told don't come to school 534 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: with a backpack. I mean, why is he getting in 535 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 1: the school? Yeah, I think, Nancy, we were gonna come 536 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: up with the same answers that to the questions we 537 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: asked after a couple other school shootings, including by the way, 538 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: some shootings in the community like the San Bernardino case, 539 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: Remember where there were red flags but people were afraid 540 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: to be the ones to blow the whistle. There is 541 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: this reluctance among people that perhaps know somebody that they 542 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: don't want to be the one that is responsible for 543 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: getting somebody arrested, for locking them up. When we live 544 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: in a society where that shouldn't be we shouldn't be 545 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: fearful of that. Uh. And we also have to remember 546 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: and a couple of you made this great point when 547 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: you talk about the fear of copycats, it's both provocation 548 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 1: and predisposition. In other words, seeing what this young man 549 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: posted online wouldn't spur law abiding, untroubled students to grab 550 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: guns and do the same. It is that sort of 551 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: inspiration and encouragement to like minded young people that are 552 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 1: already predisposed. So we hope that anybody that sees anybody 553 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 1: else posting and tweeting the kind of material this young 554 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: man was will be empowered encouraged to actually, really, what 555 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 1: good is it doing? Because now sources are claiming that 556 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: the FBI was alerted six months ago to YouTube user 557 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: Nicholas Cruz for his comment I'm going to be a 558 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: professional school shooter. Okay, the FBI knew six months ago? 559 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: You know. You know what I've got to say to 560 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 1: that they can all stuff it right up their nose, 561 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: because now there are seveneen dead while they and local 562 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: law enforcement and the school twiddled their thumbs. Yeah, that's 563 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: overwhelming to me. If this report is true that they 564 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: knew six months ago. I mean, Ashley Wilcott, there's no 565 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: excuse for this now, there's not. And when you know, 566 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: when those threats. They're real, right. We know we live 567 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: in a day and age where school shootings happen more 568 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: often than they should. So these are not idle threats. 569 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: No child says this and it's something they shouldn't consider, 570 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: shouldn't handle. Let me just add at this point, Nancy, 571 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: there is also um following this, a school not too 572 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: far from this current school in Parkland that a child 573 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: has now said and made a threat. Just watch out, 574 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: and if you do anything to me on Friday, guess 575 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: what I'm coming after you. There's a prime example of 576 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: that has to be taken seriously, which the school is doing. 577 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: Because these things happen, you have to arrest individuals for 578 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: making the threats. Right now, police are speaking listen. Sadly, 579 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: there have been copycat threats made today at other schools. 580 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,240 Speaker 1: We will respond to every threat, every threat we will received. 581 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: We will not classify it as a copycat or prank call. 582 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: We will respond in full and investigated any call that 583 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:33,399 Speaker 1: is made fictitiously, any faith call, any call that's made 584 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: to take out resources at a time like this and 585 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: place them in places where we don't need to be. 586 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,800 Speaker 1: We will do the full power of the Sheriff's office 587 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: will will investigate this and charge anyone accordingly with the 588 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 1: maximum charge we possibly could for doing something so horrific, 589 00:37:51,719 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: so pathetic. Uh. Governor Scott is going to come up 590 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 1: and speak, and then you're gonna hear from Special Agent 591 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: charge of the FBI. I'll return to the microphone, UH 592 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: and answer some questions. I think it's noteworthy that at 593 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,919 Speaker 1: our next press conference, I will be releasing a timeline 594 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: based on investigation and video that we've captured as to 595 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: what happened yesterday, and i'd like to take you through 596 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: it in chronological order. We're not ready to do that 597 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,800 Speaker 1: at this time, but when we are, we will be 598 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: back here and we will release that. Now, i'd like 599 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,800 Speaker 1: to introduce Florida's government, Rick Scott, Thank you, Sheriff. I 600 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: want to thank everybody in the Sheriff's Department for all 601 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: their hard work. UM, to make sure you know the 602 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: one this individual is we have justice, and two to 603 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: make sure this never happens again. So I think everybody 604 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: up here is gonna say the same thing. We are 605 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 1: our hearts and prayers are with these families, the families 606 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: that clearly lost the loved one other families that have 607 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: loved one still in the hospital, and the appornunon. I 608 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,320 Speaker 1: had the opportunity to visit with some of those families 609 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: last night, and then also, we want to make sure 610 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 1: this never happens again. The next week in Tallahassee, I'm 611 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: gonna sit down with state leaders. We're gonna have a 612 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,919 Speaker 1: real conversation about two things. How do we make sure 613 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: when a parent is ready to send their child to 614 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: school and in Florida, that parent knows that child is 615 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 1: going to be safe. Number two, how do we make 616 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: sure this individuals with mental illness do not touch a gun. 617 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: We need to have a real conversation so we have 618 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: public safety for our schools in this state. I've spoken 619 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,919 Speaker 1: with the Speaker, Richard Corker, Incident President Joe Negron. They're 620 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 1: committed to provide the resources and have a real conversation 621 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: about how do we make sure that we have public safety. 622 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: I want to make sure that my children and my grandchildren, yours, 623 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: everybody in the state can wake up and be safe. 624 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay here and everything I can. I know 625 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: all the state resources are gonna do here. I know 626 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: the Attorney General. Everyone's gonna work hard with the Sheriff's Department, 627 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: the school district to do everything we can to go forward, 628 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 1: but the violence has to stop. We cannot lose another 629 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 1: child in this country to violence in the school the 630 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,240 Speaker 1: There's many families grieving right now. We've got to grieve 631 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: with them more than with them. But give them their space. 632 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: There'll be a time that that theyn't want to sit 633 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: down and tell their story. But right now, as you 634 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: talk to individuals and we went through this with the 635 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,720 Speaker 1: post attack, they want they want their own time to grieve. 636 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: So I want to thank everybody for the Sheriff's Department 637 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: to f d ly, to the federal government for everything 638 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 1: you're doing, the school district for everything they're doing to 639 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,399 Speaker 1: keep people safe. I want to thank you at Tney 640 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 1: Gental for the victim advocates that are coming down here 641 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 1: to be helpful. Good morning. My name's Rob Lasky, and 642 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: especially to the charge of the Minami Division of the FBI. 643 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: First of all, I want to express my hardcot condolences 644 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: to the victims, the families, the friends, entire community who 645 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: suffered the senseless and cowardly act. The FBI continues to 646 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: stand by the broad kind of Sheriff's office, support them 647 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 1: and give them every work resource they need to investigate 648 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: this hanous product. In two thousand and seventeen, the FBI 649 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,760 Speaker 1: received information about a comment made on a YouTube channel. 650 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: The complic comments simply said, I'm going to be a 651 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: professional school shooter. No other information was included with that 652 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: comment which would indicate a time location for the true 653 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: identity of the church who made the comment. The FBI 654 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: conducted database reviews checks, but was was unable to further 655 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: identify the person who actually made the comment. Again, as 656 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 1: a native South Floridian, my heart goes out to the victims, 657 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: the families and friends, and the entire community. Thank you, 658 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 1: we are bringing you the very latest out of Florida 659 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: and joining us a little girl who was barricaded in 660 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,760 Speaker 1: that high school the same um the deadly as school 661 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: shooting in u S history with me, Sarah Derby and 662 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: Michelle Dittmeyer. Michelle, when you learn that the FBI knew 663 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 1: six months ago, according to sources, about this guy, this 664 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 1: team boy, and you know you're friends have been shot, 665 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: I can only imagine that adds to your grief that 666 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,319 Speaker 1: people knew about this. Do you think the school knew 667 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: about it. Did teachers and other students. They seem to 668 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: be a little bit afraid of him. I mean, yeah, 669 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: we were all a little afraid of him, but like 670 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,279 Speaker 1: I never knew he commented stuff like that. I never 671 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 1: saw his Instagram until after the shooting. Not many of 672 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: us were aware of all the stuff he was posting online. 673 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: And like I said earlier, um, as far as I'm concerned, 674 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: the school followed the disciplinary as well as they can 675 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 1: because they just had accusations. They didn't have part evidence 676 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 1: of it. And I don't blame anybody at the school. 677 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: It's terrible if the SB I didn't know about it. 678 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 1: But well, I understand what you're saying, because actley, every 679 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:37,360 Speaker 1: teacher that I would say, almost every teacher and principle 680 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,439 Speaker 1: that I've ever come in contact with, truly, I only 681 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 1: had the best intentions. You know, I was a teacher, 682 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 1: but teached you to my student teaching before I got 683 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 1: into law school waiting, and that was what I was 684 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 1: going to do if I didn't make it into law school. 685 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 1: And I don't recall any teacher, whether you approved of 686 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,920 Speaker 1: their methods or not, that I ever knew that didn't 687 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,719 Speaker 1: care about doing the right thing. For the students, and 688 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: sometimes I think teachers care too much. They For instance, 689 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: one a student that is having problems, you want to 690 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,479 Speaker 1: help them. You don't think, oh, they're gonna come commit 691 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 1: mass murder. You think what can I do to help 692 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 1: this student? So it's really a double edged sword when 693 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: you say the school knew, well, obviously they knew he 694 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: had problems because they told him he couldn't come on 695 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: school with a backpack. He had already been kicked out, 696 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,240 Speaker 1: he had been expelled, he had been held back twice. 697 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: And all those were things that were happening while the 698 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,359 Speaker 1: mom was still alive, because the mom just passed away 699 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. I don't know how hard 700 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,360 Speaker 1: I want to come down on the school, but I 701 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,400 Speaker 1: get But I guarantee you those seventeen students parents aren't 702 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: feeling that way this morning right now. I think it's 703 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,760 Speaker 1: a system issue for schools overall. It's our criminal justice system, 704 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,520 Speaker 1: because you raised it at the beginning of this show, 705 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: and that is when individual's threatened to kill other people, 706 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 1: it is terroristic threats, and so why is there no arrest? 707 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: Why is there no action against that individual to prevent 708 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 1: what happens? The families distraught to John Lilyam trying to 709 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:22,440 Speaker 1: find out what we know about Nicholas Cruse. What do 710 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,719 Speaker 1: we really know about him? I know he was holding 711 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 1: down a job at I think a Dollar Tree and 712 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,800 Speaker 1: they never had a problem with him. The family he 713 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: was living with said they didn't have a problem with him. 714 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:39,319 Speaker 1: What more do we know? We know mostly this young 715 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,880 Speaker 1: man by his Instagram posts. One of the most chilling 716 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: is back in the past few months he posted uh 717 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: an advertisement for an A R fifteen with the price, 718 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 1: all the details there, and he was essentially asking his 719 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 1: instagram all wars what they thought if this was, if 720 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,720 Speaker 1: this was a good gun, if if if he should 721 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 1: buy this gun. And it was just within weeks that 722 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 1: he actually did purchase one of these guns, that that 723 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 1: a R fifteen, that that took the life of what 724 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,840 Speaker 1: we now know seventeen adults and children. Authorities have not 725 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,480 Speaker 1: yet released the identities of the victims. Um There are 726 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,760 Speaker 1: are a couple of names that are posted on different sites, 727 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 1: but I don't feel comfortable reading those because I'm not 728 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:40,439 Speaker 1: sure of the sources. However, the school's football program did 729 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,959 Speaker 1: post that football coach Aaron Feiss was among the dead. 730 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 1: And that he actually threw himself in front of students 731 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,360 Speaker 1: as bullets were hailing down on Wednesday. To make this 732 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 1: even more tragic, this school, uh was his alma mater. 733 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,920 Speaker 1: We also know that he had made very very disturbing 734 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 1: threats on social media, that he bragged about guns, that 735 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,440 Speaker 1: people were afraid of him. To me, that's a very 736 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:16,960 Speaker 1: real and present danger, and I'm stunned that he had 737 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: not already been arrested or brought down, especially on basically 738 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:29,240 Speaker 1: on his threats on social media. Seventeen murdered at Marjorie 739 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,239 Speaker 1: Stone when Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, where this 740 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,640 Speaker 1: teen boy allegedly opens fire with an a R fifteen 741 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:43,719 Speaker 1: semi automatic rifle with countless extra magazines of ammunition. Why 742 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: he had been threatening students had been asked to leave 743 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,520 Speaker 1: senior staff at email teachers to warn them. He was 744 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: not allowed on campus with a backpack for reasons. Students 745 00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: even had joked about Cruz being a future killer. It 746 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,400 Speaker 1: was just a big joke. Well it's not a joke. 747 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:08,560 Speaker 1: To me, it's not a joke now. People that stated 748 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,959 Speaker 1: they had been friends with him said he had begun 749 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:18,120 Speaker 1: getting progressively more odd more weird, boasting about killing animals, 750 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 1: doing target practice in the backyard, going after another girl, 751 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:30,120 Speaker 1: threatening her. It just seems like it's too much to 752 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,440 Speaker 1: have been ignored. Ashley No, I agree with you, Nancy, 753 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,839 Speaker 1: and again I don't think it's an individual issues. These 754 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,719 Speaker 1: teachers throw themselves in front of their students to protect them. 755 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,239 Speaker 1: I think it's a system issue because there should have 756 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,080 Speaker 1: been an arrest. There are charges that are specific to 757 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,759 Speaker 1: the kinds of things he was doing, the threats he 758 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,600 Speaker 1: was making, so there are results in criminal charges, but 759 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,480 Speaker 1: they didn't happen, and if they had happened, he could 760 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 1: be in jail instead of shooting up a school. At 761 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,920 Speaker 1: this hour, as we urch for answers, our prayers with 762 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,760 Speaker 1: the victims and their families, as our search for justice 763 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:14,600 Speaker 1: goes on. Michelle Dedmires, Sarah Derby, especially to you, Thank you, Nancy. 764 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,640 Speaker 1: Grace Crumb story seting of Goodbye Friend,