1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 1: I am all In. Let's just you. 2 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: I Am all in with Scott Patterson, an iHeartRadio podcast. 3 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: Hey Everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all In Podcast, one 4 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: of our productions iHeartRadio, I heart Media, iHeart Podcasts. Today 5 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: we are going to do an interview with Adam Hendershott. 6 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: He played a k at the Yale Daily News for 7 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: seven episodes. He is currently a commercial and editorial portrait photographer. 8 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: Was born, raised, and is still based in Los Angeles. 9 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: Adam got into the entertainment industry when he was discovered 10 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: at A Bob's Big Boy six years old. His first 11 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: acting job was playing a young Dudie Howser MD flashback 12 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: episode of the television series. Adam is twenty years of 13 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: experience as a working actor, with roles in Nip Tuck 14 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: for Uncle Mar's Cold Case and Nancy Drew As a photographer. 15 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: Adam's work has been featured in magazines like GQ, Esquire, People, 16 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: and Entertainment Weekly, and has worked at campaigns for movie posters, 17 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: album covers, Oh I Wonder which bands, podcasts and books. 18 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: Jackie Let's bring him in, Adam, how did you get 19 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: your role on Gilmore Girls? Tell us about it? 20 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: Oh boy, I remember I had. It was a it 21 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: was a lengthy auditioning process. It was a unique process too. 22 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: We actually it was my first time going and being 23 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: paired with like a group of people because I had 24 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: my role was in the Yale newsroom. So I remember 25 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: being paired up with a group at the audition and 26 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: they and before I went in, my manager said, hey, man, 27 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: you got to watch Gilmore Girls to make sure you 28 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: understand the tone of this show. And I did, and 29 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: so I was like, okay, I know, I gotta I 30 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: gotta keep my dialogue peppy and poppy. And then when 31 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 2: when I auditioned with the group of people, they wanted 32 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: to make sure that we could like jump on, jump 33 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: in right away as soon as it was our turn 34 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 2: to speak and be a be part of like an ensemble. 35 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: That was it was. 36 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: It was an awesome interview experience. Is definitely unique. 37 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: So you didn't have any problem with the speed or. 38 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 2: I didn't really. It was it was kind of fun 39 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: being part of a group where I you know, as 40 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: soon as as soon it might turn to speak, man, 41 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: I was just man, I was ready to ready to 42 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: jump in. 43 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, good, So you nailed it and then how 44 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: long afterwards did you know you got the offer? Your 45 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: agent call you and say you got it? 46 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: Oh. I think I went to like an initial call 47 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: and then they brought us back for like producers or 48 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: director and then and then as soon as that happened, 49 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: I believe it was either that night or the next 50 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: day that that I got an offer to be on it. 51 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: And were you pretty pumped because were you away of 52 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: the show and you knew, hey, this this is definitely 53 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: a shot in the arm for the career. 54 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 2: Heck, yeah, man, that was back back then. I mean 55 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: it was a lifetime ago. So yeah, I was definitely 56 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,839 Speaker 2: stoked to be on a on a hit shot. Oh man, 57 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: it was I've been acting since I was a little kid, 58 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 2: but you know, and took a little break and then 59 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 2: and then when uh, when it was time to get 60 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 2: back into it, and and I was in my late teens. Uh, 61 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: I was super passionate about acting, and getting on the 62 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: show was definitely uh uh encouraging and uh very cool. 63 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: So you played uh A K A K on the 64 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: Year for the Yale Daily News for seven episodes. It's 65 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: a lot of episodes. Yeah, they just kept calling you 66 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: to come back, or did they give you a seven 67 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: episode deal. They just kept calling. 68 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: They did not they just they just kept calling. It 69 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: was awesome. Yeah. Every time that they needed to go 70 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: back to the the news room and I was in 71 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:55,839 Speaker 2: it and I was in the scripts, they just said, hey, 72 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: you're you're working great. 73 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always good news, always good fun. Yeah. 74 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was always fun being a part of that, 75 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: being part of that group. And then I became kind 76 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: of friends with all the people in the Yale newsroom 77 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: as well. 78 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: So we spoke to Devin already and he's one of 79 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: the writers from Yale Daily News. Were you who were 80 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: you closest to was Devin? You mentioned Devon That was. 81 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: I really liked Devon Man. Everyone was really cool. Danny 82 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: Putty was really cool. Amy Sloan was really cool. I 83 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: would say Rona was the person that I became the 84 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 2: biggest friends with. Rona Benson. Yeah, I became a photographer 85 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: and was a been a photographer for a really long time, 86 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: and I've taken her head shots multiple times. 87 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: Well, there's nothing that says friendship more than allowing somebody 88 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: to take your head shots. What was your favorite part 89 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: of working in that newsroom? 90 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: You know, I love the tone of the show because 91 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: it was just such a challenge that it was just unique, 92 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 2: like a unique acting challenge, so always being like no, 93 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 2: having my lines down and and and knowing uh when 94 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 2: to jump in and you know, actually one of my 95 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: favorite things to be part of that show were the 96 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: different directors. I I liked to see how different directors 97 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 2: on each episode would come in and bring there and 98 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 2: do the choreography of the blocking and the dialogue and 99 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: everything and kind of have to jump in. 100 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: Too. 101 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 2: And like especially Kenny Artega that was that was a 102 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: really cool episode to see him like everything became like 103 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: a dance and and the blocking of choreography with the 104 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: camera and it was it was all really cool to watch. 105 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: But the camaraderie as well was was awesome, you know, 106 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: meeting a bunch of cool people that were that became 107 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 2: friends and and and acting in a on a kind 108 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: of really cool show. 109 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: I was. 110 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: I was happy to happy to participate. 111 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: What a concept. Huh, get paid to go make friends 112 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: and do stuff you like to do. 113 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, after after cleaning pools and doing all kinds 114 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: of other odd jobs. 115 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: So did you prefer when Paris was editor or Rory? 116 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: I mean, what what what was more fun to be 117 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: a part of. 118 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 2: I think it was more stressful when Rory was was 119 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: the editor, and then when Rory it was just a 120 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: bunch more of a supportive environment. You know, it's just 121 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 2: a different there's just a different environment. One was more 122 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: One was definitely a lot more hectic and stressful. Did 123 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: she was a bit of a tyrant? 124 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: Right? Did you get to know Lies a little bit? 125 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 2: Or or alexis a little bit not not more than 126 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 2: off off out of the studio, you know, but all 127 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 2: the all the people that were my friends in the 128 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: newsroom I was, I were friends with them for sure. 129 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: But yeah, like Rory and Wise, I definitely just saw 130 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: when I when I was there filming, and they were 131 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:10,559 Speaker 2: extremely nice. 132 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: Did you guys go across the street to that watering 133 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: hole together and throw a couple back and reminiscent reminisce 134 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: on the day. 135 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: It doesn't sound familiar, but I mean we might have. Yeah, 136 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: I might have just blacked out from throwing a few back. 137 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: What was the name of that What was the name 138 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: of that place that famous? Gosh, it escapes me anyway, 139 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: It says here that you got discovered at Bob's Big 140 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: Boy Hamburger restaurant at six years old. Yeah, what were 141 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: you doing? And what? You must have been the most 142 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: magnetic child. 143 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: I really was, Honestly, I was. I was a very 144 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: cute kid and there was a lot of personality. 145 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: Okay, tell us about that. 146 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: I was with my family, obviously, I was six, and 147 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: I think a manager was sitting at another booth and 148 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: just like started, you know, like making eyes of me 149 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: and like seeing what if I would you know, play 150 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: back or whatever, and then came over to my family 151 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: and said, this kid is too cute and has a 152 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: great person and needs to be in the movies. And 153 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: you know, my family had never thought of anything like 154 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: that before. So they asked me if I wanted to 155 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: do it, and I said, I'm sure, let's try it. 156 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: So they took me to an agent, and the agent 157 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 2: wasn't sure if she wanted to represent me, and so 158 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: she was like, all right, I'll send you out on 159 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 2: an audition. 160 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: What the heck was her problem? What was the agent's problem? 161 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: I think I just had like a lack of focus. 162 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: I just I mean, I wasn't the typical you know 163 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 2: kid actor. That was just I am dying to be 164 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: a star or anything. You're six years old? 165 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: Well you were kind of focused. Did they expect exactly? 166 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: So? Are you? 167 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: Don't cut it? You don't have focus, You're sex You 168 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: need to be focused. What is that eight? Did you 169 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: just say take a look at me, Look at. 170 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 2: Me, look at this. How can you pass on this? 171 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: It got me out of Bob's big boy, you know. 172 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: It got me in the door. 173 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: And then I booked my first audition. So as soon 174 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 2: as I booked that, she was ready with papers to sign. Yeah. Man, 175 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: it was Doogie Howser, Doogey Howser. I played him as 176 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: a six year old in a flashback. 177 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: Oh right, but she wasn't sure whether you can handle 178 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: it because of your focus. But here you are playing 179 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: through the house. Okay. Yeah. 180 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: As soon as I book it, yeah, then she then 181 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: she's all over it. 182 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 183 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: And then I just never stopped working. I was just 184 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: I did a ton of pilots and commercials and little 185 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: little movie parts and bunch of like, uh, you know, 186 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: guest stars and things like that. 187 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: Would you recommend a young children getting involved in this business? 188 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: Did it mess your head up a little bit? Or 189 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: were you at all level headed and could deal with 190 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: it and all. 191 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: That My family was really cool about it. They were 192 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: always like, hey, if you never want if you want 193 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: to stop doing this, let's stop. 194 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: You know. 195 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: They never were never pressuring me. So to me, it 196 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 2: really depends on the family and the kid. If there 197 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 2: are some kids that are just magic and they're born 198 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 2: to do this, so you know they so and they 199 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: want to do it, but then there are something that 200 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: the parents are just like forcing them to be little stars. 201 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 2: So it just really depends. 202 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it all comes down to family. Yeah. 203 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: I never got like, I never got exposed to drugs 204 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 2: and a bunch of bad people or anything like that. 205 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 2: You know. I was always pretty grounded in my family, 206 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: get me as levelheaded as possible. If I ever said 207 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: anything that was like whoa, you're getting a little too 208 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: big for your bridges, they shut it down pretty quickly, 209 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: right right, right. 210 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: So you were born and raised in Los Angeles. 211 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a unicorn. 212 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: And what does that mean? 213 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: That just means everyone in Los Angeles is a transplant. 214 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm actually one of those that's been born 215 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 2: and raised in LA. 216 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha? 217 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: Uh? 218 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: And you started so young? Uh? Did you go to 219 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: school with a lot of other kids that were actors 220 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:16,239 Speaker 1: as well. 221 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: Like, what was the percentage I did? When I got 222 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 2: a little bit older, I went to a high school 223 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: where Romney Malick went to school, and uh and pierced 224 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: the Dunst. So yeah, So at a certain point then 225 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, well, most of the kids that 226 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: were in the industry were either like in the really 227 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: I end schools and never there because they were always filming, 228 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: or they were homeschool right. 229 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: So so that was a school just for sort of 230 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: kids that were working in the industry. 231 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 2: No, no, it was a private Catholic school and they 232 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: just they just happened to be going there. 233 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, so now you're in you're not 234 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: as acting as much, right, that's right, transitioned into a 235 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: successful career as a photographer. Uh, that's so. I'd always interested, you. 236 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 2: You know, it was something that you know, I had 237 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: a little bit of a lull in my twenties when 238 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: I was acting and looking for odd jobs and things. 239 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: And my girlfriend at the time. 240 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 3: Now my wife, was was going to USC and asked 241 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: if I wanted to do a curricular extracurricular class with 242 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 3: her to go to do photo one on one, and 243 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 3: I just took that class with her and said sure, 244 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 3: why not And I ended up loving it and then 245 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 3: was doing photography and acting for a long time, but 246 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 3: then then ultimately made the big jump over to photography. 247 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: So you you've shot some album covers or record covers. 248 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've shot some album covers. I've I've shot the 249 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: key art on on some podcasts and some movies and 250 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: different things. 251 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, who are the bands? 252 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: Who are the bands? I mean one of the guys 253 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 2: I I was Kanye back in two thousand and seven. 254 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: Really, yeah, Kanye, Yeah, Kanye. 255 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 2: I had a mentor at the time, Mino Polouse and 256 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 2: and he uh offered me this job going to Chicago 257 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: to follow Kanye around shooting him while he did a 258 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 2: P S. A and uh and man, that was that 259 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 2: was an experience for sure. 260 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: You know, there's a there's a rumor going around that 261 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: if you win an award around Kanye, he's gonna take 262 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: it away from you. Oh for sure. Yeah, you gotta 263 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: be you gotta be careful of that. 264 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like you got to pay your dues 265 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 2: and and hope hopefully that happens. That's probably good luck 266 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: with that. 267 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: You you better you better be careful that Beyonce is 268 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 1: not in the same category or else you're getting charged. 269 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 2: Sure, but she should have won that for sure. 270 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,359 Speaker 1: I'm having a little Kanye paranoia. Not that I'm nominated 271 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: for anything, but if I ever was, I'd be, Oh yeah, 272 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: i'd be I'd make sure what to watch my six man? 273 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: Uh uh so so a lot of what you learned, 274 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: uh in photography? Did being on set help or inform 275 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: your your photograph photographic vision? 276 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean it really just made me not really 277 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 2: starstruck so much when I would shoot with celebrities. No, 278 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 2: it was like, like, yes, these people are people too, 279 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: So if. 280 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: You weren't getting what you wanted at him, you just 281 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: smack them around, That's right. 282 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: Hey yeah, come on, I mean. 283 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: Ramedy Malick trying to give you attitude because it was 284 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: in a Bond film. You just smack them. That's how 285 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: you throw a wet chicken at them or something. It's like, 286 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: will you do what I tell you to do? 287 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: That? 288 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: See this is anyway? 289 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: Give me a queen bark? 290 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: Come on? What about what about? Uh? What about Kanye? 291 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: Have you ever shot Kanye? 292 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: Uh? Like, I mean I did. I went to Chicago 293 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 2: to shoot with him. And and followed him around for 294 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: a whole weekend. Well, he did a PSA to a concert. 295 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: But did you do his portrait? 296 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: I mean yes, and no. I didn't direct him at all. 297 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: I just was was hired to be there to follow 298 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: around for as much coverage as possible for the whole weekend. 299 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 2: So I kind of stayed a fly on the wall 300 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 2: as much as I could. 301 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: All right, So if you ever, if that ever happens again, 302 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: if you cause you again. Yeah, and he says, I 303 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: want you follow me around. I want you to shoot 304 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: a portrait, hand him a golden statue and say this 305 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: was meant force beyond. It wasn't meant for Beyonce, but 306 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: I want somebody else want it. 307 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 2: YEA, hold it? Okay, Clinton, Now I'm gonna take your picture. 308 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: Right he just might have an episode right while I'm 309 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: taking his picture? 310 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: Why not? So this is your this is your true 311 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: passion or is it both? You can have two passions. 312 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 2: I was passionate about acting for law long time, and 313 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: I and then when I found photography, it was like, okay, 314 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: people are like hiring me for photo shoots. And it 315 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: was like, okay, here's some money for to do a 316 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: photo shoot, and with acting, it's like you got an 317 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: audition to make some money, so you might get it, 318 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 2: you might not. But if you've got this photo shoot 319 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 2: and you've got to you know, and then you get 320 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: an audition. When you're an actor, you have to stop 321 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 2: everything you're doing in order to focus right on this audition. 322 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: So I was like, man, I remember the last audition 323 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 2: I went to. It was just you know, the I'm 324 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 2: on the four five and I went to like a 325 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: cattle call commercial audition in Santa Monica at like three 326 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: o'clock on a Friday or something, and I just had 327 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: the worst audition and I had to reschedule a bunch 328 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: of guaranteed money for photography in order to do it. 329 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: And then I get back in my car and I'm like, 330 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: just what am I doing? Why am I? Why am 331 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 2: I sacrificing. 332 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: This five hours to get home? Yeah, it's four o'clock 333 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: on the four would be for self tapes. I don't know. 334 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if I like the self 335 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: tapes so much. 336 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: There's pros and cons for sure, definitely. You know, there's 337 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 2: an energy getting in the room and talking to people. 338 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, there's psychology, you can work with psychology. 339 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: I miss and I've also got one buddy that is 340 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 2: on a show now. But you know, when they do 341 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: their tapes, they get as many takes as they want 342 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 2: to get it perfect, and then they send that perfect take, 343 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: you know, and then when you go and actually shoot 344 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 2: the show, yeah, one maybe two takes to get it right, 345 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: you know. So it's just a it's just a different vibe. 346 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: So kind of if you yell and scream, you can 347 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: get more takes, that's true. 348 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, big enough, you can. You can get away with it. 349 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: So let's talk about some of these big times lebs. 350 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: You work with them? Or Roberts, Angela Kinsey, who's that? 351 00:17:59,200 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: Who's Angela? 352 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 2: Can he's Angela from the Office? Oh yeah, the the 353 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 2: blonde lady who marries Dwight at the end. 354 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I never I never really watched the show. 355 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 2: It's such a good show. 356 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: No, I know, I've seen clips. I've never that's fun y. 357 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: I'vehot I've shot to shoot a few people from that 358 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: show because I'm friends with their publicist, and the publicist 359 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: asked if I would, you know, take some pictures of them. 360 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: But then when they started their own podcast, rewatching the 361 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 2: Office shows then they said, hey, come and shoot the 362 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 2: cover art for this. So it's called Office Ladies. It's 363 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: a really good podcast as well that I shot at 364 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: the cover art part. 365 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: Do you charge a lot of money? Are you expensive? 366 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 2: So much money? 367 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: How much? 368 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 2: So much money? 369 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: What do you charge? Tell me what do you charge? 370 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: It's different, honestly. I work with budgets. You know, you 371 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: put in bids ten thousand and shot that's on a 372 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 2: bad day, one hundred thousands like this. 373 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: Like so you're like Andy Leebowitz the West Coast. You're 374 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: like a female, Oh, I wish what is she? What 375 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: is she taking down per session? What do you think 376 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: she's taking? 377 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? She's what's undred hundreds of thousands 378 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 2: of dollars a shoot? For sure? At least at least 379 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: the budgets are that big for her shoot? 380 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,479 Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, she's taking She's takken down some big scores, 381 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: isn't she? 382 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 2: And then she's like and then there's licensing, So if 383 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: she's shooting someone and then they want to use those 384 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 2: photos for you know, for me or for all kinds 385 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 2: of things, she's just getting paid just for the shoot itself. 386 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, beautiful. 387 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: It's like residuals for actors. It's just that's it's that's 388 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: where the photographers really make their dusk real. 389 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: The cake is man. So, who's been your favorite to shoot? Though? 390 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: Of these famous. 391 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 2: Celebrity man my favorite to shoot? 392 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you who's who's been your favorite 393 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: and who was a nightmare? I want to know who 394 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: was a nightmare? 395 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 2: Kanye. Kanye was definitely a prima donna. I mean, he 396 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 2: was like that's shocking. Yeah, I remember going to Chicago, 397 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 2: and I mean, but he's a genius as well as like, 398 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: at the same time, you just kind of give him 399 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 2: the grace. 400 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: Why is he a genius? Why is this term music 401 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: around so much? That he's a genius. 402 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 2: With music and producing and uh, you. 403 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: Know when a lot of people do that, do that. 404 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 2: It's true. I know there's uh I think there's an 405 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,479 Speaker 2: old documentary called Genius that is about him being him 406 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: being a genius for with music, but with producing and 407 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: just his ear and his lyrics and all kinds of stuff. 408 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 2: I think he's just got a very innovative and revolutionary 409 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: as far as the as far as music is concerned, 410 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 2: I'm not I'm no expert. 411 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: In that I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna dig into 412 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: this a little bit. I'm gonna check this out. 413 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: Wait. So in Chicago, I remember he gave a concert 414 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 2: and and then there was like one little thing. It 415 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: sounded perfect to me, And there was like one little thing, 416 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 2: and he's doing it for like all these these underprivileged 417 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 2: youths in Chicago. 418 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: Oh that's nice. 419 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 2: There was one thing that didn't set that sounded off, 420 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 2: and he stopped the concert. Boy. Oh and and for 421 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 2: like a half an hour, forty five minutes or so, 422 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: he made sure that everything sounded fine and just let 423 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 2: these let everybody wait. Well, he just wanted to get 424 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 2: this one little thing. 425 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: Right, because that's what geniuses do. 426 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 2: I guess they don't settle. They don't settle for mediocrity. 427 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: And then he gets up there and he takes somebody's 428 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: award away. That's what geniuses do. Yeah, I don't know 429 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: his music that well, I'm gonna check it out, uh, 430 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: and I'll get back to you on the So, who 431 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: was in so other than him? Who was a nightmare 432 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: websitemare I want to know about jennif Fisher? Was she 433 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: and she was such a nightmare? She was a nightmare, 434 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: wasn't she. 435 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 2: She's the world? 436 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, she's so nice all smiles, yes the whole time. 437 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, even I'm sure even if she was having a 438 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 2: bad time you you wouldn't know, and she would be. 439 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 2: She's just so pleasant. 440 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: What about Emma Roberts, dude. 441 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: Emma Roberts was super cool. I shot her a few 442 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 2: times because she and I had the same manager. So 443 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: I shot her for her in a like a Diane 444 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 2: von first and bird dress. And then she uh recommended 445 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: me to be a photographer for this, like for this 446 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 2: jewelry company that was that was working with her to 447 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 2: that that where she was like starting to design jewelry. 448 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 2: And so, man, I owe a good amount of money 449 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 2: and time and experience to shooting with her. Man, she was, 450 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 2: she was fantastic. 451 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: But so who who? Just you just stop the shoot 452 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: to get out of my studio. I don't want to shoot. 453 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: Let me look, give me, give me a name. 454 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 2: Give you a name of somebody that was terrible. 455 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: Millions of people listening to this podcast, millions, I want 456 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: a name. 457 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 2: You want me to drop? And still the gossip about somebody. 458 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: I quit. I'm logging off right now, do. 459 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: Uh that's Angela Kenzie cool? Was she? Was she cool? 460 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: Angela Kenzie was very cool? Yeah, yeah, I still I've 461 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 2: shot her on multiple occasions and have a have a 462 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: good time shooting her. 463 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: Who's so? Who are your influences? Tell us who your 464 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: photographic heroes are? For? 465 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 2: Photographed so many? Oh many? I mean Annie is definitely. 466 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 1: Give me, give me one, Give me one, give meat. 467 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 2: Ye. 468 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: I like him. He creates that world, doesn't he? But 469 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: but he lived that world, didn't he. It's not like 470 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: he was this church going guy who had a family 471 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: and he'd go home, but then he had these fantasies 472 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: and he'd go and he'd act out all brought to life. 473 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: But he lived that life, didn't He didn't he live 474 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: that life? 475 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know too much about his personal life, 476 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 2: but I mean, if it's anything like his photos, I 477 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 2: mean it's pretty. It's pretty cool and voyeuristic and kinky. 478 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: So you're doing the photography full time, you're charging tens 479 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars per photogs. 480 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 2: That's just so much money. 481 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: You're getting stupid rich. You're getting stupid rich. 482 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 2: No, man, I assist other photographers. Man, I shoot photography 483 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: is a journey man. So I, yes, I shoot celebrities 484 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 2: every once in a while, but you know, you shoot 485 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff, and it's different from from day 486 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 2: to day. You know, there was a one day I 487 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 2: was shooting like a marijuana facility, and then the next 488 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 2: then the next day you're shooting kids fashion, and then 489 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 2: there's you know, just wherever the wherever the jobs are 490 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 2: coming and people are and refer to you. It's it's 491 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 2: it's always kind of in a new adventure. 492 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: Did Kanye stop by the the dispensary was? Did he 493 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: did you see? Yeah? 494 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 2: Right, I'm sure. I'm sure he partakes. 495 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: He's so cool. We're gonna do a a little game 496 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 1: we play called rapid Fire. Oh okay, and you can go. 497 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: You don't have to go rapidly. This is there's nothing 498 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: rapid about it. 499 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 2: So I can think about my answers and then. 500 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: No, you cannot think. You're not allowed to think, all right, 501 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: no thinking normally. I see that you are a thinking person, 502 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: and this is an ethema to what we're doing here. 503 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: All right, Okay, I just need answers, buddy, Okay, I 504 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: want them straight, and I want him fast, but not rapid. Okay, 505 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: here we go. How do you like your coffee? 506 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 2: Uh, it's to cream, a little bit of sugar. 507 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: I saw your thinking. 508 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 2: Oh, sorry about that. 509 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't do that. 510 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: All right? 511 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: Are you team Logan Team Jess or Team Dean Team Jess? 512 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: Oh? 513 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: I see you thinking. I can see your brain. You 514 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,479 Speaker 1: know what. You're one of these high i Q people 515 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: who just can't turn it off. I understand. 516 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 2: I've never been accused of that. 517 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: No, this was the first time. Who is your favorite 518 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: Gilmour Girls couple? Luke and Laurel are Emily and Richard? 519 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 2: Oh, Luke and Lauray? 520 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 1: Hell? Yeah, brother? Uh? Would you rather work with Michelle 521 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: or Kirk Michelle? Why? 522 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 2: Honestly, I have no idea. I didn't think about it. 523 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: I just said it now. You're all who would you 524 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: like to shoot? Whose portrait would you like to shoot? 525 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: On the show? Who you? 526 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 2: Well? Alexis I would love to shoot her. 527 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, she's interesting, isn't she? 528 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? Or you let's shoot He's He's. 529 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: Very interesting, isn't he? 530 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 2: Uh? 531 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: Maybe the two of us together? Yes? All right? Yes? 532 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: What would you do? What? What would you order it? 533 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: Lukes diner? 534 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 2: Oh? I don't know what's available. 535 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 1: Luke's diner. 536 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 2: You got pie there, I'll have some pie. I don't 537 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 2: know what. 538 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, could you shoot the pie? 539 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 2: I mean I've done food photography. That's a very specific 540 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: niche for sure. 541 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: Right. Who would you rather hang out with Paris or 542 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: Lane Kim Paris? Why? 543 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 2: Just because I know her? 544 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, Harvard Yale? Or would you drop out? And 545 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: oh yeah yeah? Why Yale? 546 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 2: Why Yale? That was fast? 547 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: I mean that was screw Harvard Yale? 548 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 2: Why was it the Yale newser. 549 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: That makes sense? Makes sense? I like that you live 550 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: in the dream. Uh. Would you rather attend a d 551 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: A R event with Emily or a town meeting with Taylor? 552 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I don't even know what the I'll just 553 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 2: have to That's an any meaning mind situation I have. 554 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: That's not an answer. We can't accept that, Taylor. Okay, 555 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: thank you? Okay, give them more girls character you would 556 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: most want as a roommate. 557 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 2: I would most want as a roommate anyone from the 558 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 2: Yale newsroom because they were all super cool people. 559 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, how about all of them? Yes, like 560 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: in a house. 561 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 2: It would be a good time. When they asked me 562 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 2: to do this, I said, let's all get on this. 563 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 2: Can we just have like a group where we all 564 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: join in on this, that would be awesome. 565 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: Get a house in Pacoima or someplace like that and 566 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 1: you all be together. 567 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we'll join you for the pod for 568 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 2: another episode of the podcast. 569 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: Yes, the Pocoima Daily News. You could have your own thing. 570 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: You could be the other I think Pacoima is where 571 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 2: I shot the weeks. 572 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: That's shocking something in your life you are all in 573 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,239 Speaker 1: on and I think we know what that is. 574 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 2: What Yeah, and being a fan, being a family man 575 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 2: and my and with my wife and family, and. 576 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: You have you have two kids. 577 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 2: I do? How old I do? Ava is about to 578 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: turn nine and uh Cole just turned four. 579 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: Ah, so great nine, such a great age. My boy 580 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: is nine. We're having so much fun. 581 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 2: Ah. Yeah, she's the best man. Yeah, he's very cool too. 582 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 2: It's just you. He just loves mama right now, and 583 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 2: it's all about mama. 584 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: He's gonna look, he's gonna discover you give it a 585 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: couple of years. 586 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what happened with Ava. That's what happened with 587 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 2: Deva for sure. Right, he'll to his mama's girl. And 588 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 2: then now we're now we just have so much fun together. 589 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's just such a joy having a family. 590 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: I mean really great. Well, I'm happy for you. 591 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 2: Man. 592 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: You got a nice career going. You're charging tens of 593 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: thousands of dollars? 594 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 2: Do you have? 595 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: I just I just have the one attack to me 596 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: if it's any less than that. Yeah, but yeah, things 597 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: are going good. Man. You're you know, Kanye stocking you 598 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: now and you know you don't have time. You just 599 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: don't have time for that. 600 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 2: That's right. How are you doing? How many kids do 601 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:14,239 Speaker 2: you have? 602 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: I have one? 603 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 2: I just have one kid. Okay, cool? Yeah that was 604 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 2: me too. I was an only child. 605 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think we'll probably I think we're 606 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: talking about number two. 607 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 2: Really, that's like after a nine years old, that's starting 608 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 2: over again. 609 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: It start, but it does have its upside in that, 610 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, my son can help out. 611 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 2: That's cool. Yeah. We my my son and daughter are 612 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 2: five years apart, and if you you know, she she 613 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 2: definitely helps take care of him a little bit. You know, 614 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 2: she's very very nurturing little girl. Yeah, but yeah, after 615 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 2: we were done with diapers with her, then it became 616 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 2: diapers with the new one. 617 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I know, it's like six years in 618 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: a row of diapers. Yep, it's a lot of divers. 619 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: So much poop. That's a lot of poop. Well, this 620 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: was fun. You're a pretty guy. 621 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 2: Thanks man, this is fun to do. I'm glad they 622 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 2: asked me. 623 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, you're welcome back anytime. And uh, good 624 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: luck with everything, you know, good luck with the photography and. 625 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna hit you up to take your portrait. 626 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: I don't have that kind of money. 627 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 2: Okay, well then forget it. 628 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: Forget it, man, tens of thousands in charge. It's too 629 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: much money. It's like, you know, for. 630 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 2: The big companies, for the big companies. 631 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: Are you you're working out of California? Are you all 632 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: those taxes? Yeah? 633 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 2: Wow, so many taxes. Oh my goodness. 634 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: That's why you got to charge to tens of thousands, 635 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: because you left with about five hundred bucks at the 636 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: end of the day, right after every shoot. 637 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 2: That's true, So true, end up with true yeah, after 638 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 2: the assistant right, Yeah. 639 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: You charge fifty thousand a shoot, you end up with 640 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: about forty dollars. Yeah. 641 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 2: I can buy myself a cup of coffee and then 642 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 2: at Starbucks for forty bucks. 643 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, almost enough money to buy a dinner for the 644 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: family of Trader. 645 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 2: Joe's almost right, almost almost, that's right, all. 646 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: Right, man, would be good. Peace be with you, brother. 647 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 2: It is great talking to you. 648 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: Great talking. 649 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 650 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: I wish you all the best best your family. Thanks 651 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: and stay safe brother, okay cool, can't wait here, Take 652 00:32:34,880 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: care man, alright, bye, all right, bye, Hey everybody, and 653 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: don't forget. Follow us on Instagram at I Am all 654 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: In podcast and email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.